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Title: Alex Jones Compars Judy Wood 911 Analysis to "Space Beams"
Source: you tube
URL Source: http://youtu.be/3p5VibTaUeQ
Published: Dec 1, 2012
Author: Santilli Covering AJ/Bermas Idiocy
Post Date: 2012-12-01 09:57:34 by abraxas
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#61. To: FormerLurker (#53)

you can't even tell us where you think that "directed energy beam" weapon was fired from in order to destroy the WTC towers

As usual, no matter how many times you're told something, it's like in one ear and out the other with you. As I said to you before, I wouldn't rule out that something devastating was directed from underground in the vicinty. Additionally, if you were really interested at all in the topic, you'd find various reasonable discussions of the possibilites roundabout on the net -- a boat in the area, for one example. Not necessarily "space" stationed, as you like to demean the subject matter.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-12-05   23:22:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#62. To: titorite (#58)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directed-energy_weapons

If you can not click a link that has been given to you repeated times for a question you have asked over and over then your a fucking idiot not worthy of the attention people waste on you.

fucking disinformationalst tool.

Did you even bother reading the link you posted you fucking retarded Mossad tool?

There is not ONE weapon at that link which could have brought down the towers, and if you don't know that, you're a bigger idiot than I thought you were.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-12-05   23:25:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#63. To: GreyLmist (#61)

I said to you before, I wouldn't rule out that something devastating was directed from underground in the vicinty. Additionally, if you were really interested at all in the topic, you'd find various reasonable discussions of the possibilites roundabout on the net -- a boat in the area, for one example.

Uh huh. Or perhaps those evil Muslims just prayed to Allah and he blew them down with his own breath.

That's about as plausible as what you suggest.

Again, name me ONE weapon which could bring down the WTC towers as they were brought down.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-12-05   23:27:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#64. To: GreyLmist, James Deffenbach (#59)

I spelled it that way on purpose because I don't consider it magical, as you apparently do -- also because that's the way 9/11 majikal jet fuel is spelled around here. If you don't believe me, go ask James Deffenbach.

I believe James and I were discussing this with BeAChooser well before you ever posted on any forum.

And just because you choose to add the word MAGICKAL to the word explosive doesn't mean it would have to be "magical", "majikal", or "magickal" explosives, unlike the jet fuel the government is peddling, or the non-existent super duper beam weapon that you insist brought down the towers.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-12-05   23:31:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#65. To: titorite (#58)

BTW agent titorite, are you saying BOTH nuclear weapons AND beam weapons brought down the towers now? Do you even know what a nuclear blast looks like?

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-12-05   23:39:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#66. To: James Deffenbach, FormerLurker (#60)

Yeah, I often talk about the "magickal jet fuel" that reconstituted itself over and over, burned hotter than any ever had before or since and melted steel beams which also had never happened before. I got that spelling from buck iirc. Of course I know how magical is spelled and I suspect he does too but I just think it is funny.

A hat-tip to buck and you, JD. It is funny. Sobering-like too. So, there ya go, FL. Now you should be up to speed on that issue. Since I hadn't seen it mentioned here for a while, I technically did misspell it. I guess that gives me the patent on the descriptor, majikal-nanothermite. he-he-he.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-12-05   23:41:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#67. To: FormerLurker (#64)

I believe James and I were discussing this with BeAChooser...

Yeah, and he would say, "You're a KOOK! ROTFLOL!" One of his standard replies.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.    Lord Acton

The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi

"If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken

"..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..."  Lawrence M. Vance

Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)

James Deffenbach  posted on  2012-12-05   23:44:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#68. To: FormerLurker (#63)

Again, name me ONE weapon which could bring down the WTC towers as they were brought down.

Dragging your feet on that weaponry-inventory project of secretive installations in the world that I spoke to you about at #55, I see. Let me know when you're ready to give us the Area 51 tour for starters.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-12-05   23:50:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#69. To: James Deffenbach, All (#60)

What it comes down to James is that there is a philosophical notion called Occam's Razor, which dictates that the simplist solution is usually the correct solution.

In other words, rather than jumping to nuclear weapons (which would be serious overkill besides the fact it'd be impossible to hide their use) and far- fetched energy beam weapons which nobody can quite find any info on, and have no evidence of, it's MUCH simpler to work with the assumption that either conventional or advanced explosives were used to bring down those towers.

What all this "nukes and beams" nonsense does is divert attention away from the very real fact that those towers couldn't have fallen because of the "magickal jet fuel", and instead causes those presenting evidence of how impossible it would be for the jet fuel to have been responsible for the collapses to be attacked by self proclaimed "truthers" who care more about who can come up with the wildest stories rather than who can come up with the most factual scientific evidence.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-12-05   23:52:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#70. To: GreyLmist (#68)

So in other words, you admit that there is NO energy beam weapon known to exist that can bring down a structure.

Try to stick to facts and science rather than wild speculation and ficticious weaponry which most likely won't exist for another 100 years.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-12-05   23:54:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#71. To: James Deffenbach (#67)

Yeah, and he would say, "You're a KOOK! ROTFLOL!" One of his standard replies.

Surprised our little friends here haven't started using that expression themselves.

I wonder if one of them is our old pal...

They're obviously on the same "team" at least.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-12-05   23:55:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#72. To: GreyLmist, James Deffenbach (#66)

A hat-tip to buck and you, JD. It is funny

Uh, buckeroo was a government jet fuel story believer. You're confusing him with someone else.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-12-05   23:57:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#73. To: FormerLurker (#65) (Edited)

Do you understand that an investigation of WMDs per 9/11 -- or any other investigation for that matter -- doesn't generally begin with all the answers just because you think it should and think you have all of them?

Edited for punctuation.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-12-05   23:58:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#74. To: GreyLmist (#73)

Do you understand that you don't jump into wild insane speculation that has no basis in probability nor logic, especially when there are valid, plausible, and scientific explanations based on observed phenonema and forensic evidence?

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-12-06   0:01:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#75. To: GreyLmist (#73)

What it comes down to is that there is NO reason why conventional or advanced EXPLOSIVES could not have been used to bring down those towers EXACTLY as they were brought down.

They DO exist, they are KNOWN to exist, and they CAN and DO behave in a way which would have caused the top down collapse of the towers, using precision timing most likely via computer control and wireless signal.

Exploding buildings DO generate dust clouds, as can be seen on any controlled demolition video. Do I need to post that demolition video again, perhaps you'll stop the "explosives can't do that" nonsense for another 50 posts or so, till you think the vid is off the page, then you'll start again I'm sure.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-12-06   0:08:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#76. To: FormerLurker (#72)

A hat-tip to buck and you, JD. It is funny

Uh, buckeroo was a government jet fuel story believer. You're confusing him with someone else.

Uh, passing whichever buck was referenced at #60 -- not by me -- back to you, FL. Mosey on back there and figure it out.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-12-06   0:20:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#77. To: FormerLurker (#69)

the very real fact that those towers couldn't have fallen because of the "magickal jet fuel",

Yeah, it is why I make fun of the magickal jet fuel theory. One of the most preposterous theories the government put out for naive and gullible people to latch on to.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.    Lord Acton

The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi

"If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken

"..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..."  Lawrence M. Vance

Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)

James Deffenbach  posted on  2012-12-06   0:25:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#78. To: FormerLurker (#72)

Uh, buckeroo was a government jet fuel story believer. You're confusing him with someone else.

Oh, I only borrowed his spelling of "magickal." I know he believed the government fairy tale about 9/11.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.    Lord Acton

The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi

"If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken

"..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..."  Lawrence M. Vance

Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)

James Deffenbach  posted on  2012-12-06   0:32:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#79. To: FormerLurker (#62)

Did you even bother reading the link you posted you fucking retarded Mossad tool?

There is not ONE weapon at that link which could have brought down the towers, and if you don't know that, you're a bigger idiot than I thought you were.

So in otherwords you are a lying shit that is to lazy or too unwilling to click a link.

All the information is there and your pronouncements doesn't change that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directed-energy_weapons

FOLKS , BYSTANDERS , DONT BE A LAZY LIAR LIKE FORMER LURKER HERE. IF YOU WANT TO EDUCATE YOURSELF THE INTERNET IS RIGHT HERE AND LINKS HAVE EVEN BEEN PROVIDED. THEIR ARE NASTY ENERGY WEAPONS OUT THERE THAT CAN ATOMIZE STONE AND METAL. THE SHIT IS REAL. DENOUNCING IT BECAUSE IT SOUNDS SCARY OR DISCREDITS A PET THEORY IS FOOLISHNESS.

Don't be like Former Lurker. Don't be foolish. If you want to know the truth you can.... you can look for yourself...Should look for yourself.

Look at his words and look at mine and looks at others.... but at any time if any of us say "DON'T LISTEN TO SO AND SO BECAUSE I SAY SO" That is the suspect you might be wary of.

_______________________________________________________________________________ The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself,Take Action!!!

titorite  posted on  2012-12-06   0:39:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#80. To: FormerLurker (#74) (Edited)

Do you understand that you don't jump into wild insane speculation that has no basis in probability nor logic, especially when there are valid, plausible, and scientific explanations based on observed phenonema and forensic evidence?

You are welcome to leave the 9/11 discussions of WMD probabilities any time you like, if it troubles you so much. Undoubtedly there is no shortage presently of people who will go along with your arguments that conventional controlled demolitions are commonplace; Ergo, the very different, top-down unraveling at the WTC can likewise be compared and explained away so, too, but I'm not one of them. You're seemingly on a mission to dumb-down 9/11 for mass-market appeal and I am currently not interested in fencing back and forth about it, so I'll find something else to do for the time-being and leave this study-guide here for you to contend with. There are, of course, better samplings but they'd likely get kicked to the curb or down a memory hole by you anyway, so I reckoned against extra-expenditures of energy to provide a variety. Thought you might at least give this one more than a quick scan or dismissal out-of-hand without even reading it if you saw the word mossad in the title:

ronmossad A final word on Niels Harrit, nanothermite, 9-11 truth and basic common sense

It's hard for me...or anyone with a modicum of common sense to take this report seriously when the items they based this report on were given to them by residents of Lower Manhattan almost SIX YEARS after the Towers fell. These samples were not kept in sterile environments by any stretch of the imagination and were handled by ordinary, non-scientist New Yorkers. The paper also never actually says that material in question is nanothermite or even regular thermite......rather that...

These observations reminded us of nano-thermite [sic]

The material they found, that had been contaminated over six years, reminded them of nanothermite or regular thermite but probably nanothermite no really it's almost definitely the nano kind. Or it might be just regular paint. Except that it also has rust and aluminum in it. Which may be a result of the contamination or it may just be because those two substances are present in just about every structure

Edited for spacing.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-12-06   1:35:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#81. To: titorite (#79)

So in otherwords you are a lying shit that is to lazy or too unwilling to click a link.

Hey shit for brains, cut and paste the ONE weapon from that link which you believe brought down the towers. Go ahead and show everyone exactly how smart you are.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-12-06   1:51:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#82. To: GreyLmist, *9-11* (#80)

You are welcome to leave the 9/11 discussions of WMD probabilities any time you like

You're welcome to use your intelligence anytime you want. I see you're not keen on it too often.

I keep asking you to specify an energy beam weapon which could destroy a structure such as the WTC, yet you can't come up with one which actually COULD.

But that doesn't stop you from attacking those who ask you for evidence of what you say.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-12-06   1:55:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#83. To: FormerLurker (#81)

Yes yes I know you require everyone else to do everything else for you because you can not be bothered to do anything but denounce everyone and everything that does not fit your exact version of the events.

Only the deluded and the guilty act in such a manner. Since you're not smart enough to be one of the guilty planners the process of eliminating insists upon you being a willing dupe. Their is no more retched kind of slave than the one ignorant of his servitude.

We have given you cut and pastes and links and evidence you you continue to act like a 2 year old saying nu uh nu uh nu uh it's fucking pathetic.

Doing anything for you is a pointless gesture because you are a liar, don't you get it? Your word is worthless. Nobody will do things for an untrust worthy cretin like you. People don't do favours over and over for bad people. And you are asking for us to provide you with the same favour that has already been provided for you over and over.

Well no more buddy, you're cut off. Please leave the bar. Do not pass go, do not expect anyone to do anything for you. You would be a fool if you did.

_______________________________________________________________________________ The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself,Take Action!!!

titorite  posted on  2012-12-06   4:01:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#84. To: Parrot with speed dial (#45)

.where you see fountains of molten steel and alloy flow out of the towers like a waterfall.....thats the Nano - thermate/thermite...doing its thing. yet still...you can see the top portion of the tower pivot over centre and lean...some 30 plus floors...and become powder in milliseconds! Thats a directed energy weapon!

And that is entirely plausible as well.

_______________________________________________________________________________ The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself,Take Action!!!

titorite  posted on  2012-12-06   4:29:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#85. To: titorite, *9-11* (#83) (Edited)

Yes yes I know you require everyone else to do everything else for you

Uh, no. YOU claim that YOU know WHAT sort of device was used to bring down the WTC towers, EXCEPT you can't or WON'T tell us what exactly that weapon IS.

So that makes you a snake oil saleman who can't or won't tell his customers what exactly he's selling, yet expects them to get on their knees and throw their money at him as if he's the 2nd coming of Jesus.

What it comes down to is that you are the forum liar, the disinformationalist who sucks so bad at his job that he can't even present a valid or logical argument.

That, or you are one VERY stupid and deluded psychopath, one who believes his own fantasies and get's VERY mad when people see through his lies and asks for any sort of clarification or proof.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-12-06   4:40:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#86. To: titorite, *Black Ops - Psyops* (#84) (Edited)

I think this following article allows people to see what exactly you're all about...

How To Spot a Sociopath

Did you get "programmed" when you were a wee lad, or are you just a natural born psycho?

Edit: I missed the part about the common sociopath being "highly intelligent", so I guess that rules you out. Unless of course you're just PRETENDING to be stupid.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-12-06   4:44:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#87. To: FormerLurker (#86) (Edited)

Here we go typicical tit for tat?

Do you wanna discuss the topic of the threads? FUCK NO!

You wanna debate my childhood, the big gulp at 7-11 what the fuck ever else you can bring up

Former Lurker YOU ARE A DEVIOUS LYING SOB THAT IS ALWAYS, AND I MEAN ALWAYS ,SIDE TRACKING THESE CONVERSATIONS.

One has to wonder what your cowardly ass fears about people talking about 911 and Direct energy weapons being involved.... because it seems to scare you like a school girl and you do all that you can to denounce it and you have no problem lying to do it.

Shame on you.

Also I've mentioned that I thought it was most likely a form of microwave long ago in another one of these threads you derailed and messed up.

You want me to bring it up again, and again and again..

Like I said, you have been given evidence multiple times. Lots of links and picture have been given. All you do is repeat your calls to be shown what you have been shown already like a repetitive two year old that doesn't know any better. It is as childish as using the black ops ping list as your personal insult tool. Just fucking immature.

You are a fool thinking that people will continue to do for a snake in the grass such as yourself. A bona fide fool.

_______________________________________________________________________________ The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself,Take Action!!!

titorite  posted on  2012-12-06   4:48:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#88. To: abraxas (#0)

Thank you for posting this abraxas.

It was interesting and sad to see how little regard they have for their audience.

That first caller never even got to make his second comment.

_______________________________________________________________________________ The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself,Take Action!!!

titorite  posted on  2012-12-06   4:57:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#89. To: titorite, All (#87)

You are a fool thinking that people will continue to do for a snake in the grass such as yourself. A bona fide fool.

Again, you project your faults onto others and overlook the advice you should yourself take.

All I did was ask you to name me ONE "directed energy weapon" which would be capable of bringing down the WTC towers as they were brought down.

You stomp your feet, hurl insults, accuse me of "lying" without saying exactly what it is I'm supposed to be lying about, just because YOU can't name even ONE such weapon.

You posted a link which points to a list of energy weapons, claiming THAT'S the answer. I asked you to name me ONE, just ONE weapon from that list which you feel was responsible for the collapse of the towers, and instead, you tell me that's MY job. Are you a fucking lunatic?

It is YOU who is making a claim, it is YOUR job to tell us what it is exactly you are claiming, not mine or anyone else's.

Grow the fuck up and stop acting like a 2 year old who isn't getting his way.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-12-06   11:49:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#90. To: titorite (#87)

Also I've mentioned that I thought it was most likely a form of microwave long ago in another one of these threads you derailed and messed up.

Oh, so now you're back to microwaves, eh? Are you aware of the fact that even battlefield microwave devices are only capable of causing intense heat under the skin of their human targets?

Microwaves heat up water molecules, thus, since there is no water in concrete and steel, they would NOT be capable of causing ANY damage to the WTC towers nor any other solid structure.

Stop believing every hairbrained tale you hear just because it includes some fancy words you aren't familiar with.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-12-06   11:54:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#91. To: FormerLurker (#90) (Edited)

Microwaves heat up water molecules, thus, since there is no water in concrete and steel, they would NOT be capable of causing ANY damage to the WTC towers nor any other solid structure.

There is some water in concrete. Rapid heating of it possibly could cause the concrete to explode, but it would take very high levels of microwave radiation to accomplish that for a whole floor, and each floor would have to have a separate microwave generator I think for there to be any chance for this to work. It would require enormous amounts of power as well, which they could not really depend on since power failures are fairly common in New York City.

Tons of explosives make much more sense though. Sure it would take a long time to place all those explosives and it would cost a lot, but the people who planned and carried out 9/11 had plenty of money and plenty of time to do the job right.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2012-12-06   12:57:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#92. To: RickyJ (#91) (Edited)

The amount of power required to heat up a chunk of concrete would be enormous, never mind that required to heat an entire 110 story building to the point it fell apart.

As an experiment, one could get a small piece of concrete and put it in the microwave oven. Leave it there for 10 minutes, then check the temperature.

I'd wager that it's the same temperature as it was when it was first put in the oven.

I doubt the entire power output of NYC would be sufficient to bring down the WTC towers using microwaves. It just isn't efficient nor feasible.

These "no-planers" latch on to every logically unsound and physically impossible story they lay their eyes on.

I think it's sort of clear what they're really up to.

They try their hardest to eliminate the most likely cause of the collapse, being explosives, and fish through the mud trying to convince people it was really some sort of futuristic weapon which doesn't exist. That or nuclear bombs.

It truly seems that they are trying to convince the public that anyone who disagrees with the official story is a raving lunatic, calling themselves "researchers" and "truthers", themselves attacking the real researchers who have uncovered substantial evidence concerning the demolition of the towers.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-12-06   13:46:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#93. To: RickyJ (#91)

Tons of explosives make much more sense though. Sure it would take a long time to place all those explosives and it would cost a lot, but the people who planned and carried out 9/11 had plenty of money and plenty of time to do the job right.

Sure...that does make sense.
Yet 9-11 is a message/a claim/hidden occult/...and the kick off to the next phase of Grand Chessboard.
The Airliner flight numbers...even the floors impacted are direct take from Aleister Crowley and his Orient occult forwards.
9-11 is also pre canned CGI....
Yes the towers fell....but you watched CGI overlay...
Cluesforum has loads of evidence for CGI and post event video and photoshop manipulation.
My view on the military/technology side...is they did use directed energy weapon to bring down WTC 1/2
Its a boast and message statement to powers looking in on 9-11,...as the Elite show what they can do...in plain sight.

Parrot with speed dial  posted on  2012-12-06   14:07:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#94. To: titorite (#79)

THEIR ARE NASTY ENERGY WEAPONS OUT THERE THAT CAN ATOMIZE STONE AND METAL.

Uh huh. Besides nuclear bombs, name me ONE, just ONE such weapon which can do as you say.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-12-06   14:13:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#95. To: Parrot with speed dial, RickyJ (#93)

Sorry you've fallen for the "no-planes" disinfo campaign. It's in much greater swing than I had imagined, but after looking over all the fake videos on YouTube and various stooges proclaiming themselves experts, while assassinating the character of actual scientists who have presented bona-fide facts and evidence, I see those behind 9/11 found an effective way to neutralize the 9/11 Truth movement.

Think about it for one full minute. Besides successfully fracturing the truth movement, it buries any real facts, and causes the general public to view "truthers" as lunatics and idiots.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-12-06   14:17:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#96. To: Parrot with speed dial (#93)

In terms of video manipulation, it is the no-plane promoters who have created the fake videos.

If you watch the actual broadcast videos of that morning, there are NO discrepencies in what was seen. The people of NY City saw with their eyes what everyone else saw on TV.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-12-06   14:20:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#97. To: FormerLurker, titorite (#94)

THEIR ARE NASTY ENERGY WEAPONS OUT THERE THAT CAN ATOMIZE STONE AND METAL.

Uh huh. Besides nuclear bombs, name me ONE, just ONE such weapon which can do as you say.

Any such weapons are in the black budget and buried under layer after layer of classification. Rumors do leak out though. Just as we know that there is, and has been a secret space program, we know that weapons the public are allowed to know about are a minimum of 20 to 30 years behind actual capability. We do know that sonic weapons can achieve that effect and Scalar Weapons (based on Tesla's research and breakthroughs) can likely do the same. We can look at the observed phenomena and infer the existence of a cause e.g., the microfine dust at the WTC Towers when they collapsed. That dust is an unexplained phenomena which has never been observed in any other event. So, it is rational and logical to infer a cause of that phenomena. While we cannot prove the existence of something that exists with in the world of high level weapons research we can infer and deduce its existence from the observed phenomena.

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-12-06   14:21:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#98. To: Original_Intent (#97)

OI, I don't know if there is a secret space program or not, maybe there is.

However, I find it VERY unlikely that we have weapons which basically function like phaser beams.

Sure there are sophisticated anti-missile weapons, designed to be effective in space against incoming ICBMs. They might use high powered lasers for that.

However, beam weapons effective in the atmosphere are highly unlikely at this point in time. Concerning scaler weapons, I had read about scaler waves over a decade ago, but have seen no proof that they are effective as weapons.

Don't you think if we had such sophisticated weaponry they would have been put to use by now in terms of actual warfare?

As far as a beam weapon being used against the WTC towers, let's look at the factors, besides the fact such a weapon most probably doesn't exist.

How would it manage to cause a symetrical top down collapse? Would there be four separate beams aimed at each corner of the building, tracking each floor downwards at the precise time? Where would such weapons be positioned, and where would they derive their power from?

How would they avoid penetrating past the WTC into adjacent buildings?

Again, Occam's Razor indicates the most likely answer is that explosives were used to achieve what was witnessed. It CAN be done, and it WOULD have created dust just as witnessed.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-12-06   15:05:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#99. To: FormerLurker (#98)

How would they avoid penetrating past the WTC into adjacent buildings?

Again, Occam's Razor indicates the most likely answer is that explosives were used to achieve what was witnessed. It CAN be done, and it WOULD have created dust just as witnessed.

Basic logic like yours above is lacking in today's society. I'm not sure why it is so hard for some people to believe that tons and tons of explosives could turn concrete into fine dust. Why use exotic technology when tested and proved "old fashioned" technology can get the job done easier and cheaper?

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2012-12-06   15:24:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#100. To: RickyJ, *9-11* (#91) (Edited)

There is some water in concrete. Rapid heating of it possibly could cause the concrete to explode, but it would take very high levels of microwave radiation to accomplish that for a whole floor, and each floor would have to have a separate microwave generator I think for there to be any chance for this to work. It would require enormous amounts of power as well, which they could not really depend on since power failures are fairly common in New York City.

Am archiving the data below for referencing in considerations of available power that could possibly have been diverted for Directed Energy weaponry usage when shut downs began at 8:46 a.m.; and also regarding the reductions of usage in the area from evacuations, as well:

http://media.nara.gov/9-11/MFR/t-0148-911MFR-00174.pdf

UNCLASSIFIED
Commission Sensitive
MEMORANDUM FOR THE RECORD
Type of event: Interview of Consolidated Edison Company of New York officials
Date: February 26, 2004
Special Access Issues: None

The World Trade Center area was divided into network areas: Park Place Network, World Trade Center Network, Battery Park Network, Cortlandt Network, Fulton Network, and Bowling Green Network. The main power was supplied from Brooklyn.

There were two substations in WTC 7 building, serving the twin towers, and one substation by the South Street Seaport. A total of eight 13 kW feeders were located at the WTC.

Timeline on 9/11/2001:
08:46 a.m. Two WTC open/auto (O/A) 13 kW feeders went off [My Note: Alleged Flt. 11 impacts WTC 1/North Tower within that minute.]
09:02 a.m. Two additional WTC open/auto (O/A) 13 kW went off [My Note: Within the next minute, alleged Flt. 175 impacts WTC 2/South Tower at 9:03 a.m., approx. 17 minutes after WTC 1/North Tower was allegedly impacted.]
09:52 a.m. Four additional open/auto (O/A) 13 kW feeders went off
[My Note: Approx. 7 minutes later, at 9:59 a.m., WTC 2/South Tower falls after burning for approx. 56 minutes.]
10:28 a.m. Status: [My Note: Approx. 29 minutes after WTC 2/South Tower fell, WTC 1/North Tower falls at 10:28 a.m. after burning for approx. 102 minutes. At the time:]

Cortlandt 8 of 15 feeders were off
Battery Park City 6 of 8 feeders were off
Bowling Green 6 of 16 feeders were off
Park Place 1 of 12 feeders were off

Con Ed can lose any 2 feeders, and not lose a network grid. [sic] The NYSE was located in the Bowling Green network. Since all 8 feeders were lost prior to WTC South tower falling, it was possible the lights had gone out before. However, the Port Authority controlled the equipment in the towers and Con Ed did not know exactly what happened inside the towers. They did have maps of the towers and were prepared to help the Port Authority in the event they were needed. As the towers fell, they were destroying sub service station suppliers. By 10:30 a.m. the only place totally out of electricity was the WTC complex.

The evacuation of lower Manhattan reduced the load requirements and helped as the electricity was lost following the collapse. Many building owners turned off the HVAC when they left the buildings so the bad air would not circulate which also saved electricity. Had this attack occurred in hotter summer weather, with the increased use of air conditioning, things could have been worse.

9/11 WTC Timeline references for the notes above in blue:

http://www.wanttoknow.info/9-11cover-up10pg

8:46 AM: Flight 11 crashes into the WTC (World Trade Center) north tower. [approximately 26 minutes after controllers lost contact][New York Times, 9/12/01]

9:03 AM: Flight 175 crashes into the south WTC tower. [23 minutes after NORAD notified, 43 minutes after air traffic control lost contact with pilots][New York Times, 9/12/01, CNN, 9/12/01]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Center#Destruction

At 9:59 a.m., the South Tower collapsed after burning for approximately 56 minutes.

The North Tower collapsed at 10:28 a.m., after burning for approximately 102 minutes.

Edited second blue-note + for highlighting, date formatting and to expand the next to last paragraph of the .gov pdf file excerpts.

Edit to include additional related info and for formatting:

Con Ed suit against Silverstein and Citigroup at 7 WTC dismissed

September 27, 2011 04:05PM

Silverstein’s 7WTCo., an LLC controlled by Silverstein Properties, was charged with two counts of with negligence related to the development of the building. Tenants were apparently permitted to install diesel-fueled backup generators. Claims against Citigroup alleged that “an unreasonable amount of diesel fuel” in two 6,000-gallon tanks was incorporated into the design.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-12-06   15:31:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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