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Title: Former pilot and 9/11 conspiracy theorist shoots and kills 2 teen children, then himself
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Xeni Jardin at 6:41 pm Mon, Feb 4 Slaying victims Alex and Macaila Marshall with their father, Phillip Marshall. The apparent murder-suicide was discovered at the family home in an upscale gated golfing community in Murphys, California. According to local news reports, teen friends of Alex Marshall, 17 (Facebook, Twitter, Instagram), and Macaila Marshall (Facebook, Twitter, Instagram), 14, noticed the siblings had not been active via text or social media updates since Thursday and went by the house on Saturday to check on them. The last posts made by either child to Instagram and Facebook were dated Thursday night. The friends told police that when they arrived, they found Phillip Marshall, 54, "lying in a pool of blood inside the home," his 9mm Glock nearby. Deputies believe the children were shot while sleeping on a couch. The family dog was found shot to death in a nearby bedroom. Marshall's estranged wife Sean, the children's mother, was out of the country at the time. Phillip Marshall has been identified as a former pilot for Eastern and United airlines. He self-published a number of books, including at least two about his 9/11 conspiracy theories: "The Big Bamboozle" (February 9, 2012) and "False Flag 911: How Bush, Cheney and the Saudis Created the Post-911 World" (July 29, 2008). A previous novel published in 2003, "Lakefront Airport, New Orleans," detailed his claimed experience as a pilot for the US during Iran/Contra. In his books and his social media bios (including multiple Facebook accounts, his Twitter account and a Tumblr), he claims to have served as a contract pilot for the CIA's Special Activities Division during the Iran-Contra affair, flying shipments to and from Nicaragua. He appeared on "outsider truth" shows like Coast to Coast to promote the theories in his books that 9/11 was an "inside job," the result of a plot between the US government and the Saudis. From his author bio on Createspace.com, Amazon.com's self-publishing service: Beginning with his role in the 1980s as a Learjet captain first as part of a Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) sting on Pablo Escobar, and later in the covert arming of the Nicaraguan Contras, Marshall has studied and written 30-years worth of covert government special activities and the revolving door of Wall Street tricksters, media moguls, and their well funded politicians. I am unable to confirm the veracity of the claims in his self-authored bio at this time. A Facebook page for "The Big Bamboozle" showed posts as recent as January 31 with titles like, "WHAT IS THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY HIDING?," "THE ARAB WORLD KNOWS THE RAID WAS A HOAX," and posts about the Bin Laden assassination having been faked. "PICTURES PAINT A THOUSAND WORDS," read one such Facebook post from Marshall about photographs of the assassinated Al Qaeda leader. "Since bin Laden died in 2001, these would be "alleged" photos of bin Laden. Give us a break." He once also pitched those theories to a television news journalist with whom this blogger is acquainted. A young friend of the two slain teens with whom this blogger is personally acquainted described them as "sweet, funny, lively, good kids." A tweet from Macaila on January 25: Would it be wrong if I threw my cat with his claws retracted at my dads face right now?... #pissoff— Macaila Marshall (@MacailaMarshall) January 25, 2013 Photos from the siblings' Instagram feeds suggest that they were outgoing, well-liked by friends, and loved one another very much. In one, Macaila is in the hospital after a "golf cart accident," with her father sitting in the background. In the last self-portrait she posted on January 28, her brother blows a hair dryer at her while she goofs in the mirror. "I pretty much just wanted to say how great of a big brother you are," Macaila writes to her brother in another Instagram caption, "I love you so much!" A family photo Instagrammed by Alex shows the boy at a much younger age. In it, he is helping his father mow the lawn with a toy lawnmower. Macaila Marshall, from her Facebook profile. Poster Comment: L.A. Times - Two teens killed by father in apparent murder-suicide, officials sayFormer pilot and 9/11 conspiracy theorist shoots and kills 2 teen children, then himself
Phillip (alternately, "Philip") Marshall, 54, a career airline pilot who claimed to have once served as a contract pilot for the CIA and DEA during the Iran-Contra affair, shot and killed his two teenage children, and the family dog, then killed himself. 
Philip Marshall, a veteran airline captain and former government "special activities" contract pilot, has authored three books on Top Secret America, a group presently conducting business as the United States Intelligence Community. 
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At 1:01:23 and approx. 1:22:00 of the Coast to Coast video that noone222 posted, Philip Marshall talks about Prince Bandar Bush and funding by him through Riggs Bank. He mentions too that Bandar Bush is/was from the same hometown as alleged Flt. 77 hijacker-pilot on 9/11, Hani Hanjour. Like Philip Marshall, Bandar Bush was involved in Iran Contra. There was some discussion here about him months ago because he is/was suspected to have been assissinated; also about his nickname being Bandar Bush because of his close ties with the Bush family. [Ref. 4um Title: Bandar Bush Dead? - Total Media Blockade Bandar bin Sultan - Wikipedia During the Reagan presidency, he secured the purchase of AWACs surveillance aircraft despite opposition from the American Israel Public Affairs Committee. [7] After the United States rejected an arms order, he arranged the delivery of intermediate-range nuclear-warhead-capable missiles from China.[7] This angered the Central Intelligence Agency and the United States Department of State.[7] He was exposed for his involvement in the Iran-Contra scandal. He had arranged $32 million in Saudi financing for the Nicaraguan Contras.[3] Bandar bin Sultan returned to Saudi Arabia weeks prior to the death of King Fahd, upon which Bandar's father, Sultan bin Abdul-Aziz, became the nation's Crown Prince. It was rumored that Bandar's return was timed in order to secure a position in the new government.[14] He was succeeded as ambassador by Turki al Faisal. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
That was a very interesting part of the interview. But he claims the pilots were trained at a CIA airbase in AZ. This was interesting as well, considering what happened-- @1:44:28 "...you really don't have any security when you have so many people that have access to your personal whereabouts..." and @2:15:42 "...and then we have to push together and I'm going to dedicate-you know- maybe the next 5 years, 10 years, whatever..." Doesn't sound like someone that would shoot himself and his kids a year later, but of course lots can happen in a year. I'm guessing if he actually did shoot himself and his kids and dog, he was on SSRI antidepressants, which have been documented to cause *exactly* that kind of behavior. US National Institutes of Health: Antidepressants and Violence-problems at the Interface of Medicine & Law
{blah blah blah} WHY ARE YOU ATTEMPTING TO DERAIL THE CONVERSATION OF THE 911 TRUTH THAT WAS MURDERED BY THE STATE! PEOPLE CAN YOU SEE THE DISINFORMATIONALISTS IN SHEEPS CLOTHING YET!!!!??? Let's see. Your first post on this thread (post 11) takes a cheap shot at me, where you say "You assume too much from so little to make such grand pronouncements" in regards to me saying this was most likely a state approved hit. THEN you hurl insults at scrapper because he's basically agreeing with you, saying that the location wasn't upscale as described in the article. And THEN you pull me and Ricky into your flame fest, saying that we are guilty of acting "bad". Are you schizo or something, or just being an ass as usual? I can't see how people who are sworn to protect and serve the Constitution of the United States could let that assassination slide, along with all the other highly obvious false "suicides". you've got to pick up every stitch...
"I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it." - William S Burroughs
Hippies, sunbeams, rabbits... "I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it." - William S Burroughs
When I first read anything from William Cooper he claimed that he worked for Naval Intelligence during the Vietnam war and had viewed documents proving alien encounters with government officials. He referred to the Majestic-12 documents as Majesty-12, not Majestic. It was still MJ-12 though. He went on in later years to other versions of what he had done in Naval Intelligence. In the beginning though he claimed that we had bases on the Moon and on Mars. I don't know which parts of his stories were true, or had some amount of truth. Till the "boys in blue" or whatever other color they choose to wear while claiming to "enforce the law" decide to grow a pair and go after the real bad guys, instead of busting teenagers for tobacco possession and shooting up their houses and killing their pets just because they were scared for their lives, I see them mostly as vermin. Hell, did you see what the brave boys over in LA did recently? They shot up two cars that simply LOOKED like that guy's car, the guy who killed a couple of cops the other day. Two innocent people were injured, one seriously. And they want to take OUR guns away? Thanks for your reply. He said something in the video about bin Laden being depicted as both tall and shorter. Depending on what article was being referenced, so was Ahmad Shah Massoud, aka the Lion of Panjshir, said to have been assassinated on 9-9-2001. If his name was spelled one way in a websearch, he was decribed as unusually tall. Spelled another way, he was described as short.
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Warren Buffett still likes Omaha. “The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken That's the way it is in CA. Ocean and proximity to ocean is everything. While America has been preoccupied with the latest "gun show" (Dorner) in Commie gun-grabber Feinstein's state of California: Map pic at Kirwan article: Questioning America Without Constitutional-Law [Excerpts] Americans now face the same kind of fascistically lawless conditions, a full one-hundred miles BEFORE Americans can even get to a U.S. Border. This effectively reduces the size of the country and intensifies a new war-zone in this 100-mile-wide zone. The new LAWLESS American cities are NO LONGER AMERICAN CITIES. What this change means has not yet dawned on the public. This was designed to give these traitors a protected-zone to supposedly bring in troops (UN-NATO or otherwise), to do what they cannot do without this CRIMINALLY-ENFORCED-TREASON. This way they can have full control of all the ports and all the major cities near what used to be the borders of the United States. The United States Constitutional Free-Zone Anchorage, Juno, Seattle, Tacoma, Portland, Salem, Eugene Medford, Eureka, Redding, Sacramento, Stockton, San Francisco, San Jose, Salinas, Fresno, Bakersfield, Oxnard, Los Angeles, Long Beach, (Except for the Port of Long Beach that belongs to Red China)* Riverside, Oceanside, San Diego, Honolulu, Hilo, Yuma, Tucson, Serra Vista, Los Cruces, El Paso, Alpine, Del Rio, Laredo, San Antonia, McAllen, Brownsville, Corpus Christi, Victoria, Houston, Beaumont, Lafayette, Baton Rouge, New Orleans, Mobil, Duluth, Tallahassee, Tampa, St. Petersburg, Cape Coral, Miami, Ft. Lauderdale, West Palm Beach, Palm Bay, Orlando, Gainesville, Jacksonville, Valdosta, Savannah, Augusta, Charleston, Columbia, Wilmington, Fayetteville, Raleigh, Greenville, Virginia Beach, Lynchburg, Virginia Beach, Norfolk, Richmond, Washington D.C. Dover, Baltimore, Philadelphia, New York, Allentown, Bridgeport, Hartford, Providence, Boston, Manchester, Portland, Bangor, Syracuse, Rochester, Buffalo, Erie, Cleveland, Akron, Pittsburg, Columbus, Toledo, Detroit, Traverse City, Grand Rapids, Fort Wayne, Chicago, Milwaukee, Sheboygan, Green Bay, Marquette, Duluth, Grand Forks, Minot, Glasgow, Havre, Shelby, Spokane. So what’s this all about? “According to this breaking story from Wired, the Department of Homeland Security's 'Watchdog' has given the OK for the 'suspicionless' seizure of electronic devices along the borders of America. According to the map above from the ACLU, this includes a 100 mile perimeter along the entire border of the United States of America. First, read this from Wired then take a look at the ACLU map. DHS Watchdog OKs 'Suspicionless' Seizure of Electronic Devices Along Border Threat Level - Wired.com ============ Then they came for the computers in all of our border states. But I didn't speak up yet because I'm not a computer. I'm a poster and that's the news. Edited sentence 1 for spelling. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
This bit of speculation hasn't been posted yet and it's quite interesting: Former airline pilot Phillip (alternately, “Philip”) Marshall spent a great deal of time around Santa Barbara last year preparing for the release of his controversial 9/11 conspiracy book “The Big Bamboozle: 9/11 and the War on Terror.” During the editing and pre-marketing process of Marshall’s book, he expressed some degree of paranoia because the nonfiction work accused the George W. Bush administration of being in cahoots with the Saudi intelligence community in training the hijackers who died in the planes used in the attacks. “Think about this,” Marshall said last year in a written statement, “The official version about some ghost (Osama bin Laden) in some cave on the other side of the world defeating our entire military establishment on U.S. soil is absolutely preposterous.” Marshall went on to say: “The true reason the attack was successful is because of an inside military stand-down and a coordinated training operation that prepared the hijackers to fly heavy commercial airliners. We have dozens of FBI documents to prove that this flight training was conducted California, Florida and Arizona in the 18 months leading up to the attack.” The veteran pilot confided that he was concerned about his 10-year, independent 9/11 study and most recent book since they pointed to the Saudis and the Bush intelligence community as the executioners of the attack that defeated all U.S. military defenses on Sept. 11, 2001. Marshall said he knew his book might cause some people to take issue with him... "...“After an exhaustive 10-year study of this lethal attack that used Boeing airliners filled with passengers and fellow crew members as guided missiles, I am 100 percent convinced that a covert team of Saudi intelligence agents was the source of logistical, financial and tactical resources that directed essential flight training to the 9/11 hijackers for 18 months before the attack,” Marshall wrote. “This conclusion was determined six years ago and all subsequent evidence has only served to confirm this conclusion.” On March 1, two former U.S. senators, who headed separate 9/11 federal investigations, also raised the possibility of Saudi involvement in the attacks that killed 3,000 people and spurred the global War on Terror. In sworn statements that seem likely to reignite the debate, former senators Bob Graham and Bob Kerrey, who saw top-secret information on the Saudis’ activities, said they believe that the Saudi government played a direct role in the terrorist attacks. “I am convinced that there was a direct line between at least some of the terrorists who carried out the Sept. 11 attacks and the government of Saudi Arabia,” former Senator Bob Graham said in an affidavit filed as part of a lawsuit brought against the Saudi government and dozens of institutions in the country by families of 9/11 victims and others. Graham headed a 2002 joint congressional inquiry into the attacks and has claimed he was muzzled into silence about his committee’s findings in 2002 by former Vice President Dick Cheney and other top members of the Bush intelligence community.... Comments Phil's Friend February 7, 2013 at 2:24 pm # I was a lifelong friend of Mr. Marshall, we went to High School together in Mandeville La. We have been in contact over the years and he is the last person to commit suicide much less kill the children he adored. Right now it is being spun that he was despondent over his divorce or money problems even bringing up the altercation he had with his wife’s sister to show he was somehow unbalanced.. He was separated from his wife for years and if I am correct his divorce was finalized. He never wore a wedding ring and dated other women. His exwife lived in Murphys away from the subdivision he lived in. They found his wedding ring sitting on top of the bullets for the glock making it look like he took it off before he shot his kids and himself. To me this is the tell. This is obviously a hit. Also he was on medical disability from United and was not hurting for money. I was last with him in late December to watch a Saints game with him at my home and he was great. He was telling me that I would not believe what would be in his next book concerning 9/11. I guess he was right. The fool that killed this man and his kids obviously did not know him very well. Em18966 February 7, 2013 at 8:30 pm # Watch your back, Phil’s friend, if you know too much. If you feel safe doing so, I’d personally appreciate hearing info not spun by the mainstream media on this story, because it obviously doesn’t add up…why shoot the dog? That is the biggest clincher for me. The only reason for the shooter to shoot the dog would be if the shooter was not familiar with the dog, which screams of a hit… The Big Bamboozle February 7, 2013 at 8:39 pm # Hello, I am sorry for our mutual friends loss Could you please contact me to discuss this further. This is a secure way of emailing me https://privacybox.de/thebigbamboozle.msg Phil's Friend February 8, 2013 at 10:47 am # Before this tragedy happened I was also one of those who followed the principle of “Occams Razor” in that the simplest explanation is the most accurate. At face value this looks like a murder-suicide. However those that really knew this man know that there is more to this story. He had been separated from his wife for several years and he was trying to help her get a import business going which is why she was out of touch in Turkey. She was using his flight privleges as a United pilot to fly to Turkey at litlle or no cost. He had been supporting herduring this separation period and saw this as a way for her to get on her feet be independent so he would not have to continually support her. Before their marriage she was a skilled buyer for Nordstrom and he was encouraging her to use this skill. Also I noticed in one of the comments that “the final control over the wife he lost control over”. Again anyone that knew this man would know that the very last thing he cared was having control over people. He was a loving parent that was guiding his kids never controlling. He was an accomplished pilot who was joe cool the one you want flying your plane because he would not get excited in emergency situations. As for the ring on the bullets that I mentioned above this was told to Phil’s family by the sheriffs office. To them it looks like murder suicide. I unfortunately had to tell my young daughter about this and it was very sad. When I told her about the ring on the bullets even she realized that he never wore his ring. She last saw Phil with his wife when she was about 3 or 4 she is now 11. Because of human nature being what it is I do not believe this will be further investigated. Also I will not be making any motions for a investigation of this also. I believe he was killed and maybe it was for the 9/11 research he was doing. I am not willing to put my family or myself in harms way. Sorry but I also will not be contacting anyone online about this for the same reason. I could go on and on about why he did not do this. In the end I have lost a lifelong friend who was a really great guy. Unfortunately people will not know this. I will miss him. Rino February 8, 2013 at 11:43 am # I’m sorry for your loss Phil’s friend. I think not meeting anyone or contacting anyone or emailing anyone even ‘securely’ is a very smart decision on your part!!! Being Phil’s friend someone may be threatened by you or your knowledge about Phil or about you going to the Media and talking about Phil, about stuff and all what you know about his family. For that reason you may also end up on an ‘accident’ or ‘murder suicide’ with your whole family. Personally, I’d never discuss Phil with anyone anywhere, period! But especially strangers and when I hear a talk about Phil, I’d just listen from afar without contributing. If I were you, I would not introduce myself to anyone as Phil’s friend or let anyone know about me because you really don’t know who is who. I’ll not be surprised if the Coroner who will perform their autopsy ends up dead with a sudden illness, car accident or suicide. I’d be careful about talking too much online too, Especially one on one or on ‘private/secure’ emails, beware because knowledge can be dangerous!!!
In an interview that Phil did with Coast 2 Coast's John B. Wells, Marshall discussed his sadness over a fellow pilot's death on 9-11 at Shanksville, PA. This and other statements regarding his 9-11 investigation and book wouldn't lead one to perceive the "suicide and murder" of his children, dog and himself in his future. I think they were all murdered. We should all be livid. Stop acting like docile, mentally castrated pussies and grow a pair. It's time to get in their face. Why should we speak in hushed tones and act all polite when we are being raped every day?
Yes, I already posted a similar article on this subject 02/09. As you note, there did not get much interest because the Dorner story was front stage.
Excellent, thank you and welcome! :) Very interesting and good to see this hasn't been forgotten. I doubt they killed him over his 9/11 musings. None of that hasn't been discussed over and over again by countless others and I don't think he was all that accurate about his suspicions anyway. I mean, it wasn't the Saudis and even if it was it's not like he's the one who started that rumour. But yeah, the thing about the dog. And the ring. Crazy. Interesting information from those claiming to be close friends of his. I'd like to read it if you can point me to the thread. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Thanks. Graham headed a 2002 joint congressional inquiry into the attacks and has claimed he was muzzled into silence about his committee’s findings in 2002 by former Vice President Dick Cheney and other top members of the Bush intelligence community.... I've never done any reading about that specifically (I'm going to now), but what if that is true? Was the *Senator* "muzzled"? And if he was, why isn't this discussed more? All this is, of course, complicated by the fact that there are no real journalists or reporters any more. What if Phillip Marshall had documents no one else has? If Phillip Marshall was a threat does the NDAA authorize his assassination? The more reading I do about this case the more questions arise.
What if Phillip Marshall had documents no one else has? If Phillip Marshall was a threat does the NDAA authorize his assassination? The more reading I do about this case the more questions arise. Looking forward to hearing more about this. In that interview: @1:44:28 "...you really don't have any security when you have so many people that have access to your personal whereabouts..." and @2:15:42 "...and then we have to push together and I'm going to dedicate-you know- maybe the next 5 years, 10 years, whatever..."
Clearly an inconvenient individual.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken and @2:15:42 "...and then we have to push together and I'm going to dedicate-you know- maybe the next 5 years, 10 years, whatever..." Having listened to both interviews and being reminded by your post reinforces my opinion that he and his family were murdered in cold blood. We should all be livid. Stop acting like docile, mentally castrated pussies and grow a pair. It's time to get in their face. Why should we speak in hushed tones and act all polite when we are being raped every day?
I posted it on Sunday night - 02/10 ( I mis-remembered the date). It was the same Wired original source as you posted today. freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/re....cgi?ArtNum=153087&Disp=0 Title: DHS Watchdog OKs ‘Suspicionless’ Seizure of Electronic Devices Along Border Source: Wired 25 views, 0 comments *I take no personal offense at O responses. I will continue to post articles/ my opinions on 4um when I can, because christine gives us all a wonderful gift ( rare these days when political correctness reigns supreme)- an non judgmental platform @ 4um to exercise our free speech rights.*
Amen. “The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken “Think about this,” Marshall said last year in a written statement, “The official version about some ghost (Osama bin Laden) in some cave on the other side of the world defeating our entire military establishment on U.S. soil is absolutely preposterous.” Agreed. [sic] I am 100 percent convinced that a covert team of Saudi intelligence agents was the source of logistical, financial and tactical resources that directed essential flight training to the 9/11 hijackers for 18 months before the attack,” Marshall wrote. References: 2. Coast to Coast Video of Interview with Philip Marshall at Post #39 Behind 9/11 : Whistleblowers Susan Lindhauer & Philip Marshall 02.11.2012 1) 0:38:12-0:38:34 - Hijackers came to LA Jan 15, 2000 and were tracked by FBI for 18 months, most of that time during the last year of Clinton's administration. 2) 1:09:54-1:10:56 - Marshall's info connections that remain in the spook world; has to be very careful about [discussing] that 3) 1:10:57-1:11:46 - secretive airbase: lucrative parts market; various other points of interest through 1:20:42. 4) 2:16:40-2:17:09 - speaks highly of Obama and Holder I get the impression at the 4th listed timestamp coordinates above that Marshall was a Democrat. Also, from his seeming Clinton-amnesia re: the majority of the 18 month period he stresses more than once concerning FBI tracking of the alleged hijackers from their January 15, 2000 point of entry here, referenced at the 1st of the listed timestamp coordinates. The 2nd of the listed timestamp coordinates is where I think he may have been targeted with a hit. Of course, he may have had other info that whoever wanted to squelch but I haven't seen or heard anything highly controversial from him about 9/11. Of particular interest to me, as a 9/11 No Planer, is the lucrative plane parts market info at the 3rd listed timestamp coordinates. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
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Just reading some of the updates at santabarbaravew.com: Phils friend February 9, 2013 at 8:16 pm # Went to memorial for kids today. We had a separate one for Phil afterward. No one: neighbors, family or friends believe he did this. Sorry you folks did not get a chance to know him. From what I understand the investigation is ongoing.j ********************************************** rainbowsally February 10, 2013 at 2:36 am # What the American people (and the people of Calaveras County) deserve are honest, intelligent answers. 1. Did the detectives that offered the “sleeping on a couch” theory comment on an active investigation? If not what were they doing there. 2. Were they “local” deputies? 3. What are the names, specifically, of the deputies that advanced the ‘sleeping on a couch’ theory? The theory: 4. Can the coroner comment on an active investigation? The coroner debunked the deputies’ theory, offering new one. Says it’s a good question as to whether whether or not they may have been drugged because they “appear to have been sleeping”. 5. How does the coroner determine whether or not a corpse had been sleeping before being killed and also acknowledge that a 9 mm glock firing may have awakened one or the other of them? The coroner apparently has been able to dial in the time of death. How does one dial in the time of waking up from a gun shot? In fact as long as we appear to be struggling to make a little sense here, who was most likely killed first, the dog or the people? 6. Are they doing ballistics tests on the bullets fired? Do the bullets in the victims (possibly including the dad) match the weapon found in the house? 7. Will this investigation be handled competently? If the guy looking for work down at EDD can do a better job, why not save a few bucks and replace those who can’t. 8. According to this article, Calloway said the Sheriffs themselves at least at one point had a question as to whether or not this was a triple murder (after the initial deputies’ theory). So, did the Sheriffs call Calloway to ask her opinion on whether this was a murder-suicide or a triple murder or did they not? *********************************** john February 10, 2013 at 1:06 pm # I ask anyone who has the moral fortitude and inner strength to come forward to his defense. If he and his children were murdered, please do not let his/their death be in vain. Please. *********************************** DS Holter February 11, 2013 at 12:56 am # He was on C2C a few weeks before this hit on he and his family. He said then that if anything happened to him, it was not a suicide. He made it very clear *(This should be easy enough to confirm) ********************************** there is more-
Cool nic and great homepage. Glad you joined us here. “The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken This is indeed TREASON. These bums have no authority to do this to anyone. It would be right and just to resist them to the fullest capacity that we are able. ;) "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
I really like the vid on your homepage. I've said all along that it is the psychotropic drugs that the shrinks give to the kids that are to blame for the school shootings. "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
Thanks for the directions. Left a note there. Indeed it is a very wonderful gift. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
I don't understand? Why aren't people trying to arrest the sheriff and his deputies? Seriously. They are covering up a murder. That means they are guilty themselves for all we know they pulled the trigger... maybe they didn't one thing is for sure, they did not investigate this crime properly. Go to there homes, intercept them as they drop off their kids to school, pick them up at the barber BUT ARREST THE LEOs that cover up this crime by claiming murder. Arrest them. _______ Their are only two kinds of americans left in the USA those opposed to the tyranny and those that are wrong. Resist propaganda, Support strict constitutional adherence!
This is indeed TREASON. These bums have no authority to do this to anyone. It would be right and just to resist them to the fullest capacity that we are able. ;) I fully agree and think we have more than enough reasons to remove America's Constitution and our government from the grip of the Treasonous -- similar to how they manuever to remove our rights from us only quicker and more ethically by deeming them Secessionists. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
There is afoot, a new Secessionist movement. I figure, though, that it will go down to defeat. The only way to fight them is by a guerilla war. This would be tough to do, but remember, they did it in Red Dawn, the movie, and were successful. ;) "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
There's no reason for Patriots to secede. It's our nation and our Constitution, not the plunder of the Treasonous. They have seceded from our Constitutional Republic and system of government.
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Second hour of Phillip Marshall on Coast 2 Coast 9/9/12 Poor audio quality, missing first hour. At least the date is established. Nothing really new here, just posting for the record. I have locked facebook out of my computer (127.0.0.1) so I can't research the pages Captain Marshall talks about, maybe someone here is a member and can see what is there. Also, now that the date of the 2nd interview is known, maybe someone can find the first hour. Just trying to clarify if Phillip Marshall said what was posted in #112 above: He was on C2C a few weeks before this hit on he and his family. He said then that if anything happened to him, it was not a suicide. He made it very clear @42:25 Wells: "Say, how much exposure are you and I pulling right now by talking about this? Well Phillip- you were a great American. You tried. Some of us will try not to let you down Here is the link to the page with the .mp3 Audio: Phillip Marshall (pilot) on Coast to Coast on 09/09/12 Save it to disk- we must not let this mans words go down the rathole Edit: the correct date of the interview is 9/8/12. It's available at the Coast 2 Coast website behind a pay wall. Can't buy it now.
Audio: Phillip Marshall (pilot) on Coast to Coast on 09/09/12 Save it to disk- we must not let this mans words go down the rathole Edit: the correct date of the interview is 9/8/12. It's available at the Coast 2 Coast website behind a pay wall. Can't buy it now. Thanks for your efforts. Followed the disc.yourwebapps.com link above that you posted to the bottom of the article there: Then from that link to the top of the page at apfn.org for the mp3 audio file re: the 2nd hour of Phillip Marshall on Coast 2 Coast 9/8/12: Synopsis at coasttocoastam.com on the first hour of that Philip Marshall interview (with access there to both segments for paid memberships): 9-11 Attack & Terrorism Threats - Shows - Coast to Coast AM Date: 09-08-12 Host: John B. Wells Guests: Robert Gleason, Philip Marshall He spoke about the extraordinary skill required to pilot a Boeing 757 at high speeds at low altitude, and to navigate the aircraft to a single building from 270 miles away (distance when hijackers took over the plane). Marshall said he attempted the Washington DC attack himself in a simulator and, despite his 20 years of experience flying Boeing airliners and 15,000 hours of flight time, it took him four tries to hit the Pentagon. "To suggest that this was the first time that guy had ever flown a 757 is absolutely impossible," he stressed. According to Marshall, the 9/11 hijackers were tailed by the FBI from the moment they landed in Los Angeles on January 12, 2000. They learned to fly on small aircraft and simulators then, after George W. Bush became president, started disappearing into the Arizona desert for days at a time, he disclosed. Marshall believes the hijackers were trained at a CIA-operated airport, Pinal Air Park, by a Saudi group from an aviation charter that operated Boeing aircraft. He connected the people in charge of Pinal to Wall Street and ultimately to Dick Cheney, and suggested that President Bush knew enough not to scramble fighters to intercept the hijackers. Edited for spacing. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Lod says that only Texas can legally secede because it is written into their Constitution. I do see your point, though. It IS our government and we should take it back from the plundering banksters who have stolen it from us. ;) "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
finally something new worth posting- "rainbowsally", posting at santabarbaraview.com has dug up some stuff at waynemadsenreport.com that sits behind a pay wall- here's an excerpt: Friends said Marshall was looking for more seclusion. Marshall, who believed that the Bush family, allied with Saudi and neo-conservative interests, pulled off the 9/11 attack to engineer a government coup d'etat, was working on a fourth book that promised to reveal some new blockbuster information. Neighbors and friends of Marshall contradicted a number of Calaveras County Sheriff's Department findings about what they quickly concluded was a murder-suicide by a crazed killer. Furthermore, one close professional colleague of Marshall believed a federal "black ops" team prevailed upon the Sheriff's Department to come up with the rapid murder-suicide explanation. WMR learned from a local media source in Calaveras County that the Sheriff Gary Kuntz is dragging his feet on providing local newspapers with two critical reports: the toxicological report on Marshall's and his son's and daughter's bodies and the GSR (Gunshot Residue) report on the bullets fired from what was reported to be Marshall's 9 mm Glock, which neighbors reported was never loaded. Marshall's body was found at the end of a long hallway leading from the unusually unlocked front door. Neighbors said that if Marshall was responding to a suspicious entry, he would have grabbed his gun from the kitchen and gone toward the door. Neighbors believe that Marshall was shot as he turned into the hallway from the kitchen, which is off the living room space where his children were found shot to death on separate portions of a sectional couch. In addition to the crime scene being investigated by unknown personnel after it was opened to the public, neighbors noticed that a side door of the Marshall home at 1259 Sandalwood Drive in the gated community of Forest Meadows, near Murphys, was unlocked and ajar. Neighbors stated that the door was never opened and hardly used. The Sheriff also stated that no gunshots were heard by neighbors on the evening of January 31 or early morning of February 1 because the houses are far apart. In fact, the houses are extremely close together and one neighbor stated she could "hear Phil whistling from inside his house." Police immediately denied that a silencer or other noise suppression device could have been used in the four shootings that included single shots each to Marshall, son Alex, daughter Macaila, and Shih-tzu dog "Suki," the latter found in a bedroom. One neighbor reported hearing an unusual noise during the evening of January 31, a Thursday. There are pictures at Some links from Sally that I won't have time to look at until later- http://rainbowsally.net/rainbow/poli/docs/PhilipMarshall/Man%20Shoots%20Children%20then%20Himself%20in%20a%20Murder-Suicide.pdf http://rainbowsally.net/rainbow/poli/docs/PhilipMarshall/Update-Correction_on_Murder-Suicide.pdf http://rainbowsally.net/rainbow/poli/docs/PhilipMarshall/PhilipMarshallhitmadetoappearassuicide.pdf Two of the above are press releases from the sheriffs’ dept. and one is kept out of the mainstream for unknown reasons. But the purpose of this post is to demonstrate that it is possible to see this ‘investigation’ in two different lights. You’re going to have to get out and PUSH a little, Murphy. The mud is pretty deep here. This goes back to at least the anti-war days… not just Cheney/Bush. (Ctrl-F and find “Kevin Moran” on this page.) I have finally had time to start to carefully read Phillips blog at It's well worth reading-I'll post some important paragraphs later.
It makes more sense that he and his kids were killed than him going crazy. I don't think he really had any revealing information about 9/11 though, he just thought he did. The Saudi connection to 9/11 is really only there to point the finger of blame at them if the truth starts to come out instead of the real perpetrators of 9/11, Israel and the Mossad/CIA. The planners of 9/11 thought things out very well. They have many ways to avoid being seen as the culprits even if people figure out it was an "inside job."
God is always good!
Epic fail. Even Rummy said it was a missile; though more likely a drone of some sort. Just more of the Dov-zio magic worked on that horrific day. “The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestHis book (The Big Bamboozle) exposes the use of Blackwater, Pinal AirPark, (a known CIA operation from the Vietnam era) and large commercial Aircraft registered to some Saudi Prince for training in the Desert, among many other things.
Bandar bin Sultan (born 2 March 1949) is a member of the House of Saud and was Saudi Arabia's ambassador to the United States from 1983 to 2005. In 2005, he was named as Secretary General of the National Security Council [Saudi Arabia's]. He was appointed Director General of the Saudi Intelligence Agency by King Abdullah on 19 July 2012.
#87. To: GreyLmist (#85)
despite asserting that an experienced pilot like himself probably couldn't have hit it so luckily.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1564177/
See Annex: The Illustrated Medico-Legal Cases
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In 1998, a new family doctor, unaware of this adverse reaction to fluoxetine, prescribed paroxetine 20 mg to DS, for what was diagnosed as an anxiety disorder. Two days later having had, it is believed, two doses of medication, DS using a gun put three bullets each through the heads of his wife, his daughter who was visiting, and his nine-month-old granddaughter before killing himself.
#88. To: titorite, scrapper2, RickyJ, wudidiz, All (#68)
I swear to god you are acting just as bad as FormerLurker or RickyJ
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#89. To: Artisan (#83)
last year i was in OKC waiting in line at a restaurant at 2am. 4 cops walked in & i started chatting about Yeakey.One of the older cops knew "Terry".i mentioned the shady circustances of his death & he knodded & shook his head & you couldve heard crickets
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#90. To: FormerLurker (#89)
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#91. To: RickyJ (#82)
You can consider that a compliment. You aren't acting bad, but you do seem to think there is no possibility that those making a 200G+ a year might actually choose to live inland. The majority may indeed live near the coast making that much, but that doesn't mean they all do.
#92. To: purplerose (#3)
This reminds me of William Cooper and how he died in Nov of 2001 by those who ambushed him at gunpoint and shot him dead. It was also a hit by the upper echelons who wanted him dead too for his controversial book, "Behold a Pale Horse" where he was exposing everything from mind control to chemtrails.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#93. To: Dakmar (#90)
you've got to pick up every stitch...
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#94. To: Dakmar (#90)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#95. To: Aquila (#87)
#96. To: Dakmar (#91)
...those making a 200G+ a year might actually choose to live inland.
#97. To: scrapper2, titorite, wudidiz, All, *The Border*, *Totalitarian Tiptoe* (#15)
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This so-called uber successful pilot - if he was all that he said he was - would be living in a coastal town in CA.
Yesterday it was announced that the U.S. Constitution now STOPS one- hundred miles from every border this nation had. This creates an illegal buffer zone
The major cities impacted by this new ruling include everyone in the following cities:
#98. To: wudidiz (#0)
Phillip Marshall Wrote About a Conspiracy; Was He the Victim of One?
http://www.santabarbaraview.com/phillip-marshall-wrote-about-a-conspiracy-was-he-victim-of-one4254252/
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#99. To: Aquila (#98)
#100. To: GreyLmist (#97)
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#101. To: Aquila (#98)
"Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking; where it is absent, discussion is apt to become worse than useless." ~ Leo Tolstoy
#102. To: scrapper2 (#100)
Yes, I already posted a similar article on this subject 02/09. As you note, there did not get much interest because the Dorner story was front stage.
#103. To: wudidiz (#101)
Excellent, thank you and welcome! :)
I doubt they killed him over his 9/11 musings. None of that hasn't been discussed over and over again by countless others and I don't think he was all that accurate about his suspicions anyway. I mean, it wasn't the Saudis and even if it was it's not like he's the one who started that rumour
From the quote:
#104. To: Aquila (#103)
I've never done any reading about that specifically (I'm going to now), but what if that is true? Was the *Senator* "muzzled"? And if he was, why isn't this discussed more? All this is, of course, complicated by the fact that there are no real journalists or reporters any more.
"Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking; where it is absent, discussion is apt to become worse than useless." ~ Leo Tolstoy
#105. To: noone222 (#99)
interview that Phil did with Coast 2 Coast's John B. Wells
#106. To: Aquila (#105)
#107. To: Aquila (#105)
@1:44:28 "...you really don't have any security when you have so many people that have access to your personal whereabouts..."
#108. To: GreyLmist, Lod, christine (#102)
I'd like to read it if you can point me to the thread.
#109. To: scrapper2, GreyLmist, 4, 0 comments, all (#108)
*I take no personal offense at O responses. I will continue to post articles/ my opinions on 4um when I can, because christine gives us all a wonderful gift ( rare these days when political correctness reigns supreme)- an non judgmental platform @ 4um to exercise our free speech rights.*
#110. To: Aquila, noone222, *No Planers* (#98)
During the editing and pre-marketing process of Marshall’s book, he expressed some degree of paranoia because the nonfiction work accused the George W. Bush administration of being in cahoots with the Saudi intelligence community in training the hijackers who died in the planes used in the attacks.
a coordinated training operation that prepared the hijackers to fly heavy commercial airliners. We have dozens of FBI documents to prove that this flight training was conducted California, Florida and Arizona in the 18 months leading up to the attack.”
1. Pinal Airpark - Wikipedia
Uploaded at YouTube on Feb 12, 2012 by ResistNWOrder
C2C w/host John Wells
#111. To: scrapper2, GreyLmist, Lod, christine, noone222, aquila, 1 comment, all (#108)
"Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking; where it is absent, discussion is apt to become worse than useless." ~ Leo Tolstoy
#112. To: All (#105)
From this and a few other articles I’ve found on the net I’ve compiled a few questions....
a) dog killed in the bedroom,
b) children killed while sleeping on the couch.
#113. To: Aquila (#112)
Aquila is a constellation in the northern sky. Its name is Latin for 'eagle' and it represents the bird who carried Zeus's/Jupiter's thunderbolts in Greco-Roman mythology.
#114. To: GreyLmist (#97)
This was designed to give these traitors a protected-zone to supposedly bring in troops (UN-NATO or otherwise), to do what they cannot do without this CRIMINALLY-ENFORCED-TREASON. This way they can have full control of all the ports and all the major cities near what used to be the borders of the United States.
#115. To: Aquila (#112)
#116. To: scrapper2, christine (#108)
I posted it on Sunday night - 02/10 ( I mis-remembered the date). It was the same Wired original source as you posted today.
christine gives us all a wonderful gift ( rare these days when political correctness reigns supreme)- an non judgmental platform @ 4um to exercise our free speech rights.*
#117. To: Aquila (#112)
#118. To: BTP Holdings (#114)
This was designed to give these traitors a protected-zone to supposedly bring in troops (UN-NATO or otherwise), to do what they cannot do without this CRIMINALLY-ENFORCED-TREASON. This way they can have full control of all the ports and all the major cities near what used to be the borders of the United States.
#119. To: GreyLmist (#118)
similar to how they manuever to remove our rights from us only quicker and more ethically by deeming them Secessionists.
#120. To: BTP Holdings (#119)
#121. To: wudidiz (#0)
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DS Holter February 11, 2013 at 12:56 am #
Marshall: "I don't know, I'm looking out my window right now...(laughter)...I don't know...Like they said in that movie- go out on your feet or go out on your knees- take your choice but we're all goin' out at some point...
http://disc.yourwebapps.com/discussion.cgi?disc=149495;article=144044;title=APFN
#122. To: Aquila (#121)
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Here is the link to the page with the .mp3
http://disc.yourwebapps.com/discussion.cgi? disc=149495;article=144044;title=APFN MORE INFO: http://www.apfn.org/apfn/bamboozle.htm
Audio: Philip Marshall (pilot) on Coast to Coast on 09/08/12
http://www.apfn.net/CC301/Sep09'12_10;56PM_001.mp3In the first half, veteran airline captain Philip Marshall revealed the connections between the 9/11 hijackers and the Saudi Arabian intelligence community. Lead investigator of the Congressional Joint Inquiry, Senator Bob Graham, uncovered such a relationship and has filed a lawsuit against Saudi Arabia for their role in the attack, Marshall said. The hijackers were in contact with Saudi Arabian aviation experts, he continued, adding that "none of the official evidence mentions any kind of role by bin Laden and al-Qaeda." Marshall dismissed theories that the Pentagon was struck by a missile, though he acknowledged that the incredible speed at which the plane was traveling (480 knots) would have made it sound and even appear like a missile attack. Photographic evidence shows Boeing engine turbines inside the Pentagon, as well as wing fairings and other metallic wreckage with American Airline's paint job, he noted. There is no doubt that American Flight 77 hit the Pentagon, Marshall stated.
#123. To: GreyLmist (#120)
There's no reason for Patriots to secede. It's our nation and our Constitution, not the plunder of the Treasonous. They have seceded from our Constitutional Republic and system of government.
#124. To: wudidiz (#0)
February 15-17, 2013 -- Sacramento, CA -- Philip Marshall: A black ops hit made to appear as a suicide Philip Marshall, the retired United Airlines pilot, 9/11 analysis author, and one-time Iran-contra era associate of CIA/DEA informant Barry Seal, did not shoot his two teen-age children and himself. That is the conclusion of everyone who knew Marshall after he moved to the Sierra Nevadas community of Murphys ten years ago after he sold his home in Santa Barbara.
http://www.fileden.com/files/2012/5/4/3300455/PhilipMarshallhitmadetoappearassuicide.pdf
http://thebigbamboozle.tumblr.com/
#125. To: Aquila (#124)
#126. To: GreyLmist, 4 (#122)
There is no doubt that American Flight 77 hit the Pentagon, Marshall stated.
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