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Title: Good-bye Ubuntu Linux. A good distribution runs aground. Big time.
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Published: Dec 10, 2012
Author: Me
Post Date: 2012-12-10 02:52:34 by Pinguinite
Keywords: Linux, Ubuntu, Fedora Core
Views: 664
Comments: 48

I started using Ubuntu Linux when Mandriva, my current favored linux distribution, no longer installed on a new computer some 5 years ago. It was great then and I've never hesitated to recommend it for its ease of use and well maintained distribution of Linux.

That changed with their 11.10 release which did away with the KDE desktop and forced everyone to use their new Unity interface apparently designed for use with notepads. Apparently, mouse desktop users are a thing of the past now. But forcing a linux user to use one interface is pretty much anti-linux philosophy. Even so, after the support cycle ended recently for the pre-11.10 versions, I was forced to upgrade into the kindergarden-level environment provided by Unity. I gave it a shot for a couple weeks and decided it was a piece of crap. At least for me. I think now it's designed for use by people who have no knowledge of computers or who are otherwise morons -- something I reluctantly decided, after long consideration, I was not. (No offense to legitimate and honest morons intended).

A saving grace provided after-market style by the linux community was that my favored KDE interface could be installed onto 11.10 and later Ubuntu versions with a software installation, thus allowing me to completely avoid Unity. Perhaps it works for some, and probably does, but it didn't work for me. I log in and 3 seconds later, I'm returned to the linux login screen. The 11.10 included the new Kmail2 program for handling email on my PC. Unfortunately, that didn't work and a net search found many complaints about it's failures and protests about why such a buggy program was included... nay, mandated, in a major Ubuntu release. Maybe Kmail is soon to go the way of the do-do bird, but until then, leave the dang thing alone, please.

Digging to the bottom of the Ubuntu barrel for solutions, I upgraded to 12.04 and the latest (greatest?) 12.10 in an effort to have KDE and Kmail work, but nothing did. So after a long and happy time with Ubuntu, I decided it was time to trash it as a desktop OS.

I've replaced it with Fedora Core, which Linux users will recognize as a long-standing distribution of Linux. Haven't quite figured it all out but the latest "17" release is installed, running KDE and the still working Kmail software (not Kmail2). It appears to be, so far, every bit as slick as Linux should be. Hopefully Fedora Core will continue to fly high well into the future.

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#20. To: Luke The Spook, F.A. Hayek Fan, hondo68, Lod, wudidiz, James Deffenbach, titorite, christine, Prefrontal Vortex, Original_Intent (#0)

Well, folks, Fedora Core worked fine, but the interface was still a bit different and I had some problems setting up the way I wanted, so I made the decision to move on from there. I took Spooks suggestion to try just straight Debian and I like it. It's what Ubuntu used to be.

I installed it on my laptop and it went fine, then on my desktop. Then my HD crashed and bought a new one today and it's Debian all over again.

Debian seems to be an unsung hero of sorts. Not well known or publicized, but it seems to work great. Given a number of other distributions are based on Debian, it should be well supported for a long time.

Pinguinite  posted on  2013-01-07   20:06:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Pinguinite (#20)

At some point when my friend I met on the Linux forum does the tutorial for Virtualbox I am planning on getting Mageia and trying it out. I like what I use now but wouldn't mind experimenting some.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2013-01-07   21:05:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: James Deffenbach, Pinguinite (#21) (Edited)

I am planning on getting Mageia and trying it out.

Mageia is good. A descendant of Mandriva which came from Mandrake Linux. Mandriva fell victim to some French political disease, AFIAK. Mageia has the same useful utilities, similar to OpenSUSE. It's pretty loaded with codecs, etc. right out of the box.

With Debian you sometimes have to add stuff to get things set up, but it's rock solid, and the repositories are huge so you can find just about anything.

Ubuntu is an African word meaning... I can't configure Debian.

hondo68  posted on  2013-01-08   22:20:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: hondo68, Pinguinite (#29)

Mageia is good. A descendant of Mandriva which came from Mandrake Linux. Mandriva fell victim to some French political disease, AFIAK. Mageia has the same useful utilities, similar to OpenSUSE. It's pretty loaded with codecs, etc. right out of the box.

With Debian you sometimes have to add stuff to get things set up, but it's rock solid, and the repositories are huge so you can find just about anything.

Ubuntu is an African word meaning... I can't configure Debian.

LOL! I tried Mandriva when I first started getting into Linux. It didn't work well with the computer I had at the time so I had to find something else.

That Ubuntu comment you made was funny. But here is what it means according to the man behind the distro:

To quote the About Ubuntu page on the website:

ubuntu |oÒ'boÒntoM|

Ubuntu is an ancient African word meaning 'humanity to others'. It also means 'I am what I am because of who we all are'. The Ubuntu operating system brings the spirit of Ubuntu to the world of computers.

To quote Benjamin Mako Hill:

Ubuntu's original name was, and I'm serious, "no-name-yet.com"

Finally, Mark settled on the name Ubuntu which he though represented the spirit of sharing and cooperation that he found appealing in Free Software.

And finally, to quote Mark Shuttleworth himself in the Ubuntu 4.10 Warty Warthog announcement:

"Ubuntu" is an ancient African word for "humanity towards others", and we think it's a perfect name for an open source community project.

askubuntu.com/questions/424/what-does-ubuntu-mean


I tried Ubuntu and it wasn't bad except for that Unity interface which I didn't like at all. I think (not sure) that they started that with version 11.04 maybe. Neil might know for sure, think he was using it when they first came out with it.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2013-01-09   0:16:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: James Deffenbach (#31)

I tried Ubuntu and it wasn't bad except for that Unity interface which I didn't like at all. I think (not sure) that they started that with version 11.04 maybe. Neil might know for sure, think he was using it when they first came out with it.

I think 11.10 makes the stupid Unity interface "mandatory", at least if you don't know the secret way of installing KDE on it. My wife's PC is still running Ubuntu 11.04, which is no longer supported, and any day now I'll migrate that over to Debian, now that I've installed it about 5-6 times on my PC and my laptop's 2 HD's.

Pinguinite  posted on  2013-01-09   0:28:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Pinguinite (#33)

It would seem to me that someone who is smart enough to become a multi-millionaire (Shuttleworth) would be smart enough to know that when so many people are saying that something about your operating system sucks and blows at the same time (that Unity interface) that there is indeed something wrong. And you would scrap that and go back to what worked.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2013-01-09   0:37:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: James Deffenbach (#34) (Edited)

It would seem to me that someone who is smart enough to become a multi-millionaire (Shuttleworth) would be smart enough to know that when so many people are saying that something about your operating system sucks and blows at the same time (that Unity interface) that there is indeed something wrong. And you would scrap that and go back to what worked.

It is totally open source and people and organizations can and do make offshoots of it all the time. The great thing about open source software is if something doesn't work the way you want it to, you can make it work the way you want it to.

RickyJ  posted on  2013-01-09   1:54:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: RickyJ (#38)

The great thing about open source software is if something doesn't work they way you want it to, you can make it work the way you want it to.

Well, I couldn't but there are lots of people who can. And I am thankful for that. Glad there are choices and that we don't have to be stuck with Microsux.

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