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Title: The irony of the intelligent believer
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Published: Nov 21, 2005
Author: Vox Day
Post Date: 2005-11-23 09:53:17 by Starwind
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Keywords: intelligent, believer, irony
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Let me begin by assuring the reader that I am no genius, except by some outmoded and ill-chosen intelligence classifications. Genius is a word best reserved for the supremely gifted, great and original minds such as Mozart, Shakespeare and Babbage, not third-rate novelists with a prediliction for techo-dilettantism and blogosphere debate. And yet, I am perhaps reasonably well-suited to answer the question that has been asked many times of every intelligent and educated Christian by incredulous atheists. How can you - an intelligent individual with an expensive education - possibly take seriously what is at best archaic mythology? How can someone who is otherwise considered to be smart subscribe to what amounts to nothing more than fairytales dressed up as history? And how can anyone who is clearly cognizant of Science ever declare allegiance to its great antithesis, Superstition? I take no offense at these questions, for if they are meant to ridicule, they nevertheless reveal that the questioner has perceived that vital dichotomy which so often precedes a major transformation in one's thinking. It is all too easy for the highly intelligent to dismiss the convictions of the average individual, after all, especially when one's IQ is as far from the norm as the norm is from those unfortunates who were once considered imbeciles. It is not so easy, however, to dismiss the beliefs and thought processes of those one otherwise considers one's intellectual peers. The first, and most obvious, answer is that one obviously can because others of historically remarkable intelligence have. There is no shortage of devout Christians on the list of mankind's most legendary geniuses - many of whom are still rightly revered by atheists and agnostics today. From Galileo and Newton to Doestoevsky and Tolkien, men of outstanding intellect and achievement have placed their trust in the Resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ. However, it is all too easy to dismiss many of these men as having lived in the pre-Enlightened era and it can always be argued, however disingenuously, that if those now dead had only been privy to the latest developments in modern science, they, too, would have turned their backs on the faith of their fathers. The second answer is a utilitarian one. Science is a whore. Her very essence precludes certainty, which is both a genuine strength and a grave weakness. It is a strength because the scientific method of testing hypotheses encourages a continual seeking after the truth, to which no one who lives by a book that declares "seek and ye shall find" should object. It is a weakness because the inherent mutability of science is at odds with the human desire for objective guidelines by which to live. This conflict tends to repeatedly create faux-sciences, which, however outmoded, are clung to with all the diehard fervor of the religious fanatic. For example, the field of psychoanalysis and the scientific disciplines of psychology and psychiatry are still heavily influenced by the theories of Sigmund Freud, who asserted that religion was an illusionary means of avoiding anxiety from which an individual must be freed in order to mature and reach full mental health. However, genuinely scientific studies have tended to demonstrate precisely the opposite, that at least in the Christian West, religion is a positive predictor of longevity and social maturity, as well as physical and mental health. Being trilingual, I do not subscribe to the literal 100 percent Word of God theory of the Bible. Nor do I understand how anyone who has read more than one English translation of the Bible can hold to it. (My own theory is that the Bible is the perfect and inspired Word of God revealed through imperfect men; while there are likely flaws created by that process, it is unwise to introduce more errors by attempting to further filter it through our own logic and one does well to accept John's admonition to neither add nor take anything away.) And yet, I find it remarkable how often the wise men of the world, despite the advantage of two millennia's history on which to draw, are repeatedly confounded by an ancient and static text. The archeologists and historians who cited the mythical Assyrians and Hittites as proof of the Bible's inaccuracy have already been proven wrong, and soon those who doubt the historical existence of a rich and powerful Davidic kingdom of Israel will be embarrassed as well. Psychologists, psychiatrists and child-care experts have led parents to turn millions of American children into drugged-out zombies because the sum total of their expertise doesn't function half as well as the book of Proverbs. Physicists and cosmologists are proposing imaginative theories of strings and multiple universes - which suggest some interesting supernatural possibilities to me, by the way - primarily in response to the way in which the anthropic principle threatens to render their disciplines mere tautological explanation. As for the secular humanists who are second to none in waving the black-and-white flag of Science, the ongoing demographic collapse of their cherished equalitarian societies in every Western nation is proving their theory of religion's deleterious effect on society to be as errant and intellectually bankrupt as Freud's is with regard to the individual. Theirs is a rotten fruit indeed. From a utilitarian perspective, then, it makes a tremendous amount of sense for an individual or a society to live by the precepts of the Bible, even if one does so sans belief. This is, I would argue, the most purely rational position, and indeed, famous non-believers such as Voltaire and the 18th-century deists so beloved by modern atheists - as long as they stay safely buried in the 1700s - would agree. Economists will tell you that the value of any model is its predictive ability. This is why I reject Keynesian macroeconomics - which are wildly unreliable - in favor of the Austrian school and wave theory, both of which actually work on occasion. And while there is no shortage of prophetic charlatans today, it is interesting to note how those who interpret world events through a biblical lens have proven to be more reliable than political scientists. Every dispensationalist believed the United States of Europe was an inevitability back in the late 1970s, while the poly-sci professors and politicians were still insisting that the Common Market was nothing more than a free-trade area as late as 1994. The establishment of Israel came as a surprise to almost everyone but the wild-eyed watchers of the end times in 1948. Today, who believes that the United States will surrender its national sovereignty to the United Nations and force implantable currency on its citizens except the most literally minded Christians? ADSX and DOC are both selling near all-time lows - an interesting empirical test might be to pick up 100 shares and see what happens over the next 10 years. The fourth answer is reciprocal action. Newton's third law states that all forces occur in pairs, and that paired forces are equal in magnitude and opposite in direction. Even when I was an agnostic, I marveled at the hatred and energy expended on Christians by non-Christians. I could not understand the cognitive dissonance demonstrated by the so-called experts in their rabid attempts to discredit all things even nominally related to Christianity - the nominally Jewish Anti-Defamation League's attack on the Ten Commandments being only the most ironic example of late - as well as their ready willingness to distort and even fabricate history. Who has not heard the Catholic Spanish Inquisition, (2,000 death sentences passed on to the Spanish Crown over 349 years) conflated with the pagan Holocaust (12 million murders in five years), and the atheist slaughters of the Great Terror, the Great Leap Forward and the Killing Fields. (4 million murders in 20 years, 30 million murders in 3 years and 2 million murders in four years, respectively.) And it is commonly asserted that religion is a major cause of war, although, as I have previously demonstrated, religion has only played a role in about 10 percent of all the wars in recorded history. As Jesus Christ declared it would, the world has hated those who followed Him from the moment it became aware of them - from Nero to Kim Jong Il's North Korea. While American atheists attempt to stamp out all public and private expression Christianity for fear of being wished a Merry Christmas at Wal-Mart, Christians are being murdered for their faith in Indonesia, Iraq, Nigeria and the Sudan, and are being imprisoned for their beliefs in Iran, China, Vietnam and Canada. This virulent and near-universal reaction to a religion that is more peaceful than Islam, more intellectual than Hinduism, more inclusive than Judaism and more historically beneficial to human society than Humanism makes little rational sense, and can be seen as evidence of an important element of the Christian worldview, namely, a fallen world ruled by an evil god in opposition to the Creator. Now, this is not a Christian apology and these are not reasons meant to convince one to accept the fundamental truth of Christianity. I trust, however, that it will help those who disdain religion to understand how it is at least possible to believe such things while also being in possession of an education and a functioning brain. Vox Day is a novelist and Christian libertarian. He is a member of the SFWA, Mensa and the Southern Baptist church, and has been down with Madden since 1992. Visit his Web log, Vox Popoli, for daily commentary and responses to reader email.
Poster Comment: I would quibble with his democide numbers. Additional research is available at http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/
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#31. To: timetobuildaboat (#30)
I was just teasing...
I'm humor challenged as of late.
"Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth." - Albert Einstein
Now thats not like you! Did it snow there today?
I think Nietzsche summarized it best (paraphrasing): Buddhism promises nothing and delivers nothing. Christianity makes lavish promises, but delivers nothing. Think about it, the only impetuses for following the religion is to avoid punishment of the worst sort and/or from the narcissistic view of enjoying eternal bliss. It's funny how today we laugh at the Egyptians for thinking they could bring their posessions to the afterlife, how naive, right. Well what are memories, experiences and consciousness? The most intimate posessions we have. People who pine to take those with them forever are like children. Nobody, and I mean nobody else believes/follows/whatever for any other reason. Reward or aversion to punishment. That's it. No wonder Yahweh is uptight.
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Good stuff....
"Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth." - Albert Einstein
I'm an intelligent believer in God, or a cosmic entity that encompasses the entire universe. I do not however believe in ANY organized religion as being the ONLY way to any kind of good or bad heaven. Here's why. I have several books about comparative religion going back into history to the time of the Sumerians. These were the people who had the first recorded history and religions. Let me explain something to all of the people who think that Jesus Christ is the only God who died, and was resurrected. There have always been gods who did this very same thing. They healed the sick, they brought peace wherever they went. They taught people how to live. There have and always will be people who we deify. When someone wants to get really picky about how Jesus Christ is the only way to heaven, I refer them to the story of Zoroaster. Enough said. I believe in God, oh yes I do. Do I believe in the so called Devil? No, but I believe that people on THIS fricking planet are inclined to doing great acts of evil, moreso that being a good, or virtuous person, which is why they need religions of all kinds to keep them on the narrow path. I am good by CHOICE. By VIRTUE, I am a decent, moral and ethical person. I am this way, because it is the path that I CHOOSE. God probably put me in the right place at the right time, but every day I have to fight to be this good person, because deep down inside I know I am NOT. In fact, I am capable of great evil, which is why choosing a Good life, and path is always fraught with pitfalls, and temptations. To think that everything God is can be found in one book, is to diminish God. The God I believe in doesn't care what I do with my life, so long as what I do is Good. The God I believe in doesn't take sides, because this world is a test to see which side, good or evil will prevail. It is by our deeds and choices that we turn the tide, and not because it is written in a book somewhere so that someone can use that book to lord over us, and extort money and fealty from us. The God I believe in is far more than I can imagine, and far more than any library of books could ever hold. To ascribe the idea that only ONE faith is the true path to God, is to think that there is only one kind of coffee that is good.
#32. To: Zipporah (#31)
#33. To: timetobuildaboat (#32)
I'm humor challenged as of late.
#34. To: timetobuildaboat (#24)
From my perspective the Zen Buddhists have a better grip on life then most.
#35. To: Dude Lebowski (#34)
I think Nietzsche summarized it best (paraphrasing): Buddhism promises nothing and delivers nothing. Christianity makes lavish promises, but delivers nothing.
#36. To: Starwind (#0)
 | So many morons, so few bullets. |
#37. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#36)
Not only that, but Pythagoras was a legend in his own time and was said to have been born to a virgin mother.
Let me explain something to all of the people who think that Jesus Christ is the only God who died, and was resurrected. There have always been gods who did this very same thing. They healed the sick, they brought peace wherever they went. They taught people how to live. There have and always will be people who we deify.
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#38. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#36)
And being first makes their writings believable because...well, why? What "gods" died and then resurrected themselves? And how will Zoroaster get you to heaven? Agreed. Everything God is can not be found in the Bible. Everything God is can be found in an eternal relationship with Him via His indwelt Holy Spirit offered to believers by His Son Jesus Christ. The Bible doesn't provide that, it only points out the way. There is only one God, right? Surely you're not going to argue there are many identical God's, though there may be many beliefs. But if there is only one true God, the one and only God who created the universe, mankind, set the laws of physics in motion, and is sovereign over all, then surely that God would not have revealed Himself in multiple, different and contrary religious philosophies. No, the one true God would declare the one truth, not multiple truths. And where is that one truth? The one truth that has demonstrated it's self- consistency and accuracy down through the millenia as being the revealed word of God, wherein God Himself declared the one true path to Him? Sincerely, do not blame God (or Jesus) for what others wrongfully do in His name. Just because someone claims to be a Christian and goes off crusading and piliging doesn't mean Christ directed or condoned those actions, nor does it mean God will allow those sinful deeds to go unpunished. Don't blame God for the self-serving and manipulative Bible interpretations used by men. The Pharisees did the same thing and Jesus called them a brood of vipers and white-washed selpuchres whose father was satan. Likewise do not blame the Bible because of the mistakes and shortcomings of its readers. We believe in and support a Constitution but we don't blame the constitution for what Presidents Clinton, Bush, etc.. have done to it or inspite of it. No, we blame them for not following the constitution. Likewise, blame people who claim to be Christian but don't follow the bible. Put your blame where it belongs, not on Jesus, God or the Bible. Just because someone claims to be a Christian, doesn't necessarily make it so, and those who claim to be Christian and talk-the-talk but don't walk-the-walk probably aren't.
the Sumerians. These were the people who had the first recorded history and religions.
Let me explain something to all of the people who think that Jesus Christ is the only God who died, and was resurrected. There have always been gods who did this very same thing.
When someone wants to get really picky about how Jesus Christ is the only way to heaven, I refer them to the story of Zoroaster.
To think that everything God is can be found in one book, is to diminish God.
To ascribe the idea that only ONE faith is the true path to God, is to think that there is only one kind of coffee that is good.
and not because it is written in a book somewhere so that someone can use that book to lord over us, and extort money and fealty from us.
(The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the only true good news)
#39. To: Starwind (#38)
Yahweh sure seemed to think do. Read Exodus 12:12. "Against all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgement." He wasn't talking about man (Pharoes, etc), because clearly he had made that distinction elsewhere. I doubt it meant objects of idolatry because why do static objects require judgement?
There is only one God, right? Surely you're not going to argue there are many identical God's
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#40. To: A K A Stone (#1)
True enough, if you broaden your perspective a little. Bible readers recognize this concept and usually take it to mean that you must believe in Jesus and/or the atonement doctrine in order to get into heaven. It could be argued that Jesus is the Gatekeeper and He decides who goes through and He may be a little more tolerant of those who may not necessarily accept Jesus as their personal savior. I think Jesus will let lots of folks, who do not know Him, come right on in. Those who believe in the one God, get a free ride. Remember, He and His Dad are eternally merciful and know our hearts.
Jesus is the ONLY way to heaven.
Adolf Hitler... "What luck for rulers that men do not think." John F. Kennedy... "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
#41. To: A K A Stone (#8)
You can't prove a negative.
If only there were such a thing as heaven... Prove their isn't.
Adolf Hitler... "What luck for rulers that men do not think." John F. Kennedy... "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
#42. To: christine (#14)
Christine, it's Christine not christine. You capitalize the first letter of a proper name. You wanna' get that log out of your eye. hehe
Stone, it's there, not their. Their is a possessive pronoun.
Adolf Hitler... "What luck for rulers that men do not think." John F. Kennedy... "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
#43. To: mirage (#16)
Another good reason to not take the Bible literally.
...the Church said the earth was flat because the Bible referred to "four corners" of it and made other references to a flat surface, like "standing on a mountain and surveying all of creation" which cannot be done with a round object.
Adolf Hitler... "What luck for rulers that men do not think." John F. Kennedy... "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
#44. To: wakeup (#43)
I feel like my body has gotten totally out of shape, so I got my doctor's permission to join a fitness club and start exercising. I decided to take an aerobics class for seniors. I bent, twisted, gyrated, jumped up and down, and perspired for an hour. But, by the time I got my leotards on, the class was over. --- Reporters interviewing a 104-year-old woman: "And what do you think is the best thing about being 104?" the reporter asked. She simply replied, "No peer pressure." --- The nice thing about being senile is you can hide your own Easter eggs. --- Just before the funeral services, the undertaker came up to the very elderly widow and asked, "How old was your husband?" "98," she replied. "Two years older than me." "So you're 96," the undertaker commented. She responded, "Hardly worth going home, is it? --- I've sure gotten old.! I've had two bypass surgeries, a hip replacement, and new knees. Fought prostate cancer and diabetes. I'm half blind, can't hear anything quieter than a jet engine, take 40 different medications that make me dizzy, winded, and subject to blackouts. Have bouts with dementia. Have poor circulation; hardly feel my hands and feet anymore. Can't remember if I'm 85 or 92. Have lost all my friends. But, thank God, I still have my driver's license. --- A 97-year-old man goes into his doctor's office and says, "Doc, I want my sex drive lowered." "Sir," replied the doctor, "you're 97 Don't you think your sex drive is all in your head?" "You're darn right it is!" replied the old man. "That's why I want it lowered!" --- An elderly woman decided to prepare her will and told her preacher she had two final requests. First, she wanted to be cremated, and second, she wanted her ashes scattered over Wal-Mart. "Wal-Mart?" the preacher exclaimed. "Why Wal- Mart?" "Then I'll be sure my daughters visit me twice a week." ---My memory's not as sharp as it used to be. Also, my memory's not as sharp as it used to be. --- Know how to prevent sagging? Just eat till the wrinkles fill out. ---I've still got it, but nobody wants to see it. ---I'm getting into swing dancing. Not on purpose. Some parts of my body are just prone to swinging. ---It's scary when you start making the same noises as your coffeemaker. ---The good news is that even as we get older, guys still look at our boobs. The bad news is they have to squat down first. ---These days about half the stuff in my shopping cart says, "For fast relief." ---I've tried to find a suitable exercise video for women my age, but they haven't made one called "Buns of Putty."
Humor break -
#45. To: timetobuildaboat (#20)
"Their" should be in quotes. Gov't school?
Their is a possessive pronoun.
Adolf Hitler... "What luck for rulers that men do not think." John F. Kennedy... "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
#46. To: wakeup (#43)
The four corners are east west north and south.
#47. To: A K A Stone (#13)
A K A Stone posted on 2005-11-23 15:00:55 ET Reply Trace Private Reply I'm jumping into this thread without reading it all, not usually a good idea. The reason is the idea that every one thought the worlds was flat. I can assure you that, from a very long time ago, 500bc to 1980bc, men were quite positive the earth was a sphere. That said, the mass brought up on a pastoral life had no reason to believe the earth was anything other that flat, esp. as they normally lived and died without going ten miles from his place of birth. Erastophnes (sp) calculated the circumference of the earth within a few % in 450 bc, thanks to a water well in Egypt that happened to be quite close to the tropic line. And if you correct his calculation for the longitude shift, he was pretty much spot on.
So when Christopher columbus said the world was round. Just like the bible points out. Science said the earth was flat. I guess you think it really was flat until that moment columbus proved it wasn't. lol
#48. To: Phaedrus (#22)
Any reason it should be? What is rational about believing that God had one Kid and sent Him to one of billions and billions of stars to die for a bunch of secular humanists who call themselves Christians and are expected to blindly believe that this Son is the only one and the only way off the planet and furthermore that once you leave you will live forever as a non-physical being?
"atheism is simply not rational."
Adolf Hitler... "What luck for rulers that men do not think." John F. Kennedy... "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
#49. To: mirage (#23)
No it's not.
"The Bible is 100% true..."
Adolf Hitler... "What luck for rulers that men do not think." John F. Kennedy... "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
#50. To: wakeup (#49)
Yes it is. nanny nanny boo boo
No it's not.
#51. To: lodwick (#44)
Was I getting too serious? The old man was asked if he had lived here all his life. He said, "not yet."
Humor break -
Adolf Hitler... "What luck for rulers that men do not think." John F. Kennedy... "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
#52. To: wakeup (#42)
it's wake up. not wakeup. :P
#53. To: christine (#52)
You got me.
"it's wake up. not wakeup"
Adolf Hitler... "What luck for rulers that men do not think." John F. Kennedy... "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
#54. To: wakeup (#51)
Nah. I just try to drop some goofie stuff into whatever is the hottest thread. It's all such a joke that I have to have some fun with it. WTF can we do about any of it? Cheers.
#55. To: wakeup (#45)
Their is a possessive pronoun. "Their" should be in quotes. Gov't school? Thanks for the English lesson, did you run out of valid arguments on something?? I can't believe the cocksuckers on this site who feel compelled by an air of superiority to correct others use of grammar. It truly shows ones insecurity.
"Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth." - Albert Einstein
#56. To: wakeup (#48)
Any reason it should be? The Universe is rational.
"atheism is simply not rational."
#57. To: Phaedrus (#56)
What if Vishnu is in fact running everything, wouldn't you look silly...
The Universe is rational.
And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush
#58. To: timetobuildaboat (#55)
I believe "cocksuckers" should be written with and apostrophe as to indicate possession as, ie. 'cocksuckers's'". Unless you do not remain in the possion of the "cock", in which case the psudo adjectivial case dominates and the "cocksuckees" preturnaturnal case applies. I am making this up.
can't on this site who feel compelled by an air of superiority to correct others use of grammar. It truly shows ones insecurity.
#59. To: timetobuildaboat (#55)
I don't know about the other insecure, cocksuckers but, I was just goofing off, no offense intended, purely in holiday fun. Thanks for slapping me back into the real world and reminding me that there are folks who are even more offensive than myself.
Adolf Hitler... "What luck for rulers that men do not think." John F. Kennedy... "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
#60. To: tom007 (#58)
I think "polesmoker" is a much more imaginative use of language. "cocksucker" has become so pedestrian.
Dubya to the serfs: "It's Raining!"
#61. To: Jhoffa_ (#60)
Well I try to imangine the ladys here, so I try to be somewhat of a Puritian. I see you "point".
#62. To: tom007 (#61)
Looks like someone needs to zip up.
"I see your "point"
Adolf Hitler... "What luck for rulers that men do not think." John F. Kennedy... "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
#63. To: Dakmar (#57)
Whatever else is true, atheism is a non-starter. 19th Century Materialism is its foundation. And while I am pro-Christian in the face of an anti- Christianity that seems fashionable (if immature) these days, I don't think "His" nature has been fully explored or explained by Christianity. As to "silly", I'm not bothered. Truth awaits, it doesn't insist.
What if Vishnu is in fact running everything, wouldn't you look silly...
#64. To: A K A Stone (#8)
No thanks. I think I'll stick to the realm of reason and logic - where the person making the assertion in the positive bears the burden of proof. If you assert the "existence" of heaven, then you are on the hook to lay out the foundation for such an assertion. In the mean time, and in leiu of evidence, the default position is one of disbelief.
Prove their isn't.
- "Liberty is the solution of all social and economic questions." ~~Joseph A. Labadie
#65. To: A K A Stone (#10)
Moon rocks don't give me commandments and threaten to burn me in eternal pools of fire and brimstone if I disobey.
So if I say their are no rocks on the moon. Then you would have to prove it. Prove their are rocks on the moon.
- "Liberty is the solution of all social and economic questions." ~~Joseph A. Labadie
#66. To: A K A Stone (#46)
Go stand in the west corner and count to 100.
The four corners are east west north and south.
- "Liberty is the solution of all social and economic questions." ~~Joseph A. Labadie
#67. To: Phaedrus (#56)
Any reason it should be? The Universe is rational. God made me an atheist. Who are you to challenge Him?!?
"atheism is simply not rational."
- "Liberty is the solution of all social and economic questions." ~~Joseph A. Labadie
#68. To: Mr Nuke Buzzcut (#67)
He made me an arsonist.. Where do you live? (/hypothetical)
Dubya to the serfs: "It's Raining!"
#69. To: Phaedrus (#63)
Absolutely incorrect. Atheism is nothing more and nothing less than a simple rejection of the false assertion that a god, any god, exists. There is no deeper root, no philosophical foundation, no system of doctrine or beliefs involved.
Whatever else is true, atheism is a non-starter. 19th Century Materialism is its foundation.
- "Liberty is the solution of all social and economic questions." ~~Joseph A. Labadie
#70. To: Jhoffa_ (#68)
Where do you live? In a mud hut. ;-)
He made me an arsonist..
- "Liberty is the solution of all social and economic questions." ~~Joseph A. Labadie
#71. To: Mr Nuke Buzzcut (#70)
LOL!
Dubya to the serfs: "It's Raining!"
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