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Title: 4um's New Look Goes Live!
Source: 4um
URL Source: http://www.freedom4um.com
Published: Nov 23, 2005
Author: Neil McIver
Post Date: 2005-11-23 16:43:55 by Neil McIver
Ping List: *4um Admin News*     Subscribe to *4um Admin News*
Keywords: 4ums, Live!, Look
Views: 948
Comments: 119

As all should now be able to see, 4um has a new look. The gist of everything is in place but there will be further tweaking of the look in the coming days.

The software is being specifically redesigned to work with style sheets (css). This will allow fine tuning of fonts to the preference of the forum owner, which was hardcoded into the software previously. That work will be on-going.

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#1. To: Neil McIver (#0)

Thanks Neil it's looking so good!!

Zipporah  posted on  2005-11-23   16:45:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Neil McIver (#0)

  Crisp and clean! I like simple and unclutered sites. The biggest mistake I see on the internet are sites that are too busy and try and ram everything on one page.

   Mark

Kamala  posted on  2005-11-23   16:56:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Neil McIver (#0)

Looks fantastic!

mirage  posted on  2005-11-23   16:58:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Neil McIver (#0)

Excellent! The links on the left side are very helpful.

Thank You!!

Death has a tendency to encourage a depressing view of war. – Donald Rumsfeld

robin  posted on  2005-11-23   17:02:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Zipporah, Neil McIver (#1)

There's nothing like coming home, walking into a dark room and damn near getting hurt because the lights are off and someone rearranged the furniture.

"If they ever drained all of the bullshit out of your average bush-bot, you could bury what's left of him in a matchbox."

orangedog  posted on  2005-11-23   17:05:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Neil McIver (#0)

There's too much blank space at the top of the screen.

Thank you for your service nevertheless.


I've already said too much.

MUDDOG  posted on  2005-11-23   17:05:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: orangedog, christine (#5)

There's nothing like coming home, walking into a dark room and damn near getting hurt because the lights are off and someone rearranged the furniture.

Hey you know women..always redecorating.. :P

Zipporah  posted on  2005-11-23   17:06:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: MUDDOG (#6)

There's too much blank space at the top of the screen.

Where do you mean? Between the image and the article title?

Zipporah  posted on  2005-11-23   17:07:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Neil McIver (#0)

I HATE IT! IT STINKS!

(kidding)

it's really nice!

CAPPSMADNESS  posted on  2005-11-23   17:08:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Zipporah (#8)

At the top of the page, it's blank for the first 25% of the screen, then occurs the top line -- Home Headlines Latest Articles etc.


I've already said too much.

MUDDOG  posted on  2005-11-23   17:10:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: MUDDOG (#10)

Hmm what browser are you using? You're not seeing an image at the top of the page?

Zipporah  posted on  2005-11-23   17:11:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Neil McIver (#0)

Looks good. Have to get used to the feel of it though.

A K A Stone  posted on  2005-11-23   17:13:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Zipporah (#11)

OK, I turned on "show pictures," and I see it now.


I've already said too much.

MUDDOG  posted on  2005-11-23   17:13:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Neil McIver, ALL (#0)

As you navigate, you'll see some things that need tweaking as far as font size and color. It's a work in progress but we were anxious for everyone to see the new logo and art! The design was a joint effort by Zipporah and me, however, we hired a local webdesigner, Chalant Print, who also designed my Bring 'Em Home site, to do the work. Neil is the one who is integrating and implementing it all. Thanks, Neil, for all your effort. Zip and I are very pleased.

My horoscope for today. Daily bad news reminds you that there will always be a colorful array of potential catastrophes available for your panicking pleasure. How appropriate.

christine  posted on  2005-11-23   17:14:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: christine (#14)

Dear God, Please make the fonts larger.

Thank you.

Lod  posted on  2005-11-23   17:19:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: christine, Neil McIver, ALL (#14)

It looks so good chris.. And Neil has been hard working to incorporate it with his software... thanks Neil.

There are a lot of new options for posters with links to news sites, some good resources .. browse around and you'll find there are lots of new things other than just the look.. although I will say thats the best part.. :)

Zipporah  posted on  2005-11-23   17:19:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: lodwick (#15)

Neil's working on it.. as he said there are some things that will change as he goes along.. be patient! ;)

Zipporah  posted on  2005-11-23   17:20:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Neil McIver (#0)

Nice look!

Burkeman1  posted on  2005-11-23   17:21:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: lodwick (#15)

jim, see my post above. be patient, please. for now, you can make the font larger in your browser.

My horoscope for today. Daily bad news reminds you that there will always be a colorful array of potential catastrophes available for your panicking pleasure. How appropriate.

christine  posted on  2005-11-23   17:25:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: lodwick, zipporah, christine (#15)

Font sizes in general should be pretty much set. Changes there would affect the site for everyone.

Pinguinite for Pinguins

Neil McIver  posted on  2005-11-23   17:26:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Neil McIver (#20)

the comments are tiny font now and so are the article titles on LC. the poster's names are larger than the comments. it should be the opposite. something got messed up. it wasn't like that yesterday.

My horoscope for today. Daily bad news reminds you that there will always be a colorful array of potential catastrophes available for your panicking pleasure. How appropriate.

christine  posted on  2005-11-23   17:30:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Neil McIver (#20)

the taglines are larger than the replies too.

My horoscope for today. Daily bad news reminds you that there will always be a colorful array of potential catastrophes available for your panicking pleasure. How appropriate.

christine  posted on  2005-11-23   17:31:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Neil McIver (#21)

i should specify i'm using IE. it's not as bad in firefox, but both were properly sized yesterday. also, if i set my browser at largest fonts, the go buttons go outside the middle column.

My horoscope for today. Daily bad news reminds you that there will always be a colorful array of potential catastrophes available for your panicking pleasure. How appropriate.

christine  posted on  2005-11-23   17:36:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: christine (#19)

The post comment page is readable and nice.

I'll be visiting my father tomorrow, so maybe things will be all better here upon my return.

Good luck with it.

Lod  posted on  2005-11-23   17:38:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: christine (#23)

My MyIE2 font setting is at the LARGEST, btw, and Ctrl plus wheel scrolling has no effect upon the font size, for what that may be worth...resolution is 1280 x 1084.

Now it seems that the Post Comment page has caught the teeny-tiny disease.

Lod  posted on  2005-11-23   17:45:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Neil McIver (#0)

Looks Great!

It's about twice as wide as my little monitor, though. Anyone else?

:: 4um's 'ARG List' ::

valis  posted on  2005-11-23   17:46:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: lodwick, Neil McIver (#25)

that's what i'm seeing too. teeny tiny.

My horoscope for today. Daily bad news reminds you that there will always be a colorful array of potential catastrophes available for your panicking pleasure. How appropriate.

christine  posted on  2005-11-23   17:49:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: valis (#26)

what is your monitor resolution set at? it should be 1024x768.

My horoscope for today. Daily bad news reminds you that there will always be a colorful array of potential catastrophes available for your panicking pleasure. How appropriate.

christine  posted on  2005-11-23   17:51:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Neil McIver (#0)

Whoa! Very nice, very classy look. I'm impressed.

Gold and silver are real money, paper is but a promise.

Elliott Jackalope  posted on  2005-11-23   18:00:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: christine (#22)

I've jacked up the font size of the comments when reading threads. Let me know how that looks.

I have to sign off here for the day shortly but will be back on tomorrow.

Pinguinite for Pinguins

Neil McIver  posted on  2005-11-23   18:02:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Elliott Jackalope (#29)

Whoa! Very nice, very classy look. I'm impressed.

Thanks!! That's precisely what chris and I were striving for..

Zipporah  posted on  2005-11-23   18:04:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: christine (#28)

Thanx. For some reason I thought this monitor had to be at 800x600. Duh.

:: 4um's 'ARG List' ::

valis  posted on  2005-11-23   18:07:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Neil McIver (#30)

Let me know how that looks.

It's much better, but don't hesitate to give it another goose or two when you get a chance.

Thanks much!

Cheers.

Lod  posted on  2005-11-23   18:08:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Neil McIver (#30)

on IE, it's still too small. the comments are smaller than the taglines and the article titles on the LC page are still too small.

i should be on til mid afternoon tomorrow to work with you on it. see you then. have a good evening!

My horoscope for today. Daily bad news reminds you that there will always be a colorful array of potential catastrophes available for your panicking pleasure. How appropriate.

christine  posted on  2005-11-23   18:10:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Neil McIver (#0)

Looks good, can you just adjust the pape to fit in without me scrowling left-right all the time.

Foti

LostBody  posted on  2005-11-23   18:12:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: LostBody (#35)

Please refer to the post chris did to valis.. it has to do with the resolution you have your monitor set on.. thanks

Zipporah  posted on  2005-11-23   18:12:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: LostBody (#35)

check your screen resolution, Foti. it should be at 1024x768. it will fit perfectly without the L/R scroll then.

My horoscope for today. Daily bad news reminds you that there will always be a colorful array of potential catastrophes available for your panicking pleasure. How appropriate.

christine  posted on  2005-11-23   18:13:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: christine (#37)

Gosh......... need a double triple set of glasses to read it. LOLOLOLOL. It's ok i'll get used to it.

LostBody  posted on  2005-11-23   18:16:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: LostBody (#38)

we're still working on the font size. it's too small for me too. neil has to sign off for today though. we'll get it all fixed over the next couple of days.

My horoscope for today. Daily bad news reminds you that there will always be a colorful array of potential catastrophes available for your panicking pleasure. How appropriate.

christine  posted on  2005-11-23   18:19:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Neil McIver (#0)

Thanks for all the hard work sprucing up this site.

The background color is a lot easier on the eyes than the old WHITE, and I already feel a lot more at home with the informal patriotic graphics theme.

Y'all got class!

- r.

randge  posted on  2005-11-23   18:36:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: LostBody, lodwick, Neil McIver (#38)

*blush*

i just checked my resolution. i had it way up there. i just changed it to 1152x864 and it makes a big difference. in IE, the poster comments are still smaller than the taglines, but the article titles on LC are fine. in firefox, everything looks good.

My horoscope for today. Daily bad news reminds you that there will always be a colorful array of potential catastrophes available for your panicking pleasure. How appropriate.

christine  posted on  2005-11-23   18:47:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Neil McIver, christine, lodwick, FONT SIZE (#20)

If you have a mouse with wheel you can adjust font size inside browser by holding down Control Key and wheeling up or down.

Neil, I'm using Firefox and cannot see the entire page unless I close the sidebar, which I use a lot and don't really want to have to close to keep from having to scroll l/r when I come here. Looks great otherwise, I'm glad to see the return of the underlined link.

And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush

Dakmar  posted on  2005-11-23   18:54:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: All (#42)

1152 x 864

Ok, I can see entire page now along with browser sidebar, but I'm really of a mind that software should accomodate me.

And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush

Dakmar  posted on  2005-11-23   18:58:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Dakmar (#43)

Ok, I can see entire page now along with browser sidebar, but I'm really of a mind that software should accomodate me.

Neil's working with the graphics guys.. still a work in progress..

Zipporah  posted on  2005-11-23   19:00:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Zipporah (#44)

Neil's working with the graphics guys.. still a work in progress..

I really looks good so far. You do you want constructive criticism, don't you? Even from goofs?

And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush

Dakmar  posted on  2005-11-23   19:05:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Dakmar (#45)

Of course.. !! If not we'd never be able to address them.. I wasnt offended ..

Zipporah  posted on  2005-11-23   19:06:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Zipporah (#46)

I wasnt offended ...

It's been one of those days...well, yesterday was anyway. Sometimes it's best just to be extra polite.

And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush

Dakmar  posted on  2005-11-23   19:13:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Dakmar (#47)

t's been one of those days...well, yesterday was anyway. Sometimes it's best just to be extra polite.

Is this where I tell you to go stick it?? :P

But seriously if you do see anything please do let us know.. we want 4 to be user friendly ..

Zipporah  posted on  2005-11-23   19:14:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Dakmar (#42)

You may want to up the res on your monitor and see if that doesn't lose the scroll necessity.

Lod  posted on  2005-11-23   19:15:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: lodwick (#49)

Thanks loddy, way ahead of you! We need some Cowboy Junkies. Maybe on new thread. I'll start new thread.

And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush

Dakmar  posted on  2005-11-23   19:19:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Christine (#50)

Looking real good!!!!

Jethro Tull  posted on  2005-11-23   19:32:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Jethro Tull (#51)

thank you! still needs some tweaking to get everything just right. ;)

My horoscope for today. Daily bad news reminds you that there will always be a colorful array of potential catastrophes available for your panicking pleasure. How appropriate.

christine  posted on  2005-11-23   19:40:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: orangedog (#5)

There's nothing like coming home, walking into a dark room and damn near getting hurt because the lights are off and someone rearranged the furniture.

I'll second that. To me things were fine just the way they were. Nice art work, but people don't come here for art work.

God is always good!
"It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02]

RickyJ  posted on  2005-11-23   19:58:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Neil McIver (#0)

Sorry, but I'm not able to appreciate what's been done; guess I got no class.

Another Mogambo Day

rack42  posted on  2005-11-23   22:31:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Neil McIver (#0)

Very nice job, Neil. I really like the new look. Understated, but very attractive.

Mekons4  posted on  2005-11-23   22:48:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Neil McIver, christine, Zipporah (#0)

Love the redesign. I have only one suggestion. The article titles need to be a color to offset them more from the information text under them. May I suggest dark olive green (as in the brush stroke under the logo)?

Check out my blog, America, the Bushieful.

Arator  posted on  2005-11-23   22:54:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: Arator (#56)

Thanks.. glad you like it! We'll consider the suggestion.. thanks so much for your input.

Zipporah  posted on  2005-11-23   22:56:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: Neil McIver (#0)

Is there an individual way to get rid of the gray background? Can I bozo it like I did agent provacateur AKA Stone?

Why should we hear about body bags and deaths. Oh, I mean, it's not relevant. So why should I waste my beautiful mind on something like that? -- Big Mama Bush

wbales  posted on  2005-11-23   22:58:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Neil McIver, christine, Zipporah (#56)

Here's dark olive green in a bigger title font:

4um's New Look Goes Live!

Check out my blog, America, the Bushieful.

Arator  posted on  2005-11-23   22:58:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: Zipporah (#57)

Nope. I don't like this. I'm here to concentrate on words and not sideline graphics.

Why should we hear about body bags and deaths. Oh, I mean, it's not relevant. So why should I waste my beautiful mind on something like that? -- Big Mama Bush

wbales  posted on  2005-11-23   23:00:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: Arator (#59)

You stole my font you bitch.. !

Dubya to the serfs: "It's Raining!"

Jhoffa_  posted on  2005-11-23   23:02:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: Arator (#59)

Hey Arator! Happy T-Day!!

Jethro Tull  posted on  2005-11-23   23:04:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: wbales (#60)

Nope. I don't like this. I'm here to concentrate on words and not sideline graphics.

Well hopefully you'll adjust to it.. we wanted to make 4 asthetically pleasing and easy on the eye .. unlike the bright white it was.. and wanted to not look like a retread of other forums..

Zipporah  posted on  2005-11-23   23:04:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: wbales (#58)

In IE, go to Tools > Internet Options > General > Accessibility, where you check "Ignore colors specified on Web pages."


I've already said too much.

MUDDOG  posted on  2005-11-23   23:05:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: Neil McIver (#0)

Neil, this is a political forum--not an art gallery. If you add stobe lights, I'm leaving.

Why should we hear about body bags and deaths. Oh, I mean, it's not relevant. So why should I waste my beautiful mind on something like that? -- Big Mama Bush

wbales  posted on  2005-11-23   23:05:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: wbales (#65)

Neil, this is a political forum--not an art gallery. If you add stobe lights, I'm leaving.

Shoot .. that was our next change .. well I guess we have to rethink that one :P

Zipporah  posted on  2005-11-23   23:07:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: wbales (#65)

stobe lights

Jethro Tull  posted on  2005-11-23   23:08:26 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: Jethro Tull (#62)

Hey Arator! Happy T-Day!!

Hey JT! Happy T-day to you!

Check out my blog, America, the Bushieful.

Arator  posted on  2005-11-23   23:08:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: Zipporah (#63)

and wanted to not look like a retread of other forums..

With the comments, links and threads of 4um, it could NEVER be considered a retread of any other forum.

And, dammit, I don't like change.

Why should we hear about body bags and deaths. Oh, I mean, it's not relevant. So why should I waste my beautiful mind on something like that? -- Big Mama Bush

wbales  posted on  2005-11-23   23:08:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: wbales (#69)

With the comments, links and threads of 4um, it could NEVER be considered a retread of any other forum.

And, dammit, I don't like change.

Well it looked like every other forum.. just look at it this way.. you post at a very unique forum in every way possible :P

We knew some people wouldnt want change.. it's a man thing I think :P

Zipporah  posted on  2005-11-23   23:11:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: Zipporah (#70)

it's a man thing I think

Well, that's a scientific fact.

However, when you look at the new 4um page, it requires more concentration. Drats.

Why should we hear about body bags and deaths. Oh, I mean, it's not relevant. So why should I waste my beautiful mind on something like that? -- Big Mama Bush

wbales  posted on  2005-11-23   23:13:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: wbales (#71)

Well, that's a scientific fact.

However, when you look at the new 4um page, it requires more concentration. Drats.

It'll pass.. We've been using the new version for several weeks and it passes.. you'll learn to love it.. OF COURSE :P

Zipporah  posted on  2005-11-23   23:15:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: wbales (#71)

To: Neil McIver, ALL (#0) As you navigate, you'll see some things that need tweaking as far as font size and color. It's a work in progress but we were anxious for everyone to see the new logo and art! The design was a joint effort by Zipporah and me, however, we hired a local webdesigner, Chalant Print, who also designed my Bring 'Em Home site, to do the work. Neil is the one who is integrating and implementing it all. Thanks, Neil, for all your effort. Zip and I are very pleased.

christine  posted on  2005-11-23   23:17:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: Zipporah (#72)

It shall take considerable effort to grow accustomed to what appears as spilled paint.

Why should we hear about body bags and deaths. Oh, I mean, it's not relevant. So why should I waste my beautiful mind on something like that? -- Big Mama Bush

wbales  posted on  2005-11-23   23:19:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: wbales (#74)

t shall take considerable effort to grow accustomed to what appears as spilled paint.

Well.. I dont know what to tell you other than give it time.. ?

Zipporah  posted on  2005-11-23   23:20:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: christine (#73)

OK. I'll shut up now.

Why should we hear about body bags and deaths. Oh, I mean, it's not relevant. So why should I waste my beautiful mind on something like that? -- Big Mama Bush

wbales  posted on  2005-11-23   23:21:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: wbales (#69)

I think the art work is great, but it sucks to read words on it, and that's what people are here for, right? But hey, if 4um has become the art forum, so be it, I'll just make sure I try to fit in when I post here from now on. LOL!

God is always good!
"It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02]

RickyJ  posted on  2005-11-23   23:22:40 ET  (2 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: Neil McIver (#0)

When "they" come busting through my front door looking to "correct" my free speech, maybe, just maybe, one of them will hesitate when they see how pretty the site looks. That may give me the time to offer milk and cookies before they open fire. This new look might just save my life. Well done!

Oh oh. What did I say? Why are the black helicopters hovering outside my house again? Sheesh! ;)

When prosperity comes, do not use all of it. - Confucious
The nation is prosperous on the whole, but how much prosperity is there in a hole? - Will Rogers
There are 9,000 hedge funds out there. There aren't that many smart people in the world. - Michael Driscoll, a trader at Bear Stearns & Co. in New York
Some days you just want to pull out the Bonehead Stick and beat people senseless. - mirage

markm0722  posted on  2005-11-23   23:23:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: RickyJ (#77)

LOL...hey, you don't see any flowers in our design! :P

christine  posted on  2005-11-23   23:27:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: markm0722 (#78)

When "they" come busting through my front door looking to "correct" my free speech, maybe, just maybe, one of them will hesitate when they see how pretty the site looks. That may give me the time to offer milk and cookies before they open fire. This new look might just save my life. Well done!

very astute observation! see? there was a method to our madness!

christine  posted on  2005-11-23   23:27:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: wbales, Rickyj (#76)

come on now, you have to admit, this is far more sophisticated and classy looking than the old look which we threw up in a hurry to get the place open.

christine  posted on  2005-11-23   23:31:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: Neil McIver, Christine, Zipporah All (#0)

Thank you Neil, Christine, and Zipporah. This site looks brilliant.

Have a Happy Thanksgiving everyone!



"What is this JEWS thing. You sound like a Nazi." -- Mekons4 posted on 2005-06-02 23:41:48 ET

NOLAJBS  posted on  2005-11-23   23:42:55 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: NOLAJBS (#82)

Thanks!! Happy Thanksgiving to you as well.. have a blessed day with your family!

Zipporah  posted on  2005-11-23   23:44:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: Neil McIver, Zipporah, Christine (#40)

It's nice, very stylish, but fonts are too small, not as easy to read as before. Otherwise, I think I'll get used to it and it'll feel comfy.

Happy Thanksgiving~!! Added after seeing preview: THE PREVIEW SCREEN IS GREAT~!! Clean, neat, easy to read... If the rest was like that, it'd be poifect...

Don't force feed me your views... talk to me so I can hear you...

siagiah  posted on  2005-11-24   0:08:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: siagiah (#84)

it's a work in progress. we'll be dealing with the font sizes tomorrow. thanks for your input, sia. ;)

christine  posted on  2005-11-24   0:12:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: siagiah (#84)

what browser do you use?

christine  posted on  2005-11-24   0:13:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: siagiah (#84)

It's nice, very stylish, but fonts are too small, not as easy to read as before. Otherwise, I think I'll get used to it and it'll feel comfy.

Happy Thanksgiving~!! Added after seeing preview: THE PREVIEW SCREEN IS GREAT~!! Clean, neat, easy to read... If the rest was like that, it'd be poifect...

I know the font issue is something we're working on.. and its an issue in some browsers as chris said..

Hope you have a great Thanksgiving.. are you going out or cooking? Are your girls going to be at home?

Zipporah  posted on  2005-11-24   0:15:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: christine, Zipporah (#86)

If I don't like it can I get my deposit back?

Hey buddy! You got any spare change.

Hmmmmm  posted on  2005-11-24   0:30:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: Hmmmmm (#88)

f I don't like it can I get my deposit back?

Naw.. you get charged double :P

Zipporah  posted on  2005-11-24   0:33:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: Neil McIver (#0)

WOW!!!! It looks really nice but to be honest - I find it much harder to read. The type seems smaller and harder to read and the grey background provides less contrast with the type.

Don't mean to sound unappreciative as I know how hard you folks work on the Forum and just providing it is a great thing. But it is harder to read and I guess for me, that's the most important thing. :)

mehitable  posted on  2005-11-24   1:01:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: mehitable (#90)

But it is harder to read and I guess for me, that's the most important thing. :)

Thanks for your input.. Neil is still working on the font issues.. but we wanted to go ahead and get the new version online.. it should be resolved in a couple of days.. Neil's time online is limited.. Happy Thanksgiving!

Zipporah  posted on  2005-11-24   1:08:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: christine (#81)

come on now, you have to admit, this is far more sophisticated and classy looking than the old look which we threw up in a hurry to get the place open.

Yeah, it looks really good. And I think that maybe I just don't like change too much. The more I get use to it, the more I like it. However I had no problem with the way it was before though.

God is always good!
"It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02]

RickyJ  posted on  2005-11-24   1:30:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: Zipporah, christine (#91)

Nice look ... it seems more of an artistic forum now, as opposed to a forum concerned with the body politick. You gals are getting kooky.

buckeroo  posted on  2005-11-24   1:35:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: Zipporah (#91)

Happy Thanksgiving, Zip!!!! What are you still doing up? Personally I'm dreading seeing my inlaws tomorrow (shudder)....

mehitable  posted on  2005-11-24   1:37:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: mehitable (#94)

Happy Thanksgiving, Zip!!!! What are you still doing up? Personally I'm dreading seeing my inlaws tomorrow (shudder)....

I'm dreading it too. I hate to say it, but it kind of spoils Thanksgiving for me.

God is always good!
"It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02]

RickyJ  posted on  2005-11-24   1:59:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: Zipporah, christine, Neil McIver (#1)

Gyrlz! You like totally rawk!

(The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the only true good news)

Starwind  posted on  2005-11-24   2:41:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: RickyJ (#95)

I'm really only going because of my boyfriend, I'd rather stay home myself. The holidays can be so stressful and unpleasant, if you have to spend them with people you don't really care for. Ah well, we'll get through it, it's just for a few hours (shudder)....

mehitable  posted on  2005-11-24   10:22:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: christine, LostBody (#39)

Thread comment size racheted up 2 more notches...

Pinguinite for Pinguins

Neil McIver  posted on  2005-11-24   12:11:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: RickyJ (#92)

Yeah, it looks really good. And I think that maybe I just don't like change too much. The more I get use to it, the more I like it.

you get a cyber hug for that and, btw, you have pm. ;)

christine  posted on  2005-11-24   12:14:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: Zipporah, christine, Neil McIver (#87)

I like it!

Happy Thanksgiving to all!!

Fred Mertz  posted on  2005-11-24   12:16:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: RickyJ, mehitable (#95)

Happy Thanksgiving, Zip!!!! What are you still doing up? Personally I'm dreading seeing my inlaws tomorrow (shudder)....

I'm dreading it too. I hate to say it, but it kind of spoils Thanksgiving for me.

Are they members here? ;^)

Pinguinite for Pinguins

Neil McIver  posted on  2005-11-24   12:20:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: Neil McIver (#101)

Did you just change the font to bold or did the drugs just kick in???

CAPPSMADNESS  posted on  2005-11-24   12:24:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: Fred Mertz (#100)

thanks, Fred!

christine  posted on  2005-11-24   12:25:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: mehitable (#90)

what browser are you using? this looks perfect size in firefox, but in IE the comment size still looks too small in relation to the buttons and poster's names. also, at what resolution is your screen set?

christine  posted on  2005-11-24   12:27:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: christine (#103)

I drove eleven hours yesterday to celebrate Thanksgiving with my friends and goddaughter in sunny Florida. When I typed in the 4um URL I thought I mistyped it until I saw Neil's posting bragging about the new look.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2005-11-24   12:27:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: Starwind (#96)

;P

christine  posted on  2005-11-24   12:38:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: christine (#106)

Made a font change to the thread comments. Any better?

Pinguinite for Pinguins

Neil McIver  posted on  2005-11-24   13:04:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: Neil McIver, ALL (#107)

not in IE. it's still teeny tiny and much smaller than your tagline font. preview font size looks great though. i have my resolution at 1280x1024 now. that's where i had it when we had the size right before we went live.

christine  posted on  2005-11-24   13:27:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: christine (#108)

Hmmmm... in firefox my comment is a bit larger than my tagline.

Pinguinite for Pinguins

Neil McIver  posted on  2005-11-24   13:29:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: Neil McIver (#109)

Test posting in MSIE

Pinguinite for Pinguins

Neil McIver  posted on  2005-11-24   13:31:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#111. To: All (#109)

Okay, I think part of it is that I've got a different font is firefox than I get in MSIE, and the fonts respond differently to the style sheet size commands.

Pinguinite for Pinguins

Neil McIver  posted on  2005-11-24   13:33:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#112. To: Neil McIver (#111)

Littering a dark and dreary road lay the past relics of browser-specific tags, incompatible DOMs, and broken CSS support.

Pinguinite for Pinguins

Neil McIver  posted on  2005-11-24   15:56:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#113. To: Neil McIver (#111)

Okay, I think part of it is that I've got a different font is firefox than I get in MSIE, and the fonts respond differently to the style sheet size commands.

You (hopefully) might want to test Opera as well :-)

It's even free now... without banners!

There are some minor display/rendering issues I see, but I don't know that they're not related to problems already reported (fonts and horizontal scrolling).

(The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the only true good news)

Starwind  posted on  2005-11-24   16:12:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#114. To: Starwind (#113)

You (hopefully) might want to test Opera as well :-)

Owww..... Who invented that font?

Pinguinite for Pinguins

Neil McIver  posted on  2005-11-24   16:43:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#115. To: Neil McIver (#114)

You (hopefully) might want to test Opera as well :-)

Owww..... Who invented that font?

Opera is a browser not a font.

God is always good!
"It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02]

RickyJ  posted on  2005-11-24   16:58:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#116. To: RickyJ (#115)

I know it is. It's just that my Opera displays text in a very ugly font. I can't find a place to make any adjustments in Opera.

Then again, even the opera web site looks ugly in Opera. We may not be able to help Opera.

Pinguinite for Pinguins

Neil McIver  posted on  2005-11-24   17:10:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#117. To: Neil McIver (#116)

It's just that my Opera displays text in a very ugly font.

That's odd. It's almost identical to my IE display, just a tad more compact than IE.

I can't find a place to make any adjustments in Opera.

Try:
Tools => preferences => advanced => content => style options
Tools => preferences => advanced => fonts

After customizing, you can toggle back and forth from author mode (whatever the website specifies plus any local overrides made above) or user mode (entirely overridden with your own settings).

Let me know what doesn't work right...I'll try to talk you in.

(The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the only true good news)

Starwind  posted on  2005-11-24   17:40:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#118. To: Neil McIver (#117)

FYI, title tags are being generated but *not* filled in on threads, in case no one said anything or you hadn't noticed.

(The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the only true good news)

Starwind  posted on  2005-11-25   15:20:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#119. To: Starwind (#118)

we were on the phone together working on things for a couple of hours earlier. neil will be back this evening and we'll continue. as you notice things, keep letting us know. we're having to go over every page with a fine toothed comb! thanks, Starwind.

christine  posted on  2005-11-25   15:34:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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