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Title: Former pilot and 9/11 conspiracy theorist shoots and kills 2 teen children, then himself
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Xeni Jardin at 6:41 pm Mon, Feb 4 Slaying victims Alex and Macaila Marshall with their father, Phillip Marshall. The apparent murder-suicide was discovered at the family home in an upscale gated golfing community in Murphys, California. According to local news reports, teen friends of Alex Marshall, 17 (Facebook, Twitter, Instagram), and Macaila Marshall (Facebook, Twitter, Instagram), 14, noticed the siblings had not been active via text or social media updates since Thursday and went by the house on Saturday to check on them. The last posts made by either child to Instagram and Facebook were dated Thursday night. The friends told police that when they arrived, they found Phillip Marshall, 54, "lying in a pool of blood inside the home," his 9mm Glock nearby. Deputies believe the children were shot while sleeping on a couch. The family dog was found shot to death in a nearby bedroom. Marshall's estranged wife Sean, the children's mother, was out of the country at the time. Phillip Marshall has been identified as a former pilot for Eastern and United airlines. He self-published a number of books, including at least two about his 9/11 conspiracy theories: "The Big Bamboozle" (February 9, 2012) and "False Flag 911: How Bush, Cheney and the Saudis Created the Post-911 World" (July 29, 2008). A previous novel published in 2003, "Lakefront Airport, New Orleans," detailed his claimed experience as a pilot for the US during Iran/Contra. In his books and his social media bios (including multiple Facebook accounts, his Twitter account and a Tumblr), he claims to have served as a contract pilot for the CIA's Special Activities Division during the Iran-Contra affair, flying shipments to and from Nicaragua. He appeared on "outsider truth" shows like Coast to Coast to promote the theories in his books that 9/11 was an "inside job," the result of a plot between the US government and the Saudis. From his author bio on Createspace.com, Amazon.com's self-publishing service: Beginning with his role in the 1980s as a Learjet captain first as part of a Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) sting on Pablo Escobar, and later in the covert arming of the Nicaraguan Contras, Marshall has studied and written 30-years worth of covert government special activities and the revolving door of Wall Street tricksters, media moguls, and their well funded politicians. I am unable to confirm the veracity of the claims in his self-authored bio at this time. A Facebook page for "The Big Bamboozle" showed posts as recent as January 31 with titles like, "WHAT IS THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY HIDING?," "THE ARAB WORLD KNOWS THE RAID WAS A HOAX," and posts about the Bin Laden assassination having been faked. "PICTURES PAINT A THOUSAND WORDS," read one such Facebook post from Marshall about photographs of the assassinated Al Qaeda leader. "Since bin Laden died in 2001, these would be "alleged" photos of bin Laden. Give us a break." He once also pitched those theories to a television news journalist with whom this blogger is acquainted. A young friend of the two slain teens with whom this blogger is personally acquainted described them as "sweet, funny, lively, good kids." A tweet from Macaila on January 25: Would it be wrong if I threw my cat with his claws retracted at my dads face right now?... #pissoff— Macaila Marshall (@MacailaMarshall) January 25, 2013 Photos from the siblings' Instagram feeds suggest that they were outgoing, well-liked by friends, and loved one another very much. In one, Macaila is in the hospital after a "golf cart accident," with her father sitting in the background. In the last self-portrait she posted on January 28, her brother blows a hair dryer at her while she goofs in the mirror. "I pretty much just wanted to say how great of a big brother you are," Macaila writes to her brother in another Instagram caption, "I love you so much!" A family photo Instagrammed by Alex shows the boy at a much younger age. In it, he is helping his father mow the lawn with a toy lawnmower. Macaila Marshall, from her Facebook profile. Poster Comment: L.A. Times - Two teens killed by father in apparent murder-suicide, officials sayFormer pilot and 9/11 conspiracy theorist shoots and kills 2 teen children, then himself
Phillip (alternately, "Philip") Marshall, 54, a career airline pilot who claimed to have once served as a contract pilot for the CIA and DEA during the Iran-Contra affair, shot and killed his two teenage children, and the family dog, then killed himself. 
Philip Marshall, a veteran airline captain and former government "special activities" contract pilot, has authored three books on Top Secret America, a group presently conducting business as the United States Intelligence Community. 
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#1. To: wudidiz, *Black Ops - Psyops* (#0)
This was obviously a state approved hit.
He was a mental case, as all conspiracists are. "Have Brain, Will Travel
I was thinking the very same thing. And what a tragedy. This reminds me of William Cooper and how he died in Nov of 2001 by those who ambushed him at gunpoint and shot him dead. It was also a hit by the upper echelons who wanted him dead too for his controversial book, "Behold a Pale Horse" where he was exposing everything from mind control to chemtrails. God Bless his soul.
He was definitely right about that. Uh huh. He had the model family. If he were such a mental case that wouldn't have been so. Do you still believe Oswald, Sirhan Sirhan, Holmes, and Lanza were all lone gunmen who carried "magic bullets"? Or how about the story about bin Laden being tossed out at see without any confirming photos? From what I've read, Cooper did sort of have a gunfight with the local sheriff though. At least it didn't appear to be a suicide or an "accident". This is more of a Senator Wellstone, Vince Foster, Terrance Yeakey, Gary Webb, or Danny Casalaro sort of thing. The apparent murder-suicide was discovered at the family home in an upscale gated golfing community in Murphys, California. 1. Murphys, CA is not an upscale community by a long shot. Good heavens - it's located in central CA near Stockton. Ouch! 2. If this pilot was a "career airline pilot" he would not be living in Murphys. 3. If this pilot worked for the CIA and DEA, he would not be living in Murphys. 4. This story is bullcrap.
Doesn't say that, scrap. It says, "...in an upscale gated golfing community in Murphys, California." The amenities in this gated community make it a perfect get-away. Immaculate home in gated golf course community Forest Meadows is a gated community with golf, pools, tennis courts. Still could be bullcrap though ;) Well, he did live in Murphys and in his book "...claimed to have once served as a contract pilot for the CIA and DEA during the Iran-Contra affair" Problem with this one.... basically he was a career airline pilot and he actually did live in Murphys. Well... he died there anyway ;) YOu have read a story. You have not seen a body. You assume too much from so little to make such grand pronouncements. It could just as easily be a complete fabrication like sandyhoax with the intent to put people like us(not you personally) under a dangerous microscope. _______ Their are only two kinds of americans left in the USA those opposed to the tyranny and those that are wrong. Resist propaganda, Support strict constitutional adherence!
Yes and whether it is or not should soon be apparent. Friends and neighbors who knew Marshall had trouble believing he would have taken the life of his children. He was known as a good father, well-liked Little League coach, former pilot for Eastern and United Airlines and an easygoing guy with a good sense of humor. “The actions don’t match the person we know,” said Merita Callaway, a county supervisor who lives four doors up the street from Marshall. She considered him a good friend. “I can’t tell you how many times we’ve had conversations over a cup of coffee together.” “He was a wonderful man,” said Carolyn Greenwood, who is Marshall’s nextdoor neighbor and who has known him for more than 10 years. “I knew him long enough to know he was a regular guy. He was a good father, always there for his kids and a helpful neighbor.” “When I heard what happened, I couldn’t believe it,” Callaway said. “He loved his children.” Look, wud. I live in CA. I live on the coast of CA. That's upscale. Murphys is inland. It's not upscale. An upscale golfing community in a non upscale town is non, nothing, nada. Sorry. This so-called uber successful pilot - if he was all that he said he was - would be living in a coastal town in CA. That's the way it is in CA. Ocean and proximity to ocean is everything. You can own a shack in Santa Barbara and it would be worth 5x that of a house in an "upscale golfing community" in a town in central CA.
wud, This is a non-story. This guy is not who you think he is. If he was, he would NOT be living in Murphys. Experienced airline pilots earn $300,000+ per year. They don't live in central CA.
Put down the bottle and step away from the keyboard.
Sorry. I'm not trying to sell you some real estate here, scrap ;) Nice try. Fail. You are trying to be a tin-foil hero. This is the wrong story to make your fame.
I think he was retired. "It's not how much you make, it's how much you save" Fail. You are trying to be a tin-foil hero. This is the wrong story to make your fame. I CAN'T WORK LIKE THIS PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is a non-story. This guy is not who you think he is. If he was, he would NOT be living in Murphys. Experienced airline pilots earn $300,000+ per year. They don't live in central CA. The "tragedy in forest meadows" link simply says he live in forest meadows. Later stories derived from this say it's an "upscale gated community". Maybe they got that from the real estate ads. You know, the agents are always trying to make it sound like more than it is. I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't ruin my dream of becoming a tin-foil hat hero. The hammer comes down, this term. God forbid dear leader power grabs for a third term. (Cryptic enough for ya?) _______ Their are only two kinds of americans left in the USA those opposed to the tyranny and those that are wrong. Resist propaganda, Support strict constitutional adherence!
Possibly, but the wife is still alive, so there might be more to this story. Killing him might make some sense for the elite, killing his kids makes no sense unless they knew something. And what about his wife? I would think she would know even more, yet she is still alive. God is always good!
I don't think they do. You got any sources to back that up? God is always good!
This is funny. You are determining where people must live based on their job, as if it is a rule of some sort. It could be that he didn't make as much money as you think he did and that he was wise enough to not waste what he did make on overpriced real estate. I'm sorry if this offends you, but you are not making logical posts here and I think are way off on how much commercial airline pilots make a year. God is always good!
Forest Meadows is a gated, private community in Murphys. We should all be livid. Stop acting like docile, mentally castrated pussies and grow a pair. It's time to get in their face. Why should we speak in hushed tones and act all polite when we are being raped every day?
They have relentlessly stoked the fires of the case, taking their story from U.S. Attorney General Janet Reno’s office to the British House of Commons, pushing theories that the Spiros were victims of Middle East assassins or rogue members of the intelligence community. They have called or written every imaginable politician and bureaucrat, including President Clinton and Lawrence Walsh, the special counsel who probed the Iran-Contra affair. Colonel Oliver North, who directed the Iran-Contra affair from his White House basement office, mentions in his notebooks that Ian Spiro was suggested as a go- between in Lebanon. There was an obvious hit 20 some years ago near San Diego, in an upscale neighborhood (Rancho Sante Fe) where they found the father (CIA Agent). Murder in Rancho Santa Fe by Kevin Brass THE HOUSE IS FOR SALE NOW, priced to move at $985,000. “It’s been recently remodeled,” a real estate agent assures me. It sits on 1.7 acres, tucked into a Rancho Santa Fe hillside, a chip shot from the golf course where Bing Crosby first hosted his annual clambake. At the top of the driveway, past the stone walls of the entrance, a white gate opens to the back and a cluster of three bedrooms with large windows. This is where the Spiro children were found. Eleven-year-old Dina, 14-year-old Adam and 16-year-old Sara were tucked into their beds, gunshot wounds to their heads. Apparently the murderer was careful not to wake them before firing the fatal shots. Dina was neatly wrapped in her blanket, only her head and one arm poking out. Down the hall, at the other end of the house, is the master bedroom, where their mother, Gail Spiro, was murdered in a similar execution style. No one heard the shots. Neighboring homes are barely visible from the house, masked by pine trees and well-tailored hedges. The bodies were not discovered for three days—not until neighbors came looking for Sara, who had missed a riding lesson. That was three years ago. The grisly discovery prompted the most expensive and comprehensive murder investigation in the history of the San Diego County Sheriff’s Department. At times, the case has been a media carnival, rumored to involve Ollie North, the Shah of Iran, Lebanese terrorists, the CIA, Colombian drug lords, the Japanese mafia and gun-running. But after three years of chasing leads, the case remained officially open and unsolved. Over the years, the house has become a magnet for curiosity seekers, says the exasperated real estate agent. Neighbors complain about people stopping and gawking. The English couple who bought the estate several years before with dreams of someday retiring in sunny Rancho Santa Fe—and rented the house to the Spiro family—now want nothing more than to sell it. When people call about the listing, the real estate agent feels she has to tell them first about the horrific events of November 1992. Then, she says, “A lot of people don’t want anything to do with the house.” The first time I saw this house—my first of many trips to Avenida Maravillas— was the morning after the bodies were discovered. It was my first week as a reporter for KUSI-TV, and I was assigned to wait for the bodies of the Spiro family to be wheeled out by the medical examiner—the requisite picture when TV news covers a homicide. By 10 a.m., TV crews from Los Angeles had arrived, lured by the news of mysterious murders in the wealthy enclave of Rancho Santa Fe. In the bright morning sun, the crews huddled at the bottom of the driveway—kibitzing, renewing friendships, gossiping—while the detectives and medical examiners went about their work. Late in the morning, four or five young girls dressed in plaid skirts and white shirts, perhaps classmates of the young victims, tentatively made their way up the street, intimidated by all the people, holding hands for strength. Spotting them, several reporters nudged their photographers. A few started toward the girls, followed by a few more, setting off a stampede. The terrified girls ran back down the street, a deputy following to comfort them. IT COULD HAVE HAPPENED anywhere, the locals like to say. But it happened here in Rancho Santa Fe, a world of eucalyptus trees and mansions rarely touched by such sordid and bloody affairs. This world of exclusivity and luxury was invaded by Ian Spiro, father and husband, wheeler-dealer, a man who told friends he smuggled gold and negotiated with terrorists. But in his last days he couldn’t even pay his electric bill. Three days after the discovery of his murdered family, Spiro was found slumped over the wheel of his Ford Explorer in an isolated part of the Anza-Borrego Desert, dead from cyanide poisoning. “We just want to get a fresh look from someone with the ability to spend 100 percent of their time on the case,” says Commander Myron Klippert, the man in charge of the new effort. “We need to come to some sort of resolution on this.” By mid-September, there were rumblings within the department that the sheriff was finally ready to make a declarative statement about the case, to bring some sense of closure to the Spiro saga. But that doesn’t mean the story will go away. In three years, those involved in the case—even investigators—have not been able to shake a lingering sliver of doubt, a doubt formed as much by personal emotion as by the convoluted trail of Ian Spiro’s life. It is the doubt of rational minds finding it difficult to accept that a father could kill his children. Even detectives who believe that Ian Spiro killed his family can’t fully explain what would cause a man to take such a wild leap over the edge of sanity. “It disturbed me then, and I still think about that,” says Sheriff’s Commander James Marmack, one of the first detectives on the scene. “I constantly think: Why, why would someone do this?” Gail Spiro’s family buried Ian next to Gail and the kids in England. They have never wavered in their insistence that detectives have settled on the wrong man— that the Ian they knew never could have turned into a murderous, suicidal monster. They have relentlessly stoked the fires of the case, taking their story from U.S. Attorney General Janet Reno’s office to the British House of Commons, pushing theories that the Spiros were victims of Middle East assassins or rogue members of the intelligence community. They have called or written every imaginable politician and bureaucrat, including President Clinton and Lawrence Walsh, the special counsel who probed the Iran-Contra affair. Colonel Oliver North, who directed the Iran-Contra affair from his White House basement office, mentions in his notebooks that Ian Spiro was suggested as a go- between in Lebanon. According to a variety of reports, Spiro also helped Anglican Church envoy Terry Waite meet with Shiite terrorists. Spiro’s business activities reportedly included several deals in Iran and Lebanon. Greg Quarton, Gail’s half-brother, a businessman living in Vancouver, Canada, says Ian was a victim of the CIA or Mossad (Israeli intelligence). He’s not sure which, but says, “One thing for sure is that the assassination was sanctioned by the intelligence community.” He vows never to drop the case as long as Ian is suspected of murder. The case has become something of a crusade for Quarton—and almost a full-time job. He has spent $40,000 following leads, interviewing “spooks” and former associates of his brother-in-law. He says he sleeps with a gun under his pillow. Ken Quarton, Greg’s twin, breaks down when I ask him about the tragedy. It’s been three years, but the family was close, he says; they visited each other often. Gail Spiro’s mother spent a few months each year with Gail, Ian and the kids. “This has devastated our family,” he says through tears. “I don’t go a day without thinking about it.” THE INCONSISTENCIES, the speculation about Ian Spiro’s deeds and companions, began almost the moment the bodies were discovered. The first officers at the scene found the house locked; firefighters were forced to break down a door. But the neighbor who first called the police says the door to Ian Spiro’s office, an add-on to the garage, was open. He says nothing in the office seemed out of place—except there was a 6-foot string of faxes hanging from the fax machine. All carried frantic, searching messages: “Please call me back...” “No one is answering the phone...” “Where are you...?” The office was packed with papers and phone records, chronicling a vast array of business dealings. Initially, detectives were reluctant to designate the missing Ian Spiro a suspect. “I don’t know that he’s not a victim,” homicide Lieutenant John Tenwolde told a reporter. However, by the time his body was found three days later, detectives were ready to issue a warrant for his arrest. Perhaps most incriminating was an ominous meeting Spiro had with the family maid on Monday, November 2. The Latina maid, who speaks little English, says she had shown up for work to find a disheveled Ian Spiro blocking her way. He wouldn’t let her in the house and drove her home. At the time they took that ride, Gail and the children were already dead. Investigators learned little from Rancho Santa Fe residents. The Spiros had moved to the United States from France in 1991, renting first in Del Mar and then in Fairbanks Ranch before renting the house on Avenida Maravillas for $5,000 a month. Many locals who knew the Spiros describe them as a likable, social couple. He was “maddeningly secretive,” a man prone to big stories and “creative” business schemes. She loved tennis and bridge. They were members of the Lomas Santa Fe Country Club. Closer examination turned up little more neighborly insight. Ian, 46, didn’t smoke or drink, except for an occasional glass of wine. He was known to retire early in the evening. He regularly picked up his children at school and attended all their extracurricular events. He was British and charming and eccentric, and people liked him. Many chuckled at his outlandish stories. Still, they liked him. Gail had been a popular young English girl, captain of her school hockey team, who grew up to be a nurse. She and Ian met in Beirut, where she worked in a hospital and he conducted his various business schemes. In hindsight, some call Ian an enigma. Others refer to his “dark side.” Almost with pride, he told one friend he didn’t support his daughters from a first marriage because their mother had run off with one of his partners. In the final months, Spiro had talked of leaving Rancho Santa Fe, perhaps moving his family to Vancouver to live near Greg Quarton’s family, or to New York, near his uncle, Joseph Riina. But one day he mysteriously told Greg he “was not permitted to leave” and never talked of moving again. Ken Quarton visited the Spiros in California in May, six months before the murders. “They loved California,” Ken says. “They loved the area. Gail had never been happier.” IN RANCHO SANTA FE, curiosity about Spiro and the tragedy ebbed quickly. The Spiros were, after all, outsiders. Since they rented, they were not members of the elite Covenant. The Spiros were members of the Lomas Santa Fe Country Club, not the Rancho Santa Fe Country Club, the acknowledged social center of older Rancho. “The media were much more interested in the continuing story than anyone who lived here,” says Walt Ekard, manager of the Rancho Santa Fe Association, which oversees the Covenant. “It was no longer cocktail-party conversation two weeks after it happened.” Long after interest waned among locals, though, reporters were familiar figures outside exclusive shops and restaurants, asking about “the mood” of the community, seeking any tidbit about the family that few in Rancho had ever seen. Ekard was barraged with calls from reporters. One called from the airport asking when his limousine would pick him up, apparently confusing Rancho Santa Fe with a country-club resort. Within a few days of the discovery of the bodies, dealing with media inquiries about the case all but became Commander Marmack’s full-time job. He was receiving 30 calls a day. “The Spiro case didn’t go away,” says Marmack, who headed the homicide unit. “It kept going and going.” Detectives wouldn’t discuss evidence, and they sealed all pertinent public- record documents, forcing reporters to undertake fishing expeditions. One print reporter called Marmack and said a psychic knew where the murder weapon could be found —did he care to comment? Marmack and Tenwolde, who headed the investigative unit, were even offered movie deals. One producer was only slightly fazed when Marmack pointed out that it would be inappropriate and unethical for a working cop to take money from a movie company on an open investigation. “Well, how about taking the money when you retire?” the producer suggested. The media blitz was spiced by British journalists, who were widely quoted and used as sources by other reporters. London journalist Con Coughlin, who had written a book on Middle East intrigue, flew to San Diego and made the rounds of TV news shows. Coughlin portrayed Spiro as a con artist but also linked him to all sorts of events in the spy world. In a fairly typical example of British tabloid journalism, Coughlin authored a front-page story stating without equivocation—and without any attribution—that the Avenida Maravillas address was a “CIA safe house.” The international wires dutifully picked up the story, and the San Diego Union ran a prominent story with quotes from the owners of the house, denying their rental was a CIA front. KUSI-TV did more than its share of Spiro mythmaking, providing one of the lowlights in coverage. When Ian Spiro’s body was found, a KUSI reporter in the field mentioned during an off-camera conversation an unconfirmed (and incorrect) rumor that the head was missing from the body. The anchor repeated the rumor on the air. Word spread. To the family of the victims, it became a symbol of the media coverage. As one of the reporters, much of my time was spent following false leads. One would-be tipster repeatedly called the station to inform me that spy satellites were the key to the Spiro case. A far more reliable source told me Spiro’s Explorer had been clocked in at the border coming back from Mexico between the time of his family’s death and his own. I spent days tracking the tip with no luck. I finally filed with U.S. Customs for disclosure under the Freedom of Information Act. Weeks later, Customs officially responded: Spiro’s Explorer never appeared on its logs. WHEN I TIRED OF CHASING RUMORS, I focused on Spiro’s finances, which appeared to be the key—and the weak link, relatives say—in the sheriff’s probable-cause case against Ian Spiro. In homicide investigations, detectives always start with motive. In this case, motive is the most puzzling question. It is hard to argue with dozens who saw Ian as a loving father and husband. He went everywhere with his kids. But it is true that Spiro was having severe financial problems, perhaps worse than he had ever faced. He was three months behind in his rent. He was overdue on almost all his bills. He was supporting a family in Rancho Santa Fe, including riding lessons, private schools and a country club, yet he owned almost nothing. Besides the leased Explorer, he leased a BMW 325i for himself at $500 a month, while his wife drove a leased Cherokee. A credit check at the time of Spiro’s death revealed nothing more than a Visa card with a $1,000 line of credit and a few department-store cards. He used a letter from a London accounting firm to introduce himself. It claimed Spiro earned “in excess of sterling 225,000” (about $340,000) by “trading internationally in the commodity market, primarily between South America and the Middle East.” Despite a “general softening in the market,” Spiro was expected to earn about $225,000 in 1991-92, the letter says. About six months before the murders, Spiro called his accountant in England and offered his services as a go-between. He struck the accountant as “a man looking for ways to survive.” Spiro’s main local enterprise was a company producing 900-prefix phone numbers for dating, legal advice and other areas of interest for late-night TV viewers. He was trying to put together a new company to market 900 numbers, but late in 1992 he told another company’s account executive he couldn’t get the funding. In Ian’s office, investigators found mounds of papers and phone records detailing a mind-boggling multitude of business dealings. Even his brothers-in- law tell conflicting stories. Ken says Ian was involved in selling “helicopter parts to South America” and “hospital supplies in Iran.” Greg says Ian was earning $225,000 a year selling “helicopter parts to Iran.” In 1989, Channel Islands–based ANZ Grindlays Bank loaned Gail Spiro 300,000 pounds (about $450,000), first to buy a United Kingdom property and then to renovate a house in France. The bank also loaned Ian more than $3 million to buy and resell antique Porsche sports cars. The deal went bad. Ian told Greg that the Yakuza, the Japanese mafia, had stolen several of the cars In January 1992, Grindlays formally told Spiro that it wanted its money—with interest, now around $4 million—back. In April, Spiro took out a $1.5 million life-insurance policy on himself. By the end of his life, Spiro was buying hundreds of lottery tickets a week. Investigators found a Ouija board among his possessions; some speculate he used it to pick the numbers. According to public records, he owed $100,000 to his uncle, $100,000 to family friend Joe Zerboni, $26,000 to Ken Quarton and $16,000 to the company that moved the family from France, in addition to a half- dozen smaller creditors who put in claims against the estate. There was little to claim. The Spiros had few possessions—mainly jewelry, watches and rugs. Faced with the mountain of unpaid debt, no one filed for the estate. It was auctioned by the county, netting $64,000. There is the $1.5 million insurance policy—with Spiro’s children from his first marriage as surviving next-of-kin beneficiaries—but it would be void if Spiro’s death should be declared a suicide. Relatives laugh at the thought of money problems pushing Ian over the edge. He was always earning and losing fortunes, they say. “He thought of money as a commodity, like air,” Ken says. The answers, they say, lie in the Middle East. They can’t offer any physical evidence but say their gut instincts and their own inquiries point to the intelligence community, most likely stemming from Ian’s role in Iran-Contra. Ex-hostage Peter Jacobsen confirmed to the media that Spiro was indeed involved in the release of hostages in the Middle East. But investigators say Spiro “was no James Bond,” simply a low-level go-between—an image Greg says is ludicrous or at least naive. “Let’s put it this way,” Greg says. “The hostage crisis in Beirut wasn’t working with the first connection. Ian’s connection made it work.” But the scope of the investigation by the Sheriff’s Department has gone far beyond the Middle East. With the help of the FBI, investigators have been interviewing scores of Spiro’s business contacts, seeking real evidence to back various theories. Detectives also looked into his connection with a Chicago convict, jailed on drug charges, who is involved in the so-called Inslaw scandal. According to court documents filed shortly after the murders, Spiro was holding computer equipment essential for the inmate to prove a Justice Department conspiracy to steal sophisticated computer software. As with most things involving Ian Spiro, there is just enough truth in each report to tweak the interest of investigators. Each time they ask, “Is it possible? Is it plausible this might have something to do with the murders?” Usually, in some way they’re just as plausible as a caring father killing his children. In general, investigators are troubled as much by the evidence they don’t find as the evidence they do. A few weeks after the murders, three rain-soaked suitcases, packed with Spiro’s papers and an audiotape apparently made by Ian just days before his death, were found in a remote part of the desert near where Ian died. But they still didn’t have the so-called smoking gun—nor a note or any other clear sign that Ian Spiro went bonkers and slaughtered his family. “Any logical person could say, ‘This should be here, why isn’t it?” says Jim Roache, who was sheriff during the first two years of the investigation. Roache believes the case will never be fully closed. When Ian Spiro left the house that November morning, leaving his family dead in their beds, he took too many answers with him. “Some things only the good Lord and Ian Spiro know for sure,” Roache says. AS I SIFT THROUGH NOTES of interviews, some dating back three years, I am continually drawn to information about Ian Spiro’s last days. Recent talks with family and friends only reaffirm that whatever was in Spiro’s past, whatever kind of man he was before, there is little doubt something was terribly wrong in the last few weeks of his life. Those who saw and talked to Ian Spiro—even those who defend him—say he was “distraught” and “tense.” Two weeks before the murders, he called Ken Quarton from his car phone, leaving a message on Ken’s answering machine. Agitated, he talked of threatening phone calls. He made a similar call to his uncle. At about the same time, Spiro asked a jeweler, a friend, for cyanide. He said he needed it to clean gold; the friend was skeptical and didn’t give it to him. Undeterred, a few days later Spiro bought cyanide from a downtown jeweler. Spiro also was looking for a gun. “He asked me a couple of times; I just forgot about it,” says attorney James Street, who often socialized with the Spiro family. Two weeks before the murders, Spiro asked again. He said he had been getting threatening phone calls since he had approached a movie company with his story about events in the Middle East. Spiro said he was afraid for his family. This time Street gave him a gun, a .357 magnum that was “noisy as hell.” “He seemed to be sincere,” Street says. “If it gave him some solace, it was a small thing to do. I spoke to him once after that, and he said he had heard footsteps around the house.” Spiro complained of not sleeping, saying phone calls were keeping him up. “He seemed to be under a great deal of pressure. Ian said something had come out of his past to haunt him.” The last weekend of the Spiros’ lives was outwardly uneventful. They were planning a Thanksgiving dinner for friends. Sara went to a dance at school on Friday night. Ian made Gail breakfast in bed Saturday morning, and the couple played bridge with friends Saturday night. On Sunday, the day of the murders, the Spiro family went to the stables to watch Sara ride. Ian seemed distracted, one witness recalls. He was unusually harsh with the kids, hustling them into the car. Normally meticulous in his appearance, he had grown a beard. That afternoon, Gail went shopping with friends; Ian stayed home. Ken Quarton says, “Not a single person who knew Ian believes he killed his family.” That’s not true. Some of his closest friends, those who saw him in the last days of his life, believe it. “It was all there for us to see, but none of us saw it,” says one. The sad truth is that some people do murder their children, she says. “It’s not unusual. It just happened to be in Rancho Santa Fe.” “As far as I’m concerned, the guy ran amok,” says Street, who gave him the gun. (Detectives still refuse to say whether they believe Street’s gun was the murder weapon; nor will they discuss the size of the deadly bullets. “We don’t think it’s important for the public to know the caliber of the weapon,” Tenwolde says.) Greg Quarton recently flew to San Diego to pick up the remnants of the Spiro family’s possessions, locked away since the county took over the house in 1993. There wasn’t much—family Bibles, pictures, kids’ yearbooks, “the stuff not slogged off at the bargain-basement sale,” he says bitterly. Greg vows to pester, investigate and shake the cage until officials acknowledge that Ian Spiro is a victim, not a murderer. He’s writing a book with D. Wade Booth, a reporter for the Blade-Citizen, which has reported some of the more sensational allegations about Spiro’s compatriots. Greg asks me if I know any movie producers. “It’s the only way to raise capital to have an independent investigation,” he says. Greg says he’s hopeful that the new team of detectives is sincere about the new approach, the new attitude toward the case. But he doesn’t sound hopeful. “I guess I’m waiting for the big break. The one guy who can’t bear it any longer and needs to talk,” he says. “I hope I don’t have to wait for a deathbed confession.” We should all be livid. Stop acting like docile, mentally castrated pussies and grow a pair. It's time to get in their face. Why should we speak in hushed tones and act all polite when we are being raped every day?
They have relentlessly stoked the fires of the case, taking their story from U.S. Attorney General Janet Reno’s office to the British House of Commons, pushing theories that the Spiros were victims of Middle East assassins or rogue members of the intelligence community. They have called or written every imaginable politician and bureaucrat, including President Clinton and Lawrence Walsh, the special counsel who probed the Iran-Contra affair. Colonel Oliver North, who directed the Iran-Contra affair from his White House basement office, mentions in his notebooks that Ian Spiro was suggested as a go- between in Lebanon. There was an obvious hit 20 some years ago near San Diego, in an upscale neighborhood (Rancho Sante Fe) where they found the father (CIA Agent). Murder in Rancho Santa Fe by Kevin Brass THE HOUSE IS FOR SALE NOW, priced to move at $985,000. “It%9 We should all be livid. Stop acting like docile, mentally castrated pussies and grow a pair. It's time to get in their face. Why should we speak in hushed tones and act all polite when we are being raped every day?
Ex-hostage Peter Jacobsen confirmed to the media that Spiro was indeed involved in the release of hostages in the Middle East. But investigators say Spiro “was no James Bond,” simply a low-level go-between—an image Greg says is ludicrous or at least naive. “Let’s put it this way,” Greg says. “The hostage crisis in Beirut wasn’t working with the first connection. Ian’s connection made it work.” If you play with fire - often enough, you'll get burned. We should all be livid. Stop acting like docile, mentally castrated pussies and grow a pair. It's time to get in their face. Why should we speak in hushed tones and act all polite when we are being raped every day?
The "drug dealer" mentioned is Michael Riconsciuto (sp) who is likely in prison on false charges. Michael Riconosciuto https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Riconosciuto From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Michael Riconosciuto is an electronics and computer | date = 1992-01-19 | accessdate = 2008-09-02 | publisher = Seattle Times Company }} Riconosciuto professed a defense centered on the Inslaw Affair (a legal case in which the U.S. Government was charged with illegal use of computer software). [1] Riconosciuto claimed to have reprogrammed Inslaw's case-management program (Promis) with a secret "back-door" to allow clandestine tracking of individuals. Riconosciuto stated that he had been threatened by a justice department official.[2] Riconosciuto provided an Affidavit detailing threats to a House Select Committee investigating the Inslaw Affair.[3][ I know I've drifted away from the most recent case but the Inslaw matter has never been satisfactorily concluded. It encompasses a myriad of events like Danny (The Octopus) Casolaro's murder (called suicide), Iran Contra, Promis Software stolen by the Reagan Administration, The Cabazon Indian Reservation, Wackenhut, Ed Meese, and lots more. As a side note, Ted Gunderson had been trying to get Riconsciuto out of prison. I've been VERY interested in the Promis Software (Inslaw) matter for about 20 years. A guy named J. Orlin Grabbe had published a vast amount of info on his website until he died a few years ago. He was WAY ahead of anyone else in reporting this stuff. He was a math genius and had written College Level Calculus Books. He concentrated on "CIA stuff" and "encryption." One thing's clear to me, the truth is hard if not impossible to get when the CIA cockroaches are involved. It's so sad to see youngsters caught up in the shit that their parents get into. We should all be livid. Stop acting like docile, mentally castrated pussies and grow a pair. It's time to get in their face. Why should we speak in hushed tones and act all polite when we are being raped every day?
A previous novel published in 2003, "Lakefront Airport, New Orleans," detailed his claimed experience as a pilot for the US during Iran/Contra. Go to Amazon and see the price of these books. Lakefront Airport for example is available, there are 2 copies for sale. (2)used @ $97.47 and $213.92 We should all be livid. Stop acting like docile, mentally castrated pussies and grow a pair. It's time to get in their face. Why should we speak in hushed tones and act all polite when we are being raped every day?
You're right about the CA coast: were it not for Prop13, my 89y.o. aunt could not afford to be in Corona del Mar, and whenever she no longer needs earthly housing, her home will be a tear-down for new construction. One thing I truly envy about CA is your right to have, and exercise, Initiative and Referendum. “The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken Well, the coastlines may be upscale but due to heavy earthquake activity when the tsunamis hit those coastlines the value of the properties will be down to nothing. I lived in Ca for a long time and I was never too impressed with those coast line properties. And riding on top of the epicenter of earthquake '94 was a memory I will NEVER forget. It was hell for weeks. You do NOT want to be living by the ocean when a quake hits. Anybody who does deserves to lose their property. It is those who live inland that are safer. And yes, there are people who make $300K who live inland. Just sayin'.
No one heard the shots. Street gave him a gun, a .357 magnum that was “noisy as hell.” (Detectives still refuse to say whether they believe Street’s gun was the murder weapon; nor will they discuss the size of the deadly bullets. “We don’t think it’s important for the public to know the caliber of the weapon,” Tenwolde says.) The police want people to believe that they all slept through the shooting sounds but there's no mention of a silencer? Seems like they were dead [Edit to add: or heavily sedated] before being shot. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
That says HIT right there. “The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken That (Spiro) story is from quite awhile ago. This recent "murder-suicide" is similar but less confusing as far as the dad is concerned. In this latest case the dad is a baseball coach and pretty easy going. He has admitted his association with Iran/Contra, the CIA and etc., as a pilot and in addition he worked for two major airlines. While cruising through articles I ran across one that happened to mention the string of murders that cause one to ask if they are related. Chris Kyle, the sniper (did he also do jobs for the CIA, in other countries that were drug war related), and there were a couple of more mentioned that I am unable to relocate. One was a guy that was a popular gun enthusiast or gun store owner, another was Aaron Schwartz ... It's just not likely that this guy (who was recently on Coast to Coast with John Wells and considered cogent and rational) murdered his two children, their dog and himself. I also think it's weird that the articles claim the kids were asleep "on the couch" and each person was shot once in the head. We should all be livid. Stop acting like docile, mentally castrated pussies and grow a pair. It's time to get in their face. Why should we speak in hushed tones and act all polite when we are being raped every day?
From Coast to Coast: Phillip Marshall starts at 30 minutes in. We should all be livid. Stop acting like docile, mentally castrated pussies and grow a pair. It's time to get in their face. Why should we speak in hushed tones and act all polite when we are being raped every day?
Will listen to it this evening, thanks.
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
That says HIT right there. Odd, too, that the guy was said to be having financial trouble but they supposedly still had maid service. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Zillow says 1200 block home prices are $300-$500k.
"Mr. Prime Minister, there is only one important question facing us, and that is the question whether the white race will survive." -- Leonid Brezhnev to James Callahan
The audio (youtube) above is an hour and a half conversation between John B. Wells and Phillip Marshall about 9-11, the govt, etc., and the man sounds cogent, articulate, and very sane.
We should all be livid. Stop acting like docile, mentally castrated pussies and grow a pair. It's time to get in their face. Why should we speak in hushed tones and act all polite when we are being raped every day?
color me skeptical (again).
Me too. The children were allegedly found on a U-shaped sofa and were a mere 6 feet apart. So, if dad shot one kid the other (even if asleep) would wake up and resist in some manner. But no, all three had one nice bullet hole in the head. This guy had over 15,000 hours piloting 727s, 757s, etc. He was friends with one of the pilots allegedly flying the plane that crashed in Shanksville. His book (The Big Bamboozle) exposes the use of Blackwater, Pinal AirPark, (a known CIA operation from the Vietnam era) and large commercial Aircraft registered to some Saudi Prince for training in the Desert, among many other things. It seems to me that people that go public with something of interest to say that conflicts with the govt storyline are being purged. We should all be livid. Stop acting like docile, mentally castrated pussies and grow a pair. It's time to get in their face. Why should we speak in hushed tones and act all polite when we are being raped every day?
Killing him might make some sense for the elite, killing his kids makes no sense unless they knew something. It makes sense to those who wish to get away with murder and make it look like the guy killed his own kids along with himself. And what about his wife? I would think she would know even more, yet she is still alive. She may have been the one who helped set him up, who knows. Probably used a silencer to avoid waking them as he picked one off at a time while sleeping. Sounds like the same MO as this most recent incident. If the government were honest there'd be more than a few "officials" behind bars over what's gone on concerning the whole Inslaw/Octopus affair. Instead, we get an occasional "accident" or "suicide", all condoned at the highest levels. Hi! Newbie (long long time lurker and bored LPr) just adding to the collection here. Here's the 12,000 block of Sandalwood. It would be easy for a jogger, for example, to have scaled the little hill from the dirt road and gone to work, no car required.
I'm not saying it wasn't a hit, it probably was, but there are loose ends if this was a hit. His wife better stay out of the country and go deep undercover, because I think she was suppose to be one of the victims that day. The other possibility is that she had something to do with it, but I don't think she did, unless of course it is unusual for her to be out of the country. It is a terrible crime, and I hope it is solved one day, because the ones who killed them will kill again unless stopped. God is always good!
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No neighbors reported hearing any gun shots, Hewitt said. Son Alex, 17, and daughter Macaila, 14, each with a single bullet to the head, as they slept nestled under blankets on the living room couch. Not even the other child heard the gun shots... and for some reason the dog had to go... never mind standard training to see any and all dogs as weapons to be neutralized. And mommy lives. I doubt she'll be suicided. Just a loose end allowed to fray. Like the survivors of waco and other vicious state sponsored acts of tyranny. Such a horrible nation this has become,. _______ Their are only two kinds of americans left in the USA those opposed to the tyranny and those that are wrong. Resist propaganda, Support strict constitutional adherence!
Thanks! Phillip Marshalls last tweets: Looks like he was trying to get a message out, not check out... https://twitter.com/thebigbamboozle
https://twitter.com/thebigbamboozle Yeah but it was the wrong message. There were no hijackers, they were just the ones blamed for 9/11. Now they might have been planning on doing some terrorist activity, but they weren't planning on killing themselves in the process. Some of the so-called "hijackers" that supposedly died on the plane are alive and well and have told people they have never even been to the USA before. God is always good!
how many reasons could there be? It would be easy for a jogger, for example, to have scaled the little hill from the dirt road and gone to work, no car required. Thank you :-) Hey, welcome to 4um! It looks like you also post at RPF as "Peace Piper" I also post there under the same screen name as here. God is always good!
Just one. Because it was a potential threat to the assassin(s). _______ Their are only two kinds of americans left in the USA those opposed to the tyranny and those that are wrong. Resist propaganda, Support strict constitutional adherence!
a few years ago a ca senator tried a referendum to abolish the car tax forever ("becauuse we shopuldnt be taxed on property we already own") it fsiled to even get enough sigs to get on the ballot. Unreal.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
If we owned it (really owned it) they wouldn't even have any authority to tax it or vote on whether to tax it. They own it all - INCLUDING YOU. We should all be livid. Stop acting like docile, mentally castrated pussies and grow a pair. It's time to get in their face. Why should we speak in hushed tones and act all polite when we are being raped every day?
Sounds like the same MO as this most recent incident. Having listened to Mr. Marshall's last interview with John B. Wells, it's obvious he was on a mission to expose the 9-11 fraud. Whether or not he got it right, he was a truther, and he's dead. (murdered / suicided). Something that Mr. Marshall discovered must have upset or threatened the intel goons that wound up killing him and his two innocent chidren. (If the Sheriff/Local Police have been compromised by these thugs we'll never know the truth). The big question is how many sheriffs across the country are supporting the CIA. In the interview with John B. Wells he discusses being the right hand man of (Adler) Barry Seal back in the day. When Barry was gunned down in New Orleans, Seal’s wife was said to have found George Bush’s private phone number in Seal’s wallet. The bottom feeding Bush clan can usually be found at the bottom of black-ops wet operations from JFK to OKC to WTC I to 9-11. The Bush family will need their Paraguayan homestead if Americans ever realize the damage these cocksuckers have orchestrated. The CIA and MOSSAD likely used the Saudis (all intelligence friends of George H. W. Bush) to pull off 9-11. There exists a rogue element of murdering scum that have the ability to finance, trade in weapons / drugs, operate with complete government protection, use national security as cover, and murder anyone anytime with impunity. These rogues are working for the international banking cabal. In America, the Bush family has been instrumental to the banker's efforts to destroy the core fundamentals that make up the fabric of a strong and moral America. No punishment regardless of how extreme is too harsh for the Bush family. We should all be livid. Stop acting like docile, mentally castrated pussies and grow a pair. It's time to get in their face. Why should we speak in hushed tones and act all polite when we are being raped every day?
CA home prices start high and go stratospheric from there (except for ghettos).
Oh stop that and just admit that you were incorrect. You aren't saving any face by insisting your right in spite of the evidence in front of all our screens. _______ Their are only two kinds of americans left in the USA those opposed to the tyranny and those that are wrong. Resist propaganda, Support strict constitutional adherence!
You folks want a true ( imho) black ops story to sink your teeth into? I got one and is it a doozie! - it's developing in SoCal as we speak. Short and quick scrapper personal opinionated summary: Cop snitch ( who appears to have a volatile personality with a grudge against Caucasians based on childhood experiences - thank you libtards for busing)is shafted by the LAPD for telling the truth about police brutality. His career is ruined so he decides to take revenge against all those associated with the case. The suspect posts a Manifesto giving the background for why he decided to go on a murder spree, killing 3 people and critically wounding others. Then a second so called "uncensored" Manifesto starts making the rounds on the 'net. This "uncensored" Manifesto includes several pro gun-control paragraphs. My guess - this cop has been killed and the LAPD and Homeland Security see a tragedy that should not go to waste... 1. Here's the CBS news summary with a photo of the suspect: www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_...hunt-for-ex-lapd-officer/ 2. Here's the first Manifesto: hiphopandpolitics.wordpre...esto-exposing-corruption/ 3. Here's the so-called "uncensored" second Manifesto with pro gun-control paragraphs added:
I'm watching Fox New Channel right now where the news in relaying bits and pieces on this story about a manhunt for this former LAPD who suddenly just snapped. More on this later but I don't have a clue what the hell is going on. New conference developing as I write this. Waiting for LAPD Chief of Police to speak.
Stop it. Wudidiz posted a story about a dead 911 truther that stinks of foul play. He did not post about the housing market that you can't grasp He did not post about killer cops and their crazy manifestos. He did not post about anything you are attempting to distract us with. IF you are not going to post something relevant to the topic at hand do us all the favor your mommy should of taught as a child and just remain silent instead. _______ Their are only two kinds of americans left in the USA those opposed to the tyranny and those that are wrong. Resist propaganda, Support strict constitutional adherence!
You aren't saving any face by insisting your right in spite of the evidence in front of all our screens. a. I am correct. b. You and most other 4um posters do not live in CA. You are clueless about this state's "unique" ( ie crazy) real estate market. Even after the real estate down turn, CA's housing prices are comparatively high to other states. Maybe in your state a home valued at $300,000 - $500,000 is considered upscale and luxurious. That is not the case in CA. It's all about location, location, location.
b. You and most other 4um posters do not live in CA. You are clueless about this state's "unique" ( ie crazy) real estate market. Even after the real estate down turn, CA's housing prices are comparatively high to other states. Maybe in your state a home valued at $300,000 - $500,000 is considered upscale and luxurious. That is not the case in CA. It's all about location, location, location. Christ you have no fucking clue about me or most other 4um members.... and you have been a registered member here how many muthafuggin years? WTF ? Do you drink? Is that why you can not remember who we are or where we live? I swear to god you are acting just as bad as FormerLurker or RickyJ 300 to 500 is the price of an average home in most parts of the union these days. And that has nothing to do with the story you are hell bent on distracting the conversation from. WHY ARE YOU ATTEMPTING TO DERAIL THE CONVERSATION OF THE 911 TRUTH THAT WAS MURDERED BY THE STATE! PEOPLE CAN YOU SEE THE DISINFORMATIONALISTS IN SHEEPS CLOTHING YET!!!!??? They post in very specific manners on very select topics in an effort to control the topic of conversation... In this case scrapper2 would like you to talk about anything AND I MEAN ANYTHING but the topic at hand.... A very serious topic for most all of us. A 911 truther was murdered by the state. They murdered his children too and blamed him for it. This could be you. This could be me. We are truthers, organizers, activists, And their are moles in our midst.... Let us discuss and investigate our fallen brother. Not the price of tea in china. _______ Their are only two kinds of americans left in the USA those opposed to the tyranny and those that are wrong. Resist propaganda, Support strict constitutional adherence!
You are revealing yourself as being either a stupid person or very stupid person. Btw - this is not your blog - so you are in no position to give me orders. The so called "distraction" - in your giant brained opinion - is a real news story with quite a few sub-text plot lines, not a Coast to Coast tin foil hat conspiracy. But if you'd rather prattle on about how Murphy's is an upscale town, be my guest. I will post the SoCal story as a main news article so wud's thread is not "violated" by real news.
Please fucking do . You spent a whole lot of superfluous words and needless effort talking about some bullshit you planning on doing instead of just doing it. _______ Their are only two kinds of americans left in the USA those opposed to the tyranny and those that are wrong. Resist propaganda, Support strict constitutional adherence!
No more guessing. It is quite apparent that you are the very stupid variety. Uppercase, underscore, profanity are dead give-away's. See you around, enraged kook.
Uppercase, underscore, profanity are dead give-away's. See you around, enraged kook. Here we go again... All you do is talk about doing stuff but you have no real intent to do anything other than what you are doing which is acting as a distractor and disruptor on this , the most serious news story here at the moment. THIS STORY IS ABOUT THE LIFE AND DEATH OF PHILLIP MARSHAL A 911 TRUTHER! MURDERED AND FRAMED BY THE GOD FORSAKEN STATE Scrapper, if you won't say anything to the effect of the topic stop attempting to derail it! _______ Their are only two kinds of americans left in the USA those opposed to the tyranny and those that are wrong. Resist propaganda, Support strict constitutional adherence!
Very true but zipcodes takes priority. When I was sitting in a Finance class many years ago, a classmate of mine who worked in the banking industry stated that location is not so much the issue as zipcodes are because zipcodes play a crucial role for loan officers when making determinations on redlining certain areas. Redlining focuses not so much on ethnicity but on income. Areas that are redlined refer to income levels less than $75K per year. These are the poverty-lined areas to which loan officers are cautious about when granting loans.
Tune in here. http://www.myfoxla.com/category/239379/live-newscast-feed Last I checked online Fox L.A. live newscast said he may be somewhere in Big Bear and perhaps a car fitting his description which is on fire may be related to him.
I just posted the surface MSM story on the Main page. I will subsequently post cut and paste from the 2nd so-called "uncensored" Manifesto, wherein this cop veers off into the tall grass and advocates gun control.
I saved the uncensored Manifesto in case it gets scrubbed off the internet.
Bump!
lmao You mean like on the tv? That real news? That reality? I wonder what he found. What happened? Was their a sandy hook flaw so obvious and bad? I can not believe it could be anything 911 related. Too much time has passed for public relevancy. Sandy hook is still fresh and so full of flaws I don't understand why people buy this Malarky.... It maybe that he found nothing special at all but rather the government just had it out for one of their own that crossed the line. Sigh..... Their is a lesson here. Web cams are cheap and easy to install and if phill here had some we would have his assailants on camera. Then again being ex CIA and Ex DEA./.. he may of had his home already wired.. _______ Their are only two kinds of americans left in the USA those opposed to the tyranny and those that are wrong. Resist propaganda, Support strict constitutional adherence!
I think so, otherwise there'd be a lot more truthers killing their families and themselves and their dogs. Not necessarily in that order. Web cams are cheap and easy to install and if phill here had some You can consider that a compliment. You aren't acting bad, but you do seem to think there is no possibility that those making a 200G+ a year might actually choose to live inland. The majority may indeed live near the coast making that much, but that doesn't mean they all do. God is always good!
last year i was in OKC waiting in line at a restaurant at 2am. 4 cops walked in & i started chatting about Yeakey.One of the older cops knew "Terry".i mentioned the shady circustances of his death & he knodded & shook his head & you couldve heard crickets "Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
I lived in San Diego for 20 years and could have lived anywhere I wanted to live. I wouldn't want to live on the coast because it's cloudy and wet all of the time. I lived inland (Ramona, Ca., AKA Valley of the Sun) because it was sunny most days from early morning until dark. At night the sky was clear and the stars were very bright. I wouldn't live on the coast if it were less expensive. We should all be livid. Stop acting like docile, mentally castrated pussies and grow a pair. It's time to get in their face. Why should we speak in hushed tones and act all polite when we are being raped every day?
Lots of suspect statements and details there. I listened to the whole 2.5 hours of the video you posted and he seemed quite a bit in-step with the official spin of hijackers and a plane strike at the Pentagon, despite asserting that an experienced pilot like himself probably couldn't have hit it so luckily. Yes and the gun enthusiast was Keith Ratliff; reportedly a business partner at FPSRussia and producer of their YouTube channel. I think that's weird too. This article addresses claims made about him that might have been bogus and vengeance driven. Doesn't say he was convicted of any charges: Sacto 9-1-1 Father in Murphys murder-suicide had previous arrest for battery In November 2008, Phillip Marshall filed a crime report against his estranged wife for burglary. In December 2008, Sean Marshall and her sister, Erin Chamberlain, filed a complaint with the Sheriff's Office against Phillip Marshall for battery. According to reports, sheriff's officials said, Phillip Marshall became involved in an argument with Chamberlain outside Sean Marshall's residence in Murphys. The argument reportedly stemmed from Phillip Marshall wanting to see his daughter, Macaila. During the argument, Phillip Marshall allegedly slapped Chamberlain in the face. He was arrested and booked into the Calaveras County jail on suspicion of battery, disturbing the peace, and making annoying or harassing phone calls. Alex and Macaila Marshall were students at Bret Harte High School in Angels Camp. Sort of a sidenote about Calaveras County: The Celebrated Jumping Frog of Calaveras County Uploaded on Jun 20, 2007 by TheBookey Mark Twain's famous story about betting on a frog jump. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
At 1:01:23 and approx. 1:22:00 of the Coast to Coast video that noone222 posted, Philip Marshall talks about Prince Bandar Bush and funding by him through Riggs Bank. He mentions too that Bandar Bush is/was from the same hometown as alleged Flt. 77 hijacker-pilot on 9/11, Hani Hanjour. Like Philip Marshall, Bandar Bush was involved in Iran Contra. There was some discussion here about him months ago because he is/was suspected to have been assissinated; also about his nickname being Bandar Bush because of his close ties with the Bush family. [Ref. 4um Title: Bandar Bush Dead? - Total Media Blockade Bandar bin Sultan - Wikipedia During the Reagan presidency, he secured the purchase of AWACs surveillance aircraft despite opposition from the American Israel Public Affairs Committee. [7] After the United States rejected an arms order, he arranged the delivery of intermediate-range nuclear-warhead-capable missiles from China.[7] This angered the Central Intelligence Agency and the United States Department of State.[7] He was exposed for his involvement in the Iran-Contra scandal. He had arranged $32 million in Saudi financing for the Nicaraguan Contras.[3] Bandar bin Sultan returned to Saudi Arabia weeks prior to the death of King Fahd, upon which Bandar's father, Sultan bin Abdul-Aziz, became the nation's Crown Prince. It was rumored that Bandar's return was timed in order to secure a position in the new government.[14] He was succeeded as ambassador by Turki al Faisal. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
That was a very interesting part of the interview. But he claims the pilots were trained at a CIA airbase in AZ. This was interesting as well, considering what happened-- @1:44:28 "...you really don't have any security when you have so many people that have access to your personal whereabouts..." and @2:15:42 "...and then we have to push together and I'm going to dedicate-you know- maybe the next 5 years, 10 years, whatever..." Doesn't sound like someone that would shoot himself and his kids a year later, but of course lots can happen in a year. I'm guessing if he actually did shoot himself and his kids and dog, he was on SSRI antidepressants, which have been documented to cause *exactly* that kind of behavior. US National Institutes of Health: Antidepressants and Violence-problems at the Interface of Medicine & Law
{blah blah blah} WHY ARE YOU ATTEMPTING TO DERAIL THE CONVERSATION OF THE 911 TRUTH THAT WAS MURDERED BY THE STATE! PEOPLE CAN YOU SEE THE DISINFORMATIONALISTS IN SHEEPS CLOTHING YET!!!!??? Let's see. Your first post on this thread (post 11) takes a cheap shot at me, where you say "You assume too much from so little to make such grand pronouncements" in regards to me saying this was most likely a state approved hit. THEN you hurl insults at scrapper because he's basically agreeing with you, saying that the location wasn't upscale as described in the article. And THEN you pull me and Ricky into your flame fest, saying that we are guilty of acting "bad". Are you schizo or something, or just being an ass as usual? I can't see how people who are sworn to protect and serve the Constitution of the United States could let that assassination slide, along with all the other highly obvious false "suicides". you've got to pick up every stitch...
"I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it." - William S Burroughs
Hippies, sunbeams, rabbits... "I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it." - William S Burroughs
When I first read anything from William Cooper he claimed that he worked for Naval Intelligence during the Vietnam war and had viewed documents proving alien encounters with government officials. He referred to the Majestic-12 documents as Majesty-12, not Majestic. It was still MJ-12 though. He went on in later years to other versions of what he had done in Naval Intelligence. In the beginning though he claimed that we had bases on the Moon and on Mars. I don't know which parts of his stories were true, or had some amount of truth. Till the "boys in blue" or whatever other color they choose to wear while claiming to "enforce the law" decide to grow a pair and go after the real bad guys, instead of busting teenagers for tobacco possession and shooting up their houses and killing their pets just because they were scared for their lives, I see them mostly as vermin. Hell, did you see what the brave boys over in LA did recently? They shot up two cars that simply LOOKED like that guy's car, the guy who killed a couple of cops the other day. Two innocent people were injured, one seriously. And they want to take OUR guns away? Thanks for your reply. He said something in the video about bin Laden being depicted as both tall and shorter. Depending on what article was being referenced, so was Ahmad Shah Massoud, aka the Lion of Panjshir, said to have been assassinated on 9-9-2001. If his name was spelled one way in a websearch, he was decribed as unusually tall. Spelled another way, he was described as short.
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Warren Buffett still likes Omaha. “The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken That's the way it is in CA. Ocean and proximity to ocean is everything. While America has been preoccupied with the latest "gun show" (Dorner) in Commie gun-grabber Feinstein's state of California: Map pic at Kirwan article: Questioning America Without Constitutional-Law [Excerpts] Americans now face the same kind of fascistically lawless conditions, a full one-hundred miles BEFORE Americans can even get to a U.S. Border. This effectively reduces the size of the country and intensifies a new war-zone in this 100-mile-wide zone. The new LAWLESS American cities are NO LONGER AMERICAN CITIES. What this change means has not yet dawned on the public. This was designed to give these traitors a protected-zone to supposedly bring in troops (UN-NATO or otherwise), to do what they cannot do without this CRIMINALLY-ENFORCED-TREASON. This way they can have full control of all the ports and all the major cities near what used to be the borders of the United States. The United States Constitutional Free-Zone Anchorage, Juno, Seattle, Tacoma, Portland, Salem, Eugene Medford, Eureka, Redding, Sacramento, Stockton, San Francisco, San Jose, Salinas, Fresno, Bakersfield, Oxnard, Los Angeles, Long Beach, (Except for the Port of Long Beach that belongs to Red China)* Riverside, Oceanside, San Diego, Honolulu, Hilo, Yuma, Tucson, Serra Vista, Los Cruces, El Paso, Alpine, Del Rio, Laredo, San Antonia, McAllen, Brownsville, Corpus Christi, Victoria, Houston, Beaumont, Lafayette, Baton Rouge, New Orleans, Mobil, Duluth, Tallahassee, Tampa, St. Petersburg, Cape Coral, Miami, Ft. Lauderdale, West Palm Beach, Palm Bay, Orlando, Gainesville, Jacksonville, Valdosta, Savannah, Augusta, Charleston, Columbia, Wilmington, Fayetteville, Raleigh, Greenville, Virginia Beach, Lynchburg, Virginia Beach, Norfolk, Richmond, Washington D.C. Dover, Baltimore, Philadelphia, New York, Allentown, Bridgeport, Hartford, Providence, Boston, Manchester, Portland, Bangor, Syracuse, Rochester, Buffalo, Erie, Cleveland, Akron, Pittsburg, Columbus, Toledo, Detroit, Traverse City, Grand Rapids, Fort Wayne, Chicago, Milwaukee, Sheboygan, Green Bay, Marquette, Duluth, Grand Forks, Minot, Glasgow, Havre, Shelby, Spokane. So what’s this all about? “According to this breaking story from Wired, the Department of Homeland Security's 'Watchdog' has given the OK for the 'suspicionless' seizure of electronic devices along the borders of America. According to the map above from the ACLU, this includes a 100 mile perimeter along the entire border of the United States of America. First, read this from Wired then take a look at the ACLU map. DHS Watchdog OKs 'Suspicionless' Seizure of Electronic Devices Along Border Threat Level - Wired.com ============ Then they came for the computers in all of our border states. But I didn't speak up yet because I'm not a computer. I'm a poster and that's the news. Edited sentence 1 for spelling. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
This bit of speculation hasn't been posted yet and it's quite interesting: Former airline pilot Phillip (alternately, “Philip”) Marshall spent a great deal of time around Santa Barbara last year preparing for the release of his controversial 9/11 conspiracy book “The Big Bamboozle: 9/11 and the War on Terror.” During the editing and pre-marketing process of Marshall’s book, he expressed some degree of paranoia because the nonfiction work accused the George W. Bush administration of being in cahoots with the Saudi intelligence community in training the hijackers who died in the planes used in the attacks. “Think about this,” Marshall said last year in a written statement, “The official version about some ghost (Osama bin Laden) in some cave on the other side of the world defeating our entire military establishment on U.S. soil is absolutely preposterous.” Marshall went on to say: “The true reason the attack was successful is because of an inside military stand-down and a coordinated training operation that prepared the hijackers to fly heavy commercial airliners. We have dozens of FBI documents to prove that this flight training was conducted California, Florida and Arizona in the 18 months leading up to the attack.” The veteran pilot confided that he was concerned about his 10-year, independent 9/11 study and most recent book since they pointed to the Saudis and the Bush intelligence community as the executioners of the attack that defeated all U.S. military defenses on Sept. 11, 2001. Marshall said he knew his book might cause some people to take issue with him... "...“After an exhaustive 10-year study of this lethal attack that used Boeing airliners filled with passengers and fellow crew members as guided missiles, I am 100 percent convinced that a covert team of Saudi intelligence agents was the source of logistical, financial and tactical resources that directed essential flight training to the 9/11 hijackers for 18 months before the attack,” Marshall wrote. “This conclusion was determined six years ago and all subsequent evidence has only served to confirm this conclusion.” On March 1, two former U.S. senators, who headed separate 9/11 federal investigations, also raised the possibility of Saudi involvement in the attacks that killed 3,000 people and spurred the global War on Terror. In sworn statements that seem likely to reignite the debate, former senators Bob Graham and Bob Kerrey, who saw top-secret information on the Saudis’ activities, said they believe that the Saudi government played a direct role in the terrorist attacks. “I am convinced that there was a direct line between at least some of the terrorists who carried out the Sept. 11 attacks and the government of Saudi Arabia,” former Senator Bob Graham said in an affidavit filed as part of a lawsuit brought against the Saudi government and dozens of institutions in the country by families of 9/11 victims and others. Graham headed a 2002 joint congressional inquiry into the attacks and has claimed he was muzzled into silence about his committee’s findings in 2002 by former Vice President Dick Cheney and other top members of the Bush intelligence community.... Comments Phil's Friend February 7, 2013 at 2:24 pm # I was a lifelong friend of Mr. Marshall, we went to High School together in Mandeville La. We have been in contact over the years and he is the last person to commit suicide much less kill the children he adored. Right now it is being spun that he was despondent over his divorce or money problems even bringing up the altercation he had with his wife’s sister to show he was somehow unbalanced.. He was separated from his wife for years and if I am correct his divorce was finalized. He never wore a wedding ring and dated other women. His exwife lived in Murphys away from the subdivision he lived in. They found his wedding ring sitting on top of the bullets for the glock making it look like he took it off before he shot his kids and himself. To me this is the tell. This is obviously a hit. Also he was on medical disability from United and was not hurting for money. I was last with him in late December to watch a Saints game with him at my home and he was great. He was telling me that I would not believe what would be in his next book concerning 9/11. I guess he was right. The fool that killed this man and his kids obviously did not know him very well. Em18966 February 7, 2013 at 8:30 pm # Watch your back, Phil’s friend, if you know too much. If you feel safe doing so, I’d personally appreciate hearing info not spun by the mainstream media on this story, because it obviously doesn’t add up…why shoot the dog? That is the biggest clincher for me. The only reason for the shooter to shoot the dog would be if the shooter was not familiar with the dog, which screams of a hit… The Big Bamboozle February 7, 2013 at 8:39 pm # Hello, I am sorry for our mutual friends loss Could you please contact me to discuss this further. This is a secure way of emailing me https://privacybox.de/thebigbamboozle.msg Phil's Friend February 8, 2013 at 10:47 am # Before this tragedy happened I was also one of those who followed the principle of “Occams Razor” in that the simplest explanation is the most accurate. At face value this looks like a murder-suicide. However those that really knew this man know that there is more to this story. He had been separated from his wife for several years and he was trying to help her get a import business going which is why she was out of touch in Turkey. She was using his flight privleges as a United pilot to fly to Turkey at litlle or no cost. He had been supporting herduring this separation period and saw this as a way for her to get on her feet be independent so he would not have to continually support her. Before their marriage she was a skilled buyer for Nordstrom and he was encouraging her to use this skill. Also I noticed in one of the comments that “the final control over the wife he lost control over”. Again anyone that knew this man would know that the very last thing he cared was having control over people. He was a loving parent that was guiding his kids never controlling. He was an accomplished pilot who was joe cool the one you want flying your plane because he would not get excited in emergency situations. As for the ring on the bullets that I mentioned above this was told to Phil’s family by the sheriffs office. To them it looks like murder suicide. I unfortunately had to tell my young daughter about this and it was very sad. When I told her about the ring on the bullets even she realized that he never wore his ring. She last saw Phil with his wife when she was about 3 or 4 she is now 11. Because of human nature being what it is I do not believe this will be further investigated. Also I will not be making any motions for a investigation of this also. I believe he was killed and maybe it was for the 9/11 research he was doing. I am not willing to put my family or myself in harms way. Sorry but I also will not be contacting anyone online about this for the same reason. I could go on and on about why he did not do this. In the end I have lost a lifelong friend who was a really great guy. Unfortunately people will not know this. I will miss him. Rino February 8, 2013 at 11:43 am # I’m sorry for your loss Phil’s friend. I think not meeting anyone or contacting anyone or emailing anyone even ‘securely’ is a very smart decision on your part!!! Being Phil’s friend someone may be threatened by you or your knowledge about Phil or about you going to the Media and talking about Phil, about stuff and all what you know about his family. For that reason you may also end up on an ‘accident’ or ‘murder suicide’ with your whole family. Personally, I’d never discuss Phil with anyone anywhere, period! But especially strangers and when I hear a talk about Phil, I’d just listen from afar without contributing. If I were you, I would not introduce myself to anyone as Phil’s friend or let anyone know about me because you really don’t know who is who. I’ll not be surprised if the Coroner who will perform their autopsy ends up dead with a sudden illness, car accident or suicide. I’d be careful about talking too much online too, Especially one on one or on ‘private/secure’ emails, beware because knowledge can be dangerous!!!
In an interview that Phil did with Coast 2 Coast's John B. Wells, Marshall discussed his sadness over a fellow pilot's death on 9-11 at Shanksville, PA. This and other statements regarding his 9-11 investigation and book wouldn't lead one to perceive the "suicide and murder" of his children, dog and himself in his future. I think they were all murdered. We should all be livid. Stop acting like docile, mentally castrated pussies and grow a pair. It's time to get in their face. Why should we speak in hushed tones and act all polite when we are being raped every day?
Yes, I already posted a similar article on this subject 02/09. As you note, there did not get much interest because the Dorner story was front stage.
Excellent, thank you and welcome! :) Very interesting and good to see this hasn't been forgotten. I doubt they killed him over his 9/11 musings. None of that hasn't been discussed over and over again by countless others and I don't think he was all that accurate about his suspicions anyway. I mean, it wasn't the Saudis and even if it was it's not like he's the one who started that rumour. But yeah, the thing about the dog. And the ring. Crazy. Interesting information from those claiming to be close friends of his. I'd like to read it if you can point me to the thread. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Thanks. Graham headed a 2002 joint congressional inquiry into the attacks and has claimed he was muzzled into silence about his committee’s findings in 2002 by former Vice President Dick Cheney and other top members of the Bush intelligence community.... I've never done any reading about that specifically (I'm going to now), but what if that is true? Was the *Senator* "muzzled"? And if he was, why isn't this discussed more? All this is, of course, complicated by the fact that there are no real journalists or reporters any more. What if Phillip Marshall had documents no one else has? If Phillip Marshall was a threat does the NDAA authorize his assassination? The more reading I do about this case the more questions arise.
What if Phillip Marshall had documents no one else has? If Phillip Marshall was a threat does the NDAA authorize his assassination? The more reading I do about this case the more questions arise. Looking forward to hearing more about this. In that interview: @1:44:28 "...you really don't have any security when you have so many people that have access to your personal whereabouts..." and @2:15:42 "...and then we have to push together and I'm going to dedicate-you know- maybe the next 5 years, 10 years, whatever..."
Clearly an inconvenient individual.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken and @2:15:42 "...and then we have to push together and I'm going to dedicate-you know- maybe the next 5 years, 10 years, whatever..." Having listened to both interviews and being reminded by your post reinforces my opinion that he and his family were murdered in cold blood. We should all be livid. Stop acting like docile, mentally castrated pussies and grow a pair. It's time to get in their face. Why should we speak in hushed tones and act all polite when we are being raped every day?
I posted it on Sunday night - 02/10 ( I mis-remembered the date). It was the same Wired original source as you posted today. freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/re....cgi?ArtNum=153087&Disp=0 Title: DHS Watchdog OKs ‘Suspicionless’ Seizure of Electronic Devices Along Border Source: Wired 25 views, 0 comments *I take no personal offense at O responses. I will continue to post articles/ my opinions on 4um when I can, because christine gives us all a wonderful gift ( rare these days when political correctness reigns supreme)- an non judgmental platform @ 4um to exercise our free speech rights.*
Amen. “The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken “Think about this,” Marshall said last year in a written statement, “The official version about some ghost (Osama bin Laden) in some cave on the other side of the world defeating our entire military establishment on U.S. soil is absolutely preposterous.” Agreed. [sic] I am 100 percent convinced that a covert team of Saudi intelligence agents was the source of logistical, financial and tactical resources that directed essential flight training to the 9/11 hijackers for 18 months before the attack,” Marshall wrote. References: 2. Coast to Coast Video of Interview with Philip Marshall at Post #39 Behind 9/11 : Whistleblowers Susan Lindhauer & Philip Marshall 02.11.2012 1) 0:38:12-0:38:34 - Hijackers came to LA Jan 15, 2000 and were tracked by FBI for 18 months, most of that time during the last year of Clinton's administration. 2) 1:09:54-1:10:56 - Marshall's info connections that remain in the spook world; has to be very careful about [discussing] that 3) 1:10:57-1:11:46 - secretive airbase: lucrative parts market; various other points of interest through 1:20:42. 4) 2:16:40-2:17:09 - speaks highly of Obama and Holder I get the impression at the 4th listed timestamp coordinates above that Marshall was a Democrat. Also, from his seeming Clinton-amnesia re: the majority of the 18 month period he stresses more than once concerning FBI tracking of the alleged hijackers from their January 15, 2000 point of entry here, referenced at the 1st of the listed timestamp coordinates. The 2nd of the listed timestamp coordinates is where I think he may have been targeted with a hit. Of course, he may have had other info that whoever wanted to squelch but I haven't seen or heard anything highly controversial from him about 9/11. Of particular interest to me, as a 9/11 No Planer, is the lucrative plane parts market info at the 3rd listed timestamp coordinates. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
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Just reading some of the updates at santabarbaravew.com: Phils friend February 9, 2013 at 8:16 pm # Went to memorial for kids today. We had a separate one for Phil afterward. No one: neighbors, family or friends believe he did this. Sorry you folks did not get a chance to know him. From what I understand the investigation is ongoing.j ********************************************** rainbowsally February 10, 2013 at 2:36 am # What the American people (and the people of Calaveras County) deserve are honest, intelligent answers. 1. Did the detectives that offered the “sleeping on a couch” theory comment on an active investigation? If not what were they doing there. 2. Were they “local” deputies? 3. What are the names, specifically, of the deputies that advanced the ‘sleeping on a couch’ theory? The theory: 4. Can the coroner comment on an active investigation? The coroner debunked the deputies’ theory, offering new one. Says it’s a good question as to whether whether or not they may have been drugged because they “appear to have been sleeping”. 5. How does the coroner determine whether or not a corpse had been sleeping before being killed and also acknowledge that a 9 mm glock firing may have awakened one or the other of them? The coroner apparently has been able to dial in the time of death. How does one dial in the time of waking up from a gun shot? In fact as long as we appear to be struggling to make a little sense here, who was most likely killed first, the dog or the people? 6. Are they doing ballistics tests on the bullets fired? Do the bullets in the victims (possibly including the dad) match the weapon found in the house? 7. Will this investigation be handled competently? If the guy looking for work down at EDD can do a better job, why not save a few bucks and replace those who can’t. 8. According to this article, Calloway said the Sheriffs themselves at least at one point had a question as to whether or not this was a triple murder (after the initial deputies’ theory). So, did the Sheriffs call Calloway to ask her opinion on whether this was a murder-suicide or a triple murder or did they not? *********************************** john February 10, 2013 at 1:06 pm # I ask anyone who has the moral fortitude and inner strength to come forward to his defense. If he and his children were murdered, please do not let his/their death be in vain. Please. *********************************** DS Holter February 11, 2013 at 12:56 am # He was on C2C a few weeks before this hit on he and his family. He said then that if anything happened to him, it was not a suicide. He made it very clear *(This should be easy enough to confirm) ********************************** there is more-
Cool nic and great homepage. Glad you joined us here. “The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken This is indeed TREASON. These bums have no authority to do this to anyone. It would be right and just to resist them to the fullest capacity that we are able. ;) "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
I really like the vid on your homepage. I've said all along that it is the psychotropic drugs that the shrinks give to the kids that are to blame for the school shootings. "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
Thanks for the directions. Left a note there. Indeed it is a very wonderful gift. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
I don't understand? Why aren't people trying to arrest the sheriff and his deputies? Seriously. They are covering up a murder. That means they are guilty themselves for all we know they pulled the trigger... maybe they didn't one thing is for sure, they did not investigate this crime properly. Go to there homes, intercept them as they drop off their kids to school, pick them up at the barber BUT ARREST THE LEOs that cover up this crime by claiming murder. Arrest them. _______ Their are only two kinds of americans left in the USA those opposed to the tyranny and those that are wrong. Resist propaganda, Support strict constitutional adherence!
This is indeed TREASON. These bums have no authority to do this to anyone. It would be right and just to resist them to the fullest capacity that we are able. ;) I fully agree and think we have more than enough reasons to remove America's Constitution and our government from the grip of the Treasonous -- similar to how they manuever to remove our rights from us only quicker and more ethically by deeming them Secessionists. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
There is afoot, a new Secessionist movement. I figure, though, that it will go down to defeat. The only way to fight them is by a guerilla war. This would be tough to do, but remember, they did it in Red Dawn, the movie, and were successful. ;) "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
There's no reason for Patriots to secede. It's our nation and our Constitution, not the plunder of the Treasonous. They have seceded from our Constitutional Republic and system of government.
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Second hour of Phillip Marshall on Coast 2 Coast 9/9/12 Poor audio quality, missing first hour. At least the date is established. Nothing really new here, just posting for the record. I have locked facebook out of my computer (127.0.0.1) so I can't research the pages Captain Marshall talks about, maybe someone here is a member and can see what is there. Also, now that the date of the 2nd interview is known, maybe someone can find the first hour. Just trying to clarify if Phillip Marshall said what was posted in #112 above: He was on C2C a few weeks before this hit on he and his family. He said then that if anything happened to him, it was not a suicide. He made it very clear @42:25 Wells: "Say, how much exposure are you and I pulling right now by talking about this? Well Phillip- you were a great American. You tried. Some of us will try not to let you down Here is the link to the page with the .mp3 Audio: Phillip Marshall (pilot) on Coast to Coast on 09/09/12 Save it to disk- we must not let this mans words go down the rathole Edit: the correct date of the interview is 9/8/12. It's available at the Coast 2 Coast website behind a pay wall. Can't buy it now.
Audio: Phillip Marshall (pilot) on Coast to Coast on 09/09/12 Save it to disk- we must not let this mans words go down the rathole Edit: the correct date of the interview is 9/8/12. It's available at the Coast 2 Coast website behind a pay wall. Can't buy it now. Thanks for your efforts. Followed the disc.yourwebapps.com link above that you posted to the bottom of the article there: Then from that link to the top of the page at apfn.org for the mp3 audio file re: the 2nd hour of Phillip Marshall on Coast 2 Coast 9/8/12: Synopsis at coasttocoastam.com on the first hour of that Philip Marshall interview (with access there to both segments for paid memberships): 9-11 Attack & Terrorism Threats - Shows - Coast to Coast AM Date: 09-08-12 Host: John B. Wells Guests: Robert Gleason, Philip Marshall He spoke about the extraordinary skill required to pilot a Boeing 757 at high speeds at low altitude, and to navigate the aircraft to a single building from 270 miles away (distance when hijackers took over the plane). Marshall said he attempted the Washington DC attack himself in a simulator and, despite his 20 years of experience flying Boeing airliners and 15,000 hours of flight time, it took him four tries to hit the Pentagon. "To suggest that this was the first time that guy had ever flown a 757 is absolutely impossible," he stressed. According to Marshall, the 9/11 hijackers were tailed by the FBI from the moment they landed in Los Angeles on January 12, 2000. They learned to fly on small aircraft and simulators then, after George W. Bush became president, started disappearing into the Arizona desert for days at a time, he disclosed. Marshall believes the hijackers were trained at a CIA-operated airport, Pinal Air Park, by a Saudi group from an aviation charter that operated Boeing aircraft. He connected the people in charge of Pinal to Wall Street and ultimately to Dick Cheney, and suggested that President Bush knew enough not to scramble fighters to intercept the hijackers. Edited for spacing. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Lod says that only Texas can legally secede because it is written into their Constitution. I do see your point, though. It IS our government and we should take it back from the plundering banksters who have stolen it from us. ;) "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
finally something new worth posting- "rainbowsally", posting at santabarbaraview.com has dug up some stuff at waynemadsenreport.com that sits behind a pay wall- here's an excerpt: Friends said Marshall was looking for more seclusion. Marshall, who believed that the Bush family, allied with Saudi and neo-conservative interests, pulled off the 9/11 attack to engineer a government coup d'etat, was working on a fourth book that promised to reveal some new blockbuster information. Neighbors and friends of Marshall contradicted a number of Calaveras County Sheriff's Department findings about what they quickly concluded was a murder-suicide by a crazed killer. Furthermore, one close professional colleague of Marshall believed a federal "black ops" team prevailed upon the Sheriff's Department to come up with the rapid murder-suicide explanation. WMR learned from a local media source in Calaveras County that the Sheriff Gary Kuntz is dragging his feet on providing local newspapers with two critical reports: the toxicological report on Marshall's and his son's and daughter's bodies and the GSR (Gunshot Residue) report on the bullets fired from what was reported to be Marshall's 9 mm Glock, which neighbors reported was never loaded. Marshall's body was found at the end of a long hallway leading from the unusually unlocked front door. Neighbors said that if Marshall was responding to a suspicious entry, he would have grabbed his gun from the kitchen and gone toward the door. Neighbors believe that Marshall was shot as he turned into the hallway from the kitchen, which is off the living room space where his children were found shot to death on separate portions of a sectional couch. In addition to the crime scene being investigated by unknown personnel after it was opened to the public, neighbors noticed that a side door of the Marshall home at 1259 Sandalwood Drive in the gated community of Forest Meadows, near Murphys, was unlocked and ajar. Neighbors stated that the door was never opened and hardly used. The Sheriff also stated that no gunshots were heard by neighbors on the evening of January 31 or early morning of February 1 because the houses are far apart. In fact, the houses are extremely close together and one neighbor stated she could "hear Phil whistling from inside his house." Police immediately denied that a silencer or other noise suppression device could have been used in the four shootings that included single shots each to Marshall, son Alex, daughter Macaila, and Shih-tzu dog "Suki," the latter found in a bedroom. One neighbor reported hearing an unusual noise during the evening of January 31, a Thursday. There are pictures at Some links from Sally that I won't have time to look at until later- http://rainbowsally.net/rainbow/poli/docs/PhilipMarshall/Man%20Shoots%20Children%20then%20Himself%20in%20a%20Murder-Suicide.pdf http://rainbowsally.net/rainbow/poli/docs/PhilipMarshall/Update-Correction_on_Murder-Suicide.pdf http://rainbowsally.net/rainbow/poli/docs/PhilipMarshall/PhilipMarshallhitmadetoappearassuicide.pdf Two of the above are press releases from the sheriffs’ dept. and one is kept out of the mainstream for unknown reasons. But the purpose of this post is to demonstrate that it is possible to see this ‘investigation’ in two different lights. You’re going to have to get out and PUSH a little, Murphy. The mud is pretty deep here. This goes back to at least the anti-war days… not just Cheney/Bush. (Ctrl-F and find “Kevin Moran” on this page.) I have finally had time to start to carefully read Phillips blog at It's well worth reading-I'll post some important paragraphs later.
It makes more sense that he and his kids were killed than him going crazy. I don't think he really had any revealing information about 9/11 though, he just thought he did. The Saudi connection to 9/11 is really only there to point the finger of blame at them if the truth starts to come out instead of the real perpetrators of 9/11, Israel and the Mossad/CIA. The planners of 9/11 thought things out very well. They have many ways to avoid being seen as the culprits even if people figure out it was an "inside job."
God is always good!
Epic fail. Even Rummy said it was a missile; though more likely a drone of some sort. Just more of the Dov-zio magic worked on that horrific day. “The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken There are pictures at www.fileden.com/files/201...madetoappearassuicide.pdf Some links from Sally that I won't have time to look at until later- rainbowsally.net/rainbow/...%20a%20Murder-Suicide.pdf “The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken Epic fail. Even Rummy said it was a missile; though more likely a drone of some sort. Just more of the Dov-zio magic worked on that horrific day. Whatever damaged the Pentagon that day, the evidence is that there was no move at any time to go to DEFCON 1 - imminent attack; attack in-process. Even though Marshall suggests that the alleged hijackers received Boeing pilot training and Boeing flying experience at Pinal, that doesn't do much to explain the Pentagon strike-scenario manuevers. Whether those maneuvers were rehearsed beforehand a number of times on a flight simulator or in the air at the risk of malfunction, for each practice attempt the presumption would have to be, imo, that no Military interference and no flight path diversion was assured. Edited last sentence for clarity. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
heads up wayne madsen on alex jones talking about phillip marshall right now http://www.prisonplanet.com/ edit: Wayne Madsen will be on Alex Jones newscast tonight 2/19/13 sometimes Alex's news program can be seen here: or just search Alex Jones Streaming and by the way, here's a fantastic source for TV on your PC
The training (which they failed miserably) was only a cover. Wayne Madsen is now on AJ's program. “The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken That "plane" flew for how long after they knew something was terribly wrong? Not a single picture of that plane released to the public except for the gas station video that doesn't really show a plane? People had cameras on cell phones then. Not a single picture taken by cell phone? The most secured airspace and the most secured building in the world, and not a single photo of the plane in flight. Not sure if Phillip Marshall's entire theory should be thrown out just because he thinks a plane hit the pentagon. Maybe it did. There are good arguments for it after all (I.E. the picture of the "turbine" in the wreckage but the lack of photographs is just utterly unbelievable.
Was listening to the Alex Jones show with Madsen but it shut off. On a sidenote, it's weird how big alternative media sites like Alex Jones', Veterans Today and others are apparently dropping the ball deliberately on exposing Sandy Hook as a PsyOp charade by their seeming deflection from the evidence that Adam Lanza died before the supposed shooting. Edited sentence 1. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Checking with Amazon, The Big Bamboozle, using Prime can be delivered here for $11.68. As much stuff as I order through Amazon, the annual fee for Prime (which means free shipping) is a bargain. “The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken A great benefit of my olde WinXP machine croaking was plugging in the iMac OS X (purchased spring '11) and for some reason connecting at twice the speed of the XP, instant-on for iHeart radio, and all the other internet broadcasts that I listen to. It really is amazing. “The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken a .mpg of his entire show is usually available a few hours after the broadcast here
Apparently he was working on a new book. Hopefully someone can find the manuscripts. That might be interesting. His argument for bringing Kalid Sheik Mohammed (KSM) to trial is very convincing. I think he was shining light on things that were long overlooked or covered up and it just might have made a difference. The excerpts on his blog are rational, fact packed and not widely discussed. I don't think for one second this man killed his kids. This is a crime of the highest order. The more one looks into this the more questions arise.
Epic fail. Even Rummy said it was a missile; though more likely a drone of some sort. Just more of the Dov-zio magic worked on that horrific day. That alone makes me think this guy is either a moron, or is a disinfo agent himself. If he is a disinfo agent, it is possible he and his kids weren't really killed and that he is living undercover somewhere else now. God is always good!
If you actually read the excerpts from his blog here I'm pretty sure the funeral for his kids wasn't faked. Hundreds turned out at The Bret Harte Union High School in Angels Camp, CA to remember Alex and Macaila Marshall, both former San Marcos High School students. Alex and Macaila were killed in the double murder, suicide involving former Hope Ranch pilot and author, Phillip Marshall. Alex and Macaila’s aunt delivered the eulogy while their mom, Sean Marshall, closed the ceremony with emotional remarks. “Being in Turkey and getting the news, it was almost unbearable,” she said. “When I heard of this devastation, there are no words ever to explain the emotions, the hurt, the regrets. I couldn’t hear God at that moment. I couldn’t hear his answers why, why would you do this? Why them? Why me?” Sean concluded, “Hug everyone, love everyone, be kind.” http://www.santabarbaraview.com/alex-and-macaila-marshal-remembered442552/comment-page-1/ If he's Not a "moron" and his kids really died, what then?
obamacide He now decides who lives and who dies, worldwide! “The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken If Phillip Marshall had documents that threatened the present government of the US-- does the NDAA actually authorize his assassination? How did the US get to this point? Let's face it, most of the population deserves a police state and the loss of the Republic. Not all of us, but certainly a majority. I can't begin to describe all the times I've begged and pleaded with my "friends" to pay attention and wake up- the last big example being the Health Insurance Ripoff and Enslavement Act-- but even when told that the Feds were going to Require these numbnuts to actually buy insurance and send in proof to the IRS with their 1040's they yawned and went back to sleep. I can't wait to hear the protests next year, but I've become partially sadistic these days.
No argument there. If you haven't, please read The Law - Fredric Bastait to get a really clear grip on .govs, the governed, and what happens when there's more takers than makers. (We're there) Crystal clear break-down on the subject. “The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken If he thinks a 757 hit the pentagon then he is a moron or disinfo agent, those are the only possibilities, because a 757 most certainly did not hit the pentagon. I am not saying he and his kids weren't killed, but that doesn't mean he couldn't have been putting out disinfo. It could have been to lend credence to his "opinions," to make people think he was on the right track. The elite will do anything to cover their crimes up, including killing their paid disinfo agents. God is always good!
I think it was more likely the Mena related stuff that got him wacked. Although he MIGHT have been talking to the wrong, or maybe the right people concerning 9/11 or other matters, who knows. If anyone could do a deep investigation of what he was up to in the past year before his death, it might point towards the involved parties. It might have nothing to do with anything we know about. Agree. Mena-mention could still have the 'toons whack ya. Seriously. “The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken I'm just curious- have you read his blog? Any chapter? Anything more than what's here? I just heard someone on a radio program bring this up and the host didn't let the caller speak more than 2 sentences about Saudi involvement before he was cut off completely and then the host went on for about 4 minutes saying talk of Saudi involvement was rubbish and the only thing anyone should concentrate on is the Dancing Israelis. And this host likes to think he's open minded...He couldn't evaluate other info- he didn't want to even hear anything that didn't fit what he already "knows" happened. It was pathetic. Hmmm...This get's more interesting literally Every Single Day Edit to add: Many reviews at Amazon are interesting http://www.amazon.com/The-Big-Bamboozle-War-Terror/dp/1468094580 for example: Absolutely A Must Read June 9, 2012 Having read Susan Lindauer's Extreme Prejudice and Sibel Edmonds Classified Woman, I read this astounding, concise and succinct book not once but twice. I knew about the shenanigans of Cheney, Rumsfeld, Pearle, Libby and the rest of the nut bags and their ideological call for an invasion of Iraq in the late 1990's. If you read this short well documented book, you will come away appalled at the conspiracy of Junior, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld and company to recreate another "Pearl Harbor" to further their dream of a new police state. I will remind readers again about the interview in October 1967 in Playboy magazine in which District Attorney Jim Garrison said: "In my own experiences, Fascism is coming to America in the form of National Security". How prescient. Thirty four years later, that is what we have become. Forget the main (lame) stream media, do your own homework. I think Mr. Marshall's call for a trial of KSM is absolutely critical and one has to wonder why the "Intelligence Community" and the extreme right wing fear this trial. We can't try in open court a defeated, tortured man whom the government claims masterminded this horrific crime? I did read Compromised by Terry Read, and Iran-Contra is important to this story. Bush 41 has been running a shadow government for over 30 years. Many of the same players and tactics were used to create 9/11.
found a livestream of infowars nightly news... http://www.livestream.com/INFOWARRIORS Now hopefully Madsen will still be on
Never mind the "Dancing Israelis", did you ever hear of the ones who were caught red-handed on the day of 9/11/2001 near the George Washington Bridge with a ton or so of explosives in a white van? They were held for several months, then released to Israel, no charges filed. I wouldn't say he's running it, but he's certainly a key player. People that he serves are the real puppeteers who play the world like a game for their enjoyment. well said. i've had the same experience, but, hell. we got gay marriage and free healthcare and i'm just a conspiracy theory kook.
Thanks Christine! All: Wayne Madsen: 9/11 author Philip Marshall “suicided” by black ops team_on the Kevin Barrett Show- broadcast February 19, 2013. It is now archived here — Here's some juicy stuff. Should have searched Reddit long ago. The "Phil had no ammo" quote has been identified and sourced. (420 lol) I am/was phil marshall's publicist. I helped him publish his books and was about to republish his expiriences regarding iran/contra.... I really am shocked about this whole thing... I last spoke with him 4 days ago and spent 7 days in the house the crime was comitted in about 2 weeks ago.. I am shocked, I don't believe it... Something is SERIOUSLY FISHY. Until someone can prove to me that this was suicide I refuse to believe that the man whom loved his children so dearly could have done this. He was a dear friend, his children were fantastic, I am at a loss for words.... octagon420 15 days ago I just want to say, information is sparse right now... I promise I will update you guys as things become clearer, but I personally have a hard time believing this.... We had high level contacts in the government, he was reaching out to people overseas and this just DOES NOT MAKE SENSE.. FUUUCK i am devastated.... (octagon420 was asked for proof of his publicist claim--) I will post a random string on his twitter after this post @thebigbamboozle 868gdmzs ... It is sad :( (---->-scroll up this thread to see this tweet in post #53- pretty convincing) octagon420 15 days ago He was convinced he had uncovered the TRUE people behind 9/11 . In his book he identified the training facilities and tactical plan used, I can only imagine at this point he may have gotten things right... We had been in contact with members of the 911 commission recently and foreign nationals.. Last time I spoke with him was 4 days ago and he was in good spirits looking forward to further book publishing and adventures... FFFFUUUUUUUU MikelexLasciatemi cantare sono un italiano 5 points 14 days ago* Deborah Jeane Palfrey the DC madam and 9/11 informant went on Alex Jones show saying she wasn't going to commit suicide, a year later she was found hanging in her garage. octagon420 14 days ago Yes, I was aware he owned the glock. Interestingly he claimed a few weeks ago, when I saw him last, that he didn't own ammunition for it. Don't know if that was a lie or what.. I never saw the gun, however, I had seen the manual in his car and hence the conversation came up. As far as I know he owned a single glock pistol. octagon420 14 days ago Logical conclusion. However, I was shocked to find out and saw the post on /r/conspiracy so I figured I would add some perspective. As per his wishes, I will be open-sourcing one of his books. This was an ongoing project and we were planning on publishing much of his work free to the world anyways, so there goes you financial motivator.... octagon420 14 days ago Yes, the human mind is a complex thing, I am not going to pretend I could understand it. One way or another, this was unexpected... octagon420 15 days ago Yes, I suspect I will be haunted by this for the rest of my life... We will never truly know what happened... All I know is that in a TRILLION years, I would have never expected something like this from him... Just. Doesn't. Compute. octagon420 15 days ago All I can say is WTF!! I can't imagine this happened, he LIVED for his kids, he would have never harmed them... More at link: Phil and Barry Seal's Cocaine Lear Jet One more thing- I can't remember where I saw/ heard the quote but it makes tons of sense: Phillip Marshall lived for football, we are told. He would commit suicide and kill his kids a few days before the super bowl? Just another Hmmmm... Meanwhile- What can a single person do? Whether you think Phillip Marshall was guilty or not, the killings deserve a full investigation. Please consider contacting the California Attorney General here http://oag.ca.gov/ and politely ask for a state investigation. It's the least we can do for Phillip and the truth.
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No one, and I mean no gov agency is ever, ever going to investigate a cia-fedgov hit. It is up to private citizens to try and bring the facts to light. Thank you for all that you've posted here - nice digging, lod “The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken It is up to private citizens to try and bring the facts to light. Thank you for all that you've posted here - nice digging, lod Cele Castillo tried. He's out you know. He was released some time last year I believe. Good men ..... we need more of them. __ Their are only two kinds of americans left in the USA those opposed to the tyranny and those that are wrong. Resist propaganda, Support strict constitutional adherence!
I'm reading "The Big Bamboozle" as of today. My local librarian got me a copy. I listened to 2 separate interviews that Mr. Marshall did on Coast 2 Coast ... he was pragmatic, intelligent, and on a mission. They killed him. The Bush cabal have had the Saudis acting as contract agents since the OKC Bombing. We should all be livid. Stop acting like docile, mentally castrated pussies and grow a pair. It's time to get in their face. Why should we speak in hushed tones and act all polite when we are being raped every day?
Thanks! I've got to stop and do some F'n work!- this is a fascinating case and the net makes it so easy to chase leads. What did we ever do before?? Every time I read something or do a new search new things turn up. Wow. This is a conspiracy theorists conspiracy theory! And just looking at those kids faces...well...what-for once I'm speechless- If Phillip Marshall killed those kids I want to know. But if we have hit squads running around killing families that's a whole 'nother thing. Argentina here we come! Anyway...heh...I just found this- nothing big but more ...uh...ammo? (sorry) Saudi involvement in 9/11 Capt. Phil Marshall asks why there is no mention of the Suadi Arabian Government involvement in the 9/11 plot. (2min)
can't wait to hear what you think!
Personally, I don't believe that the Saudis are smart enough to do anything other than write huge checks and offer up their moronic young men as stooges for our FF-ops. If you haven't read it already, check out House of Bush, House of Saud for more revelations that go back decades and decades. “The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken I'm waiting for "Bush, the CIA and Mafia" ... it should be here soon. I'll check out "The House of Bush, House of Saud" ... We should all be livid. Stop acting like docile, mentally castrated pussies and grow a pair. It's time to get in their face. Why should we speak in hushed tones and act all polite when we are being raped every day?
I'd like to hear the interview that Madsen did with Jones or anyone else on this topic. Have I ever mentioned that I hate the fucking feds. I'm reading the Big Bamboozle because I think the planes were flown by remote control - and the A-RABS were thinking they were passengers when they were only patsies. (I don't have to agree with Mr. Marshall to appreciate his work. And, he may be correct). I didn't think a plane actually crashed at Shanksville, however Marshall stated that he lost a pilot friend in that crash on 9-11. Who knows ... When I was in the AIR FARCE we were training the Saudis to fly T-38s. We should all be livid. Stop acting like docile, mentally castrated pussies and grow a pair. It's time to get in their face. Why should we speak in hushed tones and act all polite when we are being raped every day?
My short take - Zero arabs were on any flights. 93 was shot down in flight (the wreckage path was 8 miles for ....sake!) Zero airliner hit the pentagon - that's just insane. The WTC complex was brought down by controlled demolition and whatever aircraft flew into I and II were remote controlled craft via the Pentagon plunderer (2.3T) gone missing, Dov Zakheim mastermind/executioner deluxe. “The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken That puts a differnt spin on it for me... As a "no planer" , God knows if all is thus offical public truth as stated... well .. MY speculation would be that after SandyHoax...perhaps Marshall might of been getting ready to talk about the media manipulation matrix... That would be a big deal.. big enough to merit this roman style villiany.. Thank you for share that noone222 __ Their are only two kinds of americans left in the USA those opposed to the tyranny and those that are wrong. Resist propaganda, Support strict constitutional adherence!
Zero arabs were on any flights. 93 was shot down in flight (the wreckage path was 8 miles for ....sake!) Zero airliner hit the pentagon - that's just insane. The WTC complex was brought down by controlled demolition and whatever aircraft flew into I and II were remote controlled craft via the Pentagon plunderer (2.3T) gone missing, Dov Zakheim mastermind/executioner deluxe. Our thoughts are alike. I, like you, don't think the planes could disintegrate the towers - even if some arabs could manage to pilot them accurately. Marshall thinks that these Saudis entered the U.S. in January, 2000 and were immediately assisted by Saudi expatriates and others such as the Saudi Ambassador to Washington, FBI high level informants, as well as rogue elements within Bush' Administration. He doesn't hesitate to point the finger at Darth Cheney as a critical player. I heard Marshall say in an interview on Coast 2 Coast that he thinks Saudi Trainers had plenty of time to have trained the arabs to do the job they (allegedly) carried out on 9-11. We should all be livid. Stop acting like docile, mentally castrated pussies and grow a pair. It's time to get in their face. Why should we speak in hushed tones and act all polite when we are being raped every day?
We should all be livid. Stop acting like docile, mentally castrated pussies and grow a pair. It's time to get in their face. Why should we speak in hushed tones and act all polite when we are being raped every day?
Wayne Madsen: 9/11 author Philip Marshall “suicided” by If you have a media downloader type extension you can download it too.
The whole video is fascinating but skip to 11:50 through 18:05 first for relevance then start over from the beginning. Is it an April Fools joke? Something for a movie? A practice session? I've never seen anything like that 6 minutes before...Even back in the days when satellite dishes were new and lots of things went up to the sky that shouldn't have. Or maybe I'm just looking at it wrong. Edit: looking at the 6 minute "Saudi Arabia" segment again, sometimes there is very clearly no satellite delay when the anchor is speaking with the bloke "in the field". Surely if they were going to fake this they would insert a ~1 or 2 second delay?
Something hit the pentagon. What do you think it was? Very well possible since the remote tech to control Boeing aircraft has been around since 1984 Passing the decision height of 150 feet (46 m) above ground level (AGL), the aircraft turned slightly to the right of the desired path. The aircraft entered into a situation known as a Dutch Roll. Slightly above that decision point at which the pilot was to execute a "go-around", there appeared to be enough altitude to maneuver back to the center-line of the runway. The aircraft was below the glideslope and below the desired airspeed. Data acquisition systems had been activated, and the aircraft was committed to impact. It contacted the ground, left wing low, at full throttle, with the aircraft nose pointing to the left of the center-line.
Something hit the pentagon. What do you think it was? Not necessarily. It could have been explosives in the building timed to detonate with the close overshoot of the plane which made many with not a good view of the "impact" site think that the plane hit the building. God is always good!
Thanks for that link ... interesting interview. Something that seems to go unnoticed is just how large the CIA actually is. I don't think it can be destroyed because it's a secret society with murder as its mission and international bankers for bosses.
We should all be livid. Stop acting like docile, mentally castrated pussies and grow a pair. It's time to get in their face. Why should we speak in hushed tones and act all polite when we are being raped every day?
It was a hit all right. A direct hit on the auditors who were trying to determine where 2.3T went missing. Rummy said that a missile struck the pentagon: it would have to have had bunker-buster capability to penetrate as it did, or maybe the recent remodeling/reinforcing was when the demo-charges were set. Whatever it was, it was no commercial airplane. “The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken Phillip Marshall must have been a smart man to be a pilot. They don't let dummies in there, but geniuses don't usually gravitate to flying planes either. Not usually. I wonder if Howard Hughes would have thought a plane hit the pentagon. I don't. I think the chance of them showing a video of a plane hitting it if it actually did is approaching 100%. Bingo! Instead, the feebs were on site in seconds collecting every tape that they could find. “The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken Post #124 by Aquila: "rainbowsally", posting at santabarbaraview.com has dug up some stuff at waynemadsenreport.com that sits behind a pay wall- here's an excerpt: Pic at Post #150 by Aquila: Phil and Barry Seal's Cocaine Lear Jet Wayne Madsen: 9/11 author Philip Marshall “suicided” by black ops team_on the Kevin Barrett Show - audio and transcript; more on Barry Seal, etc. MADSEN: Baton Rogue, 19…February 19th in 1986. BARRETT: Right. And Barry Seal had been a CIA drug pilot. This was part of the Cocaine-for-the-Contras thing that Olly North and probably George H.W. Bush, [were] smuggling cocaine with the CIA to support the Contra insurgency in Nicaragua. And then Barry Seal got gunned down in Baton Rogue after he had [just turned] state’s evidence against, guess who, his own lawyer, Richard Ben-Veniste, who later served on the 9/11 Commission. Very interesting tie-ins here. [sic] BARRETT [at 47:21]: ...Now I wonder if, at some point, there shouldn’t be a reform in the justice system when a dead person is blamed for a crime, they…a good lawyer should defend that person, and they should have to convict him in court. That would make it a lot harder for these organized crime elements to stage these murder-suicides. MADSEN: Absolutely. Absolutely. Edited for spacing and Wikipedia link correction. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Now this is just brilliant! Simply because you're dead, should not mean that you don't get your day in court. This is the most amazing thought/idea that I've seen in a long while. “The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken Behind 9/11 : Whistleblowers Susan Lindhauer & Philip Marshall 02.11.2012 4) 2:16:40-2:17:09 - speaks highly of Obama and Holder I get the impression at the 4th listed timestamp coordinates above that Marshall was a Democrat. Top Obama czar: Infiltrate all ‘conspiracy theorists’ - You Are The Movement In the 30-page paper – obtained and reviewed by WND – Sunstein argues the best government response to “conspiracy theories” is “cognitive infiltration of extremist groups.” Vermeule Prefix Ver - Truth Edited to correct last link and for spacing. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Now this is just brilliant! Simply because you're dead, should not mean that you don't get your day in court. This is the most amazing thought/idea that I've seen in a long while. I agree. Way to go, Kevin Barrett! ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Now that Marshall's address has been published in the above LEO press releases here is google earth again showing his exact house from 2 elevations-(There is no street view behind "gated communities"- and the nearest street view isn't close) Click the pic or the link below for full size Click the pic or the link below for full size One thing is as clear as a bell: You don't need to get past a "gate" at this "gated community" to get to his house... Those houses aren't that far apart but they aren't exactly close together. Would you hear a gunshot (so far it's probably safe to assume the shots were fired late THU or sometime FRI) in the house next door? Across the street? Edit: 4 gunshots from a 9mm glock. Can you put a silencer on a regular glock?
From a comment at santabarbaraview.com: "Look at the Sandy Hook situation, this playing right into the gun owners and amendments." Sandy Hook -- Ogden Utah connection to Robbie Parker and family. Ogden Utah connection to Iran Contra + the '80s S&L/Savings and Loan scandal: Why Does George W. Bush Fly in Drug Smuggler Barry Seal's Airplane? - FTW/From the Wilderness: As Published in the October 1999 Issue ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
fired from an aircraft, do you think? I don't believe anything I've been told about 911. But just because Marshall does, I'm just saying his entire theory shouldn't be automatically discarded. He is after all a highly regarded captain of 5 classes of jets- and has an intimate knowledge of that entire industry and all that goes along- for example knowing about the following: So began my search for Middle Eastern operators of Boeing airliners. Because the hijackers were mostly Saudi Arabian, the firm of Dallah Avco, a Saudi operator of multiple private Boeing airliners, soon stood out as a focal point. To my amazement, I immediately discovered that Congressional investigators had already linked Dallah Avco with the actual hijackers. Omar Bayoumi, a Dallah employee and operative within the Saudi Ministry of Aviation, had provided housing and basic support for three hijackers: Nawaf al-Hazmi, Khalid al-Mihdhar and the pilot/hijacker of American 77, Hani Hanjour. FBI evidence of the cell would confirm that the hijacking team of American 77 had formed and operated separately with direct financial support from top-level members of the Saudi government, bitter enemies of al Qaeda. The picture was beginning to clear. http://thebigbamboozle.tumblr.com/ There's so much dis information along with the hidden critical information it might be that the truth is a stew of it all. Or maybe none of it is real and we're all circling a distant planet on a broken spaceship and the ship's computer has decided to put us all into a virtual reality to live until old age mercifully kills us rather than kill us outright. (apologies to Phillip K. Dick)
Edit: 4 gunshots from a 9mm glock. Can you put a silencer on a regular glock? I've fired a friends 9mm and it seems that 4 shots without a silencer would have been fairly loud, especially at night Those houses are well insulated, but you'd have to be deaf or sound asleep to not hear it from a house or two away. a likely explanation Recently we replaced out our 1970 single pane, aluminum windows with Simonton triple-pane jobbies, and we can still hear the dogs barking in the back yard. We could certainly hear a few un-silenced 9mm rounds going off. This was a professional hit...better done than the SandyHook debacle; but a professional hit nonetheless. imo “The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken I wonder if any of those "parents" had life insurance for their children and if any money was claimed. Shouldn't be too hard to find out. I don't think Marshall was killed for knowing too much about 9/11. What did he know that someone would want him killed? I don't believe that it was what he knew (lots and lots of people know), it was what he was writing and telling that was his undoing. imo “The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken I'm about half way through his last book "The Big Bamboozle" and thusfar his claims are that the field agents had it right and were reporting SAUDI State financed terrorist activity but were thwarted by upper level management of the FBI, Justice Dept, the CIA and the White House. He also claims that the 2 hour delay without a response from NORAD is evidence that they were ordered to stand down. I could be wrong but it looks like Marshall believed that the terrorist attacks actually brought the buildings down. I don't agree with his theory concerning the collapses of the buildings but I think he has made a good case that the Bush Administration with the FBI and CIA assisted by ignoring the field agents and Cheney keeping the fighters on the ground or away from the targets. He also shows how they blocked the 9-11 Commission from the facts especially regarding the Saudi involvment. Nor do I think he shot his children. We should all be livid. Stop acting like docile, mentally castrated pussies and grow a pair. It's time to get in their face. Why should we speak in hushed tones and act all polite when we are being raped every day?
Simply because you're dead, should not mean that you don't get your day in court. This is the most amazing thought/idea that I've seen in a long while. Gets my vote too ! We should all be livid. Stop acting like docile, mentally castrated pussies and grow a pair. It's time to get in their face. Why should we speak in hushed tones and act all polite when we are being raped every day?
I know plenty of dumb people that are pilots. I'm not saying this guy was dumb, but he either believed false info, which isn't too smart, or was putting false info out on purpose. Even most pilots believe that a 757 did not hit the pentagon. God is always good!
Nor do I. Not himself, not his kids, DAMN Sure not his dog. Him and his family all but the estranged wife were executed. Law enforcement are complicit accomplices . __ Their are only two kinds of americans left in the USA those opposed to the tyranny and those that are wrong. Resist propaganda, Support strict constitutional adherence!
Yes you do need to be of a certain intelligence to fly a commercial airliner. You do not know plenty of dumb people that are pilots just because you yourself are dumb. You have no clue what the man believed. Only he knew what he believed. You have no idea if the info is false or not. The 911 debate is ever on going and even though we can all agree it was an inside job and the fucking US/Isreali government are guilty that fails to alter the official narrative (god forbid he had a solid connection implicating the zionist government). And lastly, you have no clue what most pilots believe. You have no way to gauge that. It is just something you have pulled out of thin air and applied to posterity here. You should put ALOT more thought into your posting. __ Their are only two kinds of americans left in the USA those opposed to the tyranny and those that are wrong. Resist propaganda, Support strict constitutional adherence!
Keep on trolling little tit, you keep on digging that hole a little deeper every time you do.
God is always good!
Barry Seal - Wikipedia excerpts Seal was born in Baton Rouge, Louisiana and began flying at the age of 15. In 1955, he received his pilot's license at the age of 16 and joined the Civil Air Patrol In 1966, Seal went to work for TWA as a flight engineer and later became the youngest 747 pilot in the nation. He flew transcontinental flights for TWA until he was fired after he agreed to fly plastic explosives from Miami to Mexico for an anti-Castro group. The buyer turned out to be a Federal Agent and he was arrested. He lost his job with TWA and became a private aviation consultant for groups in Latin America, which led to a career in drug trafficking.[1] Seal began his drug smuggling career in 1976 after he lost his job with TWA. In 1980, Seal began working for the Ochoa family and the Medellín Cartel transporting more lucrative cocaine shipments.[2] By 1981 he worked mainly for the Ochoa family and the Medellín Cartel transporting more lucrative cocaine shipments. This is according to the Frontline documentary on the "drug war". He then became one of the largest transportation rings for the cartel in the United States.[2] After successful runs into his homebase in Louisiana he moved operations to an infamous airport facility in Mena, Arkansas. There he owned and operated many planes and helicopters and advanced radar equipment. This includes the C-123 transport plane which was used famously in the Nicaragua sting operation. [sic] The operation was very successful until Seal was indicted on conspiracy to smuggle Quaaludes into Florida in 1984.[4] While operating for the Medellín Cartel, Seal went by the alias, "Ellis Mackenzie."[5] Barry Seal murder in Baton Rouge 25 years ago helped expose Iran-Contra debacle - louisianavoice.com excerpts Most of all, Seal’s murder would lay bare for all the world to see the seamy underbelly of America’s duplicitous war on drugs, and how drug smuggling was in fact sanctioned by powerful men in order to advance a hidden agenda. That agenda would turn up in the sordid details of the Iran-Contra scandal. Seal, who began flying at age of 15, flew weapons to Fidel Castro in 1958 when Castro was fighting to overthrow Fulgencio Batista. It was only after Castro succeeded in overthrowing Batista in 1959 and declared himself a Marxist that other forces then began their efforts to overthrow Castro. In 1964, Seal went to work for TWA and became their youngest 707 captain and later their youngest 747 captain. He was fired by TWA after his 1972 arrest in New Orleans on charges of flying explosives to anti-Castro Cubans in Mexico. The buyer, it turned out, was a federal agent. Soon after that, Seal turned to drug smuggling and subsequently was arrested in Honduras with 40 kilos of cocaine worth a reported $25 million. By 1982, Seal was making regular runs on behalf of the Medellin Cartel, bringing tons of cocaine into the U.S. It was at this time that he moved his operations from Baton Rouge to Mena, Arkansas. Whether known or not at the time by Arkansas Governor Bill Clinton, the use of the Mena airport by Seal and others would be used by detractors in efforts to tie Clinton to drug smuggling conspiracies, especially during his first four years as President. In 1984, Seal was indicted in Fort Lauderdale, Florida, on charges of smuggling Quaaludes and money laundering. Because Reagan feared another communist regime in the Western Hemisphere, Seal was enlisted as an undercover informant for the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA). By this time, Seal had purchased a C-123. The larger transport plane, which he affectionately referred to as The Fat Lady, was needed to haul tons of cocaine for the cartel. As part of his agreement with DEA, he rigged the C-123 with a hidden camera and was able to photograph Pablo Escobar helping Nicaraguan soldiers load 1,200 kilos of cocaine at the Managua airport. Reagan was ecstatic and went on national television shortly afterwards, waving the photograph given to him by Col. Oliver North and denouncing the Sandinistas as “drug smugglers corrupting American youth.” As a result of Seal’s cooperation, the judge in his Florida case praised Seal and reduced his sentence to six months probation. on October 5, 1986 [My note: months after Barry Seal was reportedly killed], a Sandinista patrol shot down a C-123 cargo plane that was supplying the Contras. Eugene Hasenfus, who was on board the plane, survived the crash and told his captors that he thought the CIA was behind the operation to supply the Contras. It proved to be the singular event that blew the Iran-Contra scandal wide open. The C-123 that had been shot down was The Fat Lady, Seal’s beloved cargo plane. Somehow, the plane had fallen into the hands of Oliver North and his covert operation. Hasenfus said that was by sheer coincidence. That’s not likely. Seal’s offshore bank accounts disappeared and the IRS filed a multi-million dollar lien against his assets. His property, including his home and all his airplanes, were seized. Seal’s wife was said to have found George Bush’s private phone number in Seal’s wallet. The C-123 was ultimately sold to a company with connections to the CIA and was shot down soon afterwards. Excerpts from Why Does George W. Bush Fly in Drug Smuggler Barry Seal's Airplane - FTW/From the Wilderness: As Published in the October 1999 Issue Three months into an exhaustive investigation of persistent reports dating to 1995 that there exists an incriminating videotape of current Republican Presidential front-runner Bush caught in a hastily-aborted DEA cocaine sting, the central allegation remains unproven The investigation started with a lead into the history of the aircraft (a 1982 Beechcraft King Air 200 with FAA registration number N6308F - Serial Number BB-1014). The handwritten tail number was found in records kept by Seal's widow and later linked to other "hard paper" records left by Seal after his 1986 assassination by "drug traffickers" who were subsequently connected to Oliver North. Those records, including leasing agreements, insurance policies and maintenance records, exhibit a deliberately-confusing "paper trail" of convoluted ownership Southern Air had owned the C123 used by Seal in the Nicaragua sting operation which made Barry Seal famous. That same aircraft was later shot down over Nicaragua in 1986 and the lone survivor Eugene Hasenfus was captured alive by Sandinista soldiers.. That is what started the Iran-Contra scandal to begin with. getting ready to go to war in the Spring of 1982: Retired Air Force Major General Richard Secord began managing an operation in which Israel shipped weapons captured in Lebanon to a CIA arms depot in San Antonio, Texas, for re-shipment to the Contras. [sic] at this exact same time, in the Spring of 1982, Barry Seal began flying private planes into a then-obscure airport in the secluded mountains of western Arkansas known as Mena. More on Nicaragua, etc., at Kevin Barrett's noliesradio.org: Wayne Madsen: 9/11 author Philip Marshall “suicided” by black ops team -- audio and transcript Cross-referencing 4um Title: Multistate Anti-Terrorism Information Exchange [aka MATRIX]. Info there on Hank Asher aka the “father of data fusion,” at Post #4 [once smuggled millions of dollars worth of cocaine; drug-running activities he admits spanned eight months in 1981 and 1982] and Post #5 [cocaine drug smuggling valued at $150 million; additional money laundering bizzness info, etc.]. Ref. CORRUPTION: Recommended Researching Extended List Names: Adler Berriman Seal [sic] Hank Asher Although I can find no other direct link between Barry Seal and Hank Asher, they were cocaine drug smuggling contemporaries and Asher is linked to Florida where Barry Seal was indicted in 1984. Also, one of Asher's companies was involved there in suspected voter fraud. Like Barry Seal's affiliate, Philip Marshall, Hank Asher was recently reported dead (but from no officially stated cause, afaik); and so was another man named Don Haidl. Asher and Haidl were both involved in the case of Mike Carona, a corrupt Sheriff in Florida who had served on a top-secret George W. Bush national security task force. Haidl was reportedly a used car salesman. This is a continuation of excerpts at the FTW article linked above regarding one of Seals' planes: In an interview Bean stated that he had incorporated in Delaware as a legal necessity because of the needs of his investors. "Delaware is a very convenient place for many kinds of corporations to incorporate and many large corporations and multi-nationals do so," Bean told FTW. "Because other companies I was in partnership with were incorporated there I chose to do so also. It was much easier that way and it was a requirement of the partners who were investing." However, Delaware officials in the Secretary of State's office said that Bean's company, Prentis Hall [not Prentice Hall], does not exist. And in the FAA records connected to Bean's ownership of "Zero-Eight-Foxtrot" we find yet another unexplained gap in FAA records. Whenever major mechanical repairs are made on an aircraft, the involved mechanic is required to complete an FAA Form 337. In December 1989, FAA certified mechanic Irvin Strayer installed some routine de-icing equipment on the plane. The mechanic, reviewing what should have been original ownership documents, listed the owner as United Insurance of Ogden Utah. Nowhere in FAA title paperwork does United Insurance appear as an owner. And a spokesman for the Utah State Department of Insurance told FTW that there had never been a United Insurance licensed to do business in the state. "It was an insurance company that a group of car dealers had formed to handle title and financing and other insurance for car sales," said Bean. "I bought the other guys out of the airplane and had some repairs done before I sold to Corporate Wings." Someone should have told the FAA. Or perhaps someone changed the FAA's records. Stranger things have happened. Bean does not recall if he changed the records to reflect this or not. A Likely Suspect In what will become a long litany of links between Barry Seal's activities and the financial fraud of the 1980's, Merrill Bean was also involved in what The Salt Lake City Tribune called "the worst financial disaster in Utah since the Great Depression." That disaster was the en masse 1980s failure of Utah thrifts -- hybrid financial institutions that offered high interest rates and consumer loans -- and the collapse of the insurance fund that was supposed to protect their deposits. Because Utah's thrifts were heavily underinsured, the actions of Bean's thrift, Western Heritage Thrift and Loan, left a trail of broken hearts, and broken people. Bean told FTW, "I was Director of that failed thrift. I came aboard when it was almost going under. And I poured some money into it to try to save it and it didn't happen. I was hoping that my $75,000 that I put into it would help revive it." While admitting that he was on the Board of Directors of Western Heritage, Bean stated emphatically that he was not "a Honcho." FTW wonders how an obviously savvy businessman who owns several aircraft and car dealerships believed that $75,000 would turn around a failing savings and loan. In "The Mafia, The CIA and George Bush," Texas journalist Pete Brewton documented how much of the S&L scandal was connected to Iran-Contra operations and illegal covert operations of the CIA. Noting again because of Philip Marshall being painted as a "crazy conspiracy theorist" gunman: Ogden, Utah is also linked to the Robbie Parker family of the Sandy Hook gun-grabbing Hoax. Edited for spacing, excerpt notation at the louisianavoice.com link and to reword sentence 2 of the 4um thread cross-referencing section. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
The kosher official narratives are managed by big media, which includes big alternative media names: Webster Tarpley and on and on. That's a big reason why alternative media is comparable to a carrot-on-a-stick where even if PsyOp/BlackOp hoaxes are exposed, that's usually as far as it goes (if not largely ignored). Psywar doesn't just hide actual crimes that did happen but also attempts to "validate" crimes or deaths, etc., that might not have really happened at all for purposes of tyrannical legislation or wars or whatever. So, at this point, I'm not convinced that Philip Marshall and his children are dead or Hank Asher either or even that Barry Seal was assassinated. They could have gone into a Witness Protection program for all I know. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Good because there's absolutely no reason to be convinced of it :) Shouldn't be too hard to find out. Questions on the Marshall family murders: Were his hands tested for gun-powder residue? What caliber bullets were used? Were the bullets fired from Marshall's pistol? These are the most basic, fundamental forensic questions that should have been immediately investigated, and answered honestly. “The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken Phillip Marshall's twitter avatar: Here's Dan Hopsicker's story about how he got the photo and what it means: "Look out kid, They keep it all hid.” Bob Dylan “Subterranean Homesick Blues” WORLD EXCLUSIVE May 6 2006--Venice,FL. by Daniel Hopsicker Deposed CIA head Porter Goss was once a member of the CIA's super-secret Operation 40, an assassination squad which roamed through North and Central America during the 1960's. Along with a number of men whose names became famous and whose lives and careers comprise a large part of America’s Secret History, Goss appears (see a comparison) in the historic photograph at right, which also appears on the cover of "Barry & 'the boys': The CIA, the Mob, and America's Secret History." It is the only extant photograph of the members of Operation Forty, the CIA’s assassination squad, taken in a Mexico City nightclub in 1963. Coupled with his close proximity to the terrorist hijackers who used his Congressional District in Charlotte County as one of their main bases of operations, this fact virtually shouts out for closer examination during the post-mortems dissecting his tenure as CIA chief. When we first saw the photo, it was in the yellowed frame used by nightclub photographers back in the 60's. It bore the name of a nightclub (La Reforma) in Mexico City, and was stamped with a date, January 22, 1963, ten months to the day before the Kennedy assassination. "Guido, meet the General. General, meet Guido." The Mexico City nightclub photo reveals a mixed group of Cuban exiles, Italian wise guys, and square-jawed military intelligence types. It was discovered among keepsakes kept in the safe of the widow of CIA pilot and drug smuggler Barry Seal, where it was overlooked by a 7-man team from the U.S. State Department which showed up at her house in 1995 to comb through her records. Barry Seal had been recruited at the age of 17, along with Lee Oswald, by CIA agent David Ferrie, at a two week summer camp of the Louisiana Civil Air Patrol in 1957. The product of a patrician Connecticut upbringing, an elite preparatory school and Yale University, Goss entered the high-stakes espionage game being played out between the Florida Keys and the coast of Cuba after the CIA-backed coup against Castro collapsed at the Bay of Pigs. "During his junior year, he met a CIA recruiter through his ROTC commanders,” reported the September 24, 2002 Orlando Sentinel, in a story headlined “TERRORISM FIGHT KEEPS REP. GOSS IN POLITICAL FRAY.” “It is true I was in CIA from approximately the late 50's to approximately the early 70's,” Goss told antagonist Michael Moore. At the time the picture was taken Barry Seal was a young-looking 24-year old. Porter Goss was the same age. "They've given you a number, and taken 'way your name." Seal is seated third from left. Sitting right next to him (second from left) is Porter Goss. Beside Goss is notorious "freedom fighter" Felix Rodriguez (front left), a Cuban vice cop under the corrupt Mob-run Batista regime in Cuba who later became an Iran Contra operative and a confidant of the first George Bush. On the other side of the table is the the only spook celebrant displaying any regard for tradecraft... Covering his face with his sport coat is Frank Sturgis, famous for being one of the Watergate burglars. Beside Sturgis (front right) is another famous spook, at least among Kennedy assassination researchers, William Seymour, the New Orleans representative of the Double-Chek Corporation, a CIA front used to recruit pilots (like Seal). Seymour is regarded by many researchers as the man who on several notable occasions is said to have impersonated Lee Harvey Oswald, when that lone nut gunman was out of the country. At the time it was taken the CIA's covert action chief in Mexico City was David Atlee Phillips, AKA Maurice Bishop, who reportedly met with Oswald in Dallas before the assassination. "You don't have the negative too do you?" The sensitive nature of the picture was confirmed by a person who had known and worked with Seal, who incidentally had been the inspiration for the hit song "Secret Agent Man," by his buddy Johnny Rivers in the 'mid-60's. The man, also the executor of Seal's estate, reacted with unconcealed shock when first shown the picture. “Where did you get that?” he demanded. “I didn’t know there were any… Where did this picture come from?" “Yeah, Barry was Op Forty,” Jerry Patrick Hemming confirmed. “He flew in killer teams inside the island (Cuba) before the invasion to take out Fidel.” Frank Sturgis, a member of the team that broke into Democratic National Committee headquarters at the Watergate complex in 1972, later admitted to having been part of Operation Forty. Other famous names who belonged to Operation Forty include Thomas Clines, Edwin Wilson and "Blond Ghost" Ted Shackley. Colonel William Bishop showed author Dick Russell a series of photographs of Latin-looking individuals who belonged to the group. On the backs of the pictures were the words "Special talent 1960-65, Ice pick man ... Butcher... Sniper and demo [demolition] expert ... Propaganda ... Knife man... Pilot and navigator ... Mutilator." “Bishop said, ‘We weren't playing a nice game.’” When nephew Chuck Giancana wrote about Mob Boss Sam Giancana’s strategic move to Mexico in early 1963, he wrote this about Operation Forty... "It was to be an all-out, no-holds-barred Latin American push. Mooney (Giancana) settled into a lavish Mexico City apartment and went right to work, drawing on the expertise and mammoth resources of the recently-formed CIA team of assassins and operatives specifically trained for Latin American clandestine operations. CIA insiders jokingly dubbed the team the White Hand, an allusion to the Mafia killer progenitors the Black Hand." "You're not cleared for that information." Although the photo was available at the time of his confirmation as head of the CIA, the major media showed no inclination to press Goss on the matter. In fact, the party line rang out everywhere. "Rep. Porter J. Goss has disclosed precious few details of his CIA employment from roughly 1960 to 1971,” reported a profile in the Associated Press. Reuters called him a “mystery man,” and said he had been “close-mouthed about his past.” “He worked in Haiti, the Dominican Republic and Mexico-tumultuous countries during that decade of the Cold War,” Reuters reported. During a 2002 interview with The Washington Post, Goss joked that he performed photo interpretation and "small-boat handling," which led to "some very interesting moments in the Florida Straits." He acknowledged he had recruited and run foreign agents and said he would be uncomfortable traveling to Cuba but wouldn't say more. “With a prep-school education and a Greek major at Yale, Goss passed up the conventional life to be a CIA spook,” reads one typical wire service account. Actually, the facts lean heavily towards the proposition that with “a prep school education and a Greek major at Yale,” Goss’s choice to become a CIA spook in the early 60's was an entirely conventional one. "Closed orders and secret societies" The appointment of Porter Goss revealed that what passes for American civic life may in reality be just an elaborate game of Inside Baseball. Goss found himself paired often with fellow Floridian, Democratic Sen. Bob Graham, then the chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, leading the joint congressional inquiry into the attacks. The two men share another unique distinction: both were having breakfast on the morning of September 11th, 2001 with a man who reportedly wired $100,000 to Mohamed Atta. "When the news [of the attacks on the World Trade Center] came, the two Florida lawmakers who lead the House and Senate intelligence committees were having breakfast with the head of the Pakistani intelligence service.” In testimony before Congress on February 9, 2004, Chief Weapons Inspector David Kay noted, "Closed orders and secret societies, whether they be religious or governmental, are the groups that have the hardest time reforming themselves in the face of failure without outside input." When was the last time anyone heard a weapons inspector mention secret societies? Do you ever get the feeling there's something they're not telling us? Wayne Madsen was on the radio program Coast 2 Coast last night to talk about his findings in the Phillip Marshall Case After a week-long on-site investigation, former National Security Agency officer Wayne Madsen is “100% certain” that 9/11 investigator and author Philip Marshall and his two children were killed in a black ops hit. Madsen’s conclusion is that the cover story – an alleged murder-suicide – is transparently absurd.
More Porter Goss: Bomb Goes Off At Pentagon During Porter Goss Q&A At that September 11 meeting were three lawmakers Bob Graham, Porter Goss and Jon Kyl who were part of the Congressional delegation to Pakistan. Also present at this meeting were Pakistan’s ambassador to the U.S. Maleeha Lodhi and several members of the Senate and House Intelligence committees. This meeting was described by one press report as a “follow-up meeting” to that held in Pakistan in late August. After the Capitol meeting, Porter Goss went to the Pentagon where he is seen being interviewed, on camera, by the mainstream US media, while the attack sequence was still being played out. This video gives us some evidence regarding what happened at the Pentagon, as Goss was speaking: There is a distant boom, and people in camerashot turn around and gasp. Then, a minute later, we hear the sound of a large commercial plane flying full throttle, engines screaming, and people look towards where the sound is coming from. There were TWO events at the Pentagon that morning, and Porter Goss likely knows exactly what happened, and who was responsible – and Phil Marshall was onto Porter Goss. Watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q44verk-cwM (before youtube pulls it, yet again). What is that explosion before the screaming jet noise? Is that screaming jet noise Flt 77? Operation 40 was a Central Intelligence Agency-sponsored undercover operation in the early 1960s, which was active in the United States and the Caribbean (including Cuba), Central America, and Mexico. It was approved by President Dwight D. Eisenhower in March 1960, after the January 1959 Cuban Revolution, and was presided over by Vice-president Richard Nixon. The group included Frank Sturgis (who would later become one of the Watergate burglars); Felix Rodriguez (a CIA officer who later was involved in the capture and summary execution of Che Guevara); Luis Posada Carriles (held in the US in 2010 on charges of illegal immigration, he is demanded by Venezuela for his key role in the execution of the 1976 Cubana Flight 455 bombing); Orlando Bosch (founder of the counterrevolutionary Coordination of United Revolutionary Organizations, that organized the 1976 murder of Chilean former minister Orlando Letelier); Rafael 'Chi Chi' Quintero; Virgilio Paz Romero; Pedro Luis Diaz Lanz; Bernard Barker; Porter Goss; and Barry Seal. Members took part in the April 1961 Bay of Pigs Invasion directed against the government of Cuban revolutionary leader Fidel Castro. Operation 40 had 86 employees in 1961, of which 37 were trained as case officers Much much more>>
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“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken Great commentary at site. Many, many are not purchasing the bullshit. “The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken Like Philip Marshall, Bandar Bush was involved in Iran Contra. Am posting some Amazon.com reviews/comments here on Philip Marshall's book, "The Big Bamboozle": By L. C. Northern "Regular Guy": He entices you to read the book by explaining how he can show problems with plane number and identification which might help understand 9/11. Then he uses a bait and switch [sic] about Iran Contra in the 1980's. By doberman21: Another "Patcon" Tragedy The govt. trolls are already busy trashing Marshall for "alleged" mental illness." Social engineering tends to be more successful when the sheep think everyone else buys the "official" MSM story. Anyone gullible enough to believe the "official" story obviously wouldn't have bothered to read Marshall's book anyway... so let's not pretend to actually be writing a review. [sic] So what do all these random targets have in common? Ever heard of "Patcon"? Recent FBI docs released in the Trentadue case through FOIA reveal "OKC" & Elohim City were part of FBI/Mossad operation Patcon... to stigmatize militias [sic] in prep. for disarmament & the coming police state (i.e. "coming" as in past sense, since its now here [sic] Ever ponder why the US Govt. & Mossad wld create & fund "Radical Islam" & what benefit they get out of it (hmmm.... phony "War on Terror" & "911" come to mind, + uber profits for central bankers & military industrial complex). Why is the US & Israel currently funding, training & arming communists posing as "Rebels" in Syria? Why did they fund communist "Rebels" posing as the so- called "Muslim Bro-hood" throughout the "Arab Spring"... & where did the name "Arab Spring" even originate? Ever heard of the European Spring of 1848 & the `48'ers (the same 48'ers kicked out of Europe for attempting to overthrow various govts.--who then found Marxist asylum in America & went to work in various newspapers, sowing seeds of Marxism to help Marx incite Revolution right here--in a very uncivil war). BTW, that's the same Marx who worked as a corresp. for Horace Greeley's NY Tribune--the "official newspaper" of the Republican Party--founded on the very "un-American" principles of highly Centralized Fedl. Govt. or anti-Jeffersonian principles of elitist Hamiltonian Federalism (i.e. the same principles espoused in Marx's Manifesto). These same 48er's then went to work for Marx's fave. President, Lincoln, raping pillaging & marauding all over the South, while serving the Union in its very uncivil war to suppress the U.S. Constitution & its campaign to erect a new unconstitutional form of govt. alien to the one formed by the founders. Who were the 48ers...& who were the majority of commies in Europe in the 1800's? The majority were from a particular religious background w/a knack for funding communism--& they're not Muslim)! The most import. question is why the main financial supporters of commies are almost exclusively from this religious background--that's again far from Muslim, yet it's the same group that claims to be threatened by "Radical Islam"? Here's a clue, it's the ONLY group that actually benefits from the "War on Terror" [sic] What possible benefit could the US, ISRAEL & Central Bankers that control both get from funding "Radical Islam" throughout the Middle East (hmmm... perhaps WWIII to precipitate GLOBAL disarmament... think "Patcon" on a global scale, where they make lots of $$ fomenting war to disarm the slaves... & the war they create facilitates the creation of U.N. Utopia a/k/a the global police state necessary to keep the slaves subdued & oppressed in inescapable peonage to the New Central Banking Order). Marshall was on the right track about the Saudis-- but stopped short of exposing the whole truth behind 911. Saudi Arabia was just a front to hide the real wizard behind the curtain...[sic] References on Patcon: Cached copy of Patriot Games BY J.M. BERGER | APRIL 18, 2012 | foreignpolicy.com -- 7 page article; excerpts [My note: Allegedly,] Members of The Order assassinated Jewish talk radio host Alan Berg in 1984, before most of its members were arrested and its leader killed in a standoff. Less than 10 percent of the money stolen by The Order was ever recovered, Code-named PATCON, for "Patriot-conspiracy," the investigation would last more than two years, crossing state and organizational lines in search of intelligence on the so-called Patriot movement, the label applied to a wildly diverse collection of racist, ultra-libertarian, right-wing and/or pro-gun activists and extremists who, over the years, have found common cause in their suspicion and fear of the federal government. The undercover agents met some of the most infamous names in the movement, but their work never led to a single arrest. When McVeigh walked through the middle of the investigation in 1993, he went unnoticed. [My note: Probable Patcon actor.] PATCON stayed under wraps for nearly 15 years, until it was discovered in Freedom of Information Act requests by the author. The account that follows is based on thousands of pages of FBI records on PATCON and the groups it targeted, as well as interviews with FBI agents who worked on the case, former FBI informants, and members of the targeted groups. PATCON had its origins in the investigation of Louis Beam, an infamous racial ideologue with connections to the original Order. In 1987, the government prosecuted him for sedition in connection with the group's activities, but he was acquitted and subsequently moved to the Austin, Texas, area. [My note: Probable Patcon actor; Leaderless resistance advocate: The concept of leaderless resistance was reportedly developed by Col. Ulius Louis Amoss, a former U.S. intelligence officer, in the early 1960s. An anti-communist, Amoss saw leaderless resistance as a backup for the possibility of a communist seizure of power in the United States. The concept was revived and popularized in an essay published by the anti-government Ku Klux Klan member Louis Beam in 1983 and again in 1992 (My note: or supposed anti-government Ku Klux Klan member Louis Beam)] [sic] In February 1992, not quite a year into the operation, the focus of PATCON shifted. The agent posing as Dave Rossi arranged an introduction to Thomas Posey, the leader of the Alabama group, Civilian Material Assistance (CMA). CMA had its origins as an anti-Communist group helping the Contras in the Nicaraguan civil war. It had murky connections to government through the Iran- Contra program, and Posey had been called to testify during congressional hearings on the scandal. When Iran-Contra wilted under public scrutiny, Posey repurposed CMA as a Patriot militia and began reaching out to like-minded organizations with an eye toward forging a Patriot alliance, according to former CMA members and FBI documents. Oklahoma City Bombing Secrets - PATCON and the Strategy of Tensions Ruby Ridge was a PATCON operation. Waco was a PATCON operation. And so, too, I believe was the Oklahoma City Bombing. After watching these news broadcast excerpts, it is very difficult to come to any other conclusion, but that McVeigh's 'truck bomb' was little more than a decoy for an FBI-run false-flag terror operation - for which they were already poised in nearby hotels to emerge as the 'heroes'. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Flashback From Sunday, February 3, 2013 ...Hewitt said investigators believe the murders occurred sometime between Thursday and Saturday morning. Hewitt said the coroner will take a liver temperature to get a more accurate time of death. No neighbors reported hearing any gun shots, Hewitt said. “The gun was not silenced,” he said. “The houses are not very close together and if they are well built and insulated with all the windows and doors closed, the shots would have been muffled.” Jeff Woods, who lives directly across the street from Marshall, said he did hear strange noises late Friday night while he worked in his downstairs office. “I was working with the television on in the background when I heard an unusual noise,” Woods said. “I stopped working and went upstairs, turned the lights on and looked around. I didn’t hear anything else, so I went back downstairs. Not too long after that, I heard another strange noise. I muted the television and listened for a second without hearing anything else.” According to the NRA: "Gunshot decibel levels, measured by John S. Odess, M.D., ranged between 143.5 from a .22 short to 174.4 from a .458 Win. Mag If 4 9mm gunshots were fired at night 100 feet in your next door neighbors house would you hear it? I think so. The house on the left of Marshalls in the photo above (107ft away) is occupied by an 80 year old woman and her 82 yr old husband. It is quite likely they were both home on both THU and FRI nights, and they probably weren't hosting band practice. Further research is called for... Phillip Marshall writes: http://thebigbamboozle.tumblr.com/ I soon learned that major flight training had been conducted in the middle of the night with military and civilian airplanes in top-secret fashion. Blackwater is one of several operators that use the very airport I had run across — Pinal Airpark, a secluded desert facility near the town of Marana, Arizona, and near the former home of Saudi Arabian pilot Hani Hanjour, the hijacker pilot of American 77. I discovered that over 80 perfectly airworthy commercial airliners are scattered around the airport and heavily guarded by a mercenary army with covert Saudi ties. The opportunities are perfect to “borrow” a Boeing for unlimited and undocumented air training in the dedicated practice range over the desert. The means and the opportunity to slip hijackers in for training were all in place. Pinal Airpark: Directly north of the airpark: Someone nailed it: The media in the US is held to a pathetic standard of conduct. They should feel nothing but shame because Marshall did their job. Instead they self righteously mock him for failing to buy their line of authoritarian cheerleading. Hey media ****** it isn't impressive for you to make fun of Marshall for trying to understand why almost 3,000 people were murdered. Respecting the victims doesn't mean turning your back on them in some bizarre display of allegiance to CIA bs.
Drugs are Bad! MEDIA RELEASE PDF http://sheriff.co.calaveras.ca.us/Portals/sheriff/Press/2013/Update_Marshall_Investigation.pdf From the Wiki page: ...the FDA issued a health advisory, which warned that the prescription of bupropion and varenicline for smoking cessation has been associated with reports about unusual behaviour changes, agitation and hostility. Some patients have become depressed or have had their depression worsen, have had thoughts about suicide or dying, or have attempted suicide.[87][88] This advisory was based on the postmarket review of anti-smoking products, which identified 153 reports of the suicidal adverse events for varenicline over the first year it was marketed and 75 reports for bupropion over ten years... pretty much case closed. Impressive report. The Sheriff heard the rumblings from the peanut galleries. explosion at pentagon *Before* flight77? (Thanks Phil)
And who's to say if that's the truth? The pictures that I've seen don't show a bug-eyed whackjob like the other recent shooters. I still believe it was a hit. “The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken Of course they could be lying. But the one thing underlying this whole case is how stupid it would be to get rid of him by sending an assassin in the middle of the night and not only kill him but his kids. He flew a private plane recently, having a propeller come loose or something would have been easy. Blowing him and his kids away just would accomplish the opposite of silencing his message-lots more know about every theory he had as it is now. And if he really had something he was about to release, I think more sophisticated means would have been used, that wouldn't involve his kids. But maybe I'm wrong, and we've devolved to having fed hit squads killing 14 yr old girls in the middle of the night. Wouldn't surprise me at this point. Regarding his picture, I agree. He doesn't look insane. But if we are to believe the Sheriff, recent troubles were made worse by poison pills- real drugs that cause Grown Men to shoot infants. there are thousands of cases like his documented here But yeah, maybe the Sheriff is lying. Who knows.
You seem to have changed your views of the case quite a bit but interesting video. Most interesting, imo, was G.W. Bush's statements starting at 5:58 that indicate he flew by the Pentagon, in a helicopter, while it was still in flames. Also, the statement by Peter Goss starting at 5:05 that the Speaker of the House is third in line of succession to the Presidency, which is disputable. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Howdy , .... sooooooooooooooo as a person who has been around the block and knows way more than he should I must point out that someone with that chemical cocktail flowing through them would not be in a walking state let alone a state capable of committing all of the acts alleged. Down to shooting the dog. They always shoot the dog. You would think During one of these assassinations one mossad agent would say to the other cia agent "maybe we shouldn't kill the dog lest we make ourselves obvious" LOL sad sigh. __ There are only two kinds of americans left in the USA those opposed to the tyranny and those that are wrong. Resist propaganda, Support strict constitutional adherence!
Why do you say that? “The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken Why do you say that? This is the "conventional" short answer, contingent upon the Speaker of the House meeting the Constitutional requirements of Presidential office per Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 (natural born citizenship, age, and residency status): Speaker of the United States House of Representatives - Wikipedia The underlined part of that sentence is somewhat confusing, since the Vice President is the President pro tempore of the U.S. Senate. Presumably, it means that the Speaker of the House is [Edit to add: if Constitutionally qualified] second in the line of succession, ahead of whoever is [Edit to add: if Constitutionally qualified] the replacement President pro tempore of the U.S. Senate when that role is vacated by a Vice President being installed in the Presidency. [Edit to add: Vice Presidents must be Constitutionally qualified for the Presidency.] These are some sources pertinent to the Presidential line of succession issue and Constitutionality or lack thereof beyond a Vice President, age concerns, etc.: Presidential Succession Act - Wikipedia [1792, 1886, 1947, 20th and 25th Amendments] Additional info on Article II, Section 1, Clauses 5 and 6 Edited to include the noted bracketed inserts on Constitutional qualifications. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Adding another note here on Bandar Bush: 9-11 Philip Marshall and His Two children Silenced for Telling the truth -- apfn.org ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
My own government hates me, and all I can do is laugh about it. F**k em!
"I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it." - William S Burroughs
Correction: Porter Goss Adding some additional notes here on Porter Goss, the alleged 9/11 hijackers, suspect connections, etc. Post #197 above: CIA's Porter Goss and the 9/11 cover up -- YouTube video, 15 minutes 9-11 Philip Marshall and His Two children Silenced for Telling the truth -- apfn.org Renovation to revolution: Was the Pentagon attacked from within? -- June 2012 article 9 11 Prior Knowledge Porter Goss Statements 8 10 2004 ABC -- YouTube video, 4.5 minutes No objection from me on his opposition to an Intel "Czar" but in this 15 minute YouYube video, Porter Goss Ex CIA Director on Camp Ashraf Paris 20 Jan 2012, Goss pushes for the delisting of the MEK/Mujahedeen-e-Kalq as an "Iranian Dissident" terror group as if they're more like displaced refugees and wonders why they were being listed as terrorists. Having been in Intel, Americans might expect he'd know that they not only participated in the 1979 U.S. Embassy takeover in Tehran, among other notorieties, but have also killed Americans. He mentions Camp Ashraf in Iraq -- a compound where thousands of them have prospered as a protected class. They even have their own lobbyists to campaign in America on their behalf and against Iran. One of their leaders has the Hebraic name of Maryam and this is a description of their compound as reported at the site of Zionist Daniel Pipes: Other reporters speak of a park with an artificial lake, sculptures, etc. But a New York Times article about the documentary, Iraq for Sale: The War Profiteers (2006) reports this: Soda said in that movie to be made locally; most likely in the MEK's Camp Ashraf. More on that issue and connection probability in the first 4 minutes of this 7.5 minute YouTube video: REALIST NEWS - Iraq for sale documentary everyone needs to see ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
America's real government is the Constitution, not the Secessionist transients who don't work for it but against it. I think you can be assured that it doesn't hate you. ;) ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Excerpts from a mild and stunted report on the MEK's terrorism: Mujahedin-e Khalq Organization (MEK) - The Investigative Project on Terrorism During the 1970s, the MEK killed U.S. military personnel and U.S. civilians working on defense projects in Tehran and supported the takeover in 1979 of the U.S. Embassy in Tehran. And there begins the Iran-Contra saga, basically, that factors into the Philip Marshall case, along with Barry Seal and Porter Goss of Operation 40. undergrounddocumentaries.com -- COVER UP: Behind the Iran-Contra Affair (Full Version): Strikingly relevant to current events. COVER UP: Behind the Iran-Contra Affair -- YouTube, 1:12:23 At 11:05, Reagan deal with Iran before 1980 election to send money and arms there in exchange for Iran agreeing to delay the release of our 52 hostages an additional 76 days; Reagan's campaign was afraid Carter would successfully bring them home [what was called the October Surprise] and win the election -- Barbara Honegger, member of Reagan-Bush campaign in 1980 56 hostages taken captive in 1979; 52? released after 14 months on the day of Ronald Reagan's inauguration At 14:34, Former President of Iran, Bani Sadr -- docs showing written orders for shipment of American parts and weapons to Iran through an Israeli owned company. More Americans were kidnapped during Reagan's Presidency. At 15:58, Jerry Levin allegedly taken hostage in Lebanon in March of 1984 and held for 7 months, then allowed to escape after his wife's negotiations with the Syrian government. She claims the Reagan agenda was to Iran. At 17:13-17:36, Sis Levin (wife of alleged hostage Jerry Levin) says: At 17:36-18:00, Honegger claims the Reagan-Bush administration was allied with the Ayatolla Kohmeini regime from the beginning and behind the scenes because Reagan feared a Soviet invasion of Iran. [My note: the Ayatolla was reportedly a British citizen who lived in France for some time] At 18:00, Ollie North states that he and Director Casey thought using "the Ayatolla's money" to support the Nicaraguan resistance was a right idea. Edited for punctuation, spelling and spacing. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
You're right of course; speaker is second in line behind veep. Bad math here... “The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken Bad math here... I'm more of the opinion that it was due to the aftermath of misdirection about it by Porter Goss. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
This porter goss guy is quite a piece of work. That video should be seen right before or after the pentagon video: It's more than a bit interesting that this guy, the co-chair of the original 911 investigation- and the co-sponsor of the patriot act, was meeting with the pakistani ex-ISI chief that financed the hijacker of flt 77--on the morning of 911. But the people that bring it up are "conspiracy theorists". Punks like this Porter Goss eat decent people for breakfast.
actually the first thing that I thought when I read the headline was - here's another anti-depressant caused murder/mayhem incident. Then as I read more, it became even more curious. But really, if someone was trying to silence him this was a very dumb way to do it. The Sheriff's report was pretty convincing- if he really did buy that particular brand of bullet, and he's on tape, and they found those clothes, etc etc etc, and combine all that with antidepressants mixed with other drugs, well- unless someone comes out with a more credible theory, for now I'm going with the Sheriff's report- being well aware it could be chock full of lies or half truths. If there weren't specific cases documented that are identical (more or less) to Phillip Marshall, I'd probably be more skeptical. See; Annex- the legal cases at this link: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1564177/ If you read that paper at the NIH it's clear that if he was taking antidepressants it is not unusual for him to do what he did. Tomorrow, everything could be different!
That the neighbors heard no gun-shots says 'hit' to me. That, and the killing of poochie. “The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken One less witness... Aquila: It's more than a bit interesting that this guy [Porter Goss], the co- chair of the original 911 investigation- and the co-sponsor of the patriot act, was meeting with the pakistani ex-ISI chief that financed the hijacker of flt 77--on the morning of 911. But the people that bring it up are "conspiracy theorists". Yes. Will try to post more about that later. For now, at 2:05 of that video, Goss says that he got to the office of the Speaker of the House, Dennis Hastert, just as the plane hit the Pentagon; and he [talks at 1:53] of wanting the Capitol evacuated. From that statement about the timing of his arrival at Hastert's office, it can be presumed that the clip of him in a press interview at the beginning of the video (with booming and plane sound effects) was not filmed during the Pentagon attack. Speaker Hastert makes a critical statement at 2:47 about adjourning the House. The question is, in the paniced conditions of the day, did he adjourn it sine die? -- "without appointing a day on which to appear or assemble again."[2]; Reference: Adjournment sine die. That reference also notes an adjournment sine die of the 110th Congress in 2008. What's remarkable about that and possibly the 9/11 adjournment by Hastert is that to adjourn the legislature sine die with no appointed time to reassemble has the connotation/effect of dissolving Congress, not just dismissing it for a recess. Edited sentence 3 of paragraph 1. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
The 9/11 Breakfast Club (R-FL) Congressman and Chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, Porter Goss - Wikipedia; includes linked info for Senator Jon Kyl (R-AZ) and former FL Governor/Senator Bob Graham (D-FL), Chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence. Edited to include first parenthesis. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
During the 1970s, the MEK killed U.S. military personnel and U.S. civilians working on defense projects in Tehran and supported the takeover in 1979 of the U.S. Embassy in Tehran. And there begins the Iran-Contra saga, basically, that factors into the Philip Marshall case, along with Barry Seal and Porter Goss of Operation 40. See also the manufactured Arc of Crisis strategy of tension, spanning decades: Empire, Energy and Al-Qaeda: The Anglo-American Terror Network Lewis wrote a 1992 article in Foreign Affairs, the journal of the Council on Foreign Relations, titled, “Rethinking the Middle East.” In this article, Lewis raised the prospect of another policy towards the Middle East in the wake of the end of the Cold War and beginnings of the New World Order, “which could even be precipitated by fundamentalism, is what has of late become fashionable to call ‘Lebanonization.’ Most of the states of the Middle East – Egypt is an obvious exception – are of recent and artificial construction and are vulnerable to such a process. If the central power is sufficiently weakened, there is no real civil society to hold the polity together, no real sense of common national identity or overriding allegiance to the nation-state. The state then disintegrates – as happened in Lebanon – into a chaos of squabbling, feuding, fighting sects, tribes, regions and parties.”[28] ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
2. Iran-Contra Affair 1. Old hand CIA operatives here. 2. They were running Iran-Contra out of the airport at Mena, Arkansas when Bill Clinton was governor. He likely knew this was going on since I doubt they would run an operation in his state without informing him they were doing so. ;) "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
Hit the nail on the head with this one. ;) "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
www.hiddenmysteries.org/t...cles/crimes-clinton.shtml chimpy and bucky make me really miss the scumball... “The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken I don't agree with many of his "details;" but I think his demise wasn't so much in the facts he presented; versus his ability to quickly and thoroughly "convince" skeptics. As a contrast, I've always been convinced that the demise of MLK was his ability to quickly and dynamically 'influence' the public; add that his speaking style was remarkably close to a certain scary German orator; of infamy - with obviously comparable effect. Similarly, JFK & RFK were unaffordable liabilities. For a 'reasonable' historical timeline, I look at 1960 as the "emergence" date of what Daddy Bush later referred to (profusely) as the "New World Order."
Something new from the Union Democrat: The mother of two teenagers, slain more than two months ago by their father, revealed details of the downward spiral of their marriage in an exclusive interview and various legal records she provided to The Union Democrat. Sean Plummer married Philip Marshall on April 14, 1995. In the earliest years of their marriage, there were no signs of Marshall’s dark side, she said. “He was not mentally ill when I met him,” Plummer said. “He was very charming and funny … everybody loved him. I was fooled, and that’s how good these people are.” About a year after their son, Alex, was born in November 1995, Plummer said she “started seeing signs of anger … he couldn’t find something (so) he’d just tear things up.” According to a Jan. 7, 2009, treatment summary written by Florida psychiatrist Dr. Liana Urfer, and provided by Plummer to The Union Democrat, Marshall was diagnosed with bipolar affective disorder after “a period of apparent manic symptoms occurring in 2001 to 2003.” In 2002, Marshall, a professional airline pilot, “was smoking a lot of (marijuana) … and absolutely should not have been flying a plane,” Plummer recalled. Urfer wrote that prescriptions of Wellbutrin, Lamictal and Provigil were successively given to Marshall then discontinued “due to lack of perceived efficacy.” She saw “no evidence of active manic or hypomanic symptoms” during treatment from September 2006 to December 2007. When the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks occurred, Plummer said Marshall developed an obsession. “I think whenever you get that intent on something … you start alienating yourself,” she said. “That was his whole life.” Marshall went on to research and write two books theorizing Saudi Arabian and United States government collusion in the attacks — 2008’s “False Flag 911: How Bush, Cheney and the Saudis Created the Post-911 World” and “The Big Bamboozle: 9/11 and the War on Terror,” published in February 2012. The United Airlines pilot injured himself on Sept. 3, 2004, carrying several pieces of luggage up a jetway and stairs when he experienced a pop in his left knee, according to records from a Redwood City clinic. A February 2006 visit to the same clinic revealed non-work-related degenerative damage to his hip. He took the painkiller Vicodin at that time and went on to have knee surgery in November 2006 as well as an injection to block the hip pain. Marshall made brief attempts to return to work but last flew for United on Nov. 30, 2005, effectively ending his 16-year career with the airline. A Nov. 17, 2006, letter to Marshall from United stated the airline began to pay him a $9,008 monthly disability benefit in December 2005. The family moved regularly. In retrospect, Plummer said she can look back and see it as an aspect of Marshall’s controlling nature. She worked as a buyer for Nordstrom and started her own clothing line among jobs at various stops. “Whenever I would do really well, we would move,” Plummer said. The couple separated briefly in 2006 while living in Florida. Plummer said Marshall convinced her then to see a psychotherapist. The therapist helped in an unexpected way. “All the sudden I figured out it wasn’t me,” she said, adding the therapist described Marshall to her as a “charismatic sociopath” and a narcissist. Though not a formal diagnosis, this is how Plummer views Marshall’s mental illness. “This is a charismatic sociopath,” Plummer said. “Period. The end. There is no medication for that.” Marshall obsessed about having control and bullied people, including herself and their children, Alex and Macaila, in different ways, Plummer said. “Phil treated Alex totally different from how he treated Macaila,” she said. “She always stood up for herself. She would never leave my side. He was scared of Macaila and he never showed Alex his true colors (regarding) me. With Alex, it was more like ‘You’re too short to play this sport or that sport.’ … Macaila, he basically just ignored her for years.” Later in 2006, the family moved together to the Forest Meadows home where Philip Marshall ended his and their children’s lives. Plummer said she then found out Marshall was having an affair with a woman who lived in Murphys. The tension in their marriage peaked in 2008. Plummer often refers to that year as a shorthand for the ugliest point in their family’s history prior to the double murder-suicide. The couple legally separated on Aug. 15, 2008, according to court records. Plummer moved into a home in the Fieldstone subdivision of Murphys, while Marshall remained at the Forest Meadows house. Plummer said Marshall had cut off all financial support to her for six months and she found part-time work at a candle shop in downtown Murphys. She relied on a support group of dedicated friends and family, she said. On Nov. 11, 2008, a Calaveras County sheriff’s deputy arrested Plummer on suspicion of petty theft, trespassing and possession of drugs without a prescription after Marshall hid in a shower and videotaped her removing his painkillers from the bathroom of the Forest Meadows home. Plummer claims she took the pills to give to her lawyer as proof of Marshall’s drug use. She spent two days in jail, and charges were dropped nearly a year later after she attended Narcotics Anonymous meetings. On Nov. 21, 2012, Calaveras County Superior Court Judge John Martin signed an order granting the couple’s mediated agreement to share custody of the children and have Marshall begin to pay $2,400 a month in child support and $1,000 in temporary spousal support. On Dec. 5, Marshall allegedly slapped Erin Chamberlain, Plummer’s sister, and was arrested on suspicion of domestic violence. No charges were ever filed. Plummer’s friend Deana Richter was there when the Dec. 5 incident occurred and recalled in an email to Plummer last week that “Phil pointed his finger at me like a gun and smiled. After that he would do that to me whenever he saw me. It was disturbing when I would see him with the kids, they would run up to me with hugs, like they always did, and I would look over at him and he was pointing that finger gun at me.” Another friend, Sheila Krpan, said she never liked Marshall and could see disturbing aspects of his personality. “Phil was very, very good … at manipulating people and getting people to buy his side of the story,” she said. Despite all the turmoil of 2008, Plummer dropped the divorce proceedings the following year. She said Marshall had become suicidal. “It’s hard. Being a mom you know, you just want to be a family,” she said. “I didn’t want the kids to lose their dad. He was on his best behavior a month and then he started with the bullying (again) … if I left with the kids, it would have been called kidnapping. We dropped the proceedings because it was too gnarly. I was winning and (Marshall) said I was winning.” Though their relationship remained strained, “I took (Phil) to Istanbul with me,” Plummer said, recalling a trip done as part of Broads Abroad, her business buying goods overseas for domestic retailers. “I had him here for the holidays. I included him fully in our life because I never wanted to go back to 2008.” Plummer was back in Turkey when she learned of her children’s deaths at Marshall’s hands sometime between Jan. 31 and Feb. 2. As she holds plastic bags containing the children’s ashes, she recalls her first thoughts upon receiving them. “I was literally thinking, ‘Can I put them together again?’” she said. Raised on beaches from Southern California to the Spanish island of Ibiza, Plummer said she found something comforting in the ashes’ appearance. “It’s sand,” she said. “The whitest of white.” Marshall also killed the dog Plummer had bought for Macaila, a Shih Tzu named Sukie. The dog, like Macaila, usually lived with Plummer. Alex split time more evenly between his parents. Plummer said just the right set of circumstances had to come into play to put them all there the weekend they were killed. While Plummer was in Turkey, Macaila would have typically stayed with friends, but she went to her father’s house after a golf cart mishap that left her legs badly scraped up, Plummer said. “I thought that bullet would be for me always,” she said. Plummer said Marshall devised a plan to hurt her even worse than just killing her. “I had become too strong. I became the woman he married again,” she said. “There is no category for that (act). This is not something I would have expected ever … he loved his kids. He loved that dog. (But) he loved himself more than anything.” “He couldn’t control (Alex) anymore. He could never control Macaila,” she said. “He couldn’t control me anymore.” Plummer said toxicology reports of moderate levels of alcohol in the system of each child surprised her. “Alex would never, ever have anything to drink in front of Phil,” she said. “He set Alex up. He probably said something like ‘You’re a big guy, c’mon.’” Records provided by Plummer showed the Forest Meadows home was financially distressed. The couple had “negative equity” of $63,000 in the house, according to a letter to the couple from a mediator in their divorce proceedings, which Plummer renewed in October 2012. Marshall also left records at the crime scene indicating $67,000 in unspecified debts, sheriff’s officials said. Plummer said she knows “for a fact” Marshall told friends she was suicidal and he expected her to discover the bodies and kill herself after learning of his act. Friends of Alex and Macaila saw Philip Marshall’s body from a front window Feb. 2 and called police, who discovered the children’s and dog’s bodies upon entry. Plummer said she has paid little mind to conspiracy theories circulating online and even picked up by Iranian television that say the U.S. government covered up a murder of Marshall and his children. Plummer did say she thinks Marshall knew those theories would abound in light of his books. “He wanted me to see (the crime scene). He was the epitome of a bully. Society helped him be a bully, not just society but government … sure, yeah, give him a gun. Let him buy ammo,” she said. “I’ll never be able to be inside his head. I’ll never be able to know for sure … (but) he missed a little something about me. I have too much faith in God.” Plummer said she did not learn until long after Marshall bought the 9mm Glock he used to kill himself and their children that he possessed it. “He said pilots had to have them for work,” she said. Marshall retained his pilot’s license at the time of his death despite his grounding by United. New Orleans media reported he flew planes over the Saints’ practice facility and MetLife Stadium in New Jersey last summer carrying a banner to protest the NFL’s suspension of Saints coach Sean Payton. Plummer said she will campaign for increased gun control and better treatment of mental illness. “I need to use my voice for Macaila. I need to use my voice for Alex,” she said. “Just because they’re physically gone doesn’t mean they’re gone.” Plummer left her rented Greenhorn Creek home this week to move back to Southern California and be closer to other family members. Philip Marshall’s toxicology screen showed the painkillers hydrocodone and morphine in his blood as well as hydroxybupropion, a derivative of the antidepressant bupropion, according to the Calaveras County Sheriff’s Office. A property report of items seized from Marshall’s home by investigators after the killings lists numerous prescription bottles belonging to Marshall: a bottle of hydrocodone mixed with Tylenol; two bottles of bupropion; and one or two bottles each of the antidepressants amitriptylene, escitalopram, aripiprazole and bupropion, some of which were empty. Plummer said the Sheriff’s Office has provided her the name of the laboratory that still has possession of Marshall’s computer and her children’s cell phones. She is working to have them returned. She also expects drugs seized from Marshall’s home to be tested to help determine what effects they may have had on his mind when combined. “It’s going to take a lot of people to figure out what went wrong,” she said. http://www.uniondemocrat.com/News/Local-News/Plummer-says-killer-husband-controlling-sociopath
it's buy-partisan now, thanks to the creator of the Drug Czar, Joey Biden.
This sounds totally bogus to me.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken The audience, at 1:45, collectively look like they're all thinking, "Are you shitting me? and what the hell are you talking about?" “The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken Thanks; I missed this one. Unfortunately, it's obviously the identical message as Daddy Bush. It's not good news.
2. Iran-Contra Affair 1. Old hand CIA operatives here. 2. They were running Iran-Contra out of the airport at Mena, Arkansas when Bill Clinton was governor. He likely knew this was going on since I doubt they would run an operation in his state without informing him they were doing so. ;) Iran-Contra seems to be the link between several people discussed in this topic who are reportedly dead or presumed dead under somewhat mysterious circumstances or by alleged assassination: Barry Seal, Prince Bandar Bush, Hank Asher, Philip Marshall. Marshall's case serves the Anti-2nd Amendment agendists and also those opposed to 9/11 Truth investigations. He sort of reminds me of the character, Gabriel Singer, in the Bruce Willis movie, RED. Frank Moses (Bruce Willis), a former black-ops CIA agent, is retired and living a quiet life in a Cleveland suburb. His life is disrupted when a hit squad raids his house in the middle of the night. the title is derived from the designation of the status of agent Frank Moses (Bruce Willis), meaning "Retired, Extremely Dangerous". The film was released on October 15, 2010. A sequel, is scheduled for release on July 19, 2013. Frank first goes to New Orleans and finds his terminally ill mentor Joe Matheson (Morgan Freeman), living in a retirement community. They then track down Marvin Boggs (John Malkovich), also a former black ops agent and a paranoid conspiracy theorist, to provide more information. Marvin tells them that the names on the [hit] list are all connected to a 1981 secret mission in Guatemala in which Frank and Marvin participated, and that one person, [pilot] Gabriel Singer (James Remar), is still alive. The trio track down Singer, who tells them that the mission involved extracting a person from a village and that everybody on the list has been killed to silence them. Singer is then assassinated by a helicopter-borne machine-gunner, and the team escapes ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
It can only happen in the movies. But, I've lead an interesting life. Not as complex as in the movie, but darn close. ;) "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
Speaker Hastert makes a critical statement at 2:47 about adjourning the House. The question is, in the paniced conditions of the day, did he adjourn it sine die? -- "without appointing a day on which to appear or assemble again."[2]; Reference: Adjournment sine die. That reference also notes an adjournment sine die of the 110th Congress in 2008. What's remarkable about that and possibly the 9/11 adjournment by Hastert is that to adjourn the legislature sine die with no appointed time to reassemble has the connotation/effect of dissolving Congress, not just dismissing it for a recess. Cross-referencing pilotsfor911truth.org link at Post #266 of 4um Title: 9 11 Fake Video Stars The J Star Clones – Why Covert Operation’s Cointel Must Have ‘Fake’ Video and ‘No Planes’: Excerpts: http://www.gpoaccess.gov/c record/01crpgs.html http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/ge...mp;position=all [accessible at the pilotsfor911truthpage] RECESS 0952 PRAYER RECESS 1003 AFTER RECESS Noted for procedural and evacuation research, etc. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Excerpts: goss is officially on record as being on the floor of the House at 9:52am, where he calls everyone to a quick prayer: http://www.gpoaccess.gov/c record/01crpgs.html RECESS 0952 PRAYER RECESS 1003 AFTER RECESS Noted for procedural and evacuation research, etc. I think that is very strange and this is why: Timeline for the day of the September 11 attacks - Wikipedia [Relevant summary with bracketed inserts by me for the House of Representatives info] 9:03:02: Flight 175 crashes into the South Tower 9:08: The FAA bans all takeoffs nationwide for flights going to or through New York Center airspace. [9:20 The House of Representatives is recessed for 40 minutes until 10:00.] 9:39: Fox News Channel reports, "We -- we are hearing -- right now that another explosion that -- has taken place. At the Pentagon." 9:42: the FAA issues the execution order for SCATANA grounding all air traffic over the United States and diverting any incoming international traffic to alternate destinations. 9:43: The White House and the Capitol are evacuated and closed. 9:45: United States airspace is shut down. No civilian aircraft are allowed to take off, and all aircraft in flight are ordered to land at the nearest airport as soon as possible. [9:52 After the Capitol is in evacuation for 9 minutes, Porter Goss as Speaker pro tempore ends the House recess 8 minutes early. The House stays in session for 1 minute, supposedly for a prayer -- 32 minutes after recess had initially been called -- but who is still there?] [9:53 The House of Representatives goes into recess again, but this time is subject to the call of the Chair] -- i.e. not Speaker of the House, Hastert, or the appointed Speaker pro tempore acting in his place...meaning that during the minute that the House was recalled to session (supposedly for a prayer but more than half an hour after the House had recessed and after evacuation/closing of the Capitol was being implemented for 9 minutes), the status of the House of Representatives was seemingly changed somehow to Committee of the Whole mode. See Wikipedia excerpt below for more on that.] 9:58:59 The South Tower of the World Trade Center collapses [10:03 The 2nd House recess ended after 10 minutes (but 3 minutes after the 1st recess was scheduled to end), when it was apparently re-called to order at this time by the Chair. If anyone had returned by 10:00, thinking that was when the recess they had heard called was scheduled to be over, they might have been told that the House was in an indefinite recess period due to the crisis and then left again -- to await notification from "the Chair" to return whenever conditions had improved enough. Legislation could then have been passed by stealth in "Committee" mode without a quorum. However, an indefinite recess amounts to adjournment sine die (without a set time to return), which has the connotation/effect of dissolving Congress. Reference: Post #220 above.] 10:03:11 United Airlines Flight 93 is crashed 10:10 Part of the west side of the Pentagon collapses. 10:28:22 The North Tower of the World Trade Center collapses. 10:50:19 Five stories of part of the Pentagon collapse due to the fire. Speaker of the United States House of Representatives - Wikipedia On the floor of the House, the presiding officer is always addressed as "Mister Speaker" or "Madam Speaker," even if it is a Speaker pro tempore, [sic] When the House resolves itself into a Committee of the Whole, the Speaker designates a member to preside over the Committee as the Chairman, who is addressed as "Mister Chairman" or "Madam Chairwoman." Committee of the Whole (United States House of Representatives) - Wikipedia Procedurally, the Committee of the Whole differs from the House of Representatives even though they have identical membership. The Committee of the Whole only requires 100 members for a quorum, while only 25 members are required to force a recorded rather than voice vote. In the version of the Committee of the Whole that existed in the British House of Commons, the original use of this committee was to debate bills privately and prevent a recorded vote from being taken. It is normally invoked to give initial consideration of important legislation, including bills for raising revenue, and serves to expedite the process since debate over amendment occurs under a special five-minute rule. The House and the Committee of the Whole do not operate at the same time; rather, to consider bills, the House must resolve itself into the Committee of the Whole. To dissolve itself, the Committee of the Whole must "rise and report with a recommendation". The Committee of the Whole can recommend amendments to any bill. The House must then approve these amendments before the amendments are added to the final bill. It allows bills and resolutions to be considered without adhering to all the formal rules of a House session, such as needing a quorum of 218. Edited for spelling. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
9/11: Is this AA Flight 77? And what is this explosion? - YouTube [Link set to start at 1:47] 1:47-3:04 -- Hastert and Goss statements, which conflict with the reported timelines noted above at Post #235. Also, in the first 22 seconds, Goss makes a statement that contradicts assertions by officials like Condoleezza Rice that the use of a plane in a terrorist attack was not a possibility that had been considered previously. Edited for formatting and timestamping. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#2. To: FormerLurker (#1)
This was obviously a state approved hit.
#3. To: FormerLurker (#1)
This was obviously a state approved hit.
#4. To: wudidiz (#0)
"PICTURES PAINT A THOUSAND WORDS," read one such Facebook post from Marshall about photographs of the assassinated Al Qaeda leader. "Since bin Laden died in 2001, these would be "alleged" photos of bin Laden. Give us a break."
"It is the habit of unhappiness to rewrite our lives and from a different beginning come to a different ending. We cling to the past and what it could have been; what we wanted, or thought we wanted, before we were taught by a broken heart that our own good intentions have little effect on the way things are."
D. W. Buffa, Breach of Trust
#5. To: Turtle (#2)
He was a mental case, as all conspiracists are.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#6. To: purplerose (#3)
This reminds me of William Cooper and how he died in Nov of 2001 by those who ambushed him at gunpoint and shot him dead.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#7. To: wudidiz (#0)
Phillip (alternately, "Philip") Marshall, 54, a career airline pilot who claimed to have once served as a contract pilot for the CIA and DEA during the Iran-Contra affair, shot and killed his two teenage children, and the family dog, then killed himself.
#8. To: scrapper2 (#7)
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Murphys, CA is not an upscale community by a long shot.
"Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking; where it is absent, discussion is apt to become worse than useless." ~ Leo Tolstoy
#9. To: scrapper2 (#7)
3. If this pilot worked for the CIA and DEA, he would not be living in Murphys.
"Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking; where it is absent, discussion is apt to become worse than useless." ~ Leo Tolstoy
#10. To: scrapper2 (#7)
2. If this pilot was a "career airline pilot" he would not be living in Murphys.
"Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking; where it is absent, discussion is apt to become worse than useless." ~ Leo Tolstoy
#11. To: FormerLurker (#1)
This was obviously a state approved hit.
#12. To: titorite (#11)
It could just as easily be a complete fabrication like sandyhoax
"Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking; where it is absent, discussion is apt to become worse than useless." ~ Leo Tolstoy
#13. To: titorite, FormerLurker, scrapper2, all (#11)
"Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking; where it is absent, discussion is apt to become worse than useless." ~ Leo Tolstoy
#14. To: All, *Black Ops - Psyops* (#13)
www.calaverasenterprise.c...e2-99e8-001a4bcf887a.html
"Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking; where it is absent, discussion is apt to become worse than useless." ~ Leo Tolstoy
#15. To: wudidiz (#8)
#16. To: wudidiz (#14)
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#17. To: scrapper2 (#16)
"Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking; where it is absent, discussion is apt to become worse than useless." ~ Leo Tolstoy
#18. To: scrapper2 (#15)
An upscale golfing community in a non upscale town is non, nothing, nada.
"Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking; where it is absent, discussion is apt to become worse than useless." ~ Leo Tolstoy
#19. To: wudidiz (#17)
#20. To: scrapper2 (#16)
Experienced airline pilots earn $300,000+ per year.
"Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking; where it is absent, discussion is apt to become worse than useless." ~ Leo Tolstoy
#21. To: scrapper2, all (#19)
Nice try.
"Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking; where it is absent, discussion is apt to become worse than useless." ~ Leo Tolstoy
#22. To: scrapper2 (#16)
wud,
"Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking; where it is absent, discussion is apt to become worse than useless." ~ Leo Tolstoy
#23. To: wudidiz (#21)
I CAN'T WORK LIKE THIS PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
#24. To: titorite (#23)
a couple original sources:
"Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking; where it is absent, discussion is apt to become worse than useless." ~ Leo Tolstoy
#25. To: FormerLurker (#1)
This was obviously a state approved hit.
#26. To: scrapper2 (#16)
Experienced airline pilots earn $300,000+ per year.
#27. To: scrapper2 (#15)
This so-called uber successful pilot - if he was all that he said he was - would be living in a coastal town in CA.
#28. To: scrapper2 (#16)
#29. To: RickyJ, FormerLurker (#25)
Gail Spiro’s family buried Ian next to Gail and the kids in England. They have never wavered in their insistence that detectives have settled on the wrong man— that the Ian they knew never could have turned into a murderous, suicidal monster.
#30. To: RickyJ, FormerLurker (#25)
Gail Spiro’s family buried Ian next to Gail and the kids in England. They have never wavered in their insistence that detectives have settled on the wrong man— that the Ian they knew never could have turned into a murderous, suicidal monster.
#31. To: All (#29)
The answers, they say, lie in the Middle East. They can’t offer any physical evidence but say their gut instincts and their own inquiries point to the intelligence community, most likely stemming from Ian’s role in Iran-Contra.
#32. To: All (#31)
But the scope of the investigation by the Sheriff’s Department has gone far beyond the Middle East. With the help of the FBI, investigators have been interviewing scores of Spiro’s business contacts, seeking real evidence to back various theories. Detectives also looked into his connection with a Chicago convict, jailed on drug charges, who is involved in the so-called Inslaw scandal. According to court documents filed shortly after the murders, Spiro was holding computer equipment essential for the inmate to prove a Justice Department conspiracy to steal sophisticated computer software.
#33. To: wudidiz (#0)
Phillip Marshall has been identified as a former pilot for Eastern and United airlines. He self-published a number of books, including at least two about his 9/11 conspiracy theories: "The Big Bamboozle" (February 9, 2012) and "False Flag 911: How Bush, Cheney and the Saudis Created the Post-911 World" (July 29, 2008).
#34. To: scrapper2 (#15)
#35. To: scrapper2 (#15)
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#36. To: noone222 (#29)
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Eleven-year-old Dina, 14-year-old Adam and 16-year-old Sara were tucked into their beds, gunshot wounds to their heads. Apparently the murderer was careful not to wake them before firing the fatal shots. Dina was neatly wrapped in her blanket, only her head and one arm poking out. Down the hall, at the other end of the house, is the master bedroom, where their mother, Gail Spiro, was murdered in a similar execution style.
#37. To: GreyLmist, 4 (#36)
(Detectives still refuse to say whether they believe Street’s gun was the murder weapon; nor will they discuss the size of the deadly bullets. “We don’t think it’s important for the public to know the caliber of the weapon,” Tenwolde says.)
#38. To: GreyLmist (#36)
#39. To: GreyLmist (#36)
#40. To: noone222 (#39)
#41. To: Lod (#37)
(Detectives still refuse to say whether they believe Street’s gun was the murder weapon; nor will they discuss the size of the deadly bullets. “We don’t think it’s important for the public to know the caliber of the weapon,” Tenwolde says.)
#42. To: wudidiz (#24)
#43. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#42)
#44. To: noone222 (#43)
#45. To: christine (#44)
color me skeptical (again).
#46. To: RickyJ (#25)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#47. To: noone222 (#29)
Eleven-year-old Dina, 14-year-old Adam and 16-year-old Sara were tucked into their beds, gunshot wounds to their heads. Apparently the murderer was careful not to wake them before firing the fatal shots. Dina was neatly wrapped in her blanket, only her head and one arm poking out. Down the hall, at the other end of the house, is the master bedroom, where their mother, Gail Spiro, was murdered in a similar execution style.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#48. To: noone222 (#32)
I know I've drifted away from the most recent case but the Inslaw matter has never been satisfactorily concluded. It encompasses a myriad of events like Danny (The Octopus) Casolaro's murder (called suicide), Iran Contra, Promis Software stolen by the Reagan Administration, The Cabazon Indian Reservation, Wackenhut, Ed Meese, and lots more.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#49. To: wudidiz (#0)
#50. To: FormerLurker (#46)
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#51. To: Aquila (#49)
#52. To: wudidiz (#13)
#53. To: christine (#51)
#54. To: Aquila (#53)
Looks like he was trying to get a message out, not check out...
#55. To: titorite (#52)
and for some reason the dog had to go...
"Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking; where it is absent, discussion is apt to become worse than useless." ~ Leo Tolstoy
#56. To: Aquila (#49)
Here's the 12,000 block of Sandalwood.
"Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking; where it is absent, discussion is apt to become worse than useless." ~ Leo Tolstoy
#57. To: Aquila (#49)
#58. To: wudidiz (#55)
how many reasons could there be?
#59. To: Lod (#34)
#60. To: Artisan (#59)
("becauuse we shopuldnt be taxed on property we already own")
#61. To: FormerLurker (#47)
Probably used a silencer to avoid waking them as he picked one off at a time while sleeping.
#62. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#42)
Zillow says 1200 block home prices are $300-$500k.
#63. To: scrapper2 (#62)
CA home prices start high and go stratospheric from there (except for ghettos).
#64. To: wudidiz, titorite, RickyJ, noone222, Former Lurker, Lod, purplerose, GreyLmist, christine, All (#21)
I CAN'T WORK LIKE THIS PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
#65. To: scrapper2 (#64)
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#66. To: scrapper2 (#64)
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#67. To: titorite (#63)
Oh stop that and just admit that you were incorrect.
#68. To: all (#67)
a. I am correct.
#69. To: titorite (#66)
He did not post about anything you are attempting to distract us with. IF you are not going to post something relevant to the topic at hand do us all the favor your mommy should of taught as a child and just remain silent instead.
#70. To: scrapper2 (#69)
Crock of lying shit
#71. To: titorite (#68)
#72. To: scrapper2 (#71)
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No more guessing. It is quite apparent that you are the very stupid variety.
#73. To: scrapper2 (#67)
That is not the case in CA. It's all about location, location, location.
#74. To: scrapper2 (#71)
#75. To: purplerose (#74)
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#76. To: scrapper2 (#75)
#77. To: wudidiz (#0)
#78. To: titorite, scrapper2 (#72)
Here we go again...
"Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking; where it is absent, discussion is apt to become worse than useless." ~ Leo Tolstoy
#79. To: scrapper2 (#69)
real news
"Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking; where it is absent, discussion is apt to become worse than useless." ~ Leo Tolstoy
#80. To: wudidiz (#79)
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#81. To: titorite (#80)
It maybe that he found nothing special at all but rather the government just had it out for one of their own that crossed the line.
we they would have his assailants on camera
"Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking; where it is absent, discussion is apt to become worse than useless." ~ Leo Tolstoy
#82. To: titorite, scrapper2 (#68)
I swear to god you are acting just as bad as FormerLurker or RickyJ
#83. To: FormerLurker (#6)
Terrance Yeakey
#84. To: RickyJ, titorite, scrapper2 (#82)
You aren't acting bad, but you do seem to think there is no possibility that those making a 200G+ a year might actually choose to live inland.
#85. To: noone222 (#38)
That (Spiro) story is from quite awhile ago.
This recent "murder-suicide" is similar but less confusing as far as the dad is concerned. In this latest case the dad is a baseball coach and pretty easy going. He has admitted his association with Iran/Contra, the CIA and etc., as a pilot and in addition he worked for two major airlines.
While cruising through articles I ran across one that happened to mention the string of murders that cause one to ask if they are related. Chris Kyle, the sniper (did he also do jobs for the CIA, in other countries that were drug war related), and there were a couple of more mentioned that I am unable to relocate. One was a guy that was a popular gun enthusiast or gun store owner, another was Aaron Schwartz ...
It's just not likely that this guy (who was recently on Coast to Coast with John Wells and considered cogent and rational) murdered his two children, their dog and himself. I also think it's weird that the articles claim the kids were asleep "on the couch" and each person was shot once in the head.
The mother of the two children, Sean Marshall, was out of the country.
#86. To: noone222, randge (#45)
His book (The Big Bamboozle) exposes the use of Blackwater, Pinal AirPark, (a known CIA operation from the Vietnam era) and large commercial Aircraft registered to some Saudi Prince for training in the Desert, among many other things.
Bandar bin Sultan (born 2 March 1949) is a member of the House of Saud and was Saudi Arabia's ambassador to the United States from 1983 to 2005. In 2005, he was named as Secretary General of the National Security Council [Saudi Arabia's]. He was appointed Director General of the Saudi Intelligence Agency by King Abdullah on 19 July 2012.
#87. To: GreyLmist (#85)
despite asserting that an experienced pilot like himself probably couldn't have hit it so luckily.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1564177/
See Annex: The Illustrated Medico-Legal Cases
Case 1
In 1998, a new family doctor, unaware of this adverse reaction to fluoxetine, prescribed paroxetine 20 mg to DS, for what was diagnosed as an anxiety disorder. Two days later having had, it is believed, two doses of medication, DS using a gun put three bullets each through the heads of his wife, his daughter who was visiting, and his nine-month-old granddaughter before killing himself.
#88. To: titorite, scrapper2, RickyJ, wudidiz, All (#68)
I swear to god you are acting just as bad as FormerLurker or RickyJ
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#89. To: Artisan (#83)
last year i was in OKC waiting in line at a restaurant at 2am. 4 cops walked in & i started chatting about Yeakey.One of the older cops knew "Terry".i mentioned the shady circustances of his death & he knodded & shook his head & you couldve heard crickets
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#90. To: FormerLurker (#89)
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#91. To: RickyJ (#82)
You can consider that a compliment. You aren't acting bad, but you do seem to think there is no possibility that those making a 200G+ a year might actually choose to live inland. The majority may indeed live near the coast making that much, but that doesn't mean they all do.
#92. To: purplerose (#3)
This reminds me of William Cooper and how he died in Nov of 2001 by those who ambushed him at gunpoint and shot him dead. It was also a hit by the upper echelons who wanted him dead too for his controversial book, "Behold a Pale Horse" where he was exposing everything from mind control to chemtrails.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#93. To: Dakmar (#90)
you've got to pick up every stitch...
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#94. To: Dakmar (#90)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#95. To: Aquila (#87)
#96. To: Dakmar (#91)
...those making a 200G+ a year might actually choose to live inland.
#97. To: scrapper2, titorite, wudidiz, All, *The Border*, *Totalitarian Tiptoe* (#15)
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This so-called uber successful pilot - if he was all that he said he was - would be living in a coastal town in CA.
Yesterday it was announced that the U.S. Constitution now STOPS one- hundred miles from every border this nation had. This creates an illegal buffer zone
The major cities impacted by this new ruling include everyone in the following cities:
#98. To: wudidiz (#0)
Phillip Marshall Wrote About a Conspiracy; Was He the Victim of One?
http://www.santabarbaraview.com/phillip-marshall-wrote-about-a-conspiracy-was-he-victim-of-one4254252/
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#99. To: Aquila (#98)
#100. To: GreyLmist (#97)
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#101. To: Aquila (#98)
"Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking; where it is absent, discussion is apt to become worse than useless." ~ Leo Tolstoy
#102. To: scrapper2 (#100)
Yes, I already posted a similar article on this subject 02/09. As you note, there did not get much interest because the Dorner story was front stage.
#103. To: wudidiz (#101)
Excellent, thank you and welcome! :)
I doubt they killed him over his 9/11 musings. None of that hasn't been discussed over and over again by countless others and I don't think he was all that accurate about his suspicions anyway. I mean, it wasn't the Saudis and even if it was it's not like he's the one who started that rumour
From the quote:
#104. To: Aquila (#103)
I've never done any reading about that specifically (I'm going to now), but what if that is true? Was the *Senator* "muzzled"? And if he was, why isn't this discussed more? All this is, of course, complicated by the fact that there are no real journalists or reporters any more.
"Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking; where it is absent, discussion is apt to become worse than useless." ~ Leo Tolstoy
#105. To: noone222 (#99)
interview that Phil did with Coast 2 Coast's John B. Wells
#106. To: Aquila (#105)
#107. To: Aquila (#105)
@1:44:28 "...you really don't have any security when you have so many people that have access to your personal whereabouts..."
#108. To: GreyLmist, Lod, christine (#102)
I'd like to read it if you can point me to the thread.
#109. To: scrapper2, GreyLmist, 4, 0 comments, all (#108)
*I take no personal offense at O responses. I will continue to post articles/ my opinions on 4um when I can, because christine gives us all a wonderful gift ( rare these days when political correctness reigns supreme)- an non judgmental platform @ 4um to exercise our free speech rights.*
#110. To: Aquila, noone222, *No Planers* (#98)
During the editing and pre-marketing process of Marshall’s book, he expressed some degree of paranoia because the nonfiction work accused the George W. Bush administration of being in cahoots with the Saudi intelligence community in training the hijackers who died in the planes used in the attacks.
a coordinated training operation that prepared the hijackers to fly heavy commercial airliners. We have dozens of FBI documents to prove that this flight training was conducted California, Florida and Arizona in the 18 months leading up to the attack.”
1. Pinal Airpark - Wikipedia
Uploaded at YouTube on Feb 12, 2012 by ResistNWOrder
C2C w/host John Wells
#111. To: scrapper2, GreyLmist, Lod, christine, noone222, aquila, 1 comment, all (#108)
"Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking; where it is absent, discussion is apt to become worse than useless." ~ Leo Tolstoy
#112. To: All (#105)
From this and a few other articles I’ve found on the net I’ve compiled a few questions....
a) dog killed in the bedroom,
b) children killed while sleeping on the couch.
#113. To: Aquila (#112)
Aquila is a constellation in the northern sky. Its name is Latin for 'eagle' and it represents the bird who carried Zeus's/Jupiter's thunderbolts in Greco-Roman mythology.
#114. To: GreyLmist (#97)
This was designed to give these traitors a protected-zone to supposedly bring in troops (UN-NATO or otherwise), to do what they cannot do without this CRIMINALLY-ENFORCED-TREASON. This way they can have full control of all the ports and all the major cities near what used to be the borders of the United States.
#115. To: Aquila (#112)
#116. To: scrapper2, christine (#108)
I posted it on Sunday night - 02/10 ( I mis-remembered the date). It was the same Wired original source as you posted today.
christine gives us all a wonderful gift ( rare these days when political correctness reigns supreme)- an non judgmental platform @ 4um to exercise our free speech rights.*
#117. To: Aquila (#112)
#118. To: BTP Holdings (#114)
This was designed to give these traitors a protected-zone to supposedly bring in troops (UN-NATO or otherwise), to do what they cannot do without this CRIMINALLY-ENFORCED-TREASON. This way they can have full control of all the ports and all the major cities near what used to be the borders of the United States.
#119. To: GreyLmist (#118)
similar to how they manuever to remove our rights from us only quicker and more ethically by deeming them Secessionists.
#120. To: BTP Holdings (#119)
#121. To: wudidiz (#0)
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DS Holter February 11, 2013 at 12:56 am #
Marshall: "I don't know, I'm looking out my window right now...(laughter)...I don't know...Like they said in that movie- go out on your feet or go out on your knees- take your choice but we're all goin' out at some point...
http://disc.yourwebapps.com/discussion.cgi?disc=149495;article=144044;title=APFN
#122. To: Aquila (#121)
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Here is the link to the page with the .mp3
http://disc.yourwebapps.com/discussion.cgi? disc=149495;article=144044;title=APFN MORE INFO: http://www.apfn.org/apfn/bamboozle.htm
Audio: Philip Marshall (pilot) on Coast to Coast on 09/08/12
http://www.apfn.net/CC301/Sep09'12_10;56PM_001.mp3In the first half, veteran airline captain Philip Marshall revealed the connections between the 9/11 hijackers and the Saudi Arabian intelligence community. Lead investigator of the Congressional Joint Inquiry, Senator Bob Graham, uncovered such a relationship and has filed a lawsuit against Saudi Arabia for their role in the attack, Marshall said. The hijackers were in contact with Saudi Arabian aviation experts, he continued, adding that "none of the official evidence mentions any kind of role by bin Laden and al-Qaeda." Marshall dismissed theories that the Pentagon was struck by a missile, though he acknowledged that the incredible speed at which the plane was traveling (480 knots) would have made it sound and even appear like a missile attack. Photographic evidence shows Boeing engine turbines inside the Pentagon, as well as wing fairings and other metallic wreckage with American Airline's paint job, he noted. There is no doubt that American Flight 77 hit the Pentagon, Marshall stated.
#123. To: GreyLmist (#120)
There's no reason for Patriots to secede. It's our nation and our Constitution, not the plunder of the Treasonous. They have seceded from our Constitutional Republic and system of government.
#124. To: wudidiz (#0)
February 15-17, 2013 -- Sacramento, CA -- Philip Marshall: A black ops hit made to appear as a suicide Philip Marshall, the retired United Airlines pilot, 9/11 analysis author, and one-time Iran-contra era associate of CIA/DEA informant Barry Seal, did not shoot his two teen-age children and himself. That is the conclusion of everyone who knew Marshall after he moved to the Sierra Nevadas community of Murphys ten years ago after he sold his home in Santa Barbara.
http://www.fileden.com/files/2012/5/4/3300455/PhilipMarshallhitmadetoappearassuicide.pdf
http://thebigbamboozle.tumblr.com/
#125. To: Aquila (#124)
#126. To: GreyLmist, 4 (#122)
There is no doubt that American Flight 77 hit the Pentagon, Marshall stated.
#127. To: Aquila (#124)
#128. To: Lod (#126)
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There is no doubt that American Flight 77 hit the Pentagon, Marshall stated.
#129. To: wudidiz (#0)
(Edited)
http://www.justin.tv/alexjonesinfowars
http://tvpc.com/ChannelList.php
#130. To: GreyLmist (#128)
#131. To: Lod (#126)
Epic fail.
Even Rummy said it was a missile; though more likely a drone of some sort.
Just more of the Dov-zio magic worked on that horrific day. 
#132. To: Lod, Aquila (#130)
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#133. To: Aquila (#131)
#134. To: GreyLmist (#132)
#135. To: GreyLmist (#132)
it shut off
#136. To: Lod (#133)
The Big Bamboozle,
#137. To: Lod (#126)
There is no doubt that American Flight 77 hit the Pentagon, Marshall stated.
#138. To: RickyJ (#137)
http://thebigbamboozle.tumblr.com/
you can see he's not a moron. Far from it. He is very well educated. And, I'd assume that holding Captain ratings in 727,737,747,757 and 767 means he had quite a bit of psychological evaluation. 
#139. To: Aquila (#138)
... what then?
#140. To: Lod (#139)
He now decides who lives and who dies, worldwide!
#141. To: Aquila (#140)
How did the US get to this point? Let's face it, most of the population deserves a police state and the loss of the Republic.
#142. To: Aquila (#138)
If he's Not a "moron" and his kids really died, what then?
#143. To: RickyJ, Lod (#137)
That alone makes me think this guy is either a moron, or is a disinfo agent himself. If he is a disinfo agent, it is possible he and his kids weren't really killed and that he is living undercover somewhere else now.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#144. To: FormerLurker (#143)
#145. To: RickyJ (#142)
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By Stephen Courts
#146. To: All (#145)
#147. To: Aquila (#145)
I just heard someone on a radio program bring this up and the host didn't let the caller speak more than 2 sentences about Saudi involvement before he was cut off completely and then the host went on for about 4 minutes saying talk of Saudi involvement was rubbish and the only thing anyone should concentrate on is the Dancing Israelis.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#148. To: Aquila, RickyJ (#145)
Bush 41 has been running a shadow government for over 30 years. Many of the same players and tactics were used to create 9/11.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#149. To: Aquila (#140)
Not all of us, but certainly a majority. I can't begin to describe all the times I've begged and pleaded with my "friends" to pay attention and wake up- the last big example being the Health Insurance Ripoff and Enslavement Act-- but even when told that the Feds were going to Require these numbnuts to actually buy insurance and send in proof to the IRS with their 1040's they yawned and went back to sleep.
#150. To: christine, all (#149)
The Wayne Madsen segment on Alex Jones last night was excellent and lasted for a full half hour. Well worth the time. He was also on an internet radio program available at link below- haven't listened yet, but if you didn't get to see Madsen last night here's an alternative:
http://noliesradio.org/archives/57581 octagon420 15 days ago
octagon420 15 days ago
http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/17x0kj/former_pilot_and_911_conspiracy_theorist_shoots/ 
#151. To: Aquila (#150)
Meanwhile- What can a single person do? Whether you think Phillip Marshall was guilty or not, the killings deserve a full investigation. Please consider contacting the California Attorney General here oag.ca.gov/ and politely ask for a state investigation. It's the least we can do for Phillip and the truth.
#152. To: Aquila (#150)
#153. To: Lod (#152)
No one, and I mean no gov agency is ever, ever going to investigate a cia-fedgov hit.
#154. To: Aquila (#145)
#155. To: Lod (#152)
Clipped from:John Pistole on Air Safety and Security
Aug 8, 2012
#156. To: noone222 (#154)
I'm reading "The Big Bamboozle" as of today.
#157. To: Aquila, 4 (#155)
#158. To: Lod (#157)
If you haven't read it already, check out House of Bush, House of Saud for more revelations that go back decades and decades.
#159. To: Lod, Aquila (#157)
#160. To: noone222, Aquila, 4 (#159)
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#161. To: noone222 (#159)
I didn't think a plane actually crashed at Shanksville, however Marshall stated that he lost a pilot friend in that crash on 9-11. Who knows ...
#162. To: Lod (#160)
My short take -
#163. To: Aquila (#156)
www.c-spanvideo.org/clip/3666021
#164. To: noone222 (#159)
I'd like to hear the interview that Madsen did with Jones or anyone else on this topic.
black ops team_on the Kevin Barrett Show-
broadcast February 19, 2013. It is now archived here
http://noliesradio.org/archives/57581
I'm using "downloadhelper" firefox extension. Stable and works very well.
#165. To: titorite (#161)
(Edited)
after SandyHoax...perhaps Marshall might of been getting ready to talk about the media manipulation matrix...
#166. To: Lod (#160)
Zero airliner hit the pentagon - that's just insane.
whatever aircraft flew into I and II were remote controlled craft
On the morning of December 1, 1984, the test aircraft took off from Edwards Air Force Base, California, made a left-hand departure and climbed to an altitude of 2,300 feet (700 m). The aircraft was remotely flown by NASA research pilot Fitzhugh Fulton from the NASA Dryden Remotely Controlled Vehicle Facility. All fuel tanks were filled with a total of 76,000 pounds (34,000 kg) of AMK and all engines ran from start-up to impact (the flight time was 9 minutes) on the modified Jet-A. It then began a descent-to-landing along the roughly 3.8-degree glideslope to a specially prepared runway on the east side of Rogers Dry Lake, with the landing gear remaining retracted.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controlled_Impact_Demonstration
#167. To: Aquila (#166)
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#168. To: Aquila (#164)
#169. To: Aquila, 4 (#166)
Something hit the pentagon. What do you think it was?
#170. To: Aquila, Lod, all (#169)
"Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking; where it is absent, discussion is apt to become worse than useless." ~ Leo Tolstoy
#171. To: Aquila, Lod, GreyLmist, noone222, RickyJ (#131)
Not sure if Phillip Marshall's entire theory should be thrown out just because he thinks a plane hit the pentagon. Maybe it did.
"Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking; where it is absent, discussion is apt to become worse than useless." ~ Leo Tolstoy
#172. To: wudidiz (#171)
I think the chance of them showing a video of a plane hitting it if it actually did is approaching 100%.
#173. To: wudidiz, Aqila, All (#0)
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Article excerpt: Beginning with his role in the 1980s as a Learjet captain first as part of a Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) sting on Pablo Escobar, and later in the covert arming of the Nicaraguan Contras, Marshall has studied and written 30-years worth of covert government special activities and the revolving door of Wall Street tricksters, media moguls, and their well funded politicians.
February 15-17, 2013 -- Sacramento, CA -- Philip Marshall: A black ops hit made to appear as a suicide Philip Marshall, the retired United Airlines pilot, 9/11 analysis author, and one-time Iran-contra era associate of CIA/DEA informant Barry Seal
BARRETT [at 9:14]: ...he was obviously mixed up with some pretty high level organized criminals in his days as an associate of Barry Seal [My note: aka Adler Berriman Seal aka Ellis Mackenzie]. Maybe the listeners may not remember that Barry Seal was gunned down in, I think it was Baton Rouge, or New Orleans, one of the two…
#174. To: GreyLmist (#173)
Now I wonder if, at some point, there shouldn’t be a reform in the justice system when a dead person is blamed for a crime, they…a good lawyer should defend that person, and they should have to convict him in court. That would make it a lot harder for these organized crime elements to stage these murder-suicides.
#175. To: All (#110)
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2. Coast to Coast Video of Interview with Philip Marshall at Post #39
YouTube on Feb 12, 2012 by ResistNWOrder
C2C w/host John Wells In a 2008 Harvard law paper, “Conspiracy Theories,” Sunstein and co-author Adrian Vermeule, a Harvard law professor, ask, “What can government do about conspiracy theories?”
meule - French: grindstone
#176. To: Lod (#174)
[Kevin Barrett:] Now I wonder if, at some point, there shouldn’t be a reform in the justice system when a dead person is blamed for a crime, they…a good lawyer should defend that person, and they should have to convict him in court. That would make it a lot harder for these organized crime elements to stage these murder-suicides.
#177. To: wudidiz (#0)
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http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/5728/marshallhouse5000ft.jpg 
http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/1535/marshallhouse4000ft.jpg
I've fired a friends 9mm and it seems that 4 shots without a silencer would have been fairly loud, especially at night
#178. To: Aquila, All (#173)
Post #124 by Aquila: "rainbowsally", posting at santabarbaraview.com
#179. To: Lod (#169)
Rummy said that a missile struck the pentagon
There are two different worlds in aviation — the general single-engine airplane world with a service ceiling of 10,000 feet and a top speed of around 200 miles per hour, and the commercial swept-wing jetliner world at 40,000 feet and Mach numbers for speed calculations. Little within that first world prepares the pilot for the second, high-altitude world.
#180. To: Aquila (#177)
Those houses aren't that far apart but they aren't exactly close together. Would you hear a gunshot (so far it's probably safe to assume the shots were fired late THU or sometime FRI) in the house next door? Across the street?
"Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking; where it is absent, discussion is apt to become worse than useless." ~ Leo Tolstoy
#181. To: Aquila (#179)
maybe none of it is real and we're all circling a distant planet on a broken spaceship and the ship's computer has decided to put us all into a virtual reality to live until old age mercifully kills us rather than kill us outright
"Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking; where it is absent, discussion is apt to become worse than useless." ~ Leo Tolstoy
#182. To: wudidiz (#180)
#183. To: Lod (#182)
the SandyHook debacle
"Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking; where it is absent, discussion is apt to become worse than useless." ~ Leo Tolstoy
#184. To: wudidiz (#183)
#185. To: wudidiz (#183)
What did he know that someone would want him killed?
#186. To: Lod (#174)
Now this is just brilliant!
#187. To: wudidiz (#171)
Phillip Marshall must have been a smart man to be a pilot.
#188. To: noone222 (#185)
Nor do I think he shot his children.
#189. To: RickyJ (#187)
I know plenty of dumb people that are pilots. I'm not saying this guy was dumb, but he either believed false info, which isn't too smart, or was putting false info out on purpose. Even most pilots believe that a 757 did not hit the pentagon.
#190. To: titorite (#189)
#191. To: Aquila, All (#178)
(Edited)
Why Does George W. Bush Fly in Drug Smuggler Barry Seal's Airplane? - FTW/From the Wilderness: As Published in the October 1999 Issue
Adler Berriman Seal (July 16, 1939 – February 19, 1986), better known as Barry Seal
February 14, 2011 by tomaswell
It has all the makings of a major box office thriller: Texas Governor and Republican Presidential contender George W. Bush and his brother Jeb, allegedly caught on videotape in 1985 picking up kilos of cocaine at a Florida airport in a DEA sting set up by Barry Seal
[Philip Marshall's] first book was called Lake Front, about Lake Front Airport in downtown New Orleans, where he and Barry Seal worked together in the early 80s. I would point out there’s also a photograph that has shown up showing Phil Marshall in 1984 at the Mena airfield in Arkansas. Now this is the famous, or infamous, airport that was the scene of a lot of cocaine smuggling from Latin America in return for US weapons being shipped to the Contras in Nicaragua and the various drug cartels.
DRUG WAR:
Suddenly, on June 14, 1984, after [sic] the consolidation of Contra operations under Oliver North the plane was sold twice in one day. According to journalist, producer and author Dan Hopsicker, "This was at a period in time when Barry knew he was on the way out." The plane went first to a mysterious Morgan B. Mitchell of Vale, Oregon, and then to Chevrolet Dealer Merrill Bean of Ogden Utah. Bean, curiously, gave the Dover, Delaware address of the "Prentis Hall [sic] Corporation" on his FAA registration.
#192. To: Aquila, *Black Ops - Psyops* (#179)
There's so much dis information along with the hidden critical information it might be that the truth is a stew of it all.
#193. To: GreyLmist (#192)
...at this point, I'm not convinced that Philip Marshall and his children are dead or Hank Asher either or even that Barry Seal was assassinated.
"Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking; where it is absent, discussion is apt to become worse than useless." ~ Leo Tolstoy
#194. To: GreyLmist, titorite, All (#183)
I wonder if any of those "parents" had life insurance for their children and if any money was claimed.
"Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking; where it is absent, discussion is apt to become worse than useless." ~ Leo Tolstoy
#195. To: wudidiz, 4 (#194)
#196. To: wudidiz (#0)
http://www.madcowprod.com/05072006.html
#197. To: All (#196)
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Phil Marshall cast much suspicion on Porter Goss in his most recent book “The Big Bamboozle”. Goss (who was later appointed to CIA Director by President Bush, only to mysteriously resign shortly afterwards, no reason given) was one of those present at that infamous breakfast meeting at the Capitol, on the morning of September 11, 2001, with General Mahmoud Ahmad, head of the Pakistani ISI. According to the FBI, Indian Intelligence and several press reports, the Mahmoud Ahmad was instrumental in providing financial support to the 9/11 terrorists. Ahmad had allegedly ordered the transfer of $100,000 to the presumed 9/11 ring-leader Mohamed Atta.
From Bloggulator
Edit to add: There's a whole bunch of stuff about Operation 40 at Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_40
#198. To: Aquila (#197)
#199. To: Aquila (#197)
#200. To: noone222, Aquila, wudidiz, All, *Black Ops - Psyops* (#86)
At 1:01:23 and approx. 1:22:00 of the Coast to Coast video that noone222 posted [at #39], Philip Marshall talks about Prince Bandar Bush and funding by him through Riggs Bank. He mentions too that Bandar Bush is/was from the same hometown as alleged Flt. 77 hijacker-pilot on 9/11, Hani Hanjour.
By M. Hatfield: The statement by Prince Bandar that lying and deception are all part of the political process and one accepts it or gets out of the game really sums up the global politics of the post 9/11 world.
In 1990, the FBI began picking up on rumors about an effort to reconstitute a notorious terrorist-criminal gang known as The Order.
PATCON is an acronym for "Patriot Conspiracy", a Clinton-Reno- Holder, FBI and ATF undercover operation. PATCON was designed to infiltrate and incite the milita and evangelical Christians to violence so that the Department of Justice could crush them.
#201. To: wudidiz (#0)
A Murphys man killed his two children...(before any hard evidence he was convicted by the Calaveras Enterprise)
http://www.calaverasenterprise.com/news/article_71f9b8da-6e27-11e2-99e8-001a4bcf887a.html 
And just another reminder: 
One would think journalists would have some loyalty to the people murdered on 9/11. Meaning the best way to honor the victims would be to find out why they were murdered. Instead we have a media mindset of arrogance and authoritarian cheerleading. To the point where Marshall is derided as some sort of whacky conspiracy nut for daring to claim the Saudis and CIA were involved in facilitating 9/11. This just so happens to be supported by public record information. But because it is not establishment consensus the media pretends it is conspiracy nuttery. I read articles, blogs and message boards about the Marshall murders and it is very sad the way many people are evidently pleased by their allegiance to a government approved 9/11 narrative...
#202. To: wudidiz (#0)
Uudate: Marshall Investigation
Contact: Sgt Chris Hewitt
Release Date: 03/29/13
...Phillip Marshal's blood sample contained .08 mg/L hydrocodone (pain reliever/narcotic), .02 mg/L morphine (pain reliever/narcotic), and .80 mg/L hydroxybupropion (anti-depressant). Alcoholic beverages, including a bottle of whiskey and an open l2-pack of beer, were found inside the Marshall home.
youtube.com/watch?v=CwBX_XPTrrE
#203. To: Aquila, GreyLmist, 4 (#202)
...Phillip Marshal's blood sample contained .08 mg/L hydrocodone (pain reliever/narcotic), .02 mg/L morphine (pain reliever/narcotic), and .80 mg/L hydroxybupropion (anti-depressant). Alcoholic beverages, including a bottle of whiskey and an open l2-pack of beer, were found inside the Marshall home.
#204. To: Lod (#203)
And who's to say if that's the truth? The pictures that I've seen don't show a bug-eyed whackjob like the other recent shooters. I still believe it was a hit.
ssristories.com
at least every week another otherwise "sane" person takes some of these antidepressants and blows away a few members of their family and then themselves. Search father murder suicide, happens all the time. Just heard about one like that in Washington. It's these drugs, seriously. That's what's causing our troops to commit suicide in the numbers they are too.
#205. To: Aquila, *9-11* (#202)
explosion at pentagon *Before* flight77? (Thanks Phil)
youtube.com/watch?v=CwBX_XPTrrE
#206. To: Aquila (#202)
...Phillip Marshal's blood sample contained .08 mg/L hydrocodone (pain reliever/narcotic), .02 mg/L morphine (pain reliever/narcotic), and .80 mg/L hydroxybupropion (anti-depressant). Alcoholic beverages, including a bottle of whiskey and an open l2-pack of beer, were found inside the Marshall home.
#207. To: GreyLmist (#205)
...the Speaker of the House is third in line of succession to the Presidency, which is disputable.
#208. To: Lod (#207)
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...the Speaker of the House is third in line of succession to the Presidency, which is disputable.
The Speaker is second in the United States presidential line of succession, after the Vice President and ahead of the President pro tempore of the U.S. Senate.[2]
United States presidential line of succession - Wikipedia | 3 U.S.C. § 19
#209. To: All (#86)
Like Philip Marshall, Bandar Bush was involved in Iran Contra.
One Saudi official in particular, Prince Bandar bin Sultan, Saudi Ambassador to the United States from 1983 to 2005, was quickly traced to direct funding of the hijackers, through cashier’s checks, not from him he would say, but from his wife.
#210. To: GreyLmist (#209)
#211. To: All (#205)
the statement by Peter Goss
Goss (who was later appointed to CIA Director by President Bush, only to mysteriously resign shortly afterwards, no reason given) was one of those present at that infamous breakfast meeting at the Capitol, on the morning of September 11, 2001, with General Mahmoud Ahmad, head of the Pakistani ISI. [sic] At that September 11 meeting were three lawmakers Bob Graham, Porter Goss and Jon Kyl who were part of the Congressional delegation to Pakistan. Also present at this meeting were Pakistan’s ambassador to the U.S. Maleeha Lodhi and several members of the Senate and House Intelligence committees. This meeting was described by one press report as a “follow-up meeting” to that held in Pakistan in late August.
Dr. David Graham poisoned; claimed he met 3 of the 9/11 hijackers in Shreveport, Louisiana a year before the attacks
Phil Marshall’s first wife, who lives in New Orleans now, contacted that paper with a screed against her husband. She hasn’t seen him since 1998, since they were divorced. She lives in New Orleans, he moved to the West Coast, [sic] and this individual who the first wife’s married too is the…is an auditor for the Strategic Petroleum Reserve, down in Louisiana, that’s run by the Energy Department, but that we know that reserve is tied in directly to the oil industry, and y’know, when we talk oil, we’re talking Cheney, we’re talking Bush.
Whether it was cordite or something else, there were a number of highly credible witnesses that reported secondary explosions going off in and around the impact hole for nearly an hour after the aircraft crashed.[80] One of these was the CIA agent turned Florida congressman, Porter Goss, in whose district the alleged hijackers received their training. Goss went on to lead the first official inquiry into the events of 9/11.[81]
Goss opposes 9/11 Commission reform recommendation of an Intel Czar that would outrank the CIA Director as just another layer bureaucracy
It has shops, a swimming pool, an ice cream store, a bakery and a soda factory that makes a cola-and orange-flavored drink locals call Ashraf Cola.
outsourced food services that allow Halliburton to charge soldiers $45 for a six-pack of soda.
#212. To: Dakmar (#210)
My own government hates me, and all I can do is laugh about it. F**k em!
#213. To: All, *Black Ops - Psyops* (#211)
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in this 15 minute YouYube video, Porter Goss Ex CIA Director on Camp Ashraf Paris 20 Jan 2012, Goss pushes for the delisting of the MEK/Mujahedeen-e-Kalq
A Marxist element of the MEK murdered several of the Shah's U.S. security advisers prior to the Islamic Revolution, and the group helped guard the U.S. Embassy after Islamic students seized it in 1979.
"Many of us think, in looking at it, that if there had not been hostages, they would've had to have been created because, if the agenda to get arms to Iran were discovered, the only thing the American people would take as an excuse would be the very human element of a very human President weeping over hostages."
#214. To: GreyLmist (#208)
#215. To: Lod (#214)
You're right of course; speaker is second in line behind veep.
#216. To: GreyLmist (#213)
Porter Goss Ex CIA Director on Camp Ashraf Paris 20 Jan 2012
#217. To: GreyLmist (#205)
You seem to have changed your views of the case quite a bit
In 1998, a new family doctor, unaware of this adverse reaction to fluoxetine, prescribed paroxetine 20 mg to DS, for what was diagnosed as an anxiety disorder. Two days later having had, it is believed, two doses of medication, DS using a gun put three bullets each through the heads of his wife, his daughter who was visiting, and his nine-month-old granddaughter before killing himself.
#218. To: Aquila (#217)
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#219. To: Lod (#218)
the killing of poochie
"Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking; where it is absent, discussion is apt to become worse than useless." ~ Leo Tolstoy
#220. To: Aquila, All (#216)
(Edited)
9-11 Is this AA Flight 77 And what is this explosion - YouTube posted at #216
#221. To: All (#220)
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#222. To: All (#213)
A Marxist element of the MEK murdered several of the Shah's U.S. security advisers prior to the Islamic Revolution, and the group helped guard the U.S. Embassy after Islamic students seized it in 1979.
Bernard Lewis was a former British intelligence officer and historian who is infamous for explaining Arab discontent towards the West as not being rooted in a reaction toward imperialism, but rather that it is rooted in Islam; in that Islam is incompatible with the West, and that they are destined to clash, using the term, “Clash of Civilizations.” For decades, “Lewis played a critical role as professor, mentor, and guru to two generations of Orientalists, academics, U.S. and British intelligence specialists, think tank denizens, and assorted neoconservatives.” In the 1980s, Lewis “was hobnobbing with top Department of Defense officials.”[27] He was also one of the originators, along with Brzezinski, of the “Arc of Crisis” strategy employed in the late 1970s.
#223. To: GreyLmist (#213)
1. Barry Seal and Porter Goss
#224. To: Lod (#184)
it was what he was writing and telling that was his undoing.
#225. To: BTP Holdings, 4 (#224)
more on clinton, mena, cocaine, women, etc -
#226. To: BTP Holdings, christine, *9-11* (#224)
#227. To: All (#217)
Plummer says killer husband controlling ‘sociopath’
Written by Sean Janssen, The Union Democrat April 19, 2013 06:53 am
More concern about the gun than the drugs. Typical American circa 2013.
#228. To: SKYDRIFTER (#226)
Bush later referred to (profusely) as the "New World Order."
#229. To: Aquila (#227)
#230. To: Aquila (#228)
too funny -
#231. To: Aquila, *9-11* (#228)
#232. To: BTP Holdings, *Black Ops - Psyops* (#223)
1. Barry Seal and Porter Goss
Excerpts:
#233. To: GreyLmist (#232)
The trio track down Singer, who tells them that the mission involved extracting a person from a village and that everybody on the list has been killed to silence them. Singer is then assassinated by a helicopter-borne machine-gunner, and the team escapes
#234. To: Aquila, All (#220)
9-11 Is this AA Flight 77 And what is this explosion - YouTube posted at #216
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/lofiversion/index.php?t21402.html
goss is officially on record as being on the floor of the House at 9:52am, where he calls everyone to a quick prayer:
The SPEAKER pro tempore. There
being no further requests for morning
hour debates, pursuant to clause 12,
rule I, the House will stand in recess
until 10 a.m. today.
Accordingly (at 9 o’clock and 20 minutes
a.m.) the House stood in recess
until 10 a.m. today.
AFTER RECESS
The House was called to order by the
Speaker pro tempore (Mr. GOSS) at 9
o’clock and 52 minutes a.m., thereby
terminating the recess.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. Due to
the circumstances of today, the Chair
calls the House to order at this time.
The prayer will be offered by the
guest chaplain.
The Reverend Gerard Creedon, St.
Charles Borromeo Catholic Church, offered
the following prayer:
God of peace and life, send Your spirit
to heal our country; bring consolation
to all injured in today’s tragedy in
New York and Washington. Protect us
and help our leaders to lead us out of
this moment of crisis to a new day of
peace. Amen.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. The
House will stand in recess subject to
the call of the Chair, pursuant to
clause 12 of rule I.
Accordingly (at 9 o’clock and 53 minutes a.m.), the House stood in recess
subject to the call of the Chair.
The recess having expired, the House
was called to order at 10 o’clock and 3
minutes a.m.
#235. To: Aquila, All, *9-11* (#234)
(Edited)
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/lofiversion/index.php?t21402.html
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/ge...mp;position=all
The SPEAKER pro tempore. There
being no further requests for morning
hour debates, pursuant to clause 12,
rule I, the House will stand in recess
until 10 a.m. today.
Accordingly (at 9 o’clock and 20 minutes
a.m.) the House stood in recess
until 10 a.m. today.
AFTER RECESS
The House was called to order by the
Speaker pro tempore (Mr. GOSS) at 9
o’clock and 52 minutes a.m., thereby
terminating the recess.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. Due to
the circumstances of today, the Chair
calls the House to order at this time.
The prayer will be offered by the
guest chaplain.
The Reverend Gerard Creedon, St.
Charles Borromeo Catholic Church, offered
the following prayer:
God of peace and life, send Your spirit
to heal our country; bring consolation
to all injured in today’s tragedy in
New York and Washington. Protect us
and help our leaders to lead us out of
this moment of crisis to a new day of
peace. Amen.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. The
House will stand in recess subject to
the call of the Chair, pursuant to
clause 12 of rule I.
Accordingly (at 9 o’clock and 53 minutes a.m.), the House stood in recess
subject to the call of the Chair.
The recess having expired, the House
was called to order at 10 o’clock and 3
minutes a.m. 8:46:30[10] Flight 11 crashes into the North Tower
As presiding office of the House of Representatives, the Speaker holds a variety of powers over the House but usually delegates them to another member of the majority party. The Speaker may designate any member of the House to act as Speaker pro tempore and preside over the House. [sic] The Speaker may also designate a Speaker pro tempore for special purposes, such as designating a Representative whose district is near Washington, DC to sign enrolled bills during long recesses.
In the United States House of Representatives, the Committee of the Whole, short for Committee of the Whole House on the State of the Union, is a parliamentary device in which the House of Representatives is considered one large congressional committee. The presiding officer is chosen by the Speaker of the House and is normally a member of the majority party who does not hold the chair of a standing committee.
#236. To: All (#235)
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