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Sandy Hook Hoax "Medical Examiner" Wayne Carver
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Your problem, GL, is that refuse to accept reality. People who live in New England know for a fact what the weather has been like. You don't. Rather than accepting the fact that there are such things as real people and real towns, you think EVERYTHING of importance is filmed in a studio somewhere. If you had any sense at all you'd be able to eliminate what is real from what isn't, but in your case, NOTHING is real, not the people, not the town, not the weather, nothing. That is why you have no credibility. The links I provided prove that the temperature at the time of the press conference was mild, with a temperature of 44 degrees with zero wind at 3PM and 4PM on December 15th in Newtown CT. You can tap dance all you want, it's not going to change that fact. Oh, and your link to LITTLE Danbury is irrelevant, since the town of DANBURY is NOT the same town as LITTLE Danbury, which is about 25 miles away to the south, with Little Danbury right on the coast, whereas Danbury is inland. As far as MINIMUM temperatures, those occur around 5 AM or so, NOT in the middle of the afternoon. Have you ever left the southern regions of the US and been up in New England? You can spin and gyrate all over the place with tons of irrelevant links and page upon page of your opinion, but it doesn't matter, you can NOT change reality to make it into something YOU want it to be. Have you even tried using Google Maps to see where Little Danbury is in relation to Danbury and Newtown? Little Danbury is the southern region of the town of Fairfield, which is right on the coast between Norwich and Bridgeport. Newtown is due north of it, about 25 miles inland. Danbury is about 10 miles west of Newtown. The coast almost always has some type of breeze, where inland areas are often calm. Regardless, the weather report for Newtown indicates ZERO wind with a temperature of 44 degrees at the time of the press conference, and THAT is what the facts are. It's ALSO apparent that you are deliberately tossing out red herrings here, since the VERY SAME weather site which you are using to look up the weather for the town of Fairfield - Little Danbury can ALSO be used to look up the weather info for NEWTOWN CT, the location of interest. So why are you trying to misdirect people here with the weather for a location on the coast, whereas the weather for the town of interest can easily be found via the exact same website? If you enter NEWTOWN CT and December 15 2012, it'll give you the weather for NEWTOWN CT on that day, and confirms that the temperature was 44 degrees with no wind for the time frame of the press conference. Newtown CT (Fairfield County) Hourly Weather Data For December 15 2012 If you've ever been to New England and driven to the coast, you'd know that the weather conditions along the coast are always different than what they are a mere 5 - 10 miles or so inland. It's cooler in the summer and warmer in the winter, and there is almost always a breeze, even if there is no wind at all further inland. You are lying. If you use the same website you've been using to look up weather on the coast of Connecticut, and instead enter HARTFORD for December 15, 2012, you will see that the temperature there was 44 to 42 degrees between 3 and 4 PM of that day, with no wind at 3PM, and a mild wind of 3.5 mph at 4PM. Hartford CT (Hartford County) Hourly Weather Data For December 15 2012 In terms of what I had posted in regards to Hartford earlier, it matches what the Friendly Forecast website gives. Anybody can look it up to verify that fact. Recent Weather in U.S.A. – Connecticut – Hartford As far as the wind data, scroll down on the timeanddate webpage till you see "Detailed list of observations in Hartford" and expand the item for "Weather on Dec 15". You will see that there was no wind at 2:53 PM, and a 3 mph wind at 3:53 PM, which agrees with the Friendly Forecast site. At 6PM (from the Hartford-Brainard Airport) the temperature was 40 degrees. The observation for 5:53 PM from the timeanddate site is reported as 36 degrees. Both sites report 34 degrees at 7PM and 6:53PM. So no, the temperature did not dip to below freezing at 6PM as you claim, which really doesn't matter, but indicates you are either making this up as you go or are seriously confused when it comes to looking up data. Regardless, it's the weather for Hartford, not Newtown, where Newtown stayed at 44 degrees during the timeframe and had no wind at all. Is it that you don't know how to look things up, or are you deliberately misleading people on this for whatever reason? Can't you just admit that you were wrong? Yes, I looked at several maps of the areas -- including Bridgeport. Newtown is due north of it, about 25 miles inland. Danbury is about 10 miles west of Newtown. The coast almost always has some type of breeze, where inland areas are often calm. Regardless, the weather report for Newtown indicates ZERO wind with a temperature of 44 degrees at the time of the press conference, and THAT is what the facts are. The NOAA .gov link that I posted first (but is no longer showing the timeframe in question) was for Danbury Municipal Airport, not the coast, but you discarded that official presentation which was closest. I am not going to presume your terrorist-sounding Weather Underground site (for the area of Danbury in-general and from no weather station in particular, which could have been issued from somebody's garage, for all I know at this point) ought to be considered as more accurate than the friendlyforecast.com info that I posted from yet another official weather station -- in Bridgeport -- which shows winds at about 6 mph for the 2 hours of 3PM-4PM on Dec 15th. The fact is that there is no point in further splitting hairs about that because I'll be addressing your video again in my next reply, eventually -- in comparison to the one posted by wudidiz. Moreover, as I said in my previous post, the date of Dec 14 and those timeframes (the day of the reported shooting; the day before your reference) are of most relevance to examples I've mentioned other than the Medical Examiner. I found more detailed wind data as to speed and direction at your Weather Underground site, btw (past a large blank section and an astronomy section, towards the bottom of the page). Suffice it to say that the speed was not logged at 0 mph all day or at any time on the 15th -- again, a logging of Calm simply meaning below 3 mph. If below 3 mph was the avg. wind speed calculated for that day there (which seems to be the case, as most timeframes are shown non-numerically/non-specifically as Calm), then that would get inaccurately translated to 0 mph but it is not a reflection of fact. A graph on the page there (for Dec 15) shows temps no higher than 45 degrees and dropping rapidly to just slightly above 40 degrees by 4PM, which is 5 mins. from the time you gave as the start point for the CNN recording of the Medical Examiner being interviewed. Also, that site shows wind speeds ranging from above zero to higher than 10 mph (max. 12 mph, avg. 2 mph) for the hours of 8AM to 5PM on the more crucial date of Dec 14th, with an avg. temp of 34 degrees -- no higher than 46 degrees (which lasted 2 hours) and a windchill factor of no more than 43.9 degrees. Enough said on all of these issues rehashed in this reply, imo. Let's do move on now to the video comparisons that I spoke of in my third paragraph above because this line of argument is actually quite detrimental to your stance and that analysis might be somewhat less so. Edited for spacing and grammar. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Here you go again, swarming the board with post after post indicating that you definitely aren't even really reading what I've said, just making a jumble of misconstruances to insult. Well, now you can wait for the comparative analysis I mentioned because I'm too busy to wade through your nouveau bog and do that too. L8r, mudslinger.
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
P.S. I'm going dub that slam your "Strawberry Fields Forever" Beatlemania post. lol ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
WTF don't you understand about the fact the press conference took place on Saturday, December 15th, between 3 and 4 PM? You are all over the place with dates and times, ranging from the day of the shooting to four days later, and all over the place with geographic locations, ranging from the Connecticut coast (Little Danbury) to Hartford, to God knows where else. You refuse to accept that the temperature of 44 degrees with no wind does not require heavy clothing, nor will zero wind stir up people's hairdo's. You're beating a dead horse. Just admit you're wrong. Judging from your inability to read the weather pages which ARE available, or to determine the correct geographic location, I'd say you were off on that as well. Regardless, you posted post after post of weather from LITTLE DANBURY, NOT DANBURY, across a 4 or 5 day timeframe. You refuse to look at data from Newtown or Danbury, misrepresent and lie about data concerning Hartford, and are grasping at non-existant straws. Then you wonder why a lot of people can see right through your "no-planes" nonsense. I am not going to presume your terrorist-sounding Weather Underground site (for the area of Danbury in-general and from no weather station in particular, which could have been issued from somebody's garage, for all I know at this point)ought to be considered as more accurate than the friendlyforecast.com info that I posted from yet another official weather station -- in Bridgeport -- which shows winds at about 6 mph for the 2 hours of 3PM-4PM on Dec 15th. A) From Weather Underground (weather service) - Wiki B) Bridgeport is on the coast. Why is it you like to confuse inland weather with coastal weather? I found more detailed wind data as to speed and direction at your Weather Underground site, btw (past a large blank section and an astronomy section, towards the bottom of the page). Suffice it to say that the speed was not logged at 0 mph all day or at any time on the 15th -- Uh huh. From History for Danbury, CT (Weather Underground) Do you know how to read a graph? Between 2PM and 11PM there was 0 mph winds (ie. NO WIND). Get real. I am the first person to have posted an official weather report for Danbury -- not you -- and it was the one you rejected from NOAA .gov at Danbury Municipal Airport. So, I posted another offical weather station report for the nearby area -- friendlyforecast.com in Bridgeport -- and I have only posted those two official sources. It is you who have confused even yourself by injecting other than an official source and farther away; backtracking to cite Danbury in-general from a hodge-podge compiling of a commercial source when you refused to accept the official source from that very same area. Bye4now. Edited next to last sentence. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
You'll have to scroll down to the bottom of the page for what I already explained to you about loggings of Calm winds there not meaning no wind -- just less than 3 mph -- and how that would inaccurately translate as an average of no wind because of non-numerical/non-specific entries in those timeframes. Take a break. I have other work to do now. Edited italics. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
P.S. It's not a matter of "as I claim". The info at your very own source in that reply (Recent Weather in U.S.A. – Connecticut – Hartford at timeanddate.com) shows the temp plunging to 31 degrees by 6PM. Check it fast to verify because the data for Dec 15th is being phased off of the page now to move forward. Edited to include first sentence, for highlighting, parenthesis, spelling and to correct the link. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Like I said, you DON'T GIVE UP do you, even when proven wrong with factual data. Here's some more data for you. In case you didn't know, Eastern Standard Time (EST) is 5 hours behind Greenwich Mean Time (GMT), and in 24 hour time, 3PM is 1500, 4PM is 1600. Thus, 3PM to 4PM EST would be 2000 to 2100 GMT in 24 hour time. And oh yeah, 0 means ZERO. From Past Weather Conditions for KDXR (Danbury Municipal Airport) Edit: fixed link Tabular Listing: December 15, 2012 - 0:00 through December 16, 2012 - 00:00 GMT At 19:53 GMT (2:53 PM EST) there was ZERO wind, and at 20:53 GMT (3:53 PM EST) there was ALSO ZERO wind. Do you get it yet? Are you high, blind, or just lying to see if you can get away with it? From Recent Weather in U.S.A. – Connecticut – Hartford Dec 15 5:53 PM Clear. Chilly. 36 °F No wind - 62% 30.26 "Hg 10 mi Neil, I've tried various ways to fix this table, but no matter what I do in preview, once posted it'll delete the last < / table> tag and break the output. Any ideas? It looks like once subsequent text passed the last row of the table, everythings back to normal.
While I'm at it, here's the tabular data from the timeanddate.com page for Hartford CT on December 15th 2012 before it falls off the historical time window; Edit: Had another browser window with more complete data, so I updated the table. Dec 15 2:53 PM Sunny. Quite cool. 44 °F No wind 47% 30.25 "Hg 10 mi 3:53 PM Sunny. Quite cool. 42 °F 3 mph 49% 30.26 "Hg 10 mi 4:53 PM Clear. Chilly. 40 °F No wind 51% 30.25 "Hg 10 mi 5:53 PM Clear. Chilly. 36 °F No wind 62% 30.26 "Hg 10 mi 6:53 PM Clear. Chilly. 34 °F No wind 67% 30.27 "Hg 10 mi 7:53 PM Clear. Chilly. 31 °F 3 mph 79% 30.29 "Hg 10 mi 8:53 PM Clear. Chilly. 32 °F No wind 79% 30.29 "Hg 8 mi 9:53 PM Clear. Chilly. 36 °F No wind 64% 30.29 "Hg 10 mi 10:53 PM Passing clouds. Chilly. 36 °F 3 mph 62% 30.29 "Hg 10 mi 11:53 PM Clear. Chilly. 35 °F 3 mph 67% 30.28 "Hg 10 mi Post 39 was meant for you, I misspelled your handle in the To: field. Something about post 37 is messed up. Tried using a closing table tag, and it looks ok in preview, but once you hit the post button the last closing table tag is deleted, causing the post to get all messed up.
Quit giving me weather reports for Hartford. Dec 15th doesn't even appear at that one anymore. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Here's some more data for you. In case you didn't know, Eastern Standard Time (EST) is 5 hours behind Greenwich Mean Time (GMT), and in 24 hour time, 3PM is 1500, 4PM is 1600. Thus, 3PM to 4PM EST would be 2000 to 2100 GMT in 24 hour time. And oh yeah, 0 means ZERO. From Past Weather Conditions for KDXR (Danbury Municipal Airport) Edit: fixed link Tabular Listing: December 15, 2012 - 0:00 through December 16, 2012 - 00:00 GMT You haven't proven anything wrong. Let's recap what's going on here circularly with you. The discussion of weather reports started at Post #10, where I gave you this official NOAA .gov stamped link with the ID of KDXR in the path for Danbury Municipal Airport: http://w1.weather.gov/obhistory/KDXR.html Even though it is not necessary to do any Greenwich Mean Time (GMT) conversions there because the timeframes are posted more simply in Eastern Standard Time (EST), KDXR/Danbury Municipal Airport wasn't a suitable enough location for you then -- or at least not from the NOAA .gov source -- and you promptly detoured the matter at Post #13 to farther away Hartford; prefering instead to discuss the weather conditions there for comparison via your timeanddate.com link. At Post #16, I tried to bring the focus back closer to the Newtown area from an official weather station near there but one having a different location than KDXR/Danbury Municipal Airport, which you had found objectionable at that time. I picked: Bridgeport/Igor|Sikorsky Memorial, CT at the friendlyforecast.com site. Whereupon, at Post #18, you preferred to reference the Danbury area more generally from an unofficial, patchworked commercial-source: the terrorist sounding Weather Underground site. At Post #22, I listed the official weather station reports from friendlyforecast.com for the week of Dec 14th through Dec 20th and your two unofficial links, as well, for comparison. Then, after the above noted deflections from you, (this is the funny part) at Post #25 you accuse me of misdirecting people to the coast and tossing out red herrings there instead of using this friendlyforecast.com link (as my official weather station substitute-site for NOAA), which happens to be from...Danbury Municipal Airport and is the very same location I had posted in the first place that you replaced with Hartford. lol Now that you finally seem to be ok with the Danbury Municipal Airport location and that friendlyforecast website as an official reference, that'll be fine by me and, for ease of access, I'll even post links here for the week of Dec 14th through Dec 20th. At Post #26, you proceeded to give me more weather reports for farther away Hartford and stuff and now here we are at another funny part -- your info at Post #37 for ID:...KDXR (Danbury Municipal Airport), which is the very same KDXR ID I gave you with the official NOAA .gov link. lol I can only guess that maybe you just don't like NOAA .gov for some reason -- even though the format there does (afaik) numerically log precise speeds below 3 mph rather than using the less-specific, text-word "Calm" for those ranges -- but it has become unusable now anyway for the timeframes in question. I don't know how you circuitously got to that far removed, MesoWest / University of Utah locale for the Dec 15th tabulation there of KDXR (Danbury Municipal Airport) in Connecticut or why (since you already knew that the friendlyforecast site is the more direct and user-friendly path for Danbury Municipal Airport info) but it is unnecessarily overcomplicated with the Greenwich Mean Time (GMT) format rather than the Eastern Standard Time (EST) format used for Danbury Municipal Airport readings at the friendlyforecast site. I'm supposing that you selected it because it numerically shows wind speeds of 0 mph rather than the text-format of "Calm" for speeds below 3 mph. Perhaps you've decided that every other weather site posted, even by you, is unreliable if it states "Calm" instead of 0. (Ex: your Weather Underground site at the bottom of the page) | Edited to correct this section by extracting what I had mistakenly said about the number of zeros listed at the MesoWest/Utah site so as to minimize confusion here about it. Edited to correct errors in this section by rewording and highlighting: My impression of your weather source out West is that they only log whole number estimations of wind speeds and maybe don't log wind speeds there below Observed at: Danbury Municipal Airport, CT [scroll down approx. 1/3 of the page to reference] Newtown CT (Fairfield County) Hourly Weather Data For December 14 2012 Newtown CT (Fairfield County) Hourly Weather Data For December 15 2012 Newtown CT (Fairfield County) Hourly Weather Data For December 16 2012 Newtown CT (Fairfield County) Hourly Weather Data For December 17 2012 Newtown CT (Fairfield County) Hourly Weather Data For December 18 2012 Newtown CT (Fairfield County) Hourly Weather Data For December 19 2012 Newtown CT (Fairfield County) Hourly Weather Data For December 20 2012 Edited for various readability issues and Post #25 link correction. Two additional error-edits noted with major restructuring at ending paragraphs 6 and 7. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Dec 15 2:53 PM Sunny. Quite cool. 44 °F No wind 47% 30.25 "Hg 10 mi 3:53 PM Sunny. Quite cool. 42 °F 3 mph 49% 30.26 "Hg 10 mi 4:53 PM Clear. Chilly. 40 °F No wind 51% 30.25 "Hg 10 mi Does this mean you're willing to agree that those temps in the 40s are not quite comforable but quite cool and chilly? ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
You're the one who keeps trying to say that Hartford had high winds, and that it dropped to freezing in the day. Stop spewing bullshit and perhaps I wont have to keep correcting you. However, your own Hartford weather report reference (from timeanddate.com that you posted first as being comparable to Newtown) shows the temperature dropping rapidly there from 44 degrees at Noon to below freezing at 6PM with the 3PM-4PM range around 36 degrees (barely above freezing) but it has no data for wind speeds. I proved you were full of it on that comment. You also loved to post weather for the Connecticut coast, which has nothing to do with the weather in Newtown. As far as Newtown, it was 44-42 degrees at the time of the news conference with no wind. Do you acknowledge that to be true or not? Warm enough to be comfortable with a light jacket. Do you agree that no wind would result in no wind blown hair? Hey genius, that is the official weather data for the Danbury Municipal Airport, which you love to toss around yet you can't seem to understand it. 0 mph means exactly that. AND, GMT is the official time for weather data. If it's too tough for you to understand, stop posting about things that are beyond your understanding. What don't you comprehend about the fact the NOAA site only goes back several days, and doesn't show the weather for the 15th anymore? Are you saying that the official data isn't correct, that really it was below freezing with high winds, just because YOU say so? A quick look seems to show it is a rather complex table. The program code that does the work with this is 3rd party. The idea is to ensure that all the HTML coding is properly done so no unclosed HTML tagging bleeds past the end of the document and screws up the rest of the text on the web page. It does that by first tearing the HTML text apart, preserving the HTML codes along side each piece of text, and then reassembling it. So if it's missing the / table tag, then I can only guess things were a bit too complex for that module to handle. A bug. I know that's not a helpful answer. I'll have to play with it to be sure before seeing about a possible fix. I don't expect my working with that 3rd party software would be very productive though, but maybe there is an update.
I also noticed the original code contains a < clear="all"> at the end, but it get's converted to < c***r="all"> on a preview. Some public officers have very poor media relations skills, and Dr. H. Wayne Carver is among those. Because of the very nature of the duties of the Office of Medical Examiner (or coroner, a common law elected position that has been replaced in many jurisdictions) most do not employ press relations people. The duties also seem to attract ghoulish doctors, some of who would likely fail in private practice. (Viewing the video speaks for itself.) Do any of you kiddies remember what a weirdo "The Coroner To The Stars", Dr. Thomas Noguchi was? He finally went too far and was fired when he speculated about the death of Natalie Wood, weaving a press conference scenario of how she may have fallen from a boat with no way of knowing if his account resembled the facts. Carver's attempts at levity (it was a spree killing at a school you goddam weirdo) was not only in extremely poor taste but it also demonstrates just how socially deprived/disordered he is. (Here's a hint, Doctor. When no one returns your smiles get serious and remember that it isn't about you, you inept and disgusting tub of shit) Also, his layer of blubber and possible use of narcotics (used by many doctors and health care professionals with access to them) may reduce his sensitivity to cold. When I take opiates or synthetic equivalents I'm less susceptible to wind chill.
No wind chill that day. There was no wind after 2 in the afternoon, and the temperature was 44 to 42 degrees. That's a balmy winter day for New Englanders, light coats or a doctor's smock over a t-shirt would be sufficient. Noted, although he's much less critical, imo, concerning investigations of observed weather-effect anomalies than are more pertinent examples of others and the landscape on Dec 14th. There were no calm winds reported for Newton from 9:00 a.m. until 6 p.m. on that date. Winds were between a low of 4 mph and a high of 11.5 mph the entire time for daylight-condtions re: allegedly filming outdoors and other factors in question like noticeable movements or not of things such as hair, breath-vapor, tree branches, leaves, etc.; people in thin shirts -- especially children -- appearing not to be cold after supposedly being outside for quite a while; many parents and adults seemingly unconcerned about children without warmer clothing in-transit to and from the fire station and during interviews. From midnight until the hour of 11 a.m., temperatures decreased for 8 hours far below the freezing point (from 23 to 21 degrees), then went to very near freezing (34 degrees) for 2 hours until 11 a.m. when it registered at 40 degrees but went no higher in the afternoon than 46 degrees for the 3 hours of 3 p.m. through 5 p.m. -- dropping rapidly from there during the hour of 5 p.m. (approx. sunset) to very near the freezing point again at 6 p.m. (33 degrees) and steadily dropping below freezing therafter to 26 degrees through 11 p.m.; with the winds and humidity impacting the windchill factor, which would make it seem colder than the logged temperatures. Edited for clarifications, readability, etc. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Yep, the entire town of Newtown is filled with actors, people who don't have a real life, and are just there to act for the cameras. Uh huh. Please try to post more relevant info if you're going to give a weather report. First off, the children did not begin to leave the school till somewhere around 10 AM. At that time, the temperature was 38 degrees with a 7 mph wind. The temperature then climbed steadily up to 48 degrees through 3 PM. The winds ranged from 5 to 12 mph during that timeframe. From Past Weather Conditions for KDXR Tabular Listing: December 14, 2012 - 0:00 through December 15, 2012 - 00:00 EST You can report weather at 11 PM and say that it was freezing, but so what? These events did not happen at 11 PM at night, so why even bother bringing it up? As far as your claims of "thin shirts" and all that, can you post an image of any examples? Concerning "seeing" the breaths of people outdoors, that usually doesn't happen unless the humidity is high and the difference between the dew point and actual temperature is 5 degrees or less. Throughout the timeframe of the evacuation and reuniting of the children and their parents, the difference was greater than that, so not seeing condensation is to be expected. In fact it'd be quite odd if there HAD been condensation at those temperatures on a sunny day. As far as wind, there are signs of wind in various clips. You won't see the tree branches sway at those wind speeds however. In terms of clothing, all of the images I've seen appear consistant with what people would wear in those conditions, with some children wearing heavy winter coats, while others wore sweatshirts or light jackets. You again are gyrating around some dubious claims in an effort to conclude that this was all shot in a Hollywood studio. Get a grip of yourself. Uh huh. What we can be relatively certain about is that officialdom typically tells us absurdities malevolently and you will act like the crab for them that pulls others back into the box if they try to think outside of it beyond the setting of your one-dimensional parameters. Secretive societies with a penchant for playing funeral games -- and idealogues, too, that tend to believe the ends justify the means and will lie or worse to get what they want -- probably aren't news to you so posturing as if there couldn't be any such thing involved in this is odd, especially considering that this is from your post at #58 of 4um Title: How 9-11 Was Done: From Wiki ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
You're trying to equate the "legend" of Hani Hanjour's flying experience with the existance of an entire town of people, many who know each other personally, who are neighbors with the people whose lives were affected by this massacre. You are claiming that these people who have had their children killed, along with the families of the teachers and principal, are all fake. You are trying to claim that everyone, including the children, are all actors. Do you not realize how insane you sound? I posted a summary of the weather for the day at Newtown, CT from the nearby Danbury Municipal Airport (not somewhere out West, like your college-reference) with a link to verify. That you post something conflicting doesn't make mine wrong. I sort of suspect your MesoWest site and maybe you too are linked to the NSA facility in Mormonly-covert Utah. Regardless, take a hike and find somebody else to talk to. Edited sentence 1. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Are you retarded? Did you even look at the source of the MesoWest data? It's from the National Weather Service you fool. The weather I posted is THE OFFICIAL NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE DATA FROM DANBURY MUNICIPAL AIRPORT. Do you UNDERSTAND? That you can't read tabular data just indicates you aren't very bright. You didn't exactly post conflicting data, you just tossed out a lot of red herrings that had nothing to do with the weather around the time of the evacuation of the school. You can report weather at 11 PM and say that it was freezing, but so what? These events did not happen at 11 PM at night, so why even bother bringing it up? As far as your claims of "thin shirts" and all that, can you post an image of any examples? No wind chill that day. There was no wind after 2 in the afternoon, and the temperature was 44 to 42 degrees. That's a balmy winter day for New Englanders, light coats or a doctor's smock over a t-shirt would be sufficient. Well, that's a bit cool for me, and I did notice that the doctor was wearing a long lab coat and that he kept his hands in his pockets while keeping his arms tight to his body. In short, he was posing as expected of a doctor in 40°-ish weather who wanted to be recorded in a clean white lab blouse instead of something more appropriate, i.e., his classic grey tweed LONDON FOG overcoat.
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#24. To: GreyLmist (#22)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#25. To: GreyLmist (#22)
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"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#26. To: GreyLmist (#22)
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However, your own Hartford weather report reference (from timeanddate.com that you posted first as being comparable to Newtown) shows the temperature dropping rapidly there from 44 degrees at Noon to below freezing at 6PM with the 3PM-4PM range around 36 degrees (barely above freezing) but it has no data for wind speeds.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#27. To: FormerLurker (#24)
(Edited)
Have you even tried using Google Maps to see where Little Danbury is in relation to Danbury and Newtown?
Little Danbury is the southern region of the town of Fairfield, which is right on the coast between Norwich and Bridgeport.
#28. To: FormerLurker (#26)
#29. To: FormerLurker (#23)
in your case, NOTHING is real
#30. To: GreyLmist (#27)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#31. To: GreyLmist (#27)
(Edited)
The NOAA .gov link that I posted first (but is no longer showing the timeframe in question) was for Danbury Municipal Airport, not the coast
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#32. To: GreyLmist (#27)
(Edited)
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"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#33. To: GreyLmist (#27)
(Edited)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#34. To: FormerLurker (#31)
(Edited)
You refuse to look at data from Newtown or Danbury, misrepresent and lie about data concerning Hartford, and are grasping at non-existant straws.
#35. To: FormerLurker (#33)
(Edited)
Between 2PM and 11PM there was 0 mph winds (ie. NO WIND).
#36. To: FormerLurker (#26)
(Edited)
At 6PM (from the Hartford-Brainard Airport) the temperature was 40 degrees. The observation for 5:53 PM from the timeanddate site is reported as 36 degrees. Both sites report 34 degrees at 7PM and 6:53PM. So no, the temperature did not dip to below freezing at 6PM as you claim, which really doesn't matter, but indicates you are either making this up as you go or are seriously confused when it comes to looking up data.
#37. To: GreyLmist (#35)
(Edited)
You'll have to scroll down to the bottom of the page for what I already explained to you about loggings of Calm winds there not meaning no wind -- just less than 3 mph -- and how that would inaccurately translate as an average of no wind because of non-numerical/non-specific entries in those timeframes.
Time(GMT) Temperature Dew Wet Bulb Relative Wind Wind Quality Pressure Sea level Altimeter 1500 m Weather Visibility Point Temperature Humidity Speed Direction check pressure Pressure conditions ° F ° F ° F % mph in in in in miles 23:53 33.1 27.0 30.8 78 0 29.76 30.27 30.26 25.25 clear 10.00 22:53 32.0 27.0 30.1 81 0 29.75 30.27 30.25 25.24 clear 10.00 21:53 37.0 27.0 33.1 67 0 29.75 30.26 30.25 25.24 clear 10.00 20:53 42.1 26.1 35.7 53 0 29.75 30.26 30.25 25.24 clear 10.00 19:53 44.1 26.1 36.9 49 0 29.75 30.26 30.25 25.24 clear 10.00 18:53 44.1 26.1 36.9 49 0 29.75 30.26 30.25 25.24 clear 10.00 17:53 44.1 26.1 36.9 49 5 NE 29.77 30.28 30.27 25.26 clear 10.00 16:53 42.1 26.1 35.8 53 5 NNE 29.80 30.31 30.30 25.29 clear 10.00 15:53 41.0 28.0 35.8 60 5 E 29.82 30.32 30.32 25.30 clear 10.00 14:53 34.0 28.9 32.0 82 0 29.82 30.33 30.32 25.30 clear 7.00 13:53 28.0 25.0 27.0 88 0 29.81 30.32 30.31 25.29 fog 6.00 12:53 21.9 19.0 21.1 88 0 29.80 30.31 30.30 25.29 clear 7.00 11:53 21.9 19.0 21.1 88 0 29.78 30.30 30.28 25.27 clear 8.00 10:53 21.9 19.0 21.1 88 0 29.78 30.29 30.28 25.27 clear 8.00 9:53 21.9 19.0 21.1 88 0 29.76 30.27 30.26 25.25 clear 9.00 8:53 23.0 19.9 22.1 88 0 29.76 30.27 30.26 25.25 clear 9.00 7:53 23.0 21.0 22.4 92 0 29.76 30.27 30.26 25.25 clear 7.00 6:53 26.1 21.9 24.7 84 0 29.75 30.26 30.25 25.24 clear 10.00 5:53 25.0 21.9 24.0 88 0 29.74 30.24 30.23 25.23 clear 10.00 4:53 26.1 23.0 25.1 88 0 29.74 30.24 30.23 25.23 clear 9.00 3:53 26.1 23.0 25.1 88 0 29.72 30.22 30.21 25.21 clear 9.00 2:53 28.9 24.1 27.3 82 0 29.72 30.22 30.21 25.21 clear 10.00 1:53 27.0 23.0 25.6 85 3 WSW 29.73 30.23 30.22 25.22 clear 10.00 0:53 28.9 24.1 27.3 82 0 29.72 30.22 30.21 25.21 clear 10.00 23:53 30.0 24.1 27.9 78 0 29.70 30.20 30.19 25.19 clear 10.00
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#38. To: GreyLmist (#36)
P.S. It's not a matter of "as I claim". The info at your very own source in that reply (Recent Weather in U.S.A. – Connecticut – Hartford at timeanddate.com) shows the temp plunging to 31 degrees by 6PM.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#39. To: Pinguinte (#37)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#40. To: All (#39)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#41. To: GreyLmist (#36)
(Edited)
P.S. It's not a matter of "as I claim". The info at your very own source in that reply (Recent Weather in U.S.A. – Connecticut – Hartford at timeanddate.com) shows the temp plunging to 31 degrees by 6PM. Check it fast to verify because the data for Dec 15th is being phased off of the page now to move forward.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#42. To: Pinguinite (#39)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#43. To: FormerLurker (#41)
While I'm at it, here's the tabular data from the timeanddate.com page for Hartford CT on December 15th 2012 before it falls off the historical time window;
#44. To: FormerLurker (#38)
(Edited)
Like I said, you DON'T GIVE UP do you, even when proven wrong with factual data.
strike5out 3 mph. Am not sure but think that the zero readings are probably numerical-shorthand for the word "Calm" (meaning below a mph point, which doesn't necessarily equate to 0 exactly) and may not really be an accurate reflection of no wind at all, imo. Due to the MesoWest/Utah problems of GMT complexity and non-proximity to Connecticut, I suggest we use the official friendlyforecast data for Danbury Municipal Airport in any other discussions of the weather conditions for the Newtown, CT area:
#45. To: FormerLurker (#41)
Edit: Had another browser window with more complete data, so I updated the table.
#46. To: GreyLmist (#43)
Quit giving me weather reports for Hartford. Dec 15th doesn't even appear at that one anymore.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#47. To: GreyLmist (#45)
Does this mean you're willing to agree that those temps in the 40s are not quite comforable but quite cool and chilly?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#48. To: GreyLmist (#44)
University of Utah locale for the Dec 15th tabulation there of KDXR (Danbury Municipal Airport) in Connecticut or why (since you already knew that the friendlyforecast site is the more direct and user-friendly path for Danbury Municipal Airport info) but it is unnecessarily overcomplicated with the Greenwich Mean Time (GMT) format rather than the Eastern Standard Time (EST)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#49. To: GreyLmist (#44)
(Edited)
your info at Post #37 for ID:...KDXR (Danbury Municipal Airport), which is the very same KDXR ID I gave you with the official NOAA .gov link.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#50. To: FormerLurker (#39)
Neil, I've tried various ways to fix this table, but no matter what I do in preview, once posted it'll delete the last < / table> tag and break the output.
#51. To: Pinguinite (#50)
So if it's missing the / table tag, then I can only guess things were a bit too complex for that module to handle. A bug.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#52. To: wudidiz (#0)
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#53. To: HOUNDDAWG (#52)
When I take opiates or synthetic equivalents I'm less susceptible to wind chill.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#54. To: HOUNDDAWG (#52)
(Edited)
his layer of blubber and possible use of narcotics (used by many doctors and health care professionals with access to them) may reduce his sensitivity to cold. When I take opiates or synthetic equivalents I'm less susceptible to wind chill.
#55. To: GreyLmist (#54)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#56. To: GreyLmist, All (#54)
(Edited)
There were no calm winds reported for Newton from 9:00 a.m. until 6 p.m. on that date. Winds were between a low of 4 mph and a high of 11.5 mph the entire time for daylight-condtions re: allegedly filming outdoors and other factors in question like noticeable movements or not of things such as hair, tree branches, leaves, breath-vapor, etc.; people in thin shirts -- especially children -- appearing not to be cold after supposedly being outside for quite a while; many parents and adults seemingly unconcerned about children without warmer clothing in-transit to and from the fire station and during interviews. From midnight until the hour of 11 a.m., temperatures decreased for 8 hours far below the freezing point (from 23 to 21 degrees), then went to very near freezing (34 degrees) for 2 hours until 11 a.m. when it registered at 40 degrees but went no higher in the afternoon than 46 degrees for the 3 hours of 3 p.m. through 5 p.m. -- dropping rapidly from there during the hour of 5 p.m. (approx. sunset) to very near the freezing point again at 6 p.m. (33 degrees) and steadily dropping below freezing therafter to 26 degrees through 11 p.m.; with the winds and humidity impacting the windchill factor, which would make it seem colder than the logged temperatures.
Time(EST) Temperature Dew Wet Bulb Relative Wind Wind Quality Pressure Sea level Altimeter 1500 m Weather Visibility Point Temperature Humidity Speed Direction check pressure Pressure conditions ° F ° F ° F % mph in in in in miles 23:53 26.1 23.0 25.1 88 0 29.74 30.24 30.23 25.23 clear 9.00 22:53 26.1 23.0 25.1 88 0 29.72 30.22 30.21 25.21 clear 9.00 21:53 28.9 24.1 27.3 82 0 29.72 30.22 30.21 25.21 clear 10.00 20:53 27.0 23.0 25.6 85 3 WSW 29.73 30.23 30.22 25.22 clear 10.00 19:53 28.9 24.1 27.3 82 0 29.72 30.22 30.21 25.21 clear 10.00 18:53 30.0 24.1 27.9 78 0 29.70 30.20 30.19 25.19 clear 10.00 17:53 33.1 24.1 29.8 69 0 29.68 30.18 30.17 25.18 clear 10.00 16:53 37.9 23.0 32.4 54 0 29.66 30.16 30.15 25.16 clear 10.00 15:53 46.0 19.9 36.3 35 5 WNW 29.65 30.15 30.14 25.15 clear 10.00 14:53 48.0 21.0 37.6 34 6 W 29.64 30.14 30.13 25.14 clear 10.00 13:53 46.0 23.0 37.0 40 10 W 29.64 30.14 30.13 25.14 clear 10.00 12:53 45.0 24.1 36.8 43 12 WSW 29.66 30.16 30.15 25.16 clear 10.00 11:53 42.1 25.0 35.4 50 9 WSW 29.68 30.18 30.17 25.18 clear 10.00 10:53 39.9 25.0 34.2 55 10 WSW 29.72 30.22 30.21 25.21 clear 10.00 9:53 37.9 24.1 32.8 57 8 WSW 29.74 30.24 30.23 25.23 clear 9.00 8:53 34.0 25.0 30.7 69 7 WSW 29.75 30.25 30.24 25.24 clear 8.00 7:53 21.9 18.0 20.8 84 0 29.75 30.26 30.24 25.24 fog 5.00 6:53 21.0 19.0 20.4 92 0 29.75 30.26 30.25 25.24 clear 7.00 5:53 21.0 18.0 20.1 88 0 29.75 30.27 30.25 25.24 clear 8.00 4:53 21.9 19.0 21.1 88 0 29.76 30.27 30.26 25.25 clear 8.00 3:53 21.9 19.0 21.1 88 0 29.77 30.28 30.27 25.26 clear 7.00 2:53 23.0 19.9 22.1 88 0 29.79 30.30 30.29 25.28 clear 8.00 1:53 23.0 19.9 22.1 88 0 29.80 30.31 30.30 25.29 clear 7.00 0:53 24.1 21.0 23.1 88 0 29.80 30.31 30.30 25.29 clear 7.00 23:53 23.0 21.0 22.4 92 0 29.82 30.33 30.32 25.30 clear 8.00 
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"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#57. To: FormerLurker (#55)
(Edited)
Yep, the entire town of Newtown is filled with actors, people who don't have a real life, and are just there to act for the cameras.
You will find NO "professional experience", since the man couldn't even fly a single engine plane. Apparently he was handed this "license" as part of the "Legend".
See also: Russian Spy Ring Aimed to Make Children Agents - WSJ.com - with 3.5 min. audio In larger networks the organization can be complex with many methods to avoid detection, including clandestine cell systems. Often the players have never met. [sic] sometimes a person with a well-prepared synthetic identity, called a Legend in tradecraft, may attempt to infiltrate a target organization.
The spies' false identities, also called "legends," were good enough for them to get jobs and mortgages and start families in America,
#58. To: GreyLmist (#57)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#59. To: FormerLurker (#56)
(Edited)
#60. To: GreyLmist (#59)
I posted a summary of the weather for the day from Danbury Municipal Airport. That you post something conflicting doesn't make mine wrong. I sort of suspect your MesoWest site and maybe you too are linked to the NSA facility in Mormonly- covert Utah.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#61. To: GreyLmist (#59)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#62. To: FormerLurker (#53)
When I take opiates or synthetic equivalents I'm less susceptible to wind chill.
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