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Title: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns
Source: Weekly Standard
URL Source: http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs ... ve-order-deal-guns_694984.html
Published: Jan 9, 2013
Author: Daniel Halper
Post Date: 2013-01-09 13:13:21 by noone222
Keywords: None
Views: 683
Comments: 48

Vice President Joe Biden revealed that President Barack Obama might use an executive order to deal with guns.

"The president is going to act," said Biden, giving some comments to the press before a meeting with victims of gun violence. "There are executives orders, there's executive action that can be taken. We haven't decided what that is yet. But we're compiling it all with the help of the attorney general and the rest of the cabinet members as well as legislative action that we believe is required."

Biden said that this is a moral issue and that "it's critically important that we act."

Biden talked also about taking responsible action. "As the president said, if you're actions result in only saving one life, they're worth taking. But I'm convinced we can affect the well-being of millions of Americans and take thousands of people out of harm's way if we act responsibly."

Biden, as he himself noted, helped write the Brady bill.

Eric Holder was scheduled to be at the meeting that's currently taking place at the White House.

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#2. To: noone222 (#0)

Vice President Joe Biden revealed that President Barack Obama might use an executive order to deal with guns.

If Obama tries to use an Executive Order to undermine the 2nd Amendment, imho he is setting himself up for a big fail at the SCOTUS level, if not at the Congressional level where a super majority vote is required to veto an Executive Order.

His attempt to use an EO to subvert the 2nd amendment might in fact harm the Dem Party in elections for years to come. The Dem Party is not just supported by special interest ( far left extremist) groups - there are also millions of moderate (non-special interest aligned) Dem voters ( who own guns) who would be PO'd, me thinks.

scrapper2  posted on  2013-01-09   13:42:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: scrapper2 (#2)

at the Congressional level where a super majority vote is required to veto an Executive Order.

What? The Constitution doesn't say that.

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-01-10   7:09:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: GreyLmist (#12)

What? The Constitution doesn't say that.

www.thisnation.com/question/040.html

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Executive Orders are controversial because they allow the President to make major decisions, even law, without the consent of Congress. This, of course, runs against the general logic of the Constitution -- that no one should have power to act unilaterally. Nevertheless, Congress often gives the President considerable leeway in implementing and administering federal law and programs. Sometimes, Congress cannot agree exactly how to implement a law or program. In effect, this leaves the decision to the federal agencies involved and the President that stands at their head. When Congress fails to spell out in detail how a law is to be executed, it leaves the door open for the President to provide those details in the form of Executive Orders. Congressional Recourse

If Congress does not like what the executive branch is doing, it has two main options. First, it may rewrite or amend a previous law, or spell it out in greater detail how the Executive Branch must act. Of course, the President has the right to veto the bill if he disagrees with it, so, in practice, a 2/3 majority is often required to override an Executive Order.

scrapper2  posted on  2013-01-11   3:10:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: scrapper2 (#22) (Edited)

http://www.thisnation.com/about.html

ThisNation.com is researched and written by Jonathan Mott, Ph.D. [sic] has taught [sic] at Brigham Young University.

Besides being associated with the staff of Brigham Young University, an org which I tend to distrust for various reasons, his goal seems to be to condition Americans to accept Unconstitutional governance. So, I'll not be considering him a credible source. No 2/3 majority is required to override an Executive Order, a phrase that is not even listed in the Constitution. The Executive Branch is not empowered to legislate anything by Executive Order. What those amount to are inter-office memos/directives. Most of them are directives in violation of the Constitution and so are unlawful "orders", as well as wrongful power-grab attempts.

Edited for spelling.

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-01-11   4:35:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: GreyLmist (#23)

EOs are being implemented whether or not they find support in the consti- stupid - so maybe, just maybe the government utilizing them and the morons following them are on a different planet where they don't have a constitution.

It seems to me that you consistently dream of living under a constitutional government. I think you'll have to move elsewhere because none exists here.

It's almost like the wife who finds her hubby in bed with another woman and he denies it saying "what're you gonna believe, me, or your lying eyes" ...

We all know he ain't supposed to be in bed with her but HE IS !

noone222  posted on  2013-01-11   4:45:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: noone222 (#24)

EOs are being implemented whether or not they find support in the consti- stupid - so maybe, just maybe the government utilizing them and the morons following them are on a different planet where they don't have a constitution.

The Constitution is our real government -- not them. That they don't adhere to it is just more evidence that those treasonous transients are ideologically-alien interlopers aligned with some other hostile and foreign system(s). As such, they should be arrested.

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-01-11   4:55:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#28. To: GreyLmist (#26)

The Constitution is our real government -- not them. That they don't adhere to it is just more evidence that those treasonous transients are ideologically-alien interlopers aligned with some other hostile and foreign system(s). As such, they should be arrested.

Shoulda, woulda, coulda ... THEY (interloping transients) WIN IN COURT BECAUSE THE LAW IS ON THEIR SIDE.

noone222  posted on  2013-01-11 04:59:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: GreyLmist (#26)

The Constitution is our real government -- not them. That they don't adhere to it is just more evidence that those treasonous transients are ideologically-alien interlopers aligned with some other hostile and foreign system(s). As such, they should be arrested.

You're standing in the midst of the system that exists in real time and every element of that system (3 branches) operate in harmony and in opposition to the constitution / common law. You can't get anyone in that system to arrest theirself because you can't get a conviction because they haven't broken THEIR SYSTEM'S LAW.

Your in their system because you found something about it that appealed to you enough that you left the republic and entered the socialist democracy. You likely found that a driver license, a bank account, a credit card, a SSN or something offered by their system was something worth your freedom.

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