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Title: Homosexuality is a Sin
Source: jesus-is-savior.com
URL Source: http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evil ... omy/homosexuality_is_a_sin.htm
Published: Nov 23, 2005
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Post Date: 2005-11-23 20:34:23 by A K A Stone
Keywords: Homosexuality
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The homosexual activist movement and organized pedophiles are linked together by a common goal: To gain access to children for seduction into homosexuality.

Serial killers, government tyrants, academic liberals, Catholic priests, politicians, Mormon Church higher-ups, Jewish rabbis, environmental extremists, communists, religious heretics, mass murderers, occultists, spies, and the Illuminati share something hideous and grotesque in common. Almost all are homo-sexual. Worse, most of the sick-minded men who comprise these demented social groups are not only homosexual, they practice the most kinky and perverted forms of sexual licentiousness-pedophilia, satanic bondage, physical torture, bisexuality, transvestitism, and even bestiality.

If you doubt this, I invite you to consider the wicked lives of some of these moral degenerates—men like Lenin, Mussolini, Hitler, Marx, Jim Jones, Alfred Kinsey, Michael Jackson, Jacques DeMolay, Bill Clinton, Jim Bakker, Jimmy Swaggart, Mick Jagger, Aleister Crowley, Hubert Humphrey, Paul Tsongas, Martin Luther King, Mario Cuomo, Rudy Giuliani, Jeffrey Dahmer, Richard Speck, and John Wayne Gacy.

Homosexuality in the Mystery Religions

In the ancient pagan Mystery Religions, homosexuality and pedophilia were popularized. Worshippers of Baal erected shrines and temples of male prostitution (I Kings 14). Roman Emperors Nero, Caligula, and Commodus engaged in incest, sex with boys, bondage, and a variety of evil crimes. So, too, did those in Pharaoh's court. Alexander the Great was a homosexual who loved little boys.

When the Spanish Conquistadors conquered Central America and the Yucatan in Mexico, they found that most native Indian priests were sodomites. In their pagan temples were sacred statues depicting gay sex acts. In Babylon, people sacrificed and prayed to gods and goddesses requesting sexual favors and carnal pleasures.

Seal of Knights Templar

Two versions of the official seal of the Knights Templar, precursors of the Freemasons. Note that in the version at right, the two riders carry a shield. But, in the other version of the seal (left), one's shield is gone and the knight has placed his hand in a most sensitive area of his body.

The Knights Templar and Baphomet

In the 14th century, a Catholic band of crusaders known as the Order of Knights Templar grew in power and riches. They and their leader, their Sovereign Grand Master, Frenchman Jacques DeMolay, built temples and tabernacles of worship. Only Knights Templar initiates could enter therein. Soon, reports spread of the grotesque and unseemly mode of worship of these depraved men. Their secret religion was based on worship of an androgynous (1/2 male, 1/2 female) satanic goat god named Baphomet.

In the Knights Templar rituals, a crucifix of Jesus was reviled and urinated on, and homosexual orgies were rumored. Strangely, the seal, or coat of arms, of the Order depicted two knights riding on one horse! Was this an emblem of their homosexual passion or, as the Templars protested, a statement of their "brotherly love?"

When the rumors and gossip of their antichrist activities reached a feverish pitch, the Kings of continental Europe were forced to move against the Order. Their Sovereign Grand Master, DeMolay, was tried, convicted and burned at the stake, their temples shut down. Amazingly, the Knights Templar survived, hiding out in Scotland and underground in Europe. Then, in the 1800s, they made a startling comeback in the new form of Freemasonry! Today, the Masonic youth group is even named the DeMolays. Bill Clinton, as a teenager, was a member of this organization. Baphomet

Baphomet, the half male, half female goat god of the Knights Templar, was revived by Eliphas Levi, the infamous 19th century Freemason and magician and reportedly is worshipped today by homosexual cults.

Communists, Homosexuality, and Perversion

Communism, as propounded by Satanist Karl Marx, was an offshoot of Templarism. As Jüri Lina documents in his sensational book, Under the Sign of the Scorpion, Vladimir Lenin, the communist monster who founded the bloody communist regime in Soviet Russia, frequented brothels and maintained three mistresses.

Laventi Beria, Stalin's decadent Chief of Secret Police, a man who arrested, tortured, imprisoned, and executed some 20 million innocent victims in Russia, was truly a heinous sex criminal. Beria would have his chauffeur drive him around Moscow in a limo evenings searching for a young girl or boy out walking alone. Then, Beria would order his security police to grab and kidnap the hapless youth. What horrible fate transpired to such victims I do not wish to recount here. Obviously, Stalin knew of Beria's evil criminality and had no objections.

Hitler & Mussolini enjoy a homoerotic exhibit

In 1937 at the House of German Art Museum, Nazi Führer Hitler and Italian dictator Mussolini enjoy a homoerotic exhibit—an immense statue of two naked muscular men holding hands. (For decency's sake, Power of Prophecy has blackened out the genital area of one of the naked men pictured)

The Pink Swastika

Hitler, Nazi founder, was similarly a sex pervert. As Chancellor, he carried on sexually with his 15-year-old niece, who killed herself rather than continue giving in to his bizarre and beastly sexual fetishes. As a young Bohemian streetwalker and "starving artist," the man who later would rule most of Europe sold his body to gay men.

Hitler is noted as a fanatical fan of Wagnerian operas. Less known is the fact that before he rose to become the Fuhrer, in the 1920s, Hitler sexually abused Richard Wagner's grandson, Wieland Wagner (Time magazine, August 15, 1994, p. 56).

Hitler, of course, was catapulted to power largely by the Brown Shirts (SA), a fascist youth organization led by and composed primarily of "butch" type homosexual militarists. The head of the thuggish Brown Shirts was Ernst Roehm, who was a notorious molester of young boys. Roehm was executed by Hitler after his sexual excesses became widely known.

As Scott Lively writes in his revealing book, The Pink Swastika-Homosexuality and the Nazi Party, "Homosexuals are the perfect foot soldiers for the devil."

Interestingly, Hitler and his henchmen intensely disliked feminine gay men, even sent many to concentration camps. The Nazis preferred masculine, butch, soldier-types-like Field Marshall Reinhard Heydrich-willing to take orders. On the other hand, in Soviet Russia, the Communists and Bolsheviks favored gay Jews with female traits and affectations.

Religious Sodomites are Legion

Religious fakes who are sodomites predominate. Jim Bakker, PTL televangelist disgraced and defrocked for sexually abusing church secretary Jessica Hahn, actually preferred young boys. He frequently had young homo staffers go swimming nude with he and his top aides. Like Bakker, Assembly of God television preacher Jimmy Swaggert also was a sexual deviant-reportedly into porno literature, trampy prostitutes, etc. He stayed away from real sex with real women-desired bizarre acts.

Satan loves to debauch religious charlatans. A headline in The Houston Chronicle newspaper, page one of its May 9, 1999 issue, trumpeted, "Mormons Caught up in Wave of Pedophile Accusations." In fact, Power of Prophecy has received startling information about satanic rituals and pedophile Mormon elders in the so-called Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (LDS). No Wonder! Joseph Smith and Brigham Young, Mormon founders, took numerous wives, and Smith was an occultist and sexual pervert of the highest order, as even many of his biographers confess.

Legions of Catholic priests are now recognized as plunderers of little boys. It is estimated that at least 80 percent of all Catholic priests are queers, and most nuns are lesbians! Father Ritter, the priest who founded Covenant House, a New York City shelter, to "help" homeless teens, was discovered to be molesting his charges. At Boys Town, the famous Catholic boys' orphanage founded by Father Flanagan (played by actor Spencer Tracy in the classic movie), a scandal recently broke when it got out that little boys were being passed around by priests to local gay politicians.

Some orphans from Omaha's Boys Town were even flown to Washington, D.C. for sex parties with top-level Republican Party chieftains. You can read about this in John Van De Camp's shocking exposé, The Franklin Cover-up (available from Power of Prophecy, $15, book order-line 800-234-9673).

Religious cultist Jim Jones, who, the controlled news media alleged, induced hundreds of his followers to commit mass suicide in Guyana by drinking poisoned Kool-Aid (actually, most were murdered—but that's another story) was both a Communist and a vile homosexual. Jim Jones was also a leading Democratic Party boss in California and a loyal initiate of the Masonic Lodge. The filthy Reverend Jones had his choice of boys, girls, and grown-ups among his "congregation" as sex partners.

David Koresh of Branch Davidian infamy had a taste for young girls and other men's wives, claiming that, as the Messiah, he had a perfect right. Strangely, Koresh was murdered at the behest of Janet Reno, a butch lesbian; FBI Director Louis Freeh, a member of the reportedly homosexual-oriented Opus Dei Catholic secret society; and Hillary Clinton, a flaming, lesbian activist.

Bill Clinton and other Homosexual Masons

President Bill Clinton became famous for the Monica Lewinsky affair. But actually, Bill Clinton never had conventional sexual relations with the young Jewish woman. Clinton enjoys kinky perversion and it is well known in some circles that old Bill is bisexual. Indeed, Clinton is a woman-hater, and documented evidence proves he has brutally raped at least two women.

One report says that Bill Clinton and a former pal, Arkansas Governor, Winthrop Rockefeller, had a fling. Winthrop, of the monied Rockefeller family, was well known as a homosexual. It is also possible that Clinton was himself abused and molested as a youthful member of the Masonic Lodge's DeMolay organization.

Albert Pike, the 19th century occultist who, as Masonry's Sovereign Grand Commander, created its rituals for the 33 degrees of the craft, was himself a notorious sodomite. Albert Pike

Albert Pike

"Cuomo the Homo"

Political networks of both political parties are eaten up by gay men. Former New York Governor Mario Cuomo, a Democrat, has been labeled "Cuomo the Homo." New York's former Mayor, Rudy Giuliani, a Republican, has been known to dress up as a woman transvestite.

The Mayor also carried on an open affair with a female assistant. And when Giuliani and his wife separated, the Mayor moved in with two gay male friends. He now resides in the Manhattan apartment the gay couple share.

Rudia

New York's Mayor Rudolph Giuliani performed on stage as "Rudia," transvestite, at the annual Inner Circle banquet for the elite. Giuliani now lives in an apartment with two homosexual men but has a female lover. Time magazine named Giuliani its "Person of the Year" for 2001.

Indeed, according to The New York Times, the Mayor actually performed in female attire, posing as "Rudia the Transvestite" at a nightclub. The occasion: The annual "Inner Circle" show.

The late Senator and Vice-President Hubert Humphrey often frolicked about nude in the YMCA swimming pool in Minneapolis. President Lyndon B. Johnson skinny-dipped with male friends, including evangelist Billy Graham and his Vice President, Hubert. In fact, the "Y" is a popular meeting place for homo politicians and religious bigwigs. The gay disco group, The Village People, in coded language revealed such wicked goings on in their national hit record tune, Y-M-C-A!

The Republicans even have a sodomite lobby group, which calls itself the Log Cabin Republicans. Senator Bob Dole heavily pandered to these "conservative" queers during his presidential campaign.

Same Sex Marriages

This year the Mayor of San Francisco, California broke the law by issuing Same Sex marriage licenses to homosexual couples at City Hall and performing marriages. Among those who practice perversion to get “married” were celebrity Rosie O’Donnell and her lesbian girlfriend. Rosie attacked President Bush right after the ceremony stating that they performed this so-called “marriage” as an act of defiance against President Bush and those who oppose the homosexual agenda.

Well thank God the California State Supreme Court ruled that the Mayor overstepped his boundaries. The California State Supreme Court further annulled all 4000 homosexual marriages that were performed including Rosie’s, deeming them illegal, null and void! Chalk one up for our side!

Has this stopped the homosexual agenda? Not on your life. The Democratic Party nation wide is endorsing Same Sex marriages and helping to push the homosexual agenda through the legal system.

Sadly many Christians support Same Sex Marriages either by openly supporting this travesty or remaining silent and refusing to get involved. Silence means approval in this case.

You cannot call yourself a Christian and be a supporter of Same Sex Marriages. It is against the word of God to support any homosexual agenda. The bible says it is sin period. Leviticus 18:22 22 "`Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable." Leviticus 20:13. "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 9 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

Romans 1:25-27 25 They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator-- who is forever praised. Amen. 26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.

Genesis 19:1-29 says God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah because of homosexuality. It stinks in the nostrils of God. Genesis 13:13 identify the men of Sodom as exceedingly wicked sinners. Genesis 18:20 says that the sin of Sodom is "very grievous." Genesis 18:23 adds emphasis to the portrayal of the inhabitants of Sodom as "wicked." Genesis 18:24-33 shows that God could not find even 10 righteous souls in Sodom. The perverts who inhabited Sodom, even wanted to rape God's Angels who had come to Sodom to rescue Lot.

It is clear. The same sex marriage agenda is against God, and is SIN, and that my friend is the bottom-line because the Word of Our Most Holy God says so.

The homosexual agenda not only includes Same Sex Marriage but they have successfully pushed forward their lifestyles to the public over the television sets conditioning the public to accept their perversion and depravity. TV shows like “Will and Grace”, “Queer Eye For The Straight Guy”, “The L Word”, “Queer Folks”, MTV Videos, and even cartoons such as “The Simpsons”, and “Southpark” portray Christians who take a stand against homosexuality as evil, hateful, and wacky, while portraying the homosexual lifestyle as normal. As if there wasn’t enough shows on TV promoting homosexuality, MTV is preparing to launch a “24-Hour All-Gay All Day Channel” which will include programming geared at teaching kids that it is cool to be a homosexual and perfectly normal. They will even include a homosexual dating game. Now I am going to have to be a little crude here, but parents need to know about this so they can keep their kids from watching these shows. As if Jerry Springer wasn’t enough, with promoting homosexuality in just about every show whipping the audience into a frenzy as they scream and yell, “We Love Lesbians” while girls get naked and lick all over each other right in front of a nationwide live audience! Springer features homosexual sodomites that kiss and fondle each other while the audience cheers them on. Parents, Jerry Springer is shown in many states around 3-4pm in the afternoon, so you should know that might be what your kids are watching when they get home from school. Now they will have the 24-Hour All Gay All Day Channel to look at also! Your kids also are subjected to singers who promote the homosexual lifestyle such as open lesbian singers Tatu, Melissa Etheridge, and K.D. Lang, along with open bisexual Satan worshipper Marilyn Manson who encourages homosexuality among children.

Once upon a time in America, we used to have a thing called morality and laws that protected the children and the average family. One could be arrested for indecent exposure in America, but now it is not uncommon to drive down the streets of LA or New York City and see some homosexual doing ungodly things to his buddy right there on the corner. The police turn a blind eye to this and I am sure in places like California some cops would gladly join in disgusting episodes of sodomy.

In the 1970’s Anita Bryant took a stand for decency and morality standing up and speaking out against the homosexual agenda. For her efforts, she was rewarded with being abandoned by the Christian churches across the Nation and ultimately suffered a divorce when the homosexuals began to make phone calls to the churches she was speaking at threatening to blow them up. The churches decided to give in to this terrorist tactic and abandon Anita. Then in the 1980’s Pastor Jerry Falwell took a stand against the homosexual agenda and many leading pastors and churches also ostracized him across the country as being a little too political and getting off focus of preaching the gospel. As a result the churches joined in with the liberal media in labeling Falwell as a hatemonger. Well today, churches are getting to reap what they have sown. Galatians 6:7 "Be not deceived, God is not mocked; for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.".

Gary Condit, Satanism, and Homosexuality

The Democrats don't need an exclusive special homo group. Almost all active Democratic Party political professionals are bisexual and gay. Those who aren't are into other weird, abnormal sexual behavior—satanic sex bondage rituals, etc.

Congressman Gary Condit, suspected of having something to do with the disappearance of intern Chandra Levy, is known in the Washington, D.C. gay community as a bisexual into major sexual deviance.

Butch

A "butch" type homosexual shows off at a "Gay Pride" demonstration. Reportedly, Congressman Gary Condit also wears leather and homo-fascist garb when in bed in threesomes with men and women.

Condit reportedly dresses up in leather and chains, practices satanic bondage, and has had multiple male sex partners. Condit, an owner of a Harley Davidson motorcycle, is also a regular at Hell's Angels biker parties, especially when "butch" male homo bikers are throwing a shindig. Yet, Condit enjoys degrading and despoiling young women, too. Clintonesque, isn't he?

Remember Senator Paul Tsongas, the Massachusetts Democrat who ran for President and was so beloved by the media? Well, as The Washington Post newspaper (2/4/92) noted, the gay Mr. Tsongas had quite a stable of homo pals. He was noted for lustfully staring at young men's bodies, and the newspaper remarked that, "No one sat around the pool when Paul Tsongas was there."

Massachusetts Democrat Congressman Barney Frank (whom a Texas Republican congressman once called "Barney Fag") and his live-in male lover were discovered several years ago running a homosexual prostitution ring out of Frank's home. An attempt in the House of Representatives to censor Frank for his criminal misconduct fell flat when Republican leader Newt Gingrich came to his rescue. House Speaker Gingrich later resigned after it was about to come out that he was cheating on his wife with a female member of his own congressional staff. Gingrich warmly praised homosexuals in Congress for their "courage in running for office."

Homosexuality A "Wonderful Thing"—Al Gore

Former Vice President Al Gore and his wife, Tipper, also were big backers of queers and sodomites. In June 2000, Al and Tipper threw a party in their home for 150 brazen homos. Gore gushingly told the group, "It's a wonderful thing to do what you are doing… It's an outgrowth of the way you live your entire lives."

Say what, Al? Are you kidding us? Homos are the ominous bringers of AIDS, a variety of other sexual diseases, wide-ranging child abuse and molestation, and sundry other evils-and you say that's a "wonderful thing?"

Recently, some 600 homosexual congressmen and politicians threw another wild party, this time inside a certain federal building in Washington, D.C. Security guards were led to vomit at what they saw going on inside and even outside, on the grounds. You may be interested in knowing that among the "proud" sponsors of this disgusting homo-sex gala were wealthy corporations such as American Airlines, Snapple beverages, Miller Lite beer, Starbucks coffee, and Ben and Jerry's ice cream.

Gay Jews and Hollywood

Jewish rabbis and intellectuals are into homosexuality in a big way. James Klugman, British Communist Party leader; U.S. Supreme Court Justice Stephen Breyer; wealthy socialist Victor Rothschild; and British economist John Maynard Keynes come to mind. The ADL, ACLU, and Southern Poverty Law Center are Jewish organizations noted both for their antichrist liberal views and the perverted sexual orientation of some of their leaders.

Jewish rabbis are frequently in the news, with charges of child molestation highlighted. Meanwhile, Jews virtually run the entire inter-national porn industry. Even Jerusalem World Report, a prominent Jewish publication, has admitted that the kingpins of the "ecstasy" drug trade are Jews based in Israel.

Michael Eisner, a Jew and head of Disney Corporation, is actively pushing the gay agenda, as are most other Hollywood moguls—almost all of whom are Jewish. Sodomite Tom Schumaker was chosen by Disney to be executive producer of the kids movie, The Lion King. Homosexual singer Elton John was chosen to do the music score for the movie. Schumaker brags that Disney is actively recruiting homosexuals and that already, "There are a lot of gay people at every level" in the company.

Sharon Stone

Actress Sharon Stone said she relished her role in one film as a masculine lesbian lover.

Hollywood has long been much more gay than traditional America has known. The Christ-hating Jews that run the movie industry have always gotten their kicks from secretly pushing homosexual actors and actresses into leading roles as "romantic" leads. Katherine Hepburn was a lesbian deceptively dressed up as a lover of men like Spencer Tracy. Lesbian actress Marlene Dietrich pranced about in male suits with pants and yet the movie audiences were led to believe she was "All Woman." Male stars like comedian Danny Kaye and British actor Laurence Olivier were lovers, and comedian Jack Benny was queer as a three-dollar bill.

Pedophile Criminals Evade Punishment

In places like Hollywood and San Francisco, homosexual crime is rampant and never do the police intervene. Pedophile black singer Michael Jackson molests little boys and jokes are made—but no arrest. Little boys are molested at gay masquerade balls, and police look the other way. Corrupt Congressmen back in Washington know, but they are too busy running their own sex rings to care. Washington, D.C. is a place where homosexual masked men and women cavort in secret places—mansions, federal building auditoriums, military installations, and so forth. In November of 2003 Jackson was arrested on allegations of molesting several young boys at his Neverland Ranch in California. He was released the next day on $3,000,000 bond to go back to Las Vegas to finish a music video. Unbelievably, authorities said they didn't want to bring any official charges until after the Thanksgiving Day holiday (in spite of concrete testimony from one of the young victims and evidence found at the ranch). So they just let him go free in public!

Michael Jackson then! Michael Jackson Today!

Rock Music Stars

Heavy metal rock music stars are predominantly homosexual. That's the reason for the leather garb, the satanic tattoos, the long hair, and the transvestite make-up and appearance. Perhaps the top rock idol of all time, Mick Jagger of the Rolling Stones group, is a sick bisexual. In her autobiography, Marianne Faithful wrote that, while in bed with her, Mick Jagger said, "If Keith (a member of his band) were here right now, I'd lick him all over."

And some Christian parents allow their kids to listen to the music of these addle-brained homo sickos!

Michael Jackson

Singer/entertainer Michael Jackson reportedly molested little boys, then paid their parents hush money. Police and law enforcement looked the other way.

Sodomite Freddie Mercury of the rock band, Queen, died of AIDS at only 46 years of age. He reportedly had homosexual lovers all over the world.

Mick Jagger

Moral reprobate Mick Jagger, initiated into the Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame, has talked openly about how much he enjoys performing sex acts on other men.

Sodomites Madonna and Britney Spears. The Bible expressly forbids such homosexual activities.

Sodomites Madonna and Britney Spears

Left: Tolerant Americans have made lesbian activist, comedian Rosie O'Donnell, a rich and famous entertainer. O'Donnell and her homosexual partner were allowed by Florida to adopt a child. She is pictured here off-stage with Britain's Boy George, a popular actor and singer who starred in a Broadway production, Taboo.

Above: Tammy Faye Messner (formerly Tammy Faye Bakker of PTL fame) recently helped host a "drag bingo" fund-raising event to generate money for homosexual causes. Tammy Faye reportedly had lesbian sex with another "Christian" woman while married to her TV evangelist husband, Jim Bakker. (Note: Jim Bakker was himself a notorious closet homosexual.) (Photo: The Herald Sun, Jan. 6, 2004)

Left: The Episcopal Church recently elevated a gay activist, the "Reverend" Gene Robinson, to the high position of Bishop. Robinson earlier had abandoned his wife and children and began shacking up with a homosexual lover. The Episcopal Church had no problem with his behavior and declared him a "man of God." (Photo: Newsweek, Nov. 17, 2003)

Serial Killers are Homosexuals

However, if you really want to know to what depths of degradation the homosexual lifestyle takes people, all you need to do is study the inner lives of the world's most dangerous criminals—serial killers. In his book, Violence and Homosexuality, Dr. Paul Cameron noted that the top serial killers were all homosexual: "The nexus between homosexuality and violence is notorious. We have motorcycle gangs, black leather boys and rough trade addicted to chains, torture, slaves, and sadism. Hitler rose on the backs of "Storm Troopers" led from the top by a gang of homosexuals headed by Ernst Roehm."

According to the Associated Press, as reported in Christian News newspaper (July 23, 2001 p. 3), the seven worst serial killers in the U.S.A. were all homosexual deviates:

o Donald Harvey - 37 murders o John Wayne Gacy - 33 murders o Patrick Kearney - 32 murders o Bruce Davis - 28 murders o Dean Corll, Elmer Wayne Henley, and David Owen Brooks - 27 murders

The monstrous conduct of these homo killers is almost beyond belief. John Wayne Gacy, the sadistic torturer and raper of 33 boys, dressed up as a circus clown to attract victims. "A clown can get away with murder," Gacy once boasted.

Jeffrey Dahmer, who was a satanist and a cannibal, homosexually raped and killed 17 boys and young men after slipping "knockout" pills in their drinks. He attempted to keep some alive as sex zombies, but they, too, died from his fiendish brain operations.

Mormons caught up in wave of pedophile accusations Catholic priests are not the only religious leaders molesting children today, as evidenced by this newspaper headline in the Houston Chronicle.

Why is it the controlled mass media never tells America these savage serial murderers are always homosexuals? Why do CBS, ABC, NBC, and all the others cover-up and consistently paint gays as gentle, loving, caring, and compassionate humanitarians? Is it not because most of the TV and news executives and broadcasters are themselves homosexual, bisexual perverts and weirdos?

The case of homo serial killer Andrew Cunanan is interesting in that most of Cunanan's victims were themselves gay men. Among the five men he killed in a cross-country spree was wealthy fashion designer Gianni Versace. Time magazine (April 5, 1999) commented that Cunanan was "a gregarious, wildly clever mythomaniac and petty thief in the kinky gay netherworld of alcohol, drugs, prostitution, and sadomasochism." Andrew Cunanan's torrent of death ended in 1997 in Miami Beach with the demon-possessed homosexual taking his own life.

Reliable sources tell us that Andrew Cunanan's rage was triggered when he was horribly abused at a Chicago mansion during a homo-satanic ritual at a gay "masquerade ball." Cunanan, a handsome but confused young man in his 20s, had been used as a sexual gigolo by an inner circle of rich, gay Illuminati adepts—he was passed around and used up like a mildewed sack of potatoes. Gianni Versace, a billionaire who had singer Elton John as one of the frequent live-ins at his luxurious residence, was reputed to be a figure in this inner circle of kinky Illuminist homosexuals.

Why are homosexuals almost uniformly so corrupt, evil, and wicked? The truth is that such men (and women) have spiritually been turned over to Satan. The scriptures declare that the grievous and damaging sin of homosexuality leads one straight to a reprobate mind. The world applauds and rewards the homosexual, but God brands this conduct as "vile," "unclean," "unnatural" (Romans 1:24-32) and an "abomination" (Leviticus 18:22; Deuteronomy 23:17-18; I Kings 14:24).

Thomas Jefferson- "Castrate Homosexuals!"

Thomas Jefferson, one of our nation's illustrious founders, was not, history records, a strong biblical Christian. Yet, as Governor of Virginia, in 1779 Jefferson introduced bills to punish homosexual sodomy with the penalty being banishment and castration. There is no record that anyone at the time accused Mr. Jefferson of bigotry or hatred. Americans back then were a great degree wiser than they are today.

Bill Clinton & Paul Tsongas

Then Arkansas Governor Bill Clinton and U.S. Senator Paul Tsongas (D-Mass) were Democratic presidential candidates in 1992. Like many other Democratic politicians, both were bisexual.

Today, no politician, no king, no man admired by the public dares to declare the homosexual what he is: a "sinful reprobate." If they were to do so, their heads would, figuratively, be immediately lopped off by the media, and their careers and reputations destroyed. However, the biblical Christian has no option but to tell the truth—that homosexuality is a vile abomination, for God Almighty has declared it. And who among all the world's powerful and famous can reasonably criticize His commandments? Who is so foolish as to even attempt to annul His decision?

Clinton Featured at http://www.gayheroes.com

"I am proud of the part that my Administration has played to achieve these goals. Today, more openly gay and lesbian individuals serve in senior posts throughout the Federal Government than during any other Administration." -President Bill Clinton, June 2nd, 2000

SEE I TOLD YOU SO

For years I have been warning the public about Hillary Clinton's penchant for lesbian proclivities; a precursor to her sadistic megalomaniac behaviors.

Now, after many years of public apprehension the controversy has been confirmed by insider sources and will soon be revealed to the public.

According to a published article in the March 28 issue of a prominent magazine the "GLOBE," "reliable sources will soon release a shocking list of Hillary's lesbian lovers from the past and including the present." According to reliable sources the list includes:

* A beauty in her early 30s who often travels with Hillary. * A popular TV and movie star. * The daughter of a top government official. * A stunning model who got a career boost after sleeping with Hillary. * President Clinton's former lover, Gennifer Flowers writes in her book "Passion & Betrayal" of Bill confessing to her that Hillary sleeps with more woman than he does. * The famous commentator Jack Wheeler writes: "My sources indicate that Hillary is bisexual and fools around more than her husband." He also credits Hillary for being the force behind the "White House's homosexual agenda." * According to the insiders report, Hillary had sex with women during her college days at Wellesly College.

SO NOW YOU KNOW THE REST OF THE STORY

President Clinton's former mistress Gennifer Flowers (left) claims Bill told her Hillary was a lesbian. Rumors have swirled about Hillary's relationship with cabinet member Donna Shalala (center) and New York Lawyer Susan Thomases.

A show of hands: Hillary signals her support of gay rights at a rally in New York. 'My sources indicate Hillary is bisexual and fools around much more than her husband'

-Political Commentator Jack Wheeler

Will Hillary be the first female president? Many think so. If so, will she announce to the world that she is a homosexual lesbian after securing the Office of President? The reality of such wickedness is upon America today. Expect a pack of lies from Senator Clinton if she does run for the Presidency. FOX News has already by trying to whitewash Hillary by claiming that she's actually starting to move towards the "right" concerning abortion and other issues. Don't you believe it! Hillary is as left as they come, a Jezebel in disguise. --FOCUS--

When trying to dissertate the imposing lesbian threat to our culture, the most frustrating conundrum I face is persuading heterosexuals not to-do not focus one's attention and displeasure with their sex acts. Surprising as it may seem, this one short-fall is the Trojan-horse for the lesbian takeover. This is exactly their weasel: To keep the heterosexual mind in shock about their sex acts and all the while slithering their way into high government positions, court systems, universities and large private corporations. (stealing billions along the way) For this very reason, I urge the reader to not fall into their "smoke and mirror" trap; but, concentrate on how Hillary's lesbian addiction propels her mental psychoses into rage and hatred against the American people and even herself. A factor of grave concern, making Hillary and Janet Reno the two most dangerous persons on the face of this earth.

No...You don't know the rest of the story, but stay tuned on how her "evil empire" intends to overthrow America... However, foremost and above all , start asking questions, it's your duty to God.

Steve Lashuk

Hillary Gets Gay Endorsements

The Associated Press - Thursday July 27, 2000

NEW YORK (AP) - Hillary Rodham Clinton's Senate campaign won the endorsement of two gay advocacy organizations Thursday, the Empire State Pride Agenda and the Washington-based Human Rights Campaign.

"Mrs. Clinton is the clear leader on every single issue of importance to the lesbian and gay community," said Tim Sweeney of the Empire State Pride Agenda during a news conference on the steps of City Hall.

Clinton was cited for her support of civil unions providing legal recognition for gay couples; for favoring homosexuals being allowed to serve openly in the military; for supporting laws against hate-crimes; and for backing abortion rights.

Another organization, Housing Works, which provides housing for homeless people with AIDS, defended Lazio, pointing out his support for funding for housing and jobs for AIDS patients. "Lazio has real achievements in the area of HIV/AIDS," the group said.

END

"Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them."

-Romans 1:24-32

God help us!

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#22. To: A K A Stone (#0)

Homosexuality Is A Sin!

I can understand if they were sucked into it, but what if they were born that way?

82Marine89  posted on  2005-11-23   22:43:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#132. To: 82Marine89 (#22)

"...what if they were born that way?"

If it's genetic, how is the gene passed to the next generation?

wakeup  posted on  2005-11-26   0:53:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#133. To: wakeup (#132)

If it's genetic, how is the gene passed to the next generation?

Why do I have black hair and olive skin while my brother and four sisters are fair haired and fair skinned? Genetics?

82Marine89  posted on  2005-11-26   1:59:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#152. To: 82Marine89 (#133)

"If it's genetic, how is the gene passed to the next generation?"

(response) "Why do I have black hair and olive skin while my brother and four sisters are fair haired and fair skinned? Genetics?"

Allow me to clarify. Homosexuals do not reproduce and create offspring. How is the gene passed to the next generation if there are no children?

wakeup  posted on  2005-11-26   13:03:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#158. To: wakeup (#152)

Homosexuals do not reproduce and create offspring.

I will tell folks I know who are homosexual and did just that you think they don't reproduce. Their kids will find it hilarious that they don't exist.

mirage  posted on  2005-11-26   16:17:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#160. To: mirage (#158)

Homosexuals do not reproduce and create offspring.

Read carefully what he said bigot. There is an "s" at the end. So he is correct. Homos don't reproduce.

A K A Stone  posted on  2005-11-26   17:44:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#161. To: A K A Stone (#160)

Read carefully what he said bigot. There is an "s" at the end. So he is correct. Homos don't reproduce.

Bigot? Excuse me? You owe me an apology.

Well, I've seen kids who are proof that said people do. I don't know where you've been.

mirage  posted on  2005-11-26   18:40:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#169. To: mirage (#161)

Bigot? Excuse me? You owe me an apology.

Well you sometimes come across as an anti christian one.

A K A Stone  posted on  2005-11-26   19:01:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#224. To: A K A Stone (#169)

Well you sometimes come across as an anti christian one.

And you appear to hate gays, Catholics, or anyone who disagrees with your doctrinal stance. What was that about motes and beams?

I just despise hypocrisy and ignorance and where I see it, I attempt to correct it. If that makes me a bigot, so be it. If "Christians" are as ignorant of history and the multiple facets and denominations within their own religion as they are showing, then they deserve to be rebuked and corrected.

mirage  posted on  2005-11-26   20:32:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#232. To: mirage (#224)

And you appear to hate gays, Catholics, or anyone who disagrees with your doctrinal stance. What was that about motes and beams?

No I don't hate them. I love everyone.

A K A Stone  posted on  2005-11-26   20:46:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#392. To: A K A Stone (#232)

No I don't hate them. I love everyone.

Then why do you condemn them? That isn't loving them.

Besides, how can you claim that the Catholic Church "perverted" Scripture when you use what they left to you? Doesn't your statement also say that you use "perverted" Scripture?

How can you go after and lie about homosexuals and not expect a counter-attack? You don't have a monopoly on bad behavior and people are getting sick of being ordered around by a bunch of fundies. Its your religion, its your rules. You live with it and YOU go to hell.

See, bashing without providing anything to back it up (remember, I deal only in facts) makes you and your group look like a pack of idiots. Is it any wonder that people take you to task over such things?

mirage  posted on  2005-11-27   17:19:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#393. To: mirage (#392)

Its your religion, its your rules. You live with it and YOU go to hell.

I don't know why you're getting upset. As far as I can tell nobody bashed gay people. The article just said that homosexuality is a sin. That is not bashing homosexuals IMO anyway.

maybe go over to this thread here with url below. Join the Marines - get naked and frolic with other men - have fun.

http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=15574

But I highlighted this quote above to make a serious point. You have free will, our creator gave us free will - says so in the bible. you can choose the life god serves up to you - or you can reject it - your choice. This is a choice for all of us to make.

I mean if you don't want to believe in the things the bible says, then why do you get upset that others do? Can't you just disagree? You feel very strongly that a choice of a man to be a homosexual is a legitimate choice, but if a person takes seriously the bible, then you say that is an illegitimate choice to believe in the bible - otherwise you wouldn't be upset at the simple asssertion that homosexuality is a sin.

or maybe you think it is OK for people to take the bible seriously, but illegitimate if they speak about it?

Red Jones  posted on  2005-11-27   17:42:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#436. To: Red Jones (#393)

or maybe you think it is OK for people to take the bible seriously, but illegitimate if they speak about it?

Not at all, if they realize that it is for them and it is not their right to impose their beliefs on everyone else.

It is illegitimate for people to speak about it *when* they don't know their own religion well enough to be able to speak honestly and truthfully about it. Most people who take things very seriously don't know the history of their own religion, where they got it from, or anything else. Thus, they are so ill-informed that they actually have no right to claim authority, yet they do. This I know from experience. Most apologetic arguments that people are using are so flimsy that even Barnum would have shied away from them. They may convince people with weak analytical skills, but mostly, they are smoke, mirrors, and BS.

Therein lies the problem. Most people who take things far too seriously are so ill-informed that they simply wind up looking like idiots. Is that a good thing? Does that do any good or does it make them, their sect, and their beliefs look utterly silly? Does going out and complaining about a particular group of people and then being shocked when that group launches a counterattack make them look intelligent or stupid?

Most so-called Christians don't have the knowledge they need to speak intelligently about their beliefs. What I've been doing is challenging the knowledge holes. Nothing wrong with that; it exposes that they don't know enough to be able to claim authority.

mirage  posted on  2005-11-28   12:08:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#437. To: mirage (#436)

if they realize that it is for them and it is not their right to impose their beliefs on everyone else.

nobody's imposing anything. you have free will. you can believe what you want. merely stating your beliefs is not imposing your beliefs on others. it is ridiculous to think so.

Red Jones  posted on  2005-11-28   12:13:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#442. To: Red Jones (#437)

nobody's imposing anything. you have free will. you can believe what you want. merely stating your beliefs is not imposing your beliefs on others. it is ridiculous to think so.

I disagree completely but I will qualify why I say this.

You are forthright in your beliefs and you make this statement. Others - most others - do not. They do not acknowledge that their way of doing things isn't for everyone and rather insist that people adopt their viewpoint. They can be quite persistant and even violent in attempting to do that.

This is the "Agree with me or burn in hell" approach that makes such people look like complete and utter morons and paints a picture of Fundamentalist Christians that they are absolute lunatics.

Once a person comes out and says "Agree with me or burn in hell" or, as I've seen here locally, Fundies hanging out in parish parking lots shouting and throwing things at the Catholics, then screaming "I'm so persecuted!" when they are hauled off - is this an attempt at imposition or is it acknowledging reality that people have free will? Is following a person around screaming obscenities at them because they do NOT want to deal with their little cult "stating your beliefs" or is it an attempt to impose them on others? Is out-and-out lying to people acceptable or does it demand a response? Is an attempt to rewrite history in order to promote a particular viewpoint honest or should it be responded to?

Is painting "BURN IN HELL" on the garage of a homosexual person "stating your beliefs" or is it harassment and (depending on the group) thinly veiled terrorism? Is putting a homosexual person in the hospital "stating your beliefs" or is it a criminal act? Is shooting a medical professional "stating your beliefs" or is it murder?

You'll probably note that I tend to stick to history because it is pretty much undebatable. Things happen at certain times, there are records, etc. There are people on this very system posting who think that the Russian Orthodox Church popped up before the Church in Jersusalem. There are others who think that the Catholics eat babies. There are some so-called Protestants who can't even articulate what it is they are protesting. This isn't hard stuff to deal with.

What do you think a proper response is? Mine is to attempt to educate people. What should I do? Fight fire with fire or try to deal with it in a more rational manner?

mirage  posted on  2005-11-28   13:24:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#443. To: mirage (#442)

What do you think a proper response is? Mine is to attempt to educate people. What should I do? Fight fire with fire or try to deal with it in a more rational manner?

in an effort to answer these questions - all I can tell you is that if you're frustrated with some of the christians, then I don't blame you - I'm frustrated wtih them also. the other thing I can tell you is that I wish I had extreme knowledge of the bible and unlimited patience and ability to focus my mind so that I could better teach and show people.

I think the majority of organized christian churches are discredited. I think no demographic group supports this war and supports bush more than the preachers who get paid to preach by organized churches. the bible says very bad things about the preachers in the end-times who run churches for money. This discredits that whole group in my mind and in many minds.

I still hold the line on the bible and think that it is word of god. this is god's weapon, his words. we should get to know it. I am remiss in not knowing it as well as I should.

but I feel sorry for people who (like Christine described) may have biological reasons that drive them towards sexual irregularities like homosexuality. I don't think the world's a better place for campaigning against them and blaming them or scapegoating them.

Red Jones  posted on  2005-11-28   13:39:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#444. To: Red Jones (#443)

but I feel sorry for people who (like Christine described) may have biological reasons that drive them towards sexual irregularities like homosexuality. I don't think the world's a better place for campaigning against them and blaming them or scapegoating them.

Don't be surprised, but I have some cousins who fall into that camp. I've spoken to their analysts and done a LOT of research into it. Also lived in the Bay Area for a decade and one can't help but notice - things - there and that makes one curious so I went and researched it.

Christine is right. Current research is leading toward hormone problems and other things beyond the individual's control. Since I've been afflicted with having to deal with Fundies for the last 20 years or so, I've grown an encyclopediac knowledge of the Bible and can actually deal with them on that level. I know the history, I know the various theologies, and other stuff. I spent a lot of time helping friends and relatives deal with things and try to use "the right method for the right situation with the right person" - but its all based on the same knowledge base. Its just getting people to be able to deal with things and be able to fend off morons quickly.

Calvinism is a good weapon to use when confronting said people. If we're all God's Children, and certain things (according to the Bible at least) were fore-ordained, and, as was said in Genesis, after the creation, God said "It is good" - and we know that homosexuals have been around forever - then *my* way of explaining it is this:

Let them be unless they get in your face. Practice the Golden Rule, because it certainly works faithfully in reverse as well. Get to understand them as you wish them to understand you.

There is not a *single* homosexual person I know who *likes* being gay. All of them have terrible problems, but, have eventually had to accept that this is how they were made.

If one looks at Paul, one has to note that Paul was a Pharisee, which means he wanted a strict adherence to certain things. Paul was pretty much unable to see past his own food dish in a number of areas and one has to take that into account when reading his letters. God did not write the Bible; men wrote the Bible. When Paul says "I, Paul, say..." then you have a clear indication that Paul is speaking for himself.

Now, if we're all God's Children, and God "knew them in the womb" then God made them gay! I can cite dozens of "the plan from the beginning" verses to back that up as well.

There are also a lot of forgeries and edits in the NT as well as a lot of clear contradictions, nonquotes, misquotes, and other issues. My way of dealing with it is to say this:

The Bible is 100% true in that it teaches religious truth. All other items (including interpretation) are debatable and it is not to be taken literally or as being 100% scientific or historically accurate.

I stand on that.

You will note that I say "so-called Christian" a lot. That means that there are a lot of people who think they are Christians but aren't. They don't get it. There are very few people who actually understand the history of Christianity, the times it grew up in, how it evolved, etc.

I think the majority of Christian Churches and Preachers are only in business to stay in business and perpetuate themselves. I also think that while the Catholic Church rightfully is criticized for many things, they're the best of the lot simply because they *learn* from their goofs and, as my family has done, you can challenge them and back them off when they are in the wrong. No "Bible Church" would ever let you do that.

As for end-times, that gets into a discussion of history and what people were thinking at the time. Quick summary: The "end-times" have been here since 29AD or so. I do not believe they are coming. I can give you a list of items if you want to look into it yourself; I'll send that in a private message if you like.

That being said, I am basically an agnostic who thinks that Christianity has a lot to offer, but people are completely misusing and misreading it. I had to leave and look at things from the outside to really understand it.

mirage  posted on  2005-11-28   14:00:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#447. To: mirage (#444)

As for end-times, that gets into a discussion of history and what people were thinking at the time. Quick summary: The "end-times" have been here since 29AD or so. I do not believe they are coming. I can give you a list of items if you want to look into it yourself; I'll send that in a private message if you like.

Actually sooner.. what Jesus was referencing was the end of the old covenant not the end of the world.

Zipporah  posted on  2005-11-28   15:11:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#448. To: Zipporah (#447)

Actually sooner.. what Jesus was referencing was the end of the old covenant not the end of the world.

That is very possible.

Or it can be taken as "apocalype = end of evil" as folks in the first century took it. There are a lot of interpretations and reinterpretations and such out there. Personally, I *much prefer* to dig into history and align with what people were thinking at the time as much as is possible.

One has to take Revelation into account as well as some oddball Gospel predictions that either didn't come to pass as expected or are just goofy and try to make sense of it. The second coming didn't happen "in glory" during the lifetime of the apostles as foretold. Paul was expecting it and had to re-assure followers that it would - eventually - happen.

It didn't happen as was expected, but that hasn't kept people from trying to plot it out or cry "rapture!" which isn't likely to happen either, even if you take things very seriously.

Hmmm, maybe I should post my research openly and open it for debate. What do you think?

mirage  posted on  2005-11-28   15:45:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#450. To: mirage (#448)

One has to take Revelation into account as well as some oddball Gospel predictions that either didn't come to pass as expected or are just goofy and try to make sense of it. The second coming didn't happen "in glory" during the lifetime of the apostles as foretold.

Thats not true. Chapter and verse please.

A K A Stone  posted on  2005-11-28   17:36:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#452. To: A K A Stone (#450)

Thats not true. Chapter and verse please.

Are you sure you want me to give you a list of some select contradictions and select false prophecies?

mirage  posted on  2005-11-28   17:53:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#456. To: mirage (#452)

Are you sure you want me to give you a list of some select contradictions and select false prophecies?

Quit stalling. Just because you don't understand them doesn't mean they are contradictions or false prophecies. What about the mark of the beast. Enjoy it, it seems to be your destiny.

A K A Stone  posted on  2005-11-28   18:21:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#457. To: A K A Stone (#456)

You're wasting your time with Mirage. She radiates hate and willful neglect from her very core.

Pearls, pigs, etc.

Jhoffa_  posted on  2005-11-28   18:22:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#459. To: Jhoffa_, A K A Stone (#457)

You're wasting your time with Mirage. She radiates hate and willful neglect from her very core.

I didn't know I was female either.

I guess there is a lot of ignorance out there.

As for hate - what hate? All I see is hate directed at me that I have to deal with and I'm tired of holding up mirrors to people so they can see themselves in them.

Willful neglect? Dubious. I do more research than anyone else I know.

mirage  posted on  2005-11-28   18:27:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#460. To: mirage (#459)

No, you just write like a whiney little girl.

Jhoffa_  posted on  2005-11-28   18:28:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#462. To: Jhoffa_ (#460)

No, you just write like a whiney little girl.

Thanks for the compliment. Might I say you're quite a peach yourself :)

mirage  posted on  2005-11-28   18:33:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#464. To: mirage (#462)

You're welcome..

If you ever want to actually talk (As opposed to toss bombs or play gotcha) ping me.

If not, don't.

Jhoffa_  posted on  2005-11-28   18:42:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#466. To: Jhoffa_ (#464)

If you ever want to actually talk (As opposed to toss bombs or play gotcha) ping me.

*chuckle* Well, we could discuss blowback :-)

When there is something entertaining as opposed to dull, I will certainly drop a line. If you'd like to discuss blowback, that's fine as well.

mirage  posted on  2005-11-28   19:25:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#467. To: mirage (#466)

In the context of the current conversation, the FCC may intervene.

Jhoffa_  posted on  2005-11-28   19:26:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#475. To: Jhoffa_ (#467)

In the context of the current conversation, the FCC may intervene.

I was thinking more in terms of Group A goes after Group B, Group B counterattacks Group A and then there's a big "What happenned?"

Kinda like the Iraq War. Blowback in terms of bombings and whatnot.

mirage  posted on  2005-11-28   19:55:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#476. To: mirage (#475)

But I didn't go after you.. You went after everyone else.

Look, Homosexuality is a sin as defined by scripture. So's a million other things.

Further, I'm in NO POSITION to become 4um's resident preacher. I don't have the disposition for it and I'd get struck by lightning regardless.

Even further, I'm in no position to judge.. and I don't.

Trust me, the "better than you" argument won't work for me. as such, I won't make it. Regardless and ironically, I do have a very good understanding of Christian theology.

All I ask is that if you wish to converse on this subject, don't toss bombs or shreik like a harpie.

I'm perfectly capable of answering you with as much respect as you afford me and others.

Jhoffa_  posted on  2005-11-28   20:03:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#477. To: Jhoffa_ (#476)

But I didn't go after you.. You went after everyone else.

Hold the phone here. You're jumping ahead of things. Let's back up a bit.

One person's religion is not necessarily another's. Can we agree on that?

That's the place to start. We can go forward from there.

mirage  posted on  2005-11-28   20:14:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#478. To: mirage (#477)

Sure... And homosexuality, and the agenda that accompanies it, isn't necessarily a religious issue.

There's allot of secular reasons to oppose this, and tons to oppose it being codified in law.

Jhoffa_  posted on  2005-11-28   20:17:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#502. To: Jhoffa_ (#478)

Sure... And homosexuality, and the agenda that accompanies it, isn't necessarily a religious issue.

This is true. No disagreement there.

However, to understand this, one needs to go back in time a bit. Who fired the first shots in this conflict? Where did the "agenda" come from? How has it evolved? Why is it *now* getting militant? Why can't people get along? Do people not understand that homosexuals have always been around and always will be? Do homosexuals not understand that they are outside the norm?

Unfortunately, too many people don't understand that this is an action/reaction thing that is escalating beyond where it should be - and will not calm down until people on either side of this argument stop blindly firing shots at each other.

I lived in the Bay Area for a long time and I've seen this up close and personal. Its not pretty. There are (basically) two groups in conflict and BOTH groups are behaving badly and BOTH groups need to be slapped silly and told to just knock off the sniping, sit down, and figure out how to live with each other.

Likewise, people protesting the Gay Pride Parade in SF have helped turn it into a circus. What was once a fairly calm event that most people ignored has become an uncontrolled near-riot that now makes the national news. Why is that? Is it just action/reaction or is there something else?

There was a city council meeting in San Francisco where a group of Baptists stood up and spent their time really just insulting the gays - and when it was the Gay Lobby's turn, they spent their time insulting the Baptists. Both the Baptists and the Homosexual lobby there *literally* spat on each other right in the middle of City Hall.

That did not need to happen, yet it did. Is it a sign that things are escalating out of control or is it an expression of pure hate and malice?

This is not going to get resolved until people on both sides of the debate start behaving like rational individuals instead of children, IMO. What sayest thou?

mirage  posted on  2005-11-28   20:38:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#510. To: mirage (#502)

Moi?

I say it's a sin defined by scripture. Explicitly.

However, do it if you will.. Sin is sin, whatever.

What I won't accept is a demand that I accept it as normal or virtuous.

I don't believe that and I don't want it taught to my children.

The crux of the entire arguement used to be "Get the government out of our bedrooms!"

Which seems reasonable.

However it has now developed a bi-polar flavor and becomes contradictory: "Well, okay.. then bring them in if it involves special rights for our sexual behavior! Then shut them right back out again, as it's none of anyones business!"

Jhoffa_  posted on  2005-11-28   20:47:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#515. To: Jhoffa_ (#510)

What I won't accept is a demand that I accept it [homosexuality] as normal or virtuous.
...
The crux of the entire arguement used to be "Get the government out of our bedrooms!"
...
However it has now developed a bi-polar flavor and becomes contradictory: "Well, okay.. then bring them in if it involves special rights for our sexual behavior! Then shut them right back out again, as it's none of anyones business!"

Then we're basically on the same page, believe it or not.

However, as I see things, there is an escalating fight brewing into screams of discrimination, which is thus turning into a call for protection and special rights.

Thus, the genie is out of the bottle and is not likely to go back in, sadly.

If things like the Gay Pride Parade and whatnot were ignored, that would likely go a long way toward defusing the powderkeg.

Gay Marriage could be defused by getting Government out of the marriage business entirely. Why they are involved in the first place is un-understandable; it is a place for the Churches to be, not the Government. That would be a win-win for everyone involved, would it not, or am I oversimplifying?

mirage  posted on  2005-11-28   20:57:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#519. To: mirage (#515)

So far as churches go, it would make perfect sense..

As there are two marriages.

The Christian marriage (the one I believe in) implies rules and religious context upon the participants. In short, it's "by the book"

The State's marriage is another matter entirely.. It's contractural.

Jhoffa_  posted on  2005-11-28   21:03:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#523. To: Jhoffa_ (#519)

So far as churches go, it would make perfect sense..

You'd have the Unitarians running wild, but that would give people a place to go.

So, getting Government out of things would solve many of the problems. An alternative solution I've pondered is simply "civil unions for all" and let people register themselves with Government if they need to.

It just seems that things are so far out of control that a draconian solution is needed.

mirage  posted on  2005-11-28   21:14:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#525. To: mirage (#523)

PS: This is something I would expect you to agree on..

Marriage is more than a paper filed in a court.

Secular, or otherwise.. It reduces our relationships to numbers and filecards.

Jhoffa_  posted on  2005-11-28   21:19:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#530. To: Jhoffa_ (#525)

Marriage is more than a paper filed in a court.

You have my absolute agreement on that. Having been an unwilling participant in an 18-year court-battle-divorce that my parents went through, I agree with you more than you can possibly imagine.

mirage  posted on  2005-11-28   22:10:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#539. To: mirage (#530)

My parents are the Cleavers in word and deed.. My father is an Elder and there exists no man for whom I have more respect and who has more integrity.

He's not a fire and brimstone guy.. He's plesant, mild.. Very understated and worthy of respect.

If he found a million bucks cash, you could count the seconds before he showed up at the police station to turn it all in, just because it's the right thing to do.

I'd bet my life on it..

Truly an excellent role model. I couldn't have designed more perfect parents.

(Which doesn't speak well of me, but regardless)

Perhaps our backgrounds make the difference?

Jhoffa_  posted on  2005-11-28   22:17:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#552. To: Jhoffa_ (#539)

Perhaps our backgrounds make the difference?

Quite probably :)

If I found the money, I would turn it in and you could count the seconds. In fact, I've done that, but with smaller amounts and wallets.

The old saw "Let your conscience be your guide" is alive and well here. I also try to live by the Golden Rule and understand that it also works faithfully in reverse. The world is not black and white entirely; very few things actually are. The rest of it is a tradeoff - what is the greater good or the lesser evil? Many shades of gray exist and not everything is as clear as it once was.

Anyhow, that's what runs through mirage's brain. If you would like more background, I am happy to provide.

mirage  posted on  2005-11-28   22:29:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#557. To: mirage (#552)

The world is not black and white entirely

Yeah there are also mexicans, chinese, indians and lots more.

A K A Stone  posted on  2005-11-28   22:37:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#577. To: A K A Stone, Diana, Zipporah (#557)

Diana & Zipporah - I hope this isn't too base this bit below because below are the results of a search for 'fornication' in the bible. Since it seems a popular topic on this thread & others.

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2Ch 21:11 Moreover he made high places in the mountains of Judah, and caused the inhabitants of Jerusalem to commit fornication, and compelled Judah [thereto].

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Isa 23:17 And it shall come to pass after the end of seventy years, that the LORD will visit Tyre, and she shall turn to her hire, and shall commit fornication with all the kingdoms of the world upon the face of the earth.

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Eze 16:26 Thou hast also committed fornication with the Egyptians thy neighbours, great of flesh; and hast increased thy whoredoms, to provoke me to anger.

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Eze 16:29 Thou hast moreover multiplied thy fornication in the land of Canaan unto Chaldea; and yet thou wast not satisfied herewith.

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Mat 5:32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.

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Mat 19:9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except [it be] for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

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Jhn 8:41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, [even] God.

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Act 15:20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and [from] fornication, and [from] things strangled, and [from] blood.

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Act 15:29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

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Act 21:25 As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written [and] concluded that they observe no such thing, save only that they keep themselves from [things] offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication.

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Rom 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

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1Cr 5:1 It is reported commonly [that there is] fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.

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1Cr 6:13 Meats for the belly, and the belly for meats: but God shall destroy both it and them. Now the body [is] not for fornication, but for the Lord; and the Lord for the body.

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1Cr 6:18 Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.

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1Cr 7:2 Nevertheless, [to avoid] fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.

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1Cr 10:8 Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.

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2Cr 12:21 [And] lest, when I come again, my God will humble me among you, and [that] I shall bewail many which have sinned already, and have not repented of the uncleanness and fornication and lasciviousness which they have committed.

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Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are [these]; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

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Eph 5:3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;

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Col 3:5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:

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1Th 4:3 For this is the will of God, [even] your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication:

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Jud 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

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Rev 2:14 But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication.

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Rev 2:20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.

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Rev 2:21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.

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Rev 9:21 Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.

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Rev 14:8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.

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Rev 17:2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.

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Rev 17:4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

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Rev 18:3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.

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Rev 18:9 And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning,

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Rev 19:2 For true and righteous [are] his judgments: for he hath judged the great whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand

just for the sake of conversation & interest I posted above the results of a search at BLB Word Search web site

http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/words.pl? word=fornication&page=1

I did a search for 'fornication' because I was looking for one verse in revelation. I am astounded that the vast majority of references for this word come from the book of Revelation. One book out of 66 books in the bible has the word 'fornication' something like a third of the time. I think the reason the word is not mentioned in the early old testament books at all is because in those early books they use much more dainty language when they describe such things.

Red Jones  posted on  2005-11-28   22:51:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#609. To: All (#577)

As I said I was most interested in revelation 18:3. For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies. the kings of the earth are corrupted as with fornication with babylon. That describes a New World Order paradigm of today.

I tell you (and I know some of you think I'm nuts on this) every verse in revelation with this word in it is blaming the end-times system known as babylon and those who have enabled it. I was interested in the verses that imply babylon uses fornication as a tool both to corrupt the kings of the earth, but also the people in general as a means of ruling and as a value system as well. This is the babylon we see in hollywood, in new york in las vegas in washington dc in america in the world.

Face it, we've seen what hollywood does. We've seen what the synagoge of satan has done in hollywood as well. Do a search for 'synagogue of satan' and see those verses also in revelation. One of the characteristics of the beast that rules in the end times is that it (the beast) does whatever it pleases. Those who rule over us, but behind the scenes pulling the strings of politicians and armies, these people do just as they please. They make money of artificial value and use it to rule the world. it says right in revelation that one of the characteristics of the beast that rules is that it controls treasuries. It says this beast oppreseses the poor worldwide and that nobody is able to war on this beast. It says the beast rises from the sea. Some take that literally, I feel it means that the beast (system that rules) rises from the law of the sea. 'law of the sea' is a legal term. It means mercantile law made between leaders of nations for reasons of commerce & profit. The beast rises from the 'law of the sea' legal tradition.

When the verses above speak in revelation - they are speaking to the whore of babylon. the 'whore of babylon' is a metaphor for the nation that hosts babylon. That is our nation. I do not advocate that we blame ourselves or our nation or each other. But that is our nation the bible is speaking of. We are the greatest of the nations, and it has happened to us, that when god decided to let evil rule us, then evil did rule us. If our nation was overtaken by the evil of babylon and used as such, then surely any of the other nations would've succombed even faster than our nation has under such an attack. that our people are resourceful and resilient today only works to babylon's favor. But god will destroy babylon in one hour's time. He will do so as he said by leading 10 kingdoms to rebel against it and defeat it totally and utterly in one hour's time. This is a message for us. Revelation is a story of the end season (I know zipp has different interpretation).

There are many interesting interpretations of many different parts of the bible. It is difficult to interpret the bible accurately and reliably. We should be willing though to listen to different interpretations.

I feel that our nation has much more so than any other nation in world history brought forth the fruits of god. Jesus said (in matthew) that he will take his blessing from the jews of old testament times and give it to the nation that brings forth the fruits of god. Anyone who knows America knows that it has been a very special nation with tremendous good and prosperity and justice even for the common ordinary person. and our nation had many other very good qualities as well. The french had a phrase - 'american magic'. with all these blessings we still allowed babylon to rule and not just to rule us, but to rule the world. babylon does not bring forth the fruits of god. It corrupts & destroys, it oppresses the poor. It brings destruction to the earth and disease to the people. It puts the people of the earth under the spell of sorcery (which in greek language can mean drugs). we were blessed and we allowed the world to be taken like this.

Therefore, I say to you we are guilty. guilty of sin.

I think the title on this article above is provocative and that bothers people. It's just a title. Sticks & stones ... ...

Red Jones  posted on  2005-11-28   23:31:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#613. To: Red Jones (#609)

Do you think America is mystery Babylon?

A K A Stone  posted on  2005-11-28   23:35:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#617. To: A K A Stone (#613)

Do you think America is mystery Babylon?

that is a very good question.

I think that this ruling system babylon is empowered by the 1913 law enabling federal reserve. That whole system of ruling (new world order) was empowered and kicked off and financed with that law. Now I prefer to distinguish between those who rule and the American nation. There is a big difference between the United States and the American nation. And I also believe there is a difference between the United States and Babylon. Babylon rules over the US is how I prefer to think about it. And I prefer not to think that the American nation is babylon. But babylon rules here and we host and empower babylon.

This may be in the early stages of babylon's rule. And you know in god's time a day is as a thousand years.

But perhaps america is babylon, we are at a minimum the host nation for babylon.

Red Jones  posted on  2005-11-28   23:40:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#619. To: Red Jones (#617)

Why do you think that God considering the thousands of years of history since Revelation was written.. be referring to the United States.. consider all of the evil that has been perpretrated by men across the centuries.. why not about world communism? Is not the bible about our spiritual state? Not the physical?

Zipporah  posted on  2005-11-28   23:49:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#634. To: Zipporah (#619)

As AKA Stone said - I think today's world is described in revelation. that's my view on it.

I think it's interesting that Bush & NWO friends congregate in Bohemian Grove for the things they do. Those religious practices I believe come from what was one day long ago ancient babylon. but they are practiced in modern babylon by the leaders, the rulers. not by the masses of people, by the rulers instead.

Red Jones  posted on  2005-11-29   0:05:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#636. To: Red Jones (#634)

I think it's interesting that Bush & NWO friends congregate in Bohemian Grove for the things they do. Those religious practices I believe come from what was one day long ago ancient babylon. but they are practiced in modern babylon by the leaders, the rulers. not by the masses of people, by the rulers instead.

When the tower of Babel was being built. There were many "races" building it. Today the U.S. has many "races". I just find that interesting.

A K A Stone  posted on  2005-11-29   0:06:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#643. To: A K A Stone (#636)

yes there are interpretations of verses in different books of the bible that babylon of the end-times is to have a diverse population whose people come from around the world.

Red Jones  posted on  2005-11-29   0:11:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#645. To: Red Jones (#643)

One question.. have you ever studied what is the orthodox intrepretation of Revelation? Or are your beliefs from modern scholars?

Zipporah  posted on  2005-11-29   0:12:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#646. To: Zipporah (#645)

One question.. have you ever studied what is the orthodox intrepretation of Revelation? Or are your beliefs from modern scholars?

We should rely on the holy spirit.

A K A Stone  posted on  2005-11-29   0:14:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#648. To: A K A Stone (#646)

We should rely on the holy spirit.

Apparently you're listening to men rather than the HS..

Zipporah  posted on  2005-11-29   0:14:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#651. To: Zipporah (#648)

Apparently you're listening to men rather than the HS.

That may be true in some instances. Im not perfect, for sure. But what if those men are empowered by the holy spirit.

A K A Stone  posted on  2005-11-29   0:16:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#655. To: A K A Stone (#651)

That may be true in some instances. Im not perfect, for sure. But what if those men are empowered by the holy spirit.

No one is .. But what if they are not.. the ideas that you are entertaining are purely political in nature and they go began with Cyrus Scofield.. and John Darby.. its political..far from spiritual.

Zipporah  posted on  2005-11-29   0:20:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#657. To: Zipporah (#655)

No one is .. But what if they are not.. the ideas that you are entertaining are purely political in nature and they go began with Cyrus Scofield.. and John Darby.. its political..far from spiritual.

Well im no fan of Scofield. But that doesn't mean everything he interpreted was incorrect.

A K A Stone  posted on  2005-11-29   0:21:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#659. To: A K A Stone (#657)

Well im no fan of Scofield. But that doesn't mean everything he interpreted was incorrect.

Well what you are saying basically is born from Scofield and Darby.. what they did was distort the scripture for political reasons..

Zipporah  posted on  2005-11-29   0:24:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#663. To: Zipporah (#659)

What would the political fruit be of naming America Babylon?

A K A Stone  posted on  2005-11-29   0:26:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#664. To: A K A Stone (#663)

Sorry but I think you're a freakin' NUT to be trying to prove that homosexuality is the root of all heinous crime (that's what you said in so many words)... and I also think that you spend entirely TOO MUCH TIME worrying about what others do in their private lives...

In fact, if I believed in your kind of nonsense, I'd have to say that wasting SO MUCH time judging others is a very serious sin... After all, you COULD be serving supper to Jesus's brethren in a soup kitchen or preachin' in airports to convert even more lowly sinners to your views of God. Hey, talk is cheap. Whatchoo do that REALLY matters to God? She won't be too happy with you if all you manage to do is focus on what you think OTHER people are doing that is sinful...

btw, do you secretly wish you could do these naughty things with other men? Most folks with this much concern about homos do ya know. Sad, but true. Iffen I was you, I'd be scared. With all those terrible things you said about them, it'd be a real tragedy to realize someday that you do so wish that you were one of them... You'd better get a prayer line going for you cause you're gonna need it... I could name off a gadzillion folks who this very same thing happened to. I'm afraid that you're doomed AKA...

siagiah  posted on  2005-11-29   1:15:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#665. To: siagiah (#664)

I never said homosexuality is the root of every heinous crime. That's stupid. Also God is a male. Your hatred of morals is immoral and disgusting. That's right you disgust me.

A K A Stone  posted on  2005-11-29   8:03:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#681. To: A K A Stone (#665)

ROFLMAO... and I care what you think? ummm, yeah right...

btw, God is FEMALE. AAAAAAND, I challenge you to PROVE otherwise...

Also, UNDERSTAND THIS: the bible is NOT acceptable proof; One has to BELIEVE in it for it to have an OUNCE of authority, without BELIEF, it's a mere fairy tale believed in by millions... In FACT, it's NO DIFFERENT THAN THE KORAN or any other written book of HUMAN BELIEFS... Sad to say, it's actually no more authoritative than the voices sometimes heard in some people's heads... WHY? SIMPLE. It's all based on BELIEF and FAITH... and we all know as FACT, that BELIEVING IS NOT KNOWING... (belief is not knowledge) You'll have to do a whole lot better'n that to PROVE God is male... If you can manage that, the next challenge is to PROVE that a single word written in your assinine rant is even remotely accurate...

siagiah  posted on  2005-11-29   23:30:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#684. To: siagiah (#681)

In FACT, it's NO DIFFERENT THAN THE KORAN

Oh really.....You sure are ignorant. Willingly so.

A K A Stone  posted on  2005-11-29   23:37:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#687. To: A K A Stone (#684)

AKA, it's truly pathetic how you simply don't GET it... Belief is NOT knowledge, never was, never will be. If you don't realize that all that you spout are BELIEFS, then you're dumber than I first thought...

Most religious folks REALIZE that they BELIEVE, they don't KNOW... but they believe so strongly in their heart that it FEELS like knowing... However, when forced to see the obvious, most concede that they BELIEVE in God... They've never taken tea with her or chatted with her about how and why she made the world the way she did...

DUH... but hey, it's been fun laughing at you. If you weren't so hatefilled, I wouldn't laugh at you... but honestly, I *believe* that you are a phoney baloney chain yanker... and totally full of crap...

siagiah  posted on  2005-11-29   23:41:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#688. To: siagiah (#687)

AKA, it's truly pathetic how you simply don't GET it... Belief is NOT knowledge, never was, never will be. If you don't realize that all that you spout are BELIEFS, then you're dumber than I first thought...

Most religious folks REALIZE that they BELIEVE, they don't KNOW... but they believe so strongly in their heart that it FEELS like knowing... However, when forced to see the obvious, most concede that they BELIEVE in God... They've never taken tea with her or chatted with her about how and why she made the world the way she did...

DUH... but hey, it's been fun laughing at you. If you weren't so hatefilled, I wouldn't laugh at you... but honestly, I *believe* that you are a phoney baloney chain yanker... and totally full of crap...

Some people do not have ears to hear. That would be you. You have a hardened heart. Until you change your attitude, God wouldn't even hear your prayer if you wanted him to.

A K A Stone  posted on  2005-11-29   23:44:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#689. To: All (#688)

If you weren't so hatefilled

Your the one hatefilled. You hate God and things that are normal. I suspect you are a closeted faggot and this thread got to you. You care to come out of the closet.

A K A Stone  posted on  2005-11-29   23:45:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


Replies to Comment # 689.

#690. To: A K A Stone (#689)

Actually, I'm female, heterosexual, and I do NOT believe in God. However, I do not hate that which I do not BELIEVE in.

What do I BELIEVE? I am willing to entertain the existence of some kind of higher power that surely looks at humans as if we are complete and utter dolts... or the roosters of the universe... (roosters strut around like little gods, crow in the morning as if they personally cause the sun to rise, but are so damn stupid that they often drown in a rainstorm because they are too stupid to close their mouths.)

btw, LEARN English contractions already... Your is NOT the same as YOU'RE (you are) Gawd, it's not wonder you can't correctly interpret what you read in your book of fantasy~!!

siagiah  posted on  2005-11-29 23:53:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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