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Title: Alex Jones Compars Judy Wood 911 Analysis to "Space Beams"
Source: you tube
URL Source: http://youtu.be/3p5VibTaUeQ
Published: Dec 1, 2012
Author: Santilli Covering AJ/Bermas Idiocy
Post Date: 2012-12-01 09:57:34 by abraxas
Keywords: None
Views: 3400
Comments: 142

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I believe James and I were discussing this with BeAChooser...

Yeah, and he would say, "You're a KOOK! ROTFLOL!" One of his standard replies.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.    Lord Acton

The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi

"If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken

"..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..."  Lawrence M. Vance

Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)

James Deffenbach  posted on  2012-12-05   23:44:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Again, name me ONE weapon which could bring down the WTC towers as they were brought down.

Dragging your feet on that weaponry-inventory project of secretive installations in the world that I spoke to you about at #55, I see. Let me know when you're ready to give us the Area 51 tour for starters.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-12-05   23:50:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

What it comes down to James is that there is a philosophical notion called Occam's Razor, which dictates that the simplist solution is usually the correct solution.

In other words, rather than jumping to nuclear weapons (which would be serious overkill besides the fact it'd be impossible to hide their use) and far- fetched energy beam weapons which nobody can quite find any info on, and have no evidence of, it's MUCH simpler to work with the assumption that either conventional or advanced explosives were used to bring down those towers.

What all this "nukes and beams" nonsense does is divert attention away from the very real fact that those towers couldn't have fallen because of the "magickal jet fuel", and instead causes those presenting evidence of how impossible it would be for the jet fuel to have been responsible for the collapses to be attacked by self proclaimed "truthers" who care more about who can come up with the wildest stories rather than who can come up with the most factual scientific evidence.

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-12-05   23:52:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

So in other words, you admit that there is NO energy beam weapon known to exist that can bring down a structure.

Try to stick to facts and science rather than wild speculation and ficticious weaponry which most likely won't exist for another 100 years.

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-12-05   23:54:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Yeah, and he would say, "You're a KOOK! ROTFLOL!" One of his standard replies.

Surprised our little friends here haven't started using that expression themselves.

I wonder if one of them is our old pal...

They're obviously on the same "team" at least.

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-12-05   23:55:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

A hat-tip to buck and you, JD. It is funny

Uh, buckeroo was a government jet fuel story believer. You're confusing him with someone else.

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-12-05   23:57:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Do you understand that an investigation of WMDs per 9/11 -- or any other investigation for that matter -- doesn't generally begin with all the answers just because you think it should and think you have all of them?

Edited for punctuation.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-12-05   23:58:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Do you understand that you don't jump into wild insane speculation that has no basis in probability nor logic, especially when there are valid, plausible, and scientific explanations based on observed phenonema and forensic evidence?

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-12-06   0:01:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

What it comes down to is that there is NO reason why conventional or advanced EXPLOSIVES could not have been used to bring down those towers EXACTLY as they were brought down.

They DO exist, they are KNOWN to exist, and they CAN and DO behave in a way which would have caused the top down collapse of the towers, using precision timing most likely via computer control and wireless signal.

Exploding buildings DO generate dust clouds, as can be seen on any controlled demolition video. Do I need to post that demolition video again, perhaps you'll stop the "explosives can't do that" nonsense for another 50 posts or so, till you think the vid is off the page, then you'll start again I'm sure.

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-12-06   0:08:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

A hat-tip to buck and you, JD. It is funny

Uh, buckeroo was a government jet fuel story believer. You're confusing him with someone else.

Uh, passing whichever buck was referenced at #60 -- not by me -- back to you, FL. Mosey on back there and figure it out.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-12-06   0:20:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

the very real fact that those towers couldn't have fallen because of the "magickal jet fuel",

Yeah, it is why I make fun of the magickal jet fuel theory. One of the most preposterous theories the government put out for naive and gullible people to latch on to.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.    Lord Acton

The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi

"If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken

"..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..."  Lawrence M. Vance

Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)

James Deffenbach  posted on  2012-12-06   0:25:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Uh, buckeroo was a government jet fuel story believer. You're confusing him with someone else.

Oh, I only borrowed his spelling of "magickal." I know he believed the government fairy tale about 9/11.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.    Lord Acton

The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi

"If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken

"..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..."  Lawrence M. Vance

Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)

James Deffenbach  posted on  2012-12-06   0:32:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Did you even bother reading the link you posted you fucking retarded Mossad tool?

There is not ONE weapon at that link which could have brought down the towers, and if you don't know that, you're a bigger idiot than I thought you were.

So in otherwords you are a lying shit that is to lazy or too unwilling to click a link.

All the information is there and your pronouncements doesn't change that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directed-energy_weapons

FOLKS , BYSTANDERS , DONT BE A LAZY LIAR LIKE FORMER LURKER HERE. IF YOU WANT TO EDUCATE YOURSELF THE INTERNET IS RIGHT HERE AND LINKS HAVE EVEN BEEN PROVIDED. THEIR ARE NASTY ENERGY WEAPONS OUT THERE THAT CAN ATOMIZE STONE AND METAL. THE SHIT IS REAL. DENOUNCING IT BECAUSE IT SOUNDS SCARY OR DISCREDITS A PET THEORY IS FOOLISHNESS.

Don't be like Former Lurker. Don't be foolish. If you want to know the truth you can.... you can look for yourself...Should look for yourself.

Look at his words and look at mine and looks at others.... but at any time if any of us say "DON'T LISTEN TO SO AND SO BECAUSE I SAY SO" That is the suspect you might be wary of.

_______________________________________________________________________________ The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself,Take Action!!!

titorite  posted on  2012-12-06   0:39:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Do you understand that you don't jump into wild insane speculation that has no basis in probability nor logic, especially when there are valid, plausible, and scientific explanations based on observed phenonema and forensic evidence?

You are welcome to leave the 9/11 discussions of WMD probabilities any time you like, if it troubles you so much. Undoubtedly there is no shortage presently of people who will go along with your arguments that conventional controlled demolitions are commonplace; Ergo, the very different, top-down unraveling at the WTC can likewise be compared and explained away so, too, but I'm not one of them. You're seemingly on a mission to dumb-down 9/11 for mass-market appeal and I am currently not interested in fencing back and forth about it, so I'll find something else to do for the time-being and leave this study-guide here for you to contend with. There are, of course, better samplings but they'd likely get kicked to the curb or down a memory hole by you anyway, so I reckoned against extra-expenditures of energy to provide a variety. Thought you might at least give this one more than a quick scan or dismissal out-of-hand without even reading it if you saw the word mossad in the title:

ronmossad A final word on Niels Harrit, nanothermite, 9-11 truth and basic common sense

It's hard for me...or anyone with a modicum of common sense to take this report seriously when the items they based this report on were given to them by residents of Lower Manhattan almost SIX YEARS after the Towers fell. These samples were not kept in sterile environments by any stretch of the imagination and were handled by ordinary, non-scientist New Yorkers. The paper also never actually says that material in question is nanothermite or even regular thermite......rather that...

These observations reminded us of nano-thermite [sic]

The material they found, that had been contaminated over six years, reminded them of nanothermite or regular thermite but probably nanothermite no really it's almost definitely the nano kind. Or it might be just regular paint. Except that it also has rust and aluminum in it. Which may be a result of the contamination or it may just be because those two substances are present in just about every structure

Edited for spacing.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-12-06   1:35:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

So in otherwords you are a lying shit that is to lazy or too unwilling to click a link.

Hey shit for brains, cut and paste the ONE weapon from that link which you believe brought down the towers. Go ahead and show everyone exactly how smart you are.

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-12-06   1:51:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

You are welcome to leave the 9/11 discussions of WMD probabilities any time you like

You're welcome to use your intelligence anytime you want. I see you're not keen on it too often.

I keep asking you to specify an energy beam weapon which could destroy a structure such as the WTC, yet you can't come up with one which actually COULD.

But that doesn't stop you from attacking those who ask you for evidence of what you say.

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-12-06   1:55:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Yes yes I know you require everyone else to do everything else for you because you can not be bothered to do anything but denounce everyone and everything that does not fit your exact version of the events.

Only the deluded and the guilty act in such a manner. Since you're not smart enough to be one of the guilty planners the process of eliminating insists upon you being a willing dupe. Their is no more retched kind of slave than the one ignorant of his servitude.

We have given you cut and pastes and links and evidence you you continue to act like a 2 year old saying nu uh nu uh nu uh it's fucking pathetic.

Doing anything for you is a pointless gesture because you are a liar, don't you get it? Your word is worthless. Nobody will do things for an untrust worthy cretin like you. People don't do favours over and over for bad people. And you are asking for us to provide you with the same favour that has already been provided for you over and over.

Well no more buddy, you're cut off. Please leave the bar. Do not pass go, do not expect anyone to do anything for you. You would be a fool if you did.

_______________________________________________________________________________ The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself,Take Action!!!

titorite  posted on  2012-12-06   4:01:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

.where you see fountains of molten steel and alloy flow out of the towers like a waterfall.....thats the Nano - thermate/thermite...doing its thing. yet still...you can see the top portion of the tower pivot over centre and lean...some 30 plus floors...and become powder in milliseconds! Thats a directed energy weapon!

And that is entirely plausible as well.

_______________________________________________________________________________ The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself,Take Action!!!

titorite  posted on  2012-12-06   4:29:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Yes yes I know you require everyone else to do everything else for you

Uh, no. YOU claim that YOU know WHAT sort of device was used to bring down the WTC towers, EXCEPT you can't or WON'T tell us what exactly that weapon IS.

So that makes you a snake oil saleman who can't or won't tell his customers what exactly he's selling, yet expects them to get on their knees and throw their money at him as if he's the 2nd coming of Jesus.

What it comes down to is that you are the forum liar, the disinformationalist who sucks so bad at his job that he can't even present a valid or logical argument.

That, or you are one VERY stupid and deluded psychopath, one who believes his own fantasies and get's VERY mad when people see through his lies and asks for any sort of clarification or proof.

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-12-06   4:40:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I think this following article allows people to see what exactly you're all about...

How To Spot a Sociopath

Did you get "programmed" when you were a wee lad, or are you just a natural born psycho?

Edit: I missed the part about the common sociopath being "highly intelligent", so I guess that rules you out. Unless of course you're just PRETENDING to be stupid.

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-12-06   4:44:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Here we go typicical tit for tat?

Do you wanna discuss the topic of the threads? FUCK NO!

You wanna debate my childhood, the big gulp at 7-11 what the fuck ever else you can bring up

Former Lurker YOU ARE A DEVIOUS LYING SOB THAT IS ALWAYS, AND I MEAN ALWAYS ,SIDE TRACKING THESE CONVERSATIONS.

One has to wonder what your cowardly ass fears about people talking about 911 and Direct energy weapons being involved.... because it seems to scare you like a school girl and you do all that you can to denounce it and you have no problem lying to do it.

Shame on you.

Also I've mentioned that I thought it was most likely a form of microwave long ago in another one of these threads you derailed and messed up.

You want me to bring it up again, and again and again..

Like I said, you have been given evidence multiple times. Lots of links and picture have been given. All you do is repeat your calls to be shown what you have been shown already like a repetitive two year old that doesn't know any better. It is as childish as using the black ops ping list as your personal insult tool. Just fucking immature.

You are a fool thinking that people will continue to do for a snake in the grass such as yourself. A bona fide fool.

_______________________________________________________________________________ The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself,Take Action!!!

titorite  posted on  2012-12-06   4:48:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Thank you for posting this abraxas.

It was interesting and sad to see how little regard they have for their audience.

That first caller never even got to make his second comment.

_______________________________________________________________________________ The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself,Take Action!!!

titorite  posted on  2012-12-06   4:57:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

You are a fool thinking that people will continue to do for a snake in the grass such as yourself. A bona fide fool.

Again, you project your faults onto others and overlook the advice you should yourself take.

All I did was ask you to name me ONE "directed energy weapon" which would be capable of bringing down the WTC towers as they were brought down.

You stomp your feet, hurl insults, accuse me of "lying" without saying exactly what it is I'm supposed to be lying about, just because YOU can't name even ONE such weapon.

You posted a link which points to a list of energy weapons, claiming THAT'S the answer. I asked you to name me ONE, just ONE weapon from that list which you feel was responsible for the collapse of the towers, and instead, you tell me that's MY job. Are you a fucking lunatic?

It is YOU who is making a claim, it is YOUR job to tell us what it is exactly you are claiming, not mine or anyone else's.

Grow the fuck up and stop acting like a 2 year old who isn't getting his way.

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-12-06   11:49:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Also I've mentioned that I thought it was most likely a form of microwave long ago in another one of these threads you derailed and messed up.

Oh, so now you're back to microwaves, eh? Are you aware of the fact that even battlefield microwave devices are only capable of causing intense heat under the skin of their human targets?

Microwaves heat up water molecules, thus, since there is no water in concrete and steel, they would NOT be capable of causing ANY damage to the WTC towers nor any other solid structure.

Stop believing every hairbrained tale you hear just because it includes some fancy words you aren't familiar with.

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-12-06   11:54:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Microwaves heat up water molecules, thus, since there is no water in concrete and steel, they would NOT be capable of causing ANY damage to the WTC towers nor any other solid structure.

There is some water in concrete. Rapid heating of it possibly could cause the concrete to explode, but it would take very high levels of microwave radiation to accomplish that for a whole floor, and each floor would have to have a separate microwave generator I think for there to be any chance for this to work. It would require enormous amounts of power as well, which they could not really depend on since power failures are fairly common in New York City.

Tons of explosives make much more sense though. Sure it would take a long time to place all those explosives and it would cost a lot, but the people who planned and carried out 9/11 had plenty of money and plenty of time to do the job right.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2012-12-06   12:57:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The amount of power required to heat up a chunk of concrete would be enormous, never mind that required to heat an entire 110 story building to the point it fell apart.

As an experiment, one could get a small piece of concrete and put it in the microwave oven. Leave it there for 10 minutes, then check the temperature.

I'd wager that it's the same temperature as it was when it was first put in the oven.

I doubt the entire power output of NYC would be sufficient to bring down the WTC towers using microwaves. It just isn't efficient nor feasible.

These "no-planers" latch on to every logically unsound and physically impossible story they lay their eyes on.

I think it's sort of clear what they're really up to.

They try their hardest to eliminate the most likely cause of the collapse, being explosives, and fish through the mud trying to convince people it was really some sort of futuristic weapon which doesn't exist. That or nuclear bombs.

It truly seems that they are trying to convince the public that anyone who disagrees with the official story is a raving lunatic, calling themselves "researchers" and "truthers", themselves attacking the real researchers who have uncovered substantial evidence concerning the demolition of the towers.

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-12-06   13:46:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Tons of explosives make much more sense though. Sure it would take a long time to place all those explosives and it would cost a lot, but the people who planned and carried out 9/11 had plenty of money and plenty of time to do the job right.

Sure...that does make sense.
Yet 9-11 is a message/a claim/hidden occult/...and the kick off to the next phase of Grand Chessboard.
The Airliner flight numbers...even the floors impacted are direct take from Aleister Crowley and his Orient occult forwards.
9-11 is also pre canned CGI....
Yes the towers fell....but you watched CGI overlay...
Cluesforum has loads of evidence for CGI and post event video and photoshop manipulation.
My view on the military/technology side...is they did use directed energy weapon to bring down WTC 1/2
Its a boast and message statement to powers looking in on 9-11,...as the Elite show what they can do...in plain sight.

Parrot with speed dial  posted on  2012-12-06   14:07:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

THEIR ARE NASTY ENERGY WEAPONS OUT THERE THAT CAN ATOMIZE STONE AND METAL.

Uh huh. Besides nuclear bombs, name me ONE, just ONE such weapon which can do as you say.

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-12-06   14:13:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Sorry you've fallen for the "no-planes" disinfo campaign. It's in much greater swing than I had imagined, but after looking over all the fake videos on YouTube and various stooges proclaiming themselves experts, while assassinating the character of actual scientists who have presented bona-fide facts and evidence, I see those behind 9/11 found an effective way to neutralize the 9/11 Truth movement.

Think about it for one full minute. Besides successfully fracturing the truth movement, it buries any real facts, and causes the general public to view "truthers" as lunatics and idiots.

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-12-06   14:17:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

In terms of video manipulation, it is the no-plane promoters who have created the fake videos.

If you watch the actual broadcast videos of that morning, there are NO discrepencies in what was seen. The people of NY City saw with their eyes what everyone else saw on TV.

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-12-06   14:20:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

THEIR ARE NASTY ENERGY WEAPONS OUT THERE THAT CAN ATOMIZE STONE AND METAL.

Uh huh. Besides nuclear bombs, name me ONE, just ONE such weapon which can do as you say.

Any such weapons are in the black budget and buried under layer after layer of classification. Rumors do leak out though. Just as we know that there is, and has been a secret space program, we know that weapons the public are allowed to know about are a minimum of 20 to 30 years behind actual capability. We do know that sonic weapons can achieve that effect and Scalar Weapons (based on Tesla's research and breakthroughs) can likely do the same. We can look at the observed phenomena and infer the existence of a cause e.g., the microfine dust at the WTC Towers when they collapsed. That dust is an unexplained phenomena which has never been observed in any other event. So, it is rational and logical to infer a cause of that phenomena. While we cannot prove the existence of something that exists with in the world of high level weapons research we can infer and deduce its existence from the observed phenomena.

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-12-06   14:21:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

OI, I don't know if there is a secret space program or not, maybe there is.

However, I find it VERY unlikely that we have weapons which basically function like phaser beams.

Sure there are sophisticated anti-missile weapons, designed to be effective in space against incoming ICBMs. They might use high powered lasers for that.

However, beam weapons effective in the atmosphere are highly unlikely at this point in time. Concerning scaler weapons, I had read about scaler waves over a decade ago, but have seen no proof that they are effective as weapons.

Don't you think if we had such sophisticated weaponry they would have been put to use by now in terms of actual warfare?

As far as a beam weapon being used against the WTC towers, let's look at the factors, besides the fact such a weapon most probably doesn't exist.

How would it manage to cause a symetrical top down collapse? Would there be four separate beams aimed at each corner of the building, tracking each floor downwards at the precise time? Where would such weapons be positioned, and where would they derive their power from?

How would they avoid penetrating past the WTC into adjacent buildings?

Again, Occam's Razor indicates the most likely answer is that explosives were used to achieve what was witnessed. It CAN be done, and it WOULD have created dust just as witnessed.

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-12-06   15:05:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

How would they avoid penetrating past the WTC into adjacent buildings?

Again, Occam's Razor indicates the most likely answer is that explosives were used to achieve what was witnessed. It CAN be done, and it WOULD have created dust just as witnessed.

Basic logic like yours above is lacking in today's society. I'm not sure why it is so hard for some people to believe that tons and tons of explosives could turn concrete into fine dust. Why use exotic technology when tested and proved "old fashioned" technology can get the job done easier and cheaper?

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2012-12-06   15:24:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

There is some water in concrete. Rapid heating of it possibly could cause the concrete to explode, but it would take very high levels of microwave radiation to accomplish that for a whole floor, and each floor would have to have a separate microwave generator I think for there to be any chance for this to work. It would require enormous amounts of power as well, which they could not really depend on since power failures are fairly common in New York City.

Am archiving the data below for referencing in considerations of available power that could possibly have been diverted for Directed Energy weaponry usage when shut downs began at 8:46 a.m.; and also regarding the reductions of usage in the area from evacuations, as well:

http://media.nara.gov/9-11/MFR/t-0148-911MFR-00174.pdf

UNCLASSIFIED
Commission Sensitive
MEMORANDUM FOR THE RECORD
Type of event: Interview of Consolidated Edison Company of New York officials
Date: February 26, 2004
Special Access Issues: None

The World Trade Center area was divided into network areas: Park Place Network, World Trade Center Network, Battery Park Network, Cortlandt Network, Fulton Network, and Bowling Green Network. The main power was supplied from Brooklyn.

There were two substations in WTC 7 building, serving the twin towers, and one substation by the South Street Seaport. A total of eight 13 kW feeders were located at the WTC.

Timeline on 9/11/2001:
08:46 a.m. Two WTC open/auto (O/A) 13 kW feeders went off [My Note: Alleged Flt. 11 impacts WTC 1/North Tower within that minute.]
09:02 a.m. Two additional WTC open/auto (O/A) 13 kW went off [My Note: Within the next minute, alleged Flt. 175 impacts WTC 2/South Tower at 9:03 a.m., approx. 17 minutes after WTC 1/North Tower was allegedly impacted.]
09:52 a.m. Four additional open/auto (O/A) 13 kW feeders went off
[My Note: Approx. 7 minutes later, at 9:59 a.m., WTC 2/South Tower falls after burning for approx. 56 minutes.]
10:28 a.m. Status: [My Note: Approx. 29 minutes after WTC 2/South Tower fell, WTC 1/North Tower falls at 10:28 a.m. after burning for approx. 102 minutes. At the time:]

Cortlandt 8 of 15 feeders were off
Battery Park City 6 of 8 feeders were off
Bowling Green 6 of 16 feeders were off
Park Place 1 of 12 feeders were off

Con Ed can lose any 2 feeders, and not lose a network grid. [sic] The NYSE was located in the Bowling Green network. Since all 8 feeders were lost prior to WTC South tower falling, it was possible the lights had gone out before. However, the Port Authority controlled the equipment in the towers and Con Ed did not know exactly what happened inside the towers. They did have maps of the towers and were prepared to help the Port Authority in the event they were needed. As the towers fell, they were destroying sub service station suppliers. By 10:30 a.m. the only place totally out of electricity was the WTC complex.

The evacuation of lower Manhattan reduced the load requirements and helped as the electricity was lost following the collapse. Many building owners turned off the HVAC when they left the buildings so the bad air would not circulate which also saved electricity. Had this attack occurred in hotter summer weather, with the increased use of air conditioning, things could have been worse.

9/11 WTC Timeline references for the notes above in blue:

http://www.wanttoknow.info/9-11cover-up10pg

8:46 AM: Flight 11 crashes into the WTC (World Trade Center) north tower. [approximately 26 minutes after controllers lost contact][New York Times, 9/12/01]

9:03 AM: Flight 175 crashes into the south WTC tower. [23 minutes after NORAD notified, 43 minutes after air traffic control lost contact with pilots][New York Times, 9/12/01, CNN, 9/12/01]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Center#Destruction

At 9:59 a.m., the South Tower collapsed after burning for approximately 56 minutes.

The North Tower collapsed at 10:28 a.m., after burning for approximately 102 minutes.

Edited second blue-note + for highlighting, date formatting and to expand the next to last paragraph of the .gov pdf file excerpts.

Edit to include additional related info and for formatting:

Con Ed suit against Silverstein and Citigroup at 7 WTC dismissed

September 27, 2011 04:05PM

Silverstein’s 7WTCo., an LLC controlled by Silverstein Properties, was charged with two counts of with negligence related to the development of the building. Tenants were apparently permitted to install diesel-fueled backup generators. Claims against Citigroup alleged that “an unreasonable amount of diesel fuel” in two 6,000-gallon tanks was incorporated into the design.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-12-06   15:31:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Why use exotic technology when tested and proved "old fashioned" technology can get the job done easier and cheaper?

Exactly.

AND, if advanced explosives were used, such as nanothermite based explosives, they more than likely would have required MUCH less in terms of quantity and overall weight.

They most likely would have been more powerful and "hotter" as well.

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-12-06   15:36:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Do you have any idea of the amount of power necessary for a laser to heat up a structure enough to cause it to weaken to the point of collapse? Factor in the fact that it would of had to have been fired from space, or hidden VERY damn well at a distance from the WTC, AND there would have had to of been MULTIPLE sources for the building to collapse symetrically.

Add to that idea the fact that any heating effects powerful enough to cause a collapse would have scorched the exterior walls, and caused them to melt (being that the exterior walls were covered with aluminum sheathing).

So no, your beam idea is just plain wacked out and impossible.

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-12-06   15:41:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

In terms of video manipulation, it is the no-plane promoters who have created the fake videos.

If you watch the actual broadcast videos of that morning, there are NO discrepencies in what was seen. The people of NY City saw with their eyes what everyone else saw on TV.

Put down the Zionist opium pipe....

The fact you authenticate 9-11 via the Jewish Supremacist media shows me you have an agenda on 9-11,...and margins the whyfore with the Red Flags going up continually here on this forum with your posts and misdirect routine.

Cluesforum has the days TV 9-11 coverage where the 2nd tower gets hit.
the airliner is all over the map in elevation/floors of the building,...descent,...flight track,
they have it flying in level and straight...and other coverage has it banking with offset wing tilt.
This is proof of CGI overlay.
No 757/767 crashed into the Pentalawn.....86 camera's having their field view coverage confiscated outs them.....or they would be showing that on 9-11 Greatest hits DVD.
same for Shanksville....no airliner disappeared into that rabbit hole.
They could fly an airliner into both WTC towers by computer overide.
or they could slam cruise missiles into the building and overlay the track with a CGI airliner.
or they could blow up those floors with pre set explosives,...and CGI the track/impact and detonation.
The fact is....they can do up 9-11 numerous ways.....and leave people like you ninnying over details.
There's people over at LP who still think Moo si lums pulled it all off ...100 over 100.
Pulling the 9-11 curtain back to catch MR Jew Supremacist and his insider business friends is way more important.....and the subject* the media and gatekeepers on web forums....do not want people to stop and kick the traces over.

Parrot with speed dial  posted on  2012-12-06   16:16:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Put down the Zionist opium pipe....

Hey bud. You might be used to hanging with ziocon traitors on LP, but don't assume everyone here is like your pals over there.

The fact you authenticate 9-11 via the Jewish Supremacist media shows me you have an agenda on 9-11

Ok, I see all you no-planers are total whackjobs, now that you've illuminated me as to your brilliance.

I was posting about how the government story is total bullshit before you even started posting on LP. You're just an idiot who's been suckered in by fast talkers who have nothing of substance except for pure speculation, and who have a habit of attacking ANYONE who has actually done research on 9/11 and who have impressive credentials, such as Dr. Steven Jones along with the thousands of architects, engineers, and scientists who are affiliated with Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth.

So basically anyone who has uncovered strong evidence concerning how 9/11 was an inside job, or reported anything to do with Israeli Mossad involvement in 9/11, is targetted by no-planers and their handlers for attack.

People like you piss off. You've either fallen for the bullshit, or you're part of it.

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-12-06   18:23:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

the airliner is all over the map in elevation/floors of the building,...descent,...flight track, they have it flying in level and straight...and other coverage has it banking with offset wing tilt.

Post a link to that if it exists. All the no-planer claims I've seen were either backed by tampered video, or were outright misrepresentations of what actually took place.

The fact is....they can do up 9-11 numerous ways.....and leave people like you ninnying over details. There's people over at LP who still think Moo si lums pulled it all off ...100 over 100.

And you're convincing those people that they're right by acting like a nut. You can't go from actual facts to outrageous claims which make no logical sense, backed by nothing but people who claim to be interested in truth yet don't care if their own statements are true or not.

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-12-06   18:28:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Cross-referencing #63 To: RickyJ (#59) at 4um Title: 911 and Thermite, The official Conspiracy Theory?

RickyJ: if you don't think it was possible in 2001 for a thermite technology to turn concrete to dust, think again!

www.google.com/patents?id...oom=4#v=onepage&q&f=false

Me: A plasma arc as a Directed Energy source in conjunction with electrification of concrete surfaces, eh? Interesting, but since it speaks of dust reduction by melting concrete into molten concrete, it doesn't quite fit the dustification evidence at the WTC.

Excerpts from the above link for:

[US] Patent number: 5532449
Filing date: Aug 29, 1994
Issue date: Jul 2, 1996

the present invention...melts a surface of a concrete structure...the present invention is free of a potential fire because of the capability of controlling the heating, and does not produce any noise...applicable to both small-sized and large-sized concrete demolishing apparatus...if desired, a switch can be utilized to apply a signal to control means...An input terminal of a control means is connected to the wiring between the direct current source and the electrode to provide control means with a signal...The dummy electrode is provided because it greatly increases the amount of the concrete which is melted. Preferably, the dummy electrode is of a material with good electrical and thermal conductivities...the present invention...is also applicable to a large scale demolition of a concrete structure. For example, a large concrete demolishing apparatus having two large electrodes, a control system...the large electrodes in such a manner as to interlock with the generation and stoppage of a voltage applied to the large electrodes. The two large electrodes are positioned in close proximity to a surface of a concrete structure. Then, an arc discharge is induced between the two electrodes...compact and easy to carry out under electical control...can demolish concrete at a high efficiency.

Am posting this because the methods described above might possibly have been adaptable in a Directed Energy demolition of the WTC Towers and without the use of thermitics; perhaps in combination with the conductivity of the steel-framed structures and with the applied current adjusted to below the melting point of concrete.

Edited last paragraph and link title.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-12-06   18:54:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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