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Title: Good-bye Ubuntu Linux. A good distribution runs aground. Big time.
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Published: Dec 10, 2012
Author: Me
Post Date: 2012-12-10 02:52:34 by Pinguinite
Keywords: Linux, Ubuntu, Fedora Core
Views: 667
Comments: 48

I started using Ubuntu Linux when Mandriva, my current favored linux distribution, no longer installed on a new computer some 5 years ago. It was great then and I've never hesitated to recommend it for its ease of use and well maintained distribution of Linux.

That changed with their 11.10 release which did away with the KDE desktop and forced everyone to use their new Unity interface apparently designed for use with notepads. Apparently, mouse desktop users are a thing of the past now. But forcing a linux user to use one interface is pretty much anti-linux philosophy. Even so, after the support cycle ended recently for the pre-11.10 versions, I was forced to upgrade into the kindergarden-level environment provided by Unity. I gave it a shot for a couple weeks and decided it was a piece of crap. At least for me. I think now it's designed for use by people who have no knowledge of computers or who are otherwise morons -- something I reluctantly decided, after long consideration, I was not. (No offense to legitimate and honest morons intended).

A saving grace provided after-market style by the linux community was that my favored KDE interface could be installed onto 11.10 and later Ubuntu versions with a software installation, thus allowing me to completely avoid Unity. Perhaps it works for some, and probably does, but it didn't work for me. I log in and 3 seconds later, I'm returned to the linux login screen. The 11.10 included the new Kmail2 program for handling email on my PC. Unfortunately, that didn't work and a net search found many complaints about it's failures and protests about why such a buggy program was included... nay, mandated, in a major Ubuntu release. Maybe Kmail is soon to go the way of the do-do bird, but until then, leave the dang thing alone, please.

Digging to the bottom of the Ubuntu barrel for solutions, I upgraded to 12.04 and the latest (greatest?) 12.10 in an effort to have KDE and Kmail work, but nothing did. So after a long and happy time with Ubuntu, I decided it was time to trash it as a desktop OS.

I've replaced it with Fedora Core, which Linux users will recognize as a long-standing distribution of Linux. Haven't quite figured it all out but the latest "17" release is installed, running KDE and the still working Kmail software (not Kmail2). It appears to be, so far, every bit as slick as Linux should be. Hopefully Fedora Core will continue to fly high well into the future.

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#20. To: Luke The Spook, F.A. Hayek Fan, hondo68, Lod, wudidiz, James Deffenbach, titorite, christine, Prefrontal Vortex, Original_Intent (#0)

Well, folks, Fedora Core worked fine, but the interface was still a bit different and I had some problems setting up the way I wanted, so I made the decision to move on from there. I took Spooks suggestion to try just straight Debian and I like it. It's what Ubuntu used to be.

I installed it on my laptop and it went fine, then on my desktop. Then my HD crashed and bought a new one today and it's Debian all over again.

Debian seems to be an unsung hero of sorts. Not well known or publicized, but it seems to work great. Given a number of other distributions are based on Debian, it should be well supported for a long time.

Pinguinite  posted on  2013-01-07   20:06:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Pinguinite (#20)

At some point when my friend I met on the Linux forum does the tutorial for Virtualbox I am planning on getting Mageia and trying it out. I like what I use now but wouldn't mind experimenting some.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2013-01-07   21:05:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: James Deffenbach (#21)

Mageia

Not heard of that before. Good luck with it and let us know.

Pinguinite  posted on  2013-01-08   14:36:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Pinguinite, all (#22)

Got this in email today from the Blog of Helios. I don't think anything he said applies too much to anyone here but I do know that a lot of folks are like the ones he is talking about. Personally I really like PCLinuxOS because it works and works well for me. But if someone else likes another "flavor" of Linux well then it's all good.

Happy Sitting at the Kid's Table?
Posted: 06 Jan 2013 09:19 PM PST

I'm not.

I'm not happy at all sitting at the kid's table. But that's where I am.

And if you are a Linux user, you are too. Bet you didn't know that didja?

Neither did I. Until two weeks ago.

That's how long it's taken me to decide whether I'm going to even talk about this in public. I decided that it's probably something you knew in your gut anyway.

Yeah many of you did.

I made a good friend at Google three years ago. We became friends when I was offered an interview for a job there. Fact is...I would have been this new friend's replacement. He would have trained me in, if I was hired on.

In that I turned the offer down due to the commitment I now have really wasn't a surprise to many. Friend was able to find work with Google in another city where his wife was being transferred so it all worked out in the end.

And I gained an extremely good friend. He'll be reading this as soon as it's published. I am sure he suspected it would be a topic for discussion.

Two weeks ago, Friend was in Texas and He drove down to see me. We knocked back a few beers on some small patio bar in Round Rock. When the subject turned to work, I knew Friend was in a position to answer a question for me. It's probably something you knew in your gut anyway.

Yeah you did.

I asked him the question:

"Why does Google refuse to reference that Android or Chromebooks are Linux-based?"

He took a pull on his Shiner Bock and did something I didn't really expect.

He answered me. And I'm not going to use quotes because I didn't write it down but this is awful close:

Because Linux Users can't be trusted to behave if they are taken out into public.

He went on to explain that the powers that be (of which he is not one but within that circle) simply don't want anything getting in the way of Google's march to their phone, tablet and computer market supremacy. Their Chromebook slayed the numbers this Christmas season and many within the marketing effort at Google believe NOT associating their brand with Linux may have helped tremendously.

Is Linux mentioned anywhere in the Android Marketing?

No.

Is Linux mentioned anywhere in Chromebook Marketing?

No.

From our public infighting, to our fragmentation in distro and desktop wars, to our inability to even give decent application names to our programs.....

We act like a bunch of children fighting over the drumstick at Thanksgiving.

In other words.

Let the grownups take care of business, and be quiet....don't make us stop this car.

And no, don't rage at me. I wrestled with this for a couple of weeks, knowing it would piss some people off, but more importantly.....

It would validate what many of you already knew.

Many of the grownups just don't want to be seen in public with us.

Maybe not you, and I certainly hope not me, but still...

It is felt that Linux as a brand name is tainted, and for far more reasons than I mentioned above, but those are pretty much the heavy hitters.

If it makes you feel better to yell at me in the comments, go ahead. I've pretty much accepted that it would happen anyway.

And by doing so....you fairly well prove Google's point. See? Sometimes, the grownups are right.

All-Righty Then

James Deffenbach  posted on  2013-01-08   19:37:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: James Deffenbach, Penguinite, 4 (#25)

From our public infighting, to our fragmentation in distro and desktop wars, to our inability to even give decent application names to our programs.....

We act like a bunch of children fighting over the drumstick at Thanksgiving.

Thanks for this insight.

Sounds very libertarian to me.

Please keep posting all things linux here; one day, I'll be there, thanks much.

Lod  posted on  2013-01-08   19:57:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Lod (#26)

Please keep posting all things linux here; one day, I'll be there, thanks much.

You're very welcome. I'm always glad when someone shakes the dust of Windows off their shoes.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2013-01-08   20:53:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: James Deffenbach, 4 (#27)

I'm always glad when someone shakes the dust of Windows off their shoes.

As I've mentioned, about 3 months back, the olde XP box expired just when some Russian hijacked my gmail.

I plugged in the iMac27(purchased 2011) and installed MS outlook.com email client and life is great.

I'm still waiting for the StartMail service to launch in beta.

If anyone searches for StartMail, it is secure so use https.

Lod  posted on  2013-05-19   18:06:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Lod (#41)

As I've mentioned, about 3 months back, the olde XP box expired just when some Russian hijacked my gmail.

I plugged in the iMac27(purchased 2011) and installed MS outlook.com email client and life is great.

Never have had a Mac but most people who have them seem to love them. Mageia 3.0 is out now and I am thinking about trying it out (will keep my pclos install though and if Mageia plays nice with my computer I will add it to my hard drive). A friend of mine has had nothing but praise for Mageia so I want to try it.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2013-05-19   18:32:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#44. To: James Deffenbach (#43)

It's easily double the cost of MS, but so far here it's 10X worth it to me.

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