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Title: Wanted: Dead, Not Alive: The LAPD is Afraid of What Renegade Cop Chris Dorner has to Say
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Published: Feb 12, 2013
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Post Date: 2013-02-12 09:57:50 by tom007
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Wanted: Dead, Not Alive:

The LAPD is Afraid of What Renegade Cop Chris Dorner has to Say

By Dave Lindorff

February 12, 2013 "This Can't Be Happening" -- Let’s not be too quick to dismiss the “ranting” of renegade LAPD officer Chris Dorner.

Dorner, a three-year police veteran and former Lieutenant in the US Navy who went rogue after being fired by the LAPD, has accused Los Angeles Police of systematically using excessive force, of corruption, of being racist, and of firing him for raising those issues through official channels.

By all media accounts, Dorner “snapped” after his firing, and has vowed to kill police in retaliation. He allegedly has already done so, with several people, including police officers and family members of police already shot dead.

Now there’s a “manhunt” involving police departments across California, focussing on the mountains around Big Bear, featuring cops dressed in full military gear and armed with semi-automatic weapons.

Nobody would argue that randomly killing police officers and their family members or friends is justified, but I think that there is good reason to suspect that the things that Dorner claims set him off, such as being fired for reporting police brutality, and then going through a rigged hearing, deserve serious consideration and investigation.

The LAPD has a long history of abuse of minorities (actually the majority in Los Angeles, where whites are now a minority). It has long been a kind of paramilitary force -- one which pioneered the military-style Special Weapons and Tactics (SWAT) approach to “policing.”

If you wanted a good example to prove that nothing has changed over the years, just look at the outrageous incident involving LAPD cops tasked with capturing Dorner, who instead shot up two innocent women who were delivering newspapers in a residential area of Los Angeles. The women, Margie Carranza, 47, and her mother, Emma Hernandez, 71 (now in serious condition in the hospital), were not issued any warning. Police just opened fire from behind them, destroying their truck with heavy semi-automatic fire to the point that it will have to be scrapped and replaced. The two women are lucky to be alive (check out the pattern of bullet holes in the rear window behind the driver’s position in the accompanying photo). What they experienced was the tactics used by US troops on patrol in Iraq or Afghanistan, not the tactics that one expects of police. Their truck wasn’t even the right make or color, but LAPD’s “finest” decided it was better to be safe than sorry, so instead of acting like cops, they followed Pentagon “rules of engagement”: They attempted to waste the target.

LAPD officers fired on this car with clear intent to kill (check out the bullet holes behind the driver-seat position)

LAPD officers fired on this car with clear intent to kill (check out the bullet holes behind the driver-seat position). Trouble was, it was the wrong make and wrong color, and instead of Dorner, it was two Latino women, one of whom is now in serious condition from her wounds. No warning was given before the barrage.

Local residents say that after that shooting, which involved seven LAPD officers and over 70 bullets expended, with nobody returning fire, the street and surrounding houses were pockmarked with bullet holes. The Los Angeles Times reports that in the area, there are “bullet holes in cars, trees, garage doors and roofs.”

In roofs?

What we had here was an example of a controversial tactic that the military employed in the Iraq War, and still employs in Afghanistan, called “spray and pray” -- a tactic that led directly to the massive civilian casualties during that US war.

We shouldn’t be surprised that two brown-skinned women were almost mowed down by the LAPD--only that they somehow survived all that deadly firing directed at them with clear intent to kill.

The approach taken by those cop-hunting-cops of shooting first and asking questions later suggests that the LAPD in this “manhunt” for one of their own has no intention of capturing Dorner alive and letting him talk about what he knows about the evils rampant in the 10,000-member department. They want him dead.

When I lived in Los Angeles back in the 1970s, it was common for LAPD cops to bust into homes, gestapo-like, at 5 in the morning, guns out, to arrest people for minor things like outstanding court warrants for unpaid parking tickets, bald tires, or jaywalking.

Police helicopters also used to tail me -- then an editor of an alternative news weekly -- and my wife, a music graduate student, as we drove home at night. Sometimes, they would follow us from our car to front door with a brilliant spotlight, when we’d come home at night to our house in Echo Park. It was an act of deliberate intimidation. (They also infiltrated our newspaper with an undercover cop posing as a wannabe journalist. Her job, we later learned, was to learn who our sources were inside the LAPD -- sources who had disclosed such things as that the LAPD had, and probably still has, a “shoot-to-kill” policy for police who fire their weapons.)

Friends in Los Angeles tell me nothing has changed, though of course the police weaponry has gotten heavier and their surveillance capabilities have gotten more sophisticated and invasive.

It is clear from the LAPD’s paramilitary response to the Occupy movement in Los Angeles, which included planting undercover cops among the occupiers, some of whom reportedly were agents provocateur who tried to encourage protesters to commit acts of violence, and which ended with police violence and gratuitous arrests, as in New York, that nothing has changed.

In other words, Dorner may be irrational, but he ain’t crazy.

A black military veteran, Dorner joined the police because he reportedly believed in service. Unable to go along with the militarist policing he saw on the job, he protested through channels and was apparently rewarded by being fired. Now, in his own violent way, he is trying to warn us all that something is rotten in the LAPD, and by extension, in the whole police system in the US. Police departments almost everywhere in the US, have morphed, particularly since 9/11/2001, from a role of providing public safety and law enforcement into agencies of brutal fascist control.

As Dorner says in his lengthy manifesto (actually quite explicit and literate, but described as “ranting” in corporate media accounts), in which he explains his actions and indicts the LAPD, “The enemy combatants in LA are not the citizens and suspects, it’s the police officers.”

That could be said of many US police departments, I’m afraid.

Example: Last fall, I had the experience of trying to hitchhike in my little suburban town. A young cop drove up and informed me (incorrectly, it turns out) that it was illegal to hitchhike in Pennsylvania. When I expressed surprise at this and told him I was a journalist working on an article on hitchhiking, he then threatened me directly, saying that if I continued to try and thumb a ride, he would “take you in and lock you up.”

When I called a lawyer friend and said I was inclined to take the officer up on that threat, since I was within my rights under the law hitchhiking as long as I was standing off the road, he warned me against it, saying, “You don’t know what could happen to you if you got arrested.”

And of course he’s right. An arrest, even a wrongful arrest, in the US these days can lead to an added charge -- much more serious -- of resisting arrest, with a court basing its judgement on the word of the officer in the absence of any other witnesses. It can also lead to physical injury or worse, if the officer wants to lie and claim that the arrested person threatened him or her.

If I had been in Los Angeles, I would most likely have been locked up for an incident like that. Forget about any warning. You aren’t supposed to talk back to cops in L.A. And if you are black or Latino, the results of such an arrest could be much worse.

I remember once witnessing LAPD cops stopping a few Latino youths who had been joyriding in what might have been a stolen car. There was a helicopter overhead, and perhaps a dozen patrol cars that had converged on the scene, outside a shopping mall in Silverlake. I ran over to see what was happening and watched as the cops grabbed the kids, none of whom was armed, out of the vehicle and slammed them against the car brutally. It was looking pretty ugly, but by then neighbors from the surrounding homes, most of them Latino, who had poured out onto their lawns because of the commotion, began yelling at the cops. One man shouted, “We see what you’re doing. These boys are all healthy. If anything happens to any of them after you arrest them we will report you!”

The cops grudgingly backed off in their attack on the boys, and took them away in a squad car. I don’t know what happened to them after that, but they were most certainly saved, by quick community response, from an on-the-spot Rodney King-style beating that could have seriously injured them, or worse.

As things stand right now, with the LAPD gunning for Dorner, and wanting him dead and silenced, not captured, the public has to worry that it has more to fear from the LAPD than it has to fear from Dorner himself. At least Dorner, in his own twisted way, has specific targets in mind. The LAPD is in “spray and pray” mode.

Chris Dorner, in happier days, now a fugitive on the run from the LAPD "manhunters"

Chris Dorner, in happier days, now a fugitive on the run from the LAPD "manhunters"

Hopefully, Dorner will realize he can do more by figuring out a safe way to “come in from the cold” so he can try to testify about LAPD crimes, than by killing more cops. If he does manage to surrender, he’d better have a lot of support lined up to keep him safe while in custody.

It’s already clear that a lot of people in the LAPD want him dead.

Copyright © 2013 This Can't Be Happening.

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#1. To: tom007 (#0)

It must be the flouride intake that makes pussies out of men. Not that long ago far less than we tolerate today would result in an ass whippin for someone.

The most brazen theft ever in history is levied against the American people daily by the FEDERAL RESERVE as it has been for 100 years. Millions of foreclosures have put Americans in the streets, in tents, in the back seat of their cars, and in some cases under bridges - IN THE RICHEST NATION ON EARTH - and not one fucking banker hangs by his stretched neck from a lamp post.

The greatest fraud ever, a virtual international bankruptcy that really only exists inside of the internet computer system has international AUSTERITY measures being foisted upon the innocent while the guilty receive bonuses paid for by the victims of the fraud.

It's long past time for some-fucking-body to get shot.

We should all be livid. Stop acting like docile, mentally castrated pussies and grow a pair. It's time to get in their face. Why should we speak in hushed tones and act all polite when we are being raped every day?

noone222  posted on  2013-02-12   10:42:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: noone222 (#1)

international bankruptcy

The original Constitutional Convention was brought about by the British counterfeiting the Colonial Scrip, which made it worthless.

Now, it seems we need a new Constitutional Convention since the banksters have robbed us blind for over a century. The problem with this is that we never know what we would get besides the corrupt democracy we now suffer under.

It is very likely that Obama will preside over the breakup of the United States.

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2013-02-12   17:09:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: BTP Holdings (#2)

Now, it seems we need a new Constitutional Convention since the banksters have robbed us blind for over a century. The problem with this is that we never know what we would get besides the corrupt democracy we now suffer under.

It is very likely that Obama will preside over the breakup of the United States.

All I wanna know is should we shoot before or after this convention you mentioned ? I don't see how it makes any difference - let's shoot first and convene later so that we know everyone in attendance is serious. (sarc)

We should all be livid. Stop acting like docile, mentally castrated pussies and grow a pair. It's time to get in their face. Why should we speak in hushed tones and act all polite when we are being raped every day?

noone222  posted on  2013-02-12   17:14:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: noone222, BTP holdings (#3)

All I wanna know is should we shoot before or after this convention you mentioned ? I don't see how it makes any difference - let's shoot first and convene later so that we know everyone in attendance is serious. (sarc)

It doesn't really make a difference noone. The shooting has begun. It is not the time and it may not be the last but in the here and no an active enemy of the state... a rebel is firing and winning against the tyranny.

The only thing that will stop this next civil war is a constitutional convention.

AND WHEN WE HAVE IT, WE SHALL NOT SCRAP THE CONSTITUTION BUT MAKE A FEW MINOR AMENDMENTS! HABUS CORPUS SHALL NEVER BE SUSPENDED IN CASES OF INSURECTION! A FOURTH BRANCH OF BALANCE MUST BE CREATED TOO! PEOPLE MUST BE WILLING TO SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES AS THEY VOTE FOR THEMSELVES OR ELSE TYRANNY WILL REGROW

_______ Their are only two kinds of americans left in the USA those opposed to the tyranny and those that are wrong. Resist propaganda, Support strict constitutional adherence!

titorite  posted on  2013-02-12   17:34:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: tom007 (#0) (Edited)

In other words, Dorner may be irrational, but he ain’t crazy.

No he's crazy. A narcissistic, professional victim who's off the chain.

He murdered the beautiful daughter and fiance of the Asian police captain who represented him at the hearing(s). I'd be willing to bet that the captain knew and understood the rules as well as anyone could and that he did his best defending Dorner under the circumstances. But Dorner seems to be saying that the New LAPD, reformed after he made the changes that suited him should have heard his case. Yes, he was a lieutenant in the USNR, but it's a lot harder to be hired by the LAPD than to enlist in the Squids. And, the FEDs may be readily cowed by charges of racism, but the LAPD is not. (Bush 1 turned on the cops who arrested Rodney King as he faced reelection, but he never criticized his CIA buddies' or his son's gratuitous use of force worldwide. But Chief Daryl Gates stood by his officers, even walking the street with a shotgun during the riots. He was a man's man as the wimp president unsuccessfully sucked up to minorities for votes)

Cops also have the protection of due process, so who expects them to surrender because of Dorner's unproven allegation of racism? A woman cop has to be aggressive to earn her peers' respect, just as blacks may find it harder to earn the respect of other cops. The reason is, cops never know which blacks have chosen their skin color as their uniform, and they'll use racism to excuse failure and incompetence. And, since "black" is synonymous with "crime" in LA, there's no shortage of opportunities to turn on cops and side with criminals.

Stupid, hypersensitive blacks with agendas and with no business even trying to partner with whites just don't understand that it's a long way from the administration to the street. (UCLA did a study that found that blacks "saw" racism where Hispanics and Asians did not. Blacks conditioned from birth quite naturally concluded that the spics and chinks were just too stoopid to see it)

Dorner apparently felt that his woman FTO should have been more deferential to a minority arrestee in the presence of JUSTICE LEAGUE CRUSADER Dorner, who too often saw racism and abuse where ever cops handed out law and order to minorities. A worthwhile crusade to be sure but certainly not from the inside.

He should have known that he couldn't prevail as a rogue. After all, he had to face police brass and he couldn't end run around them straight to some sympathetic federal judge. And even a judge could not excuse Dorner's reported failures. In other words he was at the mercy of his police superiors, and unlike the navy where throwing faerie poop up in the air will often raise sufficient doubt, he had to be a team player or lose his job.

After his termination he still held his 832 certificate and he could have been hired by hundreds of other agencies, but to Dorner justice demands innocent blood if he can't be a Hollywood cop.

Dorner was no doubt pleased that the system presumed that a cop's account of a traffic stop and/or arrest is the truth and a citizen's isn't, even though the whole world knows this is often untrue.

Well, the same system that protected Officer Dorner as a matter of policy while on duty also presumed that his FTO (Field Training Officer) was the better judge of his conduct.

Because that presumption didn't benefit the fat black whiner, or perhaps he resented having a woman FTO who could end his career if she detected his sexism and anti white bias, he's now murdering innocent people while attempting to appear as a martyr to the honkey haters, cop haters and liberals.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2013-02-12   19:11:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: HOUNDDAWG (#5)

Others mileage may vary but I think that was a great post, DAWG.


"It is the habit of unhappiness to rewrite our lives and from a different beginning come to a different ending. We cling to the past and what it could have been; what we wanted, or thought we wanted, before we were taught by a broken heart that our own good intentions have little effect on the way things are."
D. W. Buffa, Breach of Trust

James Deffenbach  posted on  2013-02-12   19:29:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: noone222 (#1)

The most brazen theft ever in history is levied against the American people daily by the FEDERAL RESERVE as it has been for 100 years. Millions of foreclosures have put Americans in the streets, in tents, in the back seat of their cars, and in some cases under bridges - IN THE RICHEST NATION ON EARTH - and not one fucking banker hangs by his stretched neck from a lamp post.

And that is a shame, a disgraceful end to what was once a great nation.


"It is the habit of unhappiness to rewrite our lives and from a different beginning come to a different ending. We cling to the past and what it could have been; what we wanted, or thought we wanted, before we were taught by a broken heart that our own good intentions have little effect on the way things are."
D. W. Buffa, Breach of Trust

James Deffenbach  posted on  2013-02-12   19:50:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: James Deffenbach (#6)

Thank you my friend.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2013-02-12   19:56:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: tom007 (#0) (Edited)

It’s already clear that a lot of people in the LAPD want him dead.

They wanted him dead rather than alive because he intended to talk to the media. They fired him because he refused to retract on a police report he filed against one of his co-workers for abusing their power when they kicked the face in of Christopher Gettler. Because he refused to go along with their abuses of power, they tried to claim he filed a false police report but they never charged him with it.

I look at him as a whistleblower whose life ended tragically where they burned him alive to protect themselves from scrutiny by the Grand Jury. If his spirit remains in a state of unrest, you can be damn certain it will not rest until his murderers have been avenged. God will see to that!

purplerose  posted on  2013-02-13   14:43:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: titorite (#4) (Edited)

The only thing that will stop this next civil war is a constitutional convention.

There is no way to predict what type of government we will get if a Con Con is convened. During the last one in 1787 in Philadelphia, we got a Republic, which has now fallen by the wayside with the Act of 1871. This Act created the corporate UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. ALL CAPS is how you designate a corporation.

I've predicted that there will be a new Revolution if we cannot get ourselves out of this mess.

And, it is also likely that we will suffer the demise of the Second Amendment if we allow Obama to let the U.N. control our guns. This could be the trigger that sets off the new Revolution. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2013-02-13   17:08:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: BTP Holdings (#10)

A Democratic Representative Republic.

That is what we are. Always have been... and the democracy word doesn't go far on the federal level. And it never applied to the executive office. Or the justice. But it does apply to our reps... when they aren't manipulating elections That is why we must insist upon representing ourselves to some greater degree than just voting.... because just voting these last 200 some odd years hasn't cut it.

_______ Their are only two kinds of americans left in the USA those opposed to the tyranny and those that are wrong. Resist propaganda, Support strict constitutional adherence!

titorite  posted on  2013-02-13   17:24:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: HOUNDDAWG (#5)

If he is sexist and opposed to women being cops then why does he say in the manifesto that he approves of the decision to open up combat roles to women?

strepsiptera  posted on  2013-02-14   19:10:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: HOUNDDAWG (#5)

What's to make of his FTO's physical abuse of a disabled man?

Why was he fired for reporting this?

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2013-02-14   20:50:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: strepsiptera (#12) (Edited)

If he is sexist and opposed to women being cops then why does he say in the manifesto that he approves of the decision to open up combat roles to women?

Good question.

Of course as a commissioned officer in the USNR it was highly unlikely that a woman would have been his one on one FTO in any field or combat MOS.

It's one thing to serve with women and quite another to serve under one as the primary assessor of one's ability and performance in the field. He may have been comfy with his ability to manipulate his circumstances and influence others in the military, but unhappy with the inability to do so with a single (white?) woman who could have put permanent black marks on his record from which no appeal or relief was possible.

In the navy he could have even reported a CO that outranked him if he had the support of others who agreed to back him. No such option was available when alone with an FTO on LAPD, unless of course the FTO's actions were so egregious as to warrant investigation and only then if there was corroboration other than his word. (The FEDs presume that whites are racists waiting to relapse unless proven otherwise-LAPD cannot make an arrest without the charge being leveled so....unless caught with a monogrammed Klan robe in the trunk it's a meaningless charge that often backfires against any cop who levels it)

And finally, there are many African American women in the armed forces, and he may have been a hero to many of them. ("Don't worry, Sugar, I'll teach you how to handle these racist honkies!") That was certainly not the case with LAPD.

I see the same thing here in DE. Blacks with 4 yr degrees invariably try the FEDs before even thinking about joining the state police. But many white Delawareans would rather be kicked by a Delaware State Trooper than knighted by The Queen. (or honored by a president with a suspicious pedigree)

Generally speaking, advancement is easier for blacks at the federal level and the added federal "immunity from racist tests" is beneficial for those who'd find it hard to compete with gifted whites in a smaller, white dominated agency.

LAPD screens applicants from all over the world. It ain't no cake walk. He may have become an officer in the navy with relative ease (just as completing college courses is easier for blacks who are pushed through by profs who are petrified of being labeled "racist") then concluded that "racism" was the reason he remained a no rank turd with the cops, who do not artificially elevate minorities.

He had a warped sense of entitlement, fairness and justice if the bodies he left behind are any indication.

I wouldn't peek into a rubber room and expect profound truth from a nut in snake pit-style restraints. (while touring The Ronald Reagan Home For The Criminally Insane. "We cure people the old fashioned way!") Christopher Dorner was unequivocal in his "manifesto". (as was Ted Kaczynski) To Paraphrase: "You dun hurt my feelings so' I got to kill me some white peepul now."

Some folks may not grasp just how dangerous his narcissistic rage coupled with hatred for uncowed, unReconstructed whites really was.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2013-02-14   20:55:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Lod (#13)

What's to make of his FTO's physical abuse of a disabled man?

Why was he fired for reporting this?

The Agency presumed that his FTO was the better judge of the scenario. It's not a democracy. FTOs are assigned to weed out those who would attack the cops from the inside, not vice versa.

He apparently wanted to skip right over his field training as a probationary recruit and get on with the business of removing racism and abuse where he found it.

And, I have yet to see any evidence that any arrestee was A) abused, or B) disabled) or even existed. Did the fact that Dorner murdered people or that the media reported his alleged grievances make this man credible? (If so then it's a pity that Colin Ferguson didn't have the media's support after his murdering spree on the Long Island Rail Road, ostensibly in retaliation for "racism" ) Would a man who lashes out with multiple murders after losing his job lie if he thought it would save it?

It'll take a while but I predict that we'll learn about his past accusations against others as time goes on. The Navy won't officially reveal it but just wait and see....

During the Rodney King circus there were black officers present during the arrest. None supported the use of force but none accused those who took part in the rhythm stick party with racism, either. In fact it could be argued that black cops who automatically failed to support white cops who were attempting to restrain a black, possible PCP flip out were the real racists. Even though King tested negative for PCP it is my belief that he intentionally mimicked the symptoms, which resulted in his ass whupping. And the critics who asked, "Why didn't the cops just swarm King?" failed to ask that same question of the do-nothing black cops who were present.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2013-02-14   21:34:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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