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Title: Homosexuality is a Sin
Source: jesus-is-savior.com
URL Source: http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evil ... omy/homosexuality_is_a_sin.htm
Published: Nov 23, 2005
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Post Date: 2005-11-23 20:34:23 by A K A Stone
Keywords: Homosexuality
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Comments: 1391

The homosexual activist movement and organized pedophiles are linked together by a common goal: To gain access to children for seduction into homosexuality.

Serial killers, government tyrants, academic liberals, Catholic priests, politicians, Mormon Church higher-ups, Jewish rabbis, environmental extremists, communists, religious heretics, mass murderers, occultists, spies, and the Illuminati share something hideous and grotesque in common. Almost all are homo-sexual. Worse, most of the sick-minded men who comprise these demented social groups are not only homosexual, they practice the most kinky and perverted forms of sexual licentiousness-pedophilia, satanic bondage, physical torture, bisexuality, transvestitism, and even bestiality.

If you doubt this, I invite you to consider the wicked lives of some of these moral degenerates—men like Lenin, Mussolini, Hitler, Marx, Jim Jones, Alfred Kinsey, Michael Jackson, Jacques DeMolay, Bill Clinton, Jim Bakker, Jimmy Swaggart, Mick Jagger, Aleister Crowley, Hubert Humphrey, Paul Tsongas, Martin Luther King, Mario Cuomo, Rudy Giuliani, Jeffrey Dahmer, Richard Speck, and John Wayne Gacy.

Homosexuality in the Mystery Religions

In the ancient pagan Mystery Religions, homosexuality and pedophilia were popularized. Worshippers of Baal erected shrines and temples of male prostitution (I Kings 14). Roman Emperors Nero, Caligula, and Commodus engaged in incest, sex with boys, bondage, and a variety of evil crimes. So, too, did those in Pharaoh's court. Alexander the Great was a homosexual who loved little boys.

When the Spanish Conquistadors conquered Central America and the Yucatan in Mexico, they found that most native Indian priests were sodomites. In their pagan temples were sacred statues depicting gay sex acts. In Babylon, people sacrificed and prayed to gods and goddesses requesting sexual favors and carnal pleasures.

Seal of Knights Templar

Two versions of the official seal of the Knights Templar, precursors of the Freemasons. Note that in the version at right, the two riders carry a shield. But, in the other version of the seal (left), one's shield is gone and the knight has placed his hand in a most sensitive area of his body.

The Knights Templar and Baphomet

In the 14th century, a Catholic band of crusaders known as the Order of Knights Templar grew in power and riches. They and their leader, their Sovereign Grand Master, Frenchman Jacques DeMolay, built temples and tabernacles of worship. Only Knights Templar initiates could enter therein. Soon, reports spread of the grotesque and unseemly mode of worship of these depraved men. Their secret religion was based on worship of an androgynous (1/2 male, 1/2 female) satanic goat god named Baphomet.

In the Knights Templar rituals, a crucifix of Jesus was reviled and urinated on, and homosexual orgies were rumored. Strangely, the seal, or coat of arms, of the Order depicted two knights riding on one horse! Was this an emblem of their homosexual passion or, as the Templars protested, a statement of their "brotherly love?"

When the rumors and gossip of their antichrist activities reached a feverish pitch, the Kings of continental Europe were forced to move against the Order. Their Sovereign Grand Master, DeMolay, was tried, convicted and burned at the stake, their temples shut down. Amazingly, the Knights Templar survived, hiding out in Scotland and underground in Europe. Then, in the 1800s, they made a startling comeback in the new form of Freemasonry! Today, the Masonic youth group is even named the DeMolays. Bill Clinton, as a teenager, was a member of this organization. Baphomet

Baphomet, the half male, half female goat god of the Knights Templar, was revived by Eliphas Levi, the infamous 19th century Freemason and magician and reportedly is worshipped today by homosexual cults.

Communists, Homosexuality, and Perversion

Communism, as propounded by Satanist Karl Marx, was an offshoot of Templarism. As Jüri Lina documents in his sensational book, Under the Sign of the Scorpion, Vladimir Lenin, the communist monster who founded the bloody communist regime in Soviet Russia, frequented brothels and maintained three mistresses.

Laventi Beria, Stalin's decadent Chief of Secret Police, a man who arrested, tortured, imprisoned, and executed some 20 million innocent victims in Russia, was truly a heinous sex criminal. Beria would have his chauffeur drive him around Moscow in a limo evenings searching for a young girl or boy out walking alone. Then, Beria would order his security police to grab and kidnap the hapless youth. What horrible fate transpired to such victims I do not wish to recount here. Obviously, Stalin knew of Beria's evil criminality and had no objections.

Hitler & Mussolini enjoy a homoerotic exhibit

In 1937 at the House of German Art Museum, Nazi Führer Hitler and Italian dictator Mussolini enjoy a homoerotic exhibit—an immense statue of two naked muscular men holding hands. (For decency's sake, Power of Prophecy has blackened out the genital area of one of the naked men pictured)

The Pink Swastika

Hitler, Nazi founder, was similarly a sex pervert. As Chancellor, he carried on sexually with his 15-year-old niece, who killed herself rather than continue giving in to his bizarre and beastly sexual fetishes. As a young Bohemian streetwalker and "starving artist," the man who later would rule most of Europe sold his body to gay men.

Hitler is noted as a fanatical fan of Wagnerian operas. Less known is the fact that before he rose to become the Fuhrer, in the 1920s, Hitler sexually abused Richard Wagner's grandson, Wieland Wagner (Time magazine, August 15, 1994, p. 56).

Hitler, of course, was catapulted to power largely by the Brown Shirts (SA), a fascist youth organization led by and composed primarily of "butch" type homosexual militarists. The head of the thuggish Brown Shirts was Ernst Roehm, who was a notorious molester of young boys. Roehm was executed by Hitler after his sexual excesses became widely known.

As Scott Lively writes in his revealing book, The Pink Swastika-Homosexuality and the Nazi Party, "Homosexuals are the perfect foot soldiers for the devil."

Interestingly, Hitler and his henchmen intensely disliked feminine gay men, even sent many to concentration camps. The Nazis preferred masculine, butch, soldier-types-like Field Marshall Reinhard Heydrich-willing to take orders. On the other hand, in Soviet Russia, the Communists and Bolsheviks favored gay Jews with female traits and affectations.

Religious Sodomites are Legion

Religious fakes who are sodomites predominate. Jim Bakker, PTL televangelist disgraced and defrocked for sexually abusing church secretary Jessica Hahn, actually preferred young boys. He frequently had young homo staffers go swimming nude with he and his top aides. Like Bakker, Assembly of God television preacher Jimmy Swaggert also was a sexual deviant-reportedly into porno literature, trampy prostitutes, etc. He stayed away from real sex with real women-desired bizarre acts.

Satan loves to debauch religious charlatans. A headline in The Houston Chronicle newspaper, page one of its May 9, 1999 issue, trumpeted, "Mormons Caught up in Wave of Pedophile Accusations." In fact, Power of Prophecy has received startling information about satanic rituals and pedophile Mormon elders in the so-called Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (LDS). No Wonder! Joseph Smith and Brigham Young, Mormon founders, took numerous wives, and Smith was an occultist and sexual pervert of the highest order, as even many of his biographers confess.

Legions of Catholic priests are now recognized as plunderers of little boys. It is estimated that at least 80 percent of all Catholic priests are queers, and most nuns are lesbians! Father Ritter, the priest who founded Covenant House, a New York City shelter, to "help" homeless teens, was discovered to be molesting his charges. At Boys Town, the famous Catholic boys' orphanage founded by Father Flanagan (played by actor Spencer Tracy in the classic movie), a scandal recently broke when it got out that little boys were being passed around by priests to local gay politicians.

Some orphans from Omaha's Boys Town were even flown to Washington, D.C. for sex parties with top-level Republican Party chieftains. You can read about this in John Van De Camp's shocking exposé, The Franklin Cover-up (available from Power of Prophecy, $15, book order-line 800-234-9673).

Religious cultist Jim Jones, who, the controlled news media alleged, induced hundreds of his followers to commit mass suicide in Guyana by drinking poisoned Kool-Aid (actually, most were murdered—but that's another story) was both a Communist and a vile homosexual. Jim Jones was also a leading Democratic Party boss in California and a loyal initiate of the Masonic Lodge. The filthy Reverend Jones had his choice of boys, girls, and grown-ups among his "congregation" as sex partners.

David Koresh of Branch Davidian infamy had a taste for young girls and other men's wives, claiming that, as the Messiah, he had a perfect right. Strangely, Koresh was murdered at the behest of Janet Reno, a butch lesbian; FBI Director Louis Freeh, a member of the reportedly homosexual-oriented Opus Dei Catholic secret society; and Hillary Clinton, a flaming, lesbian activist.

Bill Clinton and other Homosexual Masons

President Bill Clinton became famous for the Monica Lewinsky affair. But actually, Bill Clinton never had conventional sexual relations with the young Jewish woman. Clinton enjoys kinky perversion and it is well known in some circles that old Bill is bisexual. Indeed, Clinton is a woman-hater, and documented evidence proves he has brutally raped at least two women.

One report says that Bill Clinton and a former pal, Arkansas Governor, Winthrop Rockefeller, had a fling. Winthrop, of the monied Rockefeller family, was well known as a homosexual. It is also possible that Clinton was himself abused and molested as a youthful member of the Masonic Lodge's DeMolay organization.

Albert Pike, the 19th century occultist who, as Masonry's Sovereign Grand Commander, created its rituals for the 33 degrees of the craft, was himself a notorious sodomite. Albert Pike

Albert Pike

"Cuomo the Homo"

Political networks of both political parties are eaten up by gay men. Former New York Governor Mario Cuomo, a Democrat, has been labeled "Cuomo the Homo." New York's former Mayor, Rudy Giuliani, a Republican, has been known to dress up as a woman transvestite.

The Mayor also carried on an open affair with a female assistant. And when Giuliani and his wife separated, the Mayor moved in with two gay male friends. He now resides in the Manhattan apartment the gay couple share.

Rudia

New York's Mayor Rudolph Giuliani performed on stage as "Rudia," transvestite, at the annual Inner Circle banquet for the elite. Giuliani now lives in an apartment with two homosexual men but has a female lover. Time magazine named Giuliani its "Person of the Year" for 2001.

Indeed, according to The New York Times, the Mayor actually performed in female attire, posing as "Rudia the Transvestite" at a nightclub. The occasion: The annual "Inner Circle" show.

The late Senator and Vice-President Hubert Humphrey often frolicked about nude in the YMCA swimming pool in Minneapolis. President Lyndon B. Johnson skinny-dipped with male friends, including evangelist Billy Graham and his Vice President, Hubert. In fact, the "Y" is a popular meeting place for homo politicians and religious bigwigs. The gay disco group, The Village People, in coded language revealed such wicked goings on in their national hit record tune, Y-M-C-A!

The Republicans even have a sodomite lobby group, which calls itself the Log Cabin Republicans. Senator Bob Dole heavily pandered to these "conservative" queers during his presidential campaign.

Same Sex Marriages

This year the Mayor of San Francisco, California broke the law by issuing Same Sex marriage licenses to homosexual couples at City Hall and performing marriages. Among those who practice perversion to get “married” were celebrity Rosie O’Donnell and her lesbian girlfriend. Rosie attacked President Bush right after the ceremony stating that they performed this so-called “marriage” as an act of defiance against President Bush and those who oppose the homosexual agenda.

Well thank God the California State Supreme Court ruled that the Mayor overstepped his boundaries. The California State Supreme Court further annulled all 4000 homosexual marriages that were performed including Rosie’s, deeming them illegal, null and void! Chalk one up for our side!

Has this stopped the homosexual agenda? Not on your life. The Democratic Party nation wide is endorsing Same Sex marriages and helping to push the homosexual agenda through the legal system.

Sadly many Christians support Same Sex Marriages either by openly supporting this travesty or remaining silent and refusing to get involved. Silence means approval in this case.

You cannot call yourself a Christian and be a supporter of Same Sex Marriages. It is against the word of God to support any homosexual agenda. The bible says it is sin period. Leviticus 18:22 22 "`Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable." Leviticus 20:13. "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 9 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

Romans 1:25-27 25 They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator-- who is forever praised. Amen. 26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.

Genesis 19:1-29 says God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah because of homosexuality. It stinks in the nostrils of God. Genesis 13:13 identify the men of Sodom as exceedingly wicked sinners. Genesis 18:20 says that the sin of Sodom is "very grievous." Genesis 18:23 adds emphasis to the portrayal of the inhabitants of Sodom as "wicked." Genesis 18:24-33 shows that God could not find even 10 righteous souls in Sodom. The perverts who inhabited Sodom, even wanted to rape God's Angels who had come to Sodom to rescue Lot.

It is clear. The same sex marriage agenda is against God, and is SIN, and that my friend is the bottom-line because the Word of Our Most Holy God says so.

The homosexual agenda not only includes Same Sex Marriage but they have successfully pushed forward their lifestyles to the public over the television sets conditioning the public to accept their perversion and depravity. TV shows like “Will and Grace”, “Queer Eye For The Straight Guy”, “The L Word”, “Queer Folks”, MTV Videos, and even cartoons such as “The Simpsons”, and “Southpark” portray Christians who take a stand against homosexuality as evil, hateful, and wacky, while portraying the homosexual lifestyle as normal. As if there wasn’t enough shows on TV promoting homosexuality, MTV is preparing to launch a “24-Hour All-Gay All Day Channel” which will include programming geared at teaching kids that it is cool to be a homosexual and perfectly normal. They will even include a homosexual dating game. Now I am going to have to be a little crude here, but parents need to know about this so they can keep their kids from watching these shows. As if Jerry Springer wasn’t enough, with promoting homosexuality in just about every show whipping the audience into a frenzy as they scream and yell, “We Love Lesbians” while girls get naked and lick all over each other right in front of a nationwide live audience! Springer features homosexual sodomites that kiss and fondle each other while the audience cheers them on. Parents, Jerry Springer is shown in many states around 3-4pm in the afternoon, so you should know that might be what your kids are watching when they get home from school. Now they will have the 24-Hour All Gay All Day Channel to look at also! Your kids also are subjected to singers who promote the homosexual lifestyle such as open lesbian singers Tatu, Melissa Etheridge, and K.D. Lang, along with open bisexual Satan worshipper Marilyn Manson who encourages homosexuality among children.

Once upon a time in America, we used to have a thing called morality and laws that protected the children and the average family. One could be arrested for indecent exposure in America, but now it is not uncommon to drive down the streets of LA or New York City and see some homosexual doing ungodly things to his buddy right there on the corner. The police turn a blind eye to this and I am sure in places like California some cops would gladly join in disgusting episodes of sodomy.

In the 1970’s Anita Bryant took a stand for decency and morality standing up and speaking out against the homosexual agenda. For her efforts, she was rewarded with being abandoned by the Christian churches across the Nation and ultimately suffered a divorce when the homosexuals began to make phone calls to the churches she was speaking at threatening to blow them up. The churches decided to give in to this terrorist tactic and abandon Anita. Then in the 1980’s Pastor Jerry Falwell took a stand against the homosexual agenda and many leading pastors and churches also ostracized him across the country as being a little too political and getting off focus of preaching the gospel. As a result the churches joined in with the liberal media in labeling Falwell as a hatemonger. Well today, churches are getting to reap what they have sown. Galatians 6:7 "Be not deceived, God is not mocked; for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.".

Gary Condit, Satanism, and Homosexuality

The Democrats don't need an exclusive special homo group. Almost all active Democratic Party political professionals are bisexual and gay. Those who aren't are into other weird, abnormal sexual behavior—satanic sex bondage rituals, etc.

Congressman Gary Condit, suspected of having something to do with the disappearance of intern Chandra Levy, is known in the Washington, D.C. gay community as a bisexual into major sexual deviance.

Butch

A "butch" type homosexual shows off at a "Gay Pride" demonstration. Reportedly, Congressman Gary Condit also wears leather and homo-fascist garb when in bed in threesomes with men and women.

Condit reportedly dresses up in leather and chains, practices satanic bondage, and has had multiple male sex partners. Condit, an owner of a Harley Davidson motorcycle, is also a regular at Hell's Angels biker parties, especially when "butch" male homo bikers are throwing a shindig. Yet, Condit enjoys degrading and despoiling young women, too. Clintonesque, isn't he?

Remember Senator Paul Tsongas, the Massachusetts Democrat who ran for President and was so beloved by the media? Well, as The Washington Post newspaper (2/4/92) noted, the gay Mr. Tsongas had quite a stable of homo pals. He was noted for lustfully staring at young men's bodies, and the newspaper remarked that, "No one sat around the pool when Paul Tsongas was there."

Massachusetts Democrat Congressman Barney Frank (whom a Texas Republican congressman once called "Barney Fag") and his live-in male lover were discovered several years ago running a homosexual prostitution ring out of Frank's home. An attempt in the House of Representatives to censor Frank for his criminal misconduct fell flat when Republican leader Newt Gingrich came to his rescue. House Speaker Gingrich later resigned after it was about to come out that he was cheating on his wife with a female member of his own congressional staff. Gingrich warmly praised homosexuals in Congress for their "courage in running for office."

Homosexuality A "Wonderful Thing"—Al Gore

Former Vice President Al Gore and his wife, Tipper, also were big backers of queers and sodomites. In June 2000, Al and Tipper threw a party in their home for 150 brazen homos. Gore gushingly told the group, "It's a wonderful thing to do what you are doing… It's an outgrowth of the way you live your entire lives."

Say what, Al? Are you kidding us? Homos are the ominous bringers of AIDS, a variety of other sexual diseases, wide-ranging child abuse and molestation, and sundry other evils-and you say that's a "wonderful thing?"

Recently, some 600 homosexual congressmen and politicians threw another wild party, this time inside a certain federal building in Washington, D.C. Security guards were led to vomit at what they saw going on inside and even outside, on the grounds. You may be interested in knowing that among the "proud" sponsors of this disgusting homo-sex gala were wealthy corporations such as American Airlines, Snapple beverages, Miller Lite beer, Starbucks coffee, and Ben and Jerry's ice cream.

Gay Jews and Hollywood

Jewish rabbis and intellectuals are into homosexuality in a big way. James Klugman, British Communist Party leader; U.S. Supreme Court Justice Stephen Breyer; wealthy socialist Victor Rothschild; and British economist John Maynard Keynes come to mind. The ADL, ACLU, and Southern Poverty Law Center are Jewish organizations noted both for their antichrist liberal views and the perverted sexual orientation of some of their leaders.

Jewish rabbis are frequently in the news, with charges of child molestation highlighted. Meanwhile, Jews virtually run the entire inter-national porn industry. Even Jerusalem World Report, a prominent Jewish publication, has admitted that the kingpins of the "ecstasy" drug trade are Jews based in Israel.

Michael Eisner, a Jew and head of Disney Corporation, is actively pushing the gay agenda, as are most other Hollywood moguls—almost all of whom are Jewish. Sodomite Tom Schumaker was chosen by Disney to be executive producer of the kids movie, The Lion King. Homosexual singer Elton John was chosen to do the music score for the movie. Schumaker brags that Disney is actively recruiting homosexuals and that already, "There are a lot of gay people at every level" in the company.

Sharon Stone

Actress Sharon Stone said she relished her role in one film as a masculine lesbian lover.

Hollywood has long been much more gay than traditional America has known. The Christ-hating Jews that run the movie industry have always gotten their kicks from secretly pushing homosexual actors and actresses into leading roles as "romantic" leads. Katherine Hepburn was a lesbian deceptively dressed up as a lover of men like Spencer Tracy. Lesbian actress Marlene Dietrich pranced about in male suits with pants and yet the movie audiences were led to believe she was "All Woman." Male stars like comedian Danny Kaye and British actor Laurence Olivier were lovers, and comedian Jack Benny was queer as a three-dollar bill.

Pedophile Criminals Evade Punishment

In places like Hollywood and San Francisco, homosexual crime is rampant and never do the police intervene. Pedophile black singer Michael Jackson molests little boys and jokes are made—but no arrest. Little boys are molested at gay masquerade balls, and police look the other way. Corrupt Congressmen back in Washington know, but they are too busy running their own sex rings to care. Washington, D.C. is a place where homosexual masked men and women cavort in secret places—mansions, federal building auditoriums, military installations, and so forth. In November of 2003 Jackson was arrested on allegations of molesting several young boys at his Neverland Ranch in California. He was released the next day on $3,000,000 bond to go back to Las Vegas to finish a music video. Unbelievably, authorities said they didn't want to bring any official charges until after the Thanksgiving Day holiday (in spite of concrete testimony from one of the young victims and evidence found at the ranch). So they just let him go free in public!

Michael Jackson then! Michael Jackson Today!

Rock Music Stars

Heavy metal rock music stars are predominantly homosexual. That's the reason for the leather garb, the satanic tattoos, the long hair, and the transvestite make-up and appearance. Perhaps the top rock idol of all time, Mick Jagger of the Rolling Stones group, is a sick bisexual. In her autobiography, Marianne Faithful wrote that, while in bed with her, Mick Jagger said, "If Keith (a member of his band) were here right now, I'd lick him all over."

And some Christian parents allow their kids to listen to the music of these addle-brained homo sickos!

Michael Jackson

Singer/entertainer Michael Jackson reportedly molested little boys, then paid their parents hush money. Police and law enforcement looked the other way.

Sodomite Freddie Mercury of the rock band, Queen, died of AIDS at only 46 years of age. He reportedly had homosexual lovers all over the world.

Mick Jagger

Moral reprobate Mick Jagger, initiated into the Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame, has talked openly about how much he enjoys performing sex acts on other men.

Sodomites Madonna and Britney Spears. The Bible expressly forbids such homosexual activities.

Sodomites Madonna and Britney Spears

Left: Tolerant Americans have made lesbian activist, comedian Rosie O'Donnell, a rich and famous entertainer. O'Donnell and her homosexual partner were allowed by Florida to adopt a child. She is pictured here off-stage with Britain's Boy George, a popular actor and singer who starred in a Broadway production, Taboo.

Above: Tammy Faye Messner (formerly Tammy Faye Bakker of PTL fame) recently helped host a "drag bingo" fund-raising event to generate money for homosexual causes. Tammy Faye reportedly had lesbian sex with another "Christian" woman while married to her TV evangelist husband, Jim Bakker. (Note: Jim Bakker was himself a notorious closet homosexual.) (Photo: The Herald Sun, Jan. 6, 2004)

Left: The Episcopal Church recently elevated a gay activist, the "Reverend" Gene Robinson, to the high position of Bishop. Robinson earlier had abandoned his wife and children and began shacking up with a homosexual lover. The Episcopal Church had no problem with his behavior and declared him a "man of God." (Photo: Newsweek, Nov. 17, 2003)

Serial Killers are Homosexuals

However, if you really want to know to what depths of degradation the homosexual lifestyle takes people, all you need to do is study the inner lives of the world's most dangerous criminals—serial killers. In his book, Violence and Homosexuality, Dr. Paul Cameron noted that the top serial killers were all homosexual: "The nexus between homosexuality and violence is notorious. We have motorcycle gangs, black leather boys and rough trade addicted to chains, torture, slaves, and sadism. Hitler rose on the backs of "Storm Troopers" led from the top by a gang of homosexuals headed by Ernst Roehm."

According to the Associated Press, as reported in Christian News newspaper (July 23, 2001 p. 3), the seven worst serial killers in the U.S.A. were all homosexual deviates:

o Donald Harvey - 37 murders o John Wayne Gacy - 33 murders o Patrick Kearney - 32 murders o Bruce Davis - 28 murders o Dean Corll, Elmer Wayne Henley, and David Owen Brooks - 27 murders

The monstrous conduct of these homo killers is almost beyond belief. John Wayne Gacy, the sadistic torturer and raper of 33 boys, dressed up as a circus clown to attract victims. "A clown can get away with murder," Gacy once boasted.

Jeffrey Dahmer, who was a satanist and a cannibal, homosexually raped and killed 17 boys and young men after slipping "knockout" pills in their drinks. He attempted to keep some alive as sex zombies, but they, too, died from his fiendish brain operations.

Mormons caught up in wave of pedophile accusations Catholic priests are not the only religious leaders molesting children today, as evidenced by this newspaper headline in the Houston Chronicle.

Why is it the controlled mass media never tells America these savage serial murderers are always homosexuals? Why do CBS, ABC, NBC, and all the others cover-up and consistently paint gays as gentle, loving, caring, and compassionate humanitarians? Is it not because most of the TV and news executives and broadcasters are themselves homosexual, bisexual perverts and weirdos?

The case of homo serial killer Andrew Cunanan is interesting in that most of Cunanan's victims were themselves gay men. Among the five men he killed in a cross-country spree was wealthy fashion designer Gianni Versace. Time magazine (April 5, 1999) commented that Cunanan was "a gregarious, wildly clever mythomaniac and petty thief in the kinky gay netherworld of alcohol, drugs, prostitution, and sadomasochism." Andrew Cunanan's torrent of death ended in 1997 in Miami Beach with the demon-possessed homosexual taking his own life.

Reliable sources tell us that Andrew Cunanan's rage was triggered when he was horribly abused at a Chicago mansion during a homo-satanic ritual at a gay "masquerade ball." Cunanan, a handsome but confused young man in his 20s, had been used as a sexual gigolo by an inner circle of rich, gay Illuminati adepts—he was passed around and used up like a mildewed sack of potatoes. Gianni Versace, a billionaire who had singer Elton John as one of the frequent live-ins at his luxurious residence, was reputed to be a figure in this inner circle of kinky Illuminist homosexuals.

Why are homosexuals almost uniformly so corrupt, evil, and wicked? The truth is that such men (and women) have spiritually been turned over to Satan. The scriptures declare that the grievous and damaging sin of homosexuality leads one straight to a reprobate mind. The world applauds and rewards the homosexual, but God brands this conduct as "vile," "unclean," "unnatural" (Romans 1:24-32) and an "abomination" (Leviticus 18:22; Deuteronomy 23:17-18; I Kings 14:24).

Thomas Jefferson- "Castrate Homosexuals!"

Thomas Jefferson, one of our nation's illustrious founders, was not, history records, a strong biblical Christian. Yet, as Governor of Virginia, in 1779 Jefferson introduced bills to punish homosexual sodomy with the penalty being banishment and castration. There is no record that anyone at the time accused Mr. Jefferson of bigotry or hatred. Americans back then were a great degree wiser than they are today.

Bill Clinton & Paul Tsongas

Then Arkansas Governor Bill Clinton and U.S. Senator Paul Tsongas (D-Mass) were Democratic presidential candidates in 1992. Like many other Democratic politicians, both were bisexual.

Today, no politician, no king, no man admired by the public dares to declare the homosexual what he is: a "sinful reprobate." If they were to do so, their heads would, figuratively, be immediately lopped off by the media, and their careers and reputations destroyed. However, the biblical Christian has no option but to tell the truth—that homosexuality is a vile abomination, for God Almighty has declared it. And who among all the world's powerful and famous can reasonably criticize His commandments? Who is so foolish as to even attempt to annul His decision?

Clinton Featured at http://www.gayheroes.com

"I am proud of the part that my Administration has played to achieve these goals. Today, more openly gay and lesbian individuals serve in senior posts throughout the Federal Government than during any other Administration." -President Bill Clinton, June 2nd, 2000

SEE I TOLD YOU SO

For years I have been warning the public about Hillary Clinton's penchant for lesbian proclivities; a precursor to her sadistic megalomaniac behaviors.

Now, after many years of public apprehension the controversy has been confirmed by insider sources and will soon be revealed to the public.

According to a published article in the March 28 issue of a prominent magazine the "GLOBE," "reliable sources will soon release a shocking list of Hillary's lesbian lovers from the past and including the present." According to reliable sources the list includes:

* A beauty in her early 30s who often travels with Hillary. * A popular TV and movie star. * The daughter of a top government official. * A stunning model who got a career boost after sleeping with Hillary. * President Clinton's former lover, Gennifer Flowers writes in her book "Passion & Betrayal" of Bill confessing to her that Hillary sleeps with more woman than he does. * The famous commentator Jack Wheeler writes: "My sources indicate that Hillary is bisexual and fools around more than her husband." He also credits Hillary for being the force behind the "White House's homosexual agenda." * According to the insiders report, Hillary had sex with women during her college days at Wellesly College.

SO NOW YOU KNOW THE REST OF THE STORY

President Clinton's former mistress Gennifer Flowers (left) claims Bill told her Hillary was a lesbian. Rumors have swirled about Hillary's relationship with cabinet member Donna Shalala (center) and New York Lawyer Susan Thomases.

A show of hands: Hillary signals her support of gay rights at a rally in New York. 'My sources indicate Hillary is bisexual and fools around much more than her husband'

-Political Commentator Jack Wheeler

Will Hillary be the first female president? Many think so. If so, will she announce to the world that she is a homosexual lesbian after securing the Office of President? The reality of such wickedness is upon America today. Expect a pack of lies from Senator Clinton if she does run for the Presidency. FOX News has already by trying to whitewash Hillary by claiming that she's actually starting to move towards the "right" concerning abortion and other issues. Don't you believe it! Hillary is as left as they come, a Jezebel in disguise. --FOCUS--

When trying to dissertate the imposing lesbian threat to our culture, the most frustrating conundrum I face is persuading heterosexuals not to-do not focus one's attention and displeasure with their sex acts. Surprising as it may seem, this one short-fall is the Trojan-horse for the lesbian takeover. This is exactly their weasel: To keep the heterosexual mind in shock about their sex acts and all the while slithering their way into high government positions, court systems, universities and large private corporations. (stealing billions along the way) For this very reason, I urge the reader to not fall into their "smoke and mirror" trap; but, concentrate on how Hillary's lesbian addiction propels her mental psychoses into rage and hatred against the American people and even herself. A factor of grave concern, making Hillary and Janet Reno the two most dangerous persons on the face of this earth.

No...You don't know the rest of the story, but stay tuned on how her "evil empire" intends to overthrow America... However, foremost and above all , start asking questions, it's your duty to God.

Steve Lashuk

Hillary Gets Gay Endorsements

The Associated Press - Thursday July 27, 2000

NEW YORK (AP) - Hillary Rodham Clinton's Senate campaign won the endorsement of two gay advocacy organizations Thursday, the Empire State Pride Agenda and the Washington-based Human Rights Campaign.

"Mrs. Clinton is the clear leader on every single issue of importance to the lesbian and gay community," said Tim Sweeney of the Empire State Pride Agenda during a news conference on the steps of City Hall.

Clinton was cited for her support of civil unions providing legal recognition for gay couples; for favoring homosexuals being allowed to serve openly in the military; for supporting laws against hate-crimes; and for backing abortion rights.

Another organization, Housing Works, which provides housing for homeless people with AIDS, defended Lazio, pointing out his support for funding for housing and jobs for AIDS patients. "Lazio has real achievements in the area of HIV/AIDS," the group said.

END

"Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them."

-Romans 1:24-32

God help us!

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#22. To: A K A Stone (#0)

Homosexuality Is A Sin!

I can understand if they were sucked into it, but what if they were born that way?

82Marine89  posted on  2005-11-23   22:43:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#132. To: 82Marine89 (#22)

"...what if they were born that way?"

If it's genetic, how is the gene passed to the next generation?

wakeup  posted on  2005-11-26   0:53:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#133. To: wakeup (#132)

If it's genetic, how is the gene passed to the next generation?

Why do I have black hair and olive skin while my brother and four sisters are fair haired and fair skinned? Genetics?

82Marine89  posted on  2005-11-26   1:59:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#152. To: 82Marine89 (#133)

"If it's genetic, how is the gene passed to the next generation?"

(response) "Why do I have black hair and olive skin while my brother and four sisters are fair haired and fair skinned? Genetics?"

Allow me to clarify. Homosexuals do not reproduce and create offspring. How is the gene passed to the next generation if there are no children?

wakeup  posted on  2005-11-26   13:03:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#158. To: wakeup (#152)

Homosexuals do not reproduce and create offspring.

I will tell folks I know who are homosexual and did just that you think they don't reproduce. Their kids will find it hilarious that they don't exist.

mirage  posted on  2005-11-26   16:17:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#160. To: mirage (#158)

Homosexuals do not reproduce and create offspring.

Read carefully what he said bigot. There is an "s" at the end. So he is correct. Homos don't reproduce.

A K A Stone  posted on  2005-11-26   17:44:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#161. To: A K A Stone (#160)

Read carefully what he said bigot. There is an "s" at the end. So he is correct. Homos don't reproduce.

Bigot? Excuse me? You owe me an apology.

Well, I've seen kids who are proof that said people do. I don't know where you've been.

mirage  posted on  2005-11-26   18:40:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#169. To: mirage (#161)

Bigot? Excuse me? You owe me an apology.

Well you sometimes come across as an anti christian one.

A K A Stone  posted on  2005-11-26   19:01:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#224. To: A K A Stone (#169)

Well you sometimes come across as an anti christian one.

And you appear to hate gays, Catholics, or anyone who disagrees with your doctrinal stance. What was that about motes and beams?

I just despise hypocrisy and ignorance and where I see it, I attempt to correct it. If that makes me a bigot, so be it. If "Christians" are as ignorant of history and the multiple facets and denominations within their own religion as they are showing, then they deserve to be rebuked and corrected.

mirage  posted on  2005-11-26   20:32:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#232. To: mirage (#224)

And you appear to hate gays, Catholics, or anyone who disagrees with your doctrinal stance. What was that about motes and beams?

No I don't hate them. I love everyone.

A K A Stone  posted on  2005-11-26   20:46:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#392. To: A K A Stone (#232)

No I don't hate them. I love everyone.

Then why do you condemn them? That isn't loving them.

Besides, how can you claim that the Catholic Church "perverted" Scripture when you use what they left to you? Doesn't your statement also say that you use "perverted" Scripture?

How can you go after and lie about homosexuals and not expect a counter-attack? You don't have a monopoly on bad behavior and people are getting sick of being ordered around by a bunch of fundies. Its your religion, its your rules. You live with it and YOU go to hell.

See, bashing without providing anything to back it up (remember, I deal only in facts) makes you and your group look like a pack of idiots. Is it any wonder that people take you to task over such things?

mirage  posted on  2005-11-27   17:19:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#393. To: mirage (#392)

Its your religion, its your rules. You live with it and YOU go to hell.

I don't know why you're getting upset. As far as I can tell nobody bashed gay people. The article just said that homosexuality is a sin. That is not bashing homosexuals IMO anyway.

maybe go over to this thread here with url below. Join the Marines - get naked and frolic with other men - have fun.

http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=15574

But I highlighted this quote above to make a serious point. You have free will, our creator gave us free will - says so in the bible. you can choose the life god serves up to you - or you can reject it - your choice. This is a choice for all of us to make.

I mean if you don't want to believe in the things the bible says, then why do you get upset that others do? Can't you just disagree? You feel very strongly that a choice of a man to be a homosexual is a legitimate choice, but if a person takes seriously the bible, then you say that is an illegitimate choice to believe in the bible - otherwise you wouldn't be upset at the simple asssertion that homosexuality is a sin.

or maybe you think it is OK for people to take the bible seriously, but illegitimate if they speak about it?

Red Jones  posted on  2005-11-27   17:42:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#436. To: Red Jones (#393)

or maybe you think it is OK for people to take the bible seriously, but illegitimate if they speak about it?

Not at all, if they realize that it is for them and it is not their right to impose their beliefs on everyone else.

It is illegitimate for people to speak about it *when* they don't know their own religion well enough to be able to speak honestly and truthfully about it. Most people who take things very seriously don't know the history of their own religion, where they got it from, or anything else. Thus, they are so ill-informed that they actually have no right to claim authority, yet they do. This I know from experience. Most apologetic arguments that people are using are so flimsy that even Barnum would have shied away from them. They may convince people with weak analytical skills, but mostly, they are smoke, mirrors, and BS.

Therein lies the problem. Most people who take things far too seriously are so ill-informed that they simply wind up looking like idiots. Is that a good thing? Does that do any good or does it make them, their sect, and their beliefs look utterly silly? Does going out and complaining about a particular group of people and then being shocked when that group launches a counterattack make them look intelligent or stupid?

Most so-called Christians don't have the knowledge they need to speak intelligently about their beliefs. What I've been doing is challenging the knowledge holes. Nothing wrong with that; it exposes that they don't know enough to be able to claim authority.

mirage  posted on  2005-11-28   12:08:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#437. To: mirage (#436)

if they realize that it is for them and it is not their right to impose their beliefs on everyone else.

nobody's imposing anything. you have free will. you can believe what you want. merely stating your beliefs is not imposing your beliefs on others. it is ridiculous to think so.

Red Jones  posted on  2005-11-28   12:13:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#442. To: Red Jones (#437)

nobody's imposing anything. you have free will. you can believe what you want. merely stating your beliefs is not imposing your beliefs on others. it is ridiculous to think so.

I disagree completely but I will qualify why I say this.

You are forthright in your beliefs and you make this statement. Others - most others - do not. They do not acknowledge that their way of doing things isn't for everyone and rather insist that people adopt their viewpoint. They can be quite persistant and even violent in attempting to do that.

This is the "Agree with me or burn in hell" approach that makes such people look like complete and utter morons and paints a picture of Fundamentalist Christians that they are absolute lunatics.

Once a person comes out and says "Agree with me or burn in hell" or, as I've seen here locally, Fundies hanging out in parish parking lots shouting and throwing things at the Catholics, then screaming "I'm so persecuted!" when they are hauled off - is this an attempt at imposition or is it acknowledging reality that people have free will? Is following a person around screaming obscenities at them because they do NOT want to deal with their little cult "stating your beliefs" or is it an attempt to impose them on others? Is out-and-out lying to people acceptable or does it demand a response? Is an attempt to rewrite history in order to promote a particular viewpoint honest or should it be responded to?

Is painting "BURN IN HELL" on the garage of a homosexual person "stating your beliefs" or is it harassment and (depending on the group) thinly veiled terrorism? Is putting a homosexual person in the hospital "stating your beliefs" or is it a criminal act? Is shooting a medical professional "stating your beliefs" or is it murder?

You'll probably note that I tend to stick to history because it is pretty much undebatable. Things happen at certain times, there are records, etc. There are people on this very system posting who think that the Russian Orthodox Church popped up before the Church in Jersusalem. There are others who think that the Catholics eat babies. There are some so-called Protestants who can't even articulate what it is they are protesting. This isn't hard stuff to deal with.

What do you think a proper response is? Mine is to attempt to educate people. What should I do? Fight fire with fire or try to deal with it in a more rational manner?

mirage  posted on  2005-11-28   13:24:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#443. To: mirage (#442)

What do you think a proper response is? Mine is to attempt to educate people. What should I do? Fight fire with fire or try to deal with it in a more rational manner?

in an effort to answer these questions - all I can tell you is that if you're frustrated with some of the christians, then I don't blame you - I'm frustrated wtih them also. the other thing I can tell you is that I wish I had extreme knowledge of the bible and unlimited patience and ability to focus my mind so that I could better teach and show people.

I think the majority of organized christian churches are discredited. I think no demographic group supports this war and supports bush more than the preachers who get paid to preach by organized churches. the bible says very bad things about the preachers in the end-times who run churches for money. This discredits that whole group in my mind and in many minds.

I still hold the line on the bible and think that it is word of god. this is god's weapon, his words. we should get to know it. I am remiss in not knowing it as well as I should.

but I feel sorry for people who (like Christine described) may have biological reasons that drive them towards sexual irregularities like homosexuality. I don't think the world's a better place for campaigning against them and blaming them or scapegoating them.

Red Jones  posted on  2005-11-28   13:39:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#444. To: Red Jones (#443)

but I feel sorry for people who (like Christine described) may have biological reasons that drive them towards sexual irregularities like homosexuality. I don't think the world's a better place for campaigning against them and blaming them or scapegoating them.

Don't be surprised, but I have some cousins who fall into that camp. I've spoken to their analysts and done a LOT of research into it. Also lived in the Bay Area for a decade and one can't help but notice - things - there and that makes one curious so I went and researched it.

Christine is right. Current research is leading toward hormone problems and other things beyond the individual's control. Since I've been afflicted with having to deal with Fundies for the last 20 years or so, I've grown an encyclopediac knowledge of the Bible and can actually deal with them on that level. I know the history, I know the various theologies, and other stuff. I spent a lot of time helping friends and relatives deal with things and try to use "the right method for the right situation with the right person" - but its all based on the same knowledge base. Its just getting people to be able to deal with things and be able to fend off morons quickly.

Calvinism is a good weapon to use when confronting said people. If we're all God's Children, and certain things (according to the Bible at least) were fore-ordained, and, as was said in Genesis, after the creation, God said "It is good" - and we know that homosexuals have been around forever - then *my* way of explaining it is this:

Let them be unless they get in your face. Practice the Golden Rule, because it certainly works faithfully in reverse as well. Get to understand them as you wish them to understand you.

There is not a *single* homosexual person I know who *likes* being gay. All of them have terrible problems, but, have eventually had to accept that this is how they were made.

If one looks at Paul, one has to note that Paul was a Pharisee, which means he wanted a strict adherence to certain things. Paul was pretty much unable to see past his own food dish in a number of areas and one has to take that into account when reading his letters. God did not write the Bible; men wrote the Bible. When Paul says "I, Paul, say..." then you have a clear indication that Paul is speaking for himself.

Now, if we're all God's Children, and God "knew them in the womb" then God made them gay! I can cite dozens of "the plan from the beginning" verses to back that up as well.

There are also a lot of forgeries and edits in the NT as well as a lot of clear contradictions, nonquotes, misquotes, and other issues. My way of dealing with it is to say this:

The Bible is 100% true in that it teaches religious truth. All other items (including interpretation) are debatable and it is not to be taken literally or as being 100% scientific or historically accurate.

I stand on that.

You will note that I say "so-called Christian" a lot. That means that there are a lot of people who think they are Christians but aren't. They don't get it. There are very few people who actually understand the history of Christianity, the times it grew up in, how it evolved, etc.

I think the majority of Christian Churches and Preachers are only in business to stay in business and perpetuate themselves. I also think that while the Catholic Church rightfully is criticized for many things, they're the best of the lot simply because they *learn* from their goofs and, as my family has done, you can challenge them and back them off when they are in the wrong. No "Bible Church" would ever let you do that.

As for end-times, that gets into a discussion of history and what people were thinking at the time. Quick summary: The "end-times" have been here since 29AD or so. I do not believe they are coming. I can give you a list of items if you want to look into it yourself; I'll send that in a private message if you like.

That being said, I am basically an agnostic who thinks that Christianity has a lot to offer, but people are completely misusing and misreading it. I had to leave and look at things from the outside to really understand it.

mirage  posted on  2005-11-28   14:00:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#447. To: mirage (#444)

As for end-times, that gets into a discussion of history and what people were thinking at the time. Quick summary: The "end-times" have been here since 29AD or so. I do not believe they are coming. I can give you a list of items if you want to look into it yourself; I'll send that in a private message if you like.

Actually sooner.. what Jesus was referencing was the end of the old covenant not the end of the world.

Zipporah  posted on  2005-11-28   15:11:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#448. To: Zipporah (#447)

Actually sooner.. what Jesus was referencing was the end of the old covenant not the end of the world.

That is very possible.

Or it can be taken as "apocalype = end of evil" as folks in the first century took it. There are a lot of interpretations and reinterpretations and such out there. Personally, I *much prefer* to dig into history and align with what people were thinking at the time as much as is possible.

One has to take Revelation into account as well as some oddball Gospel predictions that either didn't come to pass as expected or are just goofy and try to make sense of it. The second coming didn't happen "in glory" during the lifetime of the apostles as foretold. Paul was expecting it and had to re-assure followers that it would - eventually - happen.

It didn't happen as was expected, but that hasn't kept people from trying to plot it out or cry "rapture!" which isn't likely to happen either, even if you take things very seriously.

Hmmm, maybe I should post my research openly and open it for debate. What do you think?

mirage  posted on  2005-11-28   15:45:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#450. To: mirage (#448)

One has to take Revelation into account as well as some oddball Gospel predictions that either didn't come to pass as expected or are just goofy and try to make sense of it. The second coming didn't happen "in glory" during the lifetime of the apostles as foretold.

Thats not true. Chapter and verse please.

A K A Stone  posted on  2005-11-28   17:36:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#452. To: A K A Stone (#450)

Thats not true. Chapter and verse please.

Are you sure you want me to give you a list of some select contradictions and select false prophecies?

mirage  posted on  2005-11-28   17:53:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#679. To: mirage (#452)

Are you sure you want me to give you a list of some select contradictions and select false prophecies?

I'm still waiting. I don't think you can produce.

A K A Stone  posted on  2005-11-29   21:35:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#735. To: A K A Stone, Zipporah (#679)

I'm still waiting. I don't think you can produce.

Here are a few for you to chew on. If you would like, I can produce more.

Mark 1:2 (RSV) "As it is written in Isaiah the prophet, 'Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, who shall prepare thy way'
There is no such statement in Isaiah.

Mark 9:13 "But I say unto you, that Elias is indeed come, and they have done unto him whatsoever they listed, as it is written of him."
There are no prophecies in the Old Testament of things that were to happen to Elias or Elijah.

Luke 13:4 "Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them..."
There is nothing in the Old Testament about a tower in Siloam falling on anyone.

John 5:46 "For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me."
Moses never referred to Jesus in any recognizable way.

John 7:38 "He that believeth on me, as the scripture has said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water."
This statement is not in the Old Testament.

John 20:9 "For as yet they knew not the scripture, that he must rise again from the dead."
There is no Old Testament statement to this effect. "Again" means rising twice.

Acts 20:35 "...ye ought to support the weak, and to remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he said, It is more blessed to give than to receive."
This is found nowhere in the New Testament. Matt 10:8 is inapplicable because it does not reference a blessing.

1 Tim 1:18 "This charge I commit unto thee, son Timothy, according to the prophecies which went before on thee..."
There are no Old Testament prophecies that refer to Timothy.

Matt 27:5-10 "And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed and went and hanged himself. And the chief priests took the silver pieces and said, It is not lawful for to put them into the treasury, because it is the price of blood. And they took counsel, and bought with them the potter's field, to bury strangers in. Wherefore that field was called, The field of blood, unto this day. Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremy [Jeremiah] the prophet, saying, And they took the thirty pieces of silver, the price of him that was valued, whom they of the children of Israel did value; And gave them the potter's field, as the Lord appointed me."
This statement does not exist in the Book of Jeremiah.

Eccles 9:5 "For the living know that they shall die; but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward: for the memory of them is forgotten."
The Old Testament says there is no such thing as an afterlife.

2 Kings 8:26 (Ahaziah was 22) vs 2 Chron 22:2 (He was 42)

Matt 11:15 (John the Baptist is Elijah) vs John 1:21 (John the Baptist says he is not Elijah)

Rom 3:23 "For all have sinned and come short" vs Gen 6:9 "Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations"
How can a perfect man have sinned?

Gal 4:25 "For this Agar is Mt. Sinai in Arabia..."
Mount Sinai is not in Arabia. It is on the Sinai Peninsula, which is part of Egypt.

2 Chron 21:20 and 22:1-2 make Jehoram's son Ahaziah two years older than he is.

Matt 27:38 conflicts with Roman and Jewish Law. Theft did not warrant the death penalty and it was not administered to them under either Roman or Jewish law.

Acts 3:21 "...which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began."
There were no prophets when the world began.

Matt 8:32 conflicts with Jewish law as the keeping of swine was prohibited in ancient Judea just as it is today in modern Israel.

1 Thess 5:21 "Prove all things; hold fast to that which is good."
Who can prove the existance of God? The Bible places the burden of proof on the Bible believer if one takes this statement to be true.

John 3:13 "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven."
Conflicts with 2 Kings 2:11, Heb 11:5, 2 Cor 12:2-3 and Gen 5:24 - apparantly Elijah and Enoch and an unknown person went up to heaven from earth without coming down first.

Mark 8:35 "For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel's, the same shall save it."
This is impossible since the Gospel didn't exist until AFTER the Crucifixion.

Matt 13:31-32 says that the Mustard Seed is the smallest of all seeds, yet orchid seeds are smaller.

What was on the sign tacked to the Cross? All four Gospels give a different account.

Gen 6:3 "And the Lord said, My spirit shall not abide in man for ever for he is flesh."
Since God states he will never abide in flesh, how could Jesus be God?

Job 14:4 "Who can bring a clean thing out of an unclean? Not one."
Job 15:14 "What is man, that he can be clean? Or he that is born of a woman, that he can be righteous?"
Job 25:4 "...how can he be clean that is born of a woman?"
How could Mary have given birth to Jesus unless the Catholics are correct about Mary?

Psalms 146:3 "Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help."
Didn't Jesus call himself the "son of man" ?

John 14:12 "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also, and greater works than these shall he do...."
Who has done greater works than Jesus?

Matt 10:23 "...for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come."
When was the Second Coming?

Matt 16:28 "Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom."
When was the Second Coming?

Mark 9:1 "And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power."
When did the Kingdom of God come with power?

Mark 13:30 "Verily, I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done."
The generation passed and we are still waiting.

Luke 9:27 "But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God."
The apostles all died, but the kingdom is yet to come.

Luke 23:43 "And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise."
How could Jesus have been in Heaven with the Thief if he was to spend three days in the grave?
This would negate Matt 12:40 which says "For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the earth."

Matt 27:63 "Saying, Sir, we remember that the deceiver said, while he was yet alive, After three days I will rise again"
See also Mark 8:31
The problem here is that Jesus died and was buried on Friday. He rose sometime on Saturday night or Sunday morning. "After three days" means he should have arisen after three full days passed rather than on the third day. He was in the grave barely a day and a half.

Mark 10:30 "But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, brethren, and sisters, and mothers..."
What believer has suddenly received a hundred houses, sisters, mothers....?

Matt 5:22 "...whosoever shall say Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire."
Gal 3:1 "O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you...."
Paul must be roasting currently.

Matt 10:5-6 "...Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel."
Acts 13:47 "For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth."
Were the Apostles to go to the Gentiles or not? We have a conflict here.

Luke 16:17 "And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail"
Rom 3:28 "Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law."
Is the Old Law required or not? The Bible says "yes" to both answers.

Matt 10:34 "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword."
1 Cor 14:33 "For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace..."
Which is it?

John 10:16 "And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold and one shepherd."
With over 15,000 different Protestant denominations, there is not "one fold and one shepherd"

John 7:52 "...search and you will see that no prophet is to rise from Galilee."
John 1:45-46 "...We have found him of whom Moses in the law and also the prophets wrote, Jesus of Nazareth ... Nathaniel said to him, "Can anything good come out of Nazareth?"
Matt 21:11 "And the multitude said, This is Jesus the prophet..."
Matt 22:11 "And the multitude said, This is Jesus ... of ... Galilee."
Can someone tell me why a prophet is said to not arise, yet one arises?

Jer 22:28-30 "Is this man Coniah a despised broken idol? is he a vessel wherein is no pleasure? wherefore are they cast out, he and his seed, and are cast into a land where they know not? O earth, earth, earth, hear the word of the Lord. Thus saith the Lord, Write ye this man childless, a man that shall not prosper in his days: for no man of his seed shall prosper, sitting upon the throne of David, and ruling any more in Judah."
Luke 1:32 "He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:"
1 Chron 3:16 "And the sons of Jehoiakim: Jechonias (Coniah) is the son of Jehoiakim:
Jer 36:30 "Therefore thus saith the Lord of Jehoiakim king of Judah: He shall have none to sit upon the throne of David."
Check Jesus' lineage. He is disqualified by the Old Testament from sitting on the throne of David.

If you'd like more problems to solve, I can give you many many more.

mirage  posted on  2005-11-30   3:41:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#750. To: mirage (#735)

Mark 9:13 "But I say unto you, that Elias is indeed come, and they have done unto him whatsoever they listed, as it is written of him." There are no prophecies in the Old Testament of things that were to happen to Elias or Elijah

Elias is Greek for Elijah. Acutally Elias/Elijah are mentioned in prophecy from the Old testament. From Malachi Chapter 5. That debunks your point. I'll get to some more later.

Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments. 5

Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:

A K A Stone  posted on  2005-11-30   19:52:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#751. To: A K A Stone (#750)

Read my comment again:

"There are no prophecies in the OT of things that were to happen to Elias or Elijah"

Mark 9:13 says "But I say unto you that Elias is indeed come, and they have done unto him whatoever they listed, as it is written of him."

What things happenned to him? What did people do to him that was prophecied? This has not been debunked. The escape hatch of "He will arrive" does not meet the problem of the non-prophecy of things happenning to him.

Malachi simply says that he will arrive *for Judgment Day* - which is what I understand "Day of the LORD" to mean. As we know, Judgment Day has yet to occur....another false statement? Perhaps. What say you? Is my analysis flawed here?

mirage  posted on  2005-11-30   21:31:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#752. To: mirage (#751)

Judgement day hasn't come yet. So that was a prophecy of something to come in the future. I will look at your other points later and address them as time permits. Thanks.

A K A Stone  posted on  2005-11-30   21:33:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#753. To: A K A Stone (#752)

So that was a prophecy of something to come in the future.

How could it be a prophecy of something to come in the future if Elias came nearly 2000 years ago according to Mark?

Its a conundrum, isn't it? How can Elias be prophecied to come for Judgment Day in the OT, yet Mark says he has already come .... ?

I'll save the second batch of problems including the infamous "pi" problem for some time in the future. I get the feeling this batch will tie you up in knots for a while.

mirage  posted on  2005-11-30   21:53:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#754. To: mirage (#753)

How could it be a prophecy of something to come in the future if Elias came nearly 2000 years ago according to Mark?

Its a conundrum, isn't it? How can Elias be prophecied to come for Judgment Day in the OT, yet Mark says he has already come .... ?

I'll save the second batch of problems including the infamous "pi" problem for some time in the future. I get the feeling this batch will tie you up in knots for a while.

He is coming back. duh

A K A Stone  posted on  2005-11-30   23:19:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#755. To: A K A Stone (#754)

He is coming back. duh

Where does it say Elijah comes *twice* ??

The *one* time was for the Judgment, right? I'm confused now. Where did the second coming of Elijah come from? That's not in Scripture!

mirage  posted on  2005-11-30   23:24:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#756. To: mirage (#755)

Where does it say Elijah comes *twice* ??

The *one* time was for the Judgment, right? I'm confused now. Where did the second coming of Elijah come from? That's not in Scripture!

Go back and read your bible. Elijah never died.

A K A Stone  posted on  2005-11-30   23:30:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#764. To: A K A Stone (#756)

Go back and read your bible. Elijah never died.

I never said he died. Where do you get that from?

Elijah was taken up to heaven *to be sent down* for Judgment Day, right?

mirage  posted on  2005-12-01   2:20:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#765. To: All (#764)

Have any of you ever read the bible and interpreted it as a PERSONAL JOURNEY THROUGH LIFE rather than taking everything so freakin' literally as if each and every prophecy would happen simultaneously to everyone? (second coming of Christ... maybe it's not what you EXPECT at all? Maybe it's a personal experience rather than a worldwide one?)

Ever think outside of the box for yourself without asking OTHER people to tell you what something means? I mean, the bible DOES tell the story of a single person's LIFE from birth through death told through parables and prophesies... An example: Revelations quite aptly describes the death of a single (wo)man... Genesis describes the cycle of birth... It's an incredible compilation of words but unless you dare to break away from the forcefed views, you simply won't see that side of it. Do this and THEN read the same chapter every day for a week from the day's new & different perspective and you'll come away amazed at how different it reads today from yesterday. It fits what's happening TO YOU at any given time. Yet what has changed? The words? NO... only you have.

Just a thought tossed out for your consideration...

siagiah  posted on  2005-12-01   2:35:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#769. To: siagiah (#765)

Have any of you ever read the bible and interpreted it as a PERSONAL JOURNEY THROUGH LIFE rather than taking everything so freakin' literally as if each and every prophecy would happen simultaneously to everyone?

That's the point I'm trying to make.

Its a book filled with *religious truth* and has real errors if one tries to take it literally. It should be used as a guide to learn from and also to be inspired by. That's about all it can be used for. If one thinks it is inerrant, it can be absolutely shredded due to the multiple errors it contains.

I've said that many many many times and stand by it.

Besides, if one were to take it literally, one would have to advocate for slavery. I doubt anyone in this day and age would be willing to do that.

mirage  posted on  2005-12-01   3:04:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#771. To: mirage (#769)

you know what mirage - you don't know what you're talking about.

you've got a lot of opinions about the bible. but I don't trust a word you say.

you are an obstinate naysayer.

Red Jones  posted on  2005-12-01   13:36:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#773. To: Red Jones (#771)

you are an obstinate naysayer.

No, I'm an obstinate researcher. If you want to take the math problem on, feel free. Pi != 3.0 and nothing can change that.

mirage  posted on  2005-12-01   13:41:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#775. To: mirage (#773)

Additionally, if you are an 'obstinate' researcher as you say, then you know that the KJV is a poor translation..

Zipporah  posted on  2005-12-01   13:44:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#776. To: Zipporah (#775)

Additionally, if you are an 'obstinate' researcher as you say, then you know that the KJV is a poor translation..

Absolutely I do, but, unfortunately, people who wish to claim "absolute inerrancy" claim that KJV is "absolutely inerrant."

If you're going to build a list of errors, why not start with the most common and error-prone translation out there?

mirage  posted on  2005-12-01   13:47:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#777. To: mirage (#776)

Absolutely I do, but, unfortunately, people who wish to claim "absolute inerrancy" claim that KJV is "absolutely inerrant."

If you're going to build a list of errors, why not start with the most common and error-prone translation out there?

IMO that's not being honest..

Zipporah  posted on  2005-12-01   13:48:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#778. To: Zipporah (#777)

IMO that's not being honest..

I have to disagree.

The dishonesty is in trying to say "it doesn't say what it says" when it plainly does or deny an error where it exists. That's the business of apologetics, both political and religious. Some honest apologists will say "This can't be resolved" but other dishonest ones will continue with the "It doesn't say what it says, but says X instead" which is completely dishonest.

An honest person would say "The text is in error" or "the translation has an error" as opposed to trying to defend something that cannot be defended, but that doesn't ever seem to happen.

mirage  posted on  2005-12-01   13:59:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#779. To: mirage (#778)

An honest person would say "The text is in error" or "the translation has an error" as opposed to trying to defend something that cannot be defended, but that doesn't ever seem to happen.

Well I will say that the KJV is a poor translation.. I never refer to the KJV because of it.. if you are truthfully trying to seek the truth and/or errors then why not refer to a better translation rather than to use the KJV as a 'gotcha'?

Zipporah  posted on  2005-12-01   14:03:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#780. To: Zipporah (#779)

if you are truthfully trying to seek the truth and/or errors then why not refer to a better translation rather than to use the KJV as a 'gotcha'?

I do often. However, a lot of people insist on KJV, like Stone. What do you do with them when they won't acknowledge that it has problems and also won't even consider anything else? Well, you have to give them what they're willing to look at, right? The gotcha with that is not mine, it is theirs.

Typically, I use a copy of the Layman's Parallel Bible, which has four translations on each page. I can scan all four at the same time. Other times, I'll use an old RSV that I've gotten to like.

mirage  posted on  2005-12-01   14:14:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#781. To: mirage (#780)

yes I have a parallel bible and an interlinear. I use the New American Standard..

Im not sure why people think the KJV is the ONLY translation that's correct.. once I asked one of these people..when she told me that the KJV is the only correct bible.. I asked her what about the Japanese? And her answer? They use the Japanese King James Version LOL!

Zipporah  posted on  2005-12-01   14:23:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#797. To: Zipporah (#781)

Im not sure why people think the KJV is the ONLY translation that's correct.. once I asked one of these people..when she told me that the KJV is the only correct bible.. I asked her what about the Japanese? And her answer? They use the Japanese King James Version LOL!

The King James is very reliable. 100 percent reliable. Some of the other versions have errors. For example in the NIV it says to be angry is sin. It also says Jesus was angry. Therefore the NIV makes Jesus a sinner. The King James version says to be angry without cause is sin. That is just one example.

A K A Stone  posted on  2005-12-01   22:38:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#800. To: A K A Stone, Zipporah (#797)

I agree with A K A on this point. I would recommend the KJV over the others.

Red Jones  posted on  2005-12-01   22:46:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#802. To: Red Jones, A K A Stone (#800)

I didnt say I used the International Version.. and IMO the KJV is a poor translation and uses verbage that is antiquated and that is one of many reasons I dont use it. I used the New American Standard for this reason -- > (the translators)... strove to produce a literal translation ... in the belief that such a translation 'brings the contemporary reader as close as possible to the actual wording and grammatical structure of the original writers' "'

Zipporah  posted on  2005-12-01   22:53:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#975. To: Zipporah (#802)

New American Standard

Why does the New American Standard have a copyright. Do men own that Bible?

A K A Stone  posted on  2005-12-06   21:14:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#977. To: A K A Stone (#975)

Why does the New American Standard have a copyright. Do men own that Bible?

What kind of loony question is that? They've copyrighted the translation.. for MEN translated it from the original.. And the KJV was before copyright laws..

Zipporah  posted on  2005-12-06   21:18:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#980. To: Zipporah (#977)

What kind of loony question is that? They've copyrighted the translation.. for MEN translated it from the original.. And the KJV was before copyright laws..

Anyone can print a king james version. You have to have permission from men to print the other "bibles"

A K A Stone  posted on  2005-12-06   21:19:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#981. To: A K A Stone (#980)

Did you read my reply? I guess if you want to print from a bad translation the KJV is as good as any..

Zipporah  posted on  2005-12-06   21:20:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#983. To: Zipporah (#981)

Did you read my reply? I guess if you want to print from a bad translation the KJV is as good as any..

The King James doesn't have any errors or contradictions. The other Bibles do. Because they are of men.

A K A Stone  posted on  2005-12-06   21:21:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#986. To: A K A Stone (#983)

The King James doesn't have any errors or contradictions. The other Bibles do. Because they are of men.

Where on earth do you get this from? It's truly nutty.

Zipporah  posted on  2005-12-06   21:24:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#989. To: Zipporah (#986)

Where on earth do you get this from? It's truly nutty.

From reading.

A K A Stone  posted on  2005-12-06   21:26:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#993. To: A K A Stone (#989)

From reading.

Now the question is .. what are you reading??

Zipporah  posted on  2005-12-06   21:28:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#995. To: Zipporah (#993)

Now the question is .. what are you reading??

From the different translations of the Bible.

A K A Stone  posted on  2005-12-06   21:28:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#999. To: A K A Stone (#995)

From the different translations of the Bible.

So you've come to the conclusion that because some words are in some translations and not in others that they 'removed' certain words for some unknown reason.. AND have you ever considered that the KJV was translated by MEN?

Zipporah  posted on  2005-12-06   21:32:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#1007. To: Zipporah (#999)

I plead total ignorance here, but wan't the New Testiment translated from Aramaic to Greek to Latin and probably a few more before before it reached England? Anyone know what language KJV was translated from? I'm just asking out of curiousity.

Dakmar  posted on  2005-12-06   21:35:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#1027. To: Dakmar (#1007)

well you're very right that there have been a whole lot of languages that it has morphed and migrated from and to.

I personally trust the KJV a lot better than any of the newer versions. But I would think the translations of the aramaic and greek are very important because those languages I believe are what they spoke most at the time. some latin was spoken at the time also.

I think the newer versions we've read about that have come out in the last few years show that there is a huge effort to destroy the bible. I don't doubt this effort began decades or possibly centuries ago. The KJV is a little difficult to read in the old english style, but I trust it far better.

Red Jones  posted on  2005-12-06   21:50:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#1031. To: Red Jones (#1027)

I think the newer versions we've read about that have come out in the last few years show that there is a huge effort to destroy the bible. I don't doubt this effort began decades or possibly centuries ago. The KJV is a little difficult to read in the old english style, but I trust it far better.

I agree with you that there is an effort to destroy the Bible. They have tried to destroy it for centuries. But it is still here. God wants it here for us, so there will be no stopping it.

A K A Stone  posted on  2005-12-06   21:53:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#1049. To: ALL (#1031)

has anyone here ever researched just who King James was?

christine  posted on  2005-12-06   22:02:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#1051. To: christine (#1049)

has anyone here ever researched just who King James was?

He was a king. The people who worked on translating had god moving their hearts and minds.

A K A Stone  posted on  2005-12-06   22:04:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#1054. To: A K A Stone (#1051)

christine: has anyone here ever researched just who King James was?

Stone: He was a king.

You think?

82Marine89  posted on  2005-12-06   22:07:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#1056. To: 82Marine89 (#1054)

You think?

I take it you think he was a space alien. The pope is god right. lol.

On a more serious note. Are you a carrier of the gay gene?

A K A Stone  posted on  2005-12-06   22:09:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#1062. To: A K A Stone (#1056)

On a more serious note. Are you a carrier of the gay gene?

Since my daughters like boys, I would have to say no.

82Marine89  posted on  2005-12-06   22:11:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#1088. To: 82Marine89 (#1062)

Since my daughters like boys, I would have to say no.

But you said your sister was a lesbian. If being a homosexual isn't by choice. That would make you a carrier of the gene.

A K A Stone  posted on  2005-12-06   23:18:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#1089. To: A K A Stone (#1088)

For gawds sake..

Zipporah  posted on  2005-12-06   23:19:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#1092. To: Zipporah (#1089)

For gawds sake..

If it is caused by birth (which I don't believe). Then would that not be the logical conclusion?

A K A Stone  posted on  2005-12-06   23:21:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#1095. To: A K A Stone (#1092)

If it is caused by birth (which I don't believe). Then would that not be the logical conclusion?

IMO that post was to bait.. plain and simple.

Zipporah  posted on  2005-12-06   23:22:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#1111. To: Zipporah (#1095)

IMO that post was to bait.. plain and simple.

Seriously. People say they are born that way. People who say that then are offended when you point out the logical conclusion. If someone has a homosexual family member, wouldn't that make them a carrier of the gay gene. According to their logic it would be nothing to be ashamed of. They should celebrate it. Can you not see that logic?

A K A Stone  posted on  2005-12-06   23:35:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#1117. To: A K A Stone (#1111)

This is nonsense.. you've only posted this a zillion times.. why do you want to taunt someone? You know there is such a thing as winning the battle but losing the war.

Zipporah  posted on  2005-12-06   23:36:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#1156. To: Zipporah, 82marine89 (#1117)

This is nonsense.. you've only posted this a zillion times.. why do you want to taunt someone? You know there is such a thing as winning the battle but losing the war.

I just want an answer. No one who opposes my views has the guts to acknowledge that that is the logical conclusion.

A K A Stone  posted on  2005-12-07   0:00:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#1168. To: A K A Stone (#1156)

I just want an answer. No one who opposes my views has the guts to acknowledge that that is the logical conclusion.

I think youre coming to the wrong conclusion.

Zipporah  posted on  2005-12-07   0:08:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#1180. To: Zipporah (#1168)

I think youre coming to the wrong conclusion.

How so. If you are born that way. Like some people are saying. Wouldn't you inherit it from your parents. So if someone had a gay sibling. Would they also not be a carrier of this so called gay gene. What about a couple that is normal. And they have a homosexual child. Where did that gene come from. Did it evolve or something.

A K A Stone  posted on  2005-12-07   0:18:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#1183. To: A K A Stone (#1180)

I wasnt referring to your posts re a "gay gene".. but rather your reference to people not having the 'guts'..

Zipporah  posted on  2005-12-07   0:20:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#1189. To: Zipporah (#1183)

I wasnt referring to your posts re a "gay gene".. but rather your reference to people not having the 'guts'..

Thanks for clearing that up. :)

A K A Stone  posted on  2005-12-07   0:25:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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