It was interesting and sad to see how little regard they have for their audience.
That first caller never even got to make his second comment.
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You are a fool thinking that people will continue to do for a snake in the grass such as yourself. A bona fide fool.
Again, you project your faults onto others and overlook the advice you should yourself take.
All I did was ask you to name me ONE "directed energy weapon" which would be capable of bringing down the WTC towers as they were brought down.
You stomp your feet, hurl insults, accuse me of "lying" without saying exactly what it is I'm supposed to be lying about, just because YOU can't name even ONE such weapon.
You posted a link which points to a list of energy weapons, claiming THAT'S the answer. I asked you to name me ONE, just ONE weapon from that list which you feel was responsible for the collapse of the towers, and instead, you tell me that's MY job. Are you a fucking lunatic?
It is YOU who is making a claim, it is YOUR job to tell us what it is exactly you are claiming, not mine or anyone else's.
Grow the fuck up and stop acting like a 2 year old who isn't getting his way.
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Also I've mentioned that I thought it was most likely a form of microwave long ago in another one of these threads you derailed and messed up.
Oh, so now you're back to microwaves, eh? Are you aware of the fact that even battlefield microwave devices are only capable of causing intense heat under the skin of their human targets?
Microwaves heat up water molecules, thus, since there is no water in concrete and steel, they would NOT be capable of causing ANY damage to the WTC towers nor any other solid structure.
Stop believing every hairbrained tale you hear just because it includes some fancy words you aren't familiar with.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
Microwaves heat up water molecules, thus, since there is no water in concrete and steel, they would NOT be capable of causing ANY damage to the WTC towers nor any other solid structure.
There is some water in concrete. Rapid heating of it possibly could cause the concrete to explode, but it would take very high levels of microwave radiation to accomplish that for a whole floor, and each floor would have to have a separate microwave generator I think for there to be any chance for this to work. It would require enormous amounts of power as well, which they could not really depend on since power failures are fairly common in New York City.
Tons of explosives make much more sense though. Sure it would take a long time to place all those explosives and it would cost a lot, but the people who planned and carried out 9/11 had plenty of money and plenty of time to do the job right.
The amount of power required to heat up a chunk of concrete would be enormous, never mind that required to heat an entire 110 story building to the point it fell apart.
As an experiment, one could get a small piece of concrete and put it in the microwave oven. Leave it there for 10 minutes, then check the temperature.
I'd wager that it's the same temperature as it was when it was first put in the oven.
I doubt the entire power output of NYC would be sufficient to bring down the WTC towers using microwaves. It just isn't efficient nor feasible.
These "no-planers" latch on to every logically unsound and physically impossible story they lay their eyes on.
I think it's sort of clear what they're really up to.
They try their hardest to eliminate the most likely cause of the collapse, being explosives, and fish through the mud trying to convince people it was really some sort of futuristic weapon which doesn't exist. That or nuclear bombs.
It truly seems that they are trying to convince the public that anyone who disagrees with the official story is a raving lunatic, calling themselves "researchers" and "truthers", themselves attacking the real researchers who have uncovered substantial evidence concerning the demolition of the towers.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
Tons of explosives make much more sense though. Sure it would take a long time to place all those explosives and it would cost a lot, but the people who planned and carried out 9/11 had plenty of money and plenty of time to do the job right.
Sure...that does make sense. Yet 9-11 is a message/a claim/hidden occult/...and the kick off to the next phase of Grand Chessboard. The Airliner flight numbers...even the floors impacted are direct take from Aleister Crowley and his Orient occult forwards. 9-11 is also pre canned CGI.... Yes the towers fell....but you watched CGI overlay... Cluesforum has loads of evidence for CGI and post event video and photoshop manipulation. My view on the military/technology side...is they did use directed energy weapon to bring down WTC 1/2 Its a boast and message statement to powers looking in on 9-11,...as the Elite show what they can do...in plain sight.
THEIR ARE NASTY ENERGY WEAPONS OUT THERE THAT CAN ATOMIZE STONE AND METAL.
Uh huh. Besides nuclear bombs, name me ONE, just ONE such weapon which can do as you say.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
Sorry you've fallen for the "no-planes" disinfo campaign. It's in much greater swing than I had imagined, but after looking over all the fake videos on YouTube and various stooges proclaiming themselves experts, while assassinating the character of actual scientists who have presented bona-fide facts and evidence, I see those behind 9/11 found an effective way to neutralize the 9/11 Truth movement.
Think about it for one full minute. Besides successfully fracturing the truth movement, it buries any real facts, and causes the general public to view "truthers" as lunatics and idiots.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
In terms of video manipulation, it is the no-plane promoters who have created the fake videos.
If you watch the actual broadcast videos of that morning, there are NO discrepencies in what was seen. The people of NY City saw with their eyes what everyone else saw on TV.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
THEIR ARE NASTY ENERGY WEAPONS OUT THERE THAT CAN ATOMIZE STONE AND METAL.
Uh huh. Besides nuclear bombs, name me ONE, just ONE such weapon which can do as you say.
Any such weapons are in the black budget and buried under layer after layer of classification. Rumors do leak out though. Just as we know that there is, and has been a secret space program, we know that weapons the public are allowed to know about are a minimum of 20 to 30 years behind actual capability. We do know that sonic weapons can achieve that effect and Scalar Weapons (based on Tesla's research and breakthroughs) can likely do the same. We can look at the observed phenomena and infer the existence of a cause e.g., the microfine dust at the WTC Towers when they collapsed. That dust is an unexplained phenomena which has never been observed in any other event. So, it is rational and logical to infer a cause of that phenomena. While we cannot prove the existence of something that exists with in the world of high level weapons research we can infer and deduce its existence from the observed phenomena.
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OI, I don't know if there is a secret space program or not, maybe there is.
However, I find it VERY unlikely that we have weapons which basically function like phaser beams.
Sure there are sophisticated anti-missile weapons, designed to be effective in space against incoming ICBMs. They might use high powered lasers for that.
However, beam weapons effective in the atmosphere are highly unlikely at this point in time. Concerning scaler weapons, I had read about scaler waves over a decade ago, but have seen no proof that they are effective as weapons.
Don't you think if we had such sophisticated weaponry they would have been put to use by now in terms of actual warfare?
As far as a beam weapon being used against the WTC towers, let's look at the factors, besides the fact such a weapon most probably doesn't exist.
How would it manage to cause a symetrical top down collapse? Would there be four separate beams aimed at each corner of the building, tracking each floor downwards at the precise time? Where would such weapons be positioned, and where would they derive their power from?
How would they avoid penetrating past the WTC into adjacent buildings?
Again, Occam's Razor indicates the most likely answer is that explosives were used to achieve what was witnessed. It CAN be done, and it WOULD have created dust just as witnessed.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
How would they avoid penetrating past the WTC into adjacent buildings?
Again, Occam's Razor indicates the most likely answer is that explosives were used to achieve what was witnessed. It CAN be done, and it WOULD have created dust just as witnessed.
Basic logic like yours above is lacking in today's society. I'm not sure why it is so hard for some people to believe that tons and tons of explosives could turn concrete into fine dust. Why use exotic technology when tested and proved "old fashioned" technology can get the job done easier and cheaper?
There is some water in concrete. Rapid heating of it possibly could cause the concrete to explode, but it would take very high levels of microwave radiation to accomplish that for a whole floor, and each floor would have to have a separate microwave generator I think for there to be any chance for this to work. It would require enormous amounts of power as well, which they could not really depend on since power failures are fairly common in New York City.
Am archiving the data below for referencing in considerations of available power that could possibly have been diverted for Directed Energy weaponry usage when shut downs began at 8:46 a.m.; and also regarding the reductions of usage in the area from evacuations, as well:
UNCLASSIFIED Commission Sensitive MEMORANDUM FOR THE RECORD Type of event: Interview of Consolidated Edison Company of New York officials Date: February 26, 2004 Special Access Issues: None
The World Trade Center area was divided into network areas: Park Place Network, World Trade Center Network, Battery Park Network, Cortlandt Network, Fulton Network, and Bowling Green Network. The main power was supplied from Brooklyn.
There were two substations in WTC 7 building, serving the twin towers, and one substation by the South Street Seaport. A total of eight 13 kW feeders were located at the WTC.
Timeline on 9/11/2001: 08:46 a.m. Two WTC open/auto (O/A) 13 kW feeders went off [My Note: Alleged Flt. 11 impacts WTC 1/North Tower within that minute.] 09:02 a.m. Two additional WTC open/auto (O/A) 13 kW went off [My Note: Within the next minute, alleged Flt. 175 impacts WTC 2/South Tower at 9:03 a.m., approx. 17 minutes after WTC 1/North Tower was allegedly impacted.] 09:52 a.m. Four additional open/auto (O/A) 13 kW feeders went off [My Note: Approx. 7 minutes later, at 9:59 a.m., WTC 2/South Tower falls after burning for approx. 56 minutes.] 10:28 a.m. Status: [My Note: Approx. 29 minutes after WTC 2/South Tower fell, WTC 1/North Tower falls at 10:28 a.m. after burning for approx. 102 minutes. At the time:]
Cortlandt 8 of 15 feeders were off Battery Park City 6 of 8 feeders were off Bowling Green 6 of 16 feeders were off Park Place 1 of 12 feeders were off
Con Ed can lose any 2 feeders, and not lose a network grid. [sic] The NYSE was located in the Bowling Green network. Since all 8 feeders were lost prior to WTC South tower falling, it was possible the lights had gone out before. However, the Port Authority controlled the equipment in the towers and Con Ed did not know exactly what happened inside the towers. They did have maps of the towers and were prepared to help the Port Authority in the event they were needed. As the towers fell, they were destroying sub service station suppliers. By 10:30 a.m. the only place totally out of electricity was the WTC complex.
The evacuation of lower Manhattan reduced the load requirements and helped as the electricity was lost following the collapse. Many building owners turned off the HVAC when they left the buildings so the bad air would not circulate which also saved electricity. Had this attack occurred in hotter summer weather, with the increased use of air conditioning, things could have been worse.
9/11 WTC Timeline references for the notes above in blue:
8:46 AM: Flight 11 crashes into the WTC (World Trade Center) north tower. [approximately 26 minutes after controllers lost contact][New York Times, 9/12/01]
9:03 AM: Flight 175 crashes into the south WTC tower. [23 minutes after NORAD notified, 43 minutes after air traffic control lost contact with pilots][New York Times, 9/12/01, CNN, 9/12/01]
Silverstein’s 7WTCo., an LLC controlled by Silverstein Properties, was charged with two counts of with negligence related to the development of the building. Tenants were apparently permitted to install diesel-fueled backup generators. Claims against Citigroup alleged that “an unreasonable amount of diesel fuel” in two 6,000-gallon tanks was incorporated into the design.
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Why use exotic technology when tested and proved "old fashioned" technology can get the job done easier and cheaper?
Exactly.
AND, if advanced explosives were used, such as nanothermite based explosives, they more than likely would have required MUCH less in terms of quantity and overall weight.
They most likely would have been more powerful and "hotter" as well.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
Do you have any idea of the amount of power necessary for a laser to heat up a structure enough to cause it to weaken to the point of collapse? Factor in the fact that it would of had to have been fired from space, or hidden VERY damn well at a distance from the WTC, AND there would have had to of been MULTIPLE sources for the building to collapse symetrically.
Add to that idea the fact that any heating effects powerful enough to cause a collapse would have scorched the exterior walls, and caused them to melt (being that the exterior walls were covered with aluminum sheathing).
So no, your beam idea is just plain wacked out and impossible.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
In terms of video manipulation, it is the no-plane promoters who have created the fake videos.
If you watch the actual broadcast videos of that morning, there are NO discrepencies in what was seen. The people of NY City saw with their eyes what everyone else saw on TV.
Put down the Zionist opium pipe....
The fact you authenticate 9-11 via the Jewish Supremacist media shows me you have an agenda on 9-11,...and margins the whyfore with the Red Flags going up continually here on this forum with your posts and misdirect routine.
Cluesforum has the days TV 9-11 coverage where the 2nd tower gets hit. the airliner is all over the map in elevation/floors of the building,...descent,...flight track, they have it flying in level and straight...and other coverage has it banking with offset wing tilt. This is proof of CGI overlay. No 757/767 crashed into the Pentalawn.....86 camera's having their field view coverage confiscated outs them.....or they would be showing that on 9-11 Greatest hits DVD. same for Shanksville....no airliner disappeared into that rabbit hole. They could fly an airliner into both WTC towers by computer overide. or they could slam cruise missiles into the building and overlay the track with a CGI airliner. or they could blow up those floors with pre set explosives,...and CGI the track/impact and detonation. The fact is....they can do up 9-11 numerous ways.....and leave people like you ninnying over details. There's people over at LP who still think Moo si lums pulled it all off ...100 over 100. Pulling the 9-11 curtain back to catch MR Jew Supremacist and his insider business friends is way more important.....and the subject* the media and gatekeepers on web forums....do not want people to stop and kick the traces over.
Hey bud. You might be used to hanging with ziocon traitors on LP, but don't assume everyone here is like your pals over there.
The fact you authenticate 9-11 via the Jewish Supremacist media shows me you have an agenda on 9-11
Ok, I see all you no-planers are total whackjobs, now that you've illuminated me as to your brilliance.
I was posting about how the government story is total bullshit before you even started posting on LP. You're just an idiot who's been suckered in by fast talkers who have nothing of substance except for pure speculation, and who have a habit of attacking ANYONE who has actually done research on 9/11 and who have impressive credentials, such as Dr. Steven Jones along with the thousands of architects, engineers, and scientists who are affiliated with Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth.
So basically anyone who has uncovered strong evidence concerning how 9/11 was an inside job, or reported anything to do with Israeli Mossad involvement in 9/11, is targetted by no-planers and their handlers for attack.
People like you piss off. You've either fallen for the bullshit, or you're part of it.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
the airliner is all over the map in elevation/floors of the building,...descent,...flight track, they have it flying in level and straight...and other coverage has it banking with offset wing tilt.
Post a link to that if it exists. All the no-planer claims I've seen were either backed by tampered video, or were outright misrepresentations of what actually took place.
The fact is....they can do up 9-11 numerous ways.....and leave people like you ninnying over details. There's people over at LP who still think Moo si lums pulled it all off ...100 over 100.
And you're convincing those people that they're right by acting like a nut. You can't go from actual facts to outrageous claims which make no logical sense, backed by nothing but people who claim to be interested in truth yet don't care if their own statements are true or not.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
Me: A plasma arc as a Directed Energy source in conjunction with electrification of concrete surfaces, eh? Interesting, but since it speaks of dust reduction by melting concrete into molten concrete, it doesn't quite fit the dustification evidence at the WTC.
the present invention...melts a surface of a concrete structure...the present invention is free of a potential fire because of the capability of controlling the heating, and does not produce any noise...applicable to both small-sized and large-sized concrete demolishing apparatus...if desired, a switch can be utilized to apply a signal to control means...An input terminal of a control means is connected to the wiring between the direct current source and the electrode to provide control means with a signal...The dummy electrode is provided because it greatly increases the amount of the concrete which is melted. Preferably, the dummy electrode is of a material with good electrical and thermal conductivities...the present invention...is also applicable to a large scale demolition of a concrete structure. For example, a large concrete demolishing apparatus having two large electrodes, a control system...the large electrodes in such a manner as to interlock with the generation and stoppage of a voltage applied to the large electrodes. The two large electrodes are positioned in close proximity to a surface of a concrete structure. Then, an arc discharge is induced between the two electrodes...compact and easy to carry out under electical control...can demolish concrete at a high efficiency.
Am posting this because the methods described above might possibly have been adaptable in a Directed Energy demolition of the WTC Towers and without the use of thermitics; perhaps in combination with the conductivity of the steel-framed structures and with the applied current adjusted to below the melting point of concrete.
Edited last paragraph and link title.
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#107. To: GreyLmist, RickyJ, All, *9-11* (#106)(Edited)
A plasma arc as a Directed Energy source in conjunction with electrification of concrete surfaces, eh?
OMG.
You've never heard of arc welding? So now arc welders are weapons of mass destruction capable of tearing down buildings?
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People like you piss off. You've either fallen for the bullshit, or you're part of it.
Take your own advice first tool. You have become their instrument ...
also "illuminated" is a punk bitch ass word . Way to close to illunminati for my taste.
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You've never heard of arc welding? So now arc welders are weapons of mass destruction capable of tearing down buildings?
Try again to understand what was posted from the Patent link and what I stated; none of which was in the context of welding, regardless of what the Patented applications were intended for when designed. Reposted from #106 for you:
Am posting this because the methods described above might possibly have been adaptable in a Directed Energy demolition of the WTC Towers and without the use of thermitics; perhaps in combination with the conductivity of the steel-framed structures and with the applied current adjusted to below the melting point of concrete.
Edited both paragraphs.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Don't you think if we had such sophisticated weaponry they would have been put to use by now in terms of actual warfare?
Not necessarily. In most of the little brush fire wars that have been created by the MIC/Rothschilds/Israel such weapons are not needed and would be revealing capabilities to potential adversaries who could make use of the information. You have to look at the spook mentality of chronic and constant paranoia. They'd classify their Great Grandmother's birthday if they were allowed to.
As far as a beam weapon being used against the WTC towers, let's look at the factors, besides the fact such a weapon most probably doesn't exist.
Data insufficient to say they don't exist. Again I look at it from the point of view of inductive logic reasoning from observed effect back to cause. We can observe the effect of microfine concrete dust and we can also observe the manner in which the structures appeared to erode before our very eyes. We can further adduce that these particular characteristics are particular only to the collapse of the WTC Towers. Explosives, not even nanothermites, does not account for the observed phenomena. From explosives we could expect certainly some great degree of dust from the collapse but it is the quality of the dust i.e., its very fine, almost microscopic, grain combined with greater volume than can really be accounted for by explosion and collapse. So, I do not think it unreasonable to assume, hypothetically, the existence of some other agency creating the observed effect. And while this is, freely admitted, speculation the existence, and use, of some form of energy weapon is not unreasonable in attempting to account for some of the observed phenomena. While I do not agree 100% with Dr. Wood she nevertheless has chronicled some very puzzling observations including the dust but not limited to it. There are other evidences she has collected which are verifiable and anomalous to say the least.
So, the one thing I can say with some certainty is that pending further data that some some agency, likely in the form of directed energy, appears to have been involved with the collapse of the towers. It fits for me since I believe that more than one means was used to bring the towers down and to control their collapse so as to prevent too much additional damage to other properties.
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From explosives we could expect certainly some great degree of dust from the collapse but it is the quality of the dust i.e., its very fine, almost microscopic, grain combined with greater volume than can really be accounted for by explosion and collapse.
Plese provide a link that makes any distinction between the size of the WTC dust and the size of regular controlled demolition dust.
Additionally, you are saying that we don't know what a classified weapon would do, or what it would be, since its classified.
That's sort of circular argument don't you think?
Don't you think we should give the same sort of consideration to nanothermite explosives, which more than likely DO exist, and MAY actually cause the effects seen in the WTC collapse, ESPECIALLY since unreacted nanothermite WAS found in the WTC debris?
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Post a link to that if it exists. All the no-planer claims I've seen were either backed by tampered video, or were outright misrepresentations of what actually took place.
Do you also have road rage often?
There must be over 50 pages of CGI overlay evidence for 9-11 at Cluesforum. I'm not your slave......NO....go visit the site yourself. You enjoy the strawman/trap argument with labels.....then insults. I said....No Airliners**....Pentalawn and Shanksville. and then stated the Elite who pulled off 9-11 could fly them in by remote,...or could use cruise missile's and overlay that by CGI,....or blow the floors up with explosives....and have a pre canned feed with CGI overlay for WTC 1&2 Your No planer* label is fail!...cuz there was NO Planes** at 2 of the days events. and the possibility remains there was no planes in all 4 cases. there is hard radar track data showing these planes dissapearing from their tracks,.....but they cycle a signal and are recorded elsewhere in real time ACARS CONFIRMED - 9/11 AIRCRAFT AIRBORNE LONG AFTER CRASH [s/Pilots for 9-11 truth] excerpt: Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System (ACARS) is a device used to send messages to and from an aircraft. Very similar to text messages and email we use today, Air Traffic Control, the airline itself, and other airplanes can communicate with each other via this "texting" system. ACARS was developed in 1978 and is still used today. Similar to cell phone networks, the ACARS network has remote ground stations installed around the world to route messages from ATC, the airline, etc, to the aircraft depending on it's location and vice versa. ACARS Messages have been provided through the Freedom Of Information Act (FOIA) which demonstrate that the aircraft received messages through ground stations located in Harrisburg, PA, and then later routed through a ground station in Pittsburgh, 20 minutes after the aircraft allegedly impacted the South Tower in New York. How can messages be routed through such remote locations if the aircraft was in NY, not to mention how can messages be routed to an aircraft which allegedly crashed 20 minutes earlier? Pilots For 9/11 Truth have briefly touched on this subject in 9/11: Intercepted through the excellent research of "Woody Box", who initially discovered such alarming information in the released FOIA documents(1). We now have further information which confirms the aircraft was not in the vicinity of New York City when the attacks occurred. [end]
Readers can visit Pilots for 9-11 truth...the above is on the main page. You appear to have control issues on the 9-11's day unfolding. Why rage at new considerations or theories? You can't claim the TV version of 9-11 is valid.....the media were caught doing realtime program deception numerous times. Before the day was out that piece of trash defence minister of IsraHell went on record in an BBC interview.....He brings up Bin Laden in A Stan,....says we will know* in 12 hours.... then lists out Rogue states...Iran,Iraq,Libya....to be taken down.... “Within six or ten years“. That's evidence IsraHell was in on 9-11,....along with so many scheming of the Tribe who positionally moved stock play,...Insurance, and were awarded contracts with no bid/no competition as direct outcome...in some cases....they were in motion in hours....evidence of conspiracy.
Additionally, you are saying that we don't know what a classified weapon would do, or what it would be, since its classified.
That's sort of circular argument don't you think?
Not really. We are operating at a data deficit and so are left to speculate. We can hedge our speculations using logic but they are still speculations. I just look at the observed phenomena and apply what we don't know and then attempt to infer from the observed phenomena a possible cause. I do not assert a certainty merely a possibility. I do not assert it as a certainty. It is simply one hypothesis among several in an attempt to account for the observed phenomena.
Don't you think we should give the same sort of consideration to nanothermite explosives, which more than likely DO exist, and MAY actually cause the effects seen in the WTC collapse, ESPECIALLY since unreacted nanothermite WAS found in the WTC debris?
Oh, I do. I think it very possible. However, my point is that I do not think it was the only thing used. The towers were very very massive and very tall. In order to create controlled degradation of the structures, as was observed, I think it likely that the controllers who organized and planned the job had a whole palette of options at their disposal. One of the major problems would have been to control the collapse, again as observed, by means sufficient to contain the destruction to just the towers and that is what we observe. Nanotherumites were almost certainly used to cut key structural members but would not, I do not believe, have been sufficient to contain the collapse in the manner which we observe.
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
#114. To: FormerLurker, Parrot with speed dial, titorite (#105)(Edited)
Parrot with speed dial: the airliner is all over the map in elevation/floors of the building,...descent,...flight track, they have it flying in level and straight...and other coverage has it banking with offset wing tilt.
FL: Post a link to that if it exists.
That shouldn't be news to you, FL. We've discussed such before and titorite has too -- with video exampled and (in one of your own threads) with emphasis by me on CBS footage especially, which displays very different [WTC 2] plane trajectories:
Ref. Posts#249 and #266 at 4um Title: NO PLANER COINTELPRO Operation Becoming Transparent
Additional references on the issue of different MSM plane and smoke trajectories:
December 1, 2012 Article by Pete: Episode #285 - Extremely Disturbing 9-11 Audio Jason Bermas & Alex Jones
Full length video of Episode #285 - Extremely Disturbing 9-11 Audio Jason Bermas & Alex Jones | Published by Pete Santilli on Dec 1, 2012 | At 39:17, Jason Bermas and Alex Jones issue [My Note: Commentary recommendation to 54:25. Announcement below from the site page on upcoming interviews with Dr. Judy Wood:]
Dr. Judy Wood will be on The Pete Santilli Show on Thursday December 15th and Friday December 16th for a blockbuster back-to-back presentation. You don't want to miss these episodes....you will quickly learn why InfoWars.com does NOT want you to know the whole truth about 9-11, because over 10 years they've failed to bring you key evidence you'll hear about in this presentation that changes everything they've been telling you.
Dr. Judy Wood's evidence has been presented in Governor Jesse Ventura's speaking engagements, radio interviews, as well as his television show, and we are excited to introduce her to our audience!
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#117. To: Parrot with speed dial, GreyLmist, wudidiz, titorite, all goverment paid shills (#112)
You can't claim the TV version of 9-11 is valid.....the media were caught doing realtime program deception numerous times.
Ok, you win. 19 angry arabs with box cutters brought down those towers.
There, are you fucking happy now?
I can't believe how fucking stupid people have become.
They think the entire city of New York was in on the scheme to kill 3000 people, some of them their own relatives, and all the television news crews, networks, airport employees, FAA employees, police, firemen, and everyone else is on the 9/11 conspiracy.
Well go fuck yourselves, I'm sick and tired of arguing with retards.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
That shouldn't be news to you, FL. We've discussed such before and titorite has too -- with video exampled and (in one of your own threads) with emphasis by me on CBS footage especially, which displays very different [WTC 2] plane trajectories:
Yep, and you were as full of shit then as you are now.
YOU couldn't even tell what compass direction the smoke was travelling, and in EACH and every video, it ALL travelled the same direction.
YOU couldn't honestly say the obvious, and that is that the plane approached from the same direction on EACH fucking video.
YOU appear to be quite the ring leader here of "new found truth", the sort of truth Dick Cheney would be proud of.
I'm done. You can go ahead and destroy any progress people have made to investigating the events of 9/11. No matter what factual evidence I present, your fairy tales sound more appealing to the audience, and apparently I have no allies here.
So you've won, you've taken over the forum.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
I don't want to associate with this forum any longer.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
One last thing Parrot. Apparently you've been hanging with the shills here, since it's quite obvious you haven't really read one fucking thing I've said the past 10 years or so that I've been on this forum, the five years I had been on LP, or the 3 years before that I was on FR.
I proved the impossibility of Flight 77 flying as it did and striking the Pentagon. I've presented documented facts concerning Israeli involvement with 9/11.
I've provided scientific proof that the jet fuel didn't weaken the towers making them pancake, and have stated the obvious many times, in that 110 story towers don't fall into themselves at close to free fall speed without explosives.
I've provided plausible evidence that the planes could very well have been switched in mid-air with military jets of similar design as the hijacked aircraft, and those jets were flown remotely into the towers.
If you wish to believe in fairytales and backstab those who helped develop awareness over the past decade that 9/11 was an inside job, be my fucking guest.
You're in good company.
At this point I really don't care anymore, since it's apparent to me the truth will NEVER be told, now that even the self described "good guys" are falling for the traps laid out by those who actually planned and perpetrated 9/11.
To folks like you, science is bad, and wild assed guesses are what matter.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
IF you supported science you wouldn't shit on everyone that brought forth plausible alternative ideas.
I think that is what you are truly pissed off over... that you could be wrong.
How you process that, by acting like the most immature douchebag in the universe, well....that is a failure in your character.
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One of the major problems would have been to control the collapse, again as observed, by means sufficient to contain the destruction to just the towers and that is what we observe. Nanotherumites were almost certainly used to cut key structural members but would not, I do not believe, have been sufficient to contain the collapse in the manner which we observe.
OI, this will probably be my last post on this forum. I'm done arguing with those who've made it a mission in their lives to discredit 9/11 truth with whatever they can conjure up out of the blue, who promote themselves as "truth seekers" where they care not about truth, all they care about is what they "believe" or "feel".
At one time on this forum, and others before it, I felt like I was opening some eyes and raising people's awareness. Now, I feel that whenever I post actual facts and logical arguments, I'll be attacked from all directions, and those simply passing by this forum will side with the majority, knowing little if anything about what the facts actually are.
I suppose I've just grown sick and tired of spending my time spinning my wheels and not really getting anywhere.
But to address your comments, you apparently still think nanothermite is used to burn through metal. I have raised the fact many times lately that the military and various government laboratories have been researching nanothermite EXPLOSIVES since at least the early 90's. In other words, they were developing explosives composed of nanothermite in hopes they would be more powerful than standard C4. Little data is available on exactly HOW much more powerful nanothermite explosives are. In fact, it's not even clear that they actually exist.
I'd say however, that it is MUCH more likely that they DO exist, than some phaser beam type weapon fired from muliple points in space.
All I've ever done is try to look at the MOST likely scenario, supported by known facts, logic, and basic science. I also look at what DIDN'T or COULDN'T have happened. It is by using that methodology we can eliminate jet fuel and pancaking as the cause of the demise of the WTC towers.
If we grasp at red herrings and ignore the most likely scenario, then what difference is there between the "jet fuel brought the towers down" story, and the "9/11 truth" tales? Do you really believe for one second that the government DOESN'T place disinformation out there to instigate the very sort of behavior we are currently witnessing, where MANY people are latching onto this "no-planes" bandwagon, even though it defies all logic and reasoning, and is supported by wishful thinking along with doctored after the fact videos, nothing more?
Anyways, controlled demolition is called that for a reason. The collapse of the structure is controlled by precise timing, location, and type of explosive. As you have just said, those towers collapsed in a controlled fashion. There is absolutely no reason at all they couldn't have been destroyed using timed explosives, and if nanothermite was used, standard signatures of explosives would not be detected.
Here's a demolition video, it'll show how STANDARD explosives can bring down structures. Enjoy.
It's been fun, but now, it's no longer fun. I have stopped caring, since apparently most people don't care about what is true or not anymore, so why spend my time trying to convince them of what the facts are. I feel as though I've been wasting my time, and that's time I'll never get back.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
No matter what factual evidence I present, your fairy tales sound more appealing to the audience, and apparently I have no allies here.
All 9/11 Truthseekers should be allies, imo, rather than in-fighting over differences in perspectives. I haven't told 9/11 fairy tales. There is evidence that Steven Jones and company have and it's deadly to those subjected to The War on Terra while he fuels conflict over his faux obstacle course. Rethink helping to maintain it as a Gatekeeper for him. WTC controlled demolition was already well established before his Thermitic game-show. Directed Energy investigation is about the controlled demolitions, just of the unconventional sort.
Edited to add last sentence.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
OI, this will probably be my last post on this forum.
Oh bugger off drama queen, you've said that three times now. Get over yourself. Shit or get off the pot.
I'd still rather you learn more about this all.
_______________________________________________________________________________ The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself,Take Action!!!
Oh, you want some attention you fucking weasle? Ok, I'm not sure if you are a government paid operative, an Israeli agent, or just a plain stupid fucking psycho.
You ARE one of the above however. You ARE most certainly a drama queen, claiming credit for that which you have had no part of, and discrediting those who have had a substantial role in raising the public's awareness of the impossibility of the government's 9/11 fairy tale.
YOU have done everthing within your means to cause hate, discontent, and animosity between posters here on these 9/11 threads, have latched onto ridiculously implausible tales, insisting that they are 100% true, while dismissing actual evidence, logic, and documented facts as "lies".
YOU most certainly are a tool of those covering up 9/11, and what makes it worse, people TRUST you because you post differently on other topics.
At least yukon was consistently rude and vile, whereas you only behave this way on 9/11 topics, indicating to me that you're here specifically to neutralize any widespread support of an impartial investigation of 9/11.
Anyways, enjoy your new found notoriety, and while you're at it, kiss my ass.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
I have gone out into the night to paste flyers at recruiting stations speaking on 911 truth. I have set up notes on post office sticky tacky boards . I have taken my spraypaint cans to the fraternal lodges and highschools. I have been arrested and done my time in pursuit of doing all that I could literally by myself because I can not seem to get organised....
A jumbled up mess is what I am...still struggling to get my shit together just like any of us I suppose..... except those that DO have their shit together.
It gets me shit like this.....
Just do whatever lurker.
_______________________________________________________________________________ The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself,Take Action!!!
It's very convenient posting anonymously and claiming you're really a superhero in real life. I just noticed you on another thread, saying that you spoke to Alex Jones about starting a revolution, then went on in a subsequent post trying to get people interested in "meetups" hosted by you.
To me, you seem like a bonafide COINTEL operative, fluffing up your "past" trying to make yourself out to be some sort of super patriot.
Due to your actions and words not only on these 9/11 threads, but others, I'd say it is HIGHLY likely that you are in fact trying to lure people into situations where they can be charged with "anti-terrorism" laws, arrested as "domestic terrorists".
It's happened many times before, in fact, it happens all the time.
In regards to 9/11, to you "truth" is whatever YOU say it is, contradictory facts, logic, or common sense be damned. You are certainly no friend of the 9/11 Truth movement. If anything, you've set it back to the days when most people believed the offical fairytale. The only thing different is that you've replaced one fairytale with another.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen