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Title: Should People Wear Hats When they Pray? (Did Yeshuah wear a head covering?)
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Published: Jan 16, 2013
Author: Ed Nelson with bible passage from Paul
Post Date: 2013-01-16 15:47:48 by strepsiptera
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I am not very religious, but some recent photos got me thinking about the issue of whether one's head should be covered while praying. According to first Corinthians chapter 11, christian men should not cover their heads while praying, but christian women should cover their heads. On Covering the Head in Worship 2 I praise you for remembering me in everything and for holding to the traditions just as I passed them on to you. 3 But I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man,[a] and the head of Christ is God. 4 Every man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors his head. 5 But every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head—it is the same as having her head shaved. 6 For if a woman does not cover her head, she might as well have her hair cut off; but if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, then she should cover her head. 7 A man ought not to cover his head,[b] since he is the image and glory of God; but woman is the glory of man. 8 For man did not come from woman, but woman from man; 9 neither was man created for woman, but woman for man. 10 It is for this reason that a woman ought to have authority over her own[c] head, because of the angels. 11 Nevertheless, in the Lord woman is not independent of man, nor is man independent of woman. 12 For as woman came from man, so also man is born of woman. But everything comes from God. 13 Judge for yourselves: Is it proper for a woman to pray to God with her head uncovered? 14 Does not the very nature of things teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a disgrace to him, 15 but that if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? For long hair is given to her as a covering. 16 If anyone wants to be contentious about this, we have no other practice—nor do the churches of God. http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/? http://search=1%20Corinthians%2011&version=NIV">www.biblegateway.com/pass...inthians%2 011 &versi on=NIV I also found a website by a man named Ed Nelson claiming that there is nothing in Jewish law requiring men to cover their head at worship, and that the custom of jewish men covering their heads was borrowed from the Babylonians. He also says that, at the time Paul was writing, most Jews did not cover their heads (except in Spain). www.ed- http://nelson.com/modules...me=News&file=print&sid=22 Did Yeshuah Pray with a head Covering? Today's Jewish Practice of Head Coverings is Rabbinic, not Biblical. Most Jews today believe that a man wearing a head covering when he prays is a tradition that was embraced by the Torah. This is not the case at all. Even the best of Jewish literature teaches otherwise. Neither the Torah, the whole Tenach (Hebrew Bible) or the Talmud (fifth century A.D.) teach men to cover their head when praying. In fact, the Jewish tradition for men to cover their heads in prayer has no Hebraic or Torah root at all, but is pagan in origin. It first occurred when Jewish men in Babylonian exile adapted the pagan custom of the Babylonians to cover their heads. It is well attested that paganism, not the Bible nor pre-Babylon Hebrew teachings, taught that men should cover their heads when they make their prayers to their gods. Jews in Babylonian capitivity adapted their ways. Torah was neglected, and it took Ezra after the exile to call them back to the Torah and righteous living. The Encyclopedia Judaica, a well-respected Jewish source, states: "The covering of the head, as an expression of the fear of G-d, (yirat shammayim), and as a continuation of the Babylonian scholars was gradually endorsed by the rabbis." .... In this true context for men having head coverings, it was to show uncleanness and unworthiness before God, their unjustified state penultimately shown in the unclean (tamei) state of death. Hence, men who mourned wore hats and women covered their heads. Lepers covered their heads because of their uncleanness. And, because of their sinfulness, high priests wore a miter and the priests wore hats. They mourned for their sins and the sins of others as they were daily reminded by the practice of animal sacrifices (see Leviticus 1-5). Again Encyclopedia Judaica says: "Jewish tradition requires men to cover the head as a sign of humility before G-d, and women, as evidence of modesty before men, although the Bible does not explicitly command either men or women to cover the head." And again: "Artistic representation, such as Egyptian and Babylonian tablets and in the synagogue at Dura Europos, generally depict Israelites, (and later Jews) without head covering."
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#1. To: All (#0)
I just posted a few excerpts. Please follow link provided for complete article
On a more secular note, I found out that the custom of standing and removing headgear for the national anthem was invented by an Irish mayor of Olympia Washington in 1893. Plaque on the Hotel Bostwick, near the Pantages Theatre in Tacoma, WA. Rossell G. O’Brien is honored with the plaque above on the Hotel Bostwick, across the street from the Pantages Theatre in Tacoma. In January 1973 in the US House of Representatives, House Resolution 137 stated, “… the late Rossell G. O’Brien, former mayor of Olympia, Washington, is hereby recognized and honored for originating the custom of rising and standing with head uncovered during a rendition of the Star-Spangled Banner, the national anthem of the United States.” Rossell O’Brien was born in Dublin in 1846 and as a 16-year-old fought in the US Civil War with the Union Army’s 134th Illinois Volunteer Infantry. In 1870, he moved to Washington Territory where he served as clerk of the Supreme Court and as United States commissioner. In 1882 he organized the first National Guard in Washington Territory and was its first Commander. He served on the Olympia City Council starting in 1883 and was elected Mayor in 1891. He was also involved in the Military Order of the Loyal Legion, an organization of Civil War veterans. At a meeting in Tacoma’s Bostwick Hotel October 18 1893, he proposed a motion that all should stand and remove their hats during the playing of the Star-Spangled Banner. The motion was unanimously adopted, and within two years, had also been adopted nationally by the Loyal Legion which promoted the custom nationwide. O’Brien died in 1914 and is buried in Oakland, California.
Let's hope those hats are not made of tinfoil. ROTFLMAO! "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
Ordinarily, people are supposed to remove their hats in court, too, but in my area a Jewish lawyer gets to keep his yarmulke on with no reprimand about it. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Speaking of the very least of my worries. Don't support beanie wearers. “The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken I dont think God gives a crap what we wear, on our heads or otherwise.
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#3. To: strepsiptera (#0)
Should People Wear Hats When they Pray?
#4. To: strepsiptera (#2)
On a more secular note, I found out that the custom of standing and removing headgear for the national anthem was invented by an Irish mayor of Olympia Washington in 1893.
#5. To: strepsiptera (#0)
#6. To: strepsiptera, farmfriend (#0)
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He is God for goodness sake, and beyond all these silly human ideas.
I belong to a Christian-nudist church, I dont cover anything when I pray.
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#7. To: Armadillo, strepsiptera (#6)
we are also told to pray without ceasing. there is no way I'm walking around with something on my head all day. I think God is more concerned with what is in your heart, not what is on your head.
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#8. To: strepsiptera (#0)
Does that apply to guys who wear toupe's, cuz if it does, I know of at least one pious asshole who's going strait to heyell.
Don't blame me. I didn't vote.
#9. To: farmfriend (#7)
Uncovering the head especially when coming in from outdoors is a long standing chivalric and European custom. It signifies respect, in particular when you are a guest in a house. (Headgear, be it a hat or a helmet, is protection from a potential assault. So removing your hat when entering another's home is a gesture of trust.) Europeans consider it very rude not to remove your hat when entering a house in much the same way shoes are removed in the Middle East and the Far East. Our military observes much the same tradition. To each his own. Nothing BTW convinces me of the human authorship of much of Scripture than the endless ruminations of that romanizer, Paul.
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#10. To: strepsiptera (#0)
In the New Testament church there was no teaching of any Apostles to the Gentiles that they were to have their women heads covered in the assembly. Some Jewish custom were for the married women to be covered, to represent publicly "she`s a married woman, or for all women to represent her place to man in worship. This was a jewish custom, not a commandment from the law. Is the Apostle Paul showing what is the significance of the woman`s hair thats on her head or a cloth wrap covering on her head? The woman's hair is important and not a cloth, blanket, robe, or any added on thing to her hair and head. The woman's hair is her covering, I.Cor11:15. But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering. Pauls says it's the woman's hair thats her covering,not a cloth covering. Many churches practice this error of falsely teaching the women that they need something on top of their heads or her head need to be covered. If God wanted women to have a covering over her hair in public or in worship temples why then is Paul speaking about the "length" of a woman`s hair, and that it should be long and not be shaved, meaning permitted to grow and not be cut. If she has on a covering of cloth , no one will know if her hair is long or short, cause it wont be able to be seen by men or angels, so it makes no sence to tell her to grow long hair ,and so she can keep it covered up. When, finally if you read verse #16 it clearly says "we (Apostles)have no such custom,neither the churches of God." Which means no commandment by Christ ,that Gentile women or Jewish women must have their hair or head covered up in public worship, to pray or to prophesy.
#11. To: strepsiptera (#0)
Complete nonsense.
We should all be livid. Stop acting like docile, mentally castrated pussies and grow a pair. It's time to get in their face. Why should we speak in hushed tones and act all polite when we are being metaphorically raped every day?
#12. To: strepsiptera (#0)
Yes. Yes they should. They should wear Dunce caps Should People Wear Hats When they Pray?
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