Border officers from the U.S. Department of Homeland Security at an internal suspicionless checkpoint in New Mexico were shown last week that if they have no reasonable suspicion or probable cause, they can not deter occupants of a vehicle even if the person does not answer their questions.
A commercial truck driver was off duty in the sleeper berth when he was awakened by an officer at the checkpoint, which was nowhere near an international border. The driver, having dealt with the issue before, did not appreciate being woken up by cops once again. Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration regulations dictate that every commercial driver must have a 10 hour off duty period to sleep between shifts, and is not to be disturbed. Any driver who violates these safety rules can be prosecuted. So why are federal law enforcement officers and police across the country in the habit and practice of waking up truckers illegally, when the federal rules were put in place to specifically maintain the safety of both commercial drivers and individual motorists? Federal agencies have completed studies on the danger of fatigue related big-rig crashes, thus enforcing extremely strict guidelines and logbook rules. [See also The Effect of Rest-Schedule Orientation on Sleep Quality of Commercial Drivers.]
The driver had two Texas troopers wake him up in 2010 when he was off duty sleeping and his co-driver pulled into a weigh station. The Texas Department of Public Safety officially admitted wrongdoing in that case, admonishing the two officers with 'corrective action' and 'retraining provided'. The troopers are currently defendants in a federal lawsuit as a result of their acts.
In this case, a similar situation, a New Mexico border agent shouted through the window while standing on the truck, waking the sleeping person and demanding to know if he was a citizen. Once again, the driver recorded the entire interaction and refused to answer questions, rebuking both the officer and his supervisor for violating federal law.
Upon questioning the supervisor briefly claimed he was detaining the man, but upon being asked what crime he was being accused of, the supervisor quickly did a 180 degree turnabout and admitted that the man was free to go "now that we know that you're a U.S. citizen." However, note that the man never once answered any questions or said that he was a U.S. citizen. On what basis therefore, were the New Mexico officers claiming knowledge of his citizenship? Is it merely because he was white and speaks English? Does this mean that they racially profile? Because that is the exact opposite of their department's own stated policy.
The reality is that Americans are not obligated to answer questions asked by border agents at suspcionless checkpoints regarding citizenship, "where they're headed", or anything else. Terry Bressi of CheckpointUSA.org recently won over $200,000 in a federal lawsuit from Homeland Security. [Be sure to check out his youtube channel!]. Bressi points out on his blog that the border patrol themselves have answered questions in writing regarding internal checkpoints, and they admit the following:
"Q. 11. Am I required to answer the agent's questions at the checkpoint?"
A. "No person can be required to give evidence that incriminates themselves - that is a constitutional right. Neither can any public official compel or coerce such a statement if the person being questioned refuses to give one voluntarily..."
Bressi also notes
Referring back to the first question, the Border Patrol admits an agent must believe the individual being interrogated is unlawfully in the United States. While operating away from the border or its functional equivalent, merely being suspicious is not enough of a legal basis to further a detention or interrogation. In fact, at an internal checkpoint, the Supreme Court ruled agents MUST have probable cause or consent in order to extend the detention or to search. If an agent diverts a vehicle to secondary for further scrutiny after asking the immigration question, that represents an extended detention and must be premised on probable cause:
"Our prior cases have limited significantly the reach of this congressional authorization, requiring probable cause for any vehicle search in the interior and reasonable suspicion for inquiry stops by roving patrols. Our holding today, approving routine stops for brief questioning is confined to permanent checkpoints. We understand, of course, that neither longstanding congressional authorization nor widely prevailing practice justifies a constitutional violation" - U.S. v Martinez-Fuerte
"...We have held that checkpoint searches are constitutional only if justified by consent or probable cause to search....And our holding today is limited to the type of stops described in this opinion. -[A]ny further detention...must be based on consent or probable cause." - U.S. v Martinez-Fuerte
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“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
So that was you in the video hasseling the poor, poor, downtrodden, hero protecting our nation & freeedumbs? (If you didn't pick up on it, that was sarcasm. I was layin' it on pretty thick)
I noticed right away when he did the 180 assuming you were a citizen without answering any questions. Damn dude, that was gutsy and dangerous. You really had the tiger by the tail.
Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner. Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner. My Man Godfrey (1936)
Yeah, there is always some smart aleck who gives the poor ol', overworked, underpaid and underappreciated Gestapo Goons a hard time. LOL! Good on you, Artisan.
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Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Damn dude, that was gutsy and dangerous. You really had the tiger by the tail.
LOL! Thanks. I've had enough wiuth these rotten MFers and have gained a lot of experience over the years filming pig cops breaking the law. I credit the guy at checkpointUSA.org , in large part, because watching his videos taught me a lot. he is a class act and a real pro.
As I told someone yesterday, driving an 80,000 lb 70 foot rig in winter conditons (or summer conditions, for that matter) is not a damn game,. it is very dangerous and easily deadly if one is TIRED and not rested. thus the pigs are literally impeding interstate commerce every time they wake a trucker up who is in his mandated 10 hour sleep time.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you".Sirach 4:28
Just yesterday I ran into a young man that I'd known since he was a kid. I hadn't seen him around for awhile and he was driving a different car than the one I'd last seen him driving.
I asked him where he'd been. He told me that he was rear-ended by a government owned semi-truck and had already been through 4 back surgeries and was scheduled for more. He said the driver had fallen asleep at the wheel. He also told me that the driver admitted he was going 110 MPH before he fell asleep.
[Just goes to show that these drivers need their sleep.]
The government wants to settle ... his lawyer is hesitant.
Treason has conspired with Greed and Murder in "OUR" country. I will not be an accomplice !
"Bankers" - Kill em all and let Satan sort em out" !!!
that is truly a stupid opinion. Do you have a job? or run a business? Do you have responsibilities? What if some jackboot came into your bedroom at 3am and demanded you wake up, and claimed that he had the right because he had a badge? that is exactly what happens in the case because a sleeper berth is sacrosanct and federal law forbids truckers from daring to go out of the sleeper for 10 hours between shifts. the FMCSA rules are for the safety of the public & motoring public. You try driving a 14 hours shift with no sleep. if a big rig were to crash into you and dismember you or your loved ones because they fell asleep at the wheel, they MAYBE you'd ''get it''. This is NOT a game.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you".Sirach 4:28
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
I have a job and I have responsibilities. My opinion is based on what I saw on the video. It was an artificial contrived situation to bait the border guards. How else was the video made if there was no advance planning?
Look, we all have political subjects that are near and dear to our hearts. My Big 3 are gov't waste/fiscal irresponsibility; infringement on freedom of speech and thought; useless foreign wars.
From what you post @ 4um, it appears that your political beefs are mainly with police (traffic tickets and waking truck drivers at the border to produce ID). I don't object to your political beefs - in fact I am sympathetic to your positions.
But to pass this video clip and lessons on how to deal with border guards as something unplanned, spontaneous, it happens all the time, yada yada is "truly stupid."
No, it was not planned. how would i plan to be woken up by cops? the fact is that they have no legal right to do it, but they make a practice of it. So they are forcing drivers to either drive tired, or stop working and lose money. People have the inherent right to not be bothered & to be left alone. You may have a comfortable private bed to sleep in and no one bothers you. If they did though, you'd certainly see it differently. Add to that the fact that studies have been done on the quality of truckers sleep in general and it is not the same quality of sleep that one gets in the bed at home, even when they do NOT get woken up. This is actually a very serious issue, but most people dont have the inclination or knowledge to oppose it- out of fear and intimidation. Make no mistake, it is gravely immoral & unlawful what these cops make a practice of doing. I am not a joker.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you".Sirach 4:28
Do any truck companies pay for hotel rooms for the night? That would be ideal solution to getting a good night's sleep for truckers, but increase the cost of truck companies doing business which they would have to pass on to their customers.
Do "do not disturb" signs ever work, or have you tried that?
Sometimes trucking companies pay for hotel rooms, if a truck breaks down for instance. but since the industry is one of moving freight that goal would not be accomplished stopping every night. In team operations, which is a large % of trucking, there are 2 drivers- one drives while the other sleeps, & you can travel at least 1000 miles per day to deliver the freight. So it would defeat that purpose by stopping at a motel.
If one is in a truck stop, generally no one bothers you. but there have been cases of DHS waking all the trucks up under the guise of some crime committed or drugs etc. which is also totally illegal, without a warrant. unfortunately most truckers will tolerate being hassled because they believe that the alternative is either going to jail or losing their job., if they dont lick the cops boots. The situation that these rogue cops put these truckers in angers & disgusts me.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you".Sirach 4:28
let me give you a real life example of this situation. A team has 23 hours to go 1000 miles. the 1st driver drives & the 2nd is sleeping in the sleeper berth doing his federally mandated 10 hours sleep. did you know that they can not go out of the sleeper as per federal law? if they do, then they by law must start the 10 hours all over again.
plus the fact that they need to drive up to 11 hours on their next shift, so it'd be silly not to sleep.
So, driver #2 has been sleeping 3.5 hours and some scum pig cop shouts and wakes him up. THE WHOLE OPERATION is now SCREWED. The pig had zero legal right to do that. and even if the driver theoretically broke the law and didnt restart his 10 hours in the sleeper, then he would drive unrested and possibly cause carnage on the roadway.
In the case of this video, the pig supervisor smugly says "have a nice day. have a nice day. you can stop to rest anytime".
No, we cant STOP because by definition a team does not STOP to sleep. they run through, that is their job. the sleeping driver was already sleeping because he has an 11-14 hours shift to do when he wakes up. that is a long time to drive and is not done properly or safely, while tired.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you".Sirach 4:28
I guess I'm the only one @ 4um who thinks was a silly, contrived, baiting incident that gave a truck driver his 30 seconds of fame.
I dunno. Maybe, just maybe, if enough people stood up for their rights these wannabe jackboots would get the message and lay down their gov't weapons and get on the right side of the fight.
Rolling over and doing at all ensures that this police state will only expand, that's for sure.
Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner. Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner. My Man Godfrey (1936)
A commercial truck driver was off duty in the sleeper berth when he was awakened by an officer at the checkpoint, which was nowhere near an international border. The driver, having dealt with the issue before, did not appreciate being woken up by cops once again. Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration regulations dictate that every commercial driver must have a 10 hour off duty period to sleep between shifts, and is not to be disturbed. Any driver who violates these safety rules can be prosecuted. So why are federal law enforcement officers and police across the country in the habit and practice of waking up truckers illegally, when the federal rules were put in place to specifically maintain the safety of both commercial drivers and individual motorists? Federal agencies have completed studies on the danger of fatigue related big-rig crashes, thus enforcing extremely strict guidelines and logbook rules. [See also The Effect of Rest-Schedule Orientation on Sleep Quality of Commercial Drivers.]
The driver had two Texas troopers wake him up in 2010 when he was off duty sleeping and his co-driver pulled into a weigh station. The Texas Department of Public Safety officially admitted wrongdoing in that case, admonishing the two officers with ‘corrective action’ and ‘retraining provided’. The troopers are currently defendants in a federal lawsuit as a result of their acts.
These cops screwed up big time. Glad they got what they had coming.
I recall being in the Seminole Truck Stop in Florida. Three squads pulled in and the cops started chasing lot lizards. One went in the drivers door and out the sleeper door. I think they caught two out of five. ROTFLMAO!
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
A team of drivers jockeying a million pounds of kinetic energy down the highway should not under any reasonable circumstances be disturbed while resting. Of course we all know that Tommy Lee Jones as a US Marshal can do whatever he likes in search of his FUGITIVE, but that aside, congress has spoken on the issue of long haul drivers, and those who are charged with growing the super police state had better leave commercial drivers alone....for now.
A team of drivers jockeying a million pounds of kinetic energy down the highway...
Eeeeeeek! Obviously a terrorist weapon of mass destruction. I demand some strict, new kinetic energy control laws!
Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner. Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner. My Man Godfrey (1936)
Right. I probably shouldn't be giving them any ideas.
I hate myself for my freeedumbs.
Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner. Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner. My Man Godfrey (1936)