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Title: Saudi Royal Ties to 9/11 hijackers via Saudi Family
Source: [None]
URL Source: http://whowhatwhy.com/2011/09/22/sa ... rs-via-florida-saudi-family-0/
Published: Sep 22, 2011
Author: Russ Baker
Post Date: 2013-03-03 18:29:19 by Ada
Keywords: None
Views: 514
Comments: 32

WhoWhatWhy has found evidence linking the Saudi royal family to Saudis in South Florida who reportedly had direct contact with the 9/11 hijackers before fleeing the United States just prior to the attacks. Our report connects some of the dots first laid out by investigative author Anthony Summers and Florida-based journalist Dan Christensen in articles jointly published in the Miami Herald and on the nonprofit news site BrowardBulldog.org.

In early September of this year, Summers and Christensen reported that a secret FBI probe, never shared with Congressional investigators or the presidential 9/11 commission, had uncovered information indicating the possibility of support for the hijackers from previously unknown confederates in the United States during 2001.

Now WhoWhatWhy reveals that those alleged confederates were closely tied to influential members of the Saudi ruling elite.

The House

As reported in the Herald, phone records documented communication, dating back more than a year, that connected a Saudi family then living in a house near Sarasota, Florida, with the alleged plot leader, Mohammed Atta, and his hijack pilots—as well as to eleven of the other hijackers. In addition, records from the guard house at the gated community tied Atta’s vehicle and his accomplice Ziad Jarrah to actual visits to the house. Although requiring further investigation, this information suggests that the house may have functioned as an operational base for the hijackers.

According to interviews and records examined by The Herald, Anoud and Abdulazzi al-Hiijjii and their young twins abruptly departed their home in Sarasota only days before September 11, 2001 and traveled to Arlington, Virginia, where they stayed briefly at another house owned by Anoud’s father, Esam Ghazzawi.

Then, still well before 9/11, the entire group, now including the father, flew to London and on to Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. The Sarasota house was sold in 2003, as was a penthouse apartment in another DC, suburb, Rosslyn, Virginia. The Ghazzawis do not seem to have set foot again in the United States.

New Revelations

Building on these revelations, WhoWhatWhy has found documents laying out the Ghazzawis’ royal connections through a nest of Saudi corporations that share the name EIRAD. Esam Ghazzawi is director of EIRAD Management Company, the UK division of EIRAD Trading and Contracting Co. Ltd., which among other things holds the Saudi franchise for many multinational brands, including UPS. Esam’s brother Mamdouh, whose name shows up on public records associated with family properties in the U.S., is the Executive Managing Director of the parent firm, EIRAD Holding Co. Ltd. EIRAD has connections to the US government via contracts. In 2008, records show, the State Department paid EIRAD $11,733 for rental of facilities, presumably in Saudi Arabia.

There is no indication that the company itself, or any of its officers or employees, have any connection to the 9/11 incident, or knowledge of anything regarding Mr. Ghazzawi’s activities in the United States. Calls for comment to the company’s main switchboard went unanswered during normal business hours; its website was not functioning properly and Saudi trade officials in the United States had not furnished alternative contact information at publication time.

But the now-revealed link between the Ghazzawis and the highest ranks of the Saudi establishment reopens questions about the White House’s controversial approval for multiple charter flights allowing Saudi nationals to depart the U.S., beginning about 48 hours after the attacks, without the passengers being interviewed by law enforcement—despite the identification of the majority of the hijackers as Saudis.

In addition, the new revelations draw further attention to a web of relationships that include the long and close business, personal and political ties between the Bush family and the Saudi royal family.

Saudi money is woven throughout business ventures connected to the Bushes. Saudi funds even helped bail out George W. Bush’s failing oil company early in his life. Jim Bath, a close friend of Bush in the Texas Air National Guard, went on to start a business in conjunction with two sons of powerful Saudi families—Khalid bin Mahfouz, whose family provides banking services to the Saudi royals, and Salem bin Laden, heir to the bin Laden family’s global construction empire and a half brother to Osama bin Laden. (For a detailed probe of the Bush family’s dealings with the Saudis, including substantial previously unreported material, see my book, Family of Secrets: The Bush Dynasty, America’s Invisible Government and the Hidden History of the Last Fifty Years.)

Details of The Herald’s Revelations

The Ghazzawi presence in the Sunshine State predated 9/11 by at least six years. In 1995 a young Saudi woman named Anoud Ghazzawi living in South Florida married a fellow Saudi native, Abdulazzi al-Hiijjii (English spellings of his first name and surname vary, as is typical of Arabic names.) Anoud’s father, Esam, and his American-born wife Deborah bought the couple a stylish, three-bedroom house in a gated community in Sarasota. The house remained in the elder Ghazzawis’ names while the young couple lived there and began a family.

Six years later, less than two weeks before the 9/11 attacks, Anoud, Abdulazzi and their children left their home on or about August 30, 2001 in great haste, taking off in a white van. This was about the same time that the hijackers were purchasing their tickets for the targeted flights.

The family apparently left with no advance planning, leaving behind almost all their possessions, abandoning three recently registered vehicles, including a brand-new Chrysler PT Cruiser, in the garage and driveway. As the Herald article explained:

“there was mail on the table, dirty diapers in one of the bathrooms … all the toiletries still in place … all their clothes hanging in the closet … opulent furniture, equal or greater in value than the house … the pool running, with toys in it….The beds were made … fruit on the counter … the refrigerator full of food. … It was like they went grocery shopping. Like they went out to a movie … [But] the safe was open in the master bedroom, with nothing in it, not a paper clip. … A computer was still there. A computer plug in another room, and the line still there. Looked like they’d taken [another] computer and left the cord.”

After public disclosure of Saudi involvement in the 9/11 attacks, people in the gated community took note of the rushed departure and disappearance of the Ghazzawi-al-Hiijjiis. After all, the attackers were not just overwhelmingly of Saudi nationality, but three out of four of the future hijackers had lived and trained to fly in Venice, Florida, just 10 miles away from the house.

The complex’s security officer alerted the FBI, which began an investigation into the house at 4224 Escondito Circle. (In addition, a suspicious neighbor alerted the FBI by email on the day of the attacks.)

The Justice Department declined to give the Herald a statement, but, according to an unnamed senior counterterrorism officer who was one of two people who got into the house first and served as a key source for the paper, the investigation bore stunning fruit.

Ziad Jarrah

Phone records showed communication, dating back more than a year, that connected those in the house with the alleged plot leader, Mohammed Atta and his accomplices, including eleven of the other hijackers. Other records, kept by guards at the gated community, documented numerous visits to the house by a vehicle known to have been used by Atta, and indicated the physical presence in the car of Atta’s purported accomplice Ziad Jarrah. It appeared as if the Ghazzawi house was some kind of nerve center for the entire operation.

According to the senior counterterrorism officer, both Esam Ghazzawi and his son-in-law al-Hiijjii had been on a watch list at the FBI predating 9/11. An unnamed U.S. agency tracking terror funds had also taken an interest in them. “464 was Ghazzawi’s number,” the officer said. “I don’t remember the other man’s number.”

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#1. To: Ada (#0)

it's mildly interesting that PNAC signatory and rabbi dov zakheim was CEO of SPC, which developed a remote control system for aircraft

clinton disabled the GPS selective availability, which meant that civilians had access to more accurate GPS that could have been used to, for instance, program an airliner to fly under the brooklyn bridge

that kinda eliminates the need for pilots...

doesnt eliminate the need for patsies, though, does it?

lead.and.lag  posted on  2013-03-03   18:50:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: lead.and.lag (#1)

PNAC signatory and rabbi dov zakheim was CEO of SPC, which developed a remote control system for aircraft

One more remarkable co inkidink.

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tom007  posted on  2013-03-03   19:07:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Ada (#0) (Edited)

Saudi Royal Ties to 9/11 hijackers via Saudi Family

Hello Phillip Marshall!!!

RE: Dov Zakheim

interesting, this from wiki

He served in various Department of Defense posts during the Reagan administration, including Deputy Undersecretary of Defense for Planning and Resources from 1985 to 1987. There was some controversy in both the US and Israel over Zakheim's involvement in ending the Israeli fighter program, the IAI Lavi. He argued that Israeli and U.S. interests would be best served by having Israel purchase F-16 fighters, rather than investing in an entirely new aircraft.

From 1987-2001, Zakheim was CEO of SPC International, a subsidiary of System Planning Corporation, a high-technology analytical firm. During that period he served as a consultant to the Office of the Secretary of Defense, and sat on a number of major DoD panels, including its Task Force on Defense Reform (1997) and the DoD's first Board of Visitors of Overseas Regional Centers (1998–2001). In September 2000 Zakheim is also a member of the Council on Foreign Relations, the International Institute for Strategic Studies, and the United States Naval Institute, and a member of the editorial board of the journal The National Interest. He is a three-time recipient of the Department of Defense's highest civilian award, the Distinguished Public Service Medal, as well as other awards for government and community service...

Wow. What a piece of work, this Dov.

Edit to add- This forum is probably well aware that remote piloting of Boeing jets was first done in 1984- so well that

NASA's Dryden Flight Research Center also developed the remote piloting techniques necessary for the Boeing 720 to fly as a drone aircraft. An initial attempt at the full-scale test was scrubbed in late 1983 due to problems with the uplink connection to the 720; if the uplink failed the ground based pilot would no longer have control of the aircraft.

On the morning of December 1, 1984, the test aircraft took off from Edwards Air Force Base, California, made a left-hand departure and climbed to an altitude of 2,300 feet (700 m). The aircraft was remotely flown by NASA research pilot Fitzhugh Fulton from the NASA Dryden Remotely Controlled Vehicle Facility. All fuel tanks were filled with a total of 76,000 pounds (34,000 kg) of AMK and all engines ran from start-up to impact (flight time was 9 minutes) on the modified Jet-A. It then began a descent-to-landing along the roughly 3.8-degree glideslope to a specially prepared runway on the east side of Rogers Dry Lake, with the landing gear remaining retracted.

Imagine how much better that technology was in 2001 than when it was introduced to the public in 1984...

Aquila  posted on  2013-03-03   19:58:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: tom007 (#2) (Edited)

remote control system for aircraft

the hijackers flew the planes by remote control?

edit: j/k

remote control eliminates the need for hijackers

no planes eliminates the need for remote control

cheaper too

bottom line

... discount psyops inc.


"Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking; where it is absent, discussion is apt to become worse than useless." ~ Leo Tolstoy

wudidiz  posted on  2013-03-03   22:56:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: wudidiz (#4)

in september of 2000, a year before 9/11, a saudi think tank said they needed a new pearl harbor in america.

the american presidential election of 2000 was decided by a vote recount in a state governed by a member of that saudi think tank.

after the election, members of that saudi think tank were installed in some of the highest positions in the american government, including vice president and secretary of defense.

a few months after that, the saudis' new pearl harbor happened.

that's why we bombed afghanistan and iraq

lead.and.lag  posted on  2013-03-03   23:21:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: lead.and.lag (#5)

saudi think tank

they weren't saudis


"Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking; where it is absent, discussion is apt to become worse than useless." ~ Leo Tolstoy

wudidiz  posted on  2013-03-03   23:24:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: wudidiz (#6) (Edited)

they weren't saudis

what!?!

you're telling me the members of that saudi think tank, like cheney, rumsfeld, wolfowitz, perle, zakheim, kristol, the kagans, the podhoretzs, the worumsers, abrams...

...all those people are not saudis and members of the saudis' PNAC think tank?

that's hard to believe

lead.and.lag  posted on  2013-03-03   23:30:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: lead.and.lag (#7)

don't believe it then


"Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking; where it is absent, discussion is apt to become worse than useless." ~ Leo Tolstoy

wudidiz  posted on  2013-03-03   23:40:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: wudidiz (#8) (Edited)

why did chertoff and pinkas have to wait two months to release the dancing israeli mossad agents and ship them back to saudi arabia, i wonder...

were they waiting to make sure the official conspiracy theory would hold?

thank goodness for the anthrax attacks, huh?

those anthrax letters made it pretty clear to potential malcontents what was at stake...

lead.and.lag  posted on  2013-03-03   23:45:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: All (#9)

why were the happy mossad dancers arrested in the first place?

is it against the law to celebrate the success of a long, perilous operation?

lead.and.lag  posted on  2013-03-03   23:47:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: wudidiz (#4) (Edited)

remote control eliminates the need for hijackers

no planes eliminates the need for remote control

okay, after your edit, we're getting somewhere...

but that still doesnt explain what happened to the happy dancers' video tape, does it?

did somebody panic and dispose of that tape before they thought the situation through?

...because, if the tape shows the first plane hitting, it could be edited to leave out the first impact... unless chertoff screened it, broke into a cold sweat, and shredded it before he thought it through.

lead.and.lag  posted on  2013-03-03   23:56:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: All (#11)

but then there are those reports that the happy dancers were set up to film before the first plane hit...

that's kinda inconvenient, isnt it?

lead.and.lag  posted on  2013-03-04   0:02:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: lead.and.lag (#9)

release the dancing israeli mossad agents and ship them back to saudi arabia

they're from saudi arabia?


"Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking; where it is absent, discussion is apt to become worse than useless." ~ Leo Tolstoy

wudidiz  posted on  2013-03-04   0:02:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: wudidiz (#13) (Edited)

forgot the /sarcasm tag

and in case anyone is still confused, all references to "saudi think tank" are sarcastic subsitutions for PNAC, which is a spinoff of the american enterprise institute (AEI), which is the american arm of the likud party of israel

lead.and.lag  posted on  2013-03-04   0:03:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: lead.and.lag (#14)

I was wondering wth you were talking about.


"Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking; where it is absent, discussion is apt to become worse than useless." ~ Leo Tolstoy

wudidiz  posted on  2013-03-04   0:12:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: wudidiz (#15) (Edited)

I was wondering...

me, too, about your "they werent saudis" claim...

.

the thing of it is, i dont have any idea how advanced this holograph business is... if it can fool a jillion eyewitnesses and television cameras, well, okay.

in the meantime, though, the TV clips of the second plane are pretty convincing...

.

but you're right about the need for hijackers and hijacker pilots... no need, at all... the only indispensable items were patsies to be fall guys for the official conspiracy theory

lead.and.lag  posted on  2013-03-04   0:20:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: wudidiz (#15) (Edited)

these guys probably dont do anything without layers of fallbacks, and i've been wondering for a while now if the "saudi hijackers" story could have led, in the best of all neocon worlds, to a grab for saudi's oil...

maybe that was the first big thing to go haywire with the plan... crusader bunnypants' long friendship witht he saudis... i guess it's possible

the second best plan would be bin laden, maybe...

the second big thing to go haywire was putin's reclaiming russian oil from the israeli russian oligarchs... who were scheduled to guarantee oil supplies to israeli america as the middle east was torn up and rearranged to israeli specifications

lead.and.lag  posted on  2013-03-04   0:37:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: All (#17) (Edited)

and i got to say that the whole goddamned operation is unbelievably stupid despite neocons' belief that they can "create their own reality"...

we dont really know how many of those "hijackers" were ever real people, do we?

we do know, however, that some of them turned up after 9/11, alive and pissed off.

the whole operation is too chickenshit to survive, which leads us to the third layer fallback, looting... which may have been all the neocns wanted in the first place

...looting enough to buy refuge once it all starts coming apart... at which point we got to wonder if americans will take a page out of the israeli nazi hunters' playbook, and start hunting neocons

lead.and.lag  posted on  2013-03-04   0:58:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: lead.and.lag (#9)

were they waiting to make sure the official conspiracy theory would hold?

Makes more sense than anything else I can possibly think of.

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tom007  posted on  2013-03-04   7:28:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: wudidiz (#4)

no planes eliminates the need for remote control

cheaper too

bottom line

No planes would NOT be cheaper, and have MANY times more the chance of getting caught. All it would take is for ONE person to see that nothing was going on at the WTC while every station in the world was broadcasting what they were on the morning of 9/11.

MILLIONS of people saw it happen wud, so place the "no planes" idea on the list of things that most likely are NOT true, right under the one about Elvis being the one who masterminded the 9/11 attacks.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-03-04   7:50:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: FormerLurker (#20)

MILLIONS of people saw it happen wud

You know I sometimes wonder about you.

You know how it goes... either stupid or dishonest and all that...

These "MILLIONS" (thanks for the dramatic effect) you have names?

Give me one.


"Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking; where it is absent, discussion is apt to become worse than useless." ~ Leo Tolstoy

wudidiz  posted on  2013-03-04   9:53:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: *9-11*, *No Planers*, *Black Ops - Psyops* (#20)

MILLIONS of people saw it happen

(used to be "thousands" or "THOUSANDS" if you prefer)

kinda like this shit over here


"Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking; where it is absent, discussion is apt to become worse than useless." ~ Leo Tolstoy

wudidiz  posted on  2013-03-04   9:58:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: All (#22)

Astonishing.

It really is.


"Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking; where it is absent, discussion is apt to become worse than useless." ~ Leo Tolstoy

wudidiz  posted on  2013-03-04   10:00:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: FormerLurker (#20)

the one about Elvis being the one who masterminded the 9/11 attacks

Here's your witness

.

lmao


"Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking; where it is absent, discussion is apt to become worse than useless." ~ Leo Tolstoy

wudidiz  posted on  2013-03-04   10:05:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: wudidiz (#21)

These "MILLIONS" (thanks for the dramatic effect) you have names?

Give me one.

Are you unaware of the fact many if not most of the people working and/or living in NYC were watching the events unfold that morning? How many people do you think that was?

This wasn't some little cow town in the middle of nowhere wud, it was NYC.

BTW, can you provide the list of names of those working at the television studios who ran the fake tape of the WTC attack?

Can you name me the names of the people at the airports who lied about there being flights that morning which took off from their airports?

Can you name me the list of police and firefighters lied about what happened that morning?

How about a list of fake victims, and a list of fake family members?

Do you have ANY proof whatsoever that any of these people were lying?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-03-04   10:07:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: wudidiz (#24)

So on the questionable words of ONE individual you base your entire world view of what happened on the morning of 9/11?

You are in serious denial wud. How long have you fallen for every and any trick in the book?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-03-04   10:09:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: FormerLurker (#26)

These "MILLIONS" (thanks for the dramatic effect) you have names?

Give me one.

How did I know you couldn't?


"Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking; where it is absent, discussion is apt to become worse than useless." ~ Leo Tolstoy

wudidiz  posted on  2013-03-04   10:11:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: wudidiz (#27)

Would you like me to post the entire white pages for NYC?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-03-04   10:13:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: wudidiz (#27) (Edited)

And how did I know you couldn't give me the name of even ONE person who witnessed the fake video being produced or broadcast?

How did I already know you couldn't provide ONE bit of proof that anything you say is true?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-03-04   10:15:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: FormerLurker (#29)

I asked first.

If you have an answer please post it here.

Otherwise, I do have other things to do.


"Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking; where it is absent, discussion is apt to become worse than useless." ~ Leo Tolstoy

wudidiz  posted on  2013-03-04   10:20:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: wudidiz (#30)

So you admit that you have ZERO proof of what you claim, and that you believe every scatter brained claim made on the Internet because it makes you feel that you are "in the know".

You also admit that you are in total denial that the population of NYC is roughly 8 million, and that most of those people were watching the events unfold after hearing the news of what was going on.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-03-04   10:33:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: FormerLurker (#31)

that's what I thought


"Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking; where it is absent, discussion is apt to become worse than useless." ~ Leo Tolstoy

wudidiz  posted on  2013-03-04   15:43:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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