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Title: Alex Jones Compars Judy Wood 911 Analysis to "Space Beams"
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Published: Dec 1, 2012
Author: Santilli Covering AJ/Bermas Idiocy
Post Date: 2012-12-01 09:57:34 by abraxas
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#1. To: abraxas (#0)
Indeed , it pays to know the information from the horses mouth.
_______________________________________________________________________________ The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself,Take Action!!!
I've never been an AJ fan.......if you need a bullhorn to get people to listen to you, then you don't have anything pertinent to say, IMHO. He's so rude to people....why do so many follow like sheep?
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
LOL! I need a copy of those posters.
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
Says it all, eh
Your question answers itself. The traits of self reliance and rugged individualism have been systematically eliminated from Western populations. The title says it all. I wonder if AJ would be surprised to know that NORAD controlled the planes that hit the Twin Towers? Just asking. ROTFLOL! "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
LOL.....touche! " If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
The self proclaimed "truther" has to put up the gates on alternate perspectives, as Alex wouldn't want any followers to think for themselves if their thoughts are not aligned with his. William Cooper had him pinned from the get go.
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
its simplistic to assume that listeners are "followers/sheep" particularly given the fact that jones harshest critics are former listeners/fans.Also the list of colleages he's burnt bridges with.Its Ok to listen to many radio shows/sources.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
One recent defector from the jones camp is Mark Dice. Its amusing but pitiful his obsession on revenge with jones.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
Didn't watch the video since I don't really care to hear anything about Judy Woods or Alex Jones. Dis-info agents putting on a show fight while they all peddle dis-info and sheep eat it up. There is no real rift in 9/11 truth movement, just among the sheep who don't think for themselves.
God is always good!
If you are seeking entertainment then it is OK to listen to people like Jones, Limbaugh, Mark Dice, Judy Woods etc..., but if you are seeking facts and the truth, look elsewhere. God is always good!
what radio shows do you like or recommend? i listen to quite a bit of podcasts. Some of my faves are iamthewitness, dr. kevin barrett, dr katherine albrecht, ZCF, FreeTalkLive, & Mike Rivero.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
The fact is that most every anti-zionist got their start either as a jones supporter or a jones colleague. Honest people will give credit to the large body of very good work jones has done & still does on a wide variety of issues.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
The answer is AJ knows that the planes were remote controlled. Judy Woods says there were no planes. It was just a figment of our imaginations, a product of lasers.
I agree in part, but how do you account for fans who continue to tune in after insults for not hopping onto his bandwagon? I see his harshest critics as those who once tuned in but now tune out as well...because they are on to his game. Yes, multiple sources broadens perspective. " If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
Of your list, Mike Rivero. I also like Pete Santilli and Jeff Rense broadcasts. Unfortunately, I haven't had the time to tune into many shows lately. Are all your recommendations on the web?
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
He must have been taking notes on obsession/revenge from Jones as he has a long history of such pitiful behavior. " If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
Me neither. He's always struck me as being a phoney and a likely government operative. For years I've said that his purpose, as well as the purpose of infowars and Paul Watson, was to gather information on people who go to their web site and/or call into Jones' radio show. I've caught heat for that view many times over the years on this site by his fans. Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because he doesn't come over and break your window - unknown I WITHDRAW MY CONSENT! I'd rather have them as stickers small enough to put on the back window of my truck. Of course, Republican and Democrat voters wouldn't see the sarcasm and disgust. Instead at every stop light I would have to put up with them singing God Bless America and praising me for being an American hero. Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because he doesn't come over and break your window - unknown I WITHDRAW MY CONSENT! I agree completely. My AJ views have also caused heat with a few of his more fanatical followers. Sometimes they are quite cult like. : )
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
No one does more. Some people think that unless you bang the Jew gong all day that you're a shill. Treason has conspired with Greed and Murder in "OUR" country. I will not be an accomplice ! "Bankers" - Kill em all and let Satan sort em out" !!!
Window stickers would be great but the blind patriotism response would merit an additional Barf Bag on Board sign. : )
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
Based on what evidence? Virtually none, really, and much contradicts the remote control storyline. Jason Bermas agrees with No Planers: Loose Change 911 ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Not so sure it was "remote control", exactly. The plane's controls were over-ridden. The pilots had no control over their aircraft. "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
I supose it was all a figment of our imaginations. Those planes really hit the buildings. Besides, there were reports of explosions inside the buildings before they collapsed. Thes likely were cutting charges to shear off the columnar supports in strategic places so the towers would collapse. BTW, FED GOV flew a 747 from Hawaii to Austalia wit NO PILOT on board. "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
9-11 Israel’s Masterpiece Lost Scribe Media ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
I'm not under the impression that advanced remote control technology doesn't exist. The thing is, you could tell that to a judge...even assert that Dov Zakheim profits much from being in the business...and it proves nothing evidentiary re: 9/11. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
That does not change the fact that 9-11 was Made in Israel. ;) "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
She is nutty as a fruitcake! ;) "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
As nearly as I can tell, the FAA was uniquely the controlling agency. I suspect that the 'famous' fighter jets which scrambled were actually impulsive and rogue pilot decisions - controlled, again, by the FAA.
SKYDRIFTER: As nearly as I can tell, the FAA was uniquely the controlling agency. I suspect that the 'famous' fighter jets which scrambled were actually impulsive and rogue pilot decisions - controlled, again, by the FAA. In this YouTube video, NORAD commander, Gen. Arnold, states at 4:58 that no one would have known the intent of the hijackers and, without that, [paraphrasing] a shoot down order would have been unjustifiable: 9/11 Military Response The disturbing part of that video, imo, is at the end where it's reported that any shoot down decisions here have been delegated since 9/11 to NORAD, which is a joint Canadian partnership. Sure, Gen. Arnold is dutifully logical and ethical enough on the hijack issue but what if a Canadian commander ordered a passenger jet here blasted out of the sky without even trying to bring it to a safe landing somehow? Sovereignty infringing, to say the least. On the FAA: Finding the Truth.pdf - CheckTheEvidence.com: Ch. 7, A Touch of “The Hidden Hand”?, pg. 82 Edited for grammar and spelling. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Keep promoting youtubes produced by government agents and posting crackpot stories from Judy Wood about space beams destroying the towers and you will earn your paycheck. God is always good!
I am not sure what AJ knows or doesn't know, but Judy Woods is not a reliable source of info for really anything, yet certain people keep pushing her 9/11 stories. The 9/11 truth movement is trying to be made into a laughing stock by these jokers to make sure the general population does not investigate the events of 9/11 and realize they have been lied to by the media and government for years. If widespread knowledge of the truth of 9/11 came out then Israel would be history just like Alan Saborsky said they would be. It is the state of Israel, Mossad and CIA agents, as well as those in the government and military that cooperated with this false flag event that are using every means available to discredit the 9/11 truth movement with wackos like Judy Wood. God is always good!
It doesn't matter how many times you keep making false claims about me getting paid to post what you disagree with, you're still wrong each and every time. Be advised that bilious jibes don't amount to a counterargument.
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Low opinions of Judy Wood are irrelevant to the facts that planes don't explain the devastation at the WTC, nor does thermitics. The same devastation can be seen in newsclips. The question of exotic weaponry didn't originate with her anyway. That's traceable to Christopher Bollyn, all the way back to February 2002 -- long before she arrived in the 9/11 research community whether you like it or not. What you think of her or the WMD aspect of 9/11 investigations changes nothing of the issues that can't be chalked up to conventional controlled demolitions.
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Not in the real world. There is not ONE thing which can't be "chaulked up" to conventional EXPLOSIVES, let alone that which could be "chaulked up" to explosives based on nano-thermite. Nano-thermite would be the way to go if they didn't want evidence of conventional explosives found in the debris. Now they can have people post on forums saying that no traces of explosives have been found. Nano-thermite would be the way to go if they didn't want evidence of conventional explosives found in the debris. I disagree with both of those statements. For someone who claimed in this post not to have looked into nano-thermite in any depth until less than two weeks ago, you seem to have like a religious fervor for the stuff. The magnitude of powers you've attributed to it are way over-estimated. Jones' alleged samples are rubbish. He and his crew didn't even try to find traces of conventional explosives. Those are plain facts and have nothing to do with your misdirected imagineerings about people like me. It's ok to realize that he's been misleading people -- kind of like "Mr. Thermite Sandman". Just shake it off and leave his deceptive snare. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
P.S. I'll be addressing your demolition claims further when I get back to the thread where I notified you that I'd be doing that, eventually.
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
The good General is wrong. Those jets werre off course and had every right to be shot down. "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
I would have thought the issue would have been looked into by now. Apparently it hadn't, and yes, the military along with at least one national laboratory were actively looking into nanothermite explosives since at least the 90's. THAT is a fact, unlike your fictional "energy beam" weapon which you can't seem to find any info on, and can't describe where it'd be situated in order to destroy the WTC towers. Uh huh. Where's your data which makes this a "fact"? And how do you know what exactly they tried to find or didn't? Hi FL I worked 2 decades + front end....fabricating oil/nat gas process systems. This ends the BS that Moo si lums did 9-11.
There is not one directed energy weapon that I am aware of which can turn concrete to dust. There ARE explosives however which can, and DO, accomplish that. Ever see a controlled demolition? Conventional explosives don't cause molecular dissociation which was seen at the wtc. I have to strongly disagree with everything you said there except "good General". It's a good thing, imo, that it's not your decision to order a death sentence for passengers and crews if the jets they're on go off course -- due to equipment malfunction or otherwise. That could also get some people and building-properties on the ground needlessly obliterated too when the situation might have been more humanely resolvable. Edited for spelling and spacing. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
LOL!!!!!!!!!! Do you even know what molecular dissociation IS, or are you just using a word you found at one of your psuedoscience sites? Name me ONE, just ONE, REAL "directed energy" weapon which could cause such a thing. Again, I don't mean something you find on science fiction shows, like Star Trek. I mean something REAL. BTW, did you personally analyze the WTC debris and find that there were any "unassociated molecules"? If so, please describe to me the analysis, ie. what procedures and what instruments were used to make such a determination. THAT is a fact This is about the third time now that I've tried to ask you this question but so what? That's their job and they've been actively looking at Directed Energy weaponry systems for much longer than that. Oh, that's rich, as the saying goes -- rich in Chutzpah. Your off-kilter, evidentiary double-standards are mighty funny, considering that merely the name "Dov Zakheim" equates to evidence of remote controlled 9/11 planes in your opinion and the Military doing its job in the field of explosives as evidence enough that thermitics brought the Towers down, as Jones sure doesn't have any credible evidence for you to bank on that agent so persistently. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Tell us the one about how those vehicles were demolished by conventional controlled demolition with some majikal nanothermite in the "pancake mix", FL. And what do you call that story? Reminds me somewhat of "Little Black Sambo". Edited to reword the first two sentences and this one. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
What it comes down to is that unlike your wishful thinking and baseless assertions concerning disintegrator beams from space, nanothermite explosives DO most likely exist. Yes, it sure is. It's VERY rich that you can't even tell us where you think that "directed energy beam" weapon was fired from in order to destroy the WTC towers, since you are INSISTING that is what happened. Hey genius, tell us how a nuclear explosion occured in the WTC towers and nobody noticed. As far as your ridiculous comments, DEBRIS can and DOES damage objects in its path. Being that you can't even spell magical, I can see how you might not understand such things. Yep, new generation explosives don't exist, in your mind, yet Captain Kirk's phaser beams from space actually do. You are one messed up unit. After you walk us through all the stuff at Area 51 and similar secretive installations here of which you are aware and declare that's all there is cuz that's all the stashes you are aware of, I'd like to hear your report on "that's all there is cuz that's all the stashes you are aware of" after you come back from running through all of the secretive installations in foreign places like the UK, France, Russia, China, Israel... Just my opinion, but I don't think it's good protocol to talk down so to that Parrot with speed dial. He seems to be immensely more aware of the overall picture at the WTC than you. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
In your mind you already have it all figured out and everyone one else on planet earth that does not agree with every aspect of the story that you have magically worked out to the smallest detail.... well those that oppose you must be with the terrorists. Fucking stupid. _______________________________________________________________________________ The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself,Take Action!!!
There ARE explosives however which can, and DO, accomplish that. Ever see a controlled demolition? Sure....I agree with you there.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directed-energy_weapons If you can not click a link that has been given to you repeated times for a question you have asked over and over then your a fucking idiot not worthy of the attention people waste on you. fucking disinformationalst tool. _______________________________________________________________________________ The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself,Take Action!!!
I spelled it that way on purpose because I don't consider it magical, as you apparently do -- also because that's the way 9/11 majikal jet fuel is spelled around here. If you don't believe me, go ask James Deffenbach. He's the classifier and expert on that subject and is where I learned of that dastardly fuelery. Do try harder to get on the same page about it. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Yeah, I often talk about the "magickal jet fuel" that reconstituted itself over and over, burned hotter than any ever had before or since and melted steel beams which also had never happened before. I got that spelling from buck iirc. Of course I know how magical is spelled and I suspect he does too but I just think it is funny. Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi "If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken "..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..." Lawrence M. Vance Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)
As usual, no matter how many times you're told something, it's like in one ear and out the other with you. As I said to you before, I wouldn't rule out that something devastating was directed from underground in the vicinty. Additionally, if you were really interested at all in the topic, you'd find various reasonable discussions of the possibilites roundabout on the net -- a boat in the area, for one example. Not necessarily "space" stationed, as you like to demean the subject matter. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
If you can not click a link that has been given to you repeated times for a question you have asked over and over then your a fucking idiot not worthy of the attention people waste on you. fucking disinformationalst tool. Did you even bother reading the link you posted you fucking retarded Mossad tool? There is not ONE weapon at that link which could have brought down the towers, and if you don't know that, you're a bigger idiot than I thought you were. Uh huh. Or perhaps those evil Muslims just prayed to Allah and he blew them down with his own breath. That's about as plausible as what you suggest. Again, name me ONE weapon which could bring down the WTC towers as they were brought down. I believe James and I were discussing this with BeAChooser well before you ever posted on any forum. And just because you choose to add the word MAGICKAL to the word explosive doesn't mean it would have to be "magical", "majikal", or "magickal" explosives, unlike the jet fuel the government is peddling, or the non-existent super duper beam weapon that you insist brought down the towers. BTW agent titorite, are you saying BOTH nuclear weapons AND beam weapons brought down the towers now? Do you even know what a nuclear blast looks like? A hat-tip to buck and you, JD. It is funny. Sobering-like too. So, there ya go, FL. Now you should be up to speed on that issue. Since I hadn't seen it mentioned here for a while, I technically did misspell it. I guess that gives me the patent on the descriptor, majikal-nanothermite. he-he-he. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Yeah, and he would say, "You're a KOOK! ROTFLOL!" One of his standard replies. Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi "If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken "..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..." Lawrence M. Vance Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)
Dragging your feet on that weaponry-inventory project of secretive installations in the world that I spoke to you about at #55, I see. Let me know when you're ready to give us the Area 51 tour for starters. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
What it comes down to James is that there is a philosophical notion called Occam's Razor, which dictates that the simplist solution is usually the correct solution. In other words, rather than jumping to nuclear weapons (which would be serious overkill besides the fact it'd be impossible to hide their use) and far- fetched energy beam weapons which nobody can quite find any info on, and have no evidence of, it's MUCH simpler to work with the assumption that either conventional or advanced explosives were used to bring down those towers. What all this "nukes and beams" nonsense does is divert attention away from the very real fact that those towers couldn't have fallen because of the "magickal jet fuel", and instead causes those presenting evidence of how impossible it would be for the jet fuel to have been responsible for the collapses to be attacked by self proclaimed "truthers" who care more about who can come up with the wildest stories rather than who can come up with the most factual scientific evidence. So in other words, you admit that there is NO energy beam weapon known to exist that can bring down a structure. Try to stick to facts and science rather than wild speculation and ficticious weaponry which most likely won't exist for another 100 years. Surprised our little friends here haven't started using that expression themselves. I wonder if one of them is our old pal... They're obviously on the same "team" at least. Uh, buckeroo was a government jet fuel story believer. You're confusing him with someone else. Do you understand that an investigation of WMDs per 9/11 -- or any other investigation for that matter -- doesn't generally begin with all the answers just because you think it should and think you have all of them? Edited for punctuation. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Do you understand that you don't jump into wild insane speculation that has no basis in probability nor logic, especially when there are valid, plausible, and scientific explanations based on observed phenonema and forensic evidence?
What it comes down to is that there is NO reason why conventional or advanced EXPLOSIVES could not have been used to bring down those towers EXACTLY as they were brought down. They DO exist, they are KNOWN to exist, and they CAN and DO behave in a way which would have caused the top down collapse of the towers, using precision timing most likely via computer control and wireless signal. Exploding buildings DO generate dust clouds, as can be seen on any controlled demolition video. Do I need to post that demolition video again, perhaps you'll stop the "explosives can't do that" nonsense for another 50 posts or so, till you think the vid is off the page, then you'll start again I'm sure. Uh, buckeroo was a government jet fuel story believer. You're confusing him with someone else. Uh, passing whichever buck was referenced at #60 -- not by me -- back to you, FL. Mosey on back there and figure it out. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Yeah, it is why I make fun of the magickal jet fuel theory. One of the most preposterous theories the government put out for naive and gullible people to latch on to. Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi "If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken "..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..." Lawrence M. Vance Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)
Oh, I only borrowed his spelling of "magickal." I know he believed the government fairy tale about 9/11. Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi "If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken "..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..." Lawrence M. Vance Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)
There is not ONE weapon at that link which could have brought down the towers, and if you don't know that, you're a bigger idiot than I thought you were. So in otherwords you are a lying shit that is to lazy or too unwilling to click a link. All the information is there and your pronouncements doesn't change that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directed-energy_weapons FOLKS , BYSTANDERS , DONT BE A LAZY LIAR LIKE FORMER LURKER HERE. IF YOU WANT TO EDUCATE YOURSELF THE INTERNET IS RIGHT HERE AND LINKS HAVE EVEN BEEN PROVIDED. THEIR ARE NASTY ENERGY WEAPONS OUT THERE THAT CAN ATOMIZE STONE AND METAL. THE SHIT IS REAL. DENOUNCING IT BECAUSE IT SOUNDS SCARY OR DISCREDITS A PET THEORY IS FOOLISHNESS. Don't be like Former Lurker. Don't be foolish. If you want to know the truth you can.... you can look for yourself...Should look for yourself. Look at his words and look at mine and looks at others.... but at any time if any of us say "DON'T LISTEN TO SO AND SO BECAUSE I SAY SO" That is the suspect you might be wary of. _______________________________________________________________________________ The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself,Take Action!!!
You are welcome to leave the 9/11 discussions of WMD probabilities any time you like, if it troubles you so much. Undoubtedly there is no shortage presently of people who will go along with your arguments that conventional controlled demolitions are commonplace; Ergo, the very different, top-down unraveling at the WTC can likewise be compared and explained away so, too, but I'm not one of them. You're seemingly on a mission to dumb-down 9/11 for mass-market appeal and I am currently not interested in fencing back and forth about it, so I'll find something else to do for the time-being and leave this study-guide here for you to contend with. There are, of course, better samplings but they'd likely get kicked to the curb or down a memory hole by you anyway, so I reckoned against extra-expenditures of energy to provide a variety. Thought you might at least give this one more than a quick scan or dismissal out-of-hand without even reading it if you saw the word mossad in the title: ronmossad A final word on Niels Harrit, nanothermite, 9-11 truth and basic common sense These observations reminded us of nano-thermite [sic] The material they found, that had been contaminated over six years, reminded them of nanothermite or regular thermite but probably nanothermite no really it's almost definitely the nano kind. Or it might be just regular paint. Except that it also has rust and aluminum in it. Which may be a result of the contamination or it may just be because those two substances are present in just about every structure Edited for spacing. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Hey shit for brains, cut and paste the ONE weapon from that link which you believe brought down the towers. Go ahead and show everyone exactly how smart you are. You're welcome to use your intelligence anytime you want. I see you're not keen on it too often. I keep asking you to specify an energy beam weapon which could destroy a structure such as the WTC, yet you can't come up with one which actually COULD. But that doesn't stop you from attacking those who ask you for evidence of what you say. Yes yes I know you require everyone else to do everything else for you because you can not be bothered to do anything but denounce everyone and everything that does not fit your exact version of the events. Only the deluded and the guilty act in such a manner. Since you're not smart enough to be one of the guilty planners the process of eliminating insists upon you being a willing dupe. Their is no more retched kind of slave than the one ignorant of his servitude. We have given you cut and pastes and links and evidence you you continue to act like a 2 year old saying nu uh nu uh nu uh it's fucking pathetic. Doing anything for you is a pointless gesture because you are a liar, don't you get it? Your word is worthless. Nobody will do things for an untrust worthy cretin like you. People don't do favours over and over for bad people. And you are asking for us to provide you with the same favour that has already been provided for you over and over. Well no more buddy, you're cut off. Please leave the bar. Do not pass go, do not expect anyone to do anything for you. You would be a fool if you did. _______________________________________________________________________________ The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself,Take Action!!!
And that is entirely plausible as well. _______________________________________________________________________________ The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself,Take Action!!!
Uh, no. YOU claim that YOU know WHAT sort of device was used to bring down the WTC towers, EXCEPT you can't or WON'T tell us what exactly that weapon IS. So that makes you a snake oil saleman who can't or won't tell his customers what exactly he's selling, yet expects them to get on their knees and throw their money at him as if he's the 2nd coming of Jesus. What it comes down to is that you are the forum liar, the disinformationalist who sucks so bad at his job that he can't even present a valid or logical argument. That, or you are one VERY stupid and deluded psychopath, one who believes his own fantasies and get's VERY mad when people see through his lies and asks for any sort of clarification or proof. I think this following article allows people to see what exactly you're all about... Did you get "programmed" when you were a wee lad, or are you just a natural born psycho? Edit: I missed the part about the common sociopath being "highly intelligent", so I guess that rules you out. Unless of course you're just PRETENDING to be stupid. Here we go typicical tit for tat? Do you wanna discuss the topic of the threads? FUCK NO! You wanna debate my childhood, the big gulp at 7-11 what the fuck ever else you can bring up Former Lurker YOU ARE A DEVIOUS LYING SOB THAT IS ALWAYS, AND I MEAN ALWAYS ,SIDE TRACKING THESE CONVERSATIONS. One has to wonder what your cowardly ass fears about people talking about 911 and Direct energy weapons being involved.... because it seems to scare you like a school girl and you do all that you can to denounce it and you have no problem lying to do it. Shame on you. Also I've mentioned that I thought it was most likely a form of microwave long ago in another one of these threads you derailed and messed up. You want me to bring it up again, and again and again.. Like I said, you have been given evidence multiple times. Lots of links and picture have been given. All you do is repeat your calls to be shown what you have been shown already like a repetitive two year old that doesn't know any better. It is as childish as using the black ops ping list as your personal insult tool. Just fucking immature. You are a fool thinking that people will continue to do for a snake in the grass such as yourself. A bona fide fool. _______________________________________________________________________________ The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself,Take Action!!!
Thank you for posting this abraxas. It was interesting and sad to see how little regard they have for their audience. That first caller never even got to make his second comment. _______________________________________________________________________________ The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself,Take Action!!!
Again, you project your faults onto others and overlook the advice you should yourself take. All I did was ask you to name me ONE "directed energy weapon" which would be capable of bringing down the WTC towers as they were brought down. You stomp your feet, hurl insults, accuse me of "lying" without saying exactly what it is I'm supposed to be lying about, just because YOU can't name even ONE such weapon. You posted a link which points to a list of energy weapons, claiming THAT'S the answer. I asked you to name me ONE, just ONE weapon from that list which you feel was responsible for the collapse of the towers, and instead, you tell me that's MY job. Are you a fucking lunatic? It is YOU who is making a claim, it is YOUR job to tell us what it is exactly you are claiming, not mine or anyone else's. Grow the fuck up and stop acting like a 2 year old who isn't getting his way. Oh, so now you're back to microwaves, eh? Are you aware of the fact that even battlefield microwave devices are only capable of causing intense heat under the skin of their human targets? Microwaves heat up water molecules, thus, since there is no water in concrete and steel, they would NOT be capable of causing ANY damage to the WTC towers nor any other solid structure. Stop believing every hairbrained tale you hear just because it includes some fancy words you aren't familiar with. There is some water in concrete. Rapid heating of it possibly could cause the concrete to explode, but it would take very high levels of microwave radiation to accomplish that for a whole floor, and each floor would have to have a separate microwave generator I think for there to be any chance for this to work. It would require enormous amounts of power as well, which they could not really depend on since power failures are fairly common in New York City. Tons of explosives make much more sense though. Sure it would take a long time to place all those explosives and it would cost a lot, but the people who planned and carried out 9/11 had plenty of money and plenty of time to do the job right. God is always good!
The amount of power required to heat up a chunk of concrete would be enormous, never mind that required to heat an entire 110 story building to the point it fell apart. As an experiment, one could get a small piece of concrete and put it in the microwave oven. Leave it there for 10 minutes, then check the temperature. I'd wager that it's the same temperature as it was when it was first put in the oven. I doubt the entire power output of NYC would be sufficient to bring down the WTC towers using microwaves. It just isn't efficient nor feasible. These "no-planers" latch on to every logically unsound and physically impossible story they lay their eyes on. I think it's sort of clear what they're really up to. They try their hardest to eliminate the most likely cause of the collapse, being explosives, and fish through the mud trying to convince people it was really some sort of futuristic weapon which doesn't exist. That or nuclear bombs. It truly seems that they are trying to convince the public that anyone who disagrees with the official story is a raving lunatic, calling themselves "researchers" and "truthers", themselves attacking the real researchers who have uncovered substantial evidence concerning the demolition of the towers. Sure...that does make sense.
Uh huh. Besides nuclear bombs, name me ONE, just ONE such weapon which can do as you say. Sorry you've fallen for the "no-planes" disinfo campaign. It's in much greater swing than I had imagined, but after looking over all the fake videos on YouTube and various stooges proclaiming themselves experts, while assassinating the character of actual scientists who have presented bona-fide facts and evidence, I see those behind 9/11 found an effective way to neutralize the 9/11 Truth movement. Think about it for one full minute. Besides successfully fracturing the truth movement, it buries any real facts, and causes the general public to view "truthers" as lunatics and idiots. In terms of video manipulation, it is the no-plane promoters who have created the fake videos. If you watch the actual broadcast videos of that morning, there are NO discrepencies in what was seen. The people of NY City saw with their eyes what everyone else saw on TV. Uh huh. Besides nuclear bombs, name me ONE, just ONE such weapon which can do as you say. Any such weapons are in the black budget and buried under layer after layer of classification. Rumors do leak out though. Just as we know that there is, and has been a secret space program, we know that weapons the public are allowed to know about are a minimum of 20 to 30 years behind actual capability. We do know that sonic weapons can achieve that effect and Scalar Weapons (based on Tesla's research and breakthroughs) can likely do the same. We can look at the observed phenomena and infer the existence of a cause e.g., the microfine dust at the WTC Towers when they collapsed. That dust is an unexplained phenomena which has never been observed in any other event. So, it is rational and logical to infer a cause of that phenomena. While we cannot prove the existence of something that exists with in the world of high level weapons research we can infer and deduce its existence from the observed phenomena. OI, I don't know if there is a secret space program or not, maybe there is. However, I find it VERY unlikely that we have weapons which basically function like phaser beams. Sure there are sophisticated anti-missile weapons, designed to be effective in space against incoming ICBMs. They might use high powered lasers for that. However, beam weapons effective in the atmosphere are highly unlikely at this point in time. Concerning scaler weapons, I had read about scaler waves over a decade ago, but have seen no proof that they are effective as weapons. Don't you think if we had such sophisticated weaponry they would have been put to use by now in terms of actual warfare? As far as a beam weapon being used against the WTC towers, let's look at the factors, besides the fact such a weapon most probably doesn't exist. How would it manage to cause a symetrical top down collapse? Would there be four separate beams aimed at each corner of the building, tracking each floor downwards at the precise time? Where would such weapons be positioned, and where would they derive their power from? How would they avoid penetrating past the WTC into adjacent buildings? Again, Occam's Razor indicates the most likely answer is that explosives were used to achieve what was witnessed. It CAN be done, and it WOULD have created dust just as witnessed. Again, Occam's Razor indicates the most likely answer is that explosives were used to achieve what was witnessed. It CAN be done, and it WOULD have created dust just as witnessed. Basic logic like yours above is lacking in today's society. I'm not sure why it is so hard for some people to believe that tons and tons of explosives could turn concrete into fine dust. Why use exotic technology when tested and proved "old fashioned" technology can get the job done easier and cheaper? God is always good!
Am archiving the data below for referencing in considerations of available power that could possibly have been diverted for Directed Energy weaponry usage when shut downs began at 8:46 a.m.; and also regarding the reductions of usage in the area from evacuations, as well: http://media.nara.gov/9-11/MFR/t-0148-911MFR-00174.pdf UNCLASSIFIED There were two substations in WTC 7 building, serving the twin towers, and one substation by the South Street Seaport. A total of eight 13 kW feeders were located at the WTC. Timeline on 9/11/2001: Con Ed can lose any 2 feeders, and not lose a network grid. [sic] The NYSE was located in the Bowling Green network. Since all 8 feeders were lost prior to WTC South tower falling, it was possible the lights had gone out before. However, the Port Authority controlled the equipment in the towers and Con Ed did not know exactly what happened inside the towers. They did have maps of the towers and were prepared to help the Port Authority in the event they were needed. As the towers fell, they were destroying sub service station suppliers. By 10:30 a.m. the only place totally out of electricity was the WTC complex. The evacuation of lower Manhattan reduced the load requirements and helped as the electricity was lost following the collapse. Many building owners turned off the HVAC when they left the buildings so the bad air would not circulate which also saved electricity. Had this attack occurred in hotter summer weather, with the increased use of air conditioning, things could have been worse. 9/11 WTC Timeline references for the notes above in blue: 9:03 AM: Flight 175 crashes into the south WTC tower. [23 minutes after NORAD notified, 43 minutes after air traffic control lost contact with pilots][New York Times, 9/12/01, CNN, 9/12/01] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Center#Destruction The North Tower collapsed at 10:28 a.m., after burning for approximately 102 minutes. Edited second blue-note + for highlighting, date formatting and to expand the next to last paragraph of the .gov pdf file excerpts. Edit to include additional related info and for formatting: September 27, 2011 04:05PM ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Exactly. AND, if advanced explosives were used, such as nanothermite based explosives, they more than likely would have required MUCH less in terms of quantity and overall weight. They most likely would have been more powerful and "hotter" as well. Do you have any idea of the amount of power necessary for a laser to heat up a structure enough to cause it to weaken to the point of collapse? Factor in the fact that it would of had to have been fired from space, or hidden VERY damn well at a distance from the WTC, AND there would have had to of been MULTIPLE sources for the building to collapse symetrically. Add to that idea the fact that any heating effects powerful enough to cause a collapse would have scorched the exterior walls, and caused them to melt (being that the exterior walls were covered with aluminum sheathing). So no, your beam idea is just plain wacked out and impossible. If you watch the actual broadcast videos of that morning, there are NO discrepencies in what was seen. The people of NY City saw with their eyes what everyone else saw on TV. Put down the Zionist opium pipe.... The fact you authenticate 9-11 via the Jewish Supremacist media shows me you have an agenda on 9-11,...and margins the whyfore with the Red Flags going up continually here on this forum with your posts and misdirect routine. Cluesforum has the days TV 9-11 coverage where the 2nd tower gets hit.
Put down the Zionist opium pipe.... Hey bud. You might be used to hanging with ziocon traitors on LP, but don't assume everyone here is like your pals over there. The fact you authenticate 9-11 via the Jewish Supremacist media shows me you have an agenda on 9-11 Ok, I see all you no-planers are total whackjobs, now that you've illuminated me as to your brilliance. I was posting about how the government story is total bullshit before you even started posting on LP. You're just an idiot who's been suckered in by fast talkers who have nothing of substance except for pure speculation, and who have a habit of attacking ANYONE who has actually done research on 9/11 and who have impressive credentials, such as Dr. Steven Jones along with the thousands of architects, engineers, and scientists who are affiliated with Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth. So basically anyone who has uncovered strong evidence concerning how 9/11 was an inside job, or reported anything to do with Israeli Mossad involvement in 9/11, is targetted by no-planers and their handlers for attack. People like you piss off. You've either fallen for the bullshit, or you're part of it. the airliner is all over the map in elevation/floors of the building,...descent,...flight track, they have it flying in level and straight...and other coverage has it banking with offset wing tilt. Post a link to that if it exists. All the no-planer claims I've seen were either backed by tampered video, or were outright misrepresentations of what actually took place. The fact is....they can do up 9-11 numerous ways.....and leave people like you ninnying over details. There's people over at LP who still think Moo si lums pulled it all off ...100 over 100. And you're convincing those people that they're right by acting like a nut. You can't go from actual facts to outrageous claims which make no logical sense, backed by nothing but people who claim to be interested in truth yet don't care if their own statements are true or not. Cross-referencing #63 To: RickyJ (#59) at 4um Title: 911 and Thermite, The official Conspiracy Theory? Me: A plasma arc as a Directed Energy source in conjunction with electrification of concrete surfaces, eh? Interesting, but since it speaks of dust reduction by melting concrete into molten concrete, it doesn't quite fit the dustification evidence at the WTC. Excerpts from the above link for: [US] Patent number: 5532449 Am posting this because the methods described above might possibly have been adaptable in a Directed Energy demolition of the WTC Towers and without the use of thermitics; perhaps in combination with the conductivity of the steel-framed structures and with the applied current adjusted to below the melting point of concrete. Edited last paragraph and link title. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
OMG. You've never heard of arc welding? So now arc welders are weapons of mass destruction capable of tearing down buildings? Take your own advice first tool. You have become their instrument ... also "illuminated" is a punk bitch ass word . Way to close to illunminati for my taste. _______________________________________________________________________________ The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself,Take Action!!!
You've never heard of arc welding? So now arc welders are weapons of mass destruction capable of tearing down buildings? Try again to understand what was posted from the Patent link and what I stated; none of which was in the context of welding, regardless of what the Patented applications were intended for when designed. Reposted from #106 for you: Edited both paragraphs. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Not necessarily. In most of the little brush fire wars that have been created by the MIC/Rothschilds/Israel such weapons are not needed and would be revealing capabilities to potential adversaries who could make use of the information. You have to look at the spook mentality of chronic and constant paranoia. They'd classify their Great Grandmother's birthday if they were allowed to. Data insufficient to say they don't exist. Again I look at it from the point of view of inductive logic reasoning from observed effect back to cause. We can observe the effect of microfine concrete dust and we can also observe the manner in which the structures appeared to erode before our very eyes. We can further adduce that these particular characteristics are particular only to the collapse of the WTC Towers. Explosives, not even nanothermites, does not account for the observed phenomena. From explosives we could expect certainly some great degree of dust from the collapse but it is the quality of the dust i.e., its very fine, almost microscopic, grain combined with greater volume than can really be accounted for by explosion and collapse. So, I do not think it unreasonable to assume, hypothetically, the existence of some other agency creating the observed effect. And while this is, freely admitted, speculation the existence, and use, of some form of energy weapon is not unreasonable in attempting to account for some of the observed phenomena. While I do not agree 100% with Dr. Wood she nevertheless has chronicled some very puzzling observations including the dust but not limited to it. There are other evidences she has collected which are verifiable and anomalous to say the least. So, the one thing I can say with some certainty is that pending further data that some some agency, likely in the form of directed energy, appears to have been involved with the collapse of the towers. It fits for me since I believe that more than one means was used to bring the towers down and to control their collapse so as to prevent too much additional damage to other properties. Plese provide a link that makes any distinction between the size of the WTC dust and the size of regular controlled demolition dust. Additionally, you are saying that we don't know what a classified weapon would do, or what it would be, since its classified. That's sort of circular argument don't you think? Don't you think we should give the same sort of consideration to nanothermite explosives, which more than likely DO exist, and MAY actually cause the effects seen in the WTC collapse, ESPECIALLY since unreacted nanothermite WAS found in the WTC debris? Do you also have road rage often? There must be over 50 pages of CGI overlay evidence for 9-11 at Cluesforum. Readers can visit Pilots for 9-11 truth...the above is on the main page.
That's sort of circular argument don't you think? Not really. We are operating at a data deficit and so are left to speculate. We can hedge our speculations using logic but they are still speculations. I just look at the observed phenomena and apply what we don't know and then attempt to infer from the observed phenomena a possible cause. I do not assert a certainty merely a possibility. I do not assert it as a certainty. It is simply one hypothesis among several in an attempt to account for the observed phenomena. Oh, I do. I think it very possible. However, my point is that I do not think it was the only thing used. The towers were very very massive and very tall. In order to create controlled degradation of the structures, as was observed, I think it likely that the controllers who organized and planned the job had a whole palette of options at their disposal. One of the major problems would have been to control the collapse, again as observed, by means sufficient to contain the destruction to just the towers and that is what we observe. Nanotherumites were almost certainly used to cut key structural members but would not, I do not believe, have been sufficient to contain the collapse in the manner which we observe. Here is one analysis of the dust: 911encyclopedia.com/wiki/..._Center_Dust_Microspheres FL: Post a link to that if it exists. That shouldn't be news to you, FL. We've discussed such before and titorite has too -- with video exampled and (in one of your own threads) with emphasis by me on CBS footage especially, which displays very different [WTC 2] plane trajectories: Ref. Posts #249 and #266 at 4um Title: NO PLANER COINTELPRO Operation Becoming Transparent Additional references on the issue of different MSM plane and smoke trajectories: Also available in Play all screen-format at 4um Title: 9/11 Anthology - No Planes and Media Fakery Research + | Post Date: 2012-10-29 15:05:23 by GreyLmist Edited first sentence + for formatting, highlighting and spelling. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
1. drjudywood.com/articles/dirt/dirtAppendix2.html
Opening thread-video: Audio Proof Alex Jones & Jason Bermas Dismissed Dr. Judy Wood's Scientific 9-11 Evidence - YouTube | Published by Pete Santilli on Nov 30, 2012 | From the video Description Section, Full Episode & Article: http://petersantilli.com/ [My Note: Currently archived on Page 2 at http://petersantilli.com/page/2/] Full length video of Episode #285 - Extremely Disturbing 9-11 Audio Jason Bermas & Alex Jones | Published by Pete Santilli on Dec 1, 2012 | At 39:17, Jason Bermas and Alex Jones issue [My Note: Commentary recommendation to 54:25. Announcement below from the site page on upcoming interviews with Dr. Judy Wood:] Dr. Judy Wood's evidence has been presented in Governor Jesse Ventura's speaking engagements, radio interviews, as well as his television show, and we are excited to introduce her to our audience! ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Ok, you win. 19 angry arabs with box cutters brought down those towers. There, are you fucking happy now? I can't believe how fucking stupid people have become. They think the entire city of New York was in on the scheme to kill 3000 people, some of them their own relatives, and all the television news crews, networks, airport employees, FAA employees, police, firemen, and everyone else is on the 9/11 conspiracy. Well go fuck yourselves, I'm sick and tired of arguing with retards. Yep, and you were as full of shit then as you are now. YOU couldn't even tell what compass direction the smoke was travelling, and in EACH and every video, it ALL travelled the same direction. YOU couldn't honestly say the obvious, and that is that the plane approached from the same direction on EACH fucking video. YOU appear to be quite the ring leader here of "new found truth", the sort of truth Dick Cheney would be proud of. I'm done. You can go ahead and destroy any progress people have made to investigating the events of 9/11. No matter what factual evidence I present, your fairy tales sound more appealing to the audience, and apparently I have no allies here. So you've won, you've taken over the forum. Hey shitorite, you've won. Christine, please delete my account. I don't want to associate with this forum any longer. One last thing Parrot. Apparently you've been hanging with the shills here, since it's quite obvious you haven't really read one fucking thing I've said the past 10 years or so that I've been on this forum, the five years I had been on LP, or the 3 years before that I was on FR. I proved the impossibility of Flight 77 flying as it did and striking the Pentagon. I've presented documented facts concerning Israeli involvement with 9/11. I've provided scientific proof that the jet fuel didn't weaken the towers making them pancake, and have stated the obvious many times, in that 110 story towers don't fall into themselves at close to free fall speed without explosives. I've provided plausible evidence that the planes could very well have been switched in mid-air with military jets of similar design as the hijacked aircraft, and those jets were flown remotely into the towers. If you wish to believe in fairytales and backstab those who helped develop awareness over the past decade that 9/11 was an inside job, be my fucking guest. You're in good company. At this point I really don't care anymore, since it's apparent to me the truth will NEVER be told, now that even the self described "good guys" are falling for the traps laid out by those who actually planned and perpetrated 9/11. To folks like you, science is bad, and wild assed guesses are what matter. IF you supported science you wouldn't shit on everyone that brought forth plausible alternative ideas. I think that is what you are truly pissed off over... that you could be wrong. How you process that, by acting like the most immature douchebag in the universe, well....that is a failure in your character. _______________________________________________________________________________ The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself,Take Action!!!
OI, this will probably be my last post on this forum. I'm done arguing with those who've made it a mission in their lives to discredit 9/11 truth with whatever they can conjure up out of the blue, who promote themselves as "truth seekers" where they care not about truth, all they care about is what they "believe" or "feel". At one time on this forum, and others before it, I felt like I was opening some eyes and raising people's awareness. Now, I feel that whenever I post actual facts and logical arguments, I'll be attacked from all directions, and those simply passing by this forum will side with the majority, knowing little if anything about what the facts actually are. I suppose I've just grown sick and tired of spending my time spinning my wheels and not really getting anywhere. But to address your comments, you apparently still think nanothermite is used to burn through metal. I have raised the fact many times lately that the military and various government laboratories have been researching nanothermite EXPLOSIVES since at least the early 90's. In other words, they were developing explosives composed of nanothermite in hopes they would be more powerful than standard C4. Little data is available on exactly HOW much more powerful nanothermite explosives are. In fact, it's not even clear that they actually exist. I'd say however, that it is MUCH more likely that they DO exist, than some phaser beam type weapon fired from muliple points in space. All I've ever done is try to look at the MOST likely scenario, supported by known facts, logic, and basic science. I also look at what DIDN'T or COULDN'T have happened. It is by using that methodology we can eliminate jet fuel and pancaking as the cause of the demise of the WTC towers. If we grasp at red herrings and ignore the most likely scenario, then what difference is there between the "jet fuel brought the towers down" story, and the "9/11 truth" tales? Do you really believe for one second that the government DOESN'T place disinformation out there to instigate the very sort of behavior we are currently witnessing, where MANY people are latching onto this "no-planes" bandwagon, even though it defies all logic and reasoning, and is supported by wishful thinking along with doctored after the fact videos, nothing more? Anyways, controlled demolition is called that for a reason. The collapse of the structure is controlled by precise timing, location, and type of explosive. As you have just said, those towers collapsed in a controlled fashion. There is absolutely no reason at all they couldn't have been destroyed using timed explosives, and if nanothermite was used, standard signatures of explosives would not be detected. Here's a demolition video, it'll show how STANDARD explosives can bring down structures. Enjoy. It's been fun, but now, it's no longer fun. I have stopped caring, since apparently most people don't care about what is true or not anymore, so why spend my time trying to convince them of what the facts are. I feel as though I've been wasting my time, and that's time I'll never get back. All 9/11 Truthseekers should be allies, imo, rather than in-fighting over differences in perspectives. I haven't told 9/11 fairy tales. There is evidence that Steven Jones and company have and it's deadly to those subjected to The War on Terra while he fuels conflict over his faux obstacle course. Rethink helping to maintain it as a Gatekeeper for him. WTC controlled demolition was already well established before his Thermitic game-show. Directed Energy investigation is about the controlled demolitions, just of the unconventional sort. Edited to add last sentence. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Oh bugger off drama queen, you've said that three times now. Get over yourself. Shit or get off the pot. I'd still rather you learn more about this all. _______________________________________________________________________________ The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself,Take Action!!!
Oh, you want some attention you fucking weasle? Ok, I'm not sure if you are a government paid operative, an Israeli agent, or just a plain stupid fucking psycho. You ARE one of the above however. You ARE most certainly a drama queen, claiming credit for that which you have had no part of, and discrediting those who have had a substantial role in raising the public's awareness of the impossibility of the government's 9/11 fairy tale. YOU have done everthing within your means to cause hate, discontent, and animosity between posters here on these 9/11 threads, have latched onto ridiculously implausible tales, insisting that they are 100% true, while dismissing actual evidence, logic, and documented facts as "lies". YOU most certainly are a tool of those covering up 9/11, and what makes it worse, people TRUST you because you post differently on other topics. At least yukon was consistently rude and vile, whereas you only behave this way on 9/11 topics, indicating to me that you're here specifically to neutralize any widespread support of an impartial investigation of 9/11. Anyways, enjoy your new found notoriety, and while you're at it, kiss my ass. Have you went to jail spreading the truth ? I have. I have gone out into the night to paste flyers at recruiting stations speaking on 911 truth. I have set up notes on post office sticky tacky boards . I have taken my spraypaint cans to the fraternal lodges and highschools. I have been arrested and done my time in pursuit of doing all that I could literally by myself because I can not seem to get organised.... A jumbled up mess is what I am...still struggling to get my shit together just like any of us I suppose..... except those that DO have their shit together. It gets me shit like this..... Just do whatever lurker. _______________________________________________________________________________ The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself,Take Action!!!
It's very convenient posting anonymously and claiming you're really a superhero in real life. I just noticed you on another thread, saying that you spoke to Alex Jones about starting a revolution, then went on in a subsequent post trying to get people interested in "meetups" hosted by you. To me, you seem like a bonafide COINTEL operative, fluffing up your "past" trying to make yourself out to be some sort of super patriot. Due to your actions and words not only on these 9/11 threads, but others, I'd say it is HIGHLY likely that you are in fact trying to lure people into situations where they can be charged with "anti-terrorism" laws, arrested as "domestic terrorists". It's happened many times before, in fact, it happens all the time. In regards to 9/11, to you "truth" is whatever YOU say it is, contradictory facts, logic, or common sense be damned. You are certainly no friend of the 9/11 Truth movement. If anything, you've set it back to the days when most people believed the offical fairytale. The only thing different is that you've replaced one fairytale with another. I think you're getting too emotionally involved. Just relax, it's not really that big of a deal. EWWWWWWW I never said nothing about speaking to Alex Jones. You lie fucker. And Fuck AJ! For any that don't know call the AJ show and ask about the signifigance of the y2k broadcast... or what happened at trinidade..... or what happened in the parking lot incident... ask aj any of these things. ask him about the austin gun protest he bullhorned down. ask these things ...and all will be revealed why I dislike AJ BUT HONESTLY WHO HERE DOESN"T KNOW I DISLIKE THE FUCK OUTTA AJ!?!?!?! Get REal Lurker! _______________________________________________________________________________ The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself,Take Action!!!
You lie fucker. Oh I'm sorry, I thought you were talking about Alex Jones. Now I see you were in fact telling Christine that you were speaking to Randy Weaver about the "merits of revolution". At least I admit my mistakes, unlike you. Yeah, I'm sure Randy really got a kick out of you telling him he should participate in plans to start a revolution. Hell, look what happened to him just for shortening a shotgun barrel a half inch too short or so. At least I admit my mistakes, unlike you. Yeah, I'm sure Randy really got a kick out of you telling him he should participate in plans to start a revolution. Hell, look what happened to him just for shortening a shotgun barrel a half inch too short or so. Don't tread in that water. You wern't there. Besides I seem to recall you asking for your account to be deleted. IS the full worth of your word nothing but inconsistencies and phoneyness? _______________________________________________________________________________ The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself,Take Action!!!
Uh huh. Whether you are telling the truth, or making this shit up as you go, it's pretty screwed up either way. You seem eager for me to leave tit or ite. Perhaps I'll stick around for a bit longer just to remind you of a few things here and there. Then inconsistencies and phoneyness is what you have chosen. Let it be known. SO much for your last post. I am eager for you to leave at this point. YOu lie like a shitstain dog. About all sorts of shit. Senisitive shit. Shit you have no fucking clue about because you wernt there. YOu are probably never there. Not at gathings, not at protests, not out in the night with your own Direct actions not willing to put your nuts on the line. Fuck you please leave. _______________________________________________________________________________ The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself,Take Action!!!
Those are the rules you live by isn't it? As long as you promise to dip your head in the toilet and flush several times for good measure. In the totality of life all a man truly has is his word.
_______________________________________________________________________________ The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself,Take Action!!!
BTW, when you attend these "direct protest" events and speak to people about revolution, are you wearing a wire?
Then in the grand scheme of things, you truly have nothing. I have my word.
_______________________________________________________________________________ The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself,Take Action!!!
BTW, I never said the hijacked aircraft actually hit the towers. Perhaps you shouldn't jump in at the end of the thread (and after months of back and forth between these individuals and myself) and instantly assume you know exactly what it is I'm saying. Your word is shit. Not at all. I have proven beyond all reasonable doubt that you lie. It is "your" word that is shit FormerLurker. You are a big drama queen that attempts to manipulate the opinions and conclusions of others for your own goals and ends. Fuck you for it. IF anyone needs any proof of your phoneyness and any proof of your falseness and any proof of what your word is worth they may look to my signature and read the words you wrote....as well as follow this thread where what you posted afterwards just went into super flamer overload. LOL You are a lying flaming drama queen. By your own words you gave enough rope to hang yourself. Hang. ________________________________________________________________ #119. To: titorite, christine (#108) Hey shitorite, you've won. Christine, please delete my account. I don't want to associate with this forum any longer. FormerLurker. http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=151554&Disp=119#C119
#2. To: titorite (#1)
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#3. To: abraxas (#0)
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#4. To: wudidiz (#3)
#5. To: abraxas (#4)
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#6. To: abraxas (#2)
why do so many follow like sheep?
the quality of a man’s life is directly proportionate to
his commitment to excellence.’
#7. To: abraxas (#0)
Alex Jones Compars Judy Wood 911 Analysis to "Space Beams"
#8. To: Buzzard (#6)
Your question answers itself.
#9. To: BTP Holdings (#7)
#10. To: abraxas (#9)
#11. To: All, wudidiz, abraxas (#10)
#12. To: abraxas (#0)
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#13. To: Artisan (#10)
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Its Ok to listen to many radio shows/sources.
#14. To: abraxas (#2)
#15. To: RickyJ (#13)
#16. To: BTP Holdings (#7)
The title says it all. I wonder if AJ would be surprised to know that NORAD controlled the planes that hit the Twin Towers? Just asking. ROTFLOL!
#17. To: Artisan (#10)
its simplistic to assume that listeners are "followers/sheep" particularly given the fact that jones harshest critics are former listeners/fans.
#18. To: Artisan (#14)
#19. To: Artisan (#11)
Its amusing but pitiful his obsession on revenge with jones.
#20. To: abraxas (#2)
I've never been an AJ fan
Any perceived compliance with unconstitutional “laws” or orders put forth by government employees is NOT recognition of their authority; it is simply the result of carefully calculated submission to an entity exhibiting superior firepower.
#21. To: abraxas (#4)
LOL! I need a copy of those posters.
Any perceived compliance with unconstitutional “laws” or orders put forth by government employees is NOT recognition of their authority; it is simply the result of carefully calculated submission to an entity exhibiting superior firepower.
#22. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#20)
#23. To: Artisan (#15)
Honest people will give credit to the large body of very good work jones has done & still does on a wide variety of issues.
#24. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#21)
#25. To: ratcat, *9-11* (#16)
AJ knows that the planes were remote controlled.
Judy Woods says there were no planes.
#26. To: ratcat (#16)
AJ knows that the planes were remote controlled.
#27. To: GreyLmist (#25)
Missing 9/11 Planes
#28. To: abraxas (#0)
billionaire Zionist Deborah Simon is appreciated for her contributions in the [Loose Change] credits. Her father-in-law, Mel Simon did business with Frank Lowy and Larry Silverstein, the duo that leased the towers and made billions from its demolition. Is she a brave closet renegade who married into a billionaire jewish family? Probably not.
#29. To: BTP Holdings (#27)
BTW, FED GOV flew a 747 from Hawaii to Austalia wit NO PILOT on board.
#30. To: GreyLmist (#29)
I'm not under the impression that advanced remote control technology doesn't exist. The thing is, you could tell that to a judge...even assert that Dov Zakheim profits much from being in the business...and it proves nothing evidentiary re: 9/11.
#31. To: ratcat (#16)
Judy Woods says there were no planes. It was just a figment of our imaginations, a product of lasers.
#32. To: BTP Holdings (#7)
I wonder if AJ would be surprised to know that NORAD controlled the planes that hit the Twin Towers?
#33. To: SKYDRIFTER, BTP Holdings, *9-11* (#32)
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BTP Holdings: I wonder if AJ would be surprised to know that NORAD controlled the planes that hit the Twin Towers?
Mineta stated to Lee Hamilton, of the 9/11 Commission, that [he] was in a bunker when Cheney apparently declined to give a shoot down order for a plane that was about to crash into the Pentagon 79. Note that if the events went as Mineta described, the fellow coming and going from the room wouldn't have had time to leave the room and return. If the "plane" were actually travelling at 550 mph, 10 miles is covered in about 1 minute. Part of that time would be spent in the dialog, "do the orders still stand?" So, it would seem unlikely that this fellow would have time to even leave the room and return for the next dialog. It turns out that Mineta himself was former Vice President of Lockheed Martin 80 – one of the world‟s biggest defence contractors and also one the primary contractors in the Airborne Laser Project which is described as “America's first directed energy weapon system” 81
#34. To: GreyLmist (#29)
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#35. To: ratcat (#16)
The answer is AJ knows that the planes were remote controlled. Judy Woods says there were no planes. It was just a figment of our imaginations, a product of lasers.
#36. To: RickyJ (#34)
#37. To: RickyJ (#35)
#38. To: GreyLmist, RickyJ (#36)
bilious jibes don't amount to a counterargument
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#39. To: GreyLmist, RickyJ (#37)
What you think of her or the WMD aspect of 9/11 investigations changes nothing of the issues that can't be chalked up to conventional controlled demolitions.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#40. To: FormerLurker (#39)
There is not ONE thing which can't be "chaulked up" to conventional EXPLOSIVES, let alone that which could be "chaulked up" to explosives based on nano-thermite.
Now they can have people post on forums saying that no traces of explosives have been found.
#41. To: FormerLurker (#39)
#42. To: GreyLmist, Skydrifter (#33)
NORAD commander, Gen. Arnold, states at 4:58 that no one would have known the intent of the hijackers and, without that, [paraphrasing] a shoot down order would have been unjustifiable: 9/11 Military Response
#43. To: GreyLmist (#40)
I disagree with both of those statements. For someone who claimed in this post not to have looked into nano-thermite in any depth until less than two weeks ago, you seem to have like a religious fervor for the stuff. The magnitude of powers you've attributed to it are way over-estimated.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#44. To: GreyLmist (#40)
Jones' alleged samples are rubbish. He and his crew didn't even try to find traces of conventional explosives.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#45. To: FormerLurker (#44)
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CNC underwater cut/Cryogenic nitrogen - plasma gantry,
move plate and finished vessels with 50 ton remote control cranes.
I have many years of metallurgy,ultrasound insp ticket,...nuclear weld xray
senior burner....machine operator.
We used 2" boxed column as supports under pressure vessels which went into ovens with 24 fired gas burners and heat treated/equalized the vessels welds for over 12 hours sometimes.....above the pissy useless value of burning avfuel.....neither the 2" boxed supports...nor the pressure vessel ....nor even the railcar which loaded all into a huge oven...melted,failed,...saged.
Its BS that the 64 2" core columns failed in the carbon based fire after the jet fuel was consumed.
so it requires assisted intervention....where you see fountains of molten steel and alloy flow out of the towers like a waterfall.....thats the Nano - thermate/thermite...doing its thing.
yet still...you can see the top portion of the tower pivot over centre and lean...some 30 plus floors...and become powder in milliseconds!
Thats a directed energy weapon!
Only dept's and here....its like Area 51 stuff.....have access to Directed Energy weapons.
The people who want to take down Iraq,A stan,Libya and Syria are the ones who did 9- 11
Zbigniew B and Grand chessboard/Fake war on Terror.....9-11 was the kick off for the next phase.
#46. To: Parrot with speed dial (#45)
you can see the top portion of the tower pivot over centre and lean...some 30 plus floors...and become powder in milliseconds! Thats a directed energy weapon!
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#47. To: FormerLurker, Parrot with speed dial, all (#46)
Ever see a controlled demolition?
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#48. To: BTP Holdings (#42)
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The good General is wrong. Those jets werre off course and had every right to be shot down.
#49. To: wudidiz (#47)
Conventional explosives don't cause molecular dissociation which was seen at the wtc.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#50. To: FormerLurker (#43)
the military along with at least one national laboratory were actively looking into nanothermite explosives since at least the 90's.
unlike your fictional "energy beam" weapon which you can't seem to find any info on, and can't describe where it'd be situated in order to destroy the WTC towers.
#51. To: FormerLurker, wudidiz (#49)
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#52. To: GreyLmist (#50)
This is about the third time now that I've tried to ask you this question but so what? That's their job and they've been actively looking at Directed Energy weaponry systems for much longer than that.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#53. To: GreyLmist (#50)
Oh, that's rich
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#54. To: GreyLmist (#51)
Tell us the one about how those vehicles were demolished by conventional controlled demolition with some majikal nanothermite in the "pancake mix", FL.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#55. To: FormerLurker, Parrot with speed dial (#46)
There is not one directed energy weapon that I am aware of which can turn concrete to dust.
Ever see a controlled demolition?
#56. To: FormerLurker (#54)
#57. To: FormerLurker (#46)
There is not one directed energy weapon that I am aware of which can turn concrete to dust.
Yet the reports of first responders and people near the Towers when they each fell,
they experienced an unseen force which pressed against them....similar to the force you feel when magnets repel.
Some were lifted of their feet and thrown,....this is just before the towers falling.
The various US military Microwave weapons are evidence of Directed energy.
Myself....see the evidence for controlled cutting by nano Thermate/Thermite of core columns....the steel in the building.
I would suggest the concrete of the building was loaded by some kind of phasic directed energy weapon which vibrated the concrete molecules.
any number of known forces...like sound...can shatter bonds in materials.
everything we see and touch is actually in a state of vibration,....by changing the vibration by frequency....loading that.....you can shatter atomic bonds,....the material simply flys apart.
#58. To: FormerLurker (#49)
Name me ONE, just ONE, REAL "directed energy" weapon which could cause such a thing.
#59. To: FormerLurker, James Deffenbach (#54)
Being that you can't even spell magical, I can see how you might not understand such things.
#60. To: GreyLmist (#59)
I spelled it that way on purpose because I don't consider it magical, as you apparently do -- also because that's the way 9/11 majikal jet fuel is spelled around here. If you don't believe me, go ask James Deffenbach. He's the classifier and expert on that subject and is where I learned of that dastardly fuelery. Do try harder to get on the same page about it.
#61. To: FormerLurker (#53)
you can't even tell us where you think that "directed energy beam" weapon was fired from in order to destroy the WTC towers
#62. To: titorite (#58)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directed-energy_weapons
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#63. To: GreyLmist (#61)
I said to you before, I wouldn't rule out that something devastating was directed from underground in the vicinty. Additionally, if you were really interested at all in the topic, you'd find various reasonable discussions of the possibilites roundabout on the net -- a boat in the area, for one example.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#64. To: GreyLmist, James Deffenbach (#59)
I spelled it that way on purpose because I don't consider it magical, as you apparently do -- also because that's the way 9/11 majikal jet fuel is spelled around here. If you don't believe me, go ask James Deffenbach.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#65. To: titorite (#58)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#66. To: James Deffenbach, FormerLurker (#60)
Yeah, I often talk about the "magickal jet fuel" that reconstituted itself over and over, burned hotter than any ever had before or since and melted steel beams which also had never happened before. I got that spelling from buck iirc. Of course I know how magical is spelled and I suspect he does too but I just think it is funny.
#67. To: FormerLurker (#64)
I believe James and I were discussing this with BeAChooser...
#68. To: FormerLurker (#63)
Again, name me ONE weapon which could bring down the WTC towers as they were brought down.
#69. To: James Deffenbach, All (#60)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#70. To: GreyLmist (#68)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#71. To: James Deffenbach (#67)
Yeah, and he would say, "You're a KOOK! ROTFLOL!" One of his standard replies.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#72. To: GreyLmist, James Deffenbach (#66)
A hat-tip to buck and you, JD. It is funny
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#73. To: FormerLurker (#65)
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#74. To: GreyLmist (#73)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#75. To: GreyLmist (#73)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#76. To: FormerLurker (#72)
A hat-tip to buck and you, JD. It is funny
#77. To: FormerLurker (#69)
the very real fact that those towers couldn't have fallen because of the "magickal jet fuel",
#78. To: FormerLurker (#72)
Uh, buckeroo was a government jet fuel story believer. You're confusing him with someone else.
#79. To: FormerLurker (#62)
Did you even bother reading the link you posted you fucking retarded Mossad tool?
#80. To: FormerLurker (#74)
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Do you understand that you don't jump into wild insane speculation that has no basis in probability nor logic, especially when there are valid, plausible, and scientific explanations based on observed phenonema and forensic evidence?
It's hard for me...or anyone with a modicum of common sense to take this report seriously when the items they based this report on were given to them by residents of Lower Manhattan almost SIX YEARS after the Towers fell. These samples were not kept in sterile environments by any stretch of the imagination and were handled by ordinary, non-scientist New Yorkers. The paper also never actually says that material in question is nanothermite or even regular thermite......rather that...
#81. To: titorite (#79)
So in otherwords you are a lying shit that is to lazy or too unwilling to click a link.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#82. To: GreyLmist, *9-11* (#80)
You are welcome to leave the 9/11 discussions of WMD probabilities any time you like
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#83. To: FormerLurker (#81)
#84. To: Parrot with speed dial (#45)
.where you see fountains of molten steel and alloy flow out of the towers like a waterfall.....thats the Nano - thermate/thermite...doing its thing. yet still...you can see the top portion of the tower pivot over centre and lean...some 30 plus floors...and become powder in milliseconds! Thats a directed energy weapon!
#85. To: titorite, *9-11* (#83)
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Yes yes I know you require everyone else to do everything else for you
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#86. To: titorite, *Black Ops - Psyops* (#84)
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"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#87. To: FormerLurker (#86)
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#88. To: abraxas (#0)
#89. To: titorite, All (#87)
You are a fool thinking that people will continue to do for a snake in the grass such as yourself. A bona fide fool.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#90. To: titorite (#87)
Also I've mentioned that I thought it was most likely a form of microwave long ago in another one of these threads you derailed and messed up.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#91. To: FormerLurker (#90)
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Microwaves heat up water molecules, thus, since there is no water in concrete and steel, they would NOT be capable of causing ANY damage to the WTC towers nor any other solid structure.
#92. To: RickyJ (#91)
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"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#93. To: RickyJ (#91)
Tons of explosives make much more sense though. Sure it would take a long time to place all those explosives and it would cost a lot, but the people who planned and carried out 9/11 had plenty of money and plenty of time to do the job right.
Yet 9-11 is a message/a claim/hidden occult/...and the kick off to the next phase of Grand Chessboard.
The Airliner flight numbers...even the floors impacted are direct take from Aleister Crowley and his Orient occult forwards.
9-11 is also pre canned CGI....
Yes the towers fell....but you watched CGI overlay...
Cluesforum has loads of evidence for CGI and post event video and photoshop manipulation.
My view on the military/technology side...is they did use directed energy weapon to bring down WTC 1/2
Its a boast and message statement to powers looking in on 9-11,...as the Elite show what they can do...in plain sight.
#94. To: titorite (#79)
THEIR ARE NASTY ENERGY WEAPONS OUT THERE THAT CAN ATOMIZE STONE AND METAL.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#95. To: Parrot with speed dial, RickyJ (#93)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#96. To: Parrot with speed dial (#93)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#97. To: FormerLurker, titorite (#94)
THEIR ARE NASTY ENERGY WEAPONS OUT THERE THAT CAN ATOMIZE STONE AND METAL.
#98. To: Original_Intent (#97)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#99. To: FormerLurker (#98)
How would they avoid penetrating past the WTC into adjacent buildings?
#100. To: RickyJ, *9-11* (#91)
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There is some water in concrete. Rapid heating of it possibly could cause the concrete to explode, but it would take very high levels of microwave radiation to accomplish that for a whole floor, and each floor would have to have a separate microwave generator I think for there to be any chance for this to work. It would require enormous amounts of power as well, which they could not really depend on since power failures are fairly common in New York City.
Commission Sensitive
MEMORANDUM FOR THE RECORD
Type of event: Interview of Consolidated Edison Company of New York officials
Date: February 26, 2004
Special Access Issues: None The World Trade Center area was divided into network areas: Park Place Network, World Trade Center Network, Battery Park Network, Cortlandt Network, Fulton Network, and Bowling Green Network. The main power was supplied from Brooklyn.
08:46 a.m. Two WTC open/auto (O/A) 13 kW feeders went off [My Note: Alleged Flt. 11 impacts WTC 1/North Tower within that minute.]
09:02 a.m. Two additional WTC open/auto (O/A) 13 kW went off [My Note: Within the next minute, alleged Flt. 175 impacts WTC 2/South Tower at 9:03 a.m., approx. 17 minutes after WTC 1/North Tower was allegedly impacted.]
09:52 a.m. Four additional open/auto (O/A) 13 kW feeders went off
[My Note: Approx. 7 minutes later, at 9:59 a.m., WTC 2/South Tower falls after burning for approx. 56 minutes.]
10:28 a.m. Status: [My Note: Approx. 29 minutes after WTC 2/South Tower fell, WTC 1/North Tower falls at 10:28 a.m. after burning for approx. 102 minutes. At the time:]Cortlandt 8 of 15 feeders were off
Battery Park City 6 of 8 feeders were off
Bowling Green 6 of 16 feeders were off
Park Place 1 of 12 feeders were off http://www.wanttoknow.info/9-11cover-up10pg
8:46 AM: Flight 11 crashes into the WTC (World Trade Center) north tower. [approximately 26 minutes after controllers lost contact][New York Times, 9/12/01]
At 9:59 a.m., the South Tower collapsed after burning for approximately 56 minutes.
Con Ed suit against Silverstein and Citigroup at 7 WTC dismissed
Silverstein’s 7WTCo., an LLC controlled by Silverstein Properties, was charged with two counts of
with negligence related to the development of the building. Tenants were apparently permitted to install diesel-fueled backup generators. Claims against Citigroup alleged that “an unreasonable amount of diesel fuel” in two 6,000-gallon tanks was incorporated into the design.
#101. To: RickyJ (#99)
Why use exotic technology when tested and proved "old fashioned" technology can get the job done easier and cheaper?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#102. To: GreyLmist (#100)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#103. To: FormerLurker (#96)
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In terms of video manipulation, it is the no-plane promoters who have created the fake videos.
the airliner is all over the map in elevation/floors of the building,...descent,...flight track,
they have it flying in level and straight...and other coverage has it banking with offset wing tilt.
This is proof of CGI overlay.
No 757/767 crashed into the Pentalawn.....86 camera's having their field view coverage confiscated outs them.....or they would be showing that on 9-11 Greatest hits DVD.
same for Shanksville....no airliner disappeared into that rabbit hole.
They could fly an airliner into both WTC towers by computer overide.
or they could slam cruise missiles into the building and overlay the track with a CGI airliner.
or they could blow up those floors with pre set explosives,...and CGI the track/impact and detonation.
The fact is....they can do up 9-11 numerous ways.....and leave people like you ninnying over details.
There's people over at LP who still think Moo si lums pulled it all off ...100 over 100.
Pulling the 9-11 curtain back to catch MR Jew Supremacist and his insider business friends is way more important.....and the subject* the media and gatekeepers on web forums....do not want people to stop and kick the traces over.
#104. To: Parrot with speed dial (#103)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#105. To: Parrot with speed dial (#103)
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"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#106. To: RickyJ, *9-11* (#100)
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RickyJ: if you don't think it was possible in 2001 for a thermite technology to turn concrete to dust, think again!
Filing date: Aug 29, 1994
Issue date: Jul 2, 1996 the present invention...melts a surface of a concrete structure...the present invention is free of a potential fire because of the capability of controlling the heating, and does not produce any noise...applicable to both small-sized and large-sized concrete demolishing apparatus...if desired, a switch can be utilized to apply a signal to control means...An input terminal of a control means is connected to the wiring between the direct current source and the electrode to provide control means with a signal...The dummy electrode is provided because it greatly increases the amount of the concrete which is melted. Preferably, the dummy electrode is of a material with good electrical and thermal conductivities...the present invention...is also applicable to a large scale demolition of a concrete structure. For example, a large concrete demolishing apparatus having two large electrodes, a control system...the large electrodes in such a manner as to interlock with the generation and stoppage of a voltage applied to the large electrodes. The two large electrodes are positioned in close proximity to a surface of a concrete structure. Then, an arc discharge is induced between the two electrodes...compact and easy to carry out under electical control...can demolish concrete at a high efficiency.
#107. To: GreyLmist, RickyJ, All, *9-11* (#106)
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A plasma arc as a Directed Energy source in conjunction with electrification of concrete surfaces, eh?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#108. To: FormerLurker (#104)
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People like you piss off. You've either fallen for the bullshit, or you're part of it.
#109. To: FormerLurker (#107)
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OMG.
Am posting this because the methods described above might possibly have been adaptable in a Directed Energy demolition of the WTC Towers and without the use of thermitics; perhaps in combination with the conductivity of the steel-framed structures and with the applied current adjusted to below the melting point of concrete.
#110. To: FormerLurker, titorite (#98)
Don't you think if we had such sophisticated weaponry they would have been put to use by now in terms of actual warfare?
As far as a beam weapon being used against the WTC towers, let's look at the factors, besides the fact such a weapon most probably doesn't exist.
#111. To: Original_Intent, *9-11* (#110)
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From explosives we could expect certainly some great degree of dust from the collapse but it is the quality of the dust i.e., its very fine, almost microscopic, grain combined with greater volume than can really be accounted for by explosion and collapse.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#112. To: FormerLurker (#105)
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Post a link to that if it exists. All the no-planer claims I've seen were either backed by tampered video, or were outright misrepresentations of what actually took place.
I'm not your slave......NO....go visit the site yourself.
You enjoy the strawman/trap argument with labels.....then insults.
I said....No Airliners**....Pentalawn and Shanksville.
and then stated the Elite who pulled off 9-11 could fly them in by remote,...or could use cruise missile's and overlay that by CGI,....or blow the floors up with explosives....and have a pre canned feed with CGI overlay for WTC 1&2
Your No planer* label is fail!...cuz there was NO Planes** at 2 of the days events.
and the possibility remains there was no planes in all 4 cases.
there is hard radar track data showing these planes dissapearing from their tracks,.....but they cycle a signal and are recorded elsewhere in real time
ACARS CONFIRMED - 9/11 AIRCRAFT AIRBORNE LONG AFTER CRASH [s/Pilots for 9-11 truth]
excerpt:
Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System (ACARS) is a device used to send messages to and from an aircraft. Very similar to text messages and email we use today, Air Traffic Control, the airline itself, and other airplanes can communicate with each other via this "texting" system. ACARS was developed in 1978 and is still used today. Similar to cell phone networks, the ACARS network has remote ground stations installed around the world to route messages from ATC, the airline, etc, to the aircraft depending on it's location and vice versa. ACARS Messages have been provided through the Freedom Of Information Act (FOIA) which demonstrate that the aircraft received messages through ground stations located in Harrisburg, PA, and then later routed through a ground station in Pittsburgh, 20 minutes after the aircraft allegedly impacted the South Tower in New York. How can messages be routed through such remote locations if the aircraft was in NY, not to mention how can messages be routed to an aircraft which allegedly crashed 20 minutes earlier? Pilots For 9/11 Truth have briefly touched on this subject in 9/11: Intercepted through the excellent research of "Woody Box", who initially discovered such alarming information in the released FOIA documents(1). We now have further information which confirms the aircraft was not in the vicinity of New York City when the attacks occurred. [end]
You appear to have control issues on the 9-11's day unfolding.
Why rage at new considerations or theories?
You can't claim the TV version of 9-11 is valid.....the media were caught doing realtime program deception numerous times.
Before the day was out that piece of trash defence minister of IsraHell went on record in an BBC interview.....He brings up Bin Laden in A Stan,....says we will know* in 12 hours....
then lists out Rogue states...Iran,Iraq,Libya....to be taken down.... “Within six or ten years“.
That's evidence IsraHell was in on 9-11,....along with so many scheming of the Tribe who positionally moved stock play,...Insurance, and were awarded contracts with no bid/no competition as direct outcome...in some cases....they were in motion in hours....evidence of conspiracy.
#113. To: FormerLurker, titorite (#111)
Additionally, you are saying that we don't know what a classified weapon would do, or what it would be, since its classified.
Don't you think we should give the same sort of consideration to nanothermite explosives, which more than likely DO exist, and MAY actually cause the effects seen in the WTC collapse, ESPECIALLY since unreacted nanothermite WAS found in the WTC debris?
#114. To: FormerLurker, Parrot with speed dial, titorite (#105)
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Parrot with speed dial: the airliner is all over the map in elevation/floors of the building,...descent,...flight track, they have it flying in level and straight...and other coverage has it banking with offset wing tilt.
YouTube Playlist: 9/11 Anthology - No Planes and Media Fakery Research + | Currently 64 short video selections. Duration in Play all format: 4:49:19.
#115. To: Original_Intent, FormerLurker, titorite, GreyLmist (#113)
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#116. To: wudidiz, abraxas, *9-11* (#115)
December 1, 2012 Article by Pete: Episode #285 - Extremely Disturbing 9-11 Audio Jason Bermas & Alex Jones
Dr. Judy Wood will be on The Pete Santilli Show on Thursday December 15th and Friday December 16th for a blockbuster back-to-back presentation. You don't want to miss these episodes....you will quickly learn why InfoWars.com does NOT want you to know the whole truth about 9-11, because over 10 years they've failed to bring you key evidence you'll hear about in this presentation that changes everything they've been telling you.
#117. To: Parrot with speed dial, GreyLmist, wudidiz, titorite, all goverment paid shills (#112)
You can't claim the TV version of 9-11 is valid.....the media were caught doing realtime program deception numerous times.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#118. To: GreyLmist (#114)
That shouldn't be news to you, FL. We've discussed such before and titorite has too -- with video exampled and (in one of your own threads) with emphasis by me on CBS footage especially, which displays very different [WTC 2] plane trajectories:
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#119. To: titorite, christine (#108)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#120. To: Parrot with speed dial (#112)
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"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#121. To: FormerLurker (#120)
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#122. To: Original_Intent, *9-11* (#113)
One of the major problems would have been to control the collapse, again as observed, by means sufficient to contain the destruction to just the towers and that is what we observe. Nanotherumites were almost certainly used to cut key structural members but would not, I do not believe, have been sufficient to contain the collapse in the manner which we observe.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#123. To: FormerLurker (#118)
(Edited)
No matter what factual evidence I present, your fairy tales sound more appealing to the audience, and apparently I have no allies here.
#124. To: FormerLurker (#122)
(Edited)
OI, this will probably be my last post on this forum.
#125. To: titorite (#124)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#126. To: FormerLurker (#125)
#127. To: titorite (#126)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#128. To: FormerLurker (#125)
drama queen
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#129. To: FormerLurker (#127)
(Edited)
It's very convenient posting anonymously and claiming you're really a superhero in real life. I just noticed you on another thread, saying that you spoke to Alex Jones about starting a revolution, then went on in a subsequent post trying to get people interested in "meetups" hosted by you.
#130. To: titorite (#129)
(Edited)
I never said nothing about speaking to Alex Jones.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#131. To: FormerLurker (#130)
(Edited)
Oh I'm sorry, I thought you were talking about Alex Jones. Now I see you were in fact telling Christine that you were speaking to Randy Weaver about the "merits of revolution".
#132. To: titorite (#131)
Don't tread in that water. You wern't there.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#133. To: FormerLurker (#132)
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#134. To: titorite (#133)
Then inconsistencies and phoneyness is what you have chosen.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#135. To: titorite (#133)
Fuck you please leave.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#136. To: FormerLurker (#135)
#137. To: titorite (#133)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#138. To: titorite (#136)
In the totality of life all a man truly has is his word.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#139. To: FormerLurker (#138)
#140. To: Parrot with speed dial (#112)
(Edited)
Readers can visit Pilots for 9-11 truth...the above is on the main page. You appear to have control issues on the 9-11's day unfolding.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#141. To: titorite (#139)
I have my word.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#142. To: FormerLurker (#141)
Your word is shit.
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