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Title: Homeland creator urges MoD to stop shooting live pigs
Source: The Independent
URL Source: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u ... hooting-live-pigs-8397641.html
Published: Dec 10, 2012
Author: Charlie Cooper
Post Date: 2012-12-09 20:17:23 by scrapper2
Keywords: abuse of pigs, Death Row murders=better subje
Views: 212
Comments: 11

The creator of hit TV drama Homeland has condemned the Ministry of Defence for running a "crude animal laboratory" in which live pigs are shot with high-powered rifles so army medics can practise surgery on them.

Gideon Raff, the former Israeli Defence Force (IDF) paratrooper who wrote and directed the Israeli original of the award-winning American drama, has written to the Defence Secretary Philip Hammond to express his outrage at the scheme, in which British military medics practise emergency surgery on pigs shot at a Nato training camp in Denmark.

Formerly known as "Operation Danish Bacon", the practice was condemned last month by the animal rights group Peta, who called it "impossible to justify medically, ethically or educationally".

The MoD claims the scheme – recently given the more anodyne title "Definitive Surgical Trauma Care (DSTC) course" – provides "invaluable experience" and has helped save soldiers' lives.

During the training at Nato's Jaegerspris base near Copenhagen, pigs are drugged and then shot by marksmen in specific areas of their body. Surgeons must then attempt to save their lives. The MoD sends surgeons for training twice a year. During the last course in November, 18 animals were used. Pigs that survive the experience are later destroyed.

"The UK Ministry of Defence is not saving lives by having military doctors sew up live animals whose bodies have been torn apart by bullets from high-powered rifles," Mr Raff, right, told Mr Hammond in his letter. "I am concerned that this violence still goes on when more humane and effective ways of training medics and doctors are available."

Mr Raff goes on to refer to recent research by the IDF Medical Corps which, he writes, "found that military staff's confidence in performing lifesaving battlefield medical procedures increased when they were trained with sophisticated human simulators and after having experience with real patients – but not after completing crude animal laboratories."

"Caring for the well-being of animals and preparing the troops serving our countries are not mutually exclusive," Mr Raff adds. "In this case, sparing animals pain and death in training drills means that military personnel receive better medical training and ultimately better care if they are wounded on the battlefield."

Advocates of the DSTC course claim that the anatomical similarities between pigs and humans allows for the most true-to-life training available.

Peta claimed the tests would be illegal in the UK, but the MoD said they would be legal but would require case-by-case Home Office approval.

"This training provides invaluable experience, exposing our surgical teams to the specific challenges posed by the injuries of modern armed conflict," an MoD spokesman said. "This training has helped save lives on operations and by participating in the Danish exercises we minimise the overall number of animals used."


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"During the training at Nato's Jaegerspris base near Copenhagen, pigs are drugged and then shot by marksmen in specific areas of their body. Surgeons must then attempt to save their lives. The MoD sends surgeons for training twice a year. During the last course in November, 18 animals were used. Pigs that survive the experience are later destroyed."

Disgusting. Pigs are highly intelligent and should not be abused in these military exercises. Imo it makes better sense to use Death Row prisoner volunteers. No one would protest including PETA. Those prisoners who survive the shooting and surgery can be given Life Without Parole.

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#1. To: scrapper2, 4 (#0) (Edited)

Imo it makes better sense to use Death Row prisoner volunteers.

Not a bad substitute, but I'd prefer politicians, corporate bankers, globalists, and anything named Kissinger or Soros.

EDIT: I watch and like the Homeland series.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2012-12-09   20:28:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Jethro Tull (#1)

I think you're on to something, JT...

Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)

Esso  posted on  2012-12-09   20:31:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Jethro Tull (#1)

hehehehehehe

scrapper2  posted on  2012-12-09   20:42:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Jethro Tull, Esso, scrap, 4 (#1)

The reality of feral hogs in this country -

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2012-12-09   21:11:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: scrapper2 (#0)

Why does an Israeli care about pigs being killed?

echo5sierra  posted on  2012-12-09   21:23:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: echo5sierra (#5)

Why does an Israeli care about pigs being killed?

Secular Jew?

scrapper2  posted on  2012-12-09   22:02:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: echo5sierra (#5)

Why does an Israeli care about pigs being killed?

Professional courtesy?

Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)

Esso  posted on  2012-12-09   22:04:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: scrapper2 (#0)

When I was in the army in the 80's and 90's, Special Forces medics were taught the same way except they used sheep. They probably use Muslim children today.

Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because he doesn't come over and break your window - unknown

I WITHDRAW MY CONSENT!
Any perceived compliance with unconstitutional “laws” or orders put forth by government employees is NOT recognition of their authority; it is simply the result of carefully calculated submission to an entity exhibiting superior firepower.

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2012-12-09   23:08:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#8)

They probably use Muslim children today.

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

scrapper2  posted on  2012-12-09   23:41:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Jethro Tull (#1)

EDIT: I watch and like the Homeland series.

W-T-F!?

Seriously?

Blech!

_______________________________________________________________________________ The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself,Take Action!!!

titorite  posted on  2012-12-09   23:49:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: titorite (#10)

It's a check your brain at the door type of show, but there is only so much reality I can deal with. Honestly, if it weren't for football season I'm sure I'd have been committed long ago.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2012-12-10   20:03:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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