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Title: US army accidentally killed civilians
Source: Reuters
URL Source: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20051121/ts_nm/iraq_baquba_dc
Published: Nov 21, 2005
Author: Reuters
Post Date: 2005-11-21 08:59:30 by Flintlock
Keywords: accidentally, civilians, killed
Views: 466
Comments: 8

BAQUBA, Iraq (Reuters) - U.S. troops opened fire on a crowded minivan north of Baghdad on Monday, fearing a car bomb attack, and killed at least three members of the same family, including a child, the U.S. military and survivors said.

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"They are all children. They are not terrorists," shouted a relative. "Look at the children," he said as a morgue official carried a small dead child into a refrigeration room.

USA Scores another 3 points.

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#3. To: Flintlock (#0)

General Odom's List

1)Argument: Withdrawal would incite civil war.

Odom: Civil war is already happening.

2) Argument:World would not support withdrawal.

Odom: The world would rally behind withdrawal.

3) Argument: Withdrawal emboldens insurgency.

Odom: Occupation emboldens insurgency far more than withdrawal would.

4) Argument: Withdrawal would create a terrorist haven.

Odom: Iraq is worse than a haven now, it's a training ground for terrorists.

5) Argument: Withdrawal invites Iranian influence.

Odom: Occupation has already increases Iranian influence.

6) Argument: Withdrawal would spread unrest to other nations.

Odom: Staying would cause the same unrest.

7) Argument: Withdrawal would cause more Sunni/Shiite clashes.

Odom: More clashes will be prompted if we stay.

8) Argument: The Iraqi military will be unprepared if we leave now.

Odom: Disloyalty by the Iraqi military is the reason they are not prepared.

9) Argument: Withdrawal dishonors the troops there now and those who have died or been wounded.

Odom: Many troops already question the war.

robin  posted on  2005-11-21   9:09:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

3) Argument: Withdrawal emboldens insurgency.

Odom: Occupation emboldens insurgency far more than withdrawal would.

I've never understood #3 very much. Who cares if they're emboldened? Even if they are, if we're not in Iraq, what's it matter? Iraqi insurgents probably aren't going to be able to follow our troops into the US. I remember reading GEN Odom's article in the past, and there's very little more that can be said, besides that he's right.

I'm curious why the Army is admitting that they shot up a van full of people at this point. It's not like this is the first time it's happened, I remember in 2003 a Bradley shot up a van full of people.

historian1944  posted on  2005-11-21   9:20:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#5. To: historian1944 (#4)

I'm curious why the Army is admitting that they shot up a van full of people at this point. It's not like this is the first time it's happened, I remember in 2003 a Bradley shot up a van full of people.

Maybe a reporter witnessed this incident, so the Pentagon had no choice but to be open about it.

How many reporters and photographers have been killed thus far, 61+?

robin  posted on  2005-11-21 09:24:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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