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Title: LED Replacements for 100-Watt Light Bulbs Hit Stores
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URL Source: http://techland.time.com/2012/11/13 ... ulbs-hit-stores/?iid=obnetwork
Published: Nov 13, 2012
Author: Peter Svensson
Post Date: 2012-11-28 19:45:05 by scrapper2
Keywords: LED light bulbs, 100 watt bulbs gone 01/2013
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Comments: 37
NEW YORK (AP) — Sorry to see 100-watt bulbs disappear from stores because they were energy hogs? You can now get LED bulbs that roughly match the 100-watters for size and brightness, but use far less energy. Until recently, your only alternative was a compact fluorescent bulb, which has several drawbacks compared with light-emitting diodes. Most people see the light quality as less pleasing, and the bulbs contain a small amount of mercury that’s released if the glass breaks. LEDs, by contrast, don’t contain any volatile, hazardous substances and are durable. They also last longer. Osram Sylvania, a division of Germany’s Siemens AG, said Monday that it’s shipping the first batches of its Ultra LED bulb to some Lowe’s stores. The bulb uses 20 watts of electricity and costs $50. It’s slightly larger than a regular 100-watt bulb, so it may not fit in all fixtures. Osram claims 25,000 hours of use, or more than 20 times the lifespan of a standard, incandescent bulb. Competitors aren’t far behind. Royal Philips Electronics NV plans to start selling its own, slightly brighter 100-watt-equivalent LED bulb at Home Depot’s website starting in a few weeks for about $55. Startup Switch Lighting Bulb Co., with its unusual liquid-filled bulbs, plans to start selling 100-watt equivalents late this year or in January. The federal government banned the manufacture of regular 100-watt bulbs on Jan. 1 as a consequence of new energy-efficiency standards. Much the way it forces car manufacturers to improve fuel efficiency, the government is forcing the lighting industry to move away from incandescent bulbs because they convert relatively little of the electrical input into light. Most of the energy is dissipated as heat. In the next step, 75-watt bulbs will be banned at the start of next year, and 60-watt and 40-watt bulbs at the start of 2014. Compact fluorescent bulbs that produce light equivalent to 100-watt bulbs have been available for a few years and cost as little as $4 each. LEDs are small chips that produce light when current passes through them. In their red and green incarnations, they’ve been around for decades. Technical breakthroughs in the 90s allowed the manufacture of chips that produce white light. LED bulbs equivalent to 60-watt bulbs have been available for a few years and now cost around $25 each. The problem with making brighter models is that while LEDs produce less heat than regular bulbs, the heat they do create shortens the lifespan and reduces the efficiency of the chips. Cramming a dozen chips together in a tight bulb-shaped package that fits in today’s lamps and sockets makes the heat problem worse, and the brighter the bulb, the more heat is produced. LED bulbs have large, finned metal collars to radiate the heat.
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#1. To: scrapper2 (#0)
I'm looking forward to the return of lamps that burn whale oil. You know, the kind that Abraham Lincoln used to educate himself in his Kentucky cabin. Wouldn't that be quaint AND patriotic?? :) Most of the energy is dissipated as heat. In the next step, 75-watt bulbs will be banned at the start of next year, and 60-watt and 40-watt bulbs at the start of 2014.
-Alex Kurtagic
#2. To: scrapper2, X-15 (#0)
This is why they had to have the government do away with incandescent bulbs. They needed to force the public to buy up the surplus of florescent bulbs before the LEDs came out. NEW YORK (AP) — Sorry to see 100-watt bulbs disappear from stores because they were energy hogs? You can now get LED bulbs that roughly match the 100-watters for size and brightness, but use far less energy.
Does anyone honestly believe that the global elites whose wealth and power depend on manipulation of the global chess board would leave something like the Presidency up to chance?
#3. To: scrapper2 (#0)
order sylvania medium-base halogen here -
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
#4. To: farmfriend (#2) (Edited)
I've got one in my den lamp, it lasts longer than the old-fashioned bulbs. I did buy some outdoor LED lights for Christmas, according to the box they burn less than $2 of electricity over a 60-day Christmas season, based on a rate of .12/kwh florescent bulbs
-Alex Kurtagic
#5. To: X-15 (#4)
Yes, I've had LED Christmas lights for the past 3 years - they still work fine and they are easy on my electric bill but for some reason the colors are a bit off - not true green and red - more like orangey red and blueish green. I'm debating about changing out my low voltage landscape lighting to LED fixtures - they cost an arm and a leg to purchase so I don't know if the energy savings justifies the upfront investment cost for the LED fixtures and bulbs. Not to mention the corrosive effect of sprinklers - are LED fixtures better made and less likely to fail due to watering? I did buy some outdoor LED lights for Christmas, according to the box they burn less than $2 of electricity over a 60-day Christmas season, based on a rate of .12/kwh
#6. To: scrapper2 (#5) (Edited)
Bot a Westinghouse 12 v set 4 years ago, cheap, from Sportsmans guide.com. The best - great light all night not one problem. Wish I had bot two. This is what all outside home lighting need to be. The solar powered yard lites are junk, AFAICT. Not to mention the corrosive effect of sprinklers - are LED fixtures better made and less likely to fail due to watering?
"Satan / Cheney in "08" 
#7. To: scrapper2 (#5)
I have no first-hand experience with LED's, I'm assuming that if they're marketed for outdoor use that they'll be OK. Check w/Lowe's or Home Depot, they've got a bunch of LED's for every application. are LED fixtures better made and less likely to fail due to watering?
-Alex Kurtagic
#8. To: scrapper2, X-14, 4 (#5)
I'm going to look for an LED menorah to put in the window to get rid of all the delusional Christians out there. Good plan?
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
#9. To: Lod (#8)
The Devil's Pitchfork!!! ...LED menorah...
-Alex Kurtagic
#10. To: X-15, Lod (#9)
The Devil's Energy Star rated Pitchfork!!! Oy! The Devil's Pitchfork!!!
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
#11. To: scrapper2 (#0)
LED is the way to go. They put out very good light, and use a fraction of the power of other lights. I just bought a small office light at Staples which uses a series of small LEDs, and I prefer it to the incandescent light that used to burn out after a month or so. The old light fixture probably had issues, but the new LED fixture puts out more light at less cost. It was only 30 something bucks as well.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#12. To: scrapper2 (#0)
Sam's Club carries a 6-pack of 26 Watt [100W equiv.], 1,700 lumens [light output], soft white CFL bulbs for about $9 [$1.50ea.]. These are a very good bulb with a long life. For the most part, CFL bulbs are the most efficient bulbs available on a lumens per Watt basis, and far more cost effective than LEDs right now for general lighting purposes. There are some speciality [flood, accent, etc.] LED bulbs out there that are very good, but there's a lot of really bad ones out there too. If you're going to be spending $25-$60 for a light bulb, save the packaging and receipts for warranty purposes. I use a black Sharpie marker to mark the bulbs with the in-service date to monitor lifespan. Colored markers fade out over time. I've got about 20 years experience in energy management and low energy lighting. I'm constantly being challenged now. My mother is losing her eyesight due to diabetes mellitus. I spend a lot of time & money researching and testing lighting. LEDs for general lighting are coming along, but we're still probably a couple of years away yet. Compact fluorescent bulbs that produce light equivalent to 100-watt bulbs have been available for a few years and cost as little as $4 each.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
#13. To: Esso (#12)
Thanks for that info!
#14. To: Esso (#12)
CFLs contain Mercury POISON and are a part of the NWO depopulation program. Right in there with Aspartame, GMO frankenfood, Depleted Uranium, Floride, Chemtrails and FEMA camps.
Ezekiel 13:20
Wherefore thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I am against your pillows, wherewith ye there hunt the souls to make them fly, and I will tear them from your arms, and will let the souls go, even the souls that ye hunt to make them fly.
#15. To: scrapper2 (#13)
One thing to watch on bulbs is the color temperature. 2700 Kelvin (warm white) is the color of most incandescent bulbs. 3000K (soft white) is pretty good too. 4000-6500K you get into the colors referred to as bright white, daylight and cool white. It starts getting bluer which I find glarey and objectionable especially inside.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
#16. To: Coral Snake (#14)
So don't eat them then. CFL bulbs have a minute amount of mercury in them compared to the big tubular flourescent bulbs in every F40 shop light and the lights in every store in this country. Further, using incandescent bulbs which consume 4 times the power as a CFL, cause 4 times the atmospheric mercury emissions from coal-fired power plants. Coal-fired powerplants also emit massive amounts of radiation into the air directly proportional to the amount of power generated. Lower power equals lower emissions. One mercury amalgum filling in a tooth contains as much mercury as a whole truckload of CFL bulbs. The mercury in a CFL bulb is sealed in a glass tube not unlike the mercury in an oral or rectal thermometer. Don't break the glass. CFLs contain Mercury POISON
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
#17. To: Coral Snake (#14) (Edited)
You forgot the most insideous chemical of the bunch, high fructose corn syrup. HFCS has been proven to cause metabolic syndrome X (obesity), diabetes mellitus and arterial inflammation leading to coronary artery disease, heart attacks, death. Uhmerkkins willingly gulp down around a hundred pound of it per person, per year. As if the narcotic gliadin in the GMO wheat wasn't bad enough. ...Aspartame, GMO frankenfood, Depleted Uranium, Floride, Chemtrails and FEMA camps.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
#18. To: Esso, X-15 (#17)
You forgot the most insideous chemical of the bunch, high fructose corn syrup.s if the narcotic gliadin in the GMO wheat wasn't bad enough. Esso, you're on a roll tonight! You and X-15, with your wry humor, never fail to crack me up. So don't eat them then. (re: CFLs contain Mercury POISON )
#19. To: Esso (#12)
Sam's Club carries a 6-pack of 26 Watt [100W equiv.], 1,700 lumens [light output], soft white CFL bulbs for about $9 [$1.50ea.]. These are a very good bulb with a long life. For the most part, CFL bulbs are the most efficient bulbs available on a lumens per Watt basis, and far more cost effective than LEDs right now for general lighting purposes. There are some speciality [flood, accent, etc.] LED bulbs out there that are very good, but there's a lot of really bad ones out there too. If you're going to be spending $25-$60 for a light bulb, save the packaging and receipts for warranty purposes. I use a black Sharpie marker to mark the bulbs with the in-service date to monitor lifespan. Colored markers fade out over time. I've got about 20 years experience in energy management and low energy lighting. I'm constantly being challenged now. My mother is losing her eyesight due to diabetes mellitus. I spend a lot of time & money researching and testing lighting. LEDs for general lighting are coming along, but we're still probably a couple of years away yet. Very good post. We should wait until the LED lamps and matching fixtures catch up with the soon to be created vacuum. Lamps in different configs including fiber optics that reflect the LED output into useful patterns, shapes and colors will replace our old lamps, jammed with ill fitting replacement CFLS, Edison-shaped LEDs or other unsatisfactory attempts to replace incandescent lights. Compact fluorescent bulbs that produce light equivalent to 100-watt bulbs have been available for a few years and cost as little as $4 each.
#20. To: HOUNDDAWG (#19)
Lamps in different configs including fiber optics that reflect the LED output into useful patterns, shapes and colors will replace our old lamps, jammed with ill fitting replacement CFLS, Edison-shaped LEDs or other unsatisfactory attempts to replace incandescent lights. Right now the LED bulbs are still pretty directional. I put together some PIR security light fixtures with some really nice 20W 3000K 40 degree beam angle 1050 lumen GE PAR38 LED bulbs. It's a really hot set up, but the bulbs retail at $60 each which is going to be out of most people's budget. I initally tried some 24W 1200 lumen CFL PAR38 bulbs, but they had about a 3 minute warm up time at about 40 degrees outside temp. I haven't tried any of the A19 shape bulbs yet, they're way too expensive and the lumens/Watt isn't as good as the CFLs yet. I've still got a first generation (pre-twisty) flourescent in service in the attic at shop 1. It's a screw in ballast with plastic brackets that hold an old-timey circline bulb. I had a couple of gen1 CFL twisties that went over 60,000 hours before crapping out. I was at the bulb shop today looking for a certain bulb for my mother's house and was thinking how frustrating figuring out what bulbs to use must be for laymen. I know this stuff pretty well and it's still tough sometimes, especially with everything changing week to week. We should wait until the LED lamps and matching fixtures catch up with the soon to be created vacuum.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
#21. To: Esso (#20)
I haven't tried any of the A19 shape bulbs yet, they're way too expensive and the lumens/Watt isn't as good as the CFLs yet. I've still got a first generation (pre-twisty) flourescent in service in the attic at shop 1. It's a screw in ballast with plastic brackets that hold an old-timey circline bulb. I had a couple of gen1 CFL twisties that went over 60,000 hours before crapping out. I was at the bulb shop today looking for a certain bulb for my mother's house and was thinking how frustrating figuring out what bulbs to use must be for laymen. I know this stuff pretty well and it's still tough sometimes, especially with everything changing week to week. Great post. Keep us up to speed on this, will you please? Right now the LED bulbs are still pretty directional. I put together some PIR security light fixtures with some really nice 20W 3000K 40 degree beam angle 1050 lumen GE PAR38 LED bulbs. It's a really hot set up, but the bulbs retail at $60 each which is going to be out of most people's budget. I initally tried some 24W 1200 lumen CFL PAR38 bulbs, but they had about a 3 minute warm up time at about 40 degrees outside temp.
#22. To: HOUNDDAWG (#21) (Edited)
Heres a quickie lowdown on residential energy/utility conservation: Lighting: Best - CFLs, LEDs, HE halogens (in that order). Avoid - Std. incandescent. Water heat: Best - Electric heat pump, well insulated electric with a tempering tank, HE gas unit (in that order). Avoid - Std. gas. Showerhead: Best - Bricor B100 1.0 gpm www.bricor.com, other heads up to 1.5 gpm max www.efi.org/store. Avoid - 2.5 gpm units. Heat: Best - Vent free gas fireplace/logs 99.9% eff. Gravity heat is wonderful. A/C: Get the best EER/SEER rating you can afford. Attic: Best - Radiant barrier foil, radiant barrier paint, thermostatic power venting. Washer: HE front load. Avoid - Top loaders. Front loaders really clean well and are easy on your clothes. Appliances: Look for Energy Star rated units. Toilets: I've had really good luck with American Standard Champion 4s 1.6 gpf (4 inch flush valve). Consumer Reports does good testing of toilets. Taller ADA compliant units are a lot nicer than the standard short fixtures. Upfront costs are higher, but most of these suggestions will more than pay for themselves over time. Keep us up to speed on this, will you please?
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
#23. To: scrapper2 (#0)
In my experience with LED bulbs, mostly in motor controller indicator lights, I have found that they tend to lose their brilliance over time.......
Politics is the conspiracy of the unproductive but organized against the productive but unorganized. Joseph Sobran
#24. To: Esso (#12)
Hey Ess, follow me here. I get the 100 and 75/60 watt incandesent ban, but aren't there a lot of applications where a 40 watt incan make far more sense than CFL, a closet lite ex, on for 90 seconds twice a week, and the like "intermittant" usage? CFL's life is wrecked by short term use and LEDS are just too expensive. Like you, I do see great things on the horizon for LEDS a few years out. If they can be adopted widely, maybe a few nuclear plants can be retired for very good. I've got about 20 years experience in energy management and low energy lighting.
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
#25. To: Esso (#16)
Further, using incandescent bulbs which consume 4 times the power as a CFL, cause 4 times the atmospheric mercury emissions from coal-fired power plants. Coal-fired powerplants also emit massive amounts of radiation into the air directly proportional to the amount of power generated. Lower power equals lower emissions. One mercury amalgum filling in a tooth contains as much mercury as a whole truckload of CFL bulbs. The mercury in a CFL bulb is sealed in a glass tube not unlike the mercury in an oral or rectal thermometer. Don't break the glass. WOW - Thanks Esso, love it. Anything nasty in LED's - just if you happen to know, or if it is even considered an issue. I have been dumping all my CFLs and Ni Cd batteries at Lowes, and encourage all to do the same. I love LED headlamps and am a sucker for them. So don't eat them then. CFL bulbs have a minute amount of mercury in them compared to the big tubular flourescent bulbs in every F40 shop light and the lights in every store in this country.
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
#26. To: Esso (#17)
But Esso you forgot to mention it is cheaper than cane sugar and allowed food companies to increase their margins and pay the executives millions while poisoning hapless consumers. But other than that its OK stuff. You forgot the most insideous chemical of the bunch, high fructose corn syrup.
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
#27. To: HOUNDDAWG (#19)
HOUNDDAWG posted on 2012-11-29 1:59:45 ET Reply Trace Private Reply Gotcha - the fixtures are a changing - seems the heat load needs of LEDs demand a profound change in the old style (current) fixtures. Something will shake out in a few years. Maybe Esso already knows what the new standard is. Lamps in different configs including fiber optics that reflect the LED output into useful patterns, shapes and colors will replace our old lamps, jammed with ill fitting replacement CFLS, Edison-shaped LEDs or other unsatisfactory attempts to replace incandescent lights.
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
#28. To: tom007 (#24)
Not in my opinion. The only incandescent bulbs in my house are the appliance bulb in my oven and the bulb in my microwave. Sam's Club has a nice little GE 2.5 Watt LED in the standard A19 bulb shape, but smaller, probably about the size of a 25W incan. I've had really good luck with those in about every application. They're probably about as bright as a 15- 25W bulb and a good soft white color. I'm using them in my garage door openers, some accent lighting in the house, refrigerator, one outdoor fixture and range hood. That's not been my experience, but for really short duration, like a refrigerator, LEDs are best. CFLs don't like vibration. When I tried them in the overhead door operator in the shop, it ate them double-quick, less than a week, IIRC. but aren't there a lot of applications where a 40 watt incan make far more sense than CFL, a closet lite ex, on for 90 seconds twice a week, and the like "intermittant" usage?
CFL's life is wrecked by short term use...
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
#29. To: scrapper2, 4 (#0)
I was a step ahead of the SOBs. I bought two cases at Amazon a few months ago and I'll be bathed in the glow of 100 watt light for the next 30 years, or upon my death, which ever comes first. Sorry to see 100-watt bulbs disappear from stores because they were energy hogs? You can now get LED bulbs that roughly match the 100-watters for size and brightness, but use far less energy.
#30. To: Esso (#22)
thanks E
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
#31. To: tom007 (#25)
LEDs are no more dangerous than any other electronic doo-dad. Don't eat them though. Anything nasty in LED's - just if you happen to know, or if it is even considered an issue.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
#32. To: Esso (#31)
You never let me have fun. Don't eat them though.
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
#33. To: Jethro Tull (#29)
Goddamn JT! The electric company oughtta be supplying you with free BJs. There used to be a program here where the power co. would give people free incan bulbs. I don't know if that's still around or not. All seriousness aside, one of the benefits of low energy lighting besides the obvious monthly savings on your electric bill, is in an emergency when you're on a backup generator. I can fully power my house, including the A/C, with an 8,000 Watt generator. I've worked on a lot of houses damaged by incandescent bulbs burning things. Typically it was ceiling fixtures rated fo 60 or 75 Watt bulbs running 100 W bulbs. It would char the drywall pretty badly and burn up the wiring in the fixtures. High Watt bulbs are also really hard on lamp shades. I bought two cases at Amazon a few months ago and I'll be bathed in the glow of 100 watt light for the next 30 years, or upon my death, which ever comes first.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
#34. To: Esso (#33)
Halogens are just dangerous IMO. It would char the drywall pretty badly and burn up the wiring in the fixtures. High Watt bulbs are also really hard on lamp shades.
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
#35. To: tom007 (#32)
Yeah, I know. Glenn Frey did a song about this problem. The lyrics went something like this: "It's the lure of eating light bulbs, it's got a very strong appeal." You never let me have fun.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
#36. To: Esso (#22)
Outstanding report and I thank you! "Washer: HE front load. Avoid - Top loaders. Front loaders really clean well and are easy on your clothes." Really good stuff!
#37. To: tom007 (#27)
Something will shake out in a few years. Maybe Esso already knows what the new standard is. I installed some futuristic LED/over fiber optics fixtures while renovating the former JOHN WANAMAKER'S in Delaware, years ago. The new company for which lighting costs were no object? Why, ARTHUR ANDERSEN, accounting firm to the ENRON STARS of course. "You know a very great man once said that some people rob you with a fountain pen..."_Bob Dylanhe fixtures are a changing - seems the heat load needs of LEDs demand a profound change in the old style (current) fixtures.
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