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Title: Alex Jones Compars Judy Wood 911 Analysis to "Space Beams"
Source: you tube
URL Source: http://youtu.be/3p5VibTaUeQ
Published: Dec 1, 2012
Author: Santilli Covering AJ/Bermas Idiocy
Post Date: 2012-12-01 09:57:34 by abraxas
Keywords: None
Views: 3366
Comments: 142

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#7. To: abraxas (#0)

Alex Jones Compars Judy Wood 911 Analysis to "Space Beams"

The title says it all. I wonder if AJ would be surprised to know that NORAD controlled the planes that hit the Twin Towers? Just asking. ROTFLOL!

BTP Holdings  posted on  2012-12-01   15:03:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: BTP Holdings (#7)

The title says it all. I wonder if AJ would be surprised to know that NORAD controlled the planes that hit the Twin Towers? Just asking. ROTFLOL!

The answer is AJ knows that the planes were remote controlled. Judy Woods says there were no planes. It was just a figment of our imaginations, a product of lasers.

ratcat  posted on  2012-12-02   0:19:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: ratcat (#16)

The answer is AJ knows that the planes were remote controlled. Judy Woods says there were no planes. It was just a figment of our imaginations, a product of lasers.

I am not sure what AJ knows or doesn't know, but Judy Woods is not a reliable source of info for really anything, yet certain people keep pushing her 9/11 stories. The 9/11 truth movement is trying to be made into a laughing stock by these jokers to make sure the general population does not investigate the events of 9/11 and realize they have been lied to by the media and government for years.

If widespread knowledge of the truth of 9/11 came out then Israel would be history just like Alan Saborsky said they would be. It is the state of Israel, Mossad and CIA agents, as well as those in the government and military that cooperated with this false flag event that are using every means available to discredit the 9/11 truth movement with wackos like Judy Wood.

RickyJ  posted on  2012-12-04   19:26:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: RickyJ (#35)

Low opinions of Judy Wood are irrelevant to the facts that planes don't explain the devastation at the WTC, nor does thermitics. The same devastation can be seen in newsclips. The question of exotic weaponry didn't originate with her anyway. That's traceable to Christopher Bollyn, all the way back to February 2002 -- long before she arrived in the 9/11 research community whether you like it or not. What you think of her or the WMD aspect of 9/11 investigations changes nothing of the issues that can't be chalked up to conventional controlled demolitions.

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-12-04   19:51:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: GreyLmist, RickyJ (#37)

What you think of her or the WMD aspect of 9/11 investigations changes nothing of the issues that can't be chalked up to conventional controlled demolitions.

There is not ONE thing which can't be "chaulked up" to conventional EXPLOSIVES, let alone that which could be "chaulked up" to explosives based on nano-thermite.

Nano-thermite would be the way to go if they didn't want evidence of conventional explosives found in the debris. Now they can have people post on forums saying that no traces of explosives have been found.

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-12-05   1:34:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: FormerLurker (#39)

There is not ONE thing which can't be "chaulked up" to conventional EXPLOSIVES, let alone that which could be "chaulked up" to explosives based on nano-thermite.

Nano-thermite would be the way to go if they didn't want evidence of conventional explosives found in the debris.

I disagree with both of those statements. For someone who claimed in this post not to have looked into nano-thermite in any depth until less than two weeks ago, you seem to have like a religious fervor for the stuff. The magnitude of powers you've attributed to it are way over-estimated.

Now they can have people post on forums saying that no traces of explosives have been found.

Jones' alleged samples are rubbish. He and his crew didn't even try to find traces of conventional explosives. Those are plain facts and have nothing to do with your misdirected imagineerings about people like me. It's ok to realize that he's been misleading people -- kind of like "Mr. Thermite Sandman". Just shake it off and leave his deceptive snare.

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-12-05   4:00:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: GreyLmist (#40)

Jones' alleged samples are rubbish. He and his crew didn't even try to find traces of conventional explosives.

Uh huh. Where's your data which makes this a "fact"? And how do you know what exactly they tried to find or didn't?

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-12-05   16:53:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: FormerLurker (#44) (Edited)

Hi FL

I worked 2 decades + front end....fabricating oil/nat gas process systems.
CNC underwater cut/Cryogenic nitrogen - plasma gantry,
move plate and finished vessels with 50 ton remote control cranes.
I have many years of metallurgy,ultrasound insp ticket,...nuclear weld xray
senior burner....machine operator.
We used 2" boxed column as supports under pressure vessels which went into ovens with 24 fired gas burners and heat treated/equalized the vessels welds for over 12 hours sometimes.....above the pissy useless value of burning avfuel.....neither the 2" boxed supports...nor the pressure vessel ....nor even the railcar which loaded all into a huge oven...melted,failed,...saged.
Its BS that the 64 2" core columns failed in the carbon based fire after the jet fuel was consumed.
so it requires assisted intervention....where you see fountains of molten steel and alloy flow out of the towers like a waterfall.....thats the Nano - thermate/thermite...doing its thing.
yet still...you can see the top portion of the tower pivot over centre and lean...some 30 plus floors...and become powder in milliseconds!
Thats a directed energy weapon!

This ends the BS that Moo si lums did 9-11.
Only dept's and here....its like Area 51 stuff.....have access to Directed Energy weapons.
The people who want to take down Iraq,A stan,Libya and Syria are the ones who did 9- 11
Zbigniew B and Grand chessboard/Fake war on Terror.....9-11 was the kick off for the next phase.

Parrot with speed dial  posted on  2012-12-05   17:23:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: Parrot with speed dial (#45)

.where you see fountains of molten steel and alloy flow out of the towers like a waterfall.....thats the Nano - thermate/thermite...doing its thing. yet still...you can see the top portion of the tower pivot over centre and lean...some 30 plus floors...and become powder in milliseconds! Thats a directed energy weapon!

And that is entirely plausible as well.

titorite  posted on  2012-12-06   4:29:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: titorite, *Black Ops - Psyops* (#84) (Edited)

I think this following article allows people to see what exactly you're all about...

How To Spot a Sociopath

Did you get "programmed" when you were a wee lad, or are you just a natural born psycho?

Edit: I missed the part about the common sociopath being "highly intelligent", so I guess that rules you out. Unless of course you're just PRETENDING to be stupid.

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-12-06   4:44:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: FormerLurker (#86) (Edited)

Here we go typicical tit for tat?

Do you wanna discuss the topic of the threads? FUCK NO!

You wanna debate my childhood, the big gulp at 7-11 what the fuck ever else you can bring up

Former Lurker YOU ARE A DEVIOUS LYING SOB THAT IS ALWAYS, AND I MEAN ALWAYS ,SIDE TRACKING THESE CONVERSATIONS.

One has to wonder what your cowardly ass fears about people talking about 911 and Direct energy weapons being involved.... because it seems to scare you like a school girl and you do all that you can to denounce it and you have no problem lying to do it.

Shame on you.

Also I've mentioned that I thought it was most likely a form of microwave long ago in another one of these threads you derailed and messed up.

You want me to bring it up again, and again and again..

Like I said, you have been given evidence multiple times. Lots of links and picture have been given. All you do is repeat your calls to be shown what you have been shown already like a repetitive two year old that doesn't know any better. It is as childish as using the black ops ping list as your personal insult tool. Just fucking immature.

You are a fool thinking that people will continue to do for a snake in the grass such as yourself. A bona fide fool.

titorite  posted on  2012-12-06   4:48:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: titorite (#87)

Also I've mentioned that I thought it was most likely a form of microwave long ago in another one of these threads you derailed and messed up.

Oh, so now you're back to microwaves, eh? Are you aware of the fact that even battlefield microwave devices are only capable of causing intense heat under the skin of their human targets?

Microwaves heat up water molecules, thus, since there is no water in concrete and steel, they would NOT be capable of causing ANY damage to the WTC towers nor any other solid structure.

Stop believing every hairbrained tale you hear just because it includes some fancy words you aren't familiar with.

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-12-06   11:54:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: FormerLurker (#90) (Edited)

Microwaves heat up water molecules, thus, since there is no water in concrete and steel, they would NOT be capable of causing ANY damage to the WTC towers nor any other solid structure.

There is some water in concrete. Rapid heating of it possibly could cause the concrete to explode, but it would take very high levels of microwave radiation to accomplish that for a whole floor, and each floor would have to have a separate microwave generator I think for there to be any chance for this to work. It would require enormous amounts of power as well, which they could not really depend on since power failures are fairly common in New York City.

Tons of explosives make much more sense though. Sure it would take a long time to place all those explosives and it would cost a lot, but the people who planned and carried out 9/11 had plenty of money and plenty of time to do the job right.

RickyJ  posted on  2012-12-06   12:57:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: RickyJ, *9-11* (#91) (Edited)

There is some water in concrete. Rapid heating of it possibly could cause the concrete to explode, but it would take very high levels of microwave radiation to accomplish that for a whole floor, and each floor would have to have a separate microwave generator I think for there to be any chance for this to work. It would require enormous amounts of power as well, which they could not really depend on since power failures are fairly common in New York City.

Am archiving the data below for referencing in considerations of available power that could possibly have been diverted for Directed Energy weaponry usage when shut downs began at 8:46 a.m.; and also regarding the reductions of usage in the area from evacuations, as well:

http://media.nara.gov/9-11/MFR/t-0148-911MFR-00174.pdf

UNCLASSIFIED
Commission Sensitive
MEMORANDUM FOR THE RECORD
Type of event: Interview of Consolidated Edison Company of New York officials
Date: February 26, 2004
Special Access Issues: None

The World Trade Center area was divided into network areas: Park Place Network, World Trade Center Network, Battery Park Network, Cortlandt Network, Fulton Network, and Bowling Green Network. The main power was supplied from Brooklyn.

There were two substations in WTC 7 building, serving the twin towers, and one substation by the South Street Seaport. A total of eight 13 kW feeders were located at the WTC.

Timeline on 9/11/2001:
08:46 a.m. Two WTC open/auto (O/A) 13 kW feeders went off [My Note: Alleged Flt. 11 impacts WTC 1/North Tower within that minute.]
09:02 a.m. Two additional WTC open/auto (O/A) 13 kW went off [My Note: Within the next minute, alleged Flt. 175 impacts WTC 2/South Tower at 9:03 a.m., approx. 17 minutes after WTC 1/North Tower was allegedly impacted.]
09:52 a.m. Four additional open/auto (O/A) 13 kW feeders went off
[My Note: Approx. 7 minutes later, at 9:59 a.m., WTC 2/South Tower falls after burning for approx. 56 minutes.]
10:28 a.m. Status: [My Note: Approx. 29 minutes after WTC 2/South Tower fell, WTC 1/North Tower falls at 10:28 a.m. after burning for approx. 102 minutes. At the time:]

Cortlandt 8 of 15 feeders were off
Battery Park City 6 of 8 feeders were off
Bowling Green 6 of 16 feeders were off
Park Place 1 of 12 feeders were off

Con Ed can lose any 2 feeders, and not lose a network grid. [sic] The NYSE was located in the Bowling Green network. Since all 8 feeders were lost prior to WTC South tower falling, it was possible the lights had gone out before. However, the Port Authority controlled the equipment in the towers and Con Ed did not know exactly what happened inside the towers. They did have maps of the towers and were prepared to help the Port Authority in the event they were needed. As the towers fell, they were destroying sub service station suppliers. By 10:30 a.m. the only place totally out of electricity was the WTC complex.

The evacuation of lower Manhattan reduced the load requirements and helped as the electricity was lost following the collapse. Many building owners turned off the HVAC when they left the buildings so the bad air would not circulate which also saved electricity. Had this attack occurred in hotter summer weather, with the increased use of air conditioning, things could have been worse.

9/11 WTC Timeline references for the notes above in blue:

http://www.wanttoknow.info/9-11cover-up10pg

8:46 AM: Flight 11 crashes into the WTC (World Trade Center) north tower. [approximately 26 minutes after controllers lost contact][New York Times, 9/12/01]

9:03 AM: Flight 175 crashes into the south WTC tower. [23 minutes after NORAD notified, 43 minutes after air traffic control lost contact with pilots][New York Times, 9/12/01, CNN, 9/12/01]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Center#Destruction

At 9:59 a.m., the South Tower collapsed after burning for approximately 56 minutes.

The North Tower collapsed at 10:28 a.m., after burning for approximately 102 minutes.

Edited second blue-note + for highlighting, date formatting and to expand the next to last paragraph of the .gov pdf file excerpts.

Edit to include additional related info and for formatting:

Con Ed suit against Silverstein and Citigroup at 7 WTC dismissed

September 27, 2011 04:05PM

Silverstein’s 7WTCo., an LLC controlled by Silverstein Properties, was charged with two counts of with negligence related to the development of the building. Tenants were apparently permitted to install diesel-fueled backup generators. Claims against Citigroup alleged that “an unreasonable amount of diesel fuel” in two 6,000-gallon tanks was incorporated into the design.

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-12-06   15:31:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: RickyJ, *9-11* (#100) (Edited)

Cross-referencing #63 To: RickyJ (#59) at 4um Title: 911 and Thermite, The official Conspiracy Theory?

RickyJ: if you don't think it was possible in 2001 for a thermite technology to turn concrete to dust, think again!

www.google.com/patents?id...oom=4#v=onepage&q&f=false

Me: A plasma arc as a Directed Energy source in conjunction with electrification of concrete surfaces, eh? Interesting, but since it speaks of dust reduction by melting concrete into molten concrete, it doesn't quite fit the dustification evidence at the WTC.

Excerpts from the above link for:

[US] Patent number: 5532449
Filing date: Aug 29, 1994
Issue date: Jul 2, 1996

the present invention...melts a surface of a concrete structure...the present invention is free of a potential fire because of the capability of controlling the heating, and does not produce any noise...applicable to both small-sized and large-sized concrete demolishing apparatus...if desired, a switch can be utilized to apply a signal to control means...An input terminal of a control means is connected to the wiring between the direct current source and the electrode to provide control means with a signal...The dummy electrode is provided because it greatly increases the amount of the concrete which is melted. Preferably, the dummy electrode is of a material with good electrical and thermal conductivities...the present invention...is also applicable to a large scale demolition of a concrete structure. For example, a large concrete demolishing apparatus having two large electrodes, a control system...the large electrodes in such a manner as to interlock with the generation and stoppage of a voltage applied to the large electrodes. The two large electrodes are positioned in close proximity to a surface of a concrete structure. Then, an arc discharge is induced between the two electrodes...compact and easy to carry out under electical control...can demolish concrete at a high efficiency.

Am posting this because the methods described above might possibly have been adaptable in a Directed Energy demolition of the WTC Towers and without the use of thermitics; perhaps in combination with the conductivity of the steel-framed structures and with the applied current adjusted to below the melting point of concrete.

Edited last paragraph and link title.

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-12-06   18:54:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: GreyLmist, RickyJ, All, *9-11* (#106) (Edited)

A plasma arc as a Directed Energy source in conjunction with electrification of concrete surfaces, eh?

OMG.

You've never heard of arc welding? So now arc welders are weapons of mass destruction capable of tearing down buildings?

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-12-06   19:00:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: FormerLurker (#107) (Edited)

OMG.

You've never heard of arc welding? So now arc welders are weapons of mass destruction capable of tearing down buildings?

Try again to understand what was posted from the Patent link and what I stated; none of which was in the context of welding, regardless of what the Patented applications were intended for when designed. Reposted from #106 for you:

Am posting this because the methods described above might possibly have been adaptable in a Directed Energy demolition of the WTC Towers and without the use of thermitics; perhaps in combination with the conductivity of the steel-framed structures and with the applied current adjusted to below the melting point of concrete.

Edited both paragraphs.

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