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Title: Alex Jones Compars Judy Wood 911 Analysis to "Space Beams"
Source: you tube
URL Source: http://youtu.be/3p5VibTaUeQ
Published: Dec 1, 2012
Author: Santilli Covering AJ/Bermas Idiocy
Post Date: 2012-12-01 09:57:34 by abraxas
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Views: 2768
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#38. To: GreyLmist, RickyJ (#36)

bilious jibes don't amount to a counterargument

Not in the real world.

"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry

wudidiz  posted on  2012-12-05   1:04:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#39. To: GreyLmist, RickyJ (#37)

What you think of her or the WMD aspect of 9/11 investigations changes nothing of the issues that can't be chalked up to conventional controlled demolitions.

There is not ONE thing which can't be "chaulked up" to conventional EXPLOSIVES, let alone that which could be "chaulked up" to explosives based on nano-thermite.

Nano-thermite would be the way to go if they didn't want evidence of conventional explosives found in the debris. Now they can have people post on forums saying that no traces of explosives have been found.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-12-05   1:34:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#40. To: FormerLurker (#39)

There is not ONE thing which can't be "chaulked up" to conventional EXPLOSIVES, let alone that which could be "chaulked up" to explosives based on nano-thermite.

Nano-thermite would be the way to go if they didn't want evidence of conventional explosives found in the debris.

I disagree with both of those statements. For someone who claimed in this post not to have looked into nano-thermite in any depth until less than two weeks ago, you seem to have like a religious fervor for the stuff. The magnitude of powers you've attributed to it are way over-estimated.

Now they can have people post on forums saying that no traces of explosives have been found.

Jones' alleged samples are rubbish. He and his crew didn't even try to find traces of conventional explosives. Those are plain facts and have nothing to do with your misdirected imagineerings about people like me. It's ok to realize that he's been misleading people -- kind of like "Mr. Thermite Sandman". Just shake it off and leave his deceptive snare.

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GreyLmist  posted on  2012-12-05   4:00:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#41. To: FormerLurker (#39)

P.S. I'll be addressing your demolition claims further when I get back to the thread where I notified you that I'd be doing that, eventually.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-12-05   6:53:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#42. To: GreyLmist, Skydrifter (#33)

NORAD commander, Gen. Arnold, states at 4:58 that no one would have known the intent of the hijackers and, without that, [paraphrasing] a shoot down order would have been unjustifiable: 9/11 Military Response

The good General is wrong. Those jets werre off course and had every right to be shot down.

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2012-12-05   16:28:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#43. To: GreyLmist (#40)

I disagree with both of those statements. For someone who claimed in this post not to have looked into nano-thermite in any depth until less than two weeks ago, you seem to have like a religious fervor for the stuff. The magnitude of powers you've attributed to it are way over-estimated.

I would have thought the issue would have been looked into by now. Apparently it hadn't, and yes, the military along with at least one national laboratory were actively looking into nanothermite explosives since at least the 90's.

THAT is a fact, unlike your fictional "energy beam" weapon which you can't seem to find any info on, and can't describe where it'd be situated in order to destroy the WTC towers.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-12-05   16:52:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#44. To: GreyLmist (#40)

Jones' alleged samples are rubbish. He and his crew didn't even try to find traces of conventional explosives.

Uh huh. Where's your data which makes this a "fact"? And how do you know what exactly they tried to find or didn't?

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-12-05   16:53:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#45. To: FormerLurker (#44) (Edited)

Hi FL

I worked 2 decades + front end....fabricating oil/nat gas process systems.
CNC underwater cut/Cryogenic nitrogen - plasma gantry,
move plate and finished vessels with 50 ton remote control cranes.
I have many years of metallurgy,ultrasound insp ticket,...nuclear weld xray
senior burner....machine operator.
We used 2" boxed column as supports under pressure vessels which went into ovens with 24 fired gas burners and heat treated/equalized the vessels welds for over 12 hours sometimes.....above the pissy useless value of burning avfuel.....neither the 2" boxed supports...nor the pressure vessel ....nor even the railcar which loaded all into a huge oven...melted,failed,...saged.
Its BS that the 64 2" core columns failed in the carbon based fire after the jet fuel was consumed.
so it requires assisted intervention....where you see fountains of molten steel and alloy flow out of the towers like a waterfall.....thats the Nano - thermate/thermite...doing its thing.
yet still...you can see the top portion of the tower pivot over centre and lean...some 30 plus floors...and become powder in milliseconds!
Thats a directed energy weapon!

This ends the BS that Moo si lums did 9-11.
Only dept's and here....its like Area 51 stuff.....have access to Directed Energy weapons.
The people who want to take down Iraq,A stan,Libya and Syria are the ones who did 9- 11
Zbigniew B and Grand chessboard/Fake war on Terror.....9-11 was the kick off for the next phase.

Parrot with speed dial  posted on  2012-12-05   17:23:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#46. To: Parrot with speed dial (#45)

you can see the top portion of the tower pivot over centre and lean...some 30 plus floors...and become powder in milliseconds! Thats a directed energy weapon!

There is not one directed energy weapon that I am aware of which can turn concrete to dust.

There ARE explosives however which can, and DO, accomplish that. Ever see a controlled demolition?

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-12-05   17:58:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#47. To: FormerLurker, Parrot with speed dial, all (#46)

Ever see a controlled demolition?

Conventional explosives don't cause molecular dissociation which was seen at the wtc.

"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry

wudidiz  posted on  2012-12-05   19:00:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#48. To: BTP Holdings (#42) (Edited)

The good General is wrong. Those jets werre off course and had every right to be shot down.

I have to strongly disagree with everything you said there except "good General". It's a good thing, imo, that it's not your decision to order a death sentence for passengers and crews if the jets they're on go off course -- due to equipment malfunction or otherwise. That could also get some people and building-properties on the ground needlessly obliterated too when the situation might have been more humanely resolvable.

Edited for spelling and spacing.

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GreyLmist  posted on  2012-12-05   19:59:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#49. To: wudidiz (#47)

Conventional explosives don't cause molecular dissociation which was seen at the wtc.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!

Do you even know what molecular dissociation IS, or are you just using a word you found at one of your psuedoscience sites?

Name me ONE, just ONE, REAL "directed energy" weapon which could cause such a thing.

Again, I don't mean something you find on science fiction shows, like Star Trek. I mean something REAL.

BTW, did you personally analyze the WTC debris and find that there were any "unassociated molecules"? If so, please describe to me the analysis, ie. what procedures and what instruments were used to make such a determination.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-12-05   20:10:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#50. To: FormerLurker (#43)

the military along with at least one national laboratory were actively looking into nanothermite explosives since at least the 90's.

THAT is a fact

This is about the third time now that I've tried to ask you this question but so what? That's their job and they've been actively looking at Directed Energy weaponry systems for much longer than that.

unlike your fictional "energy beam" weapon which you can't seem to find any info on, and can't describe where it'd be situated in order to destroy the WTC towers.

Oh, that's rich, as the saying goes -- rich in Chutzpah. Your off-kilter, evidentiary double-standards are mighty funny, considering that merely the name "Dov Zakheim" equates to evidence of remote controlled 9/11 planes in your opinion and the Military doing its job in the field of explosives as evidence enough that thermitics brought the Towers down, as Jones sure doesn't have any credible evidence for you to bank on that agent so persistently.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-12-05   20:32:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#51. To: FormerLurker, wudidiz (#49) (Edited)

Tell us the one about how those vehicles were demolished by conventional controlled demolition with some majikal nanothermite in the "pancake mix", FL. And what do you call that story? Reminds me somewhat of "Little Black Sambo".

Edited to reword the first two sentences and this one.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-12-05   21:01:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#52. To: GreyLmist (#50)

This is about the third time now that I've tried to ask you this question but so what? That's their job and they've been actively looking at Directed Energy weaponry systems for much longer than that.

What it comes down to is that unlike your wishful thinking and baseless assertions concerning disintegrator beams from space, nanothermite explosives DO most likely exist.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-12-05   21:53:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#53. To: GreyLmist (#50)

Oh, that's rich

Yes, it sure is. It's VERY rich that you can't even tell us where you think that "directed energy beam" weapon was fired from in order to destroy the WTC towers, since you are INSISTING that is what happened.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-12-05   21:54:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#54. To: GreyLmist (#51)

Tell us the one about how those vehicles were demolished by conventional controlled demolition with some majikal nanothermite in the "pancake mix", FL.

Hey genius, tell us how a nuclear explosion occured in the WTC towers and nobody noticed.

As far as your ridiculous comments, DEBRIS can and DOES damage objects in its path. Being that you can't even spell magical, I can see how you might not understand such things.

Yep, new generation explosives don't exist, in your mind, yet Captain Kirk's phaser beams from space actually do.

You are one messed up unit.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-12-05   21:57:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#55. To: FormerLurker, Parrot with speed dial (#46)

There is not one directed energy weapon that I am aware of which can turn concrete to dust.

After you walk us through all the stuff at Area 51 and similar secretive installations here of which you are aware and declare that's all there is cuz that's all the stashes you are aware of, I'd like to hear your report on "that's all there is cuz that's all the stashes you are aware of" after you come back from running through all of the secretive installations in foreign places like the UK, France, Russia, China, Israel...

Ever see a controlled demolition?

Just my opinion, but I don't think it's good protocol to talk down so to that Parrot with speed dial. He seems to be immensely more aware of the overall picture at the WTC than you.

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GreyLmist  posted on  2012-12-05   22:03:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#56. To: FormerLurker (#54)

In your mind you already have it all figured out and everyone one else on planet earth that does not agree with every aspect of the story that you have magically worked out to the smallest detail.... well those that oppose you must be with the terrorists.

Fucking stupid.

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titorite  posted on  2012-12-05   22:27:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#57. To: FormerLurker (#46)

There is not one directed energy weapon that I am aware of which can turn concrete to dust.

There ARE explosives however which can, and DO, accomplish that. Ever see a controlled demolition?

Sure....I agree with you there.
Yet the reports of first responders and people near the Towers when they each fell,
they experienced an unseen force which pressed against them....similar to the force you feel when magnets repel.
Some were lifted of their feet and thrown,....this is just before the towers falling.
The various US military Microwave weapons are evidence of Directed energy.
Myself....see the evidence for controlled cutting by nano Thermate/Thermite of core columns....the steel in the building.
I would suggest the concrete of the building was loaded by some kind of phasic directed energy weapon which vibrated the concrete molecules.
any number of known forces...like sound...can shatter bonds in materials.
everything we see and touch is actually in a state of vibration,....by changing the vibration by frequency....loading that.....you can shatter atomic bonds,....the material simply flys apart.

Parrot with speed dial  posted on  2012-12-05   22:30:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#58. To: FormerLurker (#49)

Name me ONE, just ONE, REAL "directed energy" weapon which could cause such a thing.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directed-energy_weapons

If you can not click a link that has been given to you repeated times for a question you have asked over and over then your a fucking idiot not worthy of the attention people waste on you.

fucking disinformationalst tool.

_______________________________________________________________________________ The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself,Take Action!!!

titorite  posted on  2012-12-05   22:35:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#59. To: FormerLurker, James Deffenbach (#54)

Being that you can't even spell magical, I can see how you might not understand such things.

I spelled it that way on purpose because I don't consider it magical, as you apparently do -- also because that's the way 9/11 majikal jet fuel is spelled around here. If you don't believe me, go ask James Deffenbach. He's the classifier and expert on that subject and is where I learned of that dastardly fuelery. Do try harder to get on the same page about it.

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GreyLmist  posted on  2012-12-05   22:49:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#60. To: GreyLmist (#59)

I spelled it that way on purpose because I don't consider it magical, as you apparently do -- also because that's the way 9/11 majikal jet fuel is spelled around here. If you don't believe me, go ask James Deffenbach. He's the classifier and expert on that subject and is where I learned of that dastardly fuelery. Do try harder to get on the same page about it.

Yeah, I often talk about the "magickal jet fuel" that reconstituted itself over and over, burned hotter than any ever had before or since and melted steel beams which also had never happened before. I got that spelling from buck iirc. Of course I know how magical is spelled and I suspect he does too but I just think it is funny.

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James Deffenbach  posted on  2012-12-05   23:09:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#61. To: FormerLurker (#53)

you can't even tell us where you think that "directed energy beam" weapon was fired from in order to destroy the WTC towers

As usual, no matter how many times you're told something, it's like in one ear and out the other with you. As I said to you before, I wouldn't rule out that something devastating was directed from underground in the vicinty. Additionally, if you were really interested at all in the topic, you'd find various reasonable discussions of the possibilites roundabout on the net -- a boat in the area, for one example. Not necessarily "space" stationed, as you like to demean the subject matter.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-12-05   23:22:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#62. To: titorite (#58)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directed-energy_weapons

If you can not click a link that has been given to you repeated times for a question you have asked over and over then your a fucking idiot not worthy of the attention people waste on you.

fucking disinformationalst tool.

Did you even bother reading the link you posted you fucking retarded Mossad tool?

There is not ONE weapon at that link which could have brought down the towers, and if you don't know that, you're a bigger idiot than I thought you were.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-12-05   23:25:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#63. To: GreyLmist (#61)

I said to you before, I wouldn't rule out that something devastating was directed from underground in the vicinty. Additionally, if you were really interested at all in the topic, you'd find various reasonable discussions of the possibilites roundabout on the net -- a boat in the area, for one example.

Uh huh. Or perhaps those evil Muslims just prayed to Allah and he blew them down with his own breath.

That's about as plausible as what you suggest.

Again, name me ONE weapon which could bring down the WTC towers as they were brought down.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-12-05   23:27:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#64. To: GreyLmist, James Deffenbach (#59)

I spelled it that way on purpose because I don't consider it magical, as you apparently do -- also because that's the way 9/11 majikal jet fuel is spelled around here. If you don't believe me, go ask James Deffenbach.

I believe James and I were discussing this with BeAChooser well before you ever posted on any forum.

And just because you choose to add the word MAGICKAL to the word explosive doesn't mean it would have to be "magical", "majikal", or "magickal" explosives, unlike the jet fuel the government is peddling, or the non-existent super duper beam weapon that you insist brought down the towers.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-12-05   23:31:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#65. To: titorite (#58)

BTW agent titorite, are you saying BOTH nuclear weapons AND beam weapons brought down the towers now? Do you even know what a nuclear blast looks like?

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-12-05   23:39:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#66. To: James Deffenbach, FormerLurker (#60)

Yeah, I often talk about the "magickal jet fuel" that reconstituted itself over and over, burned hotter than any ever had before or since and melted steel beams which also had never happened before. I got that spelling from buck iirc. Of course I know how magical is spelled and I suspect he does too but I just think it is funny.

A hat-tip to buck and you, JD. It is funny. Sobering-like too. So, there ya go, FL. Now you should be up to speed on that issue. Since I hadn't seen it mentioned here for a while, I technically did misspell it. I guess that gives me the patent on the descriptor, majikal-nanothermite. he-he-he.

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GreyLmist  posted on  2012-12-05   23:41:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#67. To: FormerLurker (#64)

I believe James and I were discussing this with BeAChooser...

Yeah, and he would say, "You're a KOOK! ROTFLOL!" One of his standard replies.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.    Lord Acton

The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi

"If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken

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James Deffenbach  posted on  2012-12-05   23:44:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#68. To: FormerLurker (#63)

Again, name me ONE weapon which could bring down the WTC towers as they were brought down.

Dragging your feet on that weaponry-inventory project of secretive installations in the world that I spoke to you about at #55, I see. Let me know when you're ready to give us the Area 51 tour for starters.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-12-05   23:50:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#69. To: James Deffenbach, All (#60)

What it comes down to James is that there is a philosophical notion called Occam's Razor, which dictates that the simplist solution is usually the correct solution.

In other words, rather than jumping to nuclear weapons (which would be serious overkill besides the fact it'd be impossible to hide their use) and far- fetched energy beam weapons which nobody can quite find any info on, and have no evidence of, it's MUCH simpler to work with the assumption that either conventional or advanced explosives were used to bring down those towers.

What all this "nukes and beams" nonsense does is divert attention away from the very real fact that those towers couldn't have fallen because of the "magickal jet fuel", and instead causes those presenting evidence of how impossible it would be for the jet fuel to have been responsible for the collapses to be attacked by self proclaimed "truthers" who care more about who can come up with the wildest stories rather than who can come up with the most factual scientific evidence.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-12-05   23:52:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#70. To: GreyLmist (#68)

So in other words, you admit that there is NO energy beam weapon known to exist that can bring down a structure.

Try to stick to facts and science rather than wild speculation and ficticious weaponry which most likely won't exist for another 100 years.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-12-05   23:54:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#71. To: James Deffenbach (#67)

Yeah, and he would say, "You're a KOOK! ROTFLOL!" One of his standard replies.

Surprised our little friends here haven't started using that expression themselves.

I wonder if one of them is our old pal...

They're obviously on the same "team" at least.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-12-05   23:55:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#72. To: GreyLmist, James Deffenbach (#66)

A hat-tip to buck and you, JD. It is funny

Uh, buckeroo was a government jet fuel story believer. You're confusing him with someone else.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-12-05   23:57:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#73. To: FormerLurker (#65) (Edited)

Do you understand that an investigation of WMDs per 9/11 -- or any other investigation for that matter -- doesn't generally begin with all the answers just because you think it should and think you have all of them?

Edited for punctuation.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-12-05   23:58:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#74. To: GreyLmist (#73)

Do you understand that you don't jump into wild insane speculation that has no basis in probability nor logic, especially when there are valid, plausible, and scientific explanations based on observed phenonema and forensic evidence?

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-12-06   0:01:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#75. To: GreyLmist (#73)

What it comes down to is that there is NO reason why conventional or advanced EXPLOSIVES could not have been used to bring down those towers EXACTLY as they were brought down.

They DO exist, they are KNOWN to exist, and they CAN and DO behave in a way which would have caused the top down collapse of the towers, using precision timing most likely via computer control and wireless signal.

Exploding buildings DO generate dust clouds, as can be seen on any controlled demolition video. Do I need to post that demolition video again, perhaps you'll stop the "explosives can't do that" nonsense for another 50 posts or so, till you think the vid is off the page, then you'll start again I'm sure.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-12-06   0:08:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#76. To: FormerLurker (#72)

A hat-tip to buck and you, JD. It is funny

Uh, buckeroo was a government jet fuel story believer. You're confusing him with someone else.

Uh, passing whichever buck was referenced at #60 -- not by me -- back to you, FL. Mosey on back there and figure it out.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-12-06   0:20:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#77. To: FormerLurker (#69)

the very real fact that those towers couldn't have fallen because of the "magickal jet fuel",

Yeah, it is why I make fun of the magickal jet fuel theory. One of the most preposterous theories the government put out for naive and gullible people to latch on to.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.    Lord Acton

The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi

"If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken

"..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..."  Lawrence M. Vance

Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)

James Deffenbach  posted on  2012-12-06   0:25:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#78. To: FormerLurker (#72)

Uh, buckeroo was a government jet fuel story believer. You're confusing him with someone else.

Oh, I only borrowed his spelling of "magickal." I know he believed the government fairy tale about 9/11.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.    Lord Acton

The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi

"If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken

"..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..."  Lawrence M. Vance

Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)

James Deffenbach  posted on  2012-12-06   0:32:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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