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Title: Good-bye Ubuntu Linux. A good distribution runs aground. Big time.
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Published: Dec 10, 2012
Author: Me
Post Date: 2012-12-10 02:52:34 by Pinguinite
Keywords: Linux, Ubuntu, Fedora Core
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I started using Ubuntu Linux when Mandriva, my current favored linux distribution, no longer installed on a new computer some 5 years ago. It was great then and I've never hesitated to recommend it for its ease of use and well maintained distribution of Linux. That changed with their 11.10 release which did away with the KDE desktop and forced everyone to use their new Unity interface apparently designed for use with notepads. Apparently, mouse desktop users are a thing of the past now. But forcing a linux user to use one interface is pretty much anti-linux philosophy. Even so, after the support cycle ended recently for the pre-11.10 versions, I was forced to upgrade into the kindergarden-level environment provided by Unity. I gave it a shot for a couple weeks and decided it was a piece of crap. At least for me. I think now it's designed for use by people who have no knowledge of computers or who are otherwise morons -- something I reluctantly decided, after long consideration, I was not. (No offense to legitimate and honest morons intended). A saving grace provided after-market style by the linux community was that my favored KDE interface could be installed onto 11.10 and later Ubuntu versions with a software installation, thus allowing me to completely avoid Unity. Perhaps it works for some, and probably does, but it didn't work for me. I log in and 3 seconds later, I'm returned to the linux login screen. The 11.10 included the new Kmail2 program for handling email on my PC. Unfortunately, that didn't work and a net search found many complaints about it's failures and protests about why such a buggy program was included... nay, mandated, in a major Ubuntu release. Maybe Kmail is soon to go the way of the do-do bird, but until then, leave the dang thing alone, please. Digging to the bottom of the Ubuntu barrel for solutions, I upgraded to 12.04 and the latest (greatest?) 12.10 in an effort to have KDE and Kmail work, but nothing did. So after a long and happy time with Ubuntu, I decided it was time to trash it as a desktop OS. I've replaced it with Fedora Core, which Linux users will recognize as a long-standing distribution of Linux. Haven't quite figured it all out but the latest "17" release is installed, running KDE and the still working Kmail software (not Kmail2). It appears to be, so far, every bit as slick as Linux should be. Hopefully Fedora Core will continue to fly high well into the future.
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#1. To: Pinguinite (#0)
Yep. I started with Ubuntu with version 6. Stayed until 11.10 made me go to Unity. Unity, IMHO, is a POS. Kinda like Windows 8, designed for tablets and stuck up everyone else's tu-tu. I tried Mint, Xubuntu, Fedora and some others, but I finally loaded Debian 6, and haven't looked back. Ubuntu is based on Debian so most of the utilities are the same. I started out on CPM/DOS 1.2, so I'm comfortable working at the prompt and can get things done either with the GUI or prompt. Debian's been around since dirt was invented and is stable as a rock so I'll run with it. Ubuntu can piss up a rope until they get over their case of cranial/rectal inversion. Luke The Spook It wasn't me, I wasn't there. I didn't do that. You don't know me. The IQ and the life expectancy of the average American recently passed each other in opposite directions. - George Carlin
I have an XP/Ubuntu dual boot. I hate Unity and have been debating switching. Personally, I find Unity to be much more difficult to use than the KDE desktop. It takes me forever to find anything and there are some things I still can't find. I recently purchased a new computer and have been toying with the idea that instead of throwing out my old one I would take the old one and some old laptops I have and set up a Beowulf network. I just started reading Building Clustered Linux Systems. I know there are some Linux distros that specialize in this so I'll likely replace Ubuntu with whatever distro the book recommends. Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because he doesn't come over and break your window - unknown I WITHDRAW MY CONSENT! I never was a big Ubuntu fan although I've used it in the past. After distro hopping around a lot I'm using Kororaa 16, a Fedora variation. Fedora is fine too, but Kororaa comes with multimedia stuff more set up and ready to roll. Yumex the graphical version of yum is useful for when the default package manager gets uppity, and won't cooperate. “The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken How about this: sudo apt-get install gnome-session-fallback and/or this: sudo apt-get install kde-standard I saw Debian but didn't try it. I think FC will serve well.
sudo apt-get install kde-full I did the kde-full, but it just didn't work. The login screen offered it, but when I'd log in selecting KDE, the screen would blark out for a few seconds and then it would return to the login screen. I didn't bother to try to debug it. Don't have time/patience for that. The Fedora Core install was designed for KDE, so went with that. On Unity, I searched the net to figure out how to create a launcher -- something you do on KDE by just right-clicking on the desktop, and found a page that gave a console command. And I was like.... WTH? Why would and advanced interface replace a right button click with a console command on something so basic?
I tried Ubuntu and didn't like it. My old hard drive crashed and I ordered a new one from ZaReason and, since I had heard that Ubuntu was a great os--and probably was in the past--I asked them to load it on the drive. I gave it a fair shot, about two weeks, and I thought that Unity interface sucked and blew at the same time. I put a pclos live cd in and installed that over top of Ubuntu. I have used pclos before and I like it a lot. Main issue I had with it when I first started using it were sound issues but I got that sorted out and now it's fine but for a bit of static with skype. I MIGHT be able to fix all the sound issues with a good audio card and was told by someone who ran a computer shop that I had two choices, either to install Ubuntu (which I just had gotten rid of) or install a sound card. Which I didn't and still got my sound fixed better than they had it (which was terrible--when I took it over there I had some sound, not good sound but I had some. When I picked it up it was like my computer had been built for a deaf man who had no need for a computer with any speakers).
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi "If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken "..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..." Lawrence M. Vance Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)
You sure got that right. Hard to believe that a distro with that kind of money behind it would put out something that sucks so bad. Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi "If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken "..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..." Lawrence M. Vance Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)
After using unity for about a month, I just saw your thread here and tried to change it back. This worked for me: sudo apt-get install gnome-session-fallback I don't know about kde. I assume you should be able to get it somehow. Then, coincidentally, before reading your post here, I just tried to right click to create a launcher. Nothing. So I googled it and you have to drag and drop the application from the list in the top left corner "applications". Works no problem. I don't blame you if you don't like the new unity interface (edit: it's a real pain in the ass to find stuff... shouldn't have to type or even remember how to spell something... should just have to click, but no it's really annoying... if it wasn't broke why did they fix it?... I suspect they're trying to make it marketable maybe ), but if you want to change it back to what it was, it looks like there are lots of others that do too and some know how to do it simply it seems. Well, I'm already past the point of no return. Ubuntu has been overwritten with Fedora Core so it's done. Thanks though. Maybe the info will be good for others.
One word of advice. MINT! _______________________________________________________________________________ The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself,Take Action!!!
that's what my husband has. recently he's been having some problems with his audio turning completely off when he restarts his computer and now his clock has disappeared from the right lower corner display. i wonder if this is the reason?
What's wrong with Kubuntu? Personally I like Xubuntu. "Mr. Prime Minister, there is only one important question facing us, and that is the question whether the white race will survive." -- Leonid Brezhnev to James Callahan
i wonder if this is the reason? I don't know. The only problem I've had (besides dealing with Unity) is that when I upgraded to the latest and greatest Ubuntu my HP printer quit working. I reloaded the driver and now it works but it's so slow that it takes five minutes to print one page. No one can tell me why and HP doesn't support Linux. The drivers are done by a third party. I gave up and now only print from XP. It's a real pain in the ass. It worked fine on the previous versions of Ubuntu. Luckily I rarely use that computer to print anyway. Instead I use my laptop which runs Win7. If I create this Beowulf network I was talking about I'm going to try and run Win7 from a virtual window using VMWare and get rid of the dual boot. I tried before and got it to work under my log in but could never get it to work on anyone elses. I finally gave up. I know there's a way. The problem is finding the time to investigate and play around. One of these days...(famous last words). Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because he doesn't come over and break your window - unknown I WITHDRAW MY CONSENT! Gee. I don't have any of these problems with OS X? What up? /snarky
Apple would not comment on the Mildura problem, but referred to an earlier statement that it was doing everything it could to fix problems Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2012-12-apple-glitch-deadly-australian-police.html#jCp Did they ever find the remains of those lost Apple iPhone users? i wonder if this is the reason? My guess is that the security updates that are done frequently can sometimes do slight modifications to setups. I had an audio icon on my sidebar that I would open up occasionally if there was an audio problem, but I don't think I ever (recently) had any issue with audio being disabled with every restart. Dual boot is nice and safe, but using vmware allows both windows and linux of whatever variety to be run simultaneously. I do recommend "vmware player", which can be installed either on windows or linux to run another copy of about any OS inside an application window.
Apple would not comment on the Mildura problem, but referred to an earlier statement that it was doing everything it could to fix problems Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2012-12-apple-glitch-deadly-australian-police.html#jCp Did they ever find the remains of those lost Apple iPhone users? Dunno. Maybe we should send the Windows Phone Brigade. Well, folks, Fedora Core worked fine, but the interface was still a bit different and I had some problems setting up the way I wanted, so I made the decision to move on from there. I took Spooks suggestion to try just straight Debian and I like it. It's what Ubuntu used to be. I installed it on my laptop and it went fine, then on my desktop. Then my HD crashed and bought a new one today and it's Debian all over again. Debian seems to be an unsung hero of sorts. Not well known or publicized, but it seems to work great. Given a number of other distributions are based on Debian, it should be well supported for a long time.
At some point when my friend I met on the Linux forum does the tutorial for Virtualbox I am planning on getting Mageia and trying it out. I like what I use now but wouldn't mind experimenting some.
Not heard of that before. Good luck with it and let us know.
Thank you. Haven't heard from my friend yet, said it might take him a few weeks to do the tutorial. I think he is going to do it in a pdf file so that lots of people can use it if they want to try. Mageia is #2 right now on distrowatch. I figured you would have known about it. I installed it on my laptop and it went fine, then on my desktop. Then my HD crashed and bought a new one today and it's Debian all over again. Debian seems to be an unsung hero of sorts. Not well known or publicized, but it seems to work great. Given a number of other distributions are based on Debian, it should be well supported for a long time. After reading a few articles, I recently replaced Ubuntu with SolusOS, a distribution based on Debian. The creator is a guy who was an instrumental developer with Mint but didn't agree with the direction Mint was taking. I'm pretty happy with it. Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because he doesn't come over and break your window - unknown I WITHDRAW MY CONSENT! I'm not happy at all sitting at the kid's table. But that's where I am. And if you are a Linux user, you are too. Bet you didn't know that didja? Neither did I. Until two weeks ago. That's how long it's taken me to decide whether I'm going to even talk about this in public. I decided that it's probably something you knew in your gut anyway. Yeah many of you did. I made a good friend at Google three years ago. We became friends when I was offered an interview for a job there. Fact is...I would have been this new friend's replacement. He would have trained me in, if I was hired on. In that I turned the offer down due to the commitment I now have really wasn't a surprise to many. Friend was able to find work with Google in another city where his wife was being transferred so it all worked out in the end. And I gained an extremely good friend. He'll be reading this as soon as it's published. I am sure he suspected it would be a topic for discussion. Two weeks ago, Friend was in Texas and He drove down to see me. We knocked back a few beers on some small patio bar in Round Rock. When the subject turned to work, I knew Friend was in a position to answer a question for me. It's probably something you knew in your gut anyway. Yeah you did. I asked him the question: "Why does Google refuse to reference that Android or Chromebooks are Linux-based?" He took a pull on his Shiner Bock and did something I didn't really expect. He answered me. And I'm not going to use quotes because I didn't write it down but this is awful close: Because Linux Users can't be trusted to behave if they are taken out into public. He went on to explain that the powers that be (of which he is not one but within that circle) simply don't want anything getting in the way of Google's march to their phone, tablet and computer market supremacy. Their Chromebook slayed the numbers this Christmas season and many within the marketing effort at Google believe NOT associating their brand with Linux may have helped tremendously. Is Linux mentioned anywhere in the Android Marketing? No. Is Linux mentioned anywhere in Chromebook Marketing? No. From our public infighting, to our fragmentation in distro and desktop wars, to our inability to even give decent application names to our programs..... We act like a bunch of children fighting over the drumstick at Thanksgiving. In other words. Let the grownups take care of business, and be quiet....don't make us stop this car. And no, don't rage at me. I wrestled with this for a couple of weeks, knowing it would piss some people off, but more importantly..... It would validate what many of you already knew. Many of the grownups just don't want to be seen in public with us. Maybe not you, and I certainly hope not me, but still... It is felt that Linux as a brand name is tainted, and for far more reasons than I mentioned above, but those are pretty much the heavy hitters. If it makes you feel better to yell at me in the comments, go ahead. I've pretty much accepted that it would happen anyway. And by doing so....you fairly well prove Google's point. See? Sometimes, the grownups are right. All-Righty Then We act like a bunch of children fighting over the drumstick at Thanksgiving. Thanks for this insight. Sounds very libertarian to me. Please keep posting all things linux here; one day, I'll be there, thanks much. “The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken You're very welcome. I'm always glad when someone shakes the dust of Windows off their shoes. That is a totally BS reason that Google is giving for not mentioning that their Android OS is based on Linux. The real reason is that they want to be seen as the sole creators of it in the mass publics' eyes. They want all the recognition and they don't want any other Linux distro to be given any serious consideration as a replacement for Android by associating Android with Linux in advertising and marketing. Google is the kid here, not Linux users. BTW, Ubuntu has now been ported to smart phones, watch out Google. God is always good!
Mageia is good. A descendant of Mandriva which came from Mandrake Linux. Mandriva fell victim to some French political disease, AFIAK. Mageia has the same useful utilities, similar to OpenSUSE. It's pretty loaded with codecs, etc. right out of the box. With Debian you sometimes have to add stuff to get things set up, but it's rock solid, and the repositories are huge so you can find just about anything. Ubuntu is an African word meaning... I can't configure Debian. Well, I am sure that could be the case but I am also sure that the man who wrote the article wrote it as it was told to him. I know him and he is the one who helped me the most when I first started using Linux. With Debian you sometimes have to add stuff to get things set up, but it's rock solid, and the repositories are huge so you can find just about anything. Ubuntu is an African word meaning... I can't configure Debian. LOL! I tried Mandriva when I first started getting into Linux. It didn't work well with the computer I had at the time so I had to find something else. That Ubuntu comment you made was funny. But here is what it means according to the man behind the distro: To quote the About Ubuntu page on the website: ubuntu |oÒ'boÒntoM| Ubuntu is an ancient African word meaning 'humanity to others'. It also means 'I am what I am because of who we all are'. The Ubuntu operating system brings the spirit of Ubuntu to the world of computers. To quote Benjamin Mako Hill: Ubuntu's original name was, and I'm serious, "no-name-yet.com" Finally, Mark settled on the name Ubuntu which he though represented the spirit of sharing and cooperation that he found appealing in Free Software. And finally, to quote Mark Shuttleworth himself in the Ubuntu 4.10 Warty Warthog announcement: "Ubuntu" is an ancient African word for "humanity towards others", and we think it's a perfect name for an open source community project. askubuntu.com/questions/424/what-does-ubuntu-mean I tried Ubuntu and it wasn't bad except for that Unity interface which I didn't like at all. I think (not sure) that they started that with version 11.04 maybe. Neil might know for sure, think he was using it when they first came out with it. Mageia is good. A descendant of Mandriva which came from Mandrake Linux. Mandriva fell victim to some French political disease, AFIAK. Mageia has the same useful utilities, similar to OpenSUSE. It's pretty loaded with codecs, etc. right out of the box. I used to be a Mandrake/Mandriva user. My first Linux distro was Red Hat, way back when installing it meant you had to answer all questions correctly, as one wrong answer caused the install to hang. Someone turned me on to Mandrake which I used through it's renaming to Mandriva, but then about 5-6 years ago when flat panel monitors came out, Mandriva didn't want to install anymore. That's when I found Ubuntu. Good one! I heard one person complain about Ubuntu being a childish distro, but the only justification I could see for that was their sudo function, which can be completely bypassed. Ubuntu was easy to install, run and maintain, though most of that credit probably goes to Debian. BTW, I thought Fedora Core was Debian based, but found out quickly it's not. Probably part of the reason I wasn't too happy with it. Just wasn't used to the engine.
I think 11.10 makes the stupid Unity interface "mandatory", at least if you don't know the secret way of installing KDE on it. My wife's PC is still running Ubuntu 11.04, which is no longer supported, and any day now I'll migrate that over to Debian, now that I've installed it about 5-6 times on my PC and my laptop's 2 HD's.
It would seem to me that someone who is smart enough to become a multi-millionaire (Shuttleworth) would be smart enough to know that when so many people are saying that something about your operating system sucks and blows at the same time (that Unity interface) that there is indeed something wrong. And you would scrap that and go back to what worked.
One of the RHEL (Red Hat Enterprise Linux) free clones, like Scientific Linux or CENTOS are more mature commercial versions of Fedora. Fedora is the test bed for eventual RHEL releases. Well, it's a business fact that when you change your operation, it's inevitable that some customers leave and new one's come aboard. You just hope that the value of your new customers exceeds the value of the one's you lose. Ubuntu seems to be making a pitch for the tablet market with Unity, which maybe other distro's aren't doing. In which case, more power to them. At this point, it's too late to "go back" to what worked. PO'd people like me won't bother to throw out our new toys like Debian just because Ubuntu comes back crying. Besides, it's been 11.10, 12.04 and now 12.10 which all mandate Unity, so it's quite a bit late that way. The last KDE version, 11.04 is already past it's support life cycle, so they are well past the point of no return.
Well, maybe Ubuntu will do well with the tablet market and I wish them well with that. I don't wish any ill on any Linux distro but I like some better than others.
It is totally open source and people and organizations can and do make offshoots of it all the time. The great thing about open source software is if something doesn't work the way you want it to, you can make it work the way you want it to. God is always good!
Well, I couldn't but there are lots of people who can. And I am thankful for that. Glad there are choices and that we don't have to be stuck with Microsux. After reading a few articles, I recently replaced Ubuntu with SolusOS, a distribution based on Debian. The creator is a guy who was an instrumental developer with Mint but didn't agree with the direction Mint was taking. I'm pretty happy with it. Are you happy with the SolusOS? As I've mentioned, about 3 months back, the olde XP box expired just when some Russian hijacked my gmail. I plugged in the iMac27(purchased 2011) and installed MS outlook.com email client and life is great. I'm still waiting for the StartMail service to launch in beta. If anyone searches for StartMail, it is secure so use https. “The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestGood-bye Ubuntu Linux. A good distribution runs aground. Big time.
#2. To: Pinguinite (#0)
Any perceived compliance with unconstitutional “laws” or orders put forth by government employees is NOT recognition of their authority; it is simply the result of carefully calculated submission to an entity exhibiting superior firepower.
#3. To: Pinguinite (#0)
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#4. To: hondo68, Pinguinite, F.A. Fan, 4 (#3)
article on undoing Unity (evidently it sucks for many) -
#5. To: Pinguinite (#0)
(Edited)
sudo apt-get install kde-full
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#6. To: Luke The Spook (#1)
#7. To: wudidiz (#5)
#8. To: Pinguinite (#0)
#9. To: Luke The Spook (#1)
Unity, IMHO, is a POS.
#10. To: Pinguinite (#7)
(Edited)
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#11. To: wudidiz (#10)
#12. To: Pinguinite (#0)
#13. To: F.A. Hayek Fan, Pinguinite (#2)
I have an XP/Ubuntu dual boot.
#14. To: Pinguinite (#0)
#15. To: christine (#13)
that's what my husband has. recently he's been having some problems with his audio turning completely off when he restarts his computer and now his clock has disappeared from the right lower corner display.
Any perceived compliance with unconstitutional “laws” or orders put forth by government employees is NOT recognition of their authority; it is simply the result of carefully calculated submission to an entity exhibiting superior firepower.
#16. To: F.A. Hayek Fan, all (#15)
#17. To: Original_Intent (#16)
Apple Maps glitch could be deadly, Australian police says
Australian police Monday warned motorists about using Apple Maps on the iPhone's latest operating system after rescuing several people left stranded in the wilderness, saying the errors could prove deadly.
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#18. To: christine (#13)
that's what my husband has. recently he's been having some problems with his audio turning completely off when he restarts his computer and now his clock has disappeared from the right lower corner display.
#19. To: hondo68 (#17)
Australian police Monday warned motorists about using Apple Maps on the iPhone's latest operating system after rescuing several people left stranded in the wilderness, saying the errors could prove deadly.
#20. To: Luke The Spook, F.A. Hayek Fan, hondo68, Lod, wudidiz, James Deffenbach, titorite, christine, Prefrontal Vortex, Original_Intent (#0)
#21. To: Pinguinite (#20)
"It is the habit of unhappiness to rewrite our lives and from a different beginning come to a different ending. We cling to the past and what it could have been; what we wanted, or thought we wanted, before we were taught by a broken heart that our own good intentions have little effect on the way things are."
D. W. Buffa, Breach of Trust
#22. To: James Deffenbach (#21)
Mageia
#23. To: Pinguinite (#22)
"It is the habit of unhappiness to rewrite our lives and from a different beginning come to a different ending. We cling to the past and what it could have been; what we wanted, or thought we wanted, before we were taught by a broken heart that our own good intentions have little effect on the way things are."
D. W. Buffa, Breach of Trust
#24. To: Pinguinite (#20)
(Edited)
Well, folks, Fedora Core worked fine, but the interface was still a bit different and I had some problems setting up the way I wanted, so I made the decision to move on from there. I took Spooks suggestion to try just straight Debian and I like it. It's what Ubuntu used to be.
Any perceived compliance with unconstitutional “laws” or orders put forth by government employees is NOT recognition of their authority; it is simply the result of carefully calculated submission to an entity exhibiting superior firepower.
#25. To: Pinguinite, all (#22)
Got this in email today from the Blog of Helios. I don't think anything he said applies too much to anyone here but I do know that a lot of folks are like the ones he is talking about. Personally I really like PCLinuxOS because it works and works well for me. But if someone else likes another "flavor" of Linux well then it's all good.
"It is the habit of unhappiness to rewrite our lives and from a different beginning come to a different ending. We cling to the past and what it could have been; what we wanted, or thought we wanted, before we were taught by a broken heart that our own good intentions have little effect on the way things are."
D. W. Buffa, Breach of Trust
#26. To: James Deffenbach, Penguinite, 4 (#25)
From our public infighting, to our fragmentation in distro and desktop wars, to our inability to even give decent application names to our programs.....
#27. To: Lod (#26)
Please keep posting all things linux here; one day, I'll be there, thanks much.
"It is the habit of unhappiness to rewrite our lives and from a different beginning come to a different ending. We cling to the past and what it could have been; what we wanted, or thought we wanted, before we were taught by a broken heart that our own good intentions have little effect on the way things are."
D. W. Buffa, Breach of Trust
#28. To: James Deffenbach (#25)
(Edited)
#29. To: James Deffenbach, Pinguinite (#21)
(Edited)
I am planning on getting Mageia and trying it out.
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#30. To: RickyJ (#28)
That is a totally BS reason that Google is giving for not mentioning that their Android OS is based on Linux. The real reason is that they want to be seen as the sole creators of it in the mass publics' eyes.
"It is the habit of unhappiness to rewrite our lives and from a different beginning come to a different ending. We cling to the past and what it could have been; what we wanted, or thought we wanted, before we were taught by a broken heart that our own good intentions have little effect on the way things are."
D. W. Buffa, Breach of Trust
#31. To: hondo68, Pinguinite (#29)
Mageia is good. A descendant of Mandriva which came from Mandrake Linux. Mandriva fell victim to some French political disease, AFIAK. Mageia has the same useful utilities, similar to OpenSUSE. It's pretty loaded with codecs, etc. right out of the box.
"It is the habit of unhappiness to rewrite our lives and from a different beginning come to a different ending. We cling to the past and what it could have been; what we wanted, or thought we wanted, before we were taught by a broken heart that our own good intentions have little effect on the way things are."
D. W. Buffa, Breach of Trust
#32. To: hondo68 (#29)
Ubuntu is an African word meaning... I can't configure Debian.
#33. To: James Deffenbach (#31)
I tried Ubuntu and it wasn't bad except for that Unity interface which I didn't like at all. I think (not sure) that they started that with version 11.04 maybe. Neil might know for sure, think he was using it when they first came out with it.
#34. To: Pinguinite (#33)
"It is the habit of unhappiness to rewrite our lives and from a different beginning come to a different ending. We cling to the past and what it could have been; what we wanted, or thought we wanted, before we were taught by a broken heart that our own good intentions have little effect on the way things are."
D. W. Buffa, Breach of Trust
#35. To: Pinguinite (#32)
Fedora Core
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#36. To: James Deffenbach (#34)
It would seem to me that someone who is smart enough to become a multi-millionaire (Shuttleworth) would be smart enough to know that when so many people are saying that something about your operating system sucks and blows at the same time (that Unity interface) that there is indeed something wrong. And you would scrap that and go back to what worked.
#37. To: Pinguinite (#36)
"It is the habit of unhappiness to rewrite our lives and from a different beginning come to a different ending. We cling to the past and what it could have been; what we wanted, or thought we wanted, before we were taught by a broken heart that our own good intentions have little effect on the way things are."
D. W. Buffa, Breach of Trust
#38. To: James Deffenbach (#34)
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It would seem to me that someone who is smart enough to become a multi-millionaire (Shuttleworth) would be smart enough to know that when so many people are saying that something about your operating system sucks and blows at the same time (that Unity interface) that there is indeed something wrong. And you would scrap that and go back to what worked.
#39. To: RickyJ (#38)
The great thing about open source software is if something doesn't work they way you want it to, you can make it work the way you want it to.
"It is the habit of unhappiness to rewrite our lives and from a different beginning come to a different ending. We cling to the past and what it could have been; what we wanted, or thought we wanted, before we were taught by a broken heart that our own good intentions have little effect on the way things are."
D. W. Buffa, Breach of Trust
#40. To: F.A. Hayek Fan, Pinguinite (#24)
Debian seems to be an unsung hero of sorts. Not well known or publicized, but it seems to work great. Given a number of other distributions are based on Debian, it should be well supported for a long time.
"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow
#41. To: James Deffenbach, 4 (#27)
I'm always glad when someone shakes the dust of Windows off their shoes.
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