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Title: Am I allowed to keep livestock that wanders into my yard?
Source: bemusement
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Published: Jan 17, 2013
Author: Dakmar
Post Date: 2013-01-17 20:00:25 by Dakmar
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Views: 503
Comments: 31

Chickens yet! The damned things wander all over the neighborhood, crowing at the most ungodly hours and occasionally attacking small dogs. The noise would wake even the wealthiest music critic. Am I within my rights to eat them if they are on my property?
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#1. To: Dakmar (#0)
No.

Shoonra posted on 2013-01-17 20:08:19 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2. To: Shoonra (#1)
What are you going to do about it if I decide to grill one up, Shoonra?
"I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it." - William S Burroughs
Dakmar posted on 2013-01-17 20:14:28 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#3. To: Shoonra (#1)
Since we have you here online, tell me, what is the correct way to deal with a flock of chickens allowed to roam around a suburban neighborhood? Call animal control? Like maybe the 37th call will be a charm? Wait until the flock starts attacking pets? Oops, too late.
The owners have been warned, several times.
BBQ seems the best solution.
"I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it." - William S Burroughs
Dakmar posted on 2013-01-17 20:23:04 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#4. To: Dakmar (#3)
If the owners have been warned and do nothing to restrain their chickens, then start grilling them. In Indiana, you can kill a dog/cat that has wandered onto your property.

ratcat posted on 2013-01-17 21:46:40 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#5. To: Dakmar (#3)
Either D-Con rat poison or a pellet gun should do the trick.
Don't blame me. I didn't vote.
Obnoxicated posted on 2013-01-17 22:10:29 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#6. To: Dakmar (#0)
Dak, you can google the livestock laws in your state. They're pretty clear. Usually you can take the offending animals into your possession until such time as damages are rendered. Often the law says that you've got to feed them and not abuse them.
'Course that's kind of probelmatic in the case of chickens. You might be kinda low on chicken feed at the moment and where the hell you gonna keep them?
It might teach your stupid neighbors a lesson if you invited them over some time for a little "barbeque."
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randge posted on 2013-01-17 22:11:43 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#7. To: Obnoxicated (#5)
Either D-Con rat poison or a pellet gun should do the trick.

Disclaimer to lurkers: Do NOT use D-Con on yardbird marked for game.
"I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it." - William S Burroughs
Dakmar posted on 2013-01-17 22:14:58 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#8. To: randge (#6)
You might be kinda low on chicken feed at the moment and where the hell you gonna keep them?

That is a problem. Maybe I'll try the mayor's action hotline.
"I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it." - William S Burroughs
Dakmar posted on 2013-01-17 22:17:28 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#9. To: Dakmar (#0)
When I lived in a middle-class neighborhood in L.A., HUD would deliberately put in indigent people to rent houses and within those houses you'd see a barnyard of chickens, pigs, and goats which would sometimes get loose. There are city ordinances that ban this in the neighborhood. You need to inquire to your city council members on what city ordinance it is that your neighbor has broken. I believe you can take them to court also because those chickens are livestock animals and were not meant to be in suburban neighborhoods unless you lived within a certain block which ordinance dictated this to be permissable. I would write a formal letter to the city council or contact them and ask what can be done about this problem. They know of all the ordinances from leaf blowing motor machines runnning before 10 A.M. to livestock running free in areas where zoning prohibits this.
I feel your pain. I know because I had neighbors that had chickens and shit running all over the place and all I could say to myself is "There goes the neighborhood".

purplerose posted on 2013-01-17 23:32:50 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#10. To: purplerose (#9)
I feel your pain. I know because I had neighbors that had chickens and shit running all over the place and all I could say to myself is "There goes the neighborhood".

That's what Fred Sanford said when the Puerto Ricans moved into his hood. ahaha.

"It is the habit of unhappiness to rewrite our lives and from a different beginning come to a different ending. We cling to the past and what it could have been; what we wanted, or thought we wanted, before we were taught by a broken heart that our own good intentions have little effect on the way things are."
D. W. Buffa, Breach of Trust
James Deffenbach posted on 2013-01-17 23:36:37 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#11. To: James Deffenbach (#10)
My next door neighbors have chickens, maybe half a dozen of them.
They visit my property and front porch - not a problem.

Fred Mertz posted on 2013-01-18 6:53:14 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#12. To: Fred Mertz (#11)
Well, does he let you eat some of them once in a while? LOL!

"It is the habit of unhappiness to rewrite our lives and from a different beginning come to a different ending. We cling to the past and what it could have been; what we wanted, or thought we wanted, before we were taught by a broken heart that our own good intentions have little effect on the way things are."
D. W. Buffa, Breach of Trust
James Deffenbach posted on 2013-01-18 12:16:17 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#13. To: Fred Mertz (#11)
My next door neighbors have chickens, maybe half a dozen of them.
They visit my property and front porch - not a problem.

Since this seems to be a growing problem in some residential areas, about the only logical thing for a homeowner to do is put a fence around their property. Now with the issue with chickens that can fly, residents can't really protect their property neighbors who have animals that escape and are seen walking on someone's porch and on their grass soiling it with their feces. Not to also mention the ungodly times they cackle about in the early mornings when some people like to sleep in. I can see where the complaint is here. Chickens are livestock just as goats and pigs and belong on a farm in wide open spaces and should not be in suburban residential areas. It's an issue of health hazard, quality of living and peace of mind. Same with barking dogs.

purplerose posted on 2013-01-18 14:35:54 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#14. To: Dakmar (#7)
Just an fyi here, I took this guy's chickens out for a reason. He was catching cats in cage traps and killing them. He made 4 of our cats disappear in a year's time. Two disappeared, we replaced them with two new kittens, and 4 months later, they disappeared. The last straw was when he shot our german shepherd. Fortunately he's a bad shot and hit her high across the back, opening a crease all the way across her back which took 25 staples to close and cost us $800 at the vet. There is a happy ending to this story, however. A couple weeks ago on new years eve, this guy, high on xanax, got into it with his wife. After beating her up, he whigged out and blew his own brains out in his front yard. Karma strikes again.
Don't blame me. I didn't vote.
Obnoxicated posted on 2013-01-19 1:31:34 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#15. To: purplerose, Fred Mertz (#13)
Not to also mention the ungodly times they cackle about in the early mornings when some people like to sleep in.

I get up at 5:30 am on workdays, I don't consider that sleeping in. When the rooster was out there at 3:00 am making more noise than The Who, it became a problem. Thank you for backing me up on this, purplerose, it's not like I'm just complaining because I hate poultry. Or animals, for that matter. There are hundreds of squirrels, robins, red-winged blackbirds, wrens, and even a chickenhawk in my neighborhood. I don't much like the chickenhawk, it tends to scatter the feathers (and/or fur) of its prey everywhere, but it is what it is. It is a wild bird, not someone's pet/produce. I can accept that, it irks me that I am burdened by a neighbors cash-cow.
"I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it." - William S Burroughs
Dakmar posted on 2013-01-21 17:58:54 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#16. To: Obnoxicated (#14)
Sounds like you did what you felt was necessary.
Thank goodness for a happy ending. :)
"I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it." - William S Burroughs
Dakmar posted on 2013-01-21 18:00:53 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#17. To: Dakmar (#15)
Yeah well, there's the classic problem. Folks abuse their liberties and disregard their neighbor's welfare. The next thing on the plate is that the community invokes its power to coerce citizens to be civil to one another. The municipal code grows another couple of limbs.
I'm with ya Dak. I hate noise and I like my snooze time undisturbed. That's why I no longer live in the city.
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randge posted on 2013-01-21 18:09:51 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#18. To: randge (#17)
The next thing on the plate is that the community invokes its power to coerce citizens to be civil to one another.

They've done that. It's called political correctness. 'Civil' takes on absurd definitions that would not have occurred to folks 30 years ago. How different is saying "f--- y--" to every passerby, than to let loose a cacophony of live loud barnyard sounds 10 feet away from them, separated only by cheap glass and plywood.
Just a very minor point, but the chickens also tear into my landscaping, scattering mulch everywhere.
"I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it." - William S Burroughs
Dakmar posted on 2013-01-21 18:26:13 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#19. To: randge, 4 (#17)
Houston, much like the ATL in 1964, is getting the hell out to the surrounding 'burbs and rural areas.
Who wants, or needs, to live in the city?
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod posted on 2013-01-21 18:28:10 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#20. To: Lod (#19) (Edited)
Houston never had zoning laws, I've heard. And independently confirmed. And forgot about.
Lod, are you up on Houston zoning laws?
"I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it." - William S Burroughs
Dakmar posted on 2013-01-21 18:31:56 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#21. To: Dakmar (#15)
I don't dislike poultry or animals for that matter. But I do see your point on addressing the concern of this in your yard at a time when some days you are sleeping. Like I said, its a quality of life, peace of mind issue that you should not have to be dealing with.
Years ago, I had a roommate who's dog had a barking problem that would disturb our next door neighbor to the point we either had to do something about the dog, move, or wind up getting sued. When you live in the wide open country and your neighbor is about a mile away from where you're at, it's not a problem but when you live in a city or suburb and you have animals issues like what you described, neighbors have to consider zoning laws on farm animals, as well as signs that give notice on curbing their dogs. Many people now put up fences due to the problem of dogs and cats leaving behind their mess for the owner of the house to clean up after (which is not right at all).

purplerose posted on 2013-01-21 20:39:03 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#22. To: Dakmar (#20)
Dax -
Last I heard, H'town was; if you can afford to buy it, you can afford to build it.
The way that it should be everywhere.
Why let some Agenda21 (mostly zio-sympathizers) control your domain?
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod posted on 2013-01-22 20:26:53 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#23. To: Dakmar (#15)
I can accept that, it irks me that I am burdened by a neighbors cash-cow.

I don't have much experience with barnyard critters, but, I'd be willing to bet that a low powered bb rifle may discourage the visits.
As you know a Feinwerkbau Competition Air Rifle can cost over 3 Gs and at over 500 fps the pellets would kill the critters. One may as well shoot them with a single shot .22 and CB caps which are whisper quiet if the muzzle is kept inside and fired through an open door or window.
A cheepo, pump up BB rifle may not be very accurate but it could quickly send a non lethal message, and I'm betting that chickens are quick studies.

HOUNDDAWG posted on 2013-01-22 21:00:22 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#24. To: All (#21)
Years ago, I had a roommate who's dog[sic]

My mistake here: It should read as the following: Years ago, I had a roommate whose dog...
Sorry about that.

purplerose posted on 2013-01-22 22:58:09 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#25. To: Shoonra (#1)
No.

Bullshit.
Prove ownership first.
You can kill damn near what ever you want in your own yard.
Wild ants? fuck em. Stray dog? Fuck that dog. Deer eating your garden? Shoot it dead.
Wild (or tame) chickens on your property? Sorry I ran them over,shot them dead, fed them alkiseltzer, whatever, but keep em off my property as your animals tend to die on my property and it is a hassle and a burden to deal with other peoples dead animals.

Aside from killing the bird brains yourself have you considered buying a dog or if possible a fox. Certain sound emitters might work to keep them away...

Have you thought about MACE. Cheap, easy to use on calm days, A nice 20 foot stream of pepper spray will make them change their mind. Wasp and hornet foams/sprays also have distances of 10 to twenty feet.. just as good as mace.
___FIRE
titorite posted on 2013-01-23 2:15:05 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#26. To: All (#25)
use the mace.
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titorite posted on 2013-01-23 2:17:02 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#27. To: Obnoxicated (#14)
A couple weeks ago on new years eve, this guy, high on xanax, got into it with his wife. After beating her up, he whigged out and blew his own brains out in his front yard. Karma strikes again.

good. hope he suffered going out.

christine posted on 2013-01-23 10:59:51 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#28. To: Fred Mertz (#11)
Have you been hanging around the Cracker Barrel in your white van?
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Hmmmmm posted on 2013-01-23 12:10:24 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#29. To: Hmmmmm (#28)
No, that story made it big on the local news last evening. I couldn't hear the details because of the noise in the tavern. Some woman is charged with making a false report to the cops about seeing the white van.
Those chickens did a drive by on my porch yesterday. I think their population is down to about 5 now - used to be a dozen of them. Not sure if wild animals or hungry neighbors reduced their numbers.

Fred Mertz posted on 2013-01-23 12:17:32 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#30. To: titorite (#25)
You can kill damn near what ever you want in your own yard.

The next door neighbor kid crosses my yard to get to his home after the school bus drops him off at the end of our road. How many feet or inches should I lead him if his pace is 2.5 mph at a distance of 40 feet?

Fred Mertz posted on 2013-01-23 12:21:33 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#31. To: Fred Mertz (#30)
That depends, is he a broiler or only suitable for stewing?
"I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it." - William S Burroughs
Dakmar posted on 2013-01-23 16:57:15 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
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