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Title: Homosexuality is a Sin
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The homosexual activist movement and organized pedophiles are linked together by a common goal: To gain access to children for seduction into homosexuality.
Serial killers, government tyrants, academic liberals, Catholic priests, politicians, Mormon Church higher-ups, Jewish rabbis, environmental extremists, communists, religious heretics, mass murderers, occultists, spies, and the Illuminati share something hideous and grotesque in common. Almost all are homo-sexual. Worse, most of the sick-minded men who comprise these demented social groups are not only homosexual, they practice the most kinky and perverted forms of sexual licentiousness-pedophilia, satanic bondage, physical torture, bisexuality, transvestitism, and even bestiality.
If you doubt this, I invite you to consider the wicked lives of some of these moral degenerates—men like Lenin, Mussolini, Hitler, Marx, Jim Jones, Alfred Kinsey, Michael Jackson, Jacques DeMolay, Bill Clinton, Jim Bakker, Jimmy Swaggart, Mick Jagger, Aleister Crowley, Hubert Humphrey, Paul Tsongas, Martin Luther King, Mario Cuomo, Rudy Giuliani, Jeffrey Dahmer, Richard Speck, and John Wayne Gacy.
Homosexuality in the Mystery Religions
In the ancient pagan Mystery Religions, homosexuality and pedophilia were popularized. Worshippers of Baal erected shrines and temples of male prostitution (I Kings 14). Roman Emperors Nero, Caligula, and Commodus engaged in incest, sex with boys, bondage, and a variety of evil crimes. So, too, did those in Pharaoh's court. Alexander the Great was a homosexual who loved little boys.
When the Spanish Conquistadors conquered Central America and the Yucatan in Mexico, they found that most native Indian priests were sodomites. In their pagan temples were sacred statues depicting gay sex acts. In Babylon, people sacrificed and prayed to gods and goddesses requesting sexual favors and carnal pleasures.
Seal of Knights Templar
Two versions of the official seal of the Knights Templar, precursors of the Freemasons. Note that in the version at right, the two riders carry a shield. But, in the other version of the seal (left), one's shield is gone and the knight has placed his hand in a most sensitive area of his body.
The Knights Templar and Baphomet
In the 14th century, a Catholic band of crusaders known as the Order of Knights Templar grew in power and riches. They and their leader, their Sovereign Grand Master, Frenchman Jacques DeMolay, built temples and tabernacles of worship. Only Knights Templar initiates could enter therein. Soon, reports spread of the grotesque and unseemly mode of worship of these depraved men. Their secret religion was based on worship of an androgynous (1/2 male, 1/2 female) satanic goat god named Baphomet.
In the Knights Templar rituals, a crucifix of Jesus was reviled and urinated on, and homosexual orgies were rumored. Strangely, the seal, or coat of arms, of the Order depicted two knights riding on one horse! Was this an emblem of their homosexual passion or, as the Templars protested, a statement of their "brotherly love?"
When the rumors and gossip of their antichrist activities reached a feverish pitch, the Kings of continental Europe were forced to move against the Order. Their Sovereign Grand Master, DeMolay, was tried, convicted and burned at the stake, their temples shut down. Amazingly, the Knights Templar survived, hiding out in Scotland and underground in Europe. Then, in the 1800s, they made a startling comeback in the new form of Freemasonry! Today, the Masonic youth group is even named the DeMolays. Bill Clinton, as a teenager, was a member of this organization. Baphomet
Baphomet, the half male, half female goat god of the Knights Templar, was revived by Eliphas Levi, the infamous 19th century Freemason and magician and reportedly is worshipped today by homosexual cults.
Communists, Homosexuality, and Perversion
Communism, as propounded by Satanist Karl Marx, was an offshoot of Templarism. As Jüri Lina documents in his sensational book, Under the Sign of the Scorpion, Vladimir Lenin, the communist monster who founded the bloody communist regime in Soviet Russia, frequented brothels and maintained three mistresses.
Laventi Beria, Stalin's decadent Chief of Secret Police, a man who arrested, tortured, imprisoned, and executed some 20 million innocent victims in Russia, was truly a heinous sex criminal. Beria would have his chauffeur drive him around Moscow in a limo evenings searching for a young girl or boy out walking alone. Then, Beria would order his security police to grab and kidnap the hapless youth. What horrible fate transpired to such victims I do not wish to recount here. Obviously, Stalin knew of Beria's evil criminality and had no objections.
Hitler & Mussolini enjoy a homoerotic exhibit
In 1937 at the House of German Art Museum, Nazi Führer Hitler and Italian dictator Mussolini enjoy a homoerotic exhibit—an immense statue of two naked muscular men holding hands. (For decency's sake, Power of Prophecy has blackened out the genital area of one of the naked men pictured)
The Pink Swastika
Hitler, Nazi founder, was similarly a sex pervert. As Chancellor, he carried on sexually with his 15-year-old niece, who killed herself rather than continue giving in to his bizarre and beastly sexual fetishes. As a young Bohemian streetwalker and "starving artist," the man who later would rule most of Europe sold his body to gay men.
Hitler is noted as a fanatical fan of Wagnerian operas. Less known is the fact that before he rose to become the Fuhrer, in the 1920s, Hitler sexually abused Richard Wagner's grandson, Wieland Wagner (Time magazine, August 15, 1994, p. 56).
Hitler, of course, was catapulted to power largely by the Brown Shirts (SA), a fascist youth organization led by and composed primarily of "butch" type homosexual militarists. The head of the thuggish Brown Shirts was Ernst Roehm, who was a notorious molester of young boys. Roehm was executed by Hitler after his sexual excesses became widely known.
As Scott Lively writes in his revealing book, The Pink Swastika-Homosexuality and the Nazi Party, "Homosexuals are the perfect foot soldiers for the devil."
Interestingly, Hitler and his henchmen intensely disliked feminine gay men, even sent many to concentration camps. The Nazis preferred masculine, butch, soldier-types-like Field Marshall Reinhard Heydrich-willing to take orders. On the other hand, in Soviet Russia, the Communists and Bolsheviks favored gay Jews with female traits and affectations.
Religious Sodomites are Legion
Religious fakes who are sodomites predominate. Jim Bakker, PTL televangelist disgraced and defrocked for sexually abusing church secretary Jessica Hahn, actually preferred young boys. He frequently had young homo staffers go swimming nude with he and his top aides. Like Bakker, Assembly of God television preacher Jimmy Swaggert also was a sexual deviant-reportedly into porno literature, trampy prostitutes, etc. He stayed away from real sex with real women-desired bizarre acts.
Satan loves to debauch religious charlatans. A headline in The Houston Chronicle newspaper, page one of its May 9, 1999 issue, trumpeted, "Mormons Caught up in Wave of Pedophile Accusations." In fact, Power of Prophecy has received startling information about satanic rituals and pedophile Mormon elders in the so-called Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (LDS). No Wonder! Joseph Smith and Brigham Young, Mormon founders, took numerous wives, and Smith was an occultist and sexual pervert of the highest order, as even many of his biographers confess.
Legions of Catholic priests are now recognized as plunderers of little boys. It is estimated that at least 80 percent of all Catholic priests are queers, and most nuns are lesbians! Father Ritter, the priest who founded Covenant House, a New York City shelter, to "help" homeless teens, was discovered to be molesting his charges. At Boys Town, the famous Catholic boys' orphanage founded by Father Flanagan (played by actor Spencer Tracy in the classic movie), a scandal recently broke when it got out that little boys were being passed around by priests to local gay politicians.
Some orphans from Omaha's Boys Town were even flown to Washington, D.C. for sex parties with top-level Republican Party chieftains. You can read about this in John Van De Camp's shocking exposé, The Franklin Cover-up (available from Power of Prophecy, $15, book order-line 800-234-9673).
Religious cultist Jim Jones, who, the controlled news media alleged, induced hundreds of his followers to commit mass suicide in Guyana by drinking poisoned Kool-Aid (actually, most were murdered—but that's another story) was both a Communist and a vile homosexual. Jim Jones was also a leading Democratic Party boss in California and a loyal initiate of the Masonic Lodge. The filthy Reverend Jones had his choice of boys, girls, and grown-ups among his "congregation" as sex partners.
David Koresh of Branch Davidian infamy had a taste for young girls and other men's wives, claiming that, as the Messiah, he had a perfect right. Strangely, Koresh was murdered at the behest of Janet Reno, a butch lesbian; FBI Director Louis Freeh, a member of the reportedly homosexual-oriented Opus Dei Catholic secret society; and Hillary Clinton, a flaming, lesbian activist.
Bill Clinton and other Homosexual Masons
President Bill Clinton became famous for the Monica Lewinsky affair. But actually, Bill Clinton never had conventional sexual relations with the young Jewish woman. Clinton enjoys kinky perversion and it is well known in some circles that old Bill is bisexual. Indeed, Clinton is a woman-hater, and documented evidence proves he has brutally raped at least two women.
One report says that Bill Clinton and a former pal, Arkansas Governor, Winthrop Rockefeller, had a fling. Winthrop, of the monied Rockefeller family, was well known as a homosexual. It is also possible that Clinton was himself abused and molested as a youthful member of the Masonic Lodge's DeMolay organization.
Albert Pike, the 19th century occultist who, as Masonry's Sovereign Grand Commander, created its rituals for the 33 degrees of the craft, was himself a notorious sodomite. Albert Pike
Albert Pike
"Cuomo the Homo"
Political networks of both political parties are eaten up by gay men. Former New York Governor Mario Cuomo, a Democrat, has been labeled "Cuomo the Homo." New York's former Mayor, Rudy Giuliani, a Republican, has been known to dress up as a woman transvestite.
The Mayor also carried on an open affair with a female assistant. And when Giuliani and his wife separated, the Mayor moved in with two gay male friends. He now resides in the Manhattan apartment the gay couple share.
Rudia
New York's Mayor Rudolph Giuliani performed on stage as "Rudia," transvestite, at the annual Inner Circle banquet for the elite. Giuliani now lives in an apartment with two homosexual men but has a female lover. Time magazine named Giuliani its "Person of the Year" for 2001.
Indeed, according to The New York Times, the Mayor actually performed in female attire, posing as "Rudia the Transvestite" at a nightclub. The occasion: The annual "Inner Circle" show.
The late Senator and Vice-President Hubert Humphrey often frolicked about nude in the YMCA swimming pool in Minneapolis. President Lyndon B. Johnson skinny-dipped with male friends, including evangelist Billy Graham and his Vice President, Hubert. In fact, the "Y" is a popular meeting place for homo politicians and religious bigwigs. The gay disco group, The Village People, in coded language revealed such wicked goings on in their national hit record tune, Y-M-C-A!
The Republicans even have a sodomite lobby group, which calls itself the Log Cabin Republicans. Senator Bob Dole heavily pandered to these "conservative" queers during his presidential campaign.
Same Sex Marriages
This year the Mayor of San Francisco, California broke the law by issuing Same Sex marriage licenses to homosexual couples at City Hall and performing marriages. Among those who practice perversion to get “married” were celebrity Rosie O’Donnell and her lesbian girlfriend. Rosie attacked President Bush right after the ceremony stating that they performed this so-called “marriage” as an act of defiance against President Bush and those who oppose the homosexual agenda.
Well thank God the California State Supreme Court ruled that the Mayor overstepped his boundaries. The California State Supreme Court further annulled all 4000 homosexual marriages that were performed including Rosie’s, deeming them illegal, null and void! Chalk one up for our side!
Has this stopped the homosexual agenda? Not on your life. The Democratic Party nation wide is endorsing Same Sex marriages and helping to push the homosexual agenda through the legal system.
Sadly many Christians support Same Sex Marriages either by openly supporting this travesty or remaining silent and refusing to get involved. Silence means approval in this case.
You cannot call yourself a Christian and be a supporter of Same Sex Marriages. It is against the word of God to support any homosexual agenda. The bible says it is sin period. Leviticus 18:22 22 "`Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable." Leviticus 20:13. "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 9 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
Romans 1:25-27 25 They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator-- who is forever praised. Amen. 26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
Genesis 19:1-29 says God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah because of homosexuality. It stinks in the nostrils of God. Genesis 13:13 identify the men of Sodom as exceedingly wicked sinners. Genesis 18:20 says that the sin of Sodom is "very grievous." Genesis 18:23 adds emphasis to the portrayal of the inhabitants of Sodom as "wicked." Genesis 18:24-33 shows that God could not find even 10 righteous souls in Sodom. The perverts who inhabited Sodom, even wanted to rape God's Angels who had come to Sodom to rescue Lot.
It is clear. The same sex marriage agenda is against God, and is SIN, and that my friend is the bottom-line because the Word of Our Most Holy God says so.
The homosexual agenda not only includes Same Sex Marriage but they have successfully pushed forward their lifestyles to the public over the television sets conditioning the public to accept their perversion and depravity. TV shows like “Will and Grace”, “Queer Eye For The Straight Guy”, “The L Word”, “Queer Folks”, MTV Videos, and even cartoons such as “The Simpsons”, and “Southpark” portray Christians who take a stand against homosexuality as evil, hateful, and wacky, while portraying the homosexual lifestyle as normal. As if there wasn’t enough shows on TV promoting homosexuality, MTV is preparing to launch a “24-Hour All-Gay All Day Channel” which will include programming geared at teaching kids that it is cool to be a homosexual and perfectly normal. They will even include a homosexual dating game. Now I am going to have to be a little crude here, but parents need to know about this so they can keep their kids from watching these shows. As if Jerry Springer wasn’t enough, with promoting homosexuality in just about every show whipping the audience into a frenzy as they scream and yell, “We Love Lesbians” while girls get naked and lick all over each other right in front of a nationwide live audience! Springer features homosexual sodomites that kiss and fondle each other while the audience cheers them on. Parents, Jerry Springer is shown in many states around 3-4pm in the afternoon, so you should know that might be what your kids are watching when they get home from school. Now they will have the 24-Hour All Gay All Day Channel to look at also! Your kids also are subjected to singers who promote the homosexual lifestyle such as open lesbian singers Tatu, Melissa Etheridge, and K.D. Lang, along with open bisexual Satan worshipper Marilyn Manson who encourages homosexuality among children.
Once upon a time in America, we used to have a thing called morality and laws that protected the children and the average family. One could be arrested for indecent exposure in America, but now it is not uncommon to drive down the streets of LA or New York City and see some homosexual doing ungodly things to his buddy right there on the corner. The police turn a blind eye to this and I am sure in places like California some cops would gladly join in disgusting episodes of sodomy.
In the 1970’s Anita Bryant took a stand for decency and morality standing up and speaking out against the homosexual agenda. For her efforts, she was rewarded with being abandoned by the Christian churches across the Nation and ultimately suffered a divorce when the homosexuals began to make phone calls to the churches she was speaking at threatening to blow them up. The churches decided to give in to this terrorist tactic and abandon Anita. Then in the 1980’s Pastor Jerry Falwell took a stand against the homosexual agenda and many leading pastors and churches also ostracized him across the country as being a little too political and getting off focus of preaching the gospel. As a result the churches joined in with the liberal media in labeling Falwell as a hatemonger. Well today, churches are getting to reap what they have sown. Galatians 6:7 "Be not deceived, God is not mocked; for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.".
Gary Condit, Satanism, and Homosexuality
The Democrats don't need an exclusive special homo group. Almost all active Democratic Party political professionals are bisexual and gay. Those who aren't are into other weird, abnormal sexual behavior—satanic sex bondage rituals, etc.
Congressman Gary Condit, suspected of having something to do with the disappearance of intern Chandra Levy, is known in the Washington, D.C. gay community as a bisexual into major sexual deviance.
Butch
A "butch" type homosexual shows off at a "Gay Pride" demonstration. Reportedly, Congressman Gary Condit also wears leather and homo-fascist garb when in bed in threesomes with men and women.
Condit reportedly dresses up in leather and chains, practices satanic bondage, and has had multiple male sex partners. Condit, an owner of a Harley Davidson motorcycle, is also a regular at Hell's Angels biker parties, especially when "butch" male homo bikers are throwing a shindig. Yet, Condit enjoys degrading and despoiling young women, too. Clintonesque, isn't he?
Remember Senator Paul Tsongas, the Massachusetts Democrat who ran for President and was so beloved by the media? Well, as The Washington Post newspaper (2/4/92) noted, the gay Mr. Tsongas had quite a stable of homo pals. He was noted for lustfully staring at young men's bodies, and the newspaper remarked that, "No one sat around the pool when Paul Tsongas was there."
Massachusetts Democrat Congressman Barney Frank (whom a Texas Republican congressman once called "Barney Fag") and his live-in male lover were discovered several years ago running a homosexual prostitution ring out of Frank's home. An attempt in the House of Representatives to censor Frank for his criminal misconduct fell flat when Republican leader Newt Gingrich came to his rescue. House Speaker Gingrich later resigned after it was about to come out that he was cheating on his wife with a female member of his own congressional staff. Gingrich warmly praised homosexuals in Congress for their "courage in running for office."
Homosexuality A "Wonderful Thing"—Al Gore
Former Vice President Al Gore and his wife, Tipper, also were big backers of queers and sodomites. In June 2000, Al and Tipper threw a party in their home for 150 brazen homos. Gore gushingly told the group, "It's a wonderful thing to do what you are doing… It's an outgrowth of the way you live your entire lives."
Say what, Al? Are you kidding us? Homos are the ominous bringers of AIDS, a variety of other sexual diseases, wide-ranging child abuse and molestation, and sundry other evils-and you say that's a "wonderful thing?"
Recently, some 600 homosexual congressmen and politicians threw another wild party, this time inside a certain federal building in Washington, D.C. Security guards were led to vomit at what they saw going on inside and even outside, on the grounds. You may be interested in knowing that among the "proud" sponsors of this disgusting homo-sex gala were wealthy corporations such as American Airlines, Snapple beverages, Miller Lite beer, Starbucks coffee, and Ben and Jerry's ice cream.
Gay Jews and Hollywood
Jewish rabbis and intellectuals are into homosexuality in a big way. James Klugman, British Communist Party leader; U.S. Supreme Court Justice Stephen Breyer; wealthy socialist Victor Rothschild; and British economist John Maynard Keynes come to mind. The ADL, ACLU, and Southern Poverty Law Center are Jewish organizations noted both for their antichrist liberal views and the perverted sexual orientation of some of their leaders.
Jewish rabbis are frequently in the news, with charges of child molestation highlighted. Meanwhile, Jews virtually run the entire inter-national porn industry. Even Jerusalem World Report, a prominent Jewish publication, has admitted that the kingpins of the "ecstasy" drug trade are Jews based in Israel.
Michael Eisner, a Jew and head of Disney Corporation, is actively pushing the gay agenda, as are most other Hollywood moguls—almost all of whom are Jewish. Sodomite Tom Schumaker was chosen by Disney to be executive producer of the kids movie, The Lion King. Homosexual singer Elton John was chosen to do the music score for the movie. Schumaker brags that Disney is actively recruiting homosexuals and that already, "There are a lot of gay people at every level" in the company.
Sharon Stone
Actress Sharon Stone said she relished her role in one film as a masculine lesbian lover.
Hollywood has long been much more gay than traditional America has known. The Christ-hating Jews that run the movie industry have always gotten their kicks from secretly pushing homosexual actors and actresses into leading roles as "romantic" leads. Katherine Hepburn was a lesbian deceptively dressed up as a lover of men like Spencer Tracy. Lesbian actress Marlene Dietrich pranced about in male suits with pants and yet the movie audiences were led to believe she was "All Woman." Male stars like comedian Danny Kaye and British actor Laurence Olivier were lovers, and comedian Jack Benny was queer as a three-dollar bill.
Pedophile Criminals Evade Punishment
In places like Hollywood and San Francisco, homosexual crime is rampant and never do the police intervene. Pedophile black singer Michael Jackson molests little boys and jokes are made—but no arrest. Little boys are molested at gay masquerade balls, and police look the other way. Corrupt Congressmen back in Washington know, but they are too busy running their own sex rings to care. Washington, D.C. is a place where homosexual masked men and women cavort in secret places—mansions, federal building auditoriums, military installations, and so forth. In November of 2003 Jackson was arrested on allegations of molesting several young boys at his Neverland Ranch in California. He was released the next day on $3,000,000 bond to go back to Las Vegas to finish a music video. Unbelievably, authorities said they didn't want to bring any official charges until after the Thanksgiving Day holiday (in spite of concrete testimony from one of the young victims and evidence found at the ranch). So they just let him go free in public!
Michael Jackson then! Michael Jackson Today!
Rock Music Stars
Heavy metal rock music stars are predominantly homosexual. That's the reason for the leather garb, the satanic tattoos, the long hair, and the transvestite make-up and appearance. Perhaps the top rock idol of all time, Mick Jagger of the Rolling Stones group, is a sick bisexual. In her autobiography, Marianne Faithful wrote that, while in bed with her, Mick Jagger said, "If Keith (a member of his band) were here right now, I'd lick him all over."
And some Christian parents allow their kids to listen to the music of these addle-brained homo sickos!
Michael Jackson
Singer/entertainer Michael Jackson reportedly molested little boys, then paid their parents hush money. Police and law enforcement looked the other way.
Sodomite Freddie Mercury of the rock band, Queen, died of AIDS at only 46 years of age. He reportedly had homosexual lovers all over the world.
Mick Jagger
Moral reprobate Mick Jagger, initiated into the Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame, has talked openly about how much he enjoys performing sex acts on other men.
Sodomites Madonna and Britney Spears. The Bible expressly forbids such homosexual activities.
Sodomites Madonna and Britney Spears
Left: Tolerant Americans have made lesbian activist, comedian Rosie O'Donnell, a rich and famous entertainer. O'Donnell and her homosexual partner were allowed by Florida to adopt a child. She is pictured here off-stage with Britain's Boy George, a popular actor and singer who starred in a Broadway production, Taboo.
Above: Tammy Faye Messner (formerly Tammy Faye Bakker of PTL fame) recently helped host a "drag bingo" fund-raising event to generate money for homosexual causes. Tammy Faye reportedly had lesbian sex with another "Christian" woman while married to her TV evangelist husband, Jim Bakker. (Note: Jim Bakker was himself a notorious closet homosexual.) (Photo: The Herald Sun, Jan. 6, 2004)
Left: The Episcopal Church recently elevated a gay activist, the "Reverend" Gene Robinson, to the high position of Bishop. Robinson earlier had abandoned his wife and children and began shacking up with a homosexual lover. The Episcopal Church had no problem with his behavior and declared him a "man of God." (Photo: Newsweek, Nov. 17, 2003)
Serial Killers are Homosexuals
However, if you really want to know to what depths of degradation the homosexual lifestyle takes people, all you need to do is study the inner lives of the world's most dangerous criminals—serial killers. In his book, Violence and Homosexuality, Dr. Paul Cameron noted that the top serial killers were all homosexual: "The nexus between homosexuality and violence is notorious. We have motorcycle gangs, black leather boys and rough trade addicted to chains, torture, slaves, and sadism. Hitler rose on the backs of "Storm Troopers" led from the top by a gang of homosexuals headed by Ernst Roehm."
According to the Associated Press, as reported in Christian News newspaper (July 23, 2001 p. 3), the seven worst serial killers in the U.S.A. were all homosexual deviates:
o Donald Harvey - 37 murders o John Wayne Gacy - 33 murders o Patrick Kearney - 32 murders o Bruce Davis - 28 murders o Dean Corll, Elmer Wayne Henley, and David Owen Brooks - 27 murders
The monstrous conduct of these homo killers is almost beyond belief. John Wayne Gacy, the sadistic torturer and raper of 33 boys, dressed up as a circus clown to attract victims. "A clown can get away with murder," Gacy once boasted.
Jeffrey Dahmer, who was a satanist and a cannibal, homosexually raped and killed 17 boys and young men after slipping "knockout" pills in their drinks. He attempted to keep some alive as sex zombies, but they, too, died from his fiendish brain operations.
Mormons caught up in wave of pedophile accusations Catholic priests are not the only religious leaders molesting children today, as evidenced by this newspaper headline in the Houston Chronicle.
Why is it the controlled mass media never tells America these savage serial murderers are always homosexuals? Why do CBS, ABC, NBC, and all the others cover-up and consistently paint gays as gentle, loving, caring, and compassionate humanitarians? Is it not because most of the TV and news executives and broadcasters are themselves homosexual, bisexual perverts and weirdos?
The case of homo serial killer Andrew Cunanan is interesting in that most of Cunanan's victims were themselves gay men. Among the five men he killed in a cross-country spree was wealthy fashion designer Gianni Versace. Time magazine (April 5, 1999) commented that Cunanan was "a gregarious, wildly clever mythomaniac and petty thief in the kinky gay netherworld of alcohol, drugs, prostitution, and sadomasochism." Andrew Cunanan's torrent of death ended in 1997 in Miami Beach with the demon-possessed homosexual taking his own life.
Reliable sources tell us that Andrew Cunanan's rage was triggered when he was horribly abused at a Chicago mansion during a homo-satanic ritual at a gay "masquerade ball." Cunanan, a handsome but confused young man in his 20s, had been used as a sexual gigolo by an inner circle of rich, gay Illuminati adepts—he was passed around and used up like a mildewed sack of potatoes. Gianni Versace, a billionaire who had singer Elton John as one of the frequent live-ins at his luxurious residence, was reputed to be a figure in this inner circle of kinky Illuminist homosexuals.
Why are homosexuals almost uniformly so corrupt, evil, and wicked? The truth is that such men (and women) have spiritually been turned over to Satan. The scriptures declare that the grievous and damaging sin of homosexuality leads one straight to a reprobate mind. The world applauds and rewards the homosexual, but God brands this conduct as "vile," "unclean," "unnatural" (Romans 1:24-32) and an "abomination" (Leviticus 18:22; Deuteronomy 23:17-18; I Kings 14:24).
Thomas Jefferson- "Castrate Homosexuals!"
Thomas Jefferson, one of our nation's illustrious founders, was not, history records, a strong biblical Christian. Yet, as Governor of Virginia, in 1779 Jefferson introduced bills to punish homosexual sodomy with the penalty being banishment and castration. There is no record that anyone at the time accused Mr. Jefferson of bigotry or hatred. Americans back then were a great degree wiser than they are today.
Bill Clinton & Paul Tsongas
Then Arkansas Governor Bill Clinton and U.S. Senator Paul Tsongas (D-Mass) were Democratic presidential candidates in 1992. Like many other Democratic politicians, both were bisexual.
Today, no politician, no king, no man admired by the public dares to declare the homosexual what he is: a "sinful reprobate." If they were to do so, their heads would, figuratively, be immediately lopped off by the media, and their careers and reputations destroyed. However, the biblical Christian has no option but to tell the truth—that homosexuality is a vile abomination, for God Almighty has declared it. And who among all the world's powerful and famous can reasonably criticize His commandments? Who is so foolish as to even attempt to annul His decision?
Clinton Featured at http://www.gayheroes.com
"I am proud of the part that my Administration has played to achieve these goals. Today, more openly gay and lesbian individuals serve in senior posts throughout the Federal Government than during any other Administration." -President Bill Clinton, June 2nd, 2000
SEE I TOLD YOU SO
For years I have been warning the public about Hillary Clinton's penchant for lesbian proclivities; a precursor to her sadistic megalomaniac behaviors.
Now, after many years of public apprehension the controversy has been confirmed by insider sources and will soon be revealed to the public.
According to a published article in the March 28 issue of a prominent magazine the "GLOBE," "reliable sources will soon release a shocking list of Hillary's lesbian lovers from the past and including the present." According to reliable sources the list includes:
* A beauty in her early 30s who often travels with Hillary. * A popular TV and movie star. * The daughter of a top government official. * A stunning model who got a career boost after sleeping with Hillary. * President Clinton's former lover, Gennifer Flowers writes in her book "Passion & Betrayal" of Bill confessing to her that Hillary sleeps with more woman than he does. * The famous commentator Jack Wheeler writes: "My sources indicate that Hillary is bisexual and fools around more than her husband." He also credits Hillary for being the force behind the "White House's homosexual agenda." * According to the insiders report, Hillary had sex with women during her college days at Wellesly College.
SO NOW YOU KNOW THE REST OF THE STORY
President Clinton's former mistress Gennifer Flowers (left) claims Bill told her Hillary was a lesbian. Rumors have swirled about Hillary's relationship with cabinet member Donna Shalala (center) and New York Lawyer Susan Thomases.
A show of hands: Hillary signals her support of gay rights at a rally in New York. 'My sources indicate Hillary is bisexual and fools around much more than her husband'
-Political Commentator Jack Wheeler
Will Hillary be the first female president? Many think so. If so, will she announce to the world that she is a homosexual lesbian after securing the Office of President? The reality of such wickedness is upon America today. Expect a pack of lies from Senator Clinton if she does run for the Presidency. FOX News has already by trying to whitewash Hillary by claiming that she's actually starting to move towards the "right" concerning abortion and other issues. Don't you believe it! Hillary is as left as they come, a Jezebel in disguise. --FOCUS--
When trying to dissertate the imposing lesbian threat to our culture, the most frustrating conundrum I face is persuading heterosexuals not to-do not focus one's attention and displeasure with their sex acts. Surprising as it may seem, this one short-fall is the Trojan-horse for the lesbian takeover. This is exactly their weasel: To keep the heterosexual mind in shock about their sex acts and all the while slithering their way into high government positions, court systems, universities and large private corporations. (stealing billions along the way) For this very reason, I urge the reader to not fall into their "smoke and mirror" trap; but, concentrate on how Hillary's lesbian addiction propels her mental psychoses into rage and hatred against the American people and even herself. A factor of grave concern, making Hillary and Janet Reno the two most dangerous persons on the face of this earth.
No...You don't know the rest of the story, but stay tuned on how her "evil empire" intends to overthrow America... However, foremost and above all , start asking questions, it's your duty to God.
Steve Lashuk
Hillary Gets Gay Endorsements
The Associated Press - Thursday July 27, 2000
NEW YORK (AP) - Hillary Rodham Clinton's Senate campaign won the endorsement of two gay advocacy organizations Thursday, the Empire State Pride Agenda and the Washington-based Human Rights Campaign.
"Mrs. Clinton is the clear leader on every single issue of importance to the lesbian and gay community," said Tim Sweeney of the Empire State Pride Agenda during a news conference on the steps of City Hall.
Clinton was cited for her support of civil unions providing legal recognition for gay couples; for favoring homosexuals being allowed to serve openly in the military; for supporting laws against hate-crimes; and for backing abortion rights.
Another organization, Housing Works, which provides housing for homeless people with AIDS, defended Lazio, pointing out his support for funding for housing and jobs for AIDS patients. "Lazio has real achievements in the area of HIV/AIDS," the group said.
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"Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them."
-Romans 1:24-32
God help us!
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You know to God all sin is the same.. no distinction between mortal and venial sin... sin is sin in God's eyes and it's the person's sin condition that is the issue w/God..
Are you trying to make us all look like intolerant jerks? Of course it's a sin.. No question about it, regardless of what anyone says.. YES! It's a sin. Right there in black and white. However, so is lusting after your neighbors wife and stealing pop-tarts. It should be noted that, none of the above is an unforgivable sin. Bashing people between the eyes with a stick will get you the same revulsion that "in your face" "Gay Pride" marches achieve.. and with relative ease. However, being humble and talking frankly on such matters encourages others to listen.
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They could be seen as one and the same :P
this article sure names names! President Lyndon B. Johnson skinny-dipped with male friends, including evangelist Billy Graham and his Vice President, is this true?
My horoscope for today. Daily bad news reminds you that there will always be a colorful array of potential catastrophes available for your panicking pleasure. How appropriate.
is this true? I, for one, sincerly hope the videos have been utterly destroyed.
this is a very powerful article. whoever wrote it sure brought together a LOT of quotes from a lot of people.
Yes, lusting after MY neighbors wife would be a sin...rather a severe sickness of a sort I cannot really imagine.
If she's a hound, you won't only lose stature in heaven, but among your peers as well.
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Thanks for clearing that up. A double loss.
Of course it's a sin.. No question about it, regardless of what anyone says.. YES! It's a sin. Right there in black and white. However, so is lusting after your neighbors wife and stealing pop-tarts. It should be noted that, none of the above is an unforgivable sin. Bashing people between the eyes with a stick will get you the same revulsion that "in your face" "Gay Pride" marches achieve.. and with relative ease. However, being humble and talking frankly on such matters encourages others to listen. No, but God is intolerant of sin. All sin. I one hundred percent agree that it is forgiveable. The homos aren't asking for forgiveness. They are saying that their sin is sacred.
Your pretty funny sometimes Jhoffa.
I don't know.
Well I would venture to say the most people weren't asking for forgiveness for their sins either til they recognized that they had a sin 'problem'.. as I said before the issue isn't sin but Sin.
Michael Jackson then! Michael Jackson Today! Rock Music Stars Heavy metal rock music stars are predominantly homosexual. That's the reason for the leather garb, the satanic tattoos, the long hair, and the transvestite make-up and appearance. Perhaps the top rock idol of all time, Mick Jagger of the Rolling Stones group, is a sick bisexual. In her autobiography, Marianne Faithful wrote that, while in bed with her, Mick Jagger said, "If Keith (a member of his band) were here right now, I'd lick him all over." And some Christian parents allow their kids to listen to the music of these addle-brained homo sickos! Michael Jackson Singer/entertainer Michael Jackson reportedly molested little boys, then paid their parents hush money. Police and law enforcement looked the other way. Sodomite Freddie Mercury of the rock band, Queen, died of AIDS at only 46 years of age. He reportedly had homosexual lovers all over the world. Mick Jagger Moral reprobate Mick Jagger, initiated into the Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame, has talked openly about how much he enjoys performing sex acts on other men. Sodomites Madonna and Britney Spears. The Bible expressly forbids such homosexual activities. Sodomites Madonna and Britney Spears Left: Tolerant Americans have made lesbian activist, comedian Rosie O'Donnell, a rich and famous entertainer. O'Donnell and her homosexual partner were allowed by Florida to adopt a child. She is pictured here off-stage with Britain's Boy George, a popular actor and singer who starred in a Broadway production, Taboo. Why do you keep bothering everyone with this Entertainment Tonite style nonsense? You really are a kook!
And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush
And that's what's BS about it.. They want special rights because of their behavior. It's helping them here, they've made great strides.. Actually attained quite a bit. But this place is temporal. It will pass and there will be no excuse.
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I shamelessly exploit every opportunity..
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Any homos worth knowing think for themselves, man.
And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush
I like hard rock. I like the stones. My hair is even kind of long. Jesus had long hair. Because I posted an article doesn't mean I agree with every single point.
They try to make it all out to be the work of "Bedroom gestapo!" Awful folks trying to legislate morality! Fact is, if they weren't constantly begging for special recognition based on where they hide their weiners, I don't think anyone would care. I don't care what they do at home.. I don't think you do. But, if they're demanding some law that basically says straight people don't deserve equal justice if a violent crime is committed against them just because they don't holster the tube in some guy's butthole, I'm just like "Bullshit.. STFU, you polesmoking faggot." Which isn't very nice, but I blame it on the bennies and Jim Beam..
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No he didn't.
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1 John 5:17 - All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin which is not mortal. There are distinctions :-)
I can understand if they were sucked into it, but what if they were born that way?
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
Okay in context: 17(All unrighteousness is sin, and there is a sin not leading to death. 18(We know that (AH)no one who is born of God sins; but He who was born of God keeps him, and (AJ)the evil one does not touch him. 19 We know that we are of God, and that (AN)the whole world lies in the power of the evil one. As I said .. there is sin and Sin.. and these passages have to do with believers.. those who no longer are under the curse of Sin..
No he didn't. And Bruce Barton knows.
that's my argument too. i have known/seen individuals who appear intersexed-- iow, they have the physical characteristics of being both male and female. i have seen this in children as well as adults. i'll never believe that a person like this chose to be homosexual or chose sin. it's biological. their hormones and chemistry are different than that of heterosexuals.
This is a different matter.. It's an abnormality. How do you feel about older men who are attracted to 9 YO girls? Should we codify their sexual behavior because they were "born that way" ?
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PS: Personally, I'd call that a behavior.. And an unacceptable one at that.
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I think there are people who do have biological issues.. which are quite different than those who chose a lifestyle.. In the last few years there are women who chose the lesbian lifestyle.. such as Camille Paglia.. which she views lesbianism as part of radical feminism.
No he didn't. What do you base that on?
I doubt God could care less. It's what's in your heart that counts. Let's put it this way: would you have gay sex under any circumstances, much less enjoy it? I doubt it. These people are not gay for kicks; they were born that way and if God made them that way, who are you to judge? Believe me, my gay friends are no more interested in women than you are in men. And all of them knew it from a very early age. Calling it a sin is silly. It's like all the people who consider sodomy a sin, when 90 percent indulge.
I have a sister who is a lesbian. My brother, three other sisters and I are all heterosexual. We were raised Catholic and do not come from a broken home, so you can't say she is a product of her environment, she's not. It has to be something biological. Even I, being a Conservative which automatically labels me a homophobe, can see that. My question is this. Since my sister and I have the same biological parents, why is she a minority and I am not? I though minorities were based on race, not sexual orientation.
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
God didn't make them gay. Don't be stupid. They CHOSE that lifestyle. I guess we should exescuse the pedophiles, thiefs, rapists, murderers etc.....and say God made them that way....NOT
I totally agree. The only thing that bothers me is fad status homosexuality has attained of late. The agenda is being pushed hard and that turns me off.
As Paul Revere and the Raiders said, kicks just keep gettin' harder to find.
Jesus didn't have long hair in any of these pictures.
And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush
My question is this. Since my sister and I have the same biological parents, why is she a minority and I am not? I though minorities were based on race, not sexual orientation. Their is pleasure in sin. Thats why your sister CHOSE that. I guess all the families who have only one murderer in the family, can say they were born that way too. Your "logic" is illogical. Pray for your sister.
1st Corinthians 11:14
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Intentional pun?
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
Its all about an attempt to change society.. there have always been gays nothing new.. and I dont want to see people be discriminated against for jobs etc.. but on the other hand why should an employer have to hire lets say a transvestite dressing in drag..or why should someone hae to rent an apt in their home to someone whose lifestyle they disagree with ?
I was going to say "shoved down our throats", but "I pulled back" ...
Thank You. I must have missed that before. I'll have to reflect on it. One question though. What about Samson?
No, If you believe what's written, God does indeed care and I do not judge. I have no place to judge, as I said.. stealing pop-tarts disqualifies you from heaven also. However, God has judged.. and will judge. My bitch is special privilidges based on sexual behavior on this earthly plane. God can do whatever he wants after this, but for now.. I see no reason why a victim of a violent crime should be penalized for being straight. Do you?
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They shouldn't have to accomodate the homos.
I don't know.. Sampson also brings up the interesting suicide question no one has yet been able to answer to my satisfaction.
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Did you even read what I wrote? I have exuded heterosexuality since puberty. My brother and 3 sisters are heterosexual. Why would my 4th sister willingly ostracize herself as a teenager? It was not a choice for her.
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
Never thought about a suicide angle with Samson. Off the top of my head maybe it was as in war, some people die. He killed more of them.
well I think that it infringes on the rights of the people who are renting as well.. Also in hiring.. if its a religious organization I dont think they should be able to hire according to their religious viewpoint.. but thats me. LOL
Are you sure you're a Christian? Are you a friend of Fred Phelps?
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
I don't recall reading that suicide defaults you to hell.. ?
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I fully agree with you.
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
Did you even read what I wrote? I have exuded heterosexuality since puberty. My brother and 3 sisters are heterosexual. Why would my 4th sister willingly ostracize herself as a teenager? It was not a choice for her. I read every word you wrote. Why do people murder, steal, etc. We have a sin nature. We all do things wrong, I'm one of the worse. That is just her sin that she found pleasurable. The Bible clearly teaches that it is a sin. You say you are a Catholic. What's the problem. I don't want to bash your sister, im just stating what my opinion is based on things I have learned.
Promoting your own point of view is really just discriminating against everyone else.
And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush
Saint Dante, man!
And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush
Only a honkey would say something like that..
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Those are covered in the 10 Commandments. I don't see, "Thou shall not engage in homosexual activities".
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
Oh my! But will Sampson face him? I have read nothing to suggest that. It seem to be based solely in the "wisdom" of men.
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Honkey? Now I wish that hate crimes bill had passed!
And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush
When I was much younger, I had a kid named Billy who had no home, so we let him live with us. He was about 16, and a really cute boy. One day he told us he was going to the Playboy Club with some guy we vaguely knew. About two weeks later, he was flaming gay and living with these much older gay guys. I don't know if he was recruited or just realized he was gay, but there is no question these were chickenhawks, in the original meaning of the word. There was a guy named Jonathan King who put out sorta humorous records, and one of his songs was "Be Gay." This was in the early 70s, and the song sorta said, it's the latest fad, satiracally. It turned out later that he was a (male) child molester. I'm not blind. There are predators and truly evil people in the gay world. But the people I know could no more have sex with a woman than I could with a goat. They didn't decide one day to have sex with men; they always were attracted to men. I have no idea why, but there is no question it is true. Someone above compared them to thieves. That is an ignorant and hateful thing to say. This guy probably has a relative who is gay, but too terrified to admit it. My aunt was a lesbian, and even my right-wing family accepted it and realized that was just who Anne was. To me, who cares who you sleep with? I have doubts about the marriage thing, but it means almost nothing to me. Who cares? I live in a world where heterosexuals walk out of marriages over nothing, just because they met some BABE at church and dumped their family. My daughter's best friend is a total wreck because at 10 he had a half-sister by a woman with the same name as his mother's. Then she moved her new boyfriend in next door to them, and would "go shopping" for 8 hours. I think that is evil, not two people who love each other.
Fair enough; just wanted to point out what John had to say :)
You gooks.. we should have finished the job in alaska! I remember when the germans bombed pearl harbor.. You were't such assholes then.
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Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. 24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. 26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. 28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. The Bible clearly teaches Homosex is a sin. Why would I not be a Christian for not taking God at his word. Now if i said Homosex was kool, then you could legitimately say I was not a christian, or at the least in error on that subject.
You have openly admitted on other forums that you weren't raised in a religious family, that you don't regularly attend church, that you don't attend Bible study, that all you know is from what you have read. Did you ever stop to think that there is a reason for fellowship? That maybe your knowledge of Christianity can be enhanced? When you teach yourself, you don't know when you make mistakes.
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
Don't the Bible talk about not commiting adultry. Two girls don't a marriage make. What about honor God too. He said it was a sin.
The apostles were commen men.. Often derided for their lack of "education"
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I study the Bible, with other people too. So you think if someone wasn't raised in church they can't know God? You think I should start going to a church that contradicts the Bible and says being homo is ok. Do you really think the Bible teaches that being a homo is ok. Do you support same sex marriages too?
(ahem) "common"
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I agree that fellowship is good and I have much to learn. Im sure I make mistakes we all do. The bible is very clear on this subject though. You can take the position that you think the Bible is BS. But I believe it. As for mistakes, we have the holy spirit to guide us.
Do you think homosexuality is a sin, yes or no?
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Now thats a good question.. well for one thing.. just because people were mentioned in scripture it doesnt mean that what they did was God's choice for their lives.. consider his life.. his weakness to resist temptation etc.. but at the end of his life he reconciled with God.. and his death is a 'type' of Christ.... laying down his life..
Often derided for their lack of "education" But they had a good Teacher. He explained why things were the way they were.
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
Indeed.. and they were so skillful, even the Pharisees were afraid.
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Part of my problem with churches is they have all seemed to sell out. Ever heard of 301c. They have become corporations, government entities. The government tells them they can't talk about our leaders (politics) or they will lose their tax exempt status. They can't have two masters. Im looking for a non government affiliated church. There aren't many.
I think the act is a sin, but being a homosexual isn't. And a celibate homosexual is no different than a celibate heterosexual.
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
That's bullshit and you know it. It's your excuse not to attend church and justify your thinking.
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
I don't read where Sampson did anything wrong. Much like the military.. You throw yourself on a grenade, Jesus says there's no greater thing than giving your life for those you love. I think the suicide doctrine is pure BS. IMO: If you go to hell for chucking yourself on a landmine and saving 50 people, you'll meet Sampson there and he'll be proud of your efforts.
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That is the difference between giving your life and taking your life.
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
What I was referring to was Sampson's other sins.. and as I said his laying down his life was a type of Christ.. a prophesy of sorts.. a lesson.
It's not bullshit. Do they not sign a paper to get tax exempt status. Do they not compromise the word of God and bite their tongue on political issues in fear of losing their tax exempt status. God said you cannot have two masters.
I'd paint it as follows. There's a difference between acknowledging that you've failed and calling your sin a good and proper thing, fit for all and as good as what God defined. People will learn and grow, of course.. Hopefully they will learn, grow and renounce it.
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My church talks politics. They just don't say who to vote for. No violations there.
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
They should be to say who to vote for. It's their opinion. I guess that's why Jesus said you can't have two masters. Do you think Jesus would obey that "law".
Is it? Sampson was blinded, lost his wife and really had nothing else to live for as a prisioner.. Was it such a sacrifice? King David doing such a thing... Now THAT would be a sacrifice. Sampson was simply washed up..
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I'm staying out of the Sampson debate. I was referring to the land mine issue only.
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
Was it such a sacrifice? King David doing such a thing... Now THAT would be a sacrifice. Sampson was simply washed up.. Not so sure about that.. Sampson repented.. and even though he was at the bottom.. and had lost everything.. sometimes that is what it takes for people to repent.. usually isnt when people are on the top of the heap.. His choices caused him to lose it all..
Some of your posts are quite surprising zip. Pleasantly surprising that is.
LOL!! Not quite sure how to take that ??
No, he prayed for the power to be an effective (ahem) "suicide bomber" Given his state, his (potential) future, the circumstances and the evil men who controlled him and what they had done.. I consider this a heroic jesture. He knowingly comitted suicide.. and did well by it.
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"gesture"
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I meant on your Bible posts. I took it you were a little hostile to the Bible. You do have some good knowledge to share on it though. Your posts on other subjects I readily agree with.
My thoughts exactly.
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
No not at all.. I just see things different in some cases.. particularly the dispensational view of eschatology and idea that of the Holy Hammer of God.. so to speak.
(I was kinda cringing in wait for a reply to that one .. )
You won't find Zipporah hostile to what's written. At least, I haven't... over the course of several years.
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He knowingly comitted suicide.. and did well by it. Oh I agree.. to some extent.. on his future.. I dont know?.. if that was the reason or not? But I do agree that it was heroic .. and as I said it was a type of Christ laying his life down.. for the greater good.. I guess you could put it.
Well put it this way. Your not exactly in agreement with me on creationism. I guess hostile to the Bible wasn't a good way to word it. In other words I was trying to give you a compliment.
Well as I see it.. re creationism.. at one time I bought into a lot of that .. and believe it or not I thought Ken Ham was on track but IMO he has an agenda.. and it takes the focus off what is truly important.. the bible isnt a history book.. or a science book.. what do you think the purpose of the bible is?
bush was one of the very few not mentioned in this article. ;)
To reveal Gods plan for us here on earth. Ken Ham sees that evolution permeates our society. He sees it as a stumbling block. People think Science has disproven the Bible. So many people will not be open to hearing Gods word. If he can destroy peoples faith in evolution, then perhaps they will again be open to Gods word as revealed in the Bible. His motive is to have more people believe in God IMO.
Yes, many "christians" are blinded by Bush for some reason. I voted for the asshole in 2000.
Hear, hear! Fellow members of the dumbshit club unite! (I voted for him also.. Makes me sick to think about it)
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Hear, hear! Fellow members of the dumbshit club unite! (I voted for him also.. Makes me sick to think about it) I was a Buchanan supporter. I changed my mind at the last minnute, because I really despised Clinton and didn't want Gore in there.
"Rosie attacked President Bush right after the ceremony stating that they performed this so-called “marriage” as an act of defiance against President Bush and those who oppose the homosexual agenda." Whaaa ... the lesbot attacked Bush. Cry us a river. If the Christian-Reich's position of defending marriage is to pass a Federal Marriage Amendment to the Constitution, they are dead wrong. They are crying for more government is all they are doing. 501(c)(3) GOP shills!
Only the Holy Spirit can
move someone to God.. the Holy Spirit is the revealer of truth..not by reason or
by argument JN 14:16 And I will ask the Father, and He will give you another
Counselor to be with you forever. 17 He is the Spirit of truth, whom the world
is unable to receive because it doesn't see Him or know Him. But you do know
Him, because He remains with you and will be in you.
Yes, but they can become open to Gods word after they give up the false teachings of evolution.
The cart doesnt come before the horse..
Yes, but this isn't a cart and horse. Jesus talked about teaching the word to different people in a different way. He said something about a stumblingblock to the greeks. Evolution is a stumblingblock to the people of our age. God said clearly in Genesis that he created the world in 6 days. He says in Genesis two that it was created then. Not millions of years ago. So defeating evolution is doing the work of God.
i couldn't agree more.
A day is a thousand years to God.. and only the HS can change peoples minds.. just like in Iraq.. that crapola about winning the hearts and minds.. you dont do it with a hammer.. its the love of God that draws people not being antagonistic..
and a thousand years as a day. What's the point. Genesis clearly defines it with day and night cycles. Do you think their was a thousand years of darkness. All the plants would have died. Genesis is very clear. The Gap theory is a compromise. The holy spirit works through people. Through their words. When people discredit evolution the holy spirit is with them.
Scripture is very clear.. its the love of God that draws men to him.. it's not by reason.. you can win the argument but lose the person.. And truthfully what difference does it make if it's a thousand or a million or a day? It makes not one shed of difference.. doesnt change the He is the creator..
God told us how it was done for a reason. It does matter. It lets bullshit theories like evolution take root.
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
At least someone is getting some amusement out of our discussion. I hope its movie theatre butter flavor. None of that lite stuff my wife buys.
On this we disagree.. And IMO it doesnt change that God is the creator.. and the time ..if it was an actual week..or many years.. doesnt change that fact.. we cannot understand in this life the mind of God.. He hasn't given us the whole picture because that's not the point of scripture.. its about His plan of salvation and things of the spirit.. its not about the physical but the spiritual realm.
;P
Who wrote it? The 1400 version of Sue Schmidt or Jayson Blair or JudyJudyJudy? Do you really think that was written by god? It was not. It was written by a pope in the 1400s, copied and censored from stuff from the 400s. In other words, written WAY after Jesus died. There is no reason in this world to think anything in it is accurate. Unless you think a pope who ripped out hundreds of verses and rewrote the rest is the ultimate word. The Bible is a piece of crap. The basic message is right, but the rest is ludicrous.
By God himself? Of course not.. By one of his ambassadors, most certainty. However, if you would read more closely you will find that I place the burden on you. I said "If you believe" If you do not, I don't care.. Your rejection is an obvious and willful one. Do what you will. I couldn't care less. And so far as your conditional acceptance of the Bible goes, it's worthless. You may as well denounce every word. Because if true morality does exist, it comes from above. The alternative is the words of men you happen to agree with.. and they vary widely.
Dubya to the serfs: "It's Raining!"
Believe an inaccurate book? Take every word? You have to be kidding. The ark held hundreds of millions animals and food to feed them for hundreds of days? One guy loaded the whole boat? Gimme a break. The boat would have had to be the size of South America. If you believe every word in those books, you really have problems. The bible is a total joke. Its message is sometimes good, but most of the time, it's a pretty evil document. Just like the Koran, it is a vicious piece of work. The stoning and strangling and just plain evil makes me sick. Kant put the whole thing into context. "Act always in such a way that you would want others to make a moral precept out of it." I'm paraphrasing, but you do not need a belief in some magical being to believe that you should live a good life.
PS: Like a typical coward you dodged my question and decided to attack me.. Now, since you obviously have reading and comprehension issues, I will repeat the question. God can do whatever he wants after this, but for now.. I see no reason why a victim of a violent crime should be penalized for being straight. Do you? Do you have an answer or not?
Dubya to the serfs: "It's Raining!"
You're boring me.. This is already disproven and it was FORTY DAYS, you hysterical nitwit. Now, you're wearing on my last nerve.. Do you have an answer for my question or don't you?
Dubya to the serfs: "It's Raining!"
I see, you're a loud mouthed coward.. You run that mouth and then arrive empty handed. Incapable of answering a single question.. Congratulations, Mekons.. you're a nutsack.
Dubya to the serfs: "It's Raining!"
What makes you think it was hundreds of millions of animals?
Watching Ma become an actress?
Dubya to the serfs: "It's Raining!"
I know I should get this but it's going over my head LOL
Don't worry.. Missing this is proof that you've taken the high road.
Dubya to the serfs: "It's Raining!"
LOL! Okay I'll take your word for it.. :P
Please do! (:
Dubya to the serfs: "It's Raining!"
Well one thought on this.. since it was seven animals from each of the "clean" species, seven of each bird species, and two of every non-clean animal species... does this not prove evolution? :P
So is coveting and taking the Lord's name in vain along with about 10 hundred million thousand other things depending on whom you ask and how they interpret the Good Book. I say let God judge. Love the sinner and hate the sin - you stand a better chance of winning them to Christ that way. And those of you who disagree with me can kiss my rosey red Irish arse.
I say let God judge. Love the sinner and hate the sin - you stand a better chance of winning them to Christ that way. And those of you who disagree with me can kiss my rosey red Irish arse. See I knew you were smart!! :P ..
If it's genetic, how is the gene passed to the next generation?
Adolf Hitler... "What luck for rulers that men do not think." John F. Kennedy... "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." Why do I have black hair and olive skin while my brother and four sisters are fair haired and fair skinned? Genetics?
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
To include Mussolini and Hitler in this group of freaks is freakish in itself. Mussolini and Hitler were social moralists and looked with disdain upon homosexuality. To say otherwise is historically inaccurate and nothing but a damn lie!
"It is common to assume that human progress affects everyone – that even the dullest man, in these bright days, knows more than any man of, say, the Eighteenth Century, and is far more civilized. This assumption is quite erroneous...The great masses of men, even in this inspired republic, are precisely where the mob was at the dawn of history. They are ignorant, they are dishonest, they are cowardly, they are ignoble. They know little if anything that is worth knowing, and there is not the slightest sign of a natural desire among them to increase their knowledge." H.L. Mencken
The Bible is a fairly good historical record of which we should take note and use to our advantage. It contains a system of law and social morality, as does the teachings of Christ. It's all relative, really. The world has always been a hard and cruel place in which it is an endless struggle to survive. I hope white Americans of European descent can pull themselves together enough to win the struggle for survival of their European heritage and roots. The culture here has been corrupted and we need to return to the basics to assure this will happen. Just as now, with the truth emerging about the lies of the War Party, the tide is turning back toward traditional American values of not wishing to become involved in the affairs of other nations. The advice of George Washington in his Farewell Address is still valid since it is based on human nature. It is this inherent greed of certain ruling elites which, in other times would be the aristocracy, is now a festering wound on the body politic known as fascism.
"It is common to assume that human progress affects everyone – that even the dullest man, in these bright days, knows more than any man of, say, the Eighteenth Century, and is far more civilized. This assumption is quite erroneous...The great masses of men, even in this inspired republic, are precisely where the mob was at the dawn of history. They are ignorant, they are dishonest, they are cowardly, they are ignoble. They know little if anything that is worth knowing, and there is not the slightest sign of a natural desire among them to increase their knowledge." H.L. Mencken
Ever seen King of the Hill?
I think I can sum up the whole Homosexuality thing in one sentence. If Being Heterosexual is wrong, then I don't want to be Right. God I love boobies.
#2. To: A K A Stone (#0)
#3. To: Jhoffa_ (#2)
However, so is lusting after your neighbors wife and stealing pop-tarts.
#4. To: A K A Stone (#0)
#5. To: christine (#4)
President Lyndon B. Johnson skinny-dipped with male friends, including evangelist Billy Graham and his Vice President,
#6. To: A K A Stone (#0)
#7. To: Jhoffa_ (#2)
However, so is lusting after your neighbors wife
#8. To: tom007 (#7)
#9. To: Jhoffa_ (#8)
#10. To: Jhoffa_ (#2)
Are you trying to make us all look like intolerant jerks?
#11. To: Jhoffa_ (#8)
If she's a hound, you won't only lose stature in heaven, but among your peers as well.
#12. To: christine (#4)
is this true?
#13. To: A K A Stone (#10)
The homos aren't asking for forgiveness. They are saying that their sin is sacred.
#14. To: A K A Stone (#10)
In places like Hollywood and San Francisco, homosexual crime is rampant and never do the police intervene. Pedophile black singer Michael Jackson molests little boys and jokes are made—but no arrest. Little boys are molested at gay masquerade balls, and police look the other way. Corrupt Congressmen back in Washington know, but they are too busy running their own sex rings to care. Washington, D.C. is a place where homosexual masked men and women cavort in secret places—mansions, federal building auditoriums, military installations, and so forth. In November of 2003 Jackson was arrested on allegations of molesting several young boys at his Neverland Ranch in California. He was released the next day on $3,000,000 bond to go back to Las Vegas to finish a music video. Unbelievably, authorities said they didn't want to bring any official charges until after the Thanksgiving Day holiday (in spite of concrete testimony from one of the young victims and evidence found at the ranch). So they just let him go free in public!
#15. To: A K A Stone (#10)
The homos aren't asking for forgiveness. They are saying that their sin is sacred.
#16. To: A K A Stone (#11)
Your pretty funny sometimes Jhoffa.
#17. To: Jhoffa_ (#15)
#18. To: Dakmar (#14)
#19. To: Dakmar (#17)
Any homos worth knowing think for themselves, man.
#20. To: A K A Stone (#18)
Jesus had long hair
#21. To: Zipporah (#1)
You know to God all sin is the same.. no distinction between mortal and venial sin... sin is sin in God's eyes and it's the person's sin condition that is the issue w/God..
#22. To: A K A Stone (#0)
Homosexuality Is A Sin!
#23. To: mirage (#21)
There are distinctions :-)
#24. To: Jhoffa_ (#20)
Jesus had long hair
I've already said too much.
#25. To: 82Marine89 (#22)
I can understand if they were sucked into it, but what if they were born that way?
#26. To: christine (#25)
iow, they have the physical characteristics of being both male and female.
#27. To: All (#26)
#28. To: christine (#25)
that's my argument too. i have known/seen individuals who appear intersexed-- iow, they have the physical characteristics of being both male and female. i have seen this in children as well as adults. i'll never believe that a person like this chose to be homosexual or chose sin. it's biological. their hormones and chemistry are different than that of heterosexuals.
#29. To: Jhoffa_ (#20)
Jesus had long hair
#30. To: Jhoffa_ (#15)
#31. To: christine (#25)
#32. To: Mekons4 (#30)
These people are not gay for kicks; they were born that way and if God made them that way, who are you to judge?
#33. To: Mekons4 (#30)
#34. To: Mekons4 (#30)
These people are not gay for kicks
I've already said too much.
#35. To: A K A Stone (#29)
#36. To: 82Marine89 (#31)
I have a sister who is a lesbian. My brother, three other sisters and I are all heterosexual. We were raised Catholic and do not come from a broken home, so you can't say she is a product of her environment, she's not. It has to be something biological. Even I, being a Conservative which automatically labels me a homophobe, can see that.
#37. To: A K A Stone (#29)
#38. To: Jethro Tull (#33)
...fad status homosexuality...pushed hard...
#39. To: 82Marine89 (#31)
My question is this. Since my sister and I have the same biological parents, why is she a minority and I am not? I though minorities were based on race, not sexual orientation.
#40. To: 82Marine89 (#38)
#41. To: Jhoffa_ (#37)
#42. To: Mekons4 (#30)
I doubt God could care less. It's what's in your heart that counts. Let's put it this way: would you have gay sex under any circumstances, much less enjoy it? I doubt it. These people are not gay for kicks; they were born that way and if God made them that way, who are you to judge?
#43. To: Zipporah (#39)
Its all about an attempt to change society.. there have always been gays nothing new.. and I dont want to see people be discriminated against for jobs etc.. but on the other hand why should an employer have to hire lets say a transvestite dressing in drag..or why should someone hae to rent an apt in their home to someone whose lifestyle they disagree with ?
#44. To: A K A Stone (#41)
#45. To: A K A Stone (#36)
Thats why your sister CHOSE that.
#46. To: Jhoffa_ (#44)
Sampson also brings up the interesting suicide question no one has yet been able to answer to my satisfaction.
#47. To: A K A Stone (#43)
#48. To: A K A Stone (#43)
They shouldn't have to accomodate the homos.
#49. To: A K A Stone (#46)
#50. To: Zipporah (#39)
#51. To: 82Marine89 (#45)
Thats why your sister CHOSE that.
#52. To: Zipporah (#47)
if its a religious organization I dont think they should be able to hire according to their religious viewpoint..
#53. To: Jhoffa_ (#49)
I don't recall reading that suicide defaults you to hell..
#54. To: Dakmar (#52)
Promoting your own point of view is really just discriminating against everyone else.
#55. To: A K A Stone (#51)
Why do people murder, steal, etc.
#56. To: Dakmar (#53)
Saint Dante, man!
#57. To: Jhoffa_ (#54)
#58. To: Jethro Tull (#33)
I totally agree. The only thing that bothers me is fad status homosexuality has attained of late. The agenda is being pushed hard and that turns me off.
#59. To: Zipporah (#23)
#60. To: Dakmar (#57)
#61. To: 82Marine89 (#48)
Are you sure you're a Christian? Are you a friend of Fred Phelps
#62. To: A K A Stone (#51)
im just stating what my opinion is based on things I have learned.
#63. To: 82Marine89 (#55)
Those are covered in the 10 Commandments. I don't see, "Thou shall not engage in homosexual activities".
#64. To: 82Marine89 (#62)
You have openly admitted on other forums that you weren't raised in a religious family, that you don't regularly attend church...
#65. To: 82Marine89 (#62)
You have openly admitted on other forums that you weren't raised in a religious family, that you don't regularly attend church, that you don't attend Bible study, that all you know is from what you have read. Did you ever stop to think that there is a reason for fellowship? That maybe your knowledge of Christianity can be enhanced? When you teach yourself, you don't know when you make mistakes.
#66. To: All (#64)
#67. To: 82Marine89 (#62)
Did you ever stop to think that there is a reason for fellowship? That maybe your knowledge of Christianity can be enhanced? When you teach yourself, you don't know when you make mistakes.
#68. To: 82Marine89 (#62)
#69. To: Jhoffa_ (#44)
Sampson also brings up the interesting suicide question no one has yet been able to answer to my satisfaction.
#70. To: Jhoffa_ (#64)
The apostles were commen men..
#71. To: 82Marine89 (#70)
But they had a good Teacher. He explained why things were the way they were.
#72. To: 82Marine89 (#62)
You have openly admitted on other forums that you weren't raised in a religious family, that you don't regularly attend church, that you don't attend Bible study,
#73. To: Jhoffa_ (#68)
Do you think homosexuality is a sin, yes or no?
#74. To: A K A Stone (#72)
Part of my problem with churches is they have all seemed to sell out.
#75. To: Zipporah (#69)
#76. To: Jhoffa_ (#75)
If you go to hell for chucking yourself on a landmine and saving 50 people, you'll meet Sampson there and he'll be proud of your efforts.
#77. To: Jhoffa_ (#75)
#78. To: 82Marine89 (#74)
That's bullshit and you know it. It's your excuse not to attend church and justify your thinking.
#79. To: 82Marine89 (#73)
I think the act is a sin, but being a homosexual isn't. And a celibate homosexual is no different than a celibate heterosexual.
#80. To: A K A Stone (#78)
#81. To: 82Marine89 (#80)
My church talks politics. They just don't say who to vote for. No violations there.
#82. To: A K A Stone, All (#0)
"What is this JEWS thing. You sound like a Nazi." -- Mekons4 posted on 2005-06-02 23:41:48 ET
#83. To: 82Marine89 (#76)
That is the difference between giving your life and taking your life.
#84. To: Jhoffa_ (#83)
#85. To: Jhoffa_ (#83)
Sampson was blinded, lost his wife and really had nothing else to live for as a prisioner..
#86. To: Zipporah (#85)
Not so sure about that.. Sampson repented.. and even though he was at the bottom.. and had lost everything.. sometimes that is what it takes for people to repent.. usually isnt when people are on the top of the heap.. His choices caused him to lose it all.
#87. To: A K A Stone (#86)
Some of your posts are quite surprising zip. Pleasantly surprising that is.
#88. To: Zipporah (#85)
#89. To: All (#88)
#90. To: Zipporah (#87)
LOL!! Not quite sure how to take that ??
#91. To: Zipporah (#87)
LOL!! Not quite sure how to take that ??
#92. To: A K A Stone (#90)
I meant on your Bible posts. I took it you were a little hostile to the Bible. You do have some good knowledge to share on it though. Your posts on other subjects I readily agree with.
#93. To: 82Marine89 (#91)
My thoughts exactly.
#94. To: A K A Stone (#90)
I took it you were a little hostile to the Bible.
#95. To: Jhoffa_ (#88)
Given his state, his (potential) future, the circumstances and the evil men who controlled him and what they had done.. I consider this a heroic jesture.
#96. To: Zipporah (#92)
#97. To: A K A Stone (#96)
Well put it this way. Your not exactly in agreement with me on creationism. I guess hostile to the Bible wasn't a good way to word it. In other words I was trying to give you a compliment.
#98. To: NOLAJBS (#82)
#99. To: Zipporah (#97)
what do you think the purpose of the bible is?
#100. To: christine (#98)
bush was one of the very few not mentioned in this article. ;)
#101. To: A K A Stone (#100)
I voted for the asshole in 2000.
#102. To: Jhoffa_ (#101)
I voted for the asshole in 2000.
#103. To: christine (#98)
bush was one of the very few not mentioned in this article. ;)
"What is this JEWS thing. You sound like a Nazi." -- Mekons4 posted on 2005-06-02 23:41:48 ET
#104. To: A K A Stone (#99)
If he can destroy peoples faith in evolution, then perhaps they
will again be open to Gods word as revealed in the Bible. His motive is to have
more people believe in God IMO.
#105. To: Zipporah (#104)
Only the Holy Spirit can move someone to God.. the Holy Spirit is the revealer of truth..
#106. To: A K A Stone (#105)
Yes, but they can become open to Gods word after they give up the false teachings of evolution.
#107. To: Zipporah (#106)
The cart doesnt come before the horse..
#108. To: NOLAJBS (#103)
If the Christian-Reich's position of defending marriage is to pass a Federal Marriage Amendment to the Constitution, they are dead wrong. They are crying for more government is all they are doing. 501(c)(3) GOP shills!
#109. To: A K A Stone (#107)
#110. To: Zipporah (#109)
A day is a thousand years to God.
#111. To: A K A Stone (#110)
and a thousand years as a day. What's the point. Genesis clearly defines it with day and night cycles. Do you think their was a thousand years of darkness. All the plants would have died. Genesis is very clear. The Gap theory is a compromise. The holy spirit works through people. Through their words. When people discredit evolution the holy spirit is with them.
#112. To: Zipporah (#111)
#113. To: Zipporah, A K A Stone (#111)
#114. To: 82Marine89 (#113)
#115. To: A K A Stone (#112)
God told us how it was done for a reason. It does matter. It lets bullshit theories like evolution take root.
#116. To: 82Marine89 (#113)
#117. To: Jhoffa_ (#42)
#118. To: Mekons4 (#117)
Do you really think that was written by god?
#119. To: Jhoffa_ (#118)
#120. To: Mekons4 (#117)
My bitch is special privilidges based on sexual behavior on this earthly plane.
#121. To: Mekons4 (#119)
The ark held hundreds of millions animals and food to feed them for hundreds of days?
#122. To: Mekons4 (#119)
#123. To: Mekons4 (#119)
The ark held hundreds of millions animals and food to feed them for hundreds of days?
#124. To: Zipporah (#123)
#125. To: Jhoffa_ (#124)
Watching Ma become an actress?
#126. To: Zipporah (#125)
#127. To: Jhoffa_ (#126)
#128. To: Zipporah (#127)
#129. To: Jhoffa_ (#128)
#130. To: Zipporah (#129)
Homosexuality Is A Sin!
#131. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#130)
So is coveting and taking the Lord's name in vain along with about 10 hundred million thousand other things depending on whom you ask and how they interpret the Good Book.
#132. To: 82Marine89 (#22)
"...what if they were born that way?"
#133. To: wakeup (#132)
If it's genetic, how is the gene passed to the next generation?
#134. To: A K A Stone (#0)
If you doubt this, I invite you to consider the wicked lives of some of these moral degenerates—men like Lenin, Mussolini, Hitler, Marx, Jim Jones, Alfred Kinsey, Michael Jackson, Jacques DeMolay, Bill Clinton, Jim Bakker, Jimmy Swaggart, Mick Jagger, Aleister Crowley, Hubert Humphrey, Paul Tsongas, Martin Luther King, Mario Cuomo, Rudy Giuliani, Jeffrey Dahmer, Richard Speck, and John Wayne Gacy.
#135. To: Mekons4 (#119)
If you believe every word in those books, you really have problems. The bible is a total joke. Its message is sometimes good, but most of the time, it's a pretty evil document.
#136. To: 82Marine89 (#133)
Why do I have black hair and olive skin while my brother and four sisters are fair haired and fair skinned?
#137. To: A K A Stone, *You Gotta Be Shitting Me* (#0)
 | So many morons, so few bullets. |
#138. To: BTP Holdings (#134)
Yeah, just ask Ernst Rohm. Actually Hitler was Asexual, more than anything else. He didn't even consumate his marriage to Eva Braun.
Mussolini and Hitler were social moralists and looked with disdain upon homosexuality. To say otherwise is historically inaccurate and nothing but a damn lie!
| So many morons, so few bullets. |
#139. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#137)
tommy, i do get a kick out of you. ;)
#140. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#137)
What's with you and English cops??
God I love boobies.
Why should we hear about body bags and deaths. Oh, I mean, it's not relevant. So why should I waste my beautiful mind on something like that? -- Big Mama Bush
#141. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#137)
I really wanna know Tommy: Who is this God to whom you profess your love of boobies??
#142. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#138)
Gee whiz, I sure wish we had more information on that. Who was there? I think they are all dead now. Gen. Leon DeGrelle was the last surviving leader of that time period and he knew Hitler intimately. DeGrelle has never mentioned a word about this and I have read much of his writings. ;0)
Actually Hitler was Asexual, more than anything else. He didn't even consumate his marriage to Eva Braun.
"It is common to assume that human progress affects everyone – that even the dullest man, in these bright days, knows more than any man of, say, the Eighteenth Century, and is far more civilized. This assumption is quite erroneous...The great masses of men, even in this inspired republic, are precisely where the mob was at the dawn of history. They are ignorant, they are dishonest, they are cowardly, they are ignoble. They know little if anything that is worth knowing, and there is not the slightest sign of a natural desire among them to increase their knowledge." H.L. Mencken
#143. To: A K A Stone (#0)
In the 14th century, a Catholic band of crusaders known as the Order of Knights Templar grew in power and riches. They and their leader, their Sovereign Grand Master, Frenchman Jacques DeMolay, built temples and tabernacles of worship. Only Knights Templar initiates could enter therein. Soon, reports spread of the grotesque and unseemly mode of worship of these depraved men. Their secret religion was based on worship of an androgynous (1/2 male, 1/2 female) satanic goat god named Baphomet. In the Knights Templar rituals, a crucifix of Jesus was reviled and urinated on, and homosexual orgies were rumored. Strangely, the seal, or coat of arms, of the Order depicted two knights riding on one horse! Was this an emblem of their homosexual passion or, as the Templars protested, a statement of their "brotherly love?" When the rumors and gossip of their antichrist activities reached a feverish pitch, the Kings of continental Europe were forced to move against the Order. Their Sovereign Grand Master, DeMolay, was tried, convicted and burned at the stake, their temples shut down. Amazingly, the Knights Templar survived, hiding out in Scotland and underground in Europe. Then, in the 1800s, they made a startling comeback in the new form of Freemasonry! Today, the Masonic youth group is even named the DeMolays. Bill Clinton, as a teenager, was a member of this organization. Baphomet Baphomet, the half male, half female goat god of the Knights Templar, was revived by Eliphas Levi, the infamous 19th century Freemason and magician and reportedly is worshipped today by homosexual cults. This nonsense was extracted by torture! Levi was nobody's Mason! If this is any indicator; the author is nuts! As far as I'm concerned, queers should be exiled to a remote island in the middle of the Atlantic; or burned at the stake. BUT, let's keep views within the context of honesty! Too many forget that "civilization" is the rejection of paganism. You want in; follow the rules! The Knights Templar and Baphomet
#144. To: Rabble Rouser (#136)
That's just it, we all look alike, I just have a different complexion than the others.
Ever seen King of the Hill?
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#145. To: 82Marine89 (#144)
Maybe you have a different father.
#146. To: randge (#141)
This would be the God who gave us Nadine Jansen, Bettie Ballhaus, and Milena Velba. That God.
| So many morons, so few bullets. |
#147. To: A K A Stone (#145)
Gee.... What a very nice thing to say to someone.
#148. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#147)
I said MAYBE. It could be if he is different then the others.
Gee.... What a very nice thing to say to someone.
#149. To: A K A Stone (#148)
ummmm.... AKA, I come from a family of 13 children. Some of us have black hair, some are blond and we even got a redhead thrown in the mix. Genetics are like that - they skip generations and such. And btw.... we all have the same Dad and Mom.
#150. To: A K A Stone (#145)
Unlike you, I know who my parents are.
Maybe you have a different father.
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#151. To: A K A Stone (#148)
Actually, you insinuated that my mother slept around. What is your fixation with homosexuals about anyway? Were you buggered by a priest as a child?
I said MAYBE. It could be if he is different then the others.
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#152. To: 82Marine89 (#133)
(response) "Why do I have black hair and olive skin while my brother and four sisters are fair haired and fair skinned? Genetics?" Allow me to clarify. Homosexuals do not reproduce and create offspring. How is the gene passed to the next generation if there are no children?
"If it's genetic, how is the gene passed to the next generation?"
Adolf Hitler... "What luck for rulers that men do not think." John F. Kennedy... "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
#153. To: wakeup (#152)
What about people with Downs Syndrome? Does the same question apply?
Homosexuals do not reproduce and create offspring. How is the gene passed to the next generation if there are no children?
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#154. To: Zipporah, A K A Stone (#1)
I agree sin is sin. I don't understand these rabid homophobes, I suspect perhaps they have deep-seated fears that they may be that way? After all they say it's a "choice". Anyone who is fixed in their sexuality never makes that choice, they are what they are, so I can't help but wonder about those who insist it is. Rather bizarre article.
You know to God all sin is the same.. no distinction between mortal and venial sin... sin is sin in God's eyes and it's the person's sin condition that is the issue w/God..
#155. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#146)
What about Pandora Peaks?
This would be the God who gave us Nadine Jansen, Bettie Ballhaus, and Milena Velba. That God.
"Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth." - Albert Einstein
#156. To: Jhoffa_, christine, Dakmar, A K A Stone (#26)
Noooooooooo!!! Now that Gary Glitter song is stuck in my head again!!
How do you feel about older men who are attracted to 9 YO girls?
#157. To: Diana (#156)
Damn, girl: I thought you'd left the planet!
#158. To: wakeup (#152)
I will tell folks I know who are homosexual and did just that you think they don't reproduce. Their kids will find it hilarious that they don't exist.
Homosexuals do not reproduce and create offspring.
#159. To: A K A Stone (#0)
Organized pedophiles? Are you shitting me? Homosexuals are BORN not made or seduced,this is Robertson/Falwell poppycock...
The homosexual activist movement and organized pedophiles are linked together by a common goal: To gain access to children for seduction into homosexuality.
The former head of the National Security Agency, Retired Lt. General William Odom, said, "The invasion of Iraq, I believe, will turn out to be the greatest strategic disaster in U.S. history."
#160. To: mirage (#158)
Read carefully what he said bigot. There is an "s" at the end. So he is correct. Homos don't reproduce.
Homosexuals do not reproduce and create offspring.
#161. To: A K A Stone (#160)
Bigot? Excuse me? You owe me an apology. Well, I've seen kids who are proof that said people do. I don't know where you've been.
Read carefully what he said bigot. There is an "s" at the end. So he is correct. Homos don't reproduce.
#162. To: Steppenwolf (#159)
No, he's not.. Perhaps you've heard of NAMBLA? There's no proof of that and, further.. Some homosexuals will tell you that's not the case.
Organized pedophiles? Are you shitting me?
Homosexuals are BORN not made or seduced,this is Robertson/Falwell poppycock...
Dubya to the serfs: "It's Raining!"
#163. To: Jhoffa_ (#162)
There are some gays who are nuttier than AKA Stone, so what? I heard about this white guy at Harvard says white people are evil, does that make it so?
And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush
#164. To: Dakmar (#163)
The "So what" is that we have an entire segment of society demanding special rights and privilidges based on their sexual behavior. Are pedophiles next? They claim to be "born" that was also and likewise go to great length to justify their behavior.. Should crimes against them bear harsher penalties simply by virtue of who they boink? That's a really poor analogy..
There are some gays who are nuttier than AKA Stone, so what?
I heard about this white guy at Harvard says white people are evil, does that make it so?
Dubya to the serfs: "It's Raining!"
#165. To: Jhoffa_ (#162)
There is a much larger problem with men who molest little girls, why aren't we worried about that?
No, he's not.. Perhaps you've heard of NAMBLA?
And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush
#166. To: Steppenwolf (#159)
I used to work for a guy. He was married. He thought it was ok to have sex kids. Im not sure how old, but he thought it should be much lower. Another story about this guy, and his brother. I was over there working on his parents house one day. And all the two brothers kids were running around naked, except for the oldest girl. This was from kindergarten age to about 12. They were running around naked with capes on. I was going downstairs to go to lunch. There was the grandma tying a cape around a naked kid that was about 11 or 12. I couldn't believe it. I mean what if I was some kind of weirdo or something.
#167. To: Dakmar (#165)
Who said we weren't worried about that? The gays are a bigger threat, being disease carriers and all. Ever heard of AIDS?
There is a much larger problem with men who molest little girls, why aren't we worried about that?
#168. To: Dakmar (#165)
I thought we were?
There is a much larger problem with men who molest little girls, why aren't we worried about that?
Dubya to the serfs: "It's Raining!"
#169. To: mirage (#161)
Well you sometimes come across as an anti christian one.
Bigot? Excuse me? You owe me an apology.
#170. To: Jhoffa_ (#164)
They should have exact same legal rights as everyone else. I say we abolish marriege as a state institution altogether, hire expesnsive east coast lawyers to handle all the details... I'm against many parts of the "homosexual agenda", but so are many of the few gay people I know. Did you know it's legal to marry a 12 year old girl in Delaware?
The "So what" is that we have an entire segment of society demanding special rights and privilidges based on their sexual behavior.
And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush
#171. To: Dakmar (#170)
So the government should get involved and tell churches what to do. You sound like your part of the radical homo movement. Even if the government said fags could get married, it wouldn't be so. You can't have a square circle, that would be gay.
I say we abolish marriege
#172. To: A K A Stone (#167)
Well by your logic once boys are raped they become gay anyway, so doesn't the problem solve itself eventually, or do you just want to torment them a little more before they die?
Who said we weren't worried about that? The gays are a bigger threat, being disease carriers and all. Ever heard of AIDS?
And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush
#173. To: A K A Stone (#171)
No, you fucking idiot, so it is a private agreement between two people who may or may not choose to involve a church. The main idea there was to get the government out of the churches. You really are stupid; really, really fucking stupid.
So the government should get involved and tell churches what to do.
And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush
#174. To: A K A Stone (#166)
You are. You claim to be a Christian, yet you incite flamewars and call people names. You invoke the name of God in a sad attempt to justify your lack of self-esteem and/or self-worth. I truly hope there is a warmer spot in Hell for people like you.
I mean what if I was some kind of weirdo or something.
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#175. To: Dakmar (#170)
Me too and there's a good reason why, it goes way beyond bigotry.. In fact, it's the bigotry that bothers me about this. What you're doing with these special rights is saying that the poor old widow down the street doesn't deserve equal justice when she's knocked down and stripped of her SS check because she's not a lesbian. It's a completely bigoted proposal if you stand it on it's head.. Suits me.. The Chruch's Marriage and the States contract of "Marriage" have always been two completely seperate things anyway. The Church's union has religious implications and places religious rules and restraraints on the participants. Whereas, "Marriage" of the State is really nothing but a piece of paper. IMO, it's main purpose is for the purposes of taxation and the distribution of assets in the event of a failure. Yeah.. That's decent. There's a huge difference between asking for tolernace and equality under the law and demanding special legal recognition based on your bedroom behavior. Hey! I thought everyone wanted government OUT of there anyway? Then Gary Glitter is far more of a stupid fucker than I thought.. and IMO the law should be changed. The way I see it, I don't care who married who at what age in the past, 12 yo's simply aren't equipped to make decisions like this. Just because it was allowed way back when doesn't mean it was a good idea.
They should have exact same legal rights as everyone else.
I say we abolish marriege as a state institution altogether, hire expesnsive east coast lawyers to handle all the details...
I'm against many parts of the "homosexual agenda", but so are many of the few gay people
I know. Did you know it's legal to marry a 12 year old girl in Delaware?
It is? Really?
Dubya to the serfs: "It's Raining!"
#176. To: A K A Stone (#167)
Why do you view homosexuals as a threat?
The gays are a bigger threat,
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#177. To: A K A Stone (#171)
Sure it would, they'd have a marriage contract, filed by a Judge and recognized by the State. They'd be "Married" The problem is, there's not one "Marriage" but two. God's covenant and the States contract. If you consider it for a minute, you'll realize just how different they really are.
Even if the government said fags could get married, it wouldn't be so.
Dubya to the serfs: "It's Raining!"
#178. To: Jhoffa_ (#20)
No he didn't. Rumor has it that Jesus was balding and had a hooked schnozz, kind of like this guy: Jesus had long hair
#179. To: Jhoffa_ (#175)
Social engineering is the root of the problem, not any particular group, no matter how much the social engineers encourage you to point fingers.
And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush
#180. To: PnbC (#178)
Didn't he play a bit part on "Rhoda" ?
Dubya to the serfs: "It's Raining!"
#181. To: PnbC (#178)
Rothbard as Jesus...need someone to write the music for that?
And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush
#182. To: Jhoffa_ (#177)
You wan't his lil mellon haid to bust?
If you consider it for a minute
And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush
#183. To: Dakmar (#182)
He'll throw a cat on you for that.. There's really a stark contrast between the two if you consider it.. Although people traditionally speak of them synonymously.
Dubya to the serfs: "It's Raining!"
#184. To: Jhoffa_ (#175)
And you call yourself a friend of states rights...
I don't care who married who at what age in the past, 12 yo's simply aren't equipped to make decisions like this.
And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush
#185. To: Jhoffa_ (#183)
Well aware of that, old sport, do try to keep up. :)
There's really a stark contrast between the two if you consider it..
And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush
#186. To: Dakmar (#184)
I'll let the people of the state decide what age is appropriate to find Gary Glitter crouched in their daughters closet. If they decide the right age is 12 years, I then reserve the right to mock & ridicule them, and then send the whole state to mandatory parenting classes taught by Woody Allen.
And you call yourself a friend of states rights...
Dubya to the serfs: "It's Raining!"
#187. To: A K A Stone (#166)
Were you upset because they didn't invite you to undress and put on a cape and run around naked with them...? You sound disappointed.
There was the grandma tying a cape around a naked kid that was about 11 or 12.
The former head of the National Security Agency, Retired Lt. General William Odom, said, "The invasion of Iraq, I believe, will turn out to be the greatest strategic disaster in U.S. history."
#188. To: Dakmar (#184)
Expressing an opinion about a State law does not mean I advocate overthrowing it at a higher level. Do try to keep up there, tiger.
And you call yourself a friend of states rights...
Dubya to the serfs: "It's Raining!"
#189. To: Steppenwolf, A K A Stoned (#187)
I want to know why he stayed there and looked at them.
Were you upset because they didn't invite you to undress and put on a cape and run around naked with them...? You sound disappointed.
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#190. To: Jhoffa_ (#188)
Please don't make me put a smiley face at the end of each line. I will, you know, in a heartbeat. Beets are good for your heart I read in some Russian propaganda. Leave it to them, I guess, you ever see their cathedrals?
Do try to keep up there, tiger.
And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush
#191. To: Dakmar (#190)
You wouldn't dare.. Polak!
Please don't make me put a smiley face at the end of each line. I will, you know, in a heartbeat.
Dubya to the serfs: "It's Raining!"
#192. To: Dakmar (#172)
Explain please.
Well by your logic once boys are raped they become gay anyway,
#193. To: 82Marine89 (#176)
Because God said so. Why do you defend them so much. Why do you think they are not a threat.
Why do you view homosexuals as a threat?
#194. To: 82Marine89 (#174)
No I just call people who call me names names. Jesus started a flame war when he said he was the ONLY way.
You claim to be a Christian, yet you incite flamewars and call people names
#195. To: Dakmar (#173)
The institution of marriage was created by God. Keep your statis hands off of it you pervert.
#196. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#149)
I was only joking anyway.
#197. To: All (#196)
I think I'm going to go find a nice, quiet Israel/Palestinian thread..
Dubya to the serfs: "It's Raining!"
#198. To: A K A Stone (#192)
Explain please. Maybe you should explain what you mean when you post about homosexuals "recruiting". You apparently seem to think that everyone is heterosexual until they are "switched" by agents of Free Thinking or some other nonsense that frightens you. I wish we had Jesuit schools in our little UAW towns...
Well by your logic once boys are raped they become gay anyway,
And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush
#199. To: Steppenwolf (#187)
No I thought it was weird. The guy I was working with thought it was strange too.
Were you upset because they didn't invite you to undress and put on a cape and run around naked with them...? You sound disappointed.
#200. To: A K A Stone (#195)
dear lord, stone really is retarded...
The institution of marriage was created by God. Keep your statis hands off of it you pervert.
And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush
#201. To: 82Marine89 (#189)
I never said that sicko. I only saw them in perepherial vision. Kind of hard to avoid it when its right there.
I want to know why he stayed there and looked at them.
#202. To: Jhoffa_ (#197)
Not so fast, we're taking this thread to Havana, HA!
I think I'm going to go find a nice, quiet Israel/Palestinian thread..
And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush
#203. To: Dakmar (#198)
You are blind of you don't know that.
Maybe you should explain what you mean when you post about homosexuals "recruiting".
#204. To: Dakmar (#202)
Dubya to the serfs: "It's Raining!"
#205. To: Dakmar (#200)
Find me something that predates the Bible and sanctions marriage. You athiests and stuff shouldn't get married if you hate God so much.
#206. To: A K A Stone, 82Marine89 (#193)
You stole that line from Mary Hartman, Mary Hartman. Shame on you, you sick little monkey.
Because God said so. Why do you defend them so much. Why do you think they are not a threat.
And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush
#207. To: Dakmar (#206)
No it popped out of my head. Who is Mary Hartman?
#208. To: A K A Stone (#207)
Dubya to the serfs: "It's Raining!"
#209. To: A K A Stone (#207)
Do you have an internet connection?
Who is Mary Hartman?
And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush
#210. To: Dakmar (#209)
Sure I could look it up if I wanted to. My point was I don't even know who she is. Nor do I really care.
#211. To: Dakmar (#209)
No im sending these messages through a steel plate in my hand. It interacts with my thoughts. The tin foil hat on my head amplifies the signal. I don't really understand it but it works. I just think it and it does its thing.
Do you have an internet connection?
#212. To: A K A Stone, 82Marine89 (#203)
I will say AKA that the article you posted is excellent and the thread is pretty good too. I agree with your assertion that god created marriages, I don't see how a 'christian' person could disagree with you on that point. I'm amused that the fellow 82Marine89 hasn't read the bible and yet he makes accusations that others haven't. I'd say his IQ is in his screen name. I think the basic assertion of the article that there is something very evil about homosexuality is true. I'm glad we can practice free-speech here and say these things. Those who have evolved down to a lower level (82Marine89 for example) are trying to squelch free speech.
#213. To: Red Jones (#212)
You sure got that right.
squelch free speech.
#214. To: A K A Stone (#210)
Mary Hartman was a tv character from 1970's show 'Mary Harman Mary Harman'. The only thing I can add to conversation on this thread is to say that it is true that homosexuality is a sin. Those who practice a pervert lifestyle are doing something very bad. We should not glorify it or make excuses for it or pretend that it is not bad. We are welcoming evil into our nation's culture and life when we normalize and/or embrace homosexuality. It is true. and we are as a nation normalizing and embracing homosexuality more than any other nation by far. Our schools are encouraging it. Look at how our network tv encourages it as well. At the same time evil oozes from the human heart. People don't generally produce anything good. They NEVER produce anything really good. There are many avenues through which a human can be evil and do evil and speak evil. Homosexuality is only but one of many such avenues. We should remember that the root of all evil comes from the love of money.
#215. To: Red Jones (#214)
I thought the love of other men's keysters was the problem.. ?
We should remember that the root of all evil comes from the love of money.
Dubya to the serfs: "It's Raining!"
#216. To: Jhoffa_ (#215)
1Ti 6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
I thought the love of other men's keysters was the problem..
#217. To: A K A Stone (#210)
You cared enough to say you didn't care. That's a pro-active choice, by the way, not just incidental chatter. It's all going in my report.
Sure I could look it up if I wanted to. My point was I don't even know who she is. Nor do I really care.
And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush
#218. To: Dakmar (#217)
You're trying to shut me up aren't you?
It's all going in my report.
#219. To: Jhoffa_ (#215)
There's gold in them thar holes! Let's let the slimewads exploit human frailty, yawhooo!
And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush
#220. To: Red Jones (#216)
Then what about Cain? A financial motive tied to his offering? I don't know that there were even monitary units as such in play at that point.
Dubya to the serfs: "It's Raining!"
#221. To: Jhoffa_ (#220)
Yeah he did profit from being cheap with his offering.
Then what about Cain? A financial motive tied to his offering?
#222. To: Dakmar (#219)
That's so gross. Away from me, Linonophobiac!
Dubya to the serfs: "It's Raining!"
#223. To: A K A Stone (#221)
Simple greed would seem to fit the bill.
Dubya to the serfs: "It's Raining!"
#224. To: A K A Stone (#169)
And you appear to hate gays, Catholics, or anyone who disagrees with your doctrinal stance. What was that about motes and beams? I just despise hypocrisy and ignorance and where I see it, I attempt to correct it. If that makes me a bigot, so be it. If "Christians" are as ignorant of history and the multiple facets and denominations within their own religion as they are showing, then they deserve to be rebuked and corrected.
Well you sometimes come across as an anti christian one.
#225. To: Dakmar (#219)
First they came for the frail,...
Let's let the slimewads exploit human frailty, yawhooo!
#226. To: A K A Stone (#218)
Quite the contrary, I'm trying to get you to spill the beans about the Honduran refugees.
You're trying to shut me up aren't you?
And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush
#227. To: Rabble Rouser (#225)
And no one liked them anyway, so the sheeple bleated in unison thankfulness to the great protecter...great protecter laughed, quietly at first
First they came for the frail,...
And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush
#228. To: Dakmar (#226)
SSHHHHHHHHHH!!!!
Quite the contrary, I'm trying to get you to spill the beans about the Honduran refugees.
#229. To: Jhoffa_ (#222)
I already told you I can't have string in the house because of the cat, quit taunting me, I'm not an animal!
And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush
#230. To: A K A Stone (#228)
You're trying to shut me up, aren't you?
SSHHHHHHHHHH!!!!
And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush
#231. To: Dakmar (#230)
No im trying to be funny. Did you laugh?
#232. To: mirage (#224)
No I don't hate them. I love everyone.
And you appear to hate gays, Catholics, or anyone who disagrees with your doctrinal stance. What was that about motes and beams?
#233. To: A K A Stone (#232)
What then, for instance, do you propose we change about the manner in which homosexuals are treated by our society? You wouldn't be posting all this nonsense if you didn't have "A Plan".
No I don't hate them. I love everyone.
And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush
#234. To: A K A Stone (#231)
Quit trying, much funnier that way.
No im trying to be funny. Did you laugh?
And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush
#235. To: Dakmar (#233)
I wouldn't make someone rent to them if they didn't want to. It is their property right they should be to rent to who they want to. Stop putting fag books in public schools. Get the fags some mental help. That would be a couple things to start on. Also take away all their special rights when it comes to crimes against them. Treat them like everyone else. Don't force employers to give them health care. They drive up the costs for normal people.
What then, for instance, do you propose we change about the manner in which homosexuals are treated by our society? You wouldn't be posting all this nonsense if you didn't have "A Plan".
#236. To: Dakmar (#234)
That is almost like an insult.
Quit trying, much funnier that way.
#237. To: A K A Stone, Dakmar (#195)
I don't know about how God sees it, but I sure as Hell wouldn't want my name associated in any way, shape or form with what "marriage" has morphed into. As far as homosexuals wanting into the institution of "marriage," I used to be in the "Hell No!" camp, but now I not only want them to have it, I DEMAND that they have it and all of the shit that goes with it. I want them to deal with the monster that is the "family court" system, the ruined credit, losing at least half of what they worked for, 401k's and pensions cashed out to pay the god damned lawyers...all of it. And if they adopted any kids, I really want them to share in the fun that is custody, visitation and "child support." Trust me....I'm not doing them any favors. Give them the whole shit-sandwitch. In five years, tops, they will be screaming to get rid of it. Misery shared is misery lessened as far as I'm concerned.
The institution of marriage was created by God.
"If they ever drained all of the bullshit out of your average bush-bot, you could bury what's left of him in a matchbox."
#238. To: Red Jones, AKA Stone (#212)
I'm amused that the fellow 82Marine89 hasn't read the bible and yet he makes accusations that others haven't. And what might those accusations be? Those who have evolved down to a lower level (82Marine89 for example) are trying to squelch free speech. Not once have I tried to squelch free speech. Please show me where you think I have.
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#239. To: orangedog (#237)
You sound like you had a bad experience with marriage. Im sorry if that's the case. My wife is great. I wouldn't want to go through life without her.
#240. To: 82Marine89 (#238)
You sent a message to unamused that got me banned. You even gloated about it. Are you the ones sending letters to landlocked talking about the 700 club?
#241. To: A K A Stone (#235)
All of that sounds perfectly reasonable to me, except the part about getting them help. List it on something that lets them have counselling if they want it, like anyone else with a destructive emotional problem, but "get them help" sounds kind of Clockwork Orange.
I wouldn't make someone rent to them if they didn't want to. It is their property right they should be to rent to who they want to. Stop putting fag books in public schools. Get the fags some mental help. That would be a couple things to start on. Also take away all their special rights when it comes to crimes against them. Treat them like everyone else. Don't force employers to give them health care. They drive up the costs for normal people.
#242. To: orangedog (#237)
Wow, who would have thought bringing politicians and bureaucrats into the mix was anything short of genius?
And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush
#243. To: 82Marine89 (#238)
that's just my general impression based on reading the thread. But I'm not going to have a discussion with you over it.
#244. To: A K A Stone (#193)
Because what a person does in the privacy of his own home is his own business. That is what this country was founded on. Also, in America, man's law is what we enforce, not the Bible. If these people have not broken any laws, you have no right to say they are guilty of something. BTW, more pedophiles are heterosexual, than homosexual. What say you to that?
Why do you defend them so much. Why do you think they are not a threat.
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#245. To: Rabble Rouser (#241)
Damn, now I'm gonna have to go queue up some Puccini.
And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush
#246. To: Rabble Rouser (#241)
I just threw that in there because I knew how some people will react to it. It did used to be listed as a mental disorder until the AMA was infultrated by sodomites. Clockwork Orange.....That was a kool movie. Kind of sick but very entertaining.
All of that sounds perfectly reasonable to me, except the part about getting them help. List it on something that lets them have counselling if they want it, like anyone else with a destructive emotional problem, but "get them help" sounds kind of Clockwork Orange.
#247. To: Red Jones (#243)
Actually I think I sound more like a Libertarian than a Conservative on this thread.
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#248. To: A K A Stone (#240)
I didn't send anything to Bret that got you banned. You did that yourself Mr. Phelps.
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#249. To: 82Marine89 (#244)
BTW, more pedophiles are heterosexual, than homosexual. What say you to that? Then they should get back in the closet. Stop getting in everyones face and forcing us to accept their mental problem. Forcing us to say their mental problem is a good thing. I really don't care what they do in their own house. Just get the pro fag books out of government schools. Put the NAMBLA people in jail etc. I don't know the stats if their are more hetro then homo pedophiles. But its probably true since their are more hetro people then people who choose to be faggots. It's kind of funny watching you defend fags. Sometimes when you insult someone you call them things like cum sucking faggots.
Because what a person does in the privacy of his own home is his own business. That is what this country was founded on. Also, in America, man's law is what we enforce, not the Bible. If these people have not broken any laws, you have no right to say they are guilty of something.
#250. To: 82Marine89 (#248)
Yes you did. You posted me a message that said watch this. Then you posted some thread whining about me stalking you. Anyway no big deal...water under the bridge. Did you have a nice thanksgiving?
I didn't send anything to Bret that got you banned. You did that yourself Mr. Phelps.
#251. To: Dakmar (#245)
Like 'puccino, but "zippier." I suspect you may be an asshole. Not entirely sure, but suspicious...
some Puccini
#252. To: A K A Stone (#249)
It's kind of why I served in the Marine Corps, So they could have the same rights as every American. I don't have to agree with their sex life or your point of view, but I will lay my life down so that you all may keep it.
It's kind of funny watching you defend fags.
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#253. To: A K A Stone (#250)
Got proof of me partaking in a conspiracy to get you banned?
Yes you did. You posted me a message that said watch this. Then you posted some thread whining about me stalking you.
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#254. To: 82Marine89 (#247)
Libertarians hold property rights to be completely sacrosanct.. At least the thousand or so I've spoken with over the years. That incudes the right of the property owner to exclude anyone he wishes and for any reason, including but not limited to sex, race, sexual behavior, the color of their car or truck, their height or musical preferences, etc.
Actually I think I sound more like a Libertarian than a Conservative on this thread.
Dubya to the serfs: "It's Raining!"
#255. To: 82Marine89 (#253)
Ho, so it was a "conspiracy," was it? Nobody said anything about any "conspiracy." Who else was involved in this? Tell us what we want to know!
#256. To: Rabble Rouser (#255)
I don't think I talked to you to much. Nice to meet you Mr. Rouser. Your funny by the way.
#257. To: Jhoffa_ (#254)
I am defending a homosexuals right to be what they want. Within the boundaries of the law, of course. Regardless of whether I agree with it.
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#258. To: Rabble Rouser (#251)
I suspect you may be an asshole. Not entirely sure, but suspicious... I meant Rossini, thieving magpie. I'm not an asshole, I'm a dick.
Like 'puccino, but "zippier."
And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush
#259. To: Rabble Rouser (#255)
Well there was the Riddler, the Penguin, some Joker guy, and Jesus H. Christ himself.
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#260. To: Jhoffa_ (#254)
That incudes the right of the property owner to exclude anyone he wishes and for any reason, including but not limited to sex, race, sexual behavior, the color of their car or truck, their height or musical preferences, etc. None of it would be a problem but for the evil do-gooder social engineers.
Libertarians hold property rights to be completely sacrosanct.. At least the thousand or so I've spoken with over the years.
And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush
#261. To: A K A Stone (#239)
The people in Pompei who have been frozen in vulcanic ash for centuries had a "bad experience." At least they only had to worry about the situation for a few hours...a day, tops. The ex-wife entered into her 4th "marriage" about three years ago at the ripe old age of 32. The only things I have in defending my judgement is that I was 19 and had the distinction of being the first of her mugging victims. #'s 2, 3, and 4 don't even have that. A couple more years #4 will get the same treatment as those he followed and then she'll be sizing up candidates for the #5 spot. "Bad experience?!" the last time I even went on a date, the Democrats controlled both houses of congress and the white house. And to tell you the truth, my own father is on either his 4th or 5th "marriage." I've seriously lost count. If marriage is working out for you, that's great. I Hope it lasts you forever. But try to understand why there are no small number of people out there who aren't going to be marching with pitch-forks and torches to defend an institution that screws over half of the people who enter into it.
"If they ever drained all of the bullshit out of your average bush-bot, you could bury what's left of him in a matchbox."
#262. To: A K A Stone (#256)
Did you say "conspiracy?" It seemed like the first time I heard anything about any conspiracy was when someone said(in a gloating tone) that you had no "proof" of one. That would make me paranoid, if I were you. Not in a clinical way, but more like a suspicious way. What the hell is this 86 guy doing, anyway? And he's accusing you of stalking? Too much sneakiness going on for my taste.
#263. To: Rabble Rouser (#262)
He was sending me threating PM's. I still have them saved. On the forum he was acting innocent.
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#264. To: Rabble Rouser, all here (#262)
I would say that if you believe in any sort of Biblical thoughts - packing fudge is not the correct way to go. There may be serious consequences thereof. Choose your hole wisely. Cheers.
#265. To: Dakmar (#242)
Especially when they can appeal to the baser instincts of humans and get people to turn on each other. The next time you get a GOPher prattling on about how some other party is attacking "marriage," remind them what party the first governor to sign no-fault divorce into law belonged to.
Wow, who would have thought bringing politicians and bureaucrats into the mix was anything short of genius?
"If they ever drained all of the bullshit out of your average bush-bot, you could bury what's left of him in a matchbox."
#266. To: Dakmar (#258)
I can't believe you called me a magpie right here in the open forum.
I meant Rossini, thieving magpie.
#267. To: orangedog (#261)
Did you mean "screws over" half the people or screws "over half the people". Inquiring minds wanna know :)
an institution that screws over half of the people who enter into it.
(The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the only true good news)
#268. To: orangedog (#265)
Someone else does understand :)
Especially when they can appeal to the baser instincts of humans and get people to turn on each other.
And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush
#269. To: Rabble Rouser (#266)
These things happen, won't be the last time.
I can't believe you called me a magpie right here in the open forum.
And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush
#270. To: Dakmar (#269)
You have your report, I have a piece of paper with two columns. *clap* *clap* ... Dance for my pleaszhah!
#271. To: Rabble Rouser (#270)
How many wrenches can this Spaniard fit in his mouth?
And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush
#272. To: 82Marine89 (#263)
I don't want to rehash it, but that is an outright lie. How about posting it. Not a cut and paste, but a screen shot. You've made up shit before.
He was sending me threating PM's.
#273. To: Starwind (#267)
The lack of hyphenation between "screws" and "over" was my mistake. File this one along with "You can't put too much water into a nuclear reactor." :^p
Did you mean "screws over" half the people or screws "over half the people". Inquiring minds wanna know :)
"If they ever drained all of the bullshit out of your average bush-bot, you could bury what's left of him in a matchbox."
#274. To: Rabble Rouser, Dakmar (#266)
I meant Rossini, thieving magpie. I can't believe you called me a magpie right here in the open forum. God Damnit, kids...don't make me pull this car over! ;^)
To: Dakmar
"If they ever drained all of the bullshit out of your average bush-bot, you could bury what's left of him in a matchbox."
#275. To: Dakmar (#268)
I long for the days when I didn't.
Someone else does understand :)
"If they ever drained all of the bullshit out of your average bush-bot, you could bury what's left of him in a matchbox."
#276. To: orangedog (#237)
soooo true. (i'm amused)
Trust me....I'm not doing them any favors. Give them the whole shit-sandwitch. In five years, tops, they will be screaming to get rid of it. Misery shared is misery lessened as far as I'm concerned.
#277. To: A K A Stone (#272)
kill kill kill Why are you ashamed of your "marine" training. Why are you such a puss you can't admit to running around yelling kill kill kill.. Because your not a real american. You hire wetbacks. You should leave the country fool. Sent 10/16/2005 10:00:32 am CDT by A K A Stone [Reply] [Delete] [Mark Unread] [Ban Sender] [Message List] [Latest Posts]
don't want to rehash it, but that is an outright lie. How about posting it. Not a cut and paste, but a screen shot. You've made up shit before.
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#278. To: 82Marine89 (#277)
Why are you ashamed of your "marine" training. Why are you such a puss you can't admit to running around yelling kill kill kill.. Because your not a real american. You hire wetbacks. You should leave the country fool. Sent 10/16/2005 10:00:32 am CDT by A K A Stone Yeah I posted that. There was an article that said that the marines go around saying that in their training. I asked you if it was true. You wouldn't answer, probably because you were ashamed. How about an answer now. Did you go around yelling kill kill kill in basic training or while in the marines? If you did don't you agree that that is a brainwashing technique?
kill kill kill
#279. To: 82Marine89 (#277)
What does that have to do about fags though. Maybe it deserves its own thread.
#280. To: A K A Stone (#278)
Would you care to tell the folks here about your sending 8 harassing PM's to me and playing innocent on the threads? You're a troll. No more, no less. This thread is about you bashing homosexuals, not me being in the Corps.
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#281. To: 82Marine89 (#280)
This thread is about you bashing homosexuals, not me being in the Corps. Very telling that you will not answer the question. I thought marines were supposed to be brave.
Would you care to tell the folks here about your sending 8 harassing PM's to me and playing innocent on the threads? You're a troll. No more, no less.
#282. To: Dakmar (#271)
As many as it takes. ; )
How many wrenches can this Spaniard fit in his mouth?
#283. To: 82Marine89 (#280)
Actually its about homos bashing normal people and ruining their lives. What do you dispute from the article?
This thread is about you bashing homosexuals, not me being in the Corps.
#284. To: orangedog (#274)
He started it, though you couldn't tell it by reading his "report." And I didn't actually call him an asshole, I just mentioned that I might not be exactly sure one way or the other.
#285. To: 82Marine89 (#280)
Geezel-Petes! What a fustercluck this thread tirned out to be! Someone pass the popcorn! STRIKE A POSE!
#286. To: CAPPSMADNESS, 82marine89 (#285)
The marine always seems to have a good supply of popcorn.
Geezel-Petes! What a fustercluck this thread tirned out to be! Someone pass the popcorn!
#287. To: A K A Stone (#286)
I hope it ain't that kettle corn shit - that stuff reeks!
#288. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#287)
No it's the cyber kind.
I hope it ain't that kettle corn shit - that stuff reeks!
#289. To: A K A Stone (#283)
Pretty much everything. It's all a bunch of rumors and assumptions. I also don't believe that Martin Luther King was a moral degenerate. As best I can tell, anyone who is not liked by the author is either a queer, flaming homosexual, fagot, lesbian, rug muncher, and other assorted names. I told you earlier that man's law is what we enforce in this country, not God's law.
What do you dispute from the article?
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#290. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#285)
Bunch of gay bashers.
What a fustercluck this thread tirned out to be!
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#291. To: All (#290)
That is a joke. I repeat, a joke.
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#292. To: 82Marine89 (#289)
I heard Martin Luther King had communist connections. I never looked into it to deeply. I respect Martin Luther King. At least the aspect that he was fighting for equal rights for blacks. I agree with him on that.
#293. To: A K A Stone (#292)
Well, your article calls him a moral degenerate and provides no proof.
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#294. To: 82Marine89 (#293)
Just because I post something doesn't mean I agree with every aspect of it. There is a lot in that article. Most of it is accurate.
Well, your article calls him a moral degenerate and provides no proof.
#295. To: 82Marine89 (#289)
you've said that more than once. you seem real proud about that. By your statement you are implying that it is illegitimate to speak of god's law or absolute truths. or you may be thinking that man's law is above god's law.
I told you earlier that man's law is what we enforce in this country, not God's law.
#296. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#285)
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#297. To: 82Marine89, cappsmadness (#296)
Told ya he is tha man with the popcorn. He always seems to have a good supply on hand.
#298. To: 82Marine89 (#296)
I noticed that was two male pac men eating popcorn together. Are they homos?
#299. To: A K A Stone (#297)
But is it Kettle corn????
#300. To: A K A Stone (#298)
DANGNABBIT Muskie! not all smilies are Homos!!!!
#301. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#300)
Come on admit it you laughed.
DANGNABBIT Muskie! not all smilies are Homos!!!!
#302. To: Red Jones (#295)
I am proud of that. That is what makes this country so great. God's law, the Bible, provides a basic guideline on how to live your life, but it does not supersede the laws of this Nation. I should probably tell you that although I disagree with the homosexual lifestyle, I feel that they have just as much a right to live their life the way they want, as I do mine. I am also a Catholic and I would like to believe that my God loves all humans and does not pass judgment on them until they die and ask to enter heaven. Until then, they have the unalienable God given right to live as they want.
you've said that more than once. you seem real proud about that. By your statement you are implying that it is illegitimate to speak of god's law or absolute truths. or you may be thinking that man's law is above god's law.
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#303. To: A K A Stone (#298)
That's you and TLBSHOW.
Are they homos?
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#304. To: 82Marine89 (#303)
That's you and TLBSHOW. Just out of curiousity does TLB ever post over here.
Are they homos?
#305. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#299)
Not kettle corn. Regular, artery clogging, butter coated, salt crusted popcorn.
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#306. To: A K A Stone (#304)
I'm just a visitor. Ask the owners.
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#307. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#287)
I hear ya. When I get popcorn at the movie theater, I tell the kid working behind the counter that I want enough butter and salt on it for my arteries to crack like dried spaghetti by the time I finish the bag.
I hope it ain't that kettle corn shit - that stuff reeks!
"If they ever drained all of the bullshit out of your average bush-bot, you could bury what's left of him in a matchbox."
#308. To: 82Marine89 (#306)
I just checked. Not a single post.
#309. To: 82Marine89 (#302)
but you showed us in the thread above that you are very ignorant of 'the law' in the bible. so it does not provide a guideline for you. the only law you concern yourself with is man's law.
God's law, the Bible, provides a basic guideline on how to live your life
#310. To: Red Jones (#309)
Being under mans law is part of the curse. We rejected Gods law so now we have to suffer under mans unjust law.
only law you concern yourself with is man's law.
#311. To: Red Jones (#309)
Do we live in a Democratic Republic or a Theocracy? What I find amusing is how Christians are so quick to judge and condemn a person for their views and then says the Bible gives them that right. It actually says, Matthew 7:1-3 I see some people on this thread judging homosexuals with a blind hatred. Is that how you want God to judge you?
but you showed us in the thread above that you are very ignorant of 'the law' in the bible. so it does not provide a guideline for you. the only law you concern yourself with is man's law.
1 Do not judge, or you too will be judged.
2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
3 Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#312. To: 82Marine89 (#311)
If you judge someone for being a homo. You better not be a homo. That is what it is sayint. Or if you judge someone for wearing orange bow ties. You better not judge them for wearing orange bow ties. In fact God commands us to Judge Righteous Judgement.
#313. To: 82Marine89 (#311)
we live in god's creation. the bible warns us against judging others, like you said. and it also warns us strongly against homosexuality and every form of sexual expression that is not part of a 'marriage' type relationship between a man & a woman. all you accoplish is you use words and logic to be a naysayer.
Do we live in a Democratic Republic or a Theocracy?
#314. To: 82Marine89 (#311)
The Plain Language Gay Ideological Bible is the only version I trust. That, and God for Dummies.
#315. To: Red Jones (#313)
Read back toward the beginning of the thread. I said I disagreed with the act, but don't dislike the person because of it.
and it also warns us strongly against homosexuality and every form of sexual expression that is not part of a 'marriage' type relationship between a man & a woman.
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#316. To: 82Marine89 (#311)
If you lived in the revolutionar war period. Would you have obeyed mans law (the king of england) Or would have you said there is a higher power, and supported the declaration of independance. They based that on Gods law you know.
#317. To: 82Marine89 (#315)
I'm not going to split hairs with you - I read the entire thread. I'm under the impression that you're defending homosexuality, and the reason you're doing it is because you're in defiance of god. That is the reason why. and this ain't no ivy-league debate society either bucko - I am not going to argue with you over it. You might've used such language you say, but you've been attacking AKA Stone all along, just because he posted an article with a view.
#318. To: 82Marine89 (#311)
God, also I seem to recall, said Thou Shalt Not Kill. How is that spitual directive received in Marine basic training? You are a former Marine, yes? Is that commandment highlighted on Parris Island??
Is that how you want God to judge you?
Why should we hear about body bags and deaths. Oh, I mean, it's not relevant. So why should I waste my beautiful mind on something like that? -- Big Mama Bush
#319. To: 82Marine89 (#315)
So, if I understand you correctly, you're saying that, just because you're a macho Marine kind of guy, that doesn't mean you couldn't be accepting of a fella who felt some kind of longing for manly prostate fulfillment from a dominant military stud? That's really nice of you, man.
I said I disagreed with the act, but don't dislike the person because of it.
#320. To: Red Jones (#317)
You're entitled to your view.
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#321. To: wbales (#318)
Did you pull me off bozo just to ask that?
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#322. To: 82Marine89 (#321)
He told me he put me on bozo too. Imagine that, we both get to him. lol How many people are bozoing you. I have 2 bozoing me.
Did you pull me off bozo just to ask that?
#323. To: Rabble Rouser (#319)
No I'm not going to have sex with another man, I'm just going to judge him for having sex with another man. That's his business.
So, if I understand you correctly, you're saying that, just because you're a macho Marine kind of guy, that doesn't mean you couldn't be accepting of a fella who felt some kind of longing for manly prostate fulfillment from a dominant military stud?
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#324. To: A K A Stone (#322)
Just him.
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#325. To: 82Marine89 (#323)
If you believe it is wrong. You even said it is a sin I believe. Why would you not warn your fellow man that his actions could lead him to Hell?
No I'm not going to have sex with another man, I'm just going to judge him for having sex with another man. That's his business
#326. To: 82Marine89 (#321)
You don't have any proof whatsoever of any conspiracy to tell people who have you bozoed what you are saying! Ha!
#327. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#285)
As this seems to be such a popular thread, I'll throw in my thoughts: Homosexuality is not and shall never be normal. While there may be a genetic predisposition, homosexuality is a learned behavior and is thus a potentially contagious mental illness. Homosexuality was removed from DSM-II only because of extreme threats of personal physical violence directed at members of the APA at their 1972 Chicago convention. Homosexuals are much more likely to suffer depression, lack self-esteem, are more often paranoid and suicidal. Further, homosexuality just does not fit into the equation for societal propagation. If 100 homosexuals were placed on a deserted island in 100 years there would be a deserted island. The normalization of this deviancy is but one aspect of the on-going attack upon the American social fabric by the liberals, Zionists, communists and socialist infecting our government and communities.
Why should we hear about body bags and deaths. Oh, I mean, it's not relevant. So why should I waste my beautiful mind on something like that? -- Big Mama Bush
#328. To: Rabble Rouser (#326)
You're such a rabble rouser.
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#329. To: 82Marine89 (#323)
it's a very serious matter when you say you're going to 'judge' someone like this Marine. When the bible refers to jesus or god judging people it is talking about judgement that occurs at the end of this era that we're living in. We are all to be judged at the end of this era. Those judged positively are allowed into the kingdom of heaven that will be here on earth. Those not judged so will be excluded. This is what judgement is all about. It is a very serious matter, the bible says we humans don't have a good understanding of this process, it says that god will control this process and many humans will be very surpirsed about how it goes. But we can draw conclusions about other people based on their behavior. We do not have the power to do the 'judgement' that the bible talks about, only god has that power. If Marine were to witness a rich man stealing from a homeless man, then would Marine conclude that the thief had done wrong? What is the theft was sanctioned by laws made by man? Marine would be lost in that case, the US marines training manuals have no such instructions.
I'm just going to judge him for having sex
#330. To: A K A Stone (#325)
Because I will not force my religious views upon another man. I could pray for him, but that's another story.
Why would you not warn your fellow man that his actions could lead him to Hell?
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#331. To: All (#323)
That should read, "not going to judge him..."
I'm just going to judge him for having sex with another man. That's his business.
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#332. To: wbales (#327)
I did not know that little fact. You have much common sense in your post. We who say that homosexuality is wrong don't have hostility for individuals who are homosexual. We don't 'judge' them in biblical sense either.
only because of extreme threats of personal physical violence directed at members of the APA at their 1972 Chicago convention.
#333. To: 82Marine89 (#330)
I didn't say to force anything. You could point it out, if they tell you to fuck off....then oh well. What about this. If a man were raping your daughter. Would you judge him? Or would you not try to force your religious views on him?
Because I will not force my religious views upon another man.
#334. To: wbales (#327)
Same goes for 100 heterosexual males.
If 100 homosexuals were placed on a deserted island in 100 years there would be a deserted island.
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#335. To: A K A Stone (#333)
I'd kill him.
What about this. If a man were raping your daughter. Would you judge him?
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#336. To: 82Marine89 (#335)
Good answer.
I'd kill him.
#337. To: Red Jones (#329)
There was a typo. I corrected it.
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#338. To: Red Jones (#332)
And, there is nothing Biblical about what I said.
You have much common sense in your post.
Why should we hear about body bags and deaths. Oh, I mean, it's not relevant. So why should I waste my beautiful mind on something like that? -- Big Mama Bush
#339. To: 82Marine89 (#330)
pardon me for saying this Marine - but you've made it clear on this thread that you don't really have religious views, unless the reigning government-approved and popular feel-good know-nothing sentiments of the hour count as religion. My point is that you didn't even know that the bible does criticize very strongly homosexuality. You challenged AKA Stone on that point and he put up verses showing that it is strongly condemned. You say you're catholic, but you are very ignorant of the bible.
I will not force my religious views
#340. To: 82Marine89 (#337)
I saw the typo - I took advantage anyway.
#341. To: wbales (#338)
Sometimes unbelievers stumble across the truth.
And, there is nothing Biblical about what I said.
#342. To: Red Jones (#339)
pardon me for saying this Marine - but you've made it clear on this thread that you don't really have religious views, unless the reigning government- approved and popular feel-good know-nothing sentiments of the hour count as religion. Actually, I do have religious views, but I separate them from politics. My point is that you didn't even know that the bible does criticize very strongly homosexuality. You challenged AKA Stone on that point and he put up verses showing that it is strongly condemned. You say you're catholic, but you are very ignorant of the bible. I do know that in Deuteronomy, when Jesus used the word abominable, he was referring to the act and not the person.
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#343. To: 82Marine89 (#342)
I think what you are referring to is in Leviticus. Also God said he shall surely be put to death. Referring to fags. Maybe God was doing that for our own good with AIDS and all.
I do know that in Deuteronomy, when Jesus used the word abominable, he was referring to the act and not the person.
#344. To: 82Marine89 (#342)
you're right. Personally I think we're all guilty - guilty of sin - and we oughto all plead guilty. gay gene or no gay gene - we're guilty. Judgement is coming.
I do know that in Deuteronomy, when Jesus used the word abominable, he was referring to the act and not the person.
#345. To: Red Jones (#344)
That is true. It isn't only the fags that will be going to hell. In fact many former fags will be in heaven and many former preachers will be in hell.
I think we're all guilty - guilty of sin
#346. To: Red Jones (#344)
It is and God knows what is in our hearts. Am I perfect? No. Do I try to be? Not always. Will I go to Heaven? Not sure. But, I am a good role model for my children and do take them to church and have them enrolled in Pioneer Girls at our Church. I am a religious person most of the time, but I also agree with James Madison when he said, “Religion and government will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
Personally I think we're all guilty - guilty of sin - and we oughto all plead guilty. gay gene or no gay gene - we're guilty. Judgement is coming.
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#347. To: wbales (#327)
there has to be a biological component to this. how else do you explain those born with ambiguous genitalia and/or possessing physical characteristics of both male and female? i've known and seen youngsters who i could tell were going to be homosexual and i can identify both gays and lesbians by these same characteristics. i believe it's their chemical and hormonal makeup and not a conscious choice in these cases. having said that, i also know that for some it is an immoral choice just as deviant heterosexual acts are.
#348. To: A K A Stone (#342)
aren't all catholics? ;)
You say you're catholic, but you are very ignorant of the bible.
#349. To: christine (#348)
That hurts. [:{)
aren't all catholics? ;)
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#350. To: christine (#347)
I think that the female hormones in our meat and milk will likely have a very negative effect on the male population in certain ways. Also, a researcher experimented with some fish and put them in an environment that had the same quantity of prozac in it as the Mississippi River has, and the fish developed both female and male characteristics. If it is not a priority for us to have healthy people, then we will not have healthy people. If money in some people's pockets is the only goal that can animate those who rule us, then we will have money in some people's pockets, but we will not have a healthy population.
how else do you explain those born with ambiguous genitalia and/or possessing physical characteristics of both male and female?
#351. To: wbales, all (#327)
"Homosexuality is not and shall never be normal. While there may be a genetic predisposition, homosexuality is a learned behavior and is thus a potentially contagious mental illness. Homosexuality was removed from DSM-II only because of extreme threats of personal physical violence directed at members of the APA at their 1972 Chicago convention. Homosexuals are much more likely to suffer depression, lack self-esteem, are more often paranoid and suicidal. Further, homosexuality just does not fit into the equation for societal propagation. If 100 homosexuals were placed on a deserted island in 100 years there would be a deserted island. The normalization of this deviancy is but one aspect of the on-going attack upon the American social fabric by the liberals, Zionists, communists and socialist infecting our government and communities." Marriage is the mother of all human institutions, for it leads directly to home founding and home maintenance, which is the structural basis of society. The family is vitally linked to the mechanism of self-maintenance; it is the sole hope of race perpetuation under the mores of civilization, while at the same time it most effectively provides certain highly satisfactory forms of self-gratification. The family is man's greatest purely human achievement, combining as it does the evolution of the biologic relations of male and female with the social relations of husband and wife. Family life is the progenitor of true morality, the ancestor of the consciousness of loyalty to duty. The enforced associations of family life stabilize personality and stimulate its growth through the compulsion of necessitous adjustment to other and diverse personalities. But even more, a true family--a good family--reveals to the parental procreators the attitude of the Creator to his children, while at the same time such true parents portray to their children the first of a long series of ascending disclosures of the love of the Paradise parent of all universe children. Let man enjoy himself; let the human race find pleasure in a thousand and one ways; let evolutionary mankind explore all forms of legitimate self-gratification, the fruits of the long upward biologic struggle. Man has well earned some of his present-day joys and pleasures. But look you well to the goal of destiny! Pleasures are indeed suicidal if they succeed in destroying property, which has become the institution of self-maintenance; and self-gratifications have indeed cost a fatal price if they bring about the collapse of marriage, the decadence of family life, and the destruction of the home--man's supreme evolutionary acquirement and civilization's only hope of survival.
well worth repeating:
Adolf Hitler... "What luck for rulers that men do not think." John F. Kennedy... "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
#352. To: christine (#348)
Hey! I resemble that remark!!!
#353. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#352)
Did you intend to link #347?
Dubya to the serfs: "It's Raining!"
#354. To: BTP Holdings (#135)
I think the basic values of the bible are a good thing. That stoning people to death part, and selling your enemy into slavery stuff is way beyond the pale. God taunting Abraham into killing his kid is just sadistic. If they got it right, God is a monster. If they got it wrong, why should we believe a word in that book? If you look at the history of both books, they were translated into Greek, then retranslated into Latin, then censored like crazy by the Pope, then finally printed 1400 years after Christ died. I have no clue if Christ was real or not. But I sure am not taking the word of a bowdlerized book, and anyone who takes every word as absolute truth has major problems. Fundamentalists of any stripe are a problem to the real world.
#355. To: Mekons4 (#354)
Well, that's bullshit. Shows how intolerant, closed minded and bigoted you are. I suppose you might have just posted it to be bombastic.. but I'm not interested in giving you the benefit of the doubt. Further, if true morality exists.. only by luck will you find a secular man practicing it.
Fundamentalists of any stripe are a problem to the real world.
Dubya to the serfs: "It's Raining!"
#356. To: 82Marine89 (#346)
You don't mean to say that a law for example, against murder, should be repealed because it came from a religious source? Generally, religious folks make good lawmakers, notwithstanding the obvious gross errors like no booze sold on Sunday, for example.
"I am a religious person most of the time, but I also agree with James Madison when he said, “Religion and government will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
Adolf Hitler... "What luck for rulers that men do not think." John F. Kennedy... "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
#357. To: Mekons4 (#354)
PS: Says who? You? Why and on what authority?
That stoning people to death part, and selling your enemy into slavery stuff is way beyond the pale.
Dubya to the serfs: "It's Raining!"
#358. To: wbales (#327)
If 50 were men and 50 were women, there might be a few. Few peoples can be so precisely delineated. By the way, did you hear about the homosexual necrophilic??? He kept running into dead ends. GAK
If 100 homosexuals were placed on a deserted island in 100 years there would be a deserted island.
#359. To: 82Marine89 (#335)
HA - Better get some legal advice before killing him. See, you would be the AGGESSOR! And YOU would be on the defensive. (Yes I know, it stinks, you are supposed to call 911, and listen to the bored hag ask you if you have a dog in the house). SO.............. Rouse the perp, have him come to you, in whatever fashion you can imangine, do what is necessary, and tell the detective... "I WAS ONLY TRYING TO STOP HIM". That is the legal ticket. Now HE is the aggressor.
What about this. If a man were raping your daughter. Would you judge him?
#360. To: Jhoffa_ (#357)
Says me, on my authority. Unlike most people, I have a conscience and know what is right and what is wrong. Unlike the bible.
#361. To: A K A Stone (#345)
A K A Stone posted on 2005-11-26 23:33:56 ET Reply Trace Private Reply If G-d is just that HAS to be the case.
That is true. It isn't only the fags that will be going to hell. In fact many former fags will be in heaven and many former preachers will be in hell.
#362. To: All (#360)
You seriously want to defend a book written by a syphlitic pope in 700 AD? The one who rewrote everything in it and cut out thousands of chapters? gimme a break.
#363. To: christine (#347)
I agree. I meet ALOT of people in my (work?) and their are some men who are just women in all forms, but their body, and that is likewise formed in a feminime manner. Based on my observations, I have to reject the idea that all are men or women. A few, for whatever genetic reason, venture closer to the line of separation than most of us, and it's not their fault. My best friend is a huge man, 6'-4" duck hunter, car hot rodder, works in the oil fields of N Dakota, will we wire your house in two hours, and is as honestly a manly man as you find. Loves women, and they love him, not a touch of HS to him. BUT in some ways, good ways of female, he is feminime. He has a couple of dogs you would be delighted to meet. He write poetry, and is concerned about things that many Neanderthals don't consider, appreciates paintings, women in indecent outfits,etc. That said, I have know some men who were women in a mens body. It's absurb to deny it. As well as some women in a body that approaches a mans. To add to the confusion, the mind dosn't necessarily follow the body. There can be alot of hurt here. Glad I'm not at the 50 yard line on this.
e has to be a biological component to this. how else do you explain those born with ambiguous genitalia and/or possessing physical characteristics of both male and female? i've known and seen youngsters who i could tell were
#364. To: Red Jones (#350)
I love you.
with some fish and put them in an environment that had the same quantity of prozac in it as the Mississippi River has, and the fish developed both female and male characteristics.
#365. To: All (#364)
The prozac wore Off - I like you.
#366. To: Mekons4 (#360)
Oh! So, it's an emotional thing.. Your "feelings" Well, those are subjective. Remember, Hitler had a concience, Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin, etc, etc.. They were all convinced they were right, what makes you any different? Fact is, If there's not higher authority then there REALLY IS no right or wrong.. Or consequences for that matter, so far as the afterlife is concerned. What we are then left with are the conflicting and imperfect words of men, just like you and I. Who are they to say something is immoral? Who is to say they are correct? Because there's more of them who agree? Hell, a whole bunch of folks agreed with Hitler. Does that mean he was right? Is that the standard? No, it can't be. Maybe it's force? Well, Stalin had that. No, wait.. That doesn't work either, because Might doesn't equate to Right. Maybe it's strong feelings then, eh? Nope, sorry.. They were all convinced in their own minds that they were correct. We went over that already, anyway. Honestly, if morality comes from men, then it's just a word. It can be changed at will. We can edit the definition and WHAMMO! Rape is "moral" So's robbery.. After all, that's how nature works, isn't it? You know, the big fish eat the small fish and so on and so forth. The reason we're different is because our morality comes from out creator. It has to or it's just a word we made up. We're his greatest creation. We've been given more and more is expected of us by way of rules and what-not. And THAT'S why a strictly secular society is a dangerous one. We don't have that, and I don't want it... I'd truly be surprised if you did after a little reflection.
Says me, on my authority. Unlike most people, I have a conscience and know what is right and what is wrong. Unlike the bible.
Dubya to the serfs: "It's Raining!"
#367. To: tom007 (#363)
No they just dress that way and act that way. They are not born that way.
That said, I have know some men who were women in a mens body.
#368. To: Jhoffa_ (#366)
I heard that mallard ducks rape the female ducks. So it has to be ok right?
Rape is "moral"
#369. To: tom007 (#363)
good post, tom.
#370. To: All (#369)
A little off subject, but seeing as how it is my birthday, does someone want to come do the laundry for me? I will pay you fiddy cents......
#371. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#370)
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#372. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#370)
Dubya to the serfs: "It's Raining!"
#373. To: A K A Stone (#367)
oh, YOU know it all, huh? good lord. can you choose not to be attracted to women, stone?
#374. To: Jhoffa_, 82Marine89 (#372)
A cake AND a Jolly Roger!!!! Can't be a better b-day than that! unless..... N ow the thread has been properly Pirated!
#375. To: christine (#373)
If he looks at my Liam pics, I bet he can be persuaded!! =0)
#376. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#375)
The guy from Highlander is better.
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#377. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#370)
Another Scorpio? Happy Bday, CAPPS!
#378. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#370)
#379. To: Jethro Tull (#377)
I think I am a saggitarius You know me, athletic, artistic, etc..... *giggle* yea, right! Thanks! And since it IS my birthday - another Liam pic! 
#380. To: tom007 (#358)
He kept running into dead ends. Sicko. ;>)
By the way, did you hear about the homosexual necrophilic???
Why should we hear about body bags and deaths. Oh, I mean, it's not relevant. So why should I waste my beautiful mind on something like that? -- Big Mama Bush
#381. To: 82Marine89 (#376)
Hell YES!!!!!!! Which one??? The guy from Highlander is better.
#382. To: wbales (#380)
OMG! ROFLMAO!!!
#383. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#379)
Death has a tendency to encourage a depressing view of war. – Donald Rumsfeld
#384. To: robin (#383)
... I am only 5 feet tall....
LOL!
#385. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#384)
I'm not much more myself! But my 4 sons are about 6' tall, give or take an inch, and I have (male) cousins 6'4" & 6'6". At a church gathering, I once stood next to Sven Nader, Dutch born, basketball player - ridiculously huge man. About all I could see of him were his hands, they were huge.
Death has a tendency to encourage a depressing view of war. – Donald Rumsfeld
#386. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#379)
he's young in that pic. his musculature/physique is much denser now. you did see him in Rob Roy? oh my...
#387. To: christine (#386)
OH MY indeed!!! I am forbidden from watchng that film under pain of death so sayeth Lord Yadda... =0P
#388. To: christine (#373)
No I like women. Some people get caught up in it and it feels good so they choose to continue in it. It's unnatural.
oh, YOU know it all, huh? good lord. can you choose not to be attracted to women, stone?
#389. To: A K A Stone (#388)
correct, and some people are born that way.
Hershberger believes it is possible that "pre-natal exposure to an opposite-sex
hormonal environment may lead the nervous system to develop in a manner
consistent with the opposite sex."
Their conclusions in the case of the triplets studied, though, remain highly
tentative, given that little is understood as to how monozygotic triplets would
have been exposed to differing hormonal levels - and as to whether, in fact,
this occurred in this particular case. Accordingly, Hersherger leads off his
discussion with the disclaimer that, "It is impossible to determine the precise
blend of causal factors eventuating in discordant sexual preferences among this
MZ male triplet set."
Prior Research
One of the most useful aspects of this study is the authors' comprehensive
summary of the research on biological factors that may influence sexual
orientation. Most of this research has been conducted during the past twenty
years.
The results of this body of research, Hershberger and Segal conclude, suggest
that genes, brain anatomy, and prenatal sex hormones influence (but do not
necessarily determine) sexual orientation in men.
Hershberger and Segal explain the neuro-hormonal theory of sexual orientation.
This theory focuses on how the brain was formed in the womb-- particularly,
during the formation of an area of the brain called the hypothalamus.
Masculinization of the brain occurs through relatively high levels of
androgens, whereas feminization occurs in the relative absence of androgens.
Some studies suggest that homosexually oriented men are more likely to show
evidence of brain development that is low-masculinized (in effect, relatively
female-like).
Previously published evidence for this prenatal hormonal theory of sexual
orientation is cited by the authors:
*In animal studies in which there was a manipulation of the prenatal hormonal
environment, male rats whose brains were feminized in this matter exhibit "lack
of aggressiveness, and avoid rough-and-tumble play." Conversely, female rats
whose brains have been masculinized "exhibit mounting behavior, increased
levels of aggression, and avoidance of maternal rearing behavior."
*In women, there is a congenital disorder known as adrenal hyperplasia (CAH),
an
inherited physical disorder which causes an excess production of androgens.
Females with CAH exhibit unusually high levels of masculine-type behavior,
including masculine toy preferences, lesbianism, and masculine gender identity.
*In genetic studies, genes are thought to trigger differences in sexual
orientation by inducing differences in prenatal androgen levels, or sensitivity
to androgen. To date, Hershberger and Segal say, a dozen large studies converge
on the conclusion that sexual orientation "is significantly influenced by
genetic factors in men, but less so in women."
*The authors cite evidence of cognitive differences between homosexual and
heterosexual men: If a hormonal explanation of sexual orientation is correct,
they theorize, then the cognitive attributes of homosexual men should be
somewhat feminized.
One notable difference in cognitive ability between homosexual and heterosexual
men is found on measures of spatial ability. Differences were also found in
measures of spatial perception, and in verbal vs. mathematical abilities (men
are generally better in mathematical reasoning but inferior to women in verbal
fluency and rapid visual scanning and matching). Indeed, on one such test,
homosexual men "had higher verbal IQ's than did heterosexual males and
females"; another test found higher vocabulary scores for homosexual than
heterosexual men; and another test found "greater verbal fluency" for
homosexual versus heterosexual men. Other tests, they say, showed similar
results.
*Other biologically based differences found between homosexual and heterosexual
men include body measurements (homosexual men tend to be lighter, to be
somewhat more likely to be left-handed, and to have more dermal ridges on the
left hand), and differences in voice and speech characteristics.
Some people get caught up in it and it feels good so they choose to continue in it
December 29, 2004 - Dr. Scott Hersherger and associate researcher Dr.
Nancy L.
Segal have published a study in Archives of Sexual Behavior (Vol. 33, No. 5,
October 2004; pp. 497-514), wherein they suggest a possible prenatal, neuro-
hormonal influence upon sexual orientation in some men.
#390. To: christine (#389)
Im not buying it.
#391. To: christine (#389)
I'm not buying it either Christine. But the paper you posted suggested that a hormonal deficiency prior to birth while in womb may contribute to homosexuality. I am all in favor of doctors addressing this hormonal deficiency in order to help people develop in a normal and beneficial manner. The female hormones that are in our food likely encourage homosexuality. There are a lot of sexual perversions. Are there genetic factors that cause these perversions? Or is it a learned behavior?
#392. To: A K A Stone (#232)
Then why do you condemn them? That isn't loving them. Besides, how can you claim that the Catholic Church "perverted" Scripture when you use what they left to you? Doesn't your statement also say that you use "perverted" Scripture? How can you go after and lie about homosexuals and not expect a counter-attack? You don't have a monopoly on bad behavior and people are getting sick of being ordered around by a bunch of fundies. Its your religion, its your rules. You live with it and YOU go to hell. See, bashing without providing anything to back it up (remember, I deal only in facts) makes you and your group look like a pack of idiots. Is it any wonder that people take you to task over such things?
No I don't hate them. I love everyone.
#393. To: mirage (#392)
I don't know why you're getting upset. As far as I can tell nobody bashed gay people. The article just said that homosexuality is a sin. That is not bashing homosexuals IMO anyway. maybe go over to this thread here with url below. Join the Marines - get naked and frolic with other men - have fun. http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=15574 But I highlighted this quote above to make a serious point. You have free will, our creator gave us free will - says so in the bible. you can choose the life god serves up to you - or you can reject it - your choice. This is a choice for all of us to make. I mean if you don't want to believe in the things the bible says, then why do you get upset that others do? Can't you just disagree? You feel very strongly that a choice of a man to be a homosexual is a legitimate choice, but if a person takes seriously the bible, then you say that is an illegitimate choice to believe in the bible - otherwise you wouldn't be upset at the simple asssertion that homosexuality is a sin. or maybe you think it is OK for people to take the bible seriously, but illegitimate if they speak about it?
Its your religion, its your rules. You live with it and YOU go to hell.
#394. To: mirage (#392)
Besides, how can you claim that the Catholic Church "perverted" Scripture when you use what they left to you? Doesn't your statement also say that you use "perverted" Scripture? Ok when you have a kid and he or she steals something or does something else that is wrong. What is your answer not to condem them. That would be stupid, just like your condemn them point. The catholic church tried to remove a lot of stuff didn't they. They tried to not include the book of revelation. They didn't succeed. God is more powerful then lowly men who want to corrupt his word.
Then why do you condemn them? That isn't loving them.
#395. To: mirage (#392)
What did I lie about. I thought you backed up everything with facts. You just have opinions to offer, defeated opinions at that. People who attack the Bible usually have a sin they don't want to give up.
How can you go after and lie about homosexuals and not expect a counter-attack?
#396. To: mirage (#392)
You don't deal in facts. It's ok you think I look like an idiot. I think as much of you.
See, bashing without providing anything to back it up (remember, I deal only in facts) makes you and your group look like a pack of idiots. Is it any wonder that people take you to task over such things?
#397. To: Red Jones (#391)
Any time there's a biblical or religious association to a topic, it seems to me that a person's opinion on it all comes down to whether or not they accept the bible as the infallible word of God.
#398. To: A K A Stone (#395)
that is so obnoxious and repellent.
People who attack the Bible usually have a sin they don't want to give up.
#399. To: christine (#398)
Perhaps, but not more than some of the secular types shreiking on this thread. There's revulsion enough for everyone, IMO.
that is so obnoxious and repellent.
Dubya to the serfs: "It's Raining!"
#400. To: christine (#389)
I buy it. Completely. Not to say that there are not serious recuitments for any wobblers out there - but most are wired that way, imo. WhoTF would consciously choose that way of life?
#401. To: lodwick (#400)
Slow down son, your talking too much sense........
WhoTF would consciously choose that way of life?
"Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth." - Albert Einstein
#402. To: timetobuildaboat (#155)
I'm sorry, but I'm a purist. The boobs have got to be all natural. No plastic.
| So many morons, so few bullets. |
#403. To: timetobuildaboat (#401)
Personal family experience makes me believe as I do, sad to say; but this guy is a better person than many "straight" folks out there...I do not know how he will be judged for eternity, but, I'd say that his chances are just as good as mine from his day to day treatment of others. I try not to judge others - I'm really not just up to the task. Mega cheers up OK way.
you're talking too much sense........
#404. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#402)
Once they're there, they're real.
I'm sorry, but I'm a purist. The boobs have got to be all natural. No plastic.
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#405. To: christine (#397)
it's problematic to use that word 'infallible' when describing every word in the bible. because it is a very big book (66 books included in it) with many words written over a period of (I think 1200 years or so). I think these people were divinely inspired to write, but is their product perfect - I don't know. Then you have the translation problem, how it has likely been translated imperfectly. then you have the interpretation problem, in that the actual words can frequently be interpreted differently by different people. But I wish I could quote you 5 places where the bible speaks badly of homosexuality, I can't. But I am convinced they exist because I have read it (the bible). It is not just condemned once, it is condemned multiple times. But as I tried to explain to you before the bible condemns many things, many many things. Many sexual behaviors that we consider normal are condemned strongly. Homosexuality is only one pattern that is condemned, every type of sex except that between man & women in marriage type relationship is condemned. I mean the bible talks about how young men are destroyed when they're seduced by women who only want them for sex. The bible singles out all sorts of sexual patterns as being improper, not just homosexuality. and the bible says openly that people are very much sinners, that we can expect evil to come out of the people. I don't see why that view is controversial. The real controversy (I think) is whether we should see things god's way or whether we should write the rules ourselves. and there also may be a question in some people's minds - that just because the bible condemns what is common human behavior, does not mean that there is not room for forgiveness.
infallible word of God.
#406. To: lodwick (#400)
you make a good argument & points lodwick, but my answer on this question is that a broken person may choose this way, especially when under the influence of imaginings brought to them by evil.
WhoTF would consciously choose that way of life?
#407. To: Red Jones (#406)
But most people today are broken in one sense or another - even some of the "saved".
#408. To: A K A Stone (#395)
Every one has sin that they do not want to give up - otherwise, we would be all exactly like Christ.
People who attack the Bible usually have a sin they don't want to give up.
#409. To: Red Jones (#405)
well said. you make some good points. however, i have to disagree with you that there is no biological component to this. how would you explain children born with ambiguous or both male and female genitalia? are you of the belief that only birth defects or abnormalities occur on the outside and not on the inside (chemistry, hormones)?
#410. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#407)
Seems he can't keep the big 'S' sin.. separated from the little 's' sin..
But most people today are broken in one sense or another - even some of the "saved".
#411. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#407)
I'm not going to argue with you on that point. it would be silly to say that ALL the homosexuals are broken or defective, and that all the non-homosexuals are not. But IMO the point of the article is not really to bash homosexuality. IMO the article is just a warning to us all about the great evil that is coming down on us and becoming dominant among us. Homosexuality is officially encouraged in the US today by our schools and our media if not our law. That we cannot recognize homosexuality as being a bad thing and that we are under this attack indicates that evil is here and we are in trouble. That to me is the larger point of the article rather than bashing gays.
But most people today are broken in one sense or another - even some of the "saved".
#412. To: christine (#409)
hermaphrodites make up only 1 percent of live births.. and homosexuals claim to be 10% of the population..
well said. you make some good points. however, i have to disagree with you that there is no biological component to this. how would you explain children born with ambiguous or both male and female genitalia? are you of the belief that only birth defects or abnormalities occur on the outside and not on the inside (chemistry, hormones)?
#413. To: Zipporah (#410)
what I want to know is - every one says homosexuality is a sin/disease/mental illness, but NO ONE has a remedy for the problem. What do we do? Put them in concentration camps? Give them shock treatment and insitiutionalize them? Tie them to a chair, read the Bible to them and unless they confess and repent of their sin - burn them at the stake? And if someone agrees with any of this - are not all of us sinful creatures likely to be subject to the same treatment in a few years? I want someone to come up with an answer to this "problem" - we seem to have alot of reasonalbe people here - what is the answer?
#414. To: Red Jones (#411)
This is the key point here - traditional values and lifestyles are under attack. Where's my sheep? Why can't I marry my bullfrog? Our country has gone nuts.
IMO the article is just a warning to us all about the great evil that is coming down on us and becoming dominant among us. Homosexuality is officially encouraged in the US today by our schools and our media if not our law.
#415. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#413)
Hmm.. Im sure there are those who'd believe that would be solutions! Seems I remember that the solution according to scripture that they say they follow is to pray for those who are their enemies and those they see still under the curse of sin .. but I guess thats passe'?
#416. To: christine (#409)
you know what real birth defects are very rare. Birth defects are frequently caused by something in the environment. Like in Iraq the little boy was born with a penis growing out of his forehead - that is a birth defect, it happened because of DU dust. Today we have female hormones in our environment like crazy - because it is in our meat and our milk that we eat. We don't know the effects of this on people, but it could very well be causing a tremendous physiological situation where dysfunction is occurring in the men, and with this dysfunction some will turn to homosexuality, and they will learn that behavior if they have nothing else to learn due to the dysfunctionalism. And as I told you earlier - scientists have found fish and frogs and salamanders born today with both male & female sex characteristics all in one animal. And the one article I read on it pegged the cause as being the pharmaceuticals in the water supply now. A doctor took water and put prozac in the water at the same rate as prozac is already in the Mississippi river, and the fish that lived in the water had babies that had both male & female organs - duplicating what happened in the wild.
how would you explain children born with ambiguous or both male and female genitalia?
#417. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#413)
what do we do with heterosexual couples who engage in sodomy or heterosexuals who commit adultery or any number of anti-biblical sexual acts?
What do we do?
#418. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#413)
The answer is that of "licensing." The state should have no business there. If you should feel a strong attraction to your BantyRooster, who should care? Much less the state.
#419. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#413)
I have no answer to your reasonable question. but I did not propose putting them in concentration camps. Neither did anyone else.
Put them in concentration camps?
#420. To: christine (#417)
I don't propose doing anything with them. I am of the view that human beings are broken and that 'we' are not going to fix ourselves. But we should try to speak the truth and we should be allowed do so. It is vain and proud to expect victory by our own efforts in these matters.
what do we do with
#421. To: Red Jones (#419)
And that is the basic "problem". Everyone has a pet peeve - be it Homosexuality, Evolutionists, Christians, Muslims, etc. Everyone whines, moans, stomps their feet - but no one has an answer or a solution. Everyone except Zipporah, that is.
I have no answer to your reasonable question
#422. To: lodwick (#418)
you mean EQUAL RIGHTS instead of SPECIAL RIGHTS?
#423. To: Red Jones (#416)
i think you're correct about the causes. still, the point is, there are people who are born with these abnormalities. it wasn't and isn't their choice. again, i acknowledge with some it is.
Today we have female hormones in our environment like crazy - because it is in our meat and our milk that we eat. We don't know the effects of this on people, but it could very well be causing a tremendous physiological situation where dysfunction is occurring in the men, and with this dysfunction some will turn to homosexuality, and they will learn that behavior if they have nothing else to learn due to the dysfunctionalism.
#424. To: Red Jones (#420)
i agree.
But we should try to speak the truth and we should be allowed do so.
#425. To: christine (#423)
I don't advocate bashing individuals over being 'gay'. I'm sure they can be fine co-workers or other associates.
it wasn't and isn't their choice.
#426. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#422)
God given rights - not state licensed priviledges. Yes.
you mean EQUAL RIGHTS instead of SPECIAL RIGHTS?
#427. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#408)
Well that applies to me. Pray for me, maybe I'll stop. Not sure if everyone has a sin they won't give up.
Every one has sin that they do not want to give up
#428. To: A K A Stone (#427)
Paul addressed this.. did he not?
Well that applies to me. Pray for me, maybe I'll stop. Not sure if everyone has a sin they won't give up.
#429. To: Red Jones (#405)
We can't count on any source touched by man to be divine. And, the argument, my divine book is better than your divine book, is not persuasive. Ultimately, we each must decide what God's will is. "To thine own self be true," has a nice ring to it. "Judge not, lest ye be judged," seems to imply that we each draw the line based on what we independently think God's will is. 4. THE TALK WITH NATHANIEL And then went Jesus over to Abila, where Nathaniel and his associates labored. Nathaniel was much bothered by some of Jesus' pronouncements which seemed to detract from the authority of the recognized Hebrew scriptures. Accordingly, on this night, after the usual period of questions and answers, Nathaniel took Jesus away from the others and asked: "Master, could you trust me to know the truth about the Scriptures? I observe that you teach us only a portion of the sacred writings--the best as I view it--and I infer that you reject the teachings of the rabbis to the effect that the words of the law are the very words of God, having been with God in heaven even before the times of Abraham and Moses. What is the truth about the Scriptures?" When Jesus heard the question of his bewildered apostle, he answered: "Nathaniel, you have rightly judged; I do not regard the Scriptures as do the rabbis. I will talk with you about this matter on condition that you do not relate these things to your brethren, who are not all prepared to receive this teaching. The words of the law of Moses and the teachings of the Scriptures were not in existence before Abraham. Only in recent times have the Scriptures been gathered together as we now have them. While they contain the best of the higher thoughts and longings of the Jewish people, they also contain much that is far from being representative of the character and teachings of the Father in heaven; wherefore must I choose from among the better teachings those truths which are to be gleaned for the gospel of the kingdom. "These writings are the work of men, some of them holy men, others not so holy. The teachings of these books represent the views and extent of enlightenment of the times in which they had their origin. As a revelation of truth, the last are more dependable than the first. The Scriptures are faulty and altogether human in origin, but mistake not, they do constitute the best collection of religious wisdom and spiritual truth to be found in all the world at this time. "Many of these books were not written by the persons whose names they bear, but that in no way detracts from the value of the truths which they contain. If the story of Jonah should not be a fact, even if Jonah had never lived, still would the profound truth of this narrative, the love of God for Nineveh and the so-called heathen, be none the less precious in the eyes of all those who love their Page 1768 fellow men. The Scriptures are sacred because they present the thoughts and acts of men who were searching for God, and who in these writings left on record their highest concepts of righteousness, truth, and holiness. The Scriptures contain much that is true, very much, but in the light of your present teaching, you know that these writings also contain much that is misrepresentative of the Father in heaven, the loving God I have come to reveal to all the worlds. "Nathaniel, never permit yourself for one moment to believe the Scripture records which tell you that the God of love directed your forefathers to go forth in battle to slay all their enemies--men, women, and children. Such records are the words of men, not very holy men, and they are not the word of God. The Scriptures always have, and always will, reflect the intellectual, moral, and spiritual status of those who create them. Have you not noted that the concepts of Yahweh grow in beauty and glory as the prophets make their records from Samuel to Isaiah? And you should remember that the Scriptures are intended for religious instruction and spiritual guidance. They are not the works of either historians or philosophers. "The thing most deplorable is not merely this erroneous idea of the absolute perfection of the Scripture record and the infallibility of its teachings, but rather the confusing misinterpretation of these sacred writings by the tradition-enslaved scribes and Pharisees at Jerusalem. And now will they employ both the doctrine of the inspiration of the Scriptures and their misinterpretations thereof in their determined effort to withstand these newer teachings of the gospel of the kingdom. Nathaniel, never forget, the Father does not limit the revelation of truth to any one generation or to any one people. Many earnest seekers after the truth have been, and will continue to be, confused and disheartened by these doctrines of the perfection of the Scriptures. "The authority of truth is the very spirit that indwells its living manifestations, and not the dead words of the less illuminated and supposedly inspired men of another generation. And even if these holy men of old lived inspired and spirit-filled lives, that does not mean that their words were similarly spiritually inspired. Today we make no record of the teachings of this gospel of the kingdom lest, when I have gone, you speedily become divided up into sundry groups of truth contenders as a result of the diversity of your interpretation of my teachings. For this generation it is best that we live these truths while we shun the making of records. "Mark you well my words, Nathaniel, nothing which human nature has touched can be regarded as infallible. Through the mind of man divine truth may indeed shine forth, but always of relative purity and partial divinity. The creature may crave infallibility, but only the Creators possess it. "But the greatest error of the teaching about the Scriptures is the doctrine of their being sealed books of mystery and wisdom which only the wise minds of the nation dare to interpret. The revelations of divine truth are not sealed except by human ignorance, bigotry, and narrow-minded intolerance. The light of the Scriptures is only dimmed by prejudice and darkened by superstition. A false fear of sacredness has prevented religion from being safeguarded by common sense. The fear of the authority of the sacred writings of the past effectively prevents the honest souls of today from accepting the new light of the gospel, the light which these very God-knowing men of another generation so intensely longed to see. Page 1769 "But the saddest feature of all is the fact that some of the teachers of the sanctity of this traditionalism know this very truth. They more or less fully understand these limitations of Scripture, but they are moral cowards, intellectually dishonest. They know the truth regarding the sacred writings, but they prefer to withhold such disturbing facts from the people. And thus do they pervert and distort the Scriptures, making them the guide to slavish details of the daily life and an authority in things nonspiritual instead of appealing to the sacred writings as the repository of the moral wisdom, religious inspiration, and the spiritual teaching of the God-knowing men of other generations." Nathaniel was enlightened, and shocked, by the Master's pronouncement. He long pondered this talk in the depths of his soul, but he told no man concerning this conference until after Jesus' ascension; and even then he feared to impart the full story of the Master's instruction. from the Urantia book
"The real controversy (I think) is whether we should see things god's way or whether we should write the rules ourselves."
Adolf Hitler... "What luck for rulers that men do not think." John F. Kennedy... "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
#430. To: 82Marine89 (#404)
I'm sorry, but I want women to come as God made them, not enhanced with rubbery parts. I'm a purist.
| So many morons, so few bullets. |
#431. To: BTP Holdings (#135)
I think we are mainly in agreement. I choose Kant, who basically says the same thing as the Bible. Fundamentalism is our main problem, not religion. I respect your beliefs.
#432. To: christine (#423)
The problem with that point of view. Is that the logical conclusion is that God is unjust because he says it is a sin. So I don't think they are born that way. If they were God wouldn't call it a sin, that makes God a bad God for judging people for the way they were born.
i think you're correct about the causes. still, the point is, there are people who are born with these abnormalities. it wasn't and isn't their choice. again, i acknowledge with some it is.
#433. To: christine (#397)
That is a good observation. God did say in his word that you would be changed.
Any time there's a biblical or religious association to a topic, it seems to me that a person's opinion on it all comes down to whether or not they accept the bible as the infallible word of God.
#434. To: A K A Stone (#433)
Alien, Feline rug Munchers are a sin
Dubya to the serfs: "It's Raining!"
#435. To: Jhoffa_ (#434)
lol
#436. To: Red Jones (#393)
Not at all, if they realize that it is for them and it is not their right to impose their beliefs on everyone else. It is illegitimate for people to speak about it *when* they don't know their own religion well enough to be able to speak honestly and truthfully about it. Most people who take things very seriously don't know the history of their own religion, where they got it from, or anything else. Thus, they are so ill-informed that they actually have no right to claim authority, yet they do. This I know from experience. Most apologetic arguments that people are using are so flimsy that even Barnum would have shied away from them. They may convince people with weak analytical skills, but mostly, they are smoke, mirrors, and BS. Therein lies the problem. Most people who take things far too seriously are so ill-informed that they simply wind up looking like idiots. Is that a good thing? Does that do any good or does it make them, their sect, and their beliefs look utterly silly? Does going out and complaining about a particular group of people and then being shocked when that group launches a counterattack make them look intelligent or stupid? Most so-called Christians don't have the knowledge they need to speak intelligently about their beliefs. What I've been doing is challenging the knowledge holes. Nothing wrong with that; it exposes that they don't know enough to be able to claim authority.
or maybe you think it is OK for people to take the bible seriously, but illegitimate if they speak about it?
#437. To: mirage (#436)
nobody's imposing anything. you have free will. you can believe what you want. merely stating your beliefs is not imposing your beliefs on others. it is ridiculous to think so.
if they realize that it is for them and it is not their right to impose their beliefs on everyone else.
#438. To: ALL (#0)
What a bunch of Horsedhit... Why does the LUNATIC FRINGE of cHRISTIANITY act like sex between consenting homosexuals is the ONLY SIN IN EXISTENCE ? I'm sure there must be a hundred other sins more vile that they could spend their useless existence railing against...What do the THINKING people on this board think?
God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them."
The former head of the National Security Agency, Retired Lt. General William Odom, said, "The invasion of Iraq, I believe, will turn out to be the greatest strategic disaster in U.S. history."
#439. To: Steppenwolf (#438)
The greatest sin on this planet, is for stupidity to be rewarded, and for that stupidity to go unpunished. There are more sins on this planet than you can imagine. Some of which are harmful to other people, who aren't part of the sin in the first place. Homosexuality is a sin that affects not only the two consenting adults, but their families, and potentially other people should that relationship go south, and one of the people involved becomes infected with an incurable disease. Hence the spread of AIDS. I do not debate that Homosexuality is the only sin, but that it is not a harmless sin. As a thinking person, sin is sin, and one should try to abstain from sin in order to be spiritually pure, and redeemable in the eyes of God. I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that you're either gay, or have a lot of gay friends. Take no offense to what the lunatic fringe says, after all, they're lunatics. If you choose to be what you are, that's your business, nobody is going to fault you for it. I find the things going on in my government, as vile as vile gets, and that's not limited to the goofy sex stuff either.
| So many morons, so few bullets. |
#440. To: Steppenwolf (#438)
I already told you what I think, and now I'm going to repeat myself for at least the 3'rd time. The bible does condemn homosexual acts. The bible condemns many many other sexual patterns, read the section on 'the law' in one of the early OT books - Leviticus maybe. It goes on for pages condemning many sexual activities. Sex with animals, sex with children, sex with your sister, your mother, etc. etc. etc. it's really very impressive what it condemns. It basically only holds up sex between man & woman in marriage type relationship as being legitimate. All else is illegitimate. that's what it says. It spends only a small amount of time condemning homosexual activity because it has so much to condemn, and homosexuality is only one of many that it condemns. - when it comes to sexual sin. but the bible spends more time condemning greedy rich people and how they cheat the poor than it does condemning sexual sin of all types together even. Still, I like the article and I agree with it. I think it improper that some people who vote republican say they do so in order to oppose gay marriage on christian grounds, and then the republicans set their policies favorable to the rich, they want higher taxes on the poor than on the rich. this is improper for christians to support, this favoring of rich people that the republicans do.
What do the THINKING people on this board think?
#441. To: Steppenwolf (#438)
following up on what I said in #440 - if you read all of 'the law' handed down in the early books of OT, then this will of course include the 10 commandments, but it will include much else as well. It stretches over several books. in that section as I said homosexuality is condemned. But so is much else. Many christians vote on the homosexual angle for republicans. But the law in the bible really has a lot to say about banking systems and money creation systems, and usury systems. It boggles my mind how christians can vote republican and cite 'the law' in the bible that condemns homosexuality, but then they ignore completely that the establishment in the US including the republicans have made a money creation system that has absolutely nothing in common with the sensibities laid down in the bible. The system of money creation that the republicans favor is extremely non-christian. This is completely ignored by the 'christians' who vote republican.
#442. To: Red Jones (#437)
I disagree completely but I will qualify why I say this. You are forthright in your beliefs and you make this statement. Others - most others - do not. They do not acknowledge that their way of doing things isn't for everyone and rather insist that people adopt their viewpoint. They can be quite persistant and even violent in attempting to do that. This is the "Agree with me or burn in hell" approach that makes such people look like complete and utter morons and paints a picture of Fundamentalist Christians that they are absolute lunatics. Once a person comes out and says "Agree with me or burn in hell" or, as I've seen here locally, Fundies hanging out in parish parking lots shouting and throwing things at the Catholics, then screaming "I'm so persecuted!" when they are hauled off - is this an attempt at imposition or is it acknowledging reality that people have free will? Is following a person around screaming obscenities at them because they do NOT want to deal with their little cult "stating your beliefs" or is it an attempt to impose them on others? Is out-and-out lying to people acceptable or does it demand a response? Is an attempt to rewrite history in order to promote a particular viewpoint honest or should it be responded to? Is painting "BURN IN HELL" on the garage of a homosexual person "stating your beliefs" or is it harassment and (depending on the group) thinly veiled terrorism? Is putting a homosexual person in the hospital "stating your beliefs" or is it a criminal act? Is shooting a medical professional "stating your beliefs" or is it murder? You'll probably note that I tend to stick to history because it is pretty much undebatable. Things happen at certain times, there are records, etc. There are people on this very system posting who think that the Russian Orthodox Church popped up before the Church in Jersusalem. There are others who think that the Catholics eat babies. There are some so-called Protestants who can't even articulate what it is they are protesting. This isn't hard stuff to deal with. What do you think a proper response is? Mine is to attempt to educate people. What should I do? Fight fire with fire or try to deal with it in a more rational manner?
nobody's imposing anything. you have free will. you can believe what you want. merely stating your beliefs is not imposing your beliefs on others. it is ridiculous to think so.
#443. To: mirage (#442)
in an effort to answer these questions - all I can tell you is that if you're frustrated with some of the christians, then I don't blame you - I'm frustrated wtih them also. the other thing I can tell you is that I wish I had extreme knowledge of the bible and unlimited patience and ability to focus my mind so that I could better teach and show people. I think the majority of organized christian churches are discredited. I think no demographic group supports this war and supports bush more than the preachers who get paid to preach by organized churches. the bible says very bad things about the preachers in the end-times who run churches for money. This discredits that whole group in my mind and in many minds. I still hold the line on the bible and think that it is word of god. this is god's weapon, his words. we should get to know it. I am remiss in not knowing it as well as I should. but I feel sorry for people who (like Christine described) may have biological reasons that drive them towards sexual irregularities like homosexuality. I don't think the world's a better place for campaigning against them and blaming them or scapegoating them.
What do you think a proper response is? Mine is to attempt to educate people. What should I do? Fight fire with fire or try to deal with it in a more rational manner?
#444. To: Red Jones (#443)
Don't be surprised, but I have some cousins who fall into that camp. I've spoken to their analysts and done a LOT of research into it. Also lived in the Bay Area for a decade and one can't help but notice - things - there and that makes one curious so I went and researched it. Christine is right. Current research is leading toward hormone problems and other things beyond the individual's control. Since I've been afflicted with having to deal with Fundies for the last 20 years or so, I've grown an encyclopediac knowledge of the Bible and can actually deal with them on that level. I know the history, I know the various theologies, and other stuff. I spent a lot of time helping friends and relatives deal with things and try to use "the right method for the right situation with the right person" - but its all based on the same knowledge base. Its just getting people to be able to deal with things and be able to fend off morons quickly. Calvinism is a good weapon to use when confronting said people. If we're all God's Children, and certain things (according to the Bible at least) were fore-ordained, and, as was said in Genesis, after the creation, God said "It is good" - and we know that homosexuals have been around forever - then *my* way of explaining it is this: Let them be unless they get in your face. Practice the Golden Rule, because it certainly works faithfully in reverse as well. Get to understand them as you wish them to understand you. There is not a *single* homosexual person I know who *likes* being gay. All of them have terrible problems, but, have eventually had to accept that this is how they were made. If one looks at Paul, one has to note that Paul was a Pharisee, which means he wanted a strict adherence to certain things. Paul was pretty much unable to see past his own food dish in a number of areas and one has to take that into account when reading his letters. God did not write the Bible; men wrote the Bible. When Paul says "I, Paul, say..." then you have a clear indication that Paul is speaking for himself. Now, if we're all God's Children, and God "knew them in the womb" then God made them gay! I can cite dozens of "the plan from the beginning" verses to back that up as well. There are also a lot of forgeries and edits in the NT as well as a lot of clear contradictions, nonquotes, misquotes, and other issues. My way of dealing with it is to say this: The Bible is 100% true in that it teaches religious truth. All other items (including interpretation) are debatable and it is not to be taken literally or as being 100% scientific or historically accurate. I stand on that. You will note that I say "so-called Christian" a lot. That means that there are a lot of people who think they are Christians but aren't. They don't get it. There are very few people who actually understand the history of Christianity, the times it grew up in, how it evolved, etc. I think the majority of Christian Churches and Preachers are only in business to stay in business and perpetuate themselves. I also think that while the Catholic Church rightfully is criticized for many things, they're the best of the lot simply because they *learn* from their goofs and, as my family has done, you can challenge them and back them off when they are in the wrong. No "Bible Church" would ever let you do that. As for end-times, that gets into a discussion of history and what people were thinking at the time. Quick summary: The "end-times" have been here since 29AD or so. I do not believe they are coming. I can give you a list of items if you want to look into it yourself; I'll send that in a private message if you like. That being said, I am basically an agnostic who thinks that Christianity has a lot to offer, but people are completely misusing and misreading it. I had to leave and look at things from the outside to really understand it.
but I feel sorry for people who (like Christine described) may have biological reasons that drive them towards sexual irregularities like homosexuality. I don't think the world's a better place for campaigning against them and blaming them or scapegoating them.
#445. To: mirage (#444)
thanks for nice offer, if you want to send me private message or message on board, then I'll look at it for consideration only, not for argument. I see that you have thought very deeply about these things. and I'm not going to argue with you that a lot of the churches are run by idiots.
The "end-times" have been here since 29AD or so. I do not believe they are coming. I can give you a list of items if you want to look into it yourself;
#446. To: Red Jones (#445)
That is exactly as it is intended. I would also be interested in your opinion on it. Contrary to popular belief, I do look at other viewpoints -but- they'd better fit the actual facts and be honest :-) I read an apologetic work not too long ago where an Evangelical tried to make the claim that his group pre-dated the Catholic Church. These are the kinds of "better fit the actual facts" that I mean. A guy who opens his doors in the 1980s does not predate the first century and without citation, cannot even claim lineage. This guy was simply lying to his audience. I've read a lot of that kind of garbage. Its a lot of smoke, mirrors, and BS that is being spun as "absolute truth" and just makes these folks look stupid. A little honesty about "what, where, and why" would go a long way toward creating credibility. I'll ship some stuff off to you late tonite; it'll be long because it will be a compilation of a lot of things and I'll have to crack open five or six books to get it together. It will be fully sourced and limited to a digression on "end times".
thanks for nice offer, if you want to send me private message or message on board, then I'll look at it for consideration only, not for argument.
#447. To: mirage (#444)
Actually sooner.. what Jesus was referencing was the end of the old covenant not the end of the world.
As for end-times, that gets into a discussion of history and what people were thinking at the time. Quick summary: The "end-times" have been here since 29AD or so. I do not believe they are coming. I can give you a list of items if you want to look into it yourself; I'll send that in a private message if you like.
#448. To: Zipporah (#447)
That is very possible. Or it can be taken as "apocalype = end of evil" as folks in the first century took it. There are a lot of interpretations and reinterpretations and such out there. Personally, I *much prefer* to dig into history and align with what people were thinking at the time as much as is possible. One has to take Revelation into account as well as some oddball Gospel predictions that either didn't come to pass as expected or are just goofy and try to make sense of it. The second coming didn't happen "in glory" during the lifetime of the apostles as foretold. Paul was expecting it and had to re-assure followers that it would - eventually - happen. It didn't happen as was expected, but that hasn't kept people from trying to plot it out or cry "rapture!" which isn't likely to happen either, even if you take things very seriously. Hmmm, maybe I should post my research openly and open it for debate. What do you think?
Actually sooner.. what Jesus was referencing was the end of the old covenant not the end of the world.
#449. To: mirage (#448)
I absolutely agree.. have you ever heard of the book The Last Disciple? It's fiction but it's based on the view of 1st century Christians.. As far as open debate.. I see no reason not to.. but be prepared some people go bonkers re this topic.
Personally, I *much prefer* to dig into history and align with what people were thinking at the time as much as is possible.
#450. To: mirage (#448)
Thats not true. Chapter and verse please.
One has to take Revelation into account as well as some oddball Gospel predictions that either didn't come to pass as expected or are just goofy and try to make sense of it. The second coming didn't happen "in glory" during the lifetime of the apostles as foretold.
#451. To: Zipporah (#449)
have you ever heard of the book The Last Disciple? It's fiction but it's based on the view of 1st century Christians.. No, I have not. The last two books I read on the topic were The Mass of the Early Christians and Bart Ehrman's Jesus: Apocalyptic Prophet of the New Millenium As far as open debate.. I see no reason not to.. but be prepared some people go bonkers re this topic. That's why I intend to put it in a historical and simple textual context. In order to actually debate and not look like idiots, they'll have to know history, which few people actually do. I've educated several people here where I live. None of them and I mean *none* of them got a historical context in their churches or even bothered to look at how things have played out over time. All of them got an eye-opener. All of them were calmed down immensely from initial rabidity once they realized that they were off their rockers in terms of having been taught bad history from the pulpit and never bothered to look any further than that. A quick test I use when dealing with rabid Bible thumpers who either appear at my door or harass me on the streets is this: a) You say you are a Protestant. What are you protesting? If people who claim to be Christians want to get into an argument or convince me that "they have the ultimate truth" (as they usually state it) and can't answer at least four of these five questions, then they don't know the history of their own religion and show very quickly that they have not read their Bibles very carefully. All of the questions in my "quick quiz" go to simple reading and history. None of them are terribly difficult for someone who is knowledgeable of their own religion and/or basic Western Civilization and history. Most calm people can whiz through the quiz. It is not difficult for Christians who have taken some time to learn about their own stuff. The quick quiz I wrote out above is very difficult for the self-righteous and ignorant to get through. This quick quiz handily separates the ignorant from the informed. The ignorant and self-righteous usually explode in anger, which quickly shows what kind of person they really are :-)
b) What is a Pharisee and why were they problematic?
* Bonus: Why do many groups act like the Pharisees?
c) How many "messiahs" besides Jesus claimed extraordinary powers in the first century? Name one. If you cannot name one, then name the man that people in Judea in the 2nd Century proclaimed as the Messiah and describe what he did.
d) What does your group mean by "inerrancy"?
* Bonus: How many OT quotes from the NT actually exist as stated in the NT?
e) Who was Martin Luther, what was his religious background, what were his complaints, what did he hope to accomplish, and how did he edit the Christian Bible?
* Bonus: Which books currently included in the Protestant Bible did Luther want to throw out and why?
#452. To: A K A Stone (#450)
Are you sure you want me to give you a list of some select contradictions and select false prophecies?
Thats not true. Chapter and verse please.
#453. To: mirage (#451)
I'll see if I can answer your list: a) I dont claim to be a protestant.. b) The Pharisees was a sect who basically lived more by the Talmud than by the torah c) Hmm I know that there were several who claimed messiahhood but offhand I can't name one. d) I'm not a member of a group (I dont know how many OT quotes there are in the NT but they are numerous. e) Martin Luther was a monk .. Roman Catholic... for one out of many, Luther complained of creeds and indulgences. There are several books that are in the catholic scripture that aren't in the NT used by christians.. I dont know offhand w/o looking them up.
#454. To: Zipporah (#453)
You've done better than most would do :-) For "b" - a better answer would be that since the Law said things like "Thou shalt not work on the Sabbath" - someone needed to define "work" and what "work" was. The Pharisees performed that task. For 'e' - Luther wanted to ditch James and Revelation as well. He called James an "epistle of straw" because it violated his sense that salvation should be by faith alone. James says that "faith without works is dead." Luther also wanted to ditch Revelation because he felt it had neither Christ nor the Holy Spirit in it. Your answer on the messiahs is fine; there was one guy (I have the name in a notebook not available right now) in about 80AD who went off claiming he was going to part the Red Sea. When he arrived, he met some Romans who took him off to be crucified. Around 120/140AD (notes elsewhere; this is a rough call from memory) a General appeared and was going to drive the Romans off! After a few victories, this man was declared by many to be the Messiah - he eventually lost and was killed in battle. As for quotes/nonquotes/misquotes, that's a heck of a list. I would be happy to post some selected ones when I respond to AKA Stone later on tonite. It fits in with the errancy theme.
I'll see if I can answer your list:
#455. To: mirage (#454)
This
is basically what the talmud is .. books that explain the torah among other
things.. and the complaint that Jesus had against them was that they lived by
the letter of the law.. and worshipped the words of men.. the talmud rather than
the word of God.. the essence of scripture ..
For "b" - a better answer would be that since the Law said things
like "Thou shalt not work on the Sabbath" - someone needed to define "work" and
what "work" was. The Pharisees performed that task.
#456. To: mirage (#452)
Quit stalling. Just because you don't understand them doesn't mean they are contradictions or false prophecies. What about the mark of the beast. Enjoy it, it seems to be your destiny.
Are you sure you want me to give you a list of some select contradictions and select false prophecies?
#457. To: A K A Stone (#456)
You're wasting your time with Mirage. She radiates hate and willful neglect from her very core. Pearls, pigs, etc.
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#458. To: Jhoffa_ (#457)
Pearls, pigs, etc. Never knew mirage was a female. I agree on your second point.
You're wasting your time with Mirage. She radiates hate and willful neglect from her very core.
#459. To: Jhoffa_, A K A Stone (#457)
I didn't know I was female either. I guess there is a lot of ignorance out there. As for hate - what hate? All I see is hate directed at me that I have to deal with and I'm tired of holding up mirrors to people so they can see themselves in them. Willful neglect? Dubious. I do more research than anyone else I know.
You're wasting your time with Mirage. She radiates hate and willful neglect from her very core.
#460. To: mirage (#459)
I guess there is a lot of ignorance out there. No, you just write like a whiney little girl.
I didn't know I was female either.
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#461. To: Jhoffa_ (#457)
Wow this thread sure got long!
#462. To: Jhoffa_ (#460)
Thanks for the compliment. Might I say you're quite a peach yourself :)
No, you just write like a whiney little girl.
#463. To: Diana (#461)
Yeah, it's like "Queer Eye for the political guy" around these parts lately.
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#464. To: mirage (#462)
You're welcome.. If you ever want to actually talk (As opposed to toss bombs or play gotcha) ping me. If not, don't.
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#465. To: Jhoffa_ (#463)
LOL!! Whose Carson? :P Yeah, it's like "Queer Eye for the political guy" around these parts lately.
#466. To: Jhoffa_ (#464)
*chuckle* Well, we could discuss blowback :-) When there is something entertaining as opposed to dull, I will certainly drop a line. If you'd like to discuss blowback, that's fine as well.
If you ever want to actually talk (As opposed to toss bombs or play gotcha) ping me.
#467. To: mirage (#466)
In the context of the current conversation, the FCC may intervene.
*chuckle* Well, we could discuss blowback :-)
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#468. To: Jhoffa_ (#463)
Who started this thread?
Yeah, it's like "Queer Eye for the political guy" around these parts lately.
And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush
#469. To: Dakmar (#468)
Hey, it's been fucking faggot central for days.. You degenerates! (Shame, shame, everyone kows your name.)
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#470. To: Jhoffa_ (#469)
I vote we ban faggots from posting here, unless they have an IQ over 90. We can apply for a federal grant, call it a research project.
And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush
#471. To: Jhoffa_ (#469)
Hey at least Carson has a sense of humor.. I think that's the criteria.. hang their sexual orientation.. (we dont have bathrooms on 4 :P )
#472. To: Dakmar (#470)
I thought they already had the AR1 posting visa? But what the hell, redundancy is the lifeblood of government.
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#473. To: Zipporah (#471)
Are you using him to smuggle drugs?
Hey at least Carson has a sense of humor..
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#474. To: Jhoffa_ (#473)
Hmm who assigned to do the body cavity search? :P
Are you using him to smuggle drugs?
#475. To: Jhoffa_ (#467)
I was thinking more in terms of Group A goes after Group B, Group B counterattacks Group A and then there's a big "What happenned?" Kinda like the Iraq War. Blowback in terms of bombings and whatnot.
In the context of the current conversation, the FCC may intervene.
#476. To: mirage (#475)
But I didn't go after you.. You went after everyone else. Look, Homosexuality is a sin as defined by scripture. So's a million other things. Further, I'm in NO POSITION to become 4um's resident preacher. I don't have the disposition for it and I'd get struck by lightning regardless. Even further, I'm in no position to judge.. and I don't. Trust me, the "better than you" argument won't work for me. as such, I won't make it. Regardless and ironically, I do have a very good understanding of Christian theology. All I ask is that if you wish to converse on this subject, don't toss bombs or shreik like a harpie. I'm perfectly capable of answering you with as much respect as you afford me and others.
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#477. To: Jhoffa_ (#476)
Hold the phone here. You're jumping ahead of things. Let's back up a bit. One person's religion is not necessarily another's. Can we agree on that? That's the place to start. We can go forward from there.
But I didn't go after you.. You went after everyone else.
#478. To: mirage (#477)
Sure... And homosexuality, and the agenda that accompanies it, isn't necessarily a religious issue. There's allot of secular reasons to oppose this, and tons to oppose it being codified in law.
One person's religion is not necessarily another's. Can we agree on that?
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#479. To: mirage (#477)
God is everyones God. Some of us realize that, others don't. Just because you don't have ears to hear, doesn't mean the Bible is untrue.
One person's religion is not necessarily another's.
#480. To: A K A Stone (#479)
gaybasher..
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#481. To: A K A Stone (#479)
Mirage is more right than he knows.. Religion requires worship. As such, we've got "religious" people worshiping all sorts of things. From body parts to money.. They're out there.
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#482. To: Jhoffa_ (#480)
From Leviticus If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
gaybasher..
#483. To: A K A Stone (#482)
Well, yeah.. It sounds bad when you say it like that.
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#484. To: Jhoffa_ (#483)
I didn't say it. God did. Gods word is good. So how could it be bad?
Well, yeah.. It sounds bad when you say it like that.
#485. To: mirage (#475)
I think your a normaphobe.
I was thinking more in terms of Group A goes after Group B, Group B counterattacks Group A and then there's a big "What happenned?"
#486. To: A K A Stone (#484)
I dunno.. Couldn't be be a little more inclusive?
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#487. To: A K A Stone (#485)
Just 14 more and half way to a grand.....
"Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth." - Albert Einstein
#488. To: A K A Stone (#479)
Hmm well scripture doesnt exactly confirm that: Phillipians 3:19 John 8:33,39, 44 All are not children of God..
God is everyones God. Some of us realize that, others don't. Just because you don't have ears to hear, doesn't mean the Bible is untrue.
#489. To: Jhoffa_ (#486)
Ok this is more inclusive And if a man lie with a beast, he shall surely be put to death: and ye shall slay the beast. 16 And if a woman approach unto any beast, and lie down thereto, thou shalt kill the woman, and the beast: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
I dunno.. Couldn't be be a little more inclusive?
#490. To: Zipporah (#488)
You're so negative..
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#491. To: A K A Stone (#489)
Well, yeah.. but aside from that stuff, how's it a sin?
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#492. To: Jhoffa_ (#490)
I do have my moments :P
You're so negative..
#493. To: Zipporah (#488)
Put it this way. God is God. We all have access to him if we choose.
#494. To: A K A Stone (#493)
okay.. I thought you may be trying to say everyone is a child of God. And a question.. what did Jesus say about the law and his role?
Put it this way. God is God. We all have access to him if we choose.
#495. To: Jhoffa_ (#478)
There's allot of secular reasons to oppose this, and tons to oppose it being codified in law. That's entirly reasonable. Which means we create a new thread written from the perspective of a transvetite maintenence specialist on the freighter Edmund Fitzgerald. No, that's stupid, but so is: Thomas Jefferson, one of our nation's illustrious founders, was not, history records, a strong biblical Christian. Yet, as Governor of Virginia, in 1779 Jefferson introduced bills to punish homosexual sodomy with the penalty being banishment and castration. There is no record that anyone at the time accused Mr. Jefferson of bigotry or hatred. Americans back then were a great degree wiser than they are today. Jefferson was skating on thin ice, I hear he liked that Brown Sugar, which was taboo for the peasants.
Sure... And homosexuality, and the agenda that accompanies it, isn't necessarily a religious issue.
Thomas Jefferson- "Castrate Homosexuals!"
And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush
#496. To: Zipporah (#494)
He came unto those who need him.. For who needs a doctor but the sick?
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#497. To: Dakmar (#495)
Did he propose to televise the castrations?
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#498. To: Zipporah (#494)
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
And a question.. what did Jesus say about the law and his role?
#499. To: Zipporah (#494)
He was the fulfillment of the law and he came to those who needed him..
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#500. To: A K A Stone (#498)
And what did he say summed up the law?
#501. To: Jhoffa_ (#497)
Get real, he probably didn't even have a press agent.
Did he propose to televise the castrations?
And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush
#502. To: Jhoffa_ (#478)
This is true. No disagreement there. However, to understand this, one needs to go back in time a bit. Who fired the first shots in this conflict? Where did the "agenda" come from? How has it evolved? Why is it *now* getting militant? Why can't people get along? Do people not understand that homosexuals have always been around and always will be? Do homosexuals not understand that they are outside the norm? Unfortunately, too many people don't understand that this is an action/reaction thing that is escalating beyond where it should be - and will not calm down until people on either side of this argument stop blindly firing shots at each other. I lived in the Bay Area for a long time and I've seen this up close and personal. Its not pretty. There are (basically) two groups in conflict and BOTH groups are behaving badly and BOTH groups need to be slapped silly and told to just knock off the sniping, sit down, and figure out how to live with each other. Likewise, people protesting the Gay Pride Parade in SF have helped turn it into a circus. What was once a fairly calm event that most people ignored has become an uncontrolled near-riot that now makes the national news. Why is that? Is it just action/reaction or is there something else? There was a city council meeting in San Francisco where a group of Baptists stood up and spent their time really just insulting the gays - and when it was the Gay Lobby's turn, they spent their time insulting the Baptists. Both the Baptists and the Homosexual lobby there *literally* spat on each other right in the middle of City Hall. That did not need to happen, yet it did. Is it a sign that things are escalating out of control or is it an expression of pure hate and malice? This is not going to get resolved until people on both sides of the debate start behaving like rational individuals instead of children, IMO. What sayest thou?
Sure... And homosexuality, and the agenda that accompanies it, isn't necessarily a religious issue.
#503. To: Dakmar (#501)
Yer butt.. He could have had Don King if he wanted him.. You're just a bigot!
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#504. To: Jhoffa_ (#499)
Right he was the fulfillment.. and as I asked Stone what did he say summed up the law?
He was the fulfillment of the law and he came to those who needed him..
#505. To: Zipporah (#500)
Love one another. If you love your neighbor....in this case the homosexual. Wouldn't you warn them of where their sin leads?
#506. To: A K A Stone (#498)
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. If Jesus comes back now he'll have to enforce the Patriot Act. What a dilemna...for what it's worth I'd refuse.
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil
And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush
#507. To: mirage (#502)
Yep And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. 28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them
Unfortunately, too many people don't understand that this is an action/reaction
#508. To: mirage (#502)
There were reasons for for most of the law.. as far as behavior etc.. most were there for the good of the individual.. and also for the community at large.. one being homosexual for one isn't natural..meaning an ability to procreate.. as well as disease issues.
#509. To: Dakmar (#506)
Talking about the mosaic law silly. Christians should sue the government for violation of copyright. How dare the government claim they are the law.
If Jesus comes back now he'll have to enforce the Patriot Act. What a dilemna...for what it's worth I'd refuse.
#510. To: mirage (#502)
Moi? I say it's a sin defined by scripture. Explicitly. However, do it if you will.. Sin is sin, whatever. What I won't accept is a demand that I accept it as normal or virtuous. I don't believe that and I don't want it taught to my children. The crux of the entire arguement used to be "Get the government out of our bedrooms!" Which seems reasonable. However it has now developed a bi-polar flavor and becomes contradictory: "Well, okay.. then bring them in if it involves special rights for our sexual behavior! Then shut them right back out again, as it's none of anyones business!"
What sayest thou?
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#511. To: A K A Stone (#505)
The sin CONDITION leads to death.. and what does scripture say about how men are drawn to him?
Love one another. If you love your neighbor....in this case the homosexual. Wouldn't you warn them of where their sin leads?
#512. To: Zipporah (#511)
By hearing the word.
The sin CONDITION leads to death.. and what does scripture say about how men are drawn to him?
#513. To: A K A Stone (#505)
In most cases they are much more informed than you, just like smokers, pot-heads, athiests, and liberals. And guys that sit on their front steps drinking all day, and bartenders, and police, and barbers, soldiers, schoolteachers, musicians, beach bums, convenience store clerks, cab drivers, waffle waitresses, choreographers, pornographers, hot dog vendors, chicken tenders, dead enders, sock menders, east enders, money lenders, money takers, fakers, shakers with their fuddy duddy furniture.
If you love your neighbor....in this case the homosexual. Wouldn't you warn them of where their sin leads?
And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush
#514. To: Dakmar (#513)
Actually in most cases they are less informed then me.
In most cases they are much more informed than you
#515. To: Jhoffa_ (#510)
Then we're basically on the same page, believe it or not. However, as I see things, there is an escalating fight brewing into screams of discrimination, which is thus turning into a call for protection and special rights. Thus, the genie is out of the bottle and is not likely to go back in, sadly. If things like the Gay Pride Parade and whatnot were ignored, that would likely go a long way toward defusing the powderkeg. Gay Marriage could be defused by getting Government out of the marriage business entirely. Why they are involved in the first place is un-understandable; it is a place for the Churches to be, not the Government. That would be a win-win for everyone involved, would it not, or am I oversimplifying?
What I won't accept is a demand that I accept it [homosexuality] as normal or virtuous.
...
The crux of the entire arguement used to be "Get the government out of our bedrooms!"
...
However it has now developed a bi-polar flavor and becomes contradictory: "Well, okay.. then bring them in if it involves special rights for our sexual behavior! Then shut them right back out again, as it's none of anyones business!"
#516. To: A K A Stone (#514)
In most cases they know the differrence between "then" and "than".
Actually in most cases they are less informed then me.
And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush
#517. To: A K A Stone (#507)
Is Scripture simply for believers to follow or must it be enforced on all, Muslim, Christian, Jew, Hindu, Wiccan, Atheist, Agnostic, et al alike? How does one deal with unbelievers who reject what you have to say?
#518. To: mirage (#515)
Are you admitting that Homosexuality is a sin?
Then we're basically on the same page, believe it or not.
#519. To: mirage (#515)
So far as churches go, it would make perfect sense.. As there are two marriages. The Christian marriage (the one I believe in) implies rules and religious context upon the participants. In short, it's "by the book" The State's marriage is another matter entirely.. It's contractural.
That would be a win-win for everyone involved, would it not, or am I oversimplifying?
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#520. To: A K A Stone (#512)
No.. thats not what scripture says.. that the love of God draws men to him.. and that love is only exhibited through his people.. those who are called by his name.. and read Gal 5:6
#521. To: mirage (#517)
That's what I've been trying to figure out. Sensible people agree we don't want children being taught deviant sexual mechanics in second grade, or high school for that matter. The Falwell Contingent seems more determined to bring this into our homes than door-to-door How does one deal with unbelievers who reject what you have to say?
dildo novelties salesmen.
And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush
#522. To: A K A Stone (#518)
The Bible says it is a sin for believers - you have to believe the Bible for it to be a sin. Does that make sense?
Are you admitting that Homosexuality is a sin?
#523. To: Jhoffa_ (#519)
You'd have the Unitarians running wild, but that would give people a place to go. So, getting Government out of things would solve many of the problems. An alternative solution I've pondered is simply "civil unions for all" and let people register themselves with Government if they need to. It just seems that things are so far out of control that a draconian solution is needed.
So far as churches go, it would make perfect sense..
#524. To: mirage (#523)
I'd just as soon be out of the "Government" loop, thank you.. They can keep their contract. It's a piece of paper.. worthless as a rental agreement in my book.
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#525. To: mirage (#523)
PS: This is something I would expect you to agree on.. Marriage is more than a paper filed in a court. Secular, or otherwise.. It reduces our relationships to numbers and filecards.
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#526. To: mirage (#523)
PS: The implication alone is insulting to the participants..
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#527. To: mirage (#517)
It is our job to inform you of what is to come. It's not our job to force you into anything.
How does one deal with unbelievers who reject what you have to say?
#528. To: Zipporah (#520)
and read Gal 5:6 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
No.. thats not what scripture says.. that the love of God draws men to him.. and that love is only exhibited through his people.. those who are called by his name..
#529. To: mirage (#522)
Does that make sense? No it doesn't make sense. Your also lying. Everyone sins and all will be held accountable. That is a fact.
The Bible says it is a sin for believers - you have to believe the Bible for it to be a sin.
#530. To: Jhoffa_ (#525)
You have my absolute agreement on that. Having been an unwilling participant in an 18-year court-battle-divorce that my parents went through, I agree with you more than you can possibly imagine.
Marriage is more than a paper filed in a court.
#531. To: mirage (#517)
He's lying.. We're actually charged with spreading your intestines over no less than a country mile. See, it's all true!
It is our job to inform you of what is to come. It's not our job to force you into anything.
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#532. To: Jhoffa_ (#524)
They can keep their contract. It's a piece of paper.. worthless as a rental agreement in my book. I agree with what you are saying. Just out of curiousity do you have a state marriage license? How long you been married?
I'd just as soon be out of the "Government" loop, thank you..
#533. To: A K A Stone (#528)
Thats speaking of faith .. not what draws people to God.. its the HS.. and thru the HS the love of God...
#534. To: mirage (#530)
There is really no such thing as divorce.
You have my absolute agreement on that. Having been an unwilling participant in an 18-year court-battle-divorce that my parents went through, I agree with you more than you can possibly imagine.
#535. To: Jhoffa_ (#531)
Will you be needing any x-acto knives?
We're actually charged with spreading your intestines over no less than a country mile.
And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush
#536. To: A K A Stone (#534)
Really?
There is really no such thing as divorce.
#537. To: Zipporah (#533)
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
Thats speaking of faith .. not what draws people to God.. its the HS.. and thru the HS the love of God..
#538. To: A K A Stone (#529)
I am not lying. In order for homosexuality to be a sin, you have to believe it to be a sin. You also have to believe that there is such a thing as sin. Please bear in mind that not everyone shares your religious convictions. For you, that is the truth. For others, it is not. Your personal truth and beliefs are not necessarily someone else's.
No it doesn't make sense. Your also lying. Everyone sins and all will be held accountable. That is a fact.
#539. To: mirage (#530)
My parents are the Cleavers in word and deed.. My father is an Elder and there exists no man for whom I have more respect and who has more integrity. He's not a fire and brimstone guy.. He's plesant, mild.. Very understated and worthy of respect. If he found a million bucks cash, you could count the seconds before he showed up at the police station to turn it all in, just because it's the right thing to do. I'd bet my life on it.. Truly an excellent role model. I couldn't have designed more perfect parents. (Which doesn't speak well of me, but regardless) Perhaps our backgrounds make the difference?
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#540. To: Dakmar (#535)
The usual.. and lots of golf balls and 1/2 kilo of Skoggie. It's okay, we're using code here. No one will ever figure it out.
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#541. To: Zipporah (#536)
There is really no such thing as reality.
'We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality – judiciously, as you will – we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.'
And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush
#542. To: A K A Stone (#532)
Two years and no.
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#543. To: A K A Stone (#537)
We're not talking about Christians.. one FIRST has to be called by the HS ..you can't put the horse before the cart.. so to speak.
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
#544. To: Zipporah (#536)
For sure... And he answered and said unto them, What did Moses command you? 4 And they said, Moses suffered to write a bill of divorcement, and to put her away. Deut 24:1 Matt 5:31 19:7 5 And Jesus answered and said unto them, For the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept. 6 But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female. Gen 1:27 Matt 19:4 7 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife; Gen 2:24 Matt 19:5 1 Cor 6:16 Eph 5:31 8 And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh. Gen 2:24 9 What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. 10 And in the house his disciples asked him again of the same matter. 11 And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her. 12 And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.
Really?
#545. To: Dakmar (#541)
I've come to that conclusion LOL!
There is really no such thing as reality.
#546. To: Jhoffa_ (#542)
I've been married much longer. I have a paper from the courts. I was ignorant at the time. I was married by a minister though. In fact he was my wifes father.
Two years and no.
#547. To: mirage (#538)
I am not lying. In order for homosexuality to be a sin, you have to believe it to be a sin. You also have to believe that there is such a thing as sin. Please bear in mind that not everyone shares your religious convictions. For you, that is the truth. For others, it is not. Your personal truth and beliefs are not necessarily someone else's. Don't be dumb. Just because you don't know the laws of gravity, doesn't mean if you jump the WORLD TRADE CENTER you won't die. Same goes for sin, because you are WILLINGLY ignorant is no exescuse. You can choose to believe or not. People who go to hell go there willingly by choice.
No it doesn't make sense. Your also lying. Everyone sins and all will be held accountable. That is a fact.
#548. To: A K A Stone (#546)
My wifes father is a minister also.. as it happens.
Dubya to the serfs: "It's Raining!"
#549. To: A K A Stone (#544)
What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. 10 Well seems Jesus says there is divorce then.. does he not? And what if the couple isnt joined of God?
And Jesus answered and said unto them, For the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept. 6
#550. To: Zipporah (#549)
Then they are not married?
And what if the couple isnt joined of God?
#551. To: Zipporah (#549)
no What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
Well seems Jesus says there is divorce then.. does he not?
#552. To: Jhoffa_ (#539)
Quite probably :) If I found the money, I would turn it in and you could count the seconds. In fact, I've done that, but with smaller amounts and wallets. The old saw "Let your conscience be your guide" is alive and well here. I also try to live by the Golden Rule and understand that it also works faithfully in reverse. The world is not black and white entirely; very few things actually are. The rest of it is a tradeoff - what is the greater good or the lesser evil? Many shades of gray exist and not everything is as clear as it once was. Anyhow, that's what runs through mirage's brain. If you would like more background, I am happy to provide.
Perhaps our backgrounds make the difference?
#553. To: A K A Stone (#546)
Was the word "incest" ever mentioned?
I was married by a minister though. In fact he was my wifes father.
And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush
#554. To: Zipporah (#549)
Paul says no harm, no foul to cast off an unbeliever if they leave. I would assume this to mean there's no meaningful ties in such a circumstance.
And what if the couple isnt joined of God?
Dubya to the serfs: "It's Raining!"
#555. To: A K A Stone (#547)
You're missing the point entirely. Those are YOUR beliefs. Hindus would disagree with you as would Bhuddists and Shintos. Calvinists would say that you have no choice in the matter. Wiccans are another matter entirely. Again, those are YOUR beliefs and YOU hold them to be true. That is what makes them religious beliefs. Please understand that. What you are doing now is imposing your beliefs on others and insisting that they adhere to your beliefs. Your beliefs are yours and yours alone. Not everyone accepts them and as such, they are not bound by them.
Don't be dumb. Just because you don't know the laws of gravity, doesn't mean if you jump the WORLD TRADE CENTER you won't die. Same goes for sin, because you are WILLINGLY ignorant is no exescuse. You can choose to believe or not. People who go to hell go there willingly by choice.
#556. To: Jhoffa_ (#539)
If I found a million bucks, i'd consider it a miracle and a gift from God. I'd keep it. Because there is no way someone would just lose a million bucks.
If he found a million bucks cash, you could count the seconds before he showed up at the police station to turn it all in, just because it's the right thing to do.
#557. To: mirage (#552)
Yeah there are also mexicans, chinese, indians and lots more.
The world is not black and white entirely
#558. To: mirage (#552)
The old saw "Let your conscience be your guide" I have also.. That's commendable before any decent party.. regardless of the topic at hand. Others would ridicule you and call you a fool.. Ridicule your intelligence. Kind of like you cheated Darwin somehow. But in my book it's honorable. It's the way honorable men behave, regardless. If you wish to provide background information, that's fine. PM it if you wish. I'm curious.
If I found the money, I would turn it in and you could count the seconds. In fact, I've done that, but with smaller amounts and wallets.
Dubya to the serfs: "It's Raining!"
#559. To: Dakmar (#553)
Why such strange questions. I suppose your for that too.
Was the word "incest" ever mentioned?
#560. To: A K A Stone (#556)
And you'd just take that on faith?
If I found a million bucks, i'd consider it a miracle and a gift from God. I'd keep it. Because there is no way someone would just lose a million bucks.
Dubya to the serfs: "It's Raining!"
#561. To: mirage (#555)
No I understand perfectly what you said. You're the one missing the point. God will hold you accountable if you believe or not. You are just willingly ignorant and without exescuse.
You're missing the point entirely.
#562. To: mirage (#555)
Actually it is you trying to impose your athiest loser religion on me. Im telling you the way it is. You are free to reject it. It's your choice.
Please understand that. What you are doing now is imposing your beliefs on others and insisting that they adhere to your beliefs. Your beliefs are yours and yours alone. Not everyone accepts them and as such, they are not bound by them.
#563. To: Jhoffa_ (#554)
Agreed.. I used to attend a church that told us that if you were divorced..that's it .. no remarriage nothing nada.. unfortunately I believed them.. AND the man was always the head of the household .. even if they were well.. less than there.. LOL
I would assume this to mean there's no meaningful ties in such a circumstance.
#564. To: Jhoffa_ (#560)
And you'd just take that on faith? Think about it. Who would just lose a million dollars. Wouldn't it indeed be a miracoulous occasion. What if you found 10 bucks blowing down the street. Would you stick that in your pocket or turn it in. I'd stick it in my pocket. Now if it happened to be in a wallet with some ID, then I would turn it in.
If I found a million bucks, i'd consider it a miracle and a gift from God. I'd keep it. Because there is no way someone would just lose a million bucks.
#565. To: Dakmar (#553)
ROFL!
Was the word "incest" ever mentioned?
#566. To: A K A Stone (#564)
A drug dealer, organized crime.
Who would just lose a million dollars.
#567. To: Zipporah (#566)
So why give it to them. Why give it to the government, they are the biggest thieves around.
A drug dealer, organized crime.
#568. To: Zipporah (#563)
Well, ideally.. No, there is no divorce. However, these things are qualified for us humans who seem to always screw things up. So, yes.. for all practical intents and purposes there is divorce, but its not the natural state of things as defined. It's an error.. an abboration. But not one we always have control over.. Thus, it's qualified.
Dubya to the serfs: "It's Raining!"
#569. To: A K A Stone (#567)
Something we can all agree on.....
the government, they are the biggest thieves around.
"Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth." - Albert Einstein
#570. To: A K A Stone (#564)
I've run around a parking lot trying to return twenty. Ironically, no one accepted it and I was short of lunch money that day.
What if you found 10 bucks blowing down the street. Would you stick that in your pocket or turn it in.
Dubya to the serfs: "It's Raining!"
#571. To: Jhoffa_ (#568)
Agreed.. Im lucky I can control myself.. :P
But not one we always have control over.. Thus, it's qualified.
#572. To: Jhoffa_ (#570)
Well I guess you weren't the only honest one that day.
I've run around a parking lot trying to return twenty.
#573. To: A K A Stone (#567)
Uh I think you're the one that proposed turning it in..
So why give it to them. Why give it to the government, they are the biggest thieves around.
#574. To: A K A Stone (#572)
Maybe..
Dubya to the serfs: "It's Raining!"
#575. To: Zipporah (#573)
No that was Saint Jhoffa. I said it would be a miracle.
Uh I think you're the one that proposed turning it in..
#576. To: A K A Stone (#575)
hard to keep track of the one liner replies.
No that was Saint Jhoffa. I said it would be a miracle.
#577. To: A K A Stone, Diana, Zipporah (#557)
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2Ch 21:11 Moreover he made high places in the mountains of Judah, and caused the inhabitants of Jerusalem to commit fornication, and compelled Judah [thereto]. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Isa 23:17 And it shall come to pass after the end of seventy years, that the LORD will visit Tyre, and she shall turn to her hire, and shall commit fornication with all the kingdoms of the world upon the face of the earth. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Eze 16:26 Thou hast also committed fornication with the Egyptians thy neighbours, great of flesh; and hast increased thy whoredoms, to provoke me to anger. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Eze 16:29 Thou hast moreover multiplied thy fornication in the land of Canaan unto Chaldea; and yet thou wast not satisfied herewith. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mat 5:32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mat 19:9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except [it be] for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jhn 8:41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, [even] God. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Act 15:20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and [from] fornication, and [from] things strangled, and [from] blood. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Act 15:29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Act 21:25 As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written [and] concluded that they observe no such thing, save only that they keep themselves from [things] offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rom 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1Cr 5:1 It is reported commonly [that there is] fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1Cr 6:13 Meats for the belly, and the belly for meats: but God shall destroy both it and them. Now the body [is] not for fornication, but for the Lord; and the Lord for the body. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1Cr 6:18 Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1Cr 7:2 Nevertheless, [to avoid] fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1Cr 10:8 Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2Cr 12:21 [And] lest, when I come again, my God will humble me among you, and [that] I shall bewail many which have sinned already, and have not repented of the uncleanness and fornication and lasciviousness which they have committed. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are [these]; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Eph 5:3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Col 3:5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1Th 4:3 For this is the will of God, [even] your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jud 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rev 2:14 But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rev 2:20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rev 2:21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rev 9:21 Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rev 14:8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rev 17:2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rev 17:4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rev 18:3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rev 18:9 And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning, -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rev 19:2 For true and righteous [are] his judgments: for he hath judged the great whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand just for the sake of conversation & interest I posted above the results of a search at BLB Word Search web site http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/words.pl? word=fornication&page=1 I did a search for 'fornication' because I was looking for one verse in revelation. I am astounded that the vast majority of references for this word come from the book of Revelation. One book out of 66 books in the bible has the word 'fornication' something like a third of the time. I think the reason the word is not mentioned in the early old testament books at all is because in those early books they use much more dainty language when they describe such things.
Diana & Zipporah - I hope this isn't too base this bit below because below are the results of a search for 'fornication' in the bible. Since it seems a popular topic on this thread & others.
#578. To: A K A Stone (#575)
It's "Saint Jhoffa_" With an --> _ Underscore
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#579. To: Red Jones (#577)
It's a wide range of sin.. reference "pornos" (From which "pornography" comes)
Dubya to the serfs: "It's Raining!"
#580. To: Jhoffa_ (#578)
I almost put that _ there but for some reason I didn't.
#581. To: A K A Stone (#580)
serf.. Gook!
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#582. To: Red Jones (#577)
well.. the way it was translated was different I suppose.. what translation or version did you look up? What do you think it was referring to in revelation..
#583. To: Jhoffa_ (#581)
Ye shall no longer be known as Jhoffa_ , but from henceforth ye shall be called Jhoffa.
#584. To: A K A Stone (#583)
Get thou from me, underwriter..
Dubya to the serfs: "It's Raining!"
#585. To: A K A Stone (#583)
Can't I have a cool muslim name like all the others? How about Shiek Fubar-Youmommakar? Catchy, yes?
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#586. To: Jhoffa_ (#585)
How about Shiek Fubar-Youmommakar? Catchy, yes? Only if you want your name blotted out of the book of life.
Can't I have a cool muslim name like all the others?
#587. To: A K A Stone (#586)
You're so negative... Why you gotta be like that?
Dubya to the serfs: "It's Raining!"
#588. To: Jhoffa_ (#587)
Why you gotta be like that? Oh.....I don't know.
You're so negative...
#589. To: A K A Stone (#588)
How about ackbar-ackbar-ackbar-mohammed-ackbar?
Dubya to the serfs: "It's Raining!"
#590. To: Jhoffa_ (#589)
Just a sec let me get my foil hat out of the recycle bin and get my decoder ring.
How about ackbar-ackbar-ackbar-mohammed-ackbar?
#591. To: A K A Stone (#586)
Catchy, yes? Only if you want your name blotted out of the book of life What if that was the name of a Christian Iraqi or Iranian? Are they out too?
How about Shiek Fubar-Youmommakar?
#592. To: Zipporah (#591)
He's such a bigot..
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#593. To: Jhoffa_ (#592)
Apparently!
He's such a bigot..
#594. To: Zipporah (#591)
Im just joking.
What if that was the name of a Christian Iraqi or Iranian? Are they out too
#595. To: A K A Stone (#594)
Don't lie, bigot..
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#596. To: A K A Stone (#594)
I didnt see -- > :P or -- > ;) so I dunno?
Im just joking.
#597. To: Zipporah (#596)
Bigot-Bigot-Bigot!
Dubya to the serfs: "It's Raining!"
#598. To: Zipporah (#596)
I will say this. Moslems won't make it to heaven unless they convert.
didnt see -- > :P or -- > ;) so I dunno?
#599. To: Jhoffa_ (#597)
You gotta believe him unless he qualifies it with a --- . ;) Its the internet rules!
Bigot-Bigot-Bigot!
#600. To: Zipporah (#599)
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#601. To: A K A Stone (#600)
TOooooooooooo late.. can't go back .. :P
#602. To: Zipporah (#601)
======) <> U ;)
#603. To: A K A Stone (#602)
Not working.. too late .. too bad ..
#604. To: Zipporah (#603)
I don't think you get it. :)
#605. To: A K A Stone (#562)
What makes you think I'm an atheist? You don't know what I am!
Actually it is you trying to impose your athiest loser religion on me. Im telling you the way it is. You are free to reject it. It's your choice.
#606. To: mirage (#605)
Your not real.....Your just a mirage.
What makes you think I'm an atheist? You don't know what I am!
#607. To: A K A Stone (#604)
Apparently not.. unless you mean this has all been BS.. and you're just trying for a huge thread.
I don't think you get it. :)
#608. To: A K A Stone (#606)
Heh! That is one of the reasons I picked this screen name :-) Its symbolic of many things :-)
Your not real.....Your just a mirage.
#609. To: All (#577)
As I said I was most interested in revelation 18:3. For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies. the kings of the earth are corrupted as with fornication with babylon. That describes a New World Order paradigm of today. I tell you (and I know some of you think I'm nuts on this) every verse in revelation with this word in it is blaming the end-times system known as babylon and those who have enabled it. I was interested in the verses that imply babylon uses fornication as a tool both to corrupt the kings of the earth, but also the people in general as a means of ruling and as a value system as well. This is the babylon we see in hollywood, in new york in las vegas in washington dc in america in the world. Face it, we've seen what hollywood does. We've seen what the synagoge of satan has done in hollywood as well. Do a search for 'synagogue of satan' and see those verses also in revelation. One of the characteristics of the beast that rules in the end times is that it (the beast) does whatever it pleases. Those who rule over us, but behind the scenes pulling the strings of politicians and armies, these people do just as they please. They make money of artificial value and use it to rule the world. it says right in revelation that one of the characteristics of the beast that rules is that it controls treasuries. It says this beast oppreseses the poor worldwide and that nobody is able to war on this beast. It says the beast rises from the sea. Some take that literally, I feel it means that the beast (system that rules) rises from the law of the sea. 'law of the sea' is a legal term. It means mercantile law made between leaders of nations for reasons of commerce & profit. The beast rises from the 'law of the sea' legal tradition. When the verses above speak in revelation - they are speaking to the whore of babylon. the 'whore of babylon' is a metaphor for the nation that hosts babylon. That is our nation. I do not advocate that we blame ourselves or our nation or each other. But that is our nation the bible is speaking of. We are the greatest of the nations, and it has happened to us, that when god decided to let evil rule us, then evil did rule us. If our nation was overtaken by the evil of babylon and used as such, then surely any of the other nations would've succombed even faster than our nation has under such an attack. that our people are resourceful and resilient today only works to babylon's favor. But god will destroy babylon in one hour's time. He will do so as he said by leading 10 kingdoms to rebel against it and defeat it totally and utterly in one hour's time. This is a message for us. Revelation is a story of the end season (I know zipp has different interpretation). There are many interesting interpretations of many different parts of the bible. It is difficult to interpret the bible accurately and reliably. We should be willing though to listen to different interpretations. I feel that our nation has much more so than any other nation in world history brought forth the fruits of god. Jesus said (in matthew) that he will take his blessing from the jews of old testament times and give it to the nation that brings forth the fruits of god. Anyone who knows America knows that it has been a very special nation with tremendous good and prosperity and justice even for the common ordinary person. and our nation had many other very good qualities as well. The french had a phrase - 'american magic'. with all these blessings we still allowed babylon to rule and not just to rule us, but to rule the world. babylon does not bring forth the fruits of god. It corrupts & destroys, it oppresses the poor. It brings destruction to the earth and disease to the people. It puts the people of the earth under the spell of sorcery (which in greek language can mean drugs). we were blessed and we allowed the world to be taken like this. Therefore, I say to you we are guilty. guilty of sin. I think the title on this article above is provocative and that bothers people. It's just a title. Sticks & stones ... ...
#610. To: Zipporah (#607)
No it was a picture. If you figure it out don't be mad it was just a joke.
Apparently not.. unless you mean this has all been BS.. and you're just trying for a huge thread.
#611. To: Red Jones (#609)
Well.. not sure it's referring to our nation.. the references to adultery has to do with spiritual adultery.. the book of Revelation IMO and traditionally is the story of the church..
#612. To: Zipporah, Diana (#582)
What do you think it was referring to in revelation.. I looked it up in king james english version. I wrote things I thought in #609.
well.. the way it was translated was different I suppose.. what translation or version did you look up?
#613. To: Red Jones (#609)
Do you think America is mystery Babylon?
#614. To: A K A Stone (#610)
You need ascii lessons :P
No it was a picture. If you figure it out don't be mad it was just a joke.
#615. To: Red Jones (#612)
Okay I was just curious..
I looked it up in king james english version. I wrote things I thought in #609.
#616. To: Zipporah (#614)
and html
You need ascii lessons :P
#617. To: A K A Stone (#613)
that is a very good question. I think that this ruling system babylon is empowered by the 1913 law enabling federal reserve. That whole system of ruling (new world order) was empowered and kicked off and financed with that law. Now I prefer to distinguish between those who rule and the American nation. There is a big difference between the United States and the American nation. And I also believe there is a difference between the United States and Babylon. Babylon rules over the US is how I prefer to think about it. And I prefer not to think that the American nation is babylon. But babylon rules here and we host and empower babylon. This may be in the early stages of babylon's rule. And you know in god's time a day is as a thousand years. But perhaps america is babylon, we are at a minimum the host nation for babylon.
Do you think America is mystery Babylon?
#618. To: Red Jones (#617)
There will come a time when Gods people are supposed to leave Babylon. Do you think that means leave the geographic location, or the system so to speak.
But perhaps america is babylon, we are at a minimum the host nation for babylon.
#619. To: Red Jones (#617)
Why do you think that God considering the thousands of years of history since Revelation was written.. be referring to the United States.. consider all of the evil that has been perpretrated by men across the centuries.. why not about world communism? Is not the bible about our spiritual state? Not the physical?
#620. To: A K A Stone (#618)
Oh for crying out loud.. sorry but this so wears thin.
There will come a time when Gods people are supposed to leave Babylon. Do you think that means leave the geographic location, or the system so to speak.
#621. To: Zipporah (#619)
Because maybe the U.S. is an end times player.
Why do you think that God considering the thousands of years of history since Revelation was written.. be referring to the United States.. consider all of the evil that has been perpretrated by men across the centuries.. why not about world communism? Is not the bible about our spiritual state? Not the physical?
#622. To: A K A Stone (#621)
Not..
Because maybe the U.S. is an end times player.
#623. To: A K A Stone (#0)
Hard to believe that this is the "top" topic. [nothing follows]
Another Mogambo Day
#624. To: Zipporah (#620)
That is what the book of Revelation says....Read for yourself... And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory. 2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird. 3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies. 4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. 5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities
Oh for crying out loud.. sorry but this so wears thin.
#625. To: A K A Stone (#624)
I know the book of Revelation.. it isnt about the United States.. geesh
#626. To: Zipporah (#622)
Many people believe we are. Im not sure at this time. I kind of think we are Babylon mentioned in Revelation. The descriptions sure describe us.
Not..
#627. To: A K A Stone (#626)
Many people are dead wrong..
Many people believe we are. Im not sure at this time. I kind of think we are Babylon mentioned in Revelation. The descriptions sure describe us.
#628. To: A K A Stone (#618)
Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. that is also a very interesting question. Amazingly, the verse you're speaking of above is right after the 'fornication' verse I posted above in 609. That is what got the whole search started for me. I don't know how to interpret that verse. It could be a rapture type thing to be done at time of 'abomination'. abomination is babylon's destruction which god describes best in daniel and is a horrible horrible thing that god does not want, but will lead others to do. Or it could be meant more literally that believers should literally leave her and go to ecuador. those antipas ministries people (who have a web site and preach that america is babylon) always preach leaving the US as a result of this verse. But I seem to remember reading in Daniel advice from god to those believers who live in babylon to just stay put and don't worry, even to stay in the cities and not seek rural refuge even up until the time of the abomination. That's how I remember it from when I read it. And I think in daniel chapter 3 or so there is the parable about 3 men being put into a hot furnace and the furnace doesn't harm them. This I feel is a parable for the american believers, they can stay put and if god wishes to protect them during the destruction, then god will. But the key verse that makes me think babylon rules today as I say is Rev 18:19 And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas, that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate. When it speaks of 'costliness', there is only one nation that it can be. This verse is what more than any other made me think this way. We are the nation of the 'strong-dollar' policy. and that makes us costly to live in, but able to import so much without exporting. The 'strong-dollar' policy is the most important policy of those who rule over us. That is a policy the US fights wars for and engages in all kinds of corruption to enforce.
#629. To: Zipporah (#627)
yes..perhaps even you. Have you ever heard of the little horn that comes out of nowhere....
Many people are dead wrong..
#630. To: A K A Stone (#629)
What you are advocating is in direct contradiction of nearly 2 thousand years of orthodox biblical theology.. only a little over 200 years and then for many years it wasnt viewed as such.. so my view has a lot more scholarship to back up what I believe than you.
yes..perhaps even you. Have you ever heard of the little horn that comes out of nowhere....
#631. To: Red Jones (#628)
Do you believe in a pretribulation rapture. I used to, but no longer do. If you read Matthew Chapter 24 the disciples asked Jesus what the signs of the end of the world would be. Jesus laid it out and there was no pre-trib rapture. That among other reasons. Fornication in Revelation I believe is having other gods besides the Real God.
#632. To: Zipporah (#630)
The religious people of Jesus's time didn't see him as the Messiah. At least a good portion of them.
What you are advocating is in direct contradiction of nearly 2 thousand years of orthodox biblical theology.. only a little over 200 years and then for many years it wasnt viewed as such.. so my view has a lot more scholarship to back up what I believe than you.
#633. To: A K A Stone (#632)
What are you talking about? What does what you've just posted have to do with what I posted..?? Absolutely nothing whatsoever.
The religious people of Jesus's time didn't see him as the Messiah. At least a good portion of them.
#634. To: Zipporah (#619)
As AKA Stone said - I think today's world is described in revelation. that's my view on it. I think it's interesting that Bush & NWO friends congregate in Bohemian Grove for the things they do. Those religious practices I believe come from what was one day long ago ancient babylon. but they are practiced in modern babylon by the leaders, the rulers. not by the masses of people, by the rulers instead.
#635. To: Zipporah (#633)
What are you talking about? What does what you've just posted have to do with what I posted..?? Absolutely nothing whatsoever. Religious "scholars" are often wrong.
The religious people of Jesus's time didn't see him as the Messiah. At least a good portion of them.
#636. To: Red Jones (#634)
When the tower of Babel was being built. There were many "races" building it. Today the U.S. has many "races". I just find that interesting.
I think it's interesting that Bush & NWO friends congregate in Bohemian Grove for the things they do. Those religious practices I believe come from what was one day long ago ancient babylon. but they are practiced in modern babylon by the leaders, the rulers. not by the masses of people, by the rulers instead.
#637. To: Red Jones (#634)
I think it's interesting that Bush & NWO friends congregate in Bohemian Grove for the things they do. Those religious practices I believe come from what was one day long ago ancient babylon. but they are practiced in modern babylon by the leaders, the rulers. not by the masses of people, by the rulers instead. Im in absolute disagreement with you..
As AKA Stone said - I think today's world is described in revelation. that's my view on it.
#638. To: A K A Stone (#635)
Really? Remember that when you read some of the lunacy being spewed by the so called religious leaders of today..
Religious "scholars" are often wrong.
#639. To: Zipporah (#638)
It's already etched on my brain.
Really? Remember that when you read some of the lunacy being spewed by the so called religious leaders of today..
#640. To: A K A Stone (#631)
I kind of tend to agree with you about that rapture issue. and I like Jesus' description in Matthew as well. I note that jesus says we will be very easily offended by each other in those end-times. and he says we should not be worried by these things even while they happen. And you might be right about your interpretation of meaning of the word 'fornication' in revelation.
Do you believe in a pretribulation rapture. I used to, but no longer do.
#641. To: A K A Stone (#639)
Doubtful.
It's already etched on my brain.
#642. To: Red Jones (#640)
Also remember Christ called himself the groom and his church the bride.
And you might be right about your interpretation of meaning of the word 'fornication' in revelation.
#643. To: A K A Stone (#636)
yes there are interpretations of verses in different books of the bible that babylon of the end-times is to have a diverse population whose people come from around the world.
#644. To: A K A Stone (#642)
that is so right. and I never thought of it that way with the word 'fornication' having that meaning.
Also remember Christ called himself the groom and his church the bride.
#645. To: Red Jones (#643)
One question.. have you ever studied what is the orthodox intrepretation of Revelation? Or are your beliefs from modern scholars?
#646. To: Zipporah (#645)
We should rely on the holy spirit.
One question.. have you ever studied what is the orthodox intrepretation of Revelation? Or are your beliefs from modern scholars?
#647. To: Zipporah (#645)
I got influenced to think this way by those people at 'antipas ministries'. http://www.antipasministries.com/ and by reading in different books of the bible.
#648. To: A K A Stone (#646)
Apparently you're listening to men rather than the HS..
We should rely on the holy spirit.
#649. To: Red Jones (#647)
I see.. then you havent then.
#650. To: Zipporah (#645)
but those people at antipas have a fixation over that verse that says 'come out of her'. the funny thing about them is that they fled to Canada to flee the US. And then there was a news story that the US & Canada are merging. I used to like reading on Antipas, but every month their essay is a re-hash of what they think. But I like a lot of stuff they have on their web-site even though I don't think they're producing good work any more.
#651. To: Zipporah (#648)
That may be true in some instances. Im not perfect, for sure. But what if those men are empowered by the holy spirit.
Apparently you're listening to men rather than the HS.
#652. To: Red Jones (#650)
Well then should I then take it that they hadn't interpreted who Babylon is correctly
but those people at antipas have a fixation over that verse that says 'come out of her'. the funny thing about them is that they fled to Canada to flee the US. And then there was a news story that the US & Canada are merging. I used to like reading on Antipas, but every month their essay is a re-hash of what they think. But I like a lot of stuff they have on their web-site even though I don't think they're producing good work any more.
#653. To: Zipporah (#649)
that's true, I haven't studied orthodox interpretation of revelation. I note that in Revelation it says that we would not be able to understand it (the book of Revelation) until those times come.
#654. To: Zipporah (#652)
I already said what I thought was babylon. and the antipas people agree with that interpretation.
#655. To: A K A Stone (#651)
No one is .. But what if they are not.. the ideas that you are entertaining are purely political in nature and they go began with Cyrus Scofield.. and John Darby.. its political..far from spiritual.
That may be true in some instances. Im not perfect, for sure. But what if those men are empowered by the holy spirit.
#656. To: Red Jones (#654)
If they left and fled for Canada with the belief that the US is Babylon..and now with NAFTA etc.. then apparently they were incorrect.
I already said what I thought was babylon. and the antipas people agree with that interpretation.
#657. To: Zipporah (#655)
Well im no fan of Scofield. But that doesn't mean everything he interpreted was incorrect.
No one is .. But what if they are not.. the ideas that you are entertaining are purely political in nature and they go began with Cyrus Scofield.. and John Darby.. its political..far from spiritual.
#658. To: Red Jones (#653)
I would suggest that you take a broader view and see what the historical orthodox view is.. just for the sake of study.
that's true, I haven't studied orthodox interpretation of revelation. I note that in Revelation it says that we would not be able to understand it (the book of Revelation) until those times come.
#659. To: A K A Stone (#657)
Well what you are saying basically is born from Scofield and Darby.. what they did was distort the scripture for political reasons..
Well im no fan of Scofield. But that doesn't mean everything he interpreted was incorrect.
#660. To: Zipporah (#658)
thank you for your advice
#661. To: Red Jones (#660)
I've studied both views.. and maybe you maybe you won't change your thoughts but it is good to have an understanding of both views.
#662. To: Zipporah (#659)
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#663. To: Zipporah (#659)
What would the political fruit be of naming America Babylon?
#664. To: A K A Stone (#663)
Sorry but I think you're a freakin' NUT to be trying to prove that homosexuality is the root of all heinous crime (that's what you said in so many words)... and I also think that you spend entirely TOO MUCH TIME worrying about what others do in their private lives... In fact, if I believed in your kind of nonsense, I'd have to say that wasting SO MUCH time judging others is a very serious sin... After all, you COULD be serving supper to Jesus's brethren in a soup kitchen or preachin' in airports to convert even more lowly sinners to your views of God. Hey, talk is cheap. Whatchoo do that REALLY matters to God? She won't be too happy with you if all you manage to do is focus on what you think OTHER people are doing that is sinful... btw, do you secretly wish you could do these naughty things with other men? Most folks with this much concern about homos do ya know. Sad, but true. Iffen I was you, I'd be scared. With all those terrible things you said about them, it'd be a real tragedy to realize someday that you do so wish that you were one of them... You'd better get a prayer line going for you cause you're gonna need it... I could name off a gadzillion folks who this very same thing happened to. I'm afraid that you're doomed AKA...
Don't force feed me your views... talk to me so I can hear you...
#665. To: siagiah (#664)
I never said homosexuality is the root of every heinous crime. That's stupid. Also God is a male. Your hatred of morals is immoral and disgusting. That's right you disgust me.
#666. To: A K A Stone (#663)
I agree,you spend entirely too much time worrying about Fudge Packers not to be one yourself. AKA FUDGE PACKER
Sorry but I think you're a freakin' NUT to be trying to prove that homosexuality is the root of all heinous crime (that's what you said in so many words)... and I also think that you spend entirely TOO MUCH TIME worrying about what others do in their private lives...
The former head of the National Security Agency, Retired Lt. General William Odom, said, "The invasion of Iraq, I believe, will turn out to be the greatest strategic disaster in U.S. history."
#667. To: Steppenwolf (#666)
Yeah if you talk about what the Bible says and point out some facts. I think you HATE GOD and suck dick I think you are the homo. Come on out of the closet.
I agree,you spend entirely too much time worrying about Fudge Packers not to be one yourself. AKA FUDGE PACKER
#668. To: christine, A K A Stone (#389)
Interesting read. I've always thought people are born heterosexual, homosexual, or at some point in between though most fall into the normal heterosexual range. I read an article a couple of years ago where they found that at a certain time of gestation, the fetus is washed with hormones, and this ratio has a lot to do with determining their gender/sexuality. As this article pointed out, homosexuals have obvious traits of the other sex. For instance when I was still in Houston one day I went to Luby's Cafeteria (how I miss Luby's!) and I saw these 2 older women who upon first glance I mistook for men. They were built like men, dressed like men, had very short hair and manly body language. I don't believe those ladies choose to be that way, I would feel terribly strange and very uncomfortable to dress like that. I don't even like wearing shirts with collars. I've always thought though that the vast majority of homos are born, and as you pointed out there are babies born with male and female parts too.
Hershberger believes it is possible that "pre-natal exposure to an opposite-sex hormonal environment may lead the nervous system to develop in a manner consistent with the opposite sex."
#669. To: lodwick (#400)
WhoTF would consciously choose that way of life? That sums it up pretty well.
Not to say that there are not serious recuitments for any wobblers out there - but most are wired that way, imo.
#670. To: A K A Stone (#667)
Jesus didn't hang out with guys by accident, he was a holy homo ... I love God and SHE loves me....
Yeah if you talk about what the Bible says and point out some facts. I think you HATE GOD and I think you are the homo. Come on out of the closet.
The former head of the National Security Agency, Retired Lt. General William Odom, said, "The invasion of Iraq, I believe, will turn out to be the greatest strategic disaster in U.S. history."
#671. To: Steppenwolf (#670)
Source please. Or do you just make this shit up. A fool has said in his heart there is no God. You're a fool.
Jesus didn't hang out with guys by accident, he was a holy homo ... I love God and SHE loves me....
#672. To: Diana (#668)
There are lots of geeks. Not all of them are fags.
As this article pointed out, homosexuals have obvious traits of the other sex
#673. To: A K A Stone, everyone here (#672)
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humor break -
#674. To: A K A Stone (#663)
I didnt say that naming the US Babylon would have any political bearing.. but NOT naming Babylon correctly would ..would it not?
What would the political fruit be of naming America Babylon?
#675. To: A K A Stone, Mirage, Red Jones, Dakmar, Zipporah (#507)
Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 32 Sounds like a good definition of the neocons to me....
Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 30
#676. To: A K A Stone (#665)
God is male? Oh really? God is neither male nor female.. God is a spirit.. the bible uses terminology regarding father figure.. as a protector etc.. There is one name used for God in the OT that refers to female .. mothering. It's symbolism.. word pictures .. for lack of a better term..
Also God is a male.
#677. To: 82Marine89 (#662)
LOL! How much popcorn have you consumed lately btw?? :P
#678. To: Diana (#675)
Yup! It also fits the ACLU perfectly.
Sounds like a good definition of the neocons to me....
#679. To: mirage (#452)
I'm still waiting. I don't think you can produce.
Are you sure you want me to give you a list of some select contradictions and select false prophecies?
#680. To: A K A Stone (#679)
I'm terribly sorry. I thought you weren't interested. I shall go compile the list and have it sometime tonite.
I'm still waiting. I don't think you can produce.
#681. To: A K A Stone (#665)
ROFLMAO... and I care what you think? ummm, yeah right... btw, God is FEMALE. AAAAAAND, I challenge you to PROVE otherwise... Also, UNDERSTAND THIS: the bible is NOT acceptable proof; One has to BELIEVE in it for it to have an OUNCE of authority, without BELIEF, it's a mere fairy tale believed in by millions... In FACT, it's NO DIFFERENT THAN THE KORAN or any other written book of HUMAN BELIEFS... Sad to say, it's actually no more authoritative than the voices sometimes heard in some people's heads... WHY? SIMPLE. It's all based on BELIEF and FAITH... and we all know as FACT, that BELIEVING IS NOT KNOWING... (belief is not knowledge) You'll have to do a whole lot better'n that to PROVE God is male... If you can manage that, the next challenge is to PROVE that a single word written in your assinine rant is even remotely accurate...
Don't force feed me your views... talk to me so I can hear you...
#682. To: siagiah (#681)
There are No exceptions to Philippians 2:10 & 11 At the name of JESUS every knee must bow, in Heaven and on the earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that JESUS CHRIST is LORD...
#683. To: siagiah (#681)
Your probably in the top ten dumbest people on the internet.
#684. To: siagiah (#681)
Oh really.....You sure are ignorant. Willingly so.
In FACT, it's NO DIFFERENT THAN THE KORAN
#685. To: A K A Stone (#671)
AKA, YOU are the phoniest Christian I've ever read... and if you BELIEVE otherwise, then YOU ARE A FOOL... that's right, you amuse me with your absurd rantings... aside from the pity I feel for you...
Don't force feed me your views... talk to me so I can hear you...
#686. To: siagiah (#685)
I don't even know who the hell you are. I guess I've made more of an impression on you than you on me.
AKA, YOU are the phoniest Christian I've ever read... and if you BELIEVE otherwise, then YOU ARE A FOOL... that's right, you amuse me with your absurd rantings... aside from the pity I feel for you...
#687. To: A K A Stone (#684)
AKA, it's truly pathetic how you simply don't GET it... Belief is NOT knowledge, never was, never will be. If you don't realize that all that you spout are BELIEFS, then you're dumber than I first thought... Most religious folks REALIZE that they BELIEVE, they don't KNOW... but they believe so strongly in their heart that it FEELS like knowing... However, when forced to see the obvious, most concede that they BELIEVE in God... They've never taken tea with her or chatted with her about how and why she made the world the way she did... DUH... but hey, it's been fun laughing at you. If you weren't so hatefilled, I wouldn't laugh at you... but honestly, I *believe* that you are a phoney baloney chain yanker... and totally full of crap...
Don't force feed me your views... talk to me so I can hear you...
#688. To: siagiah (#687)
Most religious folks REALIZE that they BELIEVE, they don't KNOW... but they believe so strongly in their heart that it FEELS like knowing... However, when forced to see the obvious, most concede that they BELIEVE in God... They've never taken tea with her or chatted with her about how and why she made the world the way she did... DUH... but hey, it's been fun laughing at you. If you weren't so hatefilled, I wouldn't laugh at you... but honestly, I *believe* that you are a phoney baloney chain yanker... and totally full of crap... Some people do not have ears to hear. That would be you. You have a hardened heart. Until you change your attitude, God wouldn't even hear your prayer if you wanted him to.
AKA, it's truly pathetic how you simply don't GET it... Belief is NOT knowledge, never was, never will be. If you don't realize that all that you spout are BELIEFS, then you're dumber than I first thought...
#689. To: All (#688)
Your the one hatefilled. You hate God and things that are normal. I suspect you are a closeted faggot and this thread got to you. You care to come out of the closet.
If you weren't so hatefilled
#690. To: A K A Stone (#689)
Actually, I'm female, heterosexual, and I do NOT believe in God. However, I do not hate that which I do not BELIEVE in. What do I BELIEVE? I am willing to entertain the existence of some kind of higher power that surely looks at humans as if we are complete and utter dolts... or the roosters of the universe... (roosters strut around like little gods, crow in the morning as if they personally cause the sun to rise, but are so damn stupid that they often drown in a rainstorm because they are too stupid to close their mouths.) btw, LEARN English contractions already... Your is NOT the same as YOU'RE (you are) Gawd, it's not wonder you can't correctly interpret what you read in your book of fantasy~!!
Don't force feed me your views... talk to me so I can hear you...
#691. To: siagiah (#690)
In other words you are willingly to believe in your own god. The one you created yourself in your own mind. One that doesn't hold you accountable. That is an evil thought that came out of your little mind.
What do I BELIEVE? I am willing to entertain the existence of some kind of higher power
#692. To: siagiah (#690)
This is the net. kewl, kool, which you rnot
btw, LEARN English contractions already... Your is NOT the same as YOU'RE (you are) Gawd, it's not wonder you can't correctly interpret what you read in your book of fantasy~!!
#693. To: A K A Stone (#686)
No, not quite... I don't know who you are, don't care either... however, after wasting my time last night reading your stupid post WAITING in vain for the punch line, I was so amazed that anyone would say such hateful and idiotic crap that I simply felt compelled to respond with my thoughts at the time. I was also very tired so I didn't listen to my better judgment (to simply laugh at you and move on) Frankly, I actually felt a little badly about my remarks last night but after getting a clearer vision of you THIS evening, I don't feel the slightest remorse for a single thing I wrote... You are some piece of work and if you actually BELIEVE the crap you write... I pity you... You've definitely made an impression but not the one you think... Peace... it's too nice an evening to waste more energy on you or your nonsense...
I don't even know who the hell you are. I guess I've made more of an impression on you than you on me
Don't force feed me your views... talk to me so I can hear you...
#694. To: siagiah (#690)
No they don't
(roosters strut around like little gods, crow in the morning
#695. To: siagiah (#693)
Oh, so now the truth is hateful. You're a real piece of work.
I was so amazed that anyone would say such hateful and idiotic crap
#696. To: siagiah (#693)
Is there anything you dispute in the article. Or did you just open your sewer to spew your hate?
#697. To: A K A Stone (#692)
last thoughts... I took NOTICE of your failure to accept OR ADDRESS my challenge to PROVE your statements. I *know* that you cannot and *believe* that you know it too. ha ha ha ha ha ha... but hey, that's an understood from the gitgo... BELIEFS are not FACTS... no matter how many people *BELIEVE* them.
Don't force feed me your views... talk to me so I can hear you...
#698. To: A K A Stone (#694)
(roosters strut around like little gods, crow in the morning No they don't I've raised roosters... have you? THEY STRUT... Where do you think the saying "struts like a rooster" came from? Gawd, is there anything you actually KNOW?
To: siagiah
Don't force feed me your views... talk to me so I can hear you...
#699. To: siagiah (#697)
Prove God doesn't exist. You can't because he obviously does. You choose to remain ignorant. The proof is in the Bible, Gods perfect word. Your right your belief that there is no God is not a fact. It's just what you have in common with marx, mao, communist china, soviet union etc. I'm sure you hate the declaration of independance. Since it declared SELF EVIDENT truths. You're such a waste of flesh.
last thoughts... I took NOTICE of your failure to accept OR ADDRESS my challenge to PROVE your statements. I *know* that you cannot and *believe* that you know it too. ha ha ha ha ha ha... but hey, that's an understood from the gitgo... BELIEFS are not FACTS... no matter how many people *BELIEVE* them.
#700. To: siagiah (#698)
Gawd isn't a word moron. Learn to spell. Since you don't believe in God, how can a rooster strut around like God. I'm sure that simple logic will stump your devolved brain.
I've raised roosters... have you? THEY STRUT... Where do you think the saying "struts like a rooster" came from? Gawd, is there anything you actually KNOW?
#701. To: A K A Stone (#700)
You're obviously insane... or more likely, toying with everyone (MY *belief*)... In either case, do have a nice evening... I'm done playing with you for today. I totally expected better bait than you've been able to muster... geez...
Don't force feed me your views... talk to me so I can hear you...
#702. To: A K A Stone (#699)
The existence of God can neither be proved or disproved. The Bible is a book that was written by men over the course of hundreds of years. What is to say they didn't exaggerate and misquote over the years? Ever play telephone operator as a kid? And as long as you want to quote the Declaration of Independence and say that all men are created equal, why do you treat homosexuals as second class citizens? Homosexuality may be a sin, but it is not a crime. Some of your rants on the other hand can be construed as hate-speech, which is a crime.
Prove God doesn't exist. You can't because he obviously does. You choose to remain ignorant. The proof is in the Bible, Gods perfect word. Your right your belief that there is no God is not a fact. It's just what you have in common with marx, mao, communist china, soviet union etc. I'm sure you hate the declaration of independance. Since it declared SELF EVIDENT truths. You're such a waste of flesh.
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#703. To: siagiah (#701)
You've said that four times now. According to you anyone who believes in God is stupid. I feel sorry for you. You're sure going to wake up surprised someday. I'll pray for you.
I'm done playing with you for today
#704. To: A K A Stone (#695)
very good! ;)
You're
#705. To: 82Marine89 (#702)
And as long as you want to quote the Declaration of Independence and say that all men are created equal, why do you treat homosexuals as second class citizens? Homosexuality may be a sin, but it is not a crime. Some of your rants on the other hand can be construed as hate-speech, which is a crime. God said simply looking at the creation is enough proof. All men are CREATED EQUAL. Chosen behaviour is a different matter. You prove yourself once again a statist liberal. You think free speech is a hate crime. Your thinking is very unamerican. Every position you have taken here lately is very liberal.
The existence of God can neither be proved or disproved. The Bible is a book that was written by men over the course of hundreds of years. What is to say they didn't exaggerate and misquote over the years? Ever play telephone operator as a kid?
#706. To: christine (#704)
very good! ;) Well thanks chief. Sometimes I get in a hurry. I rarely proofread my posts. Marine said on a thread that he puts all of his in a word processor to check for spelling and punctuation. That's to much effort for me.
You're
#707. To: A K A Stone (#705)
You think free speech is a hate crime. I believe in responsible speech. Free speech only applies to the Federal government. Your thinking is very unamerican. What does an American think like? Every position you have taken here lately is very liberal. You might want to inform the rest of the forum. They think I'm a neo-con shill.
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#708. To: 82Marine89 (#707)
Neo cons are liberals is disguise.
You might want to inform the rest of the forum. They think I'm a neo-con shill.
#709. To: 82Marine89 (#707)
They support their constitution. Free speech in this case.
What does an American think like?
#710. To: 82Marine89 (#707)
Actually free speech is binding on the states too. It is in every state constitution, but you didn't know that did you. Besides its my mouth (fingers), and I'll say what I want and type what I want. At least as long as the owners of this forum still choose to associate with me.
I believe in responsible speech. Free speech only applies to the Federal government.
#711. To: A K A Stone (#708)
Really?
Neo cons are liberals is disguise.
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#712. To: A K A Stone (#709)
Supporting the Constitution is not a thought process. I asked what does an American think like?
They support their constitution. Free speech in this case.
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#713. To: A K A Stone (#710)
Then be prepared for criticism. Accept it or debate it, but don't call people names. It is the first sign that you have lost an argument.
Besides its my mouth (fingers), and I'll say what I want and type what I want.
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#714. To: 82Marine89 (#711)
Really? You do post articles from ultra left wing liberal Lieberman. He is a supporter of the WOT correct. Condi Rice was a democrat right. Bush is for open borders just like the liberals right. Bush didn't cut the department of education now did he, he expanded it. Bush hasn't done shit about abortion now has he. I can't think of a single conservative issue Bush has supported.
Neo cons are liberals is disguise.
#715. To: 82Marine89 (#713)
I have no problem with people criticizing me, or making fun of me. It's their right to think how they want. It's my right to try to convince them with words that I am correct. If you look back on this thread you will not find a single instance when I called someone a name first. It was always in retaliation. You always call people names, does that mean you lost every argument. Also I acted in good faith and answered your posts 11 and 12 above somewhere. You haven't responded in kind and answered if Bush is a liar. Is that to tough of a question for you?
Then be prepared for criticism. Accept it or debate it, but don't call people names. It is the first sign that you have lost an argument.
#716. To: A K A Stone (#714)
And he shouldn't. A women has a right to do what she wants to her body and you have no right to tell her otherwise.
Bush hasn't done shit about abortion now has he.
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#717. To: A K A Stone (#715)
You never answered #11.
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#718. To: 82Marine89 (#716)
You are no conservative. You probably hated Reagan. You support Clinton and Clintons view on abortion. Once again you prove yourself very liberal. Show me where a woman has a right to murder. Do I also have a right to murder. You sure support a lot of murderers.
And he shouldn't. A women has a right to do what she wants to her body and you have no right to tell her otherwise.
#719. To: 82Marine89 (#717)
Yes I did. Now answer the question if Bush is a liar. Why are you dodging such a simple question. Are you a coward of a simple question. Were you really a marine? I'm starting to doubt it.
#720. To: All (#718)
So Bush lied to America on this question to get elected.
And he shouldn't. A women has a right to do what she wants to her body and you have no right to tell her otherwise.
#721. To: A K A Stone (#718)
You are no conservative. You probably hated Reagan. You might want to switch to PowerBait. You support Clinton and Clintons view on abortion. Once again you prove yourself very liberal. Actually, the only reason I feel Roe v. Wade should be repealed, is because it's a states rights issue, not a federal issue. Show me where a woman has a right to murder. Do I also have a right to murder. You sure support a lot of murderers. Having an abortion and committing murder are two different things. At least according to our judicial system.
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#722. To: 82Marine89 (#721)
Killing a human being is killing a human being....murder. You are correct however that our judicial system is fucked up.
Having an abortion and committing murder are two different things. At least according to our judicial system.
#723. To: 82Marine89 (#721)
States don't have rights, people do.
states rights issue,
#724. To: A K A Stone (#722)
You're correct, but aborting a fetus isn't.
Killing a human being is killing a human being....murder.
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#725. To: A K A Stone (#723)
Now you're just playing a game of semantics.
States don't have rights, people do.
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#726. To: 82Marine89 (#724)
What is a fetus?
You're correct, but aborting a fetus isn't.
#727. To: 82Marine89 (#725)
No actually im pointing out a simple fact. People created the state(s). How can a state have a right. I stand by my statement.
Now you're just playing a game of semantics.
#728. To: A K A Stone (#726)
Don't you know?
What is a fetus?
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#729. To: 82Marine89 (#728)
Don't you know? Your the idiot who said a fetus isn't human being. A fetus is a word liberals use to try to cover up a murder.
What is a fetus?
#730. To: A K A Stone (#729)
Your the idiot who said a fetus isn't human being. Calm down Brian. All I said was, "Don't you know?" "A fetus is a word liberals use to try to cover up a murder." Actually, it's a word in the dictionary. A word with meaning. Main Entry: fe·tus Variant: or chiefly British foe·tus /'fEt-&s/ Function: noun Inflected Form: plural fe·tus·es or chiefly British foe·tus·es or foe·ti /'fEt- "I/ : an unborn or unhatched vertebrate especially after attaining the basic structural plan of its kind; specifically : a developing human from usually three months after conception to birth —compare EMBRYO Source: Merriam-Webster's Medical Dictionary, © 2002 Merriam-Webster, Inc.
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#731. To: A K A Stone (#729)
Answer me this. What gives you the right to tell a woman what to do with her body? Shouldn't you be praying for her?
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#732. To: A K A Stone, 82Marine89 (#718)
Barry Goldwater supported abortion and he was the very definition of Conservative.
You are no conservative.
#733. To: mirage (#732)
Thank you.
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#734. To: 82Marine89 (#733)
You are most welcome!
Thank you.
#735. To: A K A Stone, Zipporah (#679)
Here are a few for you to chew on. If you would like, I can produce more. Mark 1:2 (RSV) "As it is written in Isaiah the prophet, 'Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, who shall prepare thy way' Mark 9:13 "But I say unto you, that Elias is indeed come, and they have done unto him whatsoever they listed, as it is written of him." Luke 13:4 "Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them..." John 5:46 "For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me." John 7:38 "He that believeth on me, as the scripture has said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water." John 20:9 "For as yet they knew not the scripture, that he must rise again from the dead." Acts 20:35 "...ye ought to support the weak, and to remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he said, It is more blessed to give than to receive." 1 Tim 1:18 "This charge I commit unto thee, son Timothy, according to the prophecies which went before on thee..." Matt 27:5-10 "And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed and went and hanged himself. And the chief priests took the silver pieces and said, It is not lawful for to put them into the treasury, because it is the price of blood. And they took counsel, and bought with them the potter's field, to bury strangers in. Wherefore that field was called, The field of blood, unto this day. Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremy [Jeremiah] the prophet, saying, And they took the thirty pieces of silver, the price of him that was valued, whom they of the children of Israel did value; And gave them the potter's field, as the Lord appointed me." Eccles 9:5 "For the living know that they shall die; but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward: for the memory of them is forgotten." 2 Kings 8:26 (Ahaziah was 22) vs 2 Chron 22:2 (He was 42) Matt 11:15 (John the Baptist is Elijah) vs John 1:21 (John the Baptist says he is not Elijah) Rom 3:23 "For all have sinned and come short" vs Gen 6:9 "Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations" Gal 4:25 "For this Agar is Mt. Sinai in Arabia..." 2 Chron 21:20 and 22:1-2 make Jehoram's son Ahaziah two years older than he is. Matt 27:38 conflicts with Roman and Jewish Law. Theft did not warrant the death penalty and it was not administered to them under either Roman or Jewish law. Acts 3:21 "...which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began." Matt 8:32 conflicts with Jewish law as the keeping of swine was prohibited in ancient Judea just as it is today in modern Israel. 1 Thess 5:21 "Prove all things; hold fast to that which is good." John 3:13 "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven." Mark 8:35 "For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel's, the same shall save it." Matt 13:31-32 says that the Mustard Seed is the smallest of all seeds, yet orchid seeds are smaller. What was on the sign tacked to the Cross? All four Gospels give a different account. Gen 6:3 "And the Lord said, My spirit shall not abide in man for ever for he is flesh." Job 14:4 "Who can bring a clean thing out of an unclean? Not one." Psalms 146:3 "Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help." John 14:12 "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also, and greater works than these shall he do...." Matt 10:23 "...for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come." Matt 16:28 "Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom." Mark 9:1 "And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power." Mark 13:30 "Verily, I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done." Luke 9:27 "But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God." Luke 23:43 "And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise." Matt 27:63 "Saying, Sir, we remember that the deceiver said, while he was yet alive, After three days I will rise again" Mark 10:30 "But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, brethren, and sisters, and mothers..." Matt 5:22 "...whosoever shall say Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire." Matt 10:5-6 "...Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel." Luke 16:17 "And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail" Matt 10:34 "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword." John 10:16 "And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold and one shepherd." John 7:52 "...search and you will see that no prophet is to rise from Galilee." Jer 22:28-30 "Is this man Coniah a despised broken idol? is he a vessel wherein is no pleasure? wherefore are they cast out, he and his seed, and are cast into a land where they know not? O earth, earth, earth, hear the word of the Lord. Thus saith the Lord, Write ye this man childless, a man that shall not prosper in his days: for no man of his seed shall prosper, sitting upon the throne of David, and ruling any more in Judah." If you'd like more problems to solve, I can give you many many more.
I'm still waiting. I don't think you can produce.
There is no such statement in Isaiah.
There are no prophecies in the Old Testament of things that were to happen to Elias or Elijah.
There is nothing in the Old Testament about a tower in Siloam falling on anyone.
Moses never referred to Jesus in any recognizable way.
This statement is not in the Old Testament.
There is no Old Testament statement to this effect. "Again" means rising twice.
This is found nowhere in the New Testament. Matt 10:8 is inapplicable because it does not reference a blessing.
There are no Old Testament prophecies that refer to Timothy.
This statement does not exist in the Book of Jeremiah.
The Old Testament says there is no such thing as an afterlife.
How can a perfect man have sinned?
Mount Sinai is not in Arabia. It is on the Sinai Peninsula, which is part of Egypt.
There were no prophets when the world began.
Who can prove the existance of God? The Bible places the burden of proof on the Bible believer if one takes this statement to be true.
Conflicts with 2 Kings 2:11, Heb 11:5, 2 Cor 12:2-3 and Gen 5:24 - apparantly Elijah and Enoch and an unknown person went up to heaven from earth without coming down first.
This is impossible since the Gospel didn't exist until AFTER the Crucifixion.
Since God states he will never abide in flesh, how could Jesus be God?
Job 15:14 "What is man, that he can be clean? Or he that is born of a woman, that he can be righteous?"
Job 25:4 "...how can he be clean that is born of a woman?"
How could Mary have given birth to Jesus unless the Catholics are correct about Mary?
Didn't Jesus call himself the "son of man" ?
Who has done greater works than Jesus?
When was the Second Coming?
When was the Second Coming?
When did the Kingdom of God come with power?
The generation passed and we are still waiting.
The apostles all died, but the kingdom is yet to come.
How could Jesus have been in Heaven with the Thief if he was to spend three days in the grave?
This would negate Matt 12:40 which says "For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the earth."
See also Mark 8:31
The problem here is that Jesus died and was buried on Friday. He rose sometime on Saturday night or Sunday morning. "After three days" means he should have arisen after three full days passed rather than on the third day. He was in the grave barely a day and a half.
What believer has suddenly received a hundred houses, sisters, mothers....?
Gal 3:1 "O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you...."
Paul must be roasting currently.
Acts 13:47 "For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth."
Were the Apostles to go to the Gentiles or not? We have a conflict here.
Rom 3:28 "Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law."
Is the Old Law required or not? The Bible says "yes" to both answers.
1 Cor 14:33 "For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace..."
Which is it?
With over 15,000 different Protestant denominations, there is not "one fold and one shepherd"
John 1:45-46 "...We have found him of whom Moses in the law and also the prophets wrote, Jesus of Nazareth ... Nathaniel said to him, "Can anything good come out of Nazareth?"
Matt 21:11 "And the multitude said, This is Jesus the prophet..."
Matt 22:11 "And the multitude said, This is Jesus ... of ... Galilee."
Can someone tell me why a prophet is said to not arise, yet one arises?
Luke 1:32 "He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:"
1 Chron 3:16 "And the sons of Jehoiakim: Jechonias (Coniah) is the son of Jehoiakim:
Jer 36:30 "Therefore thus saith the Lord of Jehoiakim king of Judah: He shall have none to sit upon the throne of David."
Check Jesus' lineage. He is disqualified by the Old Testament from sitting on the throne of David.
#736. To: A K A Stone (#663)
Since me wrote the bible their God is male,you will find in religions created by women their God is female ...Check it out ,you'll see that I'm right.I'm waiting for someone Gay to start a religion. LOL
I invite you to consider the wicked lives of some of these moral degenerates—men like Lenin, Mussolini, Hitler, Marx, Jim Jones, Alfred Kinsey, Michael Jackson, Jacques DeMolay, George W Bush, Jim Bakker, Jimmy Swaggart Dick Chrney and his Lesbian wife.
The former head of the National Security Agency, Retired Lt. General William Odom, said, "The invasion of Iraq, I believe, will turn out to be the greatest strategic disaster in U.S. history."
#737. To: Steppenwolf (#736)
That is not the King James version. Compromised Bible. So I will throw that one away.
Mark 1:2 (RSV) "As it is written in Isaiah the prophet, 'Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, who shall prepare thy way' There is no such statement in Isaiah.
Kill Kill Kill say the brainwashed marines
#738. To: A K A Stone (#737)
Coward!
That is not the King James version. Compromised Bible. So I will throw that one away.
#739. To: mirage (#732)
Barry Goldwater said that government should not limit abortions. Barry Goldwater also said that all the child protection agencies the states have that investigate child abuse should also be abandoned. Basically parents should be unregulated both before and after birth. pro-choice on abortion and on child abuse too.
Barry Goldwater supported abortion and he was the very definition of Conservative.
#740. To: A K A Stone (#737)
Do you think those that use non King James Versions of the bible are going to hell?
That is not the King James version. Compromised Bible. So I will throw that one away.
And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush
#741. To: Red Jones (#739)
Err....that's not how I read Goldwater. All I've seen is that Barry indicated he didn't think it was his place to dictate on abortion. I do think Roe v Wade is bad law as it *should* be a State issue. As for anything else, I personally don't like the idea, so therefore I won't have one. That's the limit I put on this touchy subject.
Basically parents should be unregulated both before and after birth. pro-choice on abortion and on child abuse too.
#742. To: Dakmar (#740)
Not at all. I just find contradictions in Bibles such as NIV. The King James Version is without error. First English version of Bible you know.
Do you think those that use non King James Versions of the bible are going to hell?
Kill Kill Kill say the brainwashed marines
#743. To: mirage (#738)
How is that a coward? I just pointed out a fact. I will answer the other questions when I have more time. I've read through them and will respond soon.
Kill Kill Kill say the brainwashed marines
#744. To: A K A Stone (#743)
I'll have another batch of problems for you later on tonite. Do keep in mind that writing a problem off to "scribal error" is an admission of error and therefore the error stands and the Doctrine of Inerrancy is false.
I will answer the other questions when I have more time. I've read through them and will respond soon.
#745. To: mirage (#744)
Keep in mind I said the word of God is infallable. Not mans politically correct versions. REMEMBER THAT OK.
Do keep in mind that writing a problem off to "scribal error" is an admission of error and therefore the error stands and the Doctrine of Inerrancy is false.
Kill Kill Kill say the brainwashed marines
#746. To: A K A Stone (#745)
Then - kindly define your terms, please, so I can understand where you are coming from. What exactly do you mean when you say "The Word of God" ?
Keep in mind I said the word of God is infallable. Not mans politically correct versions. REMEMBER THAT OK.
#747. To: mirage (#746)
I will defend the King James version. I trust that one. I will probably not answer every one of your questions if you just cut and paste some big list. I'm not your sucker.
Jesus is the ONLY way to Heaven!!!
#748. To: A K A Stone (#747)
Believe it or not, I am not just "cutting and pasting" - everything I am doing I am typing up by hand from my own research. That's why it takes me a while to collect, process, and post. I have to go sifting through paper and physical notes. I'm only selecting the "really good" ones for you. Otherwise, you'd wind up with thousands upon thousands of errors to deal with. There is quite a bit of editing that I am going through here so that I don't just throw softballs at you. This is the tough stuff, the hard to defend stuff, the things debated in Seminaries, and the absolutely unanswerable and undefendable problems. There are hundreds and hundreds of mathematical, historical, quotational, and other errors plaguing the KJV. My point is simple: These errors exist and they cannot be defended without allowing the possibility of error in the text. I believe I can prove that easily. Most of these errors are not easily 'explained away' without resorting to the old saw "scribal error" - which is, in itself, an admission of error in the text. That is my only point: The text has problems that are not easily "explained" - many apologetics rely on smoke, mirrors, and BS to do that. I am happy to analyze any apologetic response and point out the errors and/or logical fallacies in it if presented one. The street runs both ways, you know :-)
I will probably not answer every one of your questions if you just cut and paste some big list. I'm not your sucker.
#749. To: Dakmar (#740)
it is the thread that never ends..... it just goes on and on my friends.....
#750. To: mirage (#735)
Elias is Greek for Elijah. Acutally Elias/Elijah are mentioned in prophecy from the Old testament. From Malachi Chapter 5. That debunks your point. I'll get to some more later. Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments. 5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:
Mark 9:13 "But I say unto you, that Elias is indeed come, and they have done unto him whatsoever they listed, as it is written of him." There are no prophecies in the Old Testament of things that were to happen to Elias or Elijah
Jesus is the ONLY way to Heaven!!!
#751. To: A K A Stone (#750)
Read my comment again: "There are no prophecies in the OT of things that were to happen to Elias or Elijah" Mark 9:13 says "But I say unto you that Elias is indeed come, and they have done unto him whatoever they listed, as it is written of him." What things happenned to him? What did people do to him that was prophecied? This has not been debunked. The escape hatch of "He will arrive" does not meet the problem of the non-prophecy of things happenning to him. Malachi simply says that he will arrive *for Judgment Day* - which is what I understand "Day of the LORD" to mean. As we know, Judgment Day has yet to occur....another false statement? Perhaps. What say you? Is my analysis flawed here?
#752. To: mirage (#751)
Judgement day hasn't come yet. So that was a prophecy of something to come in the future. I will look at your other points later and address them as time permits. Thanks.
That thy beloved may be delivered; save with thy right hand, and hear me.
#753. To: A K A Stone (#752)
How could it be a prophecy of something to come in the future if Elias came nearly 2000 years ago according to Mark? Its a conundrum, isn't it? How can Elias be prophecied to come for Judgment Day in the OT, yet Mark says he has already come .... ? I'll save the second batch of problems including the infamous "pi" problem for some time in the future. I get the feeling this batch will tie you up in knots for a while.
So that was a prophecy of something to come in the future.
#754. To: mirage (#753)
Its a conundrum, isn't it? How can Elias be prophecied to come for Judgment Day in the OT, yet Mark says he has already come .... ? I'll save the second batch of problems including the infamous "pi" problem for some time in the future. I get the feeling this batch will tie you up in knots for a while. He is coming back. duh
How could it be a prophecy of something to come in the future if Elias came nearly 2000 years ago according to Mark?
That thy beloved may be delivered; save with thy right hand, and hear me.
#755. To: A K A Stone (#754)
Where does it say Elijah comes *twice* ?? The *one* time was for the Judgment, right? I'm confused now. Where did the second coming of Elijah come from? That's not in Scripture!
He is coming back. duh
#756. To: mirage (#755)
The *one* time was for the Judgment, right? I'm confused now. Where did the second coming of Elijah come from? That's not in Scripture! Go back and read your bible. Elijah never died.
Where does it say Elijah comes *twice* ??
That thy beloved may be delivered; save with thy right hand, and hear me.
#757. To: mirage (#755)
Yes it is. In Malachi where I quoted from. Also in Revelation. If you are going to be making stuff up I'm not going to answer your questions.
The *one* time was for the Judgment, right? I'm confused now. Where did the second coming of Elijah come from? That's not in Scripture!
That thy beloved may be delivered; save with thy right hand, and hear me.
#758. To: mirage (#735)
Uh wrong again. (Deuteronomy 18:15,18-19).
John 5:46 "For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me." Moses never referred to Jesus in any recognizable way.
That thy beloved may be delivered; save with thy right hand, and hear me.
#759. To: A K A Stone, Dude Lebowski (#758)
the longest thread on 4 so far: Who is your favorite TOS bot? posted by Dude
#760. To: mirage (#735)
Mark 1:2 is one sentence from this quote: 2 As it is written in Isaiah the prophet: "BEHOLD, I SEND MY MESSENGER AHEAD OF YOU, WHO WILL PREPARE YOUR WAY; 3 THE VOICE OF ONE CRYING IN THE WILDERNESS, `MAKE READY THE WAY OF THE LORD, MAKE HIS PATHS STRAIGHT.' " Which is from Isaiah 40:3 A voice of one crying out: Prepare the way of the Lord in the wilderness; make a straight highway for our God in the desert. Mark 9:13 See Malachi 4:5 Look, I am going to send you Elijah the prophet before the great and awesome Day of the Lord comes. Luke 13:4 Because these people rejected the slowly flowing waters of Shiloah and rejoiced with Rezin and the son of Remaliah, Just because it wasn't called the same name doesnt mean the reference wasnt to the same place.. "SW corner of Jerusalem in the Kidron valley, mentioned in the Bible. A nearby 1,700-foot-long (518 m) tunnel, dating from the time of Hezekiah, diverted water underneath Jerusalem to the pool inside the city wall; it deprived the invading Assyrians of water during their siege of Jeruslaem. An inscription discovered in 1880 describes the cutting of the tunnel. It appears as Shiloah in Isaiah, and as Shelah in Nehemiah. Jesus directed the healed blind man to go and wash in the pool." John 5:46 Are you trying to say that because Moses didnt use Jesus by name he never referred to a coming savior...messiah? John 7:38 38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, from within him shall flow rivers of living water. See Zec 14: 8 And in that day it shall be That living waters shall flow from Jerusalem... Now no doubt you will say that because it says Jerusalem vs HIM this is incorrect.. but much of the OT did prophesize a Messiah but they referred to the concept.. not to Jesus by name. John 20:9 For as yet they knew not the scripture, that he must rise from the dead. <-- I dont get your point on this one it makes no sense. Acts 20:35 I have shown you in every way, by laboring like this, that you must support the weak. And remember the words of the Lord Jesus, that He said, 'It is more blessed to give than to receive.' " This is not referenced in the Gospels, possibly something that was said to only Paul.. of course can't be proven one way or another.. And also perhaps although the Gospels recorded the words of Jesus over his ministry, there was no way that every word that was uttered from his mouth was recorded in 3 books ? Other than that .. I have no answer for this one. Acts 3:21 whom heaven must receive until the period of restoration of all things about which God spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets from ancient time. Matt 8:32 And Jesus stood still, and called them, and said, What will ye that I should do unto you? < -- Not the verse I think you meant to post? 1 Thess 5:21 "21 prove all things; hold fast that which is good; 22 abstain from every form of evil." Who can prove the existance of God? The Bible places the burden of proof on the Bible believer if one takes this statement to be true. < --- this scripture doesnt have to do with proving God's existence but rather testing things against scripture just as those today aren't doing when certain preachers preach anti bibilical sermons. Now enough of this for now..
There were no prophets when the world began.< --- On this I beg to differ... the prophesies began in Genesis w/ Adam and Eve.
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#761. To: Zipporah (#760)
2 As it is written in Isaiah the prophet: "BEHOLD, I SEND MY MESSENGER AHEAD OF YOU, WHO WILL PREPARE YOUR WAY; 3 THE VOICE OF ONE CRYING IN THE WILDERNESS, `MAKE READY THE WAY OF THE LORD, MAKE HIS PATHS STRAIGHT.' " Which is from Isaiah 40:3 A voice of one crying out: Prepare the way of the Lord in the wilderness; make a straight highway for our God in the desert. Mark 9:13 See Malachi 4:5 Look, I am going to send you Elijah the prophet before the great and awesome Day of the Lord comes. Luke 13:4 Because these people rejected the slowly flowing waters of Shiloah and rejoiced with Rezin and the son of Remaliah, Just because it wasn't called the same name doesnt mean the reference wasnt to the same place.. "SW corner of Jerusalem in the Kidron valley, mentioned in the Bible. A nearby 1,700-foot-long (518 m) tunnel, dating from the time of Hezekiah, diverted water underneath Jerusalem to the pool inside the city wall; it deprived the invading Assyrians of water during their siege of Jeruslaem. An inscription discovered in 1880 describes the cutting of the tunnel. It appears as Shiloah in Isaiah, and as Shelah in Nehemiah. Jesus directed the healed blind man to go and wash in the pool." John 5:46 Are you trying to say that because Moses didnt use Jesus by name he never referred to a coming savior...messiah? John 7:38 38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, from within him shall flow rivers of living water. See Zec 14: 8 And in that day it shall be That living waters shall flow from Jerusalem... Now no doubt you will say that because it says Jerusalem vs HIM this is incorrect.. but much of the OT did prophesize a Messiah but they referred to the concept.. not to Jesus by name. John 20:9 For as yet they knew not the scripture, that he must rise from the dead. <-- I dont get your point on this one it makes no sense. Acts 20:35 I have shown you in every way, by laboring like this, that you must support the weak. And remember the words of the Lord Jesus, that He said, 'It is more blessed to give than to receive.' " This is not referenced in the Gospels, possibly something that was said to only Paul.. of course can't be proven one way or another.. And also perhaps although the Gospels recorded the words of Jesus over his ministry, there was no way that every word that was uttered from his mouth was recorded in 3 books ? Other than that .. I have no answer for this one. Acts 3:21 whom heaven must receive until the period of restoration of all things about which God spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets from ancient time. There were no prophets when the world began.< --- On this I beg to differ... the prophesies began in Genesis w/ Adam and Eve. Matt 8:32 And Jesus stood still, and called them, and said, What will ye that I should do unto you? < -- Not the verse I think you meant to post? 1 Thess 5:21 "21 prove all things; hold fast that which is good; 22 abstain from every form of evil." Who can prove the existance of God? The Bible places the burden of proof on the Bible believer if one takes this statement to be true. < --- this scripture doesnt have to do with proving God's existence but rather testing things against scripture just as those today aren't doing when certain preachers preach anti bibilical sermons. Now enough of this for now.. That's a lot of work you put into that. Good job.
Mark 1:2 is one sentence from this quote:
That thy beloved may be delivered; save with thy right hand, and hear me.
#762. To: A K A Stone (#761)
Well that's not near all of them but it wouldve taken all night I'll address the rest another time
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#763. To: Zipporah (#762)
As soon as that batch is complete, im sure another batch will be posted. Good night.
Well that's not near all of them but it wouldve taken all night I'll address the rest another time
That thy beloved may be delivered; save with thy right hand, and hear me.
#764. To: A K A Stone (#756)
I never said he died. Where do you get that from? Elijah was taken up to heaven *to be sent down* for Judgment Day, right?
Go back and read your bible. Elijah never died.
#765. To: All (#764)
Have any of you ever read the bible and interpreted it as a PERSONAL JOURNEY THROUGH LIFE rather than taking everything so freakin' literally as if each and every prophecy would happen simultaneously to everyone? (second coming of Christ... maybe it's not what you EXPECT at all? Maybe it's a personal experience rather than a worldwide one?) Ever think outside of the box for yourself without asking OTHER people to tell you what something means? I mean, the bible DOES tell the story of a single person's LIFE from birth through death told through parables and prophesies... An example: Revelations quite aptly describes the death of a single (wo)man... Genesis describes the cycle of birth... It's an incredible compilation of words but unless you dare to break away from the forcefed views, you simply won't see that side of it. Do this and THEN read the same chapter every day for a week from the day's new & different perspective and you'll come away amazed at how different it reads today from yesterday. It fits what's happening TO YOU at any given time. Yet what has changed? The words? NO... only you have. Just a thought tossed out for your consideration...
Don't force feed me your views... talk to me so I can hear you...
#766. To: siagiah (#765)
But where's the fun in that for my inner lawyer?
Have any of you ever read the bible and interpreted it as a PERSONAL JOURNEY THROUGH LIFE rather than taking everything so freakin' literally as if each and every prophecy would happen simultaneously to everyone?
The craft was manned by a crew that had been frozen to death. The heating equipment of the ship had been destroyed and the unimaginable cold of outer space had done the rest. The result was instant death for the men who were the last of the Trigans, all that were left of a once-mighty civilization, pride of the planet Elekton.
#767. To: Zipporah (#760)
Close :) John 5:46 Are you trying to say that because Moses didnt use Jesus by name he never referred to a coming savior...messiah? Acts 20:35 I have shown you in every way, by laboring like this, that you must support the weak. And remember the words of the Lord Jesus, that He said, 'It is more blessed to give than to receive.' " Acts 3:21 whom heaven must receive until the period of restoration of all things about which God spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets from ancient time. There were no prophets when the world began.< --- On this I beg to differ... the prophesies began in Genesis w/ Adam and Eve. See Malachi 4:5 Look, I am going to send you Elijah the prophet before the great and awesome Day of the Lord comes. All I've said is that these are "problems" and that there are lot of mathematical, dating, and non-quote parts of the Bible. These are just some. The Isaiah one is a misquote at best, a non-quote at worst. The NT is full of "As is written..." and there is nowhere one can find it. There are a lot of paraphrases and misquotes as well. The Jeremiah one is a non-quote. A "close" phrase can be found in Zecariah, but it still leaves the error intact. Probably the most famous error is a mathematical one in 1 Kings 7:23 and 2 Chron 4:2 which says: A circle cannot be 10 cubits in diameter and 30 cubits in circumference. Since the circumference of a circle is the diameter times pi (which can be approximated as 22/7 or 3.14) the circumference of the "molten sea" must be 31.4 cubits. This is pure mathematical error and is a well known problem with the OT.
Now enough of this for now..
In the First Century, the coming Messiah was expected to be a military or political leader to bring about the Kingdom on earth.
The point is simply that there is no other reference to it, that's all.
The world began before Adam and Eve. There were no prophets at the beginning of things, only after Adam and Eve. Its a chronological problem.
This is a miss because it does not say that people would do things to Elijah as the NT states in Mark 9:13 which says "But I say unto you, That Elias is indeed come, and they have done unto him whatoever they listed, as it is written of him." He made a molten sea, ten cubits from the one brim to the other: it was round all about, and its height was five cubits: and a line of thirty cubits in circumference.
#768. To: Tauzero (#766)
tee hee... hell, farm him out to those in need of a good bible attorney... there's plenty of folks your inner lawyer can toy with even while you stay above the battle...
But where's the fun in that for my inner lawyer?
Don't force feed me your views... talk to me so I can hear you...
#769. To: siagiah (#765)
That's the point I'm trying to make. Its a book filled with *religious truth* and has real errors if one tries to take it literally. It should be used as a guide to learn from and also to be inspired by. That's about all it can be used for. If one thinks it is inerrant, it can be absolutely shredded due to the multiple errors it contains. I've said that many many many times and stand by it. Besides, if one were to take it literally, one would have to advocate for slavery. I doubt anyone in this day and age would be willing to do that.
Have any of you ever read the bible and interpreted it as a PERSONAL JOURNEY THROUGH LIFE rather than taking everything so freakin' literally as if each and every prophecy would happen simultaneously to everyone?
#770. To: mirage (#767)
"In the First Century, the coming Messiah was expected to be a military or political leader to bring about the Kingdom on earth." .. what does this have to do with this passage? nothing. As far as a chronological problem.. as I said the prophesies began in Genesis.. Abraham prophesized, those that did weren't 'official' prophets I suppose they needed to have some initiation process? Interesting how you jumped to passages I didnt even address as yet.. I wonder if you are looking for exact quotes to prove your point or do references to concepts not count in your mind?
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#771. To: mirage (#769)
you know what mirage - you don't know what you're talking about. you've got a lot of opinions about the bible. but I don't trust a word you say. you are an obstinate naysayer.
#772. To: Zipporah (#770)
Naw, check the time on it. I was out all night getting my mom ready for snowfall, got home, and didn't want to be up all night :-) Figured I'd say "don't waste your time" on some of it and just gave the answer up. The quote from KJV on prophets is that they were there from the beginning of the world, which is inaccurate. It doesn't matter if it started in Genesis 'somewhere'. It says "beginning of the world" which means before people, period. Later translations (I used KJV) like RSV or NIV are more nebulous in timing. I guess it is for that specific reason. As I've said, these are *problems* with the book. The math stuff is simply inexplicable. Most of this comes from research I did for a paper when finishing college. Jesuit universities tend to have some interesting curriculum and the errors come from research from a paper entitled "What I'd tell God about the Bible" - I said it was error prone, problematic, and difficult to deal with, and it is. References to concepts don't count. If it says "foo, bar, baz, AS IT IS WRITTEN" then it had better be there or its a misquote or nonquote. The statement says it is written somewhere; you should be able to cross-check and find it, not have to go searching for a 'concept'.
Interesting how you jumped to passages I didnt even address as yet.. I wonder if you are looking for exact quotes to prove your point or do references to concepts not count in your mind?
#773. To: Red Jones (#771)
No, I'm an obstinate researcher. If you want to take the math problem on, feel free. Pi != 3.0 and nothing can change that.
you are an obstinate naysayer.
#774. To: mirage (#772)
On this I disagree..
References to concepts don't count. If it says "foo, bar, baz, AS IT IS WRITTEN" then it had better be there or its a misquote or nonquote. The statement says it is written somewhere; you should be able to cross-check and find it, not have to go searching for a 'concept'.
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#775. To: mirage (#773)
Additionally, if you are an 'obstinate' researcher as you say, then you know that the KJV is a poor translation..
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#776. To: Zipporah (#775)
Absolutely I do, but, unfortunately, people who wish to claim "absolute inerrancy" claim that KJV is "absolutely inerrant." If you're going to build a list of errors, why not start with the most common and error-prone translation out there?
Additionally, if you are an 'obstinate' researcher as you say, then you know that the KJV is a poor translation..
#777. To: mirage (#776)
If you're going to build a list of errors, why not start with the most common and error-prone translation out there? IMO that's not being honest..
Absolutely I do, but, unfortunately, people who wish to claim "absolute inerrancy" claim that KJV is "absolutely inerrant."
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#778. To: Zipporah (#777)
I have to disagree. The dishonesty is in trying to say "it doesn't say what it says" when it plainly does or deny an error where it exists. That's the business of apologetics, both political and religious. Some honest apologists will say "This can't be resolved" but other dishonest ones will continue with the "It doesn't say what it says, but says X instead" which is completely dishonest. An honest person would say "The text is in error" or "the translation has an error" as opposed to trying to defend something that cannot be defended, but that doesn't ever seem to happen.
IMO that's not being honest..
#779. To: mirage (#778)
Well I will say that the KJV is a poor translation.. I never refer to the KJV because of it.. if you are truthfully trying to seek the truth and/or errors then why not refer to a better translation rather than to use the KJV as a 'gotcha'?
An honest person would say "The text is in error" or "the translation has an error" as opposed to trying to defend something that cannot be defended, but that doesn't ever seem to happen.
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#780. To: Zipporah (#779)
I do often. However, a lot of people insist on KJV, like Stone. What do you do with them when they won't acknowledge that it has problems and also won't even consider anything else? Well, you have to give them what they're willing to look at, right? The gotcha with that is not mine, it is theirs. Typically, I use a copy of the Layman's Parallel Bible, which has four translations on each page. I can scan all four at the same time. Other times, I'll use an old RSV that I've gotten to like.
if you are truthfully trying to seek the truth and/or errors then why not refer to a better translation rather than to use the KJV as a 'gotcha'?
#781. To: mirage (#780)
yes I have a parallel bible and an interlinear. I use the New American Standard.. Im not sure why people think the KJV is the ONLY translation that's correct.. once I asked one of these people..when she told me that the KJV is the only correct bible.. I asked her what about the Japanese? And her answer? They use the Japanese King James Version LOL!
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#782. To: Zipporah (#781)
Its a Baptist thing for the most part. They've concluded that there was divine intervention when doing the translation and that the 1611 KJV is the only "divinely authorized" version out there and it is one of their doctrines. Don't try to talk sense into them; they won't listen and all they will do is gripe and bitch at you and call you names if you don't agree with them. Hence, my usual statement when I run into such hide-bound folk, "These so-called Christians aren't very Christian." Anyhow, the real problem is their "Doctrine of Inerrancy" - since they figure God himself wrote the book, and, in the case of Baptists, sat down and guided the hands creating the 1611 KJV, it must be perfect in every way and is frozen until the end of time. The major problem with that is that the book is not inerrant, regardless of what spin, smoke, mirrors, and BS the apologists try. The real deal is that they fear that if an admission of error gets out without being stomped into submission, that everything will be lost if their Bible is shown to have but one error in it. After all, a flawed work cannot be the product of a perfect being. That is really what is going on and you'll actually get apologists and SBC people to admit to that if you talk to them outside of their "business" environment. Occasionally, an apologist will confess to this in an interview as well, but those admissions are few and far between.
Im not sure why people think the KJV is the ONLY translation that's correct.
#783. To: mirage (#782)
It seems it's no longer theology but an ideology.
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#784. To: Zipporah (#783)
Exactly. One of the things I've been researching is why people do this and why they cling to such doctrines. I've also been trying to figure out why the over-violent reactions. I have more than enough data to draw conclusions with. This is a similar problem to what was wrong with the Catholic Church and brought on the Reformation and Counter-Reformation. The reformers have become what they beheld and are content that they have done right. It is sad, but true.
It seems it's no longer theology but an ideology.
#785. To: mirage, All (#784)
I posted this in reply to BAclinger and recieved no reply. Not a "KOOK" or a "ROTFLOL". http:// libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=118893&Disp=20#C20
Exactly. One of the things I've been researching is why people do this and why they cling to......
The mind once expanded by a new idea never returns to its' original size
#786. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#785)
Cute picture :-) Ah, isn't it fun....
I posted this in reply to BAclinger and recieved no reply. Not a "KOOK" or a "ROTFLOL".
#787. To: mirage (#773)
all you do is make complaints. and when someone tries to understand your complaint they realize your interpretations are whacko #1, you're extremely narrow. Nobody can have a conversation with you about it. because you boast about your 'research', and then when you speak nothing but confusion and doubt eschews from your mouth. If you want to have doubt, then that's your business. but you feel anyone who doesn't share your doubt and hostility is automatically wrong. You really believe that the bible says slavery is good? you really believe the old testament did not foretell jesus coming? because these are the great points you've made based on your research so far. you're an idiot. you're very long on threat, very long on accusation, very short on clear explanations and reason. and in the end all you can do is speak doubt. you are a naysayer.
I'm an obstinate researcher
#788. To: Zipporah (#783)
What originally prompted research into "why the fundamentalism and why the violent responses" - A friend of mine has four kids and his wife, at age 30, had two strokes which blew out the "switchbox" in the back of her head. She has no sense of urgency on anything and barely has a stimulus-response reaction. There are two "black" sections of her brain the size of softballs now which are simply dead. As a result, he couldn't handle taking care of his ailing wife and the four kids. So he found himself an extraordinarily strict Southern Baptist Church and, of course, was filled with the requisite self-righteousness and "death to outsiders" mentality that appears to be so common among the strict fundamentalist places. He needs the structure that a very strict religious tone provides. It keeps him going and prevents him from going back to the bottle or running around in a "woe is me" manner. He is a good guy and doesn't deserve what happenned, but it did and now he has to deal with it in whatever manner he finds works out. Of course, when one "finds the ultimate truth" and something that works well for them, they have to share. So, I got an invitation to go. Not really knowing what was going on, I asked for a doctrinal statement or statement of faith so I could check it out so I'd know what I was getting into. I disagreed completely with it (inerrancy, Catholics are evil, all that fun stuff) so I politely declined. Then the insults, invectives, and other nasty stuff came out and what he was *really* getting there became apparant. Everyone outside of their group was an evil unsaved heathen fit for destruction. Everyone inside was appointed by the divine. So, he and I didn't talk for a number of months. I told him to cool down and knock it off with the garbage and be civil if that was what he expected in return. After a while, he cooled off a bit, or so he let on, and the two of us went to get dinner and catch up. He invited his pastor along and didn't tell me. So, we had a nice polite discussion about my objections. His eyes went a bit wide when I told him I'd gone to a Jesuit university. The pastor's words to me: "Its a shame that you're educated." Fortunately, my friend and I get along, but it is a bit strained since I reject their doctrinal stance as being false. "Shut up and believe" is simply not part of my vocabulary - never has been - never will be and should never be required to be. So, after that, I wanted to figure out what it was that drove people to adhere to doctrine and word over message. Why do people go out and do things like get obnoxious at the Gay Pride Festival in San Francisco which provokes a reaction by the LARGE homosexual community there? Why don't they realize that is what will happen? Why do they go out to Catholic Churches and scream at the parishoners in the parking lots? Don't they know that this kind of behavior is going to provoke a response? Well, I got my answers. The answer is that they think that they are appointed by God himself to take care of business. Just like Islamic Fundamentalist Terrorists, the Christian Fundamentalists have a very similar mentality; they're acting on God's behalf. So, I sum it all up thus: "People behaving badly."
#789. To: Red Jones (#787)
I didn't say that. I said that the Bible says slavery is permissible and it also gives instructions on how it should be done. If you want to say it isn't in there, then you're deluding yourself.
You really believe that the bible says slavery is good?
#790. To: mirage, Red Jones (#789)
What the scripture is doing is reflecting the culture at that time.. and what it instructs is regarding behavior which is applicable in our times.. such as being an employee.. etc.
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#791. To: mirage (#788)
Well.. if you are looking to people and at their behavior for the most part that is.. then most anyone would be misled as to what the message of the gospel is.. as I said .. for many its no longer theology but rather an ideology.
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#792. To: Zipporah (#791)
Well, I was looking for was an answer to "why are people doing this" and I got it in spades. Actually, folks here are adding more evidence to "People behaving badly" conclusion every time they go nuts instead of handling things rationally. Unknowingly, they substantiate and prove that point. One other thing I've noticed as a cultural phenomenon is that the more liberal churches are closing their doors or doubling up, but the extremely conservative and/or fundamentalist ones are growing in size. We'll have to see what happens with this trend, whether it continues, or whether or not it reverses itself, but, if one believes in cycles, then we had a long run of liberalism, now its time for the pendulum to swing back the other way. It will either overshoot if we've had *too long* a run or it will correct normally. Only time will tell, but for now, conflict seems to the the rule of the day.
Well.. if you are looking to people and at their behavior for the most part that is.. then most anyone would be misled as to what the message of the gospel is.. as I said .. for many its no longer theology but rather an ideology.
#793. To: mirage (#789)
you said that anybody who believes what the bible says supports slavery - that's what you said. The exchange demonstrates my point about you Mirage - nobody can have a conversation about you. If a person believes in the bible, then he is a bad person according to your sensibilities. You're obsessed with this. You're sick. slavery used to be a completely normal thing, I believe that a significant number of the people who authored the bible were slaves. Slavery both was a fact of life back then, and it is a fact of life today.
#794. To: Red Jones (#793)
Read more carefully next time. You're seeing what you want to see, not what is there. You missed the context entirely and now you're throwing insults rather than asking questions. Calm down, take a chill pill, take a couple of steps back, and be rational. After you've calmed down a bit, if you want to say "And what do you mean by this?" or "Where did you get that idea?" then go ahead, but be willing to accept the answer. Unfortunately, you're not doing that and it doesn't appear that you want to. You've already made up your mind - and you don't have all the facts - and since this is the second go-round, it would appear that nothing will change that. You are showing that you are not interested in anything other than throwing rocks. Feel free. It matters little to me, but comments greatly on you. When you're willing to calm down and have a discussion rather than throw rocks, let me know. If you want to ask a question, I'll answer it, but be willing to *accept* the answer *in context* rather than seeing in it what you think you want to see. Until then, I'm going to assume you've made up your mind based on -what- one comment which is based on an apologetic work from a Fundamentalist that if you had asked about without throwing rocks around, I would have quoted to you. But you don't care about that - and you're showing that you are not interested in anything but throwing rocks (which is precisely what you're doing) and you're happy with your conclusions. Have fun - you're behaving exactly as I figured. Badly. Something challenges what you think and you have to attack and eradicate it rather than deal with it rationally. Sorry, guy.
you said that anybody who believes what the bible says supports slavery - that's what you said.
#795. To: mirage (#794)
I'm not upset. I'm just telling a jack-ass that he's a jack-ass.
#796. To: mirage (#794)
for all the talking you do, you are unable to communicate anything of significance. I read what you said - that anyone who believes in the bible believes that slavery is good, that's what you said. and then you say that I didn't read it 'in context'. You are unable to communicate clearly. You are unable to use logic. and on top of that you are a naysayer. endless words of doubt come out of your mouth. and when someone tries to listen to you it is nothing but confusion that comes from you. You expect that you can behave like this and that nobody will notice. You're an idiot.
#797. To: Zipporah (#781)
The King James is very reliable. 100 percent reliable. Some of the other versions have errors. For example in the NIV it says to be angry is sin. It also says Jesus was angry. Therefore the NIV makes Jesus a sinner. The King James version says to be angry without cause is sin. That is just one example.
Im not sure why people think the KJV is the ONLY translation that's correct.. once I asked one of these people..when she told me that the KJV is the only correct bible.. I asked her what about the Japanese? And her answer? They use the Japanese King James Version LOL!
That thy beloved may be delivered; save with thy right hand, and hear me.
#798. To: mirage (#767)
There is no chronologica problem. You need to brush up on your reading skills.
The world began before Adam and Eve. There were no prophets at the beginning of things, only after Adam and Eve. Its a chronological problem.
That thy beloved may be delivered; save with thy right hand, and hear me.
#799. To: mirage (#788)
Uh it's the Gay pride festival that caused the reaction. They want to flaunt their PERVERSIONS (yes perversion is a real word) and expect no reaction. Sheesh.
So, after that, I wanted to figure out what it was that drove people to adhere to doctrine and word over message. Why do people go out and do things like get obnoxious at the Gay Pride Festival in San Francisco which provokes a reaction by the LARGE homosexual community there?
That thy beloved may be delivered; save with thy right hand, and hear me.
#800. To: A K A Stone, Zipporah (#797)
I agree with A K A on this point. I would recommend the KJV over the others.
#801. To: Red Jones (#800)
I'm sur there is some truth in some of the other versions. But God said he would translate it into other languages. KJV was the first english version. I don't think satan could beat God to the "printing press" so to speak. Some other versions are just modern PC bullshit. Like that new king james version
I agree with A K A on this point. I would recommend the KJV over the others
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#802. To: Red Jones, A K A Stone (#800)
I didnt say I used the International Version.. and IMO the KJV is a poor translation and uses verbage that is antiquated and that is one of many reasons I dont use it. I used the New American Standard for this reason -- > (the translators)... strove to produce a literal translation ... in the belief that such a translation 'brings the contemporary reader as close as possible to the actual wording and grammatical structure of the original writers' "'
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#803. To: A K A Stone (#801)
Sorry but this is basically nonsense ..
KJV was the first english version. I don't think satan could beat God to the "printing press" so to speak.
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#804. To: Zipporah (#803)
Gutenberg was a nazi!
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#805. To: Dakmar (#804)
ROFLMAO!!
Gutenberg was a nazi!
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#806. To: Zipporah (#803)
No it is not. You think the Devil could put out a counterfit word of God before God could. God is strong not weak.
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#807. To: Dakmar (#804)
Are you drunk again?
That thy beloved may be delivered; save with thy right hand, and hear me.
#808. To: A K A Stone, Mirage (#798)
you mean this idiot naysayer named Mirage actually said that the bible said that the world begins with adam & eve. That guy is a complete idiot. Mirage is just a naysayer. the bible actually says that when you interpret it, then you should interpret it 'in the spirit'. It is not meant to be interpreted literally. Mirage takes these very narrow literal interpretations and tries to use it to cross up other sections and then he says that this is proof that none of it is of god. This person is a rotten naysayer. He boasts of all the 'research' he's done. and then when he speaks about this research he just speaks doubt and nothing else.
#809. To: Zipporah (#802)
I know. I was just using that as an example of why the King James is trustworthy and some others are not.
I didnt say I used the International Version..
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#810. To: A K A Stone (#806)
A serious question.. are you pulling my leg or do you really believe this?
No it is not. You think the Devil could put out a counterfit word of God before God could. God is strong not weak.
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#811. To: Red Jones (#808)
There was like 5 days before Adam and Eve.
you mean this idiot naysayer named Mirage actually said that the bible said that the world begins with adam & eve. That guy is a complete idiot.
That thy beloved may be delivered; save with thy right hand, and hear me.
#812. To: A K A Stone (#799)
Uh it's the Gay pride festival that caused the reaction. They want to flaunt their PERVERSIONS (yes perversion is a real word) and expect no reaction. Sheesh. I think some more of them should be decorating fence rows like the one that was hung up to dry in Wyoming.
So, after that, I wanted to figure out what it was that drove people to adhere to doctrine and word over message. Why do people go out and do things like get obnoxious at the Gay Pride Festival in San Francisco which provokes a reaction by the LARGE homosexual community there?
"Once a government is committed to the principle of silencing the voice of opposition, it has only one way to go, and that is down the path of increasingly repressive measures, until it becomes a source of terror to all its citizens and creates a country where everyone lives in fear."Harry S. Truman, 1950
#813. To: A K A Stone (#809)
Since the KJV was translated #1 there have been other manuscripts discovered and the verbage as I said is absolutely antiquated and often poorly translated.
I know. I was just using that as an example of why the King James is trustworthy and some others are not.
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#814. To: BTP Holdings (#812)
UH.. I wouldnt want to see anyone murdered what the heck.. ??
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#815. To: Zipporah (#802)
The NASV is also corrupted. # Luke 4: 4: And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God. # Luke 4: 8: And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. # Matt.25: 13: Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh. # Matt.27: 35: And they crucified him, and parted his garments, casting lots: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, They parted my garments among them, and upon my vesture did they cast lots. # Mark 6: 11: And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear you, when ye depart thence, shake off the dust under your feet for a testimony against them. Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city. # Mark 13: 14: But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains. # John 7: 8: Go ye up unto this feast: I go not up yet unto this feast; for my time is not yet full come. COMMENT: By omitting the word 'yet' the NASV makes the Saviour a liar, because he did later go up to the feast. (John 7:10) # John 3: 15: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. COMMENT: This is an extremely powerful verse. It guarantees that whoever believes in Jesus (identified in verse 14) should not perish but have eternal life. But what do the NASV translators make of this verse? They mutilate it by deleting the words 'should not perish.' Then they inject uncertainty by using the word 'may.' There is no assurance here, no divine guarantee or promise. Instead, 'the believer… MAY in him have eternal life;' implying thereby that he 'May Not!' # Rom.14: 10: But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. # Col.3: 6: For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience. # 1 Tim.3: 16: And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. COMMENT: The word God has been changed to He. This is an attack on a cardinal truth namely that Jesus Christ is God incarnate; that is, God in human flesh! To replace the word God with He is a corruption of the text. It casts doubt on the divinity of Jesus Christ. # 1 John 4: 3: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. COMMENT: the word Christ means 'the anointed One, the Messiah! In this verse the NASV omits the fact that Jesus was indeed the Messiah, the anointed of God, the Christ! Indeed whenever the word 'Christ' is omitted from its rightful place in a modern translation, the fact that He is the Messiah, the anointed of God, is being silently denied. # 1 Cor.5: 7: Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us. # Col.1: 14: In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: # 1 Peter 4: 1: Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin.
I didnt say I used the International Version.. and IMO the KJV is a poor translation and uses verbage that is antiquated and that is one of many reasons I dont use it. I used the New American Standard for this reason -- > (the translators)... strove to produce a literal translation ... in the belief that such a translation 'brings the contemporary reader as close as possible to the actual wording and grammatical structure of the original writers' "'
That thy beloved may be delivered; save with thy right hand, and hear me.
#816. To: Zipporah (#810)
I really believe it. But that is not my only reason for trusting the KJV.
A serious question.. are you pulling my leg or do you really believe this?
That thy beloved may be delivered; save with thy right hand, and hear me.
#817. To: Zipporah (#813)
If God is really God. He is powerful enough to get in his word what he wants in it.
Since the KJV was translated #1 there have been other manuscripts discovered
That thy beloved may be delivered; save with thy right hand, and hear me.
#818. To: BTP Holdings (#812)
How about we let God take care of that. We just warn them and encourage them in this life. Vengence is the Lords.
I think some more of them should be decorating fence rows like the one that was hung up to dry in Wyoming.
That thy beloved may be delivered; save with thy right hand, and hear me.
#819. To: Zipporah (#802)
The only verses in the whole Bible that explicitly ties God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit in one "Triune" being is the verse of 1 John 5:7 "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." This is the type of clear, decisive, and to-the-point verse I have been asking for. However, as I would later find out, this verse is now universally recognized as being a later "insertion" of the Church and all recent versions of the Bible, such as the Revised Standard Version the New Revised Standard Version, the New American Standard Bible, the New English Bible, the Phillips Modern English Bible ...etc. have all unceremoniously expunged this verse from their pages. Why is this? The scripture translator Benjamin Wilson gives the following explanation for this action in his "Emphatic Diaglott." Mr. Wilson says: "This text concerning the heavenly witness is not contained in any Greek manuscript which was written earlier than the fifteenth century. It is not cited by any of the ecclesiastical writers; not by any of early Latin fathers even when the subjects upon which they treated would naturally have lead them to appeal to it's authority. It is therefore evidently spurious."
That thy beloved may be delivered; save with thy right hand, and hear me.
#820. To: Zipporah (#814)
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#821. To: Zipporah (#814)
Naw...we just need more scarecrows. What's a queer good for anyway? :P
UH.. I wouldnt want to see anyone murdered what the heck.. ??
"Once a government is committed to the principle of silencing the voice of opposition, it has only one way to go, and that is down the path of increasingly repressive measures, until it becomes a source of terror to all its citizens and creates a country where everyone lives in fear." Harry S. Truman, 1950
#822. To: A K A Stone (#818)
Yup, and no reason we can't have some fun in the process. :P
How about we let God take care of that. We just warn them and encourage them in this life. Vengence is the Lords.
"Once a government is committed to the principle of silencing the voice of opposition, it has only one way to go, and that is down the path of increasingly repressive measures, until it becomes a source of terror to all its citizens and creates a country where everyone lives in fear." Harry S. Truman, 1950
#823. To: A K A Stone (#815)
I can't make heads nor tails from this.. w/o delineating the paragraphs etc.. it's hard to make out what point you are making.
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#824. To: BTP Holdings (#821)
What good are they? I think they're still human beings.. you may be joking (?) but I dont think it's very funny..
Naw...we just need more scarecrows. What's a queer good for anyway? :P
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#825. To: A K A Stone (#818)
The problem is.. it's the job of Christians to 'warn' people .. the bible is a book to Christians.. Christians lead people to God.. and pray for them.. it's the Holy Spirit's job to 'clean them up' so to speak.
We just warn them and encourage them in this life.
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#826. To: Zipporah (#824)
I'm not.
you may be joking
"Once a government is committed to the principle of silencing the voice of opposition, it has only one way to go, and that is down the path of increasingly repressive measures, until it becomes a source of terror to all its citizens and creates a country where everyone lives in fear." Harry S. Truman, 1950
#827. To: BTP Holdings (#826)
alrighty
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#828. To: Red Jones (#771)
you know what mirage - you don't know what you're talking about. you've got a lot of opinions about the bible. but I don't trust a word you say. you are an obstinate naysayer. Alas, he's entirely correct in his evaluation... BUT Ps. You should not trust a word ANYONE says. Listen to your heart and then let your brain have a go at what you've heard. Iffen you're serious about HEARING something, you'll find it somewhere inbetween. That's where you'll find the "truth" as it applies to you... Who cares what anyone ELSE thinks? Who cares what anyone ELSE believes? Live by the standards you've heard and that's the measure YOU'LL be judged by. NO ONE else can hear for you and other people's truth isn't necessarily YOURS. If you do what I suggested, you'll TOTALLY understand this message. If you don't, you'll respond with something like "The truth is eternal. The truth applies to all, yada yada yada... Iffen that's your response, spare me... I'll not cast any more pearls... (-: Happy Friday~!!
Red Jones To: mirage
Don't force feed me your views... talk to me so I can hear you...
#829. To: 82Marine89 (#820)
Then you really shouldn't vote if that is true.
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
That thy beloved may be delivered; save with thy right hand, and hear me.
#830. To: siagiah (#828)
that guy Mirage is a jack-ass and a naysayer. He has no other reason for participating in this thread other than to say 'no'. he went on and on and on about how he'd done research and then when he finally shared some of these gems with us, all he did was speak doubt about the bible. Did you read what that jerk said, he said that if you believe in the bible, then you're pro-slavery. The guy's an idiot. He's here for the sake of tearing down faith and no other reason at all. Too bad if you think I shouldn't speak.
#831. To: Red Jones (#796)
When you can cease resorting to insults and deal with things rationally, then you will show you are willing to hold a conversation, as you said you wished to have. I'll be waiting for something besides insults to come out of you. When you are willing and able to converse, do let me know.
You're an idiot.
#832. To: mirage (#831)
you're an idiot. as far as I'm concerned you've insulted me with your naysaying more than I've insulted you. you're an idiot and you're a naysayer. all you can say is 'no'. I'm not upset at all, I just don't like naysayers.
#833. To: christine (#759)
Who is your favorite TOS bot? posted by Dude :)
the longest thread on 4 so far:
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#834. To: Dude Lebowski (#833)
I have no idea what you are talking about, but what the hell....... If nothing else, at least I added one :)
Who is your favorite TOS bot? posted by Dude
"Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth." - Albert Einstein
#835. To: Red Jones (#832)
Naysayer of what, pray tell? Do you know what it is I've been doing? Let's see if you know or if you're just jumping to conclusions: I'm not upset at all, I just don't like naysayers.
1) What has mirage been researching and what does he intend to do with the data?
2) What is the difference between faith and doctrine?
3) How are the two confused by most people?
4) What is the typical knee-jerk response of most people when a doctrine is challenged?
#836. To: mirage (#835)
there is zero value in having a discussion with you. I've looked at some of your posts and you're non-sensical. All I can detect is that you are very against the bible and those who like it. There is no reason or sanity to you.
#837. To: timetobuildaboat (#834)
#838. To: Red Jones (#836)
All I can detect is that you are very against the bible and those who like it. That is not true, but, since you are not interested in finding out *what* it is that I think, then, you're right. There is zero value in my having a discussion...with you, Red Jones, since you have already drawn a conclusion and don't want to know that you're likely wrong in your conclusion. Your mind is made up already, based on...what data? You don't know what I think because you aren't willing to ask. Your actions show that you prefer, rather, to throw insults instead, jump to a conclusion without collecting any data, without asking any questions, and then pat yourself on the back for doing so. Why are you afraid to ask? Do you not want the answers?
there is zero value in having a discussion with you.
#839. To: timetobuildaboat (#834)
If nothing else, at least I added one :) I was replying to what Christine wrote in #759 or something. And I took the liberty to quote her and italicize it. And Red Jones is a curmudgeon dickhead who has put all of his stock into fairy tales of a brooding, brutal and irritable deity who is prone to changes of disposition. And AKA Jones is a latent butt-pirate. There. That's better.
I have no idea what you are talking about, but what the hell.......
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#840. To: Dude Lebowski (#839)
They say you have to let these things out. I bet you feel much better. I'm glad to see you speak your mind. Don't mind me, I'm quite intoxicated and lov'n it..............
AKA Jones is a latent butt-pirate.
"Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth." - Albert Einstein
#841. To: A K A Stone (#829)
I see you had a bad day @ Foil, so you decided to come over here and take it out on me. I have but one question for you. Why don't you like me defending homosexuals?
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#842. To: 82Marine89 (#841)
He's really strange that way.
Why don't you like me defending homosexuals?
"Thinking that women have a corner on caring is delusional" - A Man not thinking with his dick
#843. To: timetobuildaboat (#842)
This is what I said to him over @ Foil... http://216.133.76.161/cgi-bin/readart.cgi? ArtNum=1360&Disp=8#C8
#8. To: A K A Stone (#7)
Again, yes I defend homosexuals. I defend allot of things I don't agree with. By doing that, I ensure that all Americans can share in the same freedoms. Not just an elite group of homophobic Christians trying to turn America into a theocracy.
As for your 'gay' comments, It just shows that you need to work allot harder at trying to be a Christian, because the way I see it, if you keep going down on your boyfriend your present path, you're going to burn in Hell.
82Marine89 posted on 2005-12-01 23:55:08 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#844. To: 82Marine89 (#843)
Hey, I don't have any problem with you, hell, I might even kiss you if I knew you. Consider this a loving and strong hug.....Sweet-ness
"Thinking that women have a corner on caring is delusional" - A Man not thinking with his dick
#845. To: timetobuildaboat (#844)
hell, I might even kiss you if I knew you.
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#846. To: timetobuildaboat (#844)
Quit scaring away all my new friends!
And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush
#847. To: Dakmar (#846)
In honor of Stone, I changed my tagline.
"Life is tough. Life is tougher if you're stupid." - John Wayne
#848. To: 82Marine89 (#845)
Could be a long and loving relationship, but no payoffs here....sorry.
"Thinking that women have a corner on caring is delusional" - A Man not thinking with his dick
#849. To: Dakmar (#846)
Two very ambiguous terms (scaring and friends). Life is enough to scare me, do you have a more threatening variable? At what intellectual cutoff do they recruit?
Quit scaring away all my new friends!
"Thinking that women have a corner on caring is delusional" - A Man not thinking with his dick
#850. To: 82Marine89 (#847)
I liked that one. I have JFK's comment about the US Presidency being used to deprive Americans of of their liberty and Jeffersons "I have sworn upon the alter of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man" displayed prominently in both my home and my office at work. The people at work seem more unhappy about the Melvins posters.
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush
#851. To: timetobuildaboat (#849)
Homosexuals? 26.
At what intellectual cutoff do they recruit?
And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush
#852. To: Dakmar (#850)
I always worried about them to.
about the Melvins posters.
"Thinking that women have a corner on caring is delusional" - A Man not thinking with his dick
#853. To: Dakmar (#851)
What about the pres. and other govern. officials?
"Thinking that women have a corner on caring is delusional" - A Man not thinking with his dick
#854. To: Dakmar (#851)
Thanks for enlightening me..... Much has been revealed.
"Thinking that women have a corner on caring is delusional" - A Man not thinking with his dick
#855. To: timetobuildaboat (#853)
Age 26, just like everyone else.
What about the pres. and other govern. officials?
And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush
#856. To: Dakmar (#855)
After age 26 you can suck all the dick you want???
"Thinking that women have a corner on caring is delusional" - A Man not thinking with his dick
#857. To: timetobuildaboat (#854)
What, like I'm a little bit jealous of people who got a real education? I learned everything I know from watching cop shows.
Much has been revealed.
And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush
#858. To: timetobuildaboat (#856)
If you are so inclined, I guess. 26 is the age at which the Jesuits have decided a person makes up their mind about their sexuality, or so I'm led to believe from watching cop shows, I've never met any Jesuits to be honest...
After age 26 you can suck all the dick you want???
And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush
#859. To: Dakmar (#857)
Don't be hard on yourself. Come on dude, I'm just hav'n fun. Sorry if I ruffled any feathers....... You must know I'm mad as a hater.
I learned everything I know from watching cop shows.
"Thinking that women have a corner on caring is delusional" - A Man not thinking with his dick
#860. To: timetobuildaboat (#859)
How much does something like that pay?
You must know I'm mad as a hater.
And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush
#861. To: 82Marine89 (#841)
Rough day on foil? Not at all. I always come over here to talk to you and others..much more traffic and responses. I don't care if you defend homosexuals. It's your butt.
I see you had a bad day @ Foil, so you decided to come over here and take it out on me. I have but one question for you. Why don't you like me defending homosexuals?
That thy beloved may be delivered; save with thy right hand, and hear me.
#862. To: A K A Stone (#861)
Dude, you have issues.
#863. To: Dakmar (#860)
With the disillusionment of others.
How much does something like that pay?
"Thinking that women have a corner on caring is delusional" - A Man not thinking with his dick
#864. To: 82Marine89 (#843)
You should also post my response if you want to get the whole story out. I'll give you the short version. I'm not for taking any homosexuals rights away, i'm just against special laws for them. Such as hate crime laws.
That thy beloved may be delivered; save with thy right hand, and hear me.
#865. To: timetobuildaboat (#863)
I'm full of hate, just trying to leverage it into the job market.
And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush
#866. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#862)
I know he looks nothing like Mel, but why so abusive. He is obviously a weak and troubled individual. Your way too sweet to go after the weak and powerless.
Dude, you have issues.
"Thinking that women have a corner on caring is delusional" - A Man not thinking with his dick
#867. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#862)
Why is that capps? Are you a normaphobe?
Dude, you have issues.
That thy beloved may be delivered; save with thy right hand, and hear me.
#868. To: Dakmar (#865)
Just buy viking rowing shares.
just trying to leverage it into the job market.
"Thinking that women have a corner on caring is delusional" - A Man not thinking with his dick
#869. To: 82Marine89 (#847)
How does that honor me? I don't think your old tagline is true though. How can one ignorant voter imperil democracy. It's not logical.
In honor of Stone, I changed my tagline.
To love the government is to hate the American people!!!
#870. To: Dakmar (#865)
Buying microsoft may be an answer.....
just trying to leverage it into the job market.
"Thinking that women have a corner on caring is delusional" - A Man not thinking with his dick
#871. To: 82Marine89 (#845)
Are you coming out of the closet?
hell, I might even kiss you if I knew you.
To love the government is to hate the American people!!!
#872. To: Dakmar (#860)
Big time......
How much does something like that pay?
"Thinking that women have a corner on caring is delusional" - A Man not thinking with his dick
#873. To: A K A Stone (#871)
If it were warmer in the main room.
Are you coming out of the closet?
"Thinking that women have a corner on caring is delusional" - A Man not thinking with his dick
#874. To: A K A Stone (#869)
Because one vote can sway an election and have everlasting ramifications on a democracy. Think about it.
How can one ignorant voter imperil democracy. It's not logical.
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#875. To: timetobuildaboat (#866)
Why is that? Actually im quite strong and full of confidence.
He is obviously a weak and troubled individual.
To love the government is to hate the American people!!!
#876. To: A K A Stone, CAPPSMADNESS (#867)
Is that a word you learned how to spell in group therapy?
Why is that capps? Are you a normaphobe?
And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush
#877. To: A K A Stone (#875)
Don't mind my delving into the darker side of life.....
Why is that? Actually im quite strong and full of confidence.
"Thinking that women have a corner on caring is delusional" - A Man not thinking with his dick
#878. To: 82Marine89 (#874)
Think about it. I don't think just one voter would do that. Not out of millions and millions. If you said "ignorant VOTERS" I would agree, but not just one voter. So technically I think it is incorrect. But I think I would agree with you that ignorant voters are a threat. Besides we are supposed to be a republic anyways.
Because one vote can sway an election and have everlasting ramifications on a democracy.
To love the government is to hate the American people!!!
#879. To: 82Marine89 (#874)
Bullshit, I always voted for the candidate that bought me the most liquor and this country is in great shape!
Because one vote can sway an election and have everlasting ramifications on a democracy.
And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush
#880. To: Dakmar (#876)
No it's a word I made up in response to the word the homosexuals made up. You know they call us homophobes. Remember you heard it first from me.
Is that a word you learned how to spell in group therapy?
To love the government is to hate the American people!!!
#881. To: A K A Stone (#871)
You are obsessed with that whole alternative lifestyle thing, aren't you?
Are you coming out of the closet?
And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush
#882. To: 82Marine89 (#874)
I like your John Wayne quote. I agree with it. :)
"Life is tough. Life is tougher if you're stupid." - John Wayne
To love the government is to hate the American people!!!
#883. To: A K A Stone (#878)
Can you read? Obviously logic isn't one of your finer points.
I don't think just one voter would do that. Not out of millions and millions. If you said "ignorant VOTERS" I would agree, but not just one voter. So technically I think it is incorrect. But I think I would agree with you that ignorant voters are a threat. Besides we are supposed to be a republic anyways.
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#884. To: A K A Stone (#880)
The gift is to see the truth, got it.
Remember you heard it first from me
And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush
#885. To: Dakmar (#881)
You are obsessed with that whole alternative lifestyle thing, aren't you? No, it was just a little joke. You gotta admit he set himself up for that one. Couldn't pass it up. I don't really think he is gay.
Are you coming out of the closet?
To love the government is to hate the American people!!!
#886. To: A K A Stone (#885)
You always say that after embarassing yourself and your cause. I kinda feel sorry for your cause.
No, it was just a little joke.
And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush
#887. To: 82Marine89 (#883)
Clue me in in what I missed.
Can you read? Obviously logic isn't one of your finer points.
To love the government is to hate the American people!!!
#888. To: Dakmar (#886)
I like to joke around a lot. I was going to put a ;) after it...But he might have thought I was winking in the wrong way.
You always say that after embarassing yourself and your cause. I kinda feel sorry for your cause.
To love the government is to hate the American people!!!
#889. To: Dakmar (#884)
That is someone elses tagline.
The gift is to see the truth, got it.
To love the government is to hate the American people!!!
#890. To: A K A Stone (#887)
Think about it.
Clue me in in what I missed.
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#891. To: 82Marine89 (#890)
I already did. One vote doesn't mean shit. If hundreds or thousands or millions of others voted the same way.
Think about it.
To love the government is to hate the American people!!!
#892. To: A K A Stone (#891)
Tell that to people who vote. Tell them their vote doesn't mean shit. JFK was referring to you.
One vote doesn't mean shit.
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#893. To: A K A Stone (#891)
The US government? Wouldn't I hate American people more if I loved (and serepticiously served) a foreign government?
To love the government is to hate the American people!!!
And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush
#894. To: 82Marine89 (#892)
Tell that to people who vote. Tell them their vote doesn't mean shit. JFK was referring to you. So you think that if one of the people who voted in 2004 for Bush, would have switched to constitution or libertarian party, it would have made a difference. No the threat is from many ignorant people. Practically the whole country.
One vote doesn't mean shit.
To love the government is to hate the American people!!!
#895. To: Dakmar (#893)
Yes the US government. Quite possibly on your second point.
The US government? Wouldn't I hate American people more if I loved (and serepticiously served) a foreign government?
To love the government is to hate the American people!!!
#896. To: 82Marine89 (#892)
Your vote didn't mean shit. If you wouldn't have voted for Bush he would have still been President. Who knows if they even count the votes.
Tell that to people who vote.
To love the government is to hate the American people!!!
#897. To: A K A Stone (#894)
Each one is an individual voter.
No the threat is from many ignorant people.
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#898. To: A K A Stone (#895)
You know what I meant, what's the correct spelling of serepticiouly?
And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush
#899. To: Dakmar (#898)
serreptitiously, I believe
#900. To: A K A Stone (#896)
I have been wanting to respond to something you said on this thread that has been proven wrong. This thread is so long now and I don't feel like wading through it to find it. You said we are all born under equal footing and we shape who we become, or something to that effect. That sounds so much like the blank-slate theory which was very popular in the 1960s, a time period when people started churning out all sorts of stupid ideas. People are not born the same, physically or mentally. For example many personality traits are hereditary, including things like temper and talents. Every one of us is a unique individual in all ways.
#901. To: Dakmar (#898)
surreptitiously
serepticiouly?
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#902. To: Diana (#900)
That sounds so much like the blank-slate theory which was very popular in the 1960s, a time period when people started churning out all sorts of stupid ideas. People are not born the same, physically or mentally. For example many personality traits are hereditary, including things like temper and talents. Every one of us is a unique individual in all way I never said your first sentence. If you can find what I said I will respond to it. I agree that a lot of stupid ideas came out of the 60's I don't know if we inherit temper or talents, I do definately agree that we are all unique individuals.
You said we are all born under equal footing and we shape who we become, or something to that effect.
To love the government is to hate the American people!!!
#903. To: 82Marine89 (#901)
Did you look that up in the dictionary......or did you already know how to spell it. Be honest please.
surreptitiously
To love the government is to hate the American people!!!
#904. To: A K A Stone, 82Marine89 (#903)
Quit fighting over me, it's gross!
And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush
#905. To: 82Marine89 (#897)
Yes, but one won't spoil it. If everyone was informed and only one person wasn't, we wouldn't have a problem now would we.
Each one is an individual voter.
To love the government is to hate the American people!!!
#906. To: A K A Stone (#903)
No, I did not look it up in a dictionary.
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#907. To: Dakmar (#898)
Yes I knew what you meant and I answered it. I would have to look it up in the dictionary.
You know what I meant, what's the correct spelling of serepticiouly?
To love the government is to hate the American people!!!
#908. To: A K A Stone (#905)
How does it feel to be the one?
If everyone was informed and only one person wasn't, we wouldn't have a problem now would we.
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#909. To: 82Marine89 (#906)
It's syrupticiously I was thinking of, an obscure Canadian medical term.
And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush
#910. To: 82Marine89 (#908)
You voted for Bush not me. Your one of the many.
How does it feel to be the one?
To love the government is to hate the American people!!!
#911. To: A K A Stone (#902)
Oh great thanks. This thread is 700+ and I'm suppose to track down that one post. It would help if I remembered who you posted it to but I don't. I'll look for it at some point, the main context though was we are all born equal, which I don't believe for a minute, though I realize many people still do believe that, I think because they either want to, or because they have an agenda. At one time the blank-slate people even tried to say there was no difference between men and women, that they were taught to behave like men or women from the time they were children, hence the differences. Now of course it's known that men and women's brains are different, and hormones play a large role in behavior too.
I never said your first sentence. If you can find what I said I will respond to it.
#912. To: Diana (#911)
I do believe that we are all born equal. I the sense that we all have equal rights (at least theoretically we are supposed to). Hope that clears it up for you.
was we are all born equal, which I don't believe for a minute, though I realize many people still do believe that
To love the government is to hate the American people!!!
#913. To: Diana (#911)
I definately think there are differneces between men and women.
At one time the blank-slate people even tried to say there was no difference between men and women
To love the government is to hate the American people!!!
#914. To: A K A Stone (#913)
Are you sure? You dont believe there are any racial differences and there are more genetic differences between the races than there are between men and women..
I definately think there are differneces between men and women.
Click to see: Making a difference in Iraq
#915. To: A K A Stone, Diana (#912)
We are not born equal, equality is a social system we as enlightened westerners strive for, so we enact mostly counterproductive laws... Hire caterers and buy trophies, medals, and awards, surround them with ribbons and mysterious rituals...control! Now go fight in Iraq, Stone, you nutty zionist.
I do believe that we are all born equal. I the sense that we all have equal rights (at least theoretically we are supposed to). Hope that clears it up for you.
And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush
#916. To: Zipporah (#914)
I think there are differences between the "races" I just think that we all came from the same stock. Some people inherited different genes and those are the differences. I don't think there are many "races of people" but we are all part of the one human race.
Are you sure? You dont believe there are any racial differences and there are more genetic differences between the races than there are between men and women..
To love the government is to hate the American people!!!
#917. To: Dakmar (#915)
I oppose the Iraq war and im not a zionist. Besides the so called 13th amendment prohibits unvoluntary servitude. (the real 13th amendment has been hacked out of the constitution).
Now go fight in Iraq, Stone, you nutty zionist.
To love the government is to hate the American people!!!
#918. To: A K A Stone (#916)
Yes we are all humans not some other species.. but there are different races of people just as there are different felines or canines etc..
I don't think there are many "races of people" but we are all part of the one human race.
Click to see: Making a difference in Iraq
#919. To: A K A Stone (#917)
Involuntary.
Besides the so called 13th amendment prohibits unvoluntary servitude.
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#920. To: 82Marine89 (#919)
Your sharp as a tack on these misspellings tonight. Maybe zip and christine can give you some more access and you can be the official spelling corrector. I have to say one thing, you are making me be more careful on my 's 're etc. :)
Involuntary.
To love the government is to hate the American people!!!
#921. To: Dude Lebowski (#839)
Dud you are no better than a godless communist. the day will come when you will be destroyed and I will be happy about it. I'm glad I have this effect on you. It shows I am doing it right. I think we've seen on this thread that there are many people who get very upset at the word of god, and these people cannot tolerate it. it's as if Dud and his friends dance around a maypole thinking of it as a phallic symbol happily ridiculing the word of god, and then destruction will come like a thief and waste them all. I say oh come jesus come, let it be so.
And Red Jones is a curmudgeon dickhead who has put all of his stock into fairy tales of a brooding, brutal and irritable deity who is prone to changes of disposition.
#922. To: Dakmar (#915)
it's really offensive that you're so incredibly ignorant and yet you speak so strongly from a position of ignorance. even a mentally retarded person who has the decency to pay attention would know that A K A Stone is not pro-war and not a zionist. I've never even heard him speak on these issues, and yet I know. Nobody who believes in the bible and takes it seriously is pro-war. I admit that there are bible-thumpers who are pro-war and zionist. But you are a fool with absolutely no discernment at all to mistake A K A Stone for that. Let's try to live in the world of reality. Is your hatred for the things of god so strong that you must slander people who believe in god like this? You should develop humility.
Now go fight in Iraq, Stone, you nutty zionist.
#923. To: Zipporah, A K A Stone, Dakmar, CAPPSMADNESS (#918)
I agree, and anyone with eyes to see whose minds are not clouded with propaganda can see it too. When I went to high school, most of the kids were Irish Americans with roots from Ireland (vs. Northern Ireland), most of them from the SW counties. Their parents and grandparents immigrated to New England and they were about as pure Irish as could be. They tended to be short and stocky, had beautiful wavy hair with all shades of red, very square jaws with large chins and small, short noses. They were somewhat stodgy and rigid, and very clannish. For the most part I don't think they knew what to think of highly animated people such as me! When I went to my high school reunion, they were still the same, they would just silently sit at the tables looking bored. I thought to myself, "same old sticks in the mud!" But then they would drink and loosen up, and when the guys were drunk they would stand side by side and sway together with their arms around each other and sing songs. The few times in high school I saw some of the guys drunk they did this same thing, it appears to be an Irish habit! I can spot a real full blooded Irish person in an instant. My point is there are indeed different brands of humans to put it another way. I don't believe it just boils down to 3 races as there are so many groups within races and also mixes. But I do believe all groups have characteristics in common. This should not be a bad thing to point out though it's been made bad for us regular people by the PTB to recognise this fact, though the PTB are the most race-concious of all. Also it's not good or bad to be this race or that, I believe people adapted over a period of eons to their environment. For instance I believe the Afgans are such warlike people because geographically they are located in an area that has been invaded by others since the beginning of time, and to survive they had to become the fierce warriors that they are. It's too bad various countries don't learn from history as they keep invading Afganistan and the invaders always end up getting slaughtered. On the other hand Eskimos are very gentle people because they have lived in such a cold, isolated and harsh environment forever, so they adapted by being very cooperative, and confrontation is taboo in their society.
Yes we are all humans not some other species.. but there are different races of people just as there are different felines or canines etc..
#924. To: Diana (#923)
Anyone who has eyes to see, it is obvious that there are innate differences in different groups of people both physical and in their temperaments.. these differences are inherited.. this entire discussion reminds me of the Emperor without clothes..
Click to see: Making a difference in Iraq
#925. To: Zipporah (#924)
It's mind-boggling to me how anyone can truly believe "we are all the same".
#926. To: Diana (#925)
People have been so propandized that they can't see what is right before their eyes.. boggles the mind. AND they've also been convinced IF you see differences it's the same as saying one group is better than the other.. of course not so..
Click to see: Making a difference in Iraq
#927. To: Diana (#923)
They were what my father called "Shanty Irish", or those from lower clans. He calimed we were "Lace Curtain Irish", of higer clans with dark hair and fair skin. We are still pretty short tho. And yes, we do get drunk and sing alot as well.
They tended to be short and stocky, had beautiful wavy hair with all shades of red, very square jaws with large chins and small, short noses. They were somewhat stodgy and rigid, and very clannish.
#928. To: Red Jones, A K A Stone (#922)
Not at all Red, many of my closest friends are Christian, and most of my friends believe in some sort of diety. I was picking at AKA Stone because he is contstantly asserting things like only morons believe in evolution, and only KJV of bible is perfect, others are flawed. Maybe you should learn rule #1 with me: If I use the word "nutty", it's likely I'm just trying to joke around with someone, it seems you were much more upset by this than Stone. He does fit most descriptions of "zionist" by the way, but that's neither here nor there. You are starting to remind me of a "meat is murder" sob-sister. Different message, but same respect for people who disagree with you.
Is your hatred for the things of god so strong that you must slander people who believe in god like this?
And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush
#929. To: Dakmar (#928)
well, I was a little shrill. You touched a sensitive subject on a thread where there are many attacks. I still hope you learn that a lot of christians are strongly opposed to this war, and that many christians are against zionism completely. A K A Stone & I fall into that category. It's a big controversy you see. Hope you won't hold a grudge. I won't. I should express myself without being shrill and bashing people. but you know it is a little trying when you have provocateurs on the thread. People are purposely saying stupid things on this thread for fun (Mirage).
#930. To: Red Jones (#929)
I was okay with most neocons until we actually invaded Iraq, no hard feelings. You have every right to be shrill, but it ain't gonna gain you no followers.
And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush
#931. To: Dakmar (#930)
I'm not a neo-con. neither is A KA Stone. neither are either of us zionists, neither do we support the war. they've scored a huge propaganda coup against the bible if they've convinced you that people who believe in the bible are zionists or pro-war or neo-cons. the bible is by far the most popular book in world history. and it is also greatly slandered. it is both loved and hated. and mis-understood on grand scale.
#932. To: Red Jones (#931)
no they haven't Red.
I'm not a neo-con. neither is A KA Stone. neither are either of us zionists, neither do we support the war. they've scored a huge propaganda coup against the bible if they've convinced you
And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush
#933. To: 82Marine89 (#843)
Outstanding! Here's one that is *the right way* to do things. Portland radio host Lars Larson says he has a plan to put Christmas into downtown Portland. Larson says he's going to rent space from the city to put a cross in Pioneer Courthouse Square. He says the city has stripped the meaning from the season by renaming the Christmas tree a "holiday tree." Larson got the idea after seeing a Hanukah menorah in the square last year that was set up by a local jewish group. "I'd like to remind people there's more behind this than buying presents," said Larson. "It's not getting together with freinds, it's Christmas, the birth of Jesus Christ." Larson says he got help from his boss and a local church organization. The cross is expected to be up in the square by December 19.I defend allot of things I don't agree with.
Lars Larson putting up cross in downtown Portland [Oregon]
More power to them! They're going to put a webcam on it as well and are asking people to behave while it is up - that means, no bozos, no signs, no gathering around it like a pack of twits. Just let it be there and be the message itself.
Larson says he's going to rent space from the city to put a cross in Pioneer Courthouse Square.
#934. To: Red Jones (#929)
Oh? Care to discuss this or are you still wishing to throw stones?
People are purposely saying stupid things on this thread for fun
#935. To: mirage (#934)
Personally, it's a slow night and I just want to say stupid things for fun. I bet your name is Rosenfargen.
Dubya to the serfs: "It's Raining!"
#936. To: mirage (#934)
I'm into German sort of names today.. I forgot a customers name and underwent a really blinding brainstorming spell trying to remember it. Rosenstag! Rosenfargen! Rosenstein! RosenRosen!
Dubya to the serfs: "It's Raining!"
#937. To: All (#936)
Rosenflem!
Dubya to the serfs: "It's Raining!"
#938. To: All (#937)
Rosenstreudel! Rosensheim! Rosenhause!
Dubya to the serfs: "It's Raining!"
#939. To: All (#938)
Rosenfeffer!
Dubya to the serfs: "It's Raining!"
#940. To: All (#939)
Rosenkraut!
Dubya to the serfs: "It's Raining!"
#941. To: Jhoffa_ (#935)
Feel free :) But Rosenfargen...naw. Too German. Bavarian is fine though!
Personally, it's a slow night and I just want to say stupid things for fun.
#942. To: Red Jones (#830)
that guy Mirage is a jack-ass and a naysayer. He has no other reason for participating in this thread other than to say 'no'. he went on and on and on about how he'd done research and then when he finally shared some of these gems with us, all he did was speak doubt about the bible. Did you read what that jerk said, he said that if you believe in the bible, then you're pro-slavery. The guy's an idiot. He's here for the sake of tearing down faith and no other reason at all. Too bad if you think I shouldn't speak. Oh well... you've resorted to name~calling and personal trashing of another- sooooooo, what's that say about you? FACT: It's an unwritten RULE OF THE UNIVERSE that if you can't defend your position with facts and opinions based on those facts, rather than stooping to name~calling & whining, that your position is weak. You might want to work on that instead of wasting your energy trashing Mirage. It's not his/her fault.
To: siagiah
Don't force feed me your views... talk to me so I can hear you...
#943. To: siagiah (#942)
mirage joined this thread for the sake of provocation, not for conversation. He hates christians. He did not engage in good faith. not only that he's a jerk and a naysayer. And I think it is Mirage's fault. persecution of christian faith is mirage's purpose. no other purpose whatsoever. and I do not respect that.
#944. To: Red Jones, siagiah (#943)
If reading the Bible and noting where it has irreconcilable problems is "persecution of Christian faith" then it would seem that Christians have a problem greater than one person can bring to light. Sir, you have naught but insults to offer and nothing constructive to bring. This is the tactic of one who is defeated in debate; bringing personal insults to a discussion is tantamount to saying "I give up, I have nothing to contribute, and so therefore I will make an ass of myself to save face." I dispute bad doctrine, nothing more, nothing less. As ever, I await you taking yourself up on your own offer to engage in conversation. You show you have naught but insults to throw, which a conversation does not make. If there is bad faith shown, it is yours for failure to make good on your own offer. If inquisitions and persecutions are going on, they are of your own making, not of mine. Questioning does not a persecution make. It is a seeking of knowledge, nothing more, nothing less. If there is a person for whom there should be no respect on this thread, it is you, sir, for your duplicity and inability to maintain civility.
persecution of christian faith is mirage's purpose. no other purpose whatsoever. and I do not respect that.
#945. To: mirage (#944)
Above zip and myself disproved all or most of your things you said were inconsistencies. All of your things you say are inconsistencies can be proven wrong.
If reading the Bible and noting where it has irreconcilable problems is "persecution of Christian faith" then it would seem that Christians have a problem greater than one person can bring to light.
If you hate the American people, your going to really love their government.
#946. To: mirage (#944)
just nonsense and doubt comes out of your mouth. it's impossible to engage in conversation with you. you're a naysayer and a jerk. I've had enough of your nonsense and I won't tolerate it.
#947. To: Red Jones (#946)
Am I? Here, try this, it is from Peter Ruckman, the founder of the Pensacola Bible Institute. If you challenge his interpretation, you may take it up with them. There is no fault with this analysis: I checked this with the pastor of our local Church of Christ who concurred with Ruckman's analysis. If you find it offensive, then so be it. However, it is 100% in line with Scripture. The point is this: Morality has evolved since Biblical days. Holding only to the letter of the Bible as it was written is to deny that man's ability to deal with his fellow man in a more moral and proper manner cannot happen. Your rebuttal, sir?
you're a naysayer and a jerk.
George DeHoff, on page 154 in Alleged Bible Contradictions ... tells us that God abolished slavery by a process of 'teaching and instructing the people,' which is about as wild a statement as was ever made on Commercial TV. God never abolished slavery a day since it started. (1 Tim 6:1-3, 1 Cor 7:21)
#948. To: A K A Stone (#945)
I disagree. Even apologists find many of these to be "difficult" to deal with.
All of your things you say are inconsistencies can be proven wrong.
#949. To: mirage (#947)
Holding only to the letter of the Bible as it was written is to deny that man's ability to deal with his fellow man in a more moral and proper manner can happen. Error in missive. Above is the corrected version. My apologies for the error.
Holding only to the letter of the Bible as it was written is to deny that man's ability to deal with his fellow man in a more moral and proper manner cannot happen.
#950. To: Red Jones, Mirage (#946)
you're a naysayer and a jerk. I've had enough of your nonsense and I won't tolerate it. Mr. Red Jones: I won't stoop to calling you names or trashing you as you seem to enjoy doing to others. However, I will point out AGAIN, that you are doing NOTHING but calling Mirage derogatory names REPEATEDLY after being told time and time again that it PROVES THAT YOUR ARGUMENT IS WITHOUT THE ABILITY TO WITHSTAND CRITICISM OR DIRECT SCRUTINY. This simple fact PROVES BEYOND DOUBT THAT YOU HAVEN'T A PROVERBIAL LEG TO STAND ON, (and presumably know it) therefore now you can only growl at & spit on those that disagree with you... That you are unable a/o unwilling to defend your position with civil debate focused on facts, viewpoints, discussion says more about you than you can imagine. Also, MORE IMPORTANTLY, it further degrades your beloved Bible's credibility. THAT should trouble you more than anything else (IMHO)because it is you (& those like you) who have caused people of faith to be jeered at and ridiculed. You apparently BELIEVE that you are standing up for and DEFENDING your faith but in truth, you are hurting its reputation (and the reputation of ALL CHRISTIANS by proxy)... Not to put TOO sharp an edge on it, but you'd do more for your cause by keeping QUIET (& letting more knowledgeable folks argue)... IOW, shut up already if all you can do is spit insults at Mirage. You're making an ass not only of yourself, but, by association, of all those who believe as you do. If Jesus is all you believe he is, he doesn't need YOUR RUDE DEFENSE of him... Maybe that's why he suggested that believers "put their light on a hillside to enlighten the valleys" (IOW, WALK THE WALK quietly & honestly and others will seek you out to learn what you have that shines out of you. Unfortunately, the second you open your mouth, it escapes you and you DISCREDIT Jesus instead) Truthfully, you make it FUN to tease you to get you riled up and sometimes, that's all but irresistable for folks like me... but I'm trying hard no to because I DO have respect for those who believe and who do argue intelligently. ----------------------------- Mirage: Kudos for keeping your good manners in tact given the repeated provocation you've gotten from some posters here.To: mirage just nonsense and doubt comes out of your mouth. it's impossible to engage in conversation with you.
Don't force feed me your views... talk to me so I can hear you...
#951. To: siagiah (#950)
I decline to read your smut. Mirage is a naysayer. he does nothing but doubt. His reason for participation here is to spread doubt. and to say no. he has no other purpose. I spent a lot of time above (remember this thread has 950 posts) trying to see what Mirage was saying. I figured out, he's a naysayer. after that I don't even read him. It does no good to read him anyway. He's confusing, he doesn't speak clearly. He is dealing with me in bad faith. therefore, I treat him as I do. he is playing role of provocateur. maybe you are too. Homosexuality is sin! too bad if you don't like it.
#952. To: Red Jones (#951)
Whatevah... I expected as much. LOL....
Don't force feed me your views... talk to me so I can hear you...
#953. To: siagiah (#950)
Thanks :) This is a very confusing thread and has had multiple different trains of thought going on.
Kudos for keeping your good manners in tact given the repeated provocation you've gotten from some posters here.
#954. To: Red Jones (#951)
Negative. I've stated several times that: - The Bible has very good things in it. I am absolutely convinced that its authors were inspired to write. You want to say I don't. This will be about the fourth or fifth time that I've said that. What I *dispute* is the claim that it is 100% inerrant. That is a man-made doctrine and the Bible nowhere in its pages makes any claim that it is inerrant whatsoever. There is no verse that says "All Scripture is 100% error-free" anywhere within its pages. I also disagree that taking a strict viewpoint is advantageous or even proper. That has been and ever shall be my position. You claim it isn't. I am very sorry that you think that way, as you are wrong. As for homosexuality, we have evolved as a society beyond many things. In the dark ages, people who were 'different' of any sort tended to be executed on a whim. We don't do that anymore, fortunately. I have stated here on this thread many times that one of the reasons that there is a "Gay Lobby" is because they feel threatened, and why not? Look at the hate toward them being shown on this thread. Would you not feel threatened by it if someone were to say "All Bible Thumpers should be placed in prison" ?? Fortunately, that is not likely ever to happen. What needs to happen is less finger-pointing, fewer insults, and more understanding. If, as medicine seems to indicate, homosexuality is a hormonal problem from the womb, then they are made that way. Sin by most peoples' definition, is a conscious decision. If one is born in a particular way, one does not have a choice in the matter. One can make an argument that God created people that way, for whatever reason, just as handicapped people who are born without arms or legs cannot help how they were made. Scripture can only hold the wisdom of the time it was written. When these passages were written, there were reasons beyond just penning them to paper. There were issues of propogation of humanity, etc. We've got lots of people now. If it turns out conclusively, that homosexuality is a condition that people are simply born with and have no choice in the matter, then the automatic definition of homosexuality as a sin will have to be thrown out, period. What would remain would be for otherwise normal people to *choose* that as a lifestyle thus defying their nature. That *would* qualify as a sin by anyone's definition. Your rebuttal, sir?
Mirage is a naysayer. he does nothing but doubt.
#955. To: mirage (#954)
Was Jesus telling the truth? Or was he a fool?
- The Bible has very good things in it. I am absolutely convinced that its authors were inspired to write.
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#956. To: mirage (#954)
Your silly. It only says thus saith the lord a few hundred times.
What I *dispute* is the claim that it is 100% inerrant. That is a man-made doctrine and the Bible nowhere in its pages makes any claim that it is inerrant whatsoever.
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#957. To: mirage (#954)
You don't know shit. The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. 7 Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever. 8 The wicked walk on every side, when the vilest men are exalted.
That is a man-made doctrine and the Bible nowhere in its pages makes any claim that it is inerrant whatsoever. There is no verse that says "All Scripture is 100% error-free" anywhere within its pages.
If you hate the American people, your going to really love their government.
#958. To: mirage (#954)
Homosexuality is a choice. Any fool knows that.
Sin by most peoples' definition, is a conscious decision. If one is born in a particular way, one does not have a choice in the matter.
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#959. To: mirage (#954)
That has been and ever shall be my position. In other words you ignore the truth.
I also disagree that taking a strict viewpoint is advantageous or even proper.
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#960. To: mirage (#954)
That is assinine. Ever heard of the mark of the beast?
Scripture can only hold the wisdom of the time it was written. When these passages were written, there were reasons beyond just penning them to paper. There were issues of propogation of humanity, etc. We've got lots of people now.
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#961. To: mirage (#954)
If who determines it. Some fallable man. God said it's a sin. A penis is made for a vagina. It is designed for it. Do you have a lot of homosexuals in your family or something. You sure make a lot of exescuses.
If it turns out conclusively, that homosexuality is a condition that people are simply born with and have no choice in the matter, then the automatic definition of homosexuality as a sin will have to be thrown out, period.
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#962. To: mirage (#949)
That's bullshit. Please try to explain it.
Holding only to the letter of the Bible as it was written is to deny that man's ability to deal with his fellow man in a more moral and proper manner can happen.
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#963. To: mirage (#947)
If you think the Bible is a big lie. Why bother going to church. I bet you celebrate Christmas and Easter too.
I checked this with the pastor of our local Church of Christ who concurred with Ruckman's analysis.
If you hate the American people, your going to really love their government.
#964. To: mirage (#954)
I hold out the possibility that you're STUPID enough to not comprehend what I've told you. I see from above you desperately seek a conversation with me. I don't even read your posts. Way up above in the beginning of this thread I read your posts. But once I figured out that your posts are non-sensical, you are a naysayer, you split hairs all for the sake of argument. You have no purpose at participating in this thread but to tear down faith. That is the meaning of 'naysayer'. That is what you are. You're no good. Nothing you say is worth anything. Homosexuality is sin.
The Bible has very good things in it.
#965. To: A K A Stone (#963)
that guy mirage is pathological. a sick pervert naysayer is what he is. Look at the things he wrote on this thread. I won't read a word he says on this thread or any thread. the guy's worthless. Some of the things mirage says above on this thread are strong insults of any believer. and then he complains when I give it back to him.
#966. To: Red Jones (#965)
Some of the things mirage says above on this thread are strong insults of any believer. and then he complains when I give it back to him. Nothing wrong with responding to him. Put him in his place.
Look at the things he wrote on this thread. I won't read a word he says on this thread or any thread. the guy's worthless.
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#967. To: A K A Stone (#966)
that's right.
#968. To: Diana (#668)
That is junk science BS.
this ratio has a lot to do with determining their gender/sexuality.
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#969. To: ALL (#968)
DIE THREAD DIE...
#970. To: mirage (#732)
Barry Goldwater went cenile when he said he supported abortion.
Barry Goldwater supported abortion and he was the very definition of Conservative.
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#971. To: Jethro Tull (#969)
Why are you concerned with what others talk about. I alwasy thought you a traditionalist. Am I wrong?
DIE THREAD DIE...
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#972. To: A K A Stone (#971)
You shouldn't post when you're drunk.
And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush
#973. To: Dakmar (#972)
I rarely drink. Had a six pack in the fridge for months and months before. What makes you think I'm drunk anyway?
You shouldn't post when you're drunk.
If you hate the American people, your going to really love their government.
#974. To: A K A Stone (#973)
Misspelled words mostly, combined with excited nonsense.
I rarely drink. Had a six pack in the fridge for months and months before. What makes you think I'm drunk anyway?
And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush
#975. To: Zipporah (#802)
Why does the New American Standard have a copyright. Do men own that Bible?
New American Standard
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#976. To: Dakmar (#974)
Uh oh what did I misspell. Or maybe it was just a typo. I type pretty fast. Usually don't go back over what I typed.
Misspelled words mostly, combined with excited nonsense
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#977. To: A K A Stone (#975)
What kind of loony question is that? They've copyrighted the translation.. for MEN translated it from the original.. And the KJV was before copyright laws..
Why does the New American Standard have a copyright. Do men own that Bible?
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#978. To: A K A Stone (#976)
There's a good example of both typos and emoting. Try chewing some gum, maybe...
Barry Goldwater went cenile when he said he supported abortion.
And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush
#979. To: Dakmar (#974)
could be drunk on the holy spirit you know.
#980. To: Zipporah (#977)
Anyone can print a king james version. You have to have permission from men to print the other "bibles"
What kind of loony question is that? They've copyrighted the translation.. for MEN translated it from the original.. And the KJV was before copyright laws..
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#981. To: A K A Stone (#980)
Did you read my reply? I guess if you want to print from a bad translation the KJV is as good as any..
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#982. To: Zipporah (#977)
The first of many dealing with what I meant to get back to a few days ago. The problems with Bibles that aren't the King James version. Stay tuned.
What kind of loony question is that? They've copyrighted the translation.. for MEN translated it from the original.. And the KJV was before copyright laws..
If you hate the American people, your going to really love their government.
#983. To: Zipporah (#981)
The King James doesn't have any errors or contradictions. The other Bibles do. Because they are of men.
Did you read my reply? I guess if you want to print from a bad translation the KJV is as good as any..
If you hate the American people, your going to really love their government.
#984. To: A K A Stone (#976)
And I'm being charitable by writing off "cenile" as a typo.
And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush
#985. To: Dakmar (#984)
I'll be honest. I spelled it wrong. Thinking back I should have known that it started with an S. I went to government school what do you expect.
And I'm being charitable by writing off "cenile" as a typo.
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#986. To: A K A Stone (#983)
Where on earth do you get this from? It's truly nutty.
The King James doesn't have any errors or contradictions. The other Bibles do. Because they are of men.
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#987. To: Red Jones (#979)
No "holy" spirit I'm familiar with causes anyone to call everyone who disagrees with them "morons" and such, nor encourages the believer to spout obscenities, which is almost a given with Stone.
could be drunk on the holy spirit you know.
And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush
#988. To: Zipporah (#802)
Matthew 9:13 kjv :for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. "new american standard" :For I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners. Why did they take out the word repentance? Don't they want people to get saved?
and IMO the KJV is a poor translation and uses verbage that is antiquated and that is one of many reasons I dont use it. I used the New American Standard
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#989. To: Zipporah (#986)
From reading.
Where on earth do you get this from? It's truly nutty.
If you hate the American people, your going to really love their government.
#990. To: A K A Stone (#985)
So did I. I would expect better from someone who is constantly spouting crap about being intellectually superior to anyone who could possibly believe the Earth is more than 6000 years old.
I went to government school what do you expect.
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#991. To: A K A Stone (#988)
UH did you consider that the WORD wasnt THERE???
Why did they take out the word repentance? Don't they want people to get saved?
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#992. To: A K A Stone (#976)
that's an interesting theory - that barry goldwasser went senile after he supported abortion. his family name was originally goldwasser. he's 1/4 jewish. He did become a codgy fellow in old age. as I explained to the naysayer - barry goldwater did support a 'right to choose'. He did not think abortion should be illegal. He also thought that the states should cease their child protective service type agencies that try to take kids away from their parents. so he was pro-choice on abortion and child abuse. Goldwater would've preferred the police enforce laws against parents who harm their children through violence, but did want to disband agencies that systematically examined parents. Goldwater was just a man, I don't know why people make anything of him being pro-choice. I went to a church that was built next to his house, land was donated by Barry. He was actually a member of our church, but never attended, not even once. except for his wife's funeral. My mom was at that event. he was a great guy. But I most dis-respect him that he seemed to go over to the New World Order late in life. He wasn't like that in the 60's. Barry Goldwater said 'you can always tell the honest men in politics, they're the losers'.
#993. To: A K A Stone (#989)
Now the question is .. what are you reading??
From reading.
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#994. To: Zipporah (#986)
Where on earth do you get this from? It's truly nutty. Matthew 25:13 KJV:Ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh. "new american standard: You do not know the day nor the hour. The hour of what? Again unclear.
The King James doesn't have any errors or contradictions. The other Bibles do. Because they are of men.
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#995. To: Zipporah (#993)
From the different translations of the Bible.
Now the question is .. what are you reading??
If you hate the American people, your going to really love their government.
#996. To: Zipporah (#991)
Did you just make that up. Of course we are called to repentance.
UH did you consider that the WORD wasnt THERE???
If you hate the American people, your going to really love their government.
#997. To: A K A Stone (#996)
You apparently totally missed the point..
Did you just make that up. Of course we are called to repentance.
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#998. To: Zipporah (#986)
Mark 10:24 KJV:.how hard it is for them that trust in riches to enter into the kingdom of God "new american standard" :.how hard it is to enter the kingdom of God! Again the whole meaning is changed. Why is that. I don't think the "new american standard" is reliable.
Where on earth do you get this from? It's truly nutty.
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#999. To: A K A Stone (#995)
So you've come to the conclusion that because some words are in some translations and not in others that they 'removed' certain words for some unknown reason.. AND have you ever considered that the KJV was translated by MEN?
From the different translations of the Bible.
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#1000. To: Zipporah (#997)
The point is that it was ripped out and thrown in the trash in the "new american standard." The king james version is totally reliable. No missing stuff to confuse you.
You apparently totally missed the point..
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#1001. To: Red Jones (#964)
Explain hermaphrodites given your absolutist position.
Homosexuality is sin.
#1002. To: A K A Stone (#998)
Not really.. we can argue vs by vs.. but it doesnt change that the KJV is a rather poor translation utilizing antiquated verbage.
Again the whole meaning is changed. Why is that. I don't think the "new american standard" is reliable.
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#1003. To: A K A Stone (#1000)
No point in arguing this with you.. go ahead and read the KJV .. LOL
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#1004. To: Zipporah (#999)
Luke 4:8:Get thee behind me, Satan. from kjv Why did the "new american standard" throw that verse in the trash and not record it.
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#1005. To: A K A Stone (#963)
I didn't ever say it was a big lie. I simply dispute the doctrine of inerrancy, which is a man-made doctrine.
If you think the Bible is a big lie. Why bother going to church. I bet you celebrate Christmas and Easter too.
#1006. To: A K A Stone (#1004)
See above
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#1007. To: Zipporah (#999)
I plead total ignorance here, but wan't the New Testiment translated from Aramaic to Greek to Latin and probably a few more before before it reached England? Anyone know what language KJV was translated from? I'm just asking out of curiousity.
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#1008. To: Zipporah (#999)
The king james version came out hundreds of years before these "new translations". It is reasonable that God wouldn't let his word be distorted for hundreds of years and not answer with a true version of his word.
So you've come to the conclusion that because some words are in some translations and not in others that they 'removed' certain words for some unknown reason.. AND have you ever considered that the KJV was translated by MEN?
If you hate the American people, your going to really love their government.
#1009. To: mirage (#1001)
You go first, considering your......view
Explain hermaphrodites given your absolutist position.
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#1010. To: Zipporah (#1002)
It's not a poor translation. It's quite easy to understand. And there aren't missing verses.
Not really.. we can argue vs by vs.. but it doesnt change that the KJV is a rather poor translation utilizing antiquated verbage.
If you hate the American people, your going to really love their government.
#1011. To: Dakmar (#1007)
Babble?
Anyone know what language KJV was translated from?
#1012. To: mirage (#1001)
God's Mom always forced Him to share creation with his little brother Satan?
Explain hermaphrodites given your absolutist position.
And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush
#1013. To: Zipporah, mirage (#1003)
Oh I will. I was just trying to show some inconsistencies in the "other bibles". It is my opinion that satan uses them to confuse us. So people like mirage can use them to say the Bible isn't reliable.
No point in arguing this with you.. go ahead and read the KJV .. LOL
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#1014. To: Jethro Tull (#1011)
No, that would be Egyptian Book of the Dead. Amen Rules! Amen.
Babble?
And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush
#1015. To: Red Jones (#992)
I hope you are correct.
he was a great guy. But I most dis-respect him that he seemed to go over to the New World Order late in life. He wasn't like that in the 60's.
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#1016. To: A K A Stone (#1009)
Hermaphrodites are born both male and female with genitalia belonging to both. In Biblical days, such babies would have simply been killed. We don't do that any longer. Often times, nowadays, parents will have the baby "snipped" and raise the child as a female. Occasionally, the male part re-asserts itself and *poof* you get a lesbian. Now, given that they were born both male and female, there can not possibly be a sin of any kind there. They deserve compassion and pity, not being blasted. There are also other genetic conditions, such as an XXXY chromosomal makeup which does really bizzare and unpredictable things. Many times, such people wind up having to get a gender re-assignment. The problem is not with their minds, it is literally in their genetic code. Thus, homosexuality cannot always a sin. In the case of a hermaphrodite, it is impossible, because they are born "both ways" and many times with fully functional equipment.
You go first, considering your......view
#1017. To: Dakmar (#1007)
I believe it was translated from the original greek, and hebrew.
I plead total ignorance here, but wan't the New Testiment translated from Aramaic to Greek to Latin and probably a few more before before it reached England? Anyone know what language KJV was translated from? I'm just asking out of curiousity.
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#1018. To: A K A Stone (#1013)
Okay hows this for confusion.. Exodus 20:13.. what does it say ??
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#1019. To: Jethro Tull (#1011)
You mean babylonian? I don't think so.
Babble?
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#1020. To: mirage (#1001)
Just today, I saw a person whose gender was non specific. It could have been either or. There was no way to tell. This person didn't choose this. This person was born this way with the physical characteristics of both male and female. You cannot tell me that this can happen on the outside and not on the inside. Hormones and brain chemistry can also be scrambled. This is not chosen. It's biological as is any other birth defect.
#1021. To: Zipporah (#1018)
Thou shalt not commit adultery. What's so confusing about that?
Okay hows this for confusion.. Exodus 20:13.. what does it say
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#1022. To: A K A Stone (#1021)
Wrong verse.. 20:13 Thou shalt not kill. Now what's wrong with this ??
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#1023. To: mirage (#1016)
It is part of the curse most likely.
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#1024. To: Zipporah (#1022)
Nothing wrong with it. From Gods perfect word.
20:13 Thou shalt not kill.
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#1025. To: christine (#1020)
Exactly! Sadly, the absolutist viewpoint does not take any of this into account......
This person was born this way with the physical characteristics of both male and female. You cannot tell me that this can happen on the outside and not on the inside. Hormones and brain chemistry can also be scrambled. This is not chosen. It's biological as is any other birth defect.
#1026. To: A K A Stone (#1023)
What curse? But that still begs the question....how can a hermaphrodite possibly ever be guilty of the "sin of homosexuality" when they are both male and female?
It is part of the curse most likely.
#1027. To: Dakmar (#1007)
well you're very right that there have been a whole lot of languages that it has morphed and migrated from and to. I personally trust the KJV a lot better than any of the newer versions. But I would think the translations of the aramaic and greek are very important because those languages I believe are what they spoke most at the time. some latin was spoken at the time also. I think the newer versions we've read about that have come out in the last few years show that there is a huge effort to destroy the bible. I don't doubt this effort began decades or possibly centuries ago. The KJV is a little difficult to read in the old english style, but I trust it far better.
#1028. To: mirage (#1025)
Have you ever believed in God. If so what changed your mind.
Exactly! Sadly, the absolutist viewpoint does not take any of this into account......
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#1029. To: mirage (#1016)
And what percentage of births are hermaphrodites? They wouldnt be considered gay.. not part of the equation.
Hermaphrodites are born both male and female with genitalia belonging to both.
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#1030. To: mirage (#1026)
But that still begs the question....how can a hermaphrodite possibly ever be guilty of the "sin of homosexuality" when they are both male and female? If a man lies with a man as he lies with a woman he as commited an abomination. It's pretty clear cut and straight forward. Do you have any homosexuals in your family?
What curse?
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#1031. To: Red Jones (#1027)
I agree with you that there is an effort to destroy the Bible. They have tried to destroy it for centuries. But it is still here. God wants it here for us, so there will be no stopping it.
I think the newer versions we've read about that have come out in the last few years show that there is a huge effort to destroy the bible. I don't doubt this effort began decades or possibly centuries ago. The KJV is a little difficult to read in the old english style, but I trust it far better.
If you hate the American people, your going to really love their government.
#1032. To: A K A Stone (#1017)
I wasn't aware that Jesus spoke either of those languages.
I believe it was translated from the original greek, and hebrew.
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#1033. To: Zipporah (#1029)
Somewhere on the order of less than 2%. That would include oddball genetic conditions as well. But, like I said, in modern times, they tend to be "snipped" and raised as female, but the male part occasionally re-asserts itself. The point is simple - one cannot make a blanket statement because there is always an exception to the rule.
And what percentage of births are hermaphrodites?
#1034. To: A K A Stone (#1030)
...and if they are both or were "snipped" and raised as female? Its not as straightforward as one would think. It never is, no matter how we try and simplify things.
If a man lies with a man as he lies with a woman he as commited an abomination. It's pretty clear cut and straight forward.
#1035. To: Dakmar (#1007)
I think you're referring to the Vulgate.. the latin translation .. here is info from wikipedia.. on the KJV. I plead total ignorance here, but wan't the New Testiment translated from Aramaic to Greek to Latin and probably a few more before before it reached England? Anyone know what language KJV was translated from? I'm just asking out of curiousity.
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#1036. To: mirage (#954)
2 timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: Are you going to admit you are wrong on that point? Or was you just lying like Red Jones says?
What I *dispute* is the claim that it is 100% inerrant. That is a man-made doctrine and the Bible nowhere in its pages makes any claim that it is inerrant whatsoever. There is no verse that says "All Scripture is 100% error-free" anywhere within its pages
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#1037. To: A K A Stone (#1028)
What makes you think I'm an atheist?
Have you ever believed in God. If so what changed your mind.
#1038. To: mirage (#1033)
As I said I dont think that they're part of the equation.. IMO based on several things, homosexuality is psychological not physiological.
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#1039. To: Dakmar (#1032)
It was written in those languages. That is the language some of them spoke. I'm sure Jesus could speak every language. Afterall he is the author of them. What about speaking in tongues too.
I wasn't aware that Jesus spoke either of those languages.
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#1040. To: mirage (#1037)
What makes you think I'm an atheist? Because there is only one God. All the others are fabrications. Did you make your own custom religion?
Have you ever believed in God. If so what changed your mind.
If you hate the American people, your going to really love their government.
#1041. To: Zipporah (#1035)
Nope, no politics going on there... :)
here is info from wikipedia.. on the KJV.
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#1042. To: Zipporah (#1022)
20:13 Thou shalt not kill. Now what's wrong with this ?? Im still curious to what you were thinking here.
Wrong verse..
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#1043. To: A K A Stone (#1036)
Read that statement more carefully. It says "given by inspiration" and what it is useful for. It does not say that man did not err when putting pen to paper. Nor does it say it was transmitted without error as copies of copies of copies is all we have currently. It also does not say that all doctrines are inerrant. There are 5500 manuscripts that are used when compiling a translation of the Bible. No two of them are identical. Many have subtle changes that would lead to major doctrinal changes, like that of the adoptionists.
2 timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
#1044. To: A K A Stone (#1024)
Then answer this if it is His perfect word as it is translated in the KJV why would God command people to kill?
Nothing wrong with it. From Gods perfect word.
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#1045. To: mirage (#1033)
So it's 1.something percent. Your funny. A little more then one out of a hundred. lol
Somewhere on the order of less than 2%.
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#1046. To: A K A Stone (#1031)
god's word is good. and he is always just. he is the beginning and the end. when man produces, I'm not going to say what he produces, but that's what sewers are for. When god produces he produces all creation. Yet man thinks he is 'it'. and he is a fool. god is a spirit and he is everywhere. he spoke and the world was created. his words are both true and good.
#1047. To: A K A Stone (#1040)
I don't understand where you are going with this. Why don't you just ask what it is that I think and where I got it from as opposed to guessing?
Did you make your own custom religion?
#1048. To: Dakmar (#1041)
LOL! Precisely..
Nope, no politics going on there... :)
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#1049. To: ALL (#1031)
has anyone here ever researched just who King James was?
#1050. To: Zipporah (#1044)
Simple. Because God used ancient Israel to mead out some of his justice. It was not them killing. It was God. God was with them and he told them what was evil. If they try to do it on their own then that is when problems happen. They were sinners like you and me.
Then answer this if it is His perfect word as it is translated in the KJV why would God command people to kill?
If you hate the American people, your going to really love their government.
#1051. To: christine (#1049)
He was a king. The people who worked on translating had god moving their hearts and minds.
has anyone here ever researched just who King James was?
If you hate the American people, your going to really love their government.
#1052. To: mirage (#1043)
God said he would translate it. He did. King james version. By isnpiration of God means it is directly from God. It also says that it is profitable...
Read that statement more carefully. It says "given by inspiration" and what it is useful for. It does not say that man did not err when putting pen to paper. Nor does it say it was transmitted without error as copies of copies of copies is all we have currently. It also does not say that all doctrines are inerrant.
If you hate the American people, your going to really love their government.
#1053. To: mirage (#1047)
Like I said did you make up your own religion. What do you base your beliefs on. Your opinions of the day?
I don't understand where you are going with this. Why don't you just ask what it is that I think and where I got it from as opposed to guessing?
If you hate the American people, your going to really love their government.
#1054. To: A K A Stone (#1051)
Stone: He was a king. You think?
christine: has anyone here ever researched just who King James was?
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#1055. To: A K A Stone (#1050)
So then .. are you saying God would command someone to commit adultry? The problem is that it's mistranslated.
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#1056. To: 82Marine89 (#1054)
I take it you think he was a space alien. The pope is god right. lol. On a more serious note. Are you a carrier of the gay gene?
You think?
If you hate the American people, your going to really love their government.
#1057. To: 82Marine89 (#1054)
ROFL!
You think?
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#1058. To: Zipporah (#1055)
No God wouldn't command someone to commit adultry. God was there in their presence. He was doing the judging. It was righteous. Your analogy is flawed in my opinion.
So then .. are you saying God would command someone to commit adultry? The problem is that it's mistranslated.
If you hate the American people, your going to really love their government.
#1059. To: christine (#1049)
He is believed during his
captivity to have written The Kingis Quair, an allegorical romance A distant forbear of Lynne Cheney?
has anyone here ever researched just who King James was?
And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush
#1060. To: 82Marine89 (#1054)
I take it you think he was a space alien. The pope is god right. lol. On a more serious note. Are you a carrier of the gay gene?
You think?
If you hate the American people, your going to really love their government.
#1061. To: A K A Stone (#1051)
and you know because??? And no other translation other than the KJV this can be said about??
The people who worked on translating had god moving their hearts and minds.
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#1062. To: A K A Stone (#1056)
Since my daughters like boys, I would have to say no.
On a more serious note. Are you a carrier of the gay gene?
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#1063. To: A K A Stone (#1052)
There is no Scripture stating God would translate a book, much less one particular version of it. If there is such a thing, I would very much like to see it. "Given of inspiration" means that the message was delivered to the person who wrote it down by inspiration from God, not that they penned it down exactly, not that they could even communicate it clearly, and not that the scribes who copied it over and over again got it correct, either, for those scribes certainly DID make mistakes. It is profitable, and there are many good things in it, as I've said many times before.
God said he would translate it. He did. King james version. By isnpiration of God means it is directly from God. It also says that it is profitable...
#1064. To: A K A Stone (#1058)
No not really.. you are saying that God told people to break his commandments.. therefore if God commanded them to break one then why not others? AS I said its a mistranslation in the KJV.
No God wouldn't command someone to commit adultry. God was there in their presence. He was doing the judging. It was righteous. Your analogy is flawed in my opinion.
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#1065. To: A K A Stone (#1053)
Here's a hint: I said before that I went to a Jesuit University. What does that likely say to you?
Like I said did you make up your own religion. What do you base your beliefs on. Your opinions of the day?
#1066. To: mirage (#1065)
He'll decide he's gay by the age of 26?
Here's a hint: I said before that I went to a Jesuit University. What does that likely say to you?
And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush
#1067. To: Dakmar (#1066)
Cute :) I'm Catholic, albeit on the far left-wing of the Jesuit tradition.
He'll decide he's gay by the age of 26?
#1068. To: A K A Stone (#1000)
I wouldn't say it is totally reliable, but it is a lot more reliable than any other English version out today.
The king james version is totally reliable. No missing stuff to confuse you.
God is always good!
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#1069. To: 82Marine89 (#1054)
lol and all kings are good. none are tyrants and none have had political agendas. simple! :)
#1070. To: A K A Stone (#1056)
i thought you said there was no gay gene?
#1071. To: Dakmar (#1059)
:P
A distant forbear of Lynne Cheney?
#1072. To: christine (#1070)
If in fact there is a gay gene as he says, that means God would have created it. Thus, God loves everyone regardless of who or what they are.
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#1073. To: mirage (#1067)
I believe in putting all silly beliefs on the table. I only knew about that one from watching murder police on tv. I take it that particular belief is regarded as anachronistic by most Jesuits and their graduates. Math, science, like the Asians are teaching their kids, wow, what a breakthrough.
And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush
#1074. To: 82Marine89 (#1072)
And no matter if its genetic, psychological or of choice
God loves everyone regardless of who or what they are.. unfortunately that has
been missed by some.
If in fact there is a gay gene as he says, that means God would
have created it. Thus, God loves everyone regardless of who or what they are.
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#1075. To: Zipporah (#1074)
Sometimes the simplest facts are overlooked in the quest for the ultimate truths.
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#1076. To: 82Marine89 (#1075)
When you get into "do's' and 'don'ts' the basics are missed..
Sometimes the simplest facts are overlooked in the quest for the ultimate truths.
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#1077. To: A K A Stone (#1056)
And you wonder why I ask if you've been drinking... Not even musicians talk that crazy until something or other kicks in. Space alien? Do you think Boston could attack us? I hear they're all liberals and are building a space ship shaped like a guitar, it was on Falwell's site maybe...
I take it you think he was a space alien. The pope is god right. lol.
And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush
#1078. To: A K A Stone (#968)
Now you don't know that. You're just saying it because it's what you want to believe. It's been proven hormones affect people in various ways, that is not junk science. I know it's difficult for some Christians to accept facts that may go against their personal beliefs as it makes them feel threatened, but not everything in this world is meant to be cut and dried to fit the bible.
That is junk science BS.
#1079. To: Dakmar (#1077)
Not even musicians talk that crazy until something or other kicks in. Space alien? Do you think Boston could attack us? I hear they're all liberals and are building a space ship shaped like a guitar, it was on Falwell's site maybe... And you wonder why I ask if you've been drinking...
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#1080. To: Zipporah (#1079)
And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush
#1081. To: Dakmar (#1080)
Is that a flying saucer they're standing on?? That message..it's some kind of ploy..
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#1082. To: Zipporah (#1079)
Wow, that one scares the hell out of me.
And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush
#1083. To: Dakmar (#1082)
damned Illuminati..
Help Build a Brand New World
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#1084. To: Zipporah (#1081)
I think they want us to celebrate diversity or something. I'd rather have peace.
Is that a flying saucer they're standing on?? That message..it's some kind of ploy..
And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush
#1085. To: Dakmar (#1084)
I'd rather have a piece also.
I'd rather have peace.
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#1086. To: 82Marine89 (#1085)
Subtle. Ever not have to pay cash up front?
And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush
#1087. To: Dakmar (#1084)
What is this 'celebrate'?? .. Oh here is my fav: http://www.celebratecapitalism.org/ I think they want us to celebrate diversity or something. I'd rather have peace.
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#1088. To: 82Marine89 (#1062)
But you said your sister was a lesbian. If being a homosexual isn't by choice. That would make you a carrier of the gene.
Since my daughters like boys, I would have to say no.
If you hate the American people, your going to really love their government.
#1089. To: A K A Stone (#1088)
For gawds sake..
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#1090. To: mirage (#1065)
Oh that explains a lot. You have been turned off by a bunch of fakers.
Here's a hint: I said before that I went to a Jesuit University. What does that likely say to you?
If you hate the American people, your going to really love their government.
#1091. To: 82Marine89 (#1085)
No surprise seeing an admission like that from you on a thread about homos, Mr. make-believe-marine.
I'd rather have a piece also.
#1092. To: Zipporah (#1089)
If it is caused by birth (which I don't believe). Then would that not be the logical conclusion?
For gawds sake..
If you hate the American people, your going to really love their government.
#1093. To: Dakmar (#1086)
You mean you don't have to pay? I married mine and I'm still paying.
Ever not have to pay cash up front?
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#1094. To: christine (#1070)
It's a rhetorical question.
i thought you said there was no gay gene?
If you hate the American people, your going to really love their government.
#1095. To: A K A Stone (#1092)
IMO that post was to bait.. plain and simple.
If it is caused by birth (which I don't believe). Then would that not be the logical conclusion?
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#1096. To: Zipporah (#1089)
He's retarded.
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#1097. To: Esso (#1091)
You never answered my question from the other day.
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#1098. To: 82Marine89 (#1072)
I never said there was a gay gene. I believe I said by your logic... Yes God does love everyone. Being homosexual is not what someone is. It is a choice they engage in. Because someone takes out the garbage doesn't make them garbage.
If in fact there is a gay gene as he says, that means God would have created it. Thus, God loves everyone regardless of who or what they are.
If you hate the American people, your going to really love their government.
#1099. To: A K A Stone, Zipporah, mirage, Dakmar (#1013)
Goodness! I heard too that satan spread ancient fossils all over the earth to confuse us. Honest, a preacher told me that, so it must be true!!!!
I was just trying to show some inconsistencies in the "other bibles". It is my opinion that satan uses them to confuse us. So people like mirage can use them to say the Bible isn't reliable.
#1100. To: 82Marine89 (#1096)
LOL!
He's retarded.
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#1101. To: Zipporah (#1074)
Who missed that? Yes God loves everyone. He will clearly forgive the homosexuals. If they ask for forgiveness. If they say it is not a sin and they don't need forgiveness. Then how is he to forgive it. They are still in rebellion against God.
And no matter if its genetic, psychological or of choice God loves everyone regardless of who or what they are.. unfortunately that has been missed by some.
If you hate the American people, your going to really love their government.
#1102. To: Diana (#1099)
I think you're right.. ;)
I heard too that satan spread ancient fossils all over the earth to confuse us
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#1103. To: A K A Stone (#1098)
Check out post # 1054. You didn't. If being homosexual is a choice, does the same go for heterosexuals?
I never said there was a gay gene. I believe I said by your logic...
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#1104. To: Dakmar (#1077)
And you wonder why I ask if you've been drinking... Not even musicians talk that crazy until something or other kicks in. Space alien? Do you think Boston could attack us? I hear they're all liberals and are building a space ship shaped like a guitar, it was on Falwell's site maybe... I was being silly. Some people do believe that there are lizard people who wrote the Bible or something like that. As for the Pope he does claim the authority to overrule the Bible. He also sits on a thrown like he thinks he is some kind of God.
I take it you think he was a space alien. The pope is god right. lol.
If you hate the American people, your going to really love their government.
#1105. To: Diana (#1099)
You heathen, don't you know Noah brought baby dinosaurs from Montana on the arc with him?
And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush
#1106. To: 82Marine89 (#1097)
I didn't reply out of disrespect to you. You manage to get that info to chris or Zip you said you were going to? I'm curious if you're just a liar, or a disgrace to the armed forces of this country.
#1107. To: A K A Stone (#1101)
I guess I have to repeat this yet again.. it is NOT the job of Christians to convict 'sinners' of sin.. the job of Christians is to pray for the lost and what does the bible say about how the lost are to know Christians?
Who missed that? Yes God loves everyone. He will clearly forgive the homosexuals. If they ask for forgiveness. If they say it is not a sin and they don't need forgiveness. Then how is he to forgive it. They are still in rebellion against God.
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#1108. To: Diana (#1078)
I know it's difficult for some Christians to accept facts that may go against their personal beliefs as it makes them feel threatened, but not everything in this world is meant to be cut and dried to fit the bible. So horomones affect people. That doesn't make them CHOOSE to disobey God and commit abominable acts. What facts. Lay down some facts please. I don't feel threatened. It's the athiests that feel threatened. That's why they attack the true word of God.
It's been proven hormones affect people in various ways, that is not junk science.
If you hate the American people, your going to really love their government.
#1109. To: A K A Stone (#1104)
T-H-R-O-N-E oy vey!
He also sits on a thrown
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#1110. To: All (#1105)
Ark, that is. I was thinking of Noah the welder at first.
And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush
#1111. To: Zipporah (#1095)
Seriously. People say they are born that way. People who say that then are offended when you point out the logical conclusion. If someone has a homosexual family member, wouldn't that make them a carrier of the gay gene. According to their logic it would be nothing to be ashamed of. They should celebrate it. Can you not see that logic?
IMO that post was to bait.. plain and simple.
If you hate the American people, your going to really love their government.
#1112. To: Dakmar (#1110)
so THATS where halos come from.. thanks Dak! Ark, that is. I was thinking of Noah the welder at first.
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#1113. To: A K A Stone (#1108)
I like reading your posts for the truth brother. You are doing a good work here.
I don't feel threatened. It's the athiests that feel threatened. That's why they attack the true word of God.
God is always good!
"It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02]
#1114. To: 82Marine89 (#1103)
If being homosexual is a choice, does the same go for heterosexuals? It was a rhetorical question for the third time. You know that.
Check out post # 1054. You didn't.
If you hate the American people, your going to really love their government.
#1115. To: Esso, Zipporah (#1106)
Esso doesn't think I was in the Marine Corps and wants me to email a copy of my DD214 to you as proof.
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#1116. To: 82Marine89 (#1096)
Retards can't type and out debate you.
He's retarded.
If you hate the American people, your going to really love their government.
#1117. To: A K A Stone (#1111)
This is nonsense.. you've only posted this a zillion times.. why do you want to taunt someone? You know there is such a thing as winning the battle but losing the war.
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#1118. To: A K A Stone (#1114)
Answer the question.
If being homosexual is a choice, does the same go for heterosexuals?
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#1119. To: mirage, A K A Stone (#1016)
In Biblical days, such babies would have simply been killed. We don't do that any longer. Often times, nowadays, parents will have the baby "snipped" and raise the child as a female. Occasionally, the male part re-asserts itself and *poof* you get a lesbian. Now, given that they were born both male and female, there can not possibly be a sin of any kind there. They deserve compassion and pity, not being blasted. There are also other genetic conditions, such as an XXXY chromosomal makeup which does really bizzare and unpredictable things. Many times, such people wind up having to get a gender re-assignment. The problem is not with their minds, it is literally in their genetic code. Thus, homosexuality cannot always a sin. In the case of a hermaphrodite, it is impossible, because they are born "both ways" and many times with fully functional equipment. Excellent post, very well explained, but I'm afraid it will go over his head. If he doesn't get it after reading that, it means he simply does not want to or is incapable of understanding.
Hermaphrodites are born both male and female with genitalia belonging to both.
#1120. To: Diana (#1099)
That preacher was obviously lacking faith and making shit up. The fossils were caused by the flood of noah. What does it take to make fossils? They have to be buried alive in mud. The flood is the only logical explanation for fossils found all over the earth and at the highest altitudes. Billions of dead things buried in mud laid down by water all over the earth. Yep the flood caused the fossil record. Indisputable.
I heard too that satan spread ancient fossils all over the earth to confuse us. Honest, a preacher told me that, so it must be true!!!!
If you hate the American people, your going to really love their government.
#1121. To: 82Marine89 (#1115)
Uh alrighty.. and may I ask how that would prove anything anyway..? Hmm maybe you could post some pics of you in your uniform ?? :P
Esso doesn't think I was in the Marine Corps and wants me to email a copy of my DD214 to you as proof.
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#1122. To: 82Marine89 (#1103)
God makes us hetroxexual. hetrosexual = normal.
If being homosexual is a choice, does the same go for heterosexuals?
If you hate the American people, your going to really love their government.
#1123. To: Zipporah (#1121)
That was my thought. He would probably say I borrowed the DD214 or the pics were of a relative.
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#1124. To: A K A Stone (#1122)
Normal is a state of mind made up by insecure people so they wouldn't have to be different.
God makes us hetroxexual. hetrosexual = normal.
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#1125. To: 82Marine89 (#1123)
I know.. impossible to prove really.. but you could still post pics of yourself in uniform though :P
That was my thought. He would probably say I borrowed the DD214 or the pics were of a relative.
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#1126. To: Zipporah (#1107)
God said judge righteous judgement. Yes we are to pray for the lost. And talk about what is sin, which is what we are doing. They will know christians by their fruit.
I guess I have to repeat this yet again.. it is NOT the job of Christians to convict 'sinners' of sin.. the job of Christians is to pray for the lost and what does the bible say about how the lost are to know Christians
If you hate the American people, your going to really love their government.
#1127. To: A K A Stone (#1122)
Does God make some people blind, or schizophrenic, or are those normal too?
God makes us hetroxexual. hetrosexual = normal.
And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush
#1128. To: A K A Stone (#1126)
consider that one.
They will know christians by their fruit.
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#1129. To: Zipporah (#1125)
I will pull some out of my album tomorrow and scan them. [:{)
but you could still post pics of yourself in uniform though :P
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#1130. To: Dakmar (#1105)
Not from Montana.
You heathen, don't you know Noah brought baby dinosaurs from Montana on the arc with him?
If you hate the American people, your going to really love their government.
#1131. To: Dakmar (#1127)
I think we're witnessing some on your list.. :P
Does God make some people blind, or schizophrenic, or are those normal too?
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#1132. To: Esso (#1106)
I'm curious if you're just a liar, or a disgrace to the armed forces of this country. He did say he would do that. He could forge a copy though.
You manage to get that info to chris or Zip you said you were going to?
If you hate the American people, your going to really love their government.
#1133. To: mirage (#1033)
I knew of a case where a boy was born without testicles but had a penis, and had ovaries inside. The parents didn't do anything, and by the time he was 2 years old he wanted to play with dolls and other girl's toys, and wear girls clothes. He felt like a girl. I don't know what happened to that child but it was a very sad situation as he looked like a boy but felt like a girl.
But, like I said, in modern times, they tend to be "snipped" and raised as female, but the male part occasionally re-asserts itself.
#1134. To: 82Marine89 (#1109)
T-H-R-O-N-E oy vey! No a thrown.....because God is going to throw it into some lake.
He also sits on a thrown
If you hate the American people, your going to really love their government.
#1135. To: A K A Stone (#1132)
Do you sleep with one eye open and the lights on?
He did say he would do that. He could forge a copy though.
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#1136. To: Diana (#1133)
Did he want to put wheels on dolls and turn them into a truck? :P
I knew of a case where a boy was born without testicles but had a penis, and had ovaries inside. The parents didn't do anything, and by the time he was 2 years old he wanted to play with dolls and other girl's toys, and wear girls clothes. He felt like a girl. I don't know what happened to that child but it was a very sad situation as he looked like a boy but felt like a girl.
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#1137. To: 82Marine89 (#1118)
Like you answered Red Jones....Or you answered my SIMPLE constitution 101 question on the fourth amendment.
Answer the question.
If you hate the American people, your going to really love their government.
#1138. To: A K A Stone (#1134)
Say what??
No a thrown.....because God is going to throw it into some lake.
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#1139. To: A K A Stone (#1137)
Red Jones is a goober that added nothing to the conversation. You're just a goober.
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#1140. To: A K A Stone (#1130)
If the entire planet flooded then surely some parts of Montana would have been underwater. I was being facetious by naming "Montana" specifically, but you do realise that much of Nevada and Utah used to be underwater don't you? Millions of years ago, still salt there, people race rocket cars on it.
And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush
#1141. To: RickyJ (#1113)
Thank You. Some people hate me for it. Others just shrug their shoulders and think im some kind of idiot.
I like reading your posts for the truth brother. You are doing a good work here.
If you hate the American people, your going to really love their government.
#1142. To: 82Marine89 (#1129)
Just for the sake of proof .. :P
I will pull some out of my album tomorrow and scan them. [:{)
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#1143. To: Zipporah (#1138)
See post #1096.
Say what??
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#1144. To: Diana (#1119)
If he doesn't get it after reading that, it means he simply does not want to or is incapable of understanding. What's so hard to understand. God said it was a sin.
Excellent post, very well explained, but I'm afraid it will go over his head.
If you hate the American people, your going to really love their government.
#1145. To: Diana (#1133)
well let me add this to the conversation. Some scientists wanted to find out why fishes & frogs in the mississippi river were being born with both gender features. They investigated and found that measurable quantities of pharmaceutical drugs, especially prozac exist in the mississippi river. they made some water as an experiment that had the same quantity of prozac in it as the mississippi river, then they grew fish in that water, the fish were born with both gender features, just like in the miss river. Consider also, female hormones are in the meat supply of the US, and yet it is to have no effect we say.
#1146. To: A K A Stone (#1141)
Actually, I cock my head sideways and say, "What the f*ck?"
Others just shrug their shoulders and think im some kind of idiot.
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#1147. To: 82Marine89 (#1124)
That's not true.
Normal is a state of mind made up by insecure people so they wouldn't have to be different.
If you hate the American people, your going to really love their government.
#1148. To: Dakmar (#1127)
That is part of the curse. You know from the fall of adam and eve in the garden of eden. I think it is telling of us how we treat those people.
Does God make some people blind, or schizophrenic, or are those normal too?
If you hate the American people, your going to really love their government.
#1149. To: A K A Stone (#1147)
Yes, it is.
That's not true.
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#1150. To: 82Marine89 (#1149)
(hmm wondering how many - > Yes, it is.. No, it's not .. will follow?)
Yes, it is.
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#1151. To: A K A Stone (#1148)
So you don't think they are normal?
I think it is telling of us how we treat those people.
And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush
#1152. To: Zipporah, A K A Stone (#1044)
Nothing wrong with it. From Gods perfect word. Then answer this if it is His perfect word as it is translated in the KJV why would God command people to kill? That right there is one of the things that has bothered me the most about the bible. Supposedly God knows everything past, present and future. I do not understand why he would have invented the Caananties only to order the Jews to kill them. That makes no sense at all to me, for God to order people to kill when one of his commandments says not to kill. I'm glad you brought up that point Zip.
To: A K A Stone
#1153. To: Zipporah (#1150)
That is funny.
It's a beautiful day in this neighborhood, a beautiful day for a neighbor, would you be mine, could you be mine....
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#1154. To: ALL (#1150)
#1155. To: christine (#1154)
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#1156. To: Zipporah, 82marine89 (#1117)
I just want an answer. No one who opposes my views has the guts to acknowledge that that is the logical conclusion.
This is nonsense.. you've only posted this a zillion times.. why do you want to taunt someone? You know there is such a thing as winning the battle but losing the war.
If you hate the American people, your going to really love their government.
#1157. To: Zipporah (#1155)
hahahahahahahaaha!!!
#1158. To: 82Marine89 (#1153)
Kind of fitting LOL!
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#1159. To: Zipporah (#1128)
consider that one. Two homosexuals can't produce any fruit.
They will know christians by their fruit.
If you hate the American people, your going to really love their government.
#1160. To: 82Marine89, christine, A K A Stone, Dakmar (#1054)
Stone: He was a king. That wasn't much of an answer for me either!
christine: has anyone here ever researched just who King James was?
#1161. To: Diana (#1133)
Lots of girls play with trucks and boys play with dolls at a young age. That doesn't make them gay does it? Just like every geek doesn't engage in homosexual acts.
I knew of a case where a boy was born without testicles but had a penis, and had ovaries inside. The parents didn't do anything, and by the time he was 2 years old he wanted to play with dolls and other girl's toys, and wear girls clothes. He felt like a girl. I don't know what happened to that child but it was a very sad situation as he looked like a boy but felt like a girl.
If you hate the American people, your going to really love their government.
#1162. To: A K A Stone (#1159)
now that was funny. :P
Two homosexuals can't produce any fruit.
#1163. To: Zipporah (#1138)
Say what?? What you don't think that was funny?
No a thrown.....because God is going to throw it into some lake.
If you hate the American people, your going to really love their government.
#1164. To: A K A Stone (#1156)
If you say there is a gay gene, then there must be a straight jean. There is also the boot-cut gene and the bell bottom. With all these genes and so much confusion, I now know why I wear shorts.
I just want an answer. No one who opposes my views has the guts to acknowledge that that is the logical conclusion.
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#1165. To: 82Marine89 (#1135)
Nah, I have attack dogs.
Do you sleep with one eye open and the lights on?
If you hate the American people, your going to really love their government.
#1166. To: A K A Stone (#1161)
that's right..just ignore the fact that the child had the sexual organs of both male and female--probably the hormones of both too. damn him/her for choosing that!
#1167. To: 82Marine89 (#1146)
Oh really. Well don't cock it to far sideways. You might hurt yourself. Then who will I debate with. :)
Actually, I cock my head sideways and say, "What the f*ck?"
If you hate the American people, your going to really love their government.
#1168. To: A K A Stone (#1156)
I think youre coming to the wrong conclusion.
I just want an answer. No one who opposes my views has the guts to acknowledge that that is the logical conclusion.
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#1169. To: 82Marine89 (#1149)
Yes, it is. Prove it.
That's not true.
If you hate the American people, your going to really love their government.
#1170. To: 82Marine89 (#1164)
With all these genes and so much confusion, I now know why I wear shorts. LOL!
There is also the boot-cut gene and the bell bottom.
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#1171. To: Zipporah (#1150)
Are you an oracle?
(hmm wondering how many - > Yes, it is.. No, it's not .. will follow?
If you hate the American people, your going to really love their government.
#1172. To: Dakmar (#1151)
Part of them is normal. Other parts are probably damaged.
So you don't think they are normal?
If you hate the American people, your going to really love their government.
#1173. To: A K A Stone (#1092)
Do you remember when you made the choice to be strait?
#1174. To: Diana (#1152)
I'm glad you brought up that point Zip. God gave them free will. They chose evil. Just like people choose to be gay. So they were smitten.
That right there is one of the things that has bothered me the most about the bible. Supposedly God knows everything past, present and future. I do not understand why he would have invented the Caananties only to order the Jews to kill them. That makes no sense at all to me, for God to order people to kill when one of his commandments says not to kill.
If you hate the American people, your going to really love their government.
#1175. To: Diana (#1160)
That wasn't much of an answer for me either! I'll have more on that at another time. Stay tuned.
Stone: He was a king.
If you hate the American people, your going to really love their government.
#1176. To: 82Marine89 (#1164)
With all these genes and so much confusion, I now know why I wear shorts. I didn't say there was a gay gene. I said that if you believe in a gay gene. Wouldn't it run in the family. Wouldn't you be a carrier since it runs in your family. It's nothing to be ashamed of according to you. So how about just answering the question. I always answer all of your questions.
If you say there is a gay gene, then there must be a straight jean. There is also the boot-cut gene and the bell bottom.
If you hate the American people, your going to really love their government.
#1177. To: A K A Stone (#1169)
Think about it... Normal is a state of mind made up by insecure people so they wouldn't have to be different. If you are 'normal', then you are just like everyone else and it keeps your mind at ease. If you think you are not normal, then you start to worry about how people perceive you. You do your best to fit in. You try to be 'normal' just like everyone else.
Prove it.
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#1178. To: christine (#1166)
I didn't damn anyone. I just pointed out what the Bible said.
that's right..just ignore the fact that the child had the sexual organs of both male and female--probably the hormones of both too. damn him/her for choosing that!
If you hate the American people, your going to really love their government.
#1179. To: Diana, A K A Stone (#1173)
When he broke up with his boyfriend?
Do you remember when you made the choice to be strait?
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#1180. To: Zipporah (#1168)
How so. If you are born that way. Like some people are saying. Wouldn't you inherit it from your parents. So if someone had a gay sibling. Would they also not be a carrier of this so called gay gene. What about a couple that is normal. And they have a homosexual child. Where did that gene come from. Did it evolve or something.
I think youre coming to the wrong conclusion.
If you hate the American people, your going to really love their government.
#1181. To: Diana (#1152)
I'm glad you brought up that point Zip. Diane.. my point re this is.. the KJV uses the word 'kill'.. when in fact it shouldve been translated 'murder'.. God wouldnt direct people to break his commandments.. so.. the 'perfect' KJV is flawed..
That makes no sense at all to me, for God to order people to kill when one of his commandments says not to kill.
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#1182. To: Diana (#1173)
No I was born normal. Some people get into sin and then build a strong hold around it, and embrace and worship their sin. Doesn't make it not a sin. Do you think people are born murderers or adulturers too. What about former homosexuals?
Do you remember when you made the choice to be strait?
If you hate the American people, your going to really love their government.
#1183. To: A K A Stone (#1180)
I wasnt referring to your posts re a "gay gene".. but rather your reference to people not having the 'guts'..
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#1184. To: 82Marine89 (#1177)
Being normal doesn't mean you are just like everyone else. It is normal to like science fiction movies. Doesn't mean everyone must like them.
If you are 'normal', then you are just like everyone else and it keeps your mind at ease. If you think you are not normal, then you start to worry about how people perceive you. You do your best to fit in. You try to be 'normal' just like everyone else.
If you hate the American people, your going to really love their government.
#1185. To: A K A Stone (#1132)
Yeah, he said he would, but now he doesn't want to. Doesn't matter if it was forged or not, he didn't keep his word. Typical neocon. Like my old buddy Dak once said, "It's pointless to argue with a liar." Case closed.
He did say he would do that. He could forge a copy though.
#1186. To: Diana, A K A Stone (#1078)
Not just hormones, but psuedo-hormones, such as estrogen mimicking compounds found in all pesticides. And not to mention the hormones given to animals. It is a proven fact that in Puerto Rico, where soy consumption involved premature breast development in girls as young as 18 months. And, let's not forget the estrogen mimicking compounds found in soy which have been shown to be detrimental to the sexual development of boys and caused girls to develop puberty signs as early as age 4 when they were given soy formula as infants. Plus, the double-whammy of the mother eating soy foods when pregnant and then giving the child soy based formula. With the great amounts of soy in the many processed foods today, is it any wonder that many of the young men are faggy or girlie men and our society has been feminized? http://www.westonaprice.org/so y/index.html http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/ http://www.mercola.com /2000/aug/20/soy_dangers.htm It's been proven hormones affect people in various ways, that is not junk science.
"The consolidation of the States into one vast empire, sure to be aggressive abroad and despotic at home, will be the certain precursor of ruin which has overwhelmed all that preceded it." General Robert E. Lee
#1187. To: 82Marine89 (#1179)
When he broke up with his boyfriend? No one in my family is homosexual. Now answer the question and I'll give it a rest. Are you a potential carrier of the gay gene. If you were would you want it to be fixed if possible. (I know there isn't a gay gene this is rhetorical)
Do you remember when you made the choice to be strait?
If you hate the American people, your going to really love their government.
#1188. To: Zipporah (#1181)
It's not flawed. It is gods perfect word. Im sorry you don't understand that.
Diane.. my point re this is.. the KJV uses the word 'kill'.. when in fact it shouldve been translated 'murder'.. God wouldnt direct people to break his commandments.. so.. the 'perfect' KJV is flawed..
If you hate the American people, your going to really love their government.
#1189. To: Zipporah (#1183)
Thanks for clearing that up. :)
I wasnt referring to your posts re a "gay gene".. but rather your reference to people not having the 'guts'..
If you hate the American people, your going to really love their government.
#1190. To: A K A Stone (#1178)
did you feel the wind of my point flying over your head? ;)
I didn't damn anyone.
#1191. To: Esso (#1185)
I bet he doesn't post any pics of him in a marine uniform either. I wouldn't blame him though, with all us crazies out here.
Yeah, he said he would, but now he doesn't want to. Doesn't matter if it was forged or not, he didn't keep his word. Typical neocon. Like my old buddy Dak once said, "It's pointless to argue with a liar." Case closed.
If you hate the American people, your going to really love their government.
#1192. To: BTP Holdings (#1186)
I think it has more to do with developement rather than being faggity or whatever.. also these things are implicated in low sperm count.. and maybe man breasts? :P 
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#1193. To: A K A Stone (#1187)
If your quetion is rhetorical, why do you want a response? A rhetorical question is one asked solely to produce an effect rather than to elicit a reply.
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#1194. To: A K A Stone (#1188)
Okay then why not read it in the original Hebrew then if you want to read God's perfect word.. the word that shouldve been used in English is MURDER not kill.. otherwise God would be telling people in the OT to break his commandments and God would not do that now would he?
It's not flawed. It is gods perfect word. Im sorry you don't understand that.
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#1195. To: 82Marine89 (#1193)
Because you are talking out of both sides of your mouth.
If your quetion is rhetorical, why do you want a response? A rhetorical question is one asked solely to produce an effect rather than to elicit a reply.
If you hate the American people, your going to really love their government.
#1196. To: A K A Stone (#1013)
On 2005-12-06 21:39:03, A K A Stone wrote: To: Zipporah, mirage Oh I will. I was just trying to show some inconsistencies in the "other bibles". It is my opinion that satan uses them to confuse us. So people like mirage can use them to say the Bible isn't reliable. AKA and Red are the most DIE THREAD, DIE~!!
Zipporah wrote: No point in arguing this with you.. go ahead and read the KJV .. LOL
dimwitted, stubborn, ornery, jackasses "unusual" people I've encountered in a good long time. Either they are both yankin' our legs BIG TIME & laughing OUT LOUD at our attempts to dance to their tunes or they both need some SERIOUS HELP... A clue: I noticed that when folks show that they were tired of it, they got weirder. LOL... Either way, it's gotten old... so I will join in the call
Don't force feed me your views... talk to me so I can hear you...
#1197. To: Zipporah (#1194)
Has this place gone PC. You can't say homosexuality is a sin anymore. Why change the name of an article that was written by another person. We can just make up titles now for other peoples articles?
If you hate the American people, your going to really love their government.
#1198. To: Zipporah (#1136)
I don't know, but I heard his parents brought him to the beach once, and he threw a fit and was very unhappy because he wanted to wear a little girl's bikini and not a boy's swimming trunks like he was wearing. He must be about 14 now, I wonder what ever became of him. He probably got bullied something horrible by the other normal boys, as boys tend to do that around the ages of 10-14 when they suspect another boy is not masculine enough.
Did he want to put wheels on dolls and turn them into a truck? :P
#1199. To: A K A Stone (#1195)
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#1200. To: siagiah (#1196)
Truth hurt?
DIE THREAD, DIE~!!
If you hate the American people, your going to really love their government.
#1201. To: siagiah (#1196)
ROFL!! Well we thought if the name changed .. :P
DIE THREAD, DIE~!!
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#1202. To: 82Marine89 (#1199)
You still didn't answer the question.
If you hate the American people, your going to really love their government.
#1203. To: Diana (#1198)
Have I won a convert. You said normal boys. :)
He probably got bullied something horrible by the other normal boys
If you hate the American people, your going to really love their government.
#1204. To: Diana (#1198)
I saw a very weird documentary about a boy that was basically butchered during circumcision.. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/tvradio/programmes/horizon/dr_money_trans.shtml What Dr John Money did to those kids was horrible.. he was a protege of Kinsey.. I wondered after I saw the documentary if this hadnt happened purposefully as an experiment.. ?
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#1205. To: Zipporah (#1201)
You said the other day that you have to put correct name in articles titles. Why the name change. That is not right. Pretty PC.
ROFL!! Well we thought if the name changed .. :P
If you hate the American people, your going to really love their government.
#1206. To: A K A Stone (#1205)
It was a joke.. plain and simple.. we'll change it back..
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#1207. To: Zipporah (#1201)
It's like someone couldn't win the argument. So they just changed the name. Sheesh.
ROFL!! Well we thought if the name changed .. :P
If you hate the American people, your going to really love their government.
#1208. To: Zipporah (#1206)
Ok..Joke on me.
It was a joke.. plain and simple.. we'll change it back..
If you hate the American people, your going to really love their government.
#1209. To: Zipporah (#1201)
You can't imagine my startle when I saw the new, "improved" name of this post under my PINGS... multiple times... giggle... Naturally, I HAD to investigate... Was that an attempt to kill it? or to hide it... tee hee...
ROFL!! Well we thought if the name changed .. :P
Don't force feed me your views... talk to me so I can hear you...
#1210. To: A K A Stone (#1202)
What was the question again?
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#1211. To: A K A Stone, 82Marine89, Diana (#1182)
And a quote for your enjoyment: “The adjuration to be "normal" seems shockingly repellent to me; I see neither hope nor comfort in sinking to that low level. I think it is ignorance that makes people think of abnormality only with horror and allows them to remain undismayed at the proximity of "normal" to average and mediocre. For surely anyone who achieves anything is, essentially, abnormal.” Dr. Karl Menninger, “The Human Mind", 1930
Normal
"The consolidation of the States into one vast empire, sure to be aggressive abroad and despotic at home, will be the certain precursor of ruin which has overwhelmed all that preceded it." General Robert E. Lee
#1212. To: Zipporah (#1206)
I'll look some more into your murder kill question. It deserves a good response. I will get back to you in more detail when I have time to research it more. You are smart and fun to debate with.
If you hate the American people, your going to really love their government.
#1213. To: A K A Stone, christine (#1207)
You just noticed this?? As I said it was an attempt at humor.. re titles.. the reason its of concern is because news articles from news sources ..the authors have issues about their material ..and as I said we'll change it back..
It's like someone couldn't win the argument. So they just changed the name. Sheesh.
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#1214. To: 82Marine89 (#1210)
Your being disengenious
What was the question again?
If you hate the American people, your going to really love their government.
#1215. To: A K A Stone (#1212)
That was what I was attempting to bring to your attention.. if it truly the word kill then it would in fact be saying that God had told the Israelites to break his commandments.. Of course Im smart and fun.. you just noticed that too? :P
I'll look some more into your murder kill question. It deserves a good response. I will get back to you in more detail when I have time to research it more. You are smart and fun to debate with.
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#1216. To: Zipporah (#1213)
Yes I just saw it. I was gone for an hour or so. I was just doing latest posts trying to catch up and answer all the questions. It took a while.
You just noticed this?? As I said it was an attempt at humor.. re titles.. the reason its of concern is because news articles from news sources ..the authors have issues about their material ..and as I said we'll change it back..
If you hate the American people, your going to really love their government.
#1217. To: A K A Stone (#1214)
I thought we'd cleared up the issue of your vs you're??
Don't force feed me your views... talk to me so I can hear you...
#1218. To: siagiah (#1209)
An attempt at humor .. and this pic should always be included.. :P Was that an attempt to kill it? or to hide it... tee hee...
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#1219. To: Zipporah (#1215)
Of course Im smart and fun.. you just noticed that too? :P I pretty much just see it like this. They became an extension of God to smite the evil people. They weren't supposed to kill on their own.
That was what I was attempting to bring to your attention.. if it truly the word kill then it would in fact be saying that God had told the Israelites to break his commandments..
If you hate the American people, your going to really love their government.
#1220. To: siagiah (#1217)
I know the difference. Sometimes when I type I just get in a hurry. I try to type to fast. I can type 50 or 60 wpm.
I thought we'd cleared up the issue of your vs you're??
If you hate the American people, your going to really love their government.
#1221. To: A K A Stone (#1216)
Once I'm sure you're comfortable with your vs you're, we'll move on to their vs there vs they're. Now THAT'S a mouthful!
Don't force feed me your views... talk to me so I can hear you...
#1222. To: Dakmar (#1073)
Me too :) I follow the standard of "Let your conscience be your guide for no man can be blamed for what he does in good conscience." After that, let the chips fall where they may! I've already had to defend myself in front of a panel while in school. Their comment was that I acquitted myself quite well. That's high praise from a pack of priests!
I believe in putting all silly beliefs on the table.
#1223. To: siagiah (#1217)
you're you are your as in ownership
If you hate the American people, your going to really love their government.
#1224. To: A K A Stone (#1214)
I'll tell you what. If God made it so I carry a gay gene, then so be it. It doesn't effect my masculinity one iota. If one of my children or grandchildren is born gay, I will still love them and so will my God. As for being "fixed", no. I wouldn't change a thing because that is how God wanted me.
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#1225. To: siagiah (#1221)
Oh man. You had me laughing. I know they're and their. I just have one question though. Why is THAT's capitalized?
Once I'm sure you're comfortable with your vs you're, we'll move on to their vs there vs they're. Now THAT'S a mouthful!
If you hate the American people, your going to really love their government.
#1226. To: A K A Stone (#1219)
Then why not adultery.. theft.. taking God's name in vain.. coveting your neighbors wife.. (hmm no mention of husbands though :P ) ..etc etc??
I pretty much just see it like this. They became an extension of God to smite the evil people. They weren't supposed to kill on their own.
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#1227. To: siagiah (#1221)
Please refrain from such terminology on "gay" threads.
Now THAT'S a mouthful!
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#1228. To: 82Marine89 (#1224)
I don't think you carry a gay gene. Was just trying to make a point. Thanks for the answer.
I'll tell you what. If God made it so I carry a gay gene, then so be it. It doesn't effect my masculinity one iota. If one of my children or grandchildren is born gay, I will still love them and so will my God. As for being "fixed", no. I wouldn't change a thing because that is how God wanted me.
If you hate the American people, your going to really love their government.
#1229. To: 82Marine89, siagiah (#1227)
Please refrain from such terminology on "gay" threads. ROFL!! Interesting choice of words Cath!! :P
Now THAT'S a mouthful!
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#1230. To: All (#1221)
Damn, we'll get to to vs too vs two next week~!! (that's damn, not dam btw) Since you brought it up, I type 120 wpm and manage to spell correctly 99.74% of the time. Why not just ask God to help you. With all the attention you're bringing to her sacred words, the LEAST she can do is give you some more speed and accuracy with yours.
Don't force feed me your views... talk to me so I can hear you...
#1231. To: Zipporah (#1226)
Because those aren't acts of judgement. That's the short answer. Stay tuned for more in depth coverage.
Then why not adultery.. theft.. taking God's name in vain.. coveting your neighbors wife.. (hmm no mention of husbands though :P ) ..etc etc??
If you hate the American people, your going to really love their government.
#1232. To: 82Marine89 (#1227)
Please refrain from such terminology on "gay" threads A while back on this thread you said you had your head COCKED. I let it slide.
Now THAT'S a mouthful!
If you hate the American people, your going to really love their government.
#1233. To: siagiah (#1230)
I went to the College of Hunt and Peck and use a spell-checker.
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#1234. To: A K A Stone (#1231)
They could be.. spreading around the seeds of faith? :P
Because those aren't acts of judgement. That's the short answer. Stay tuned for more in depth coverage.
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#1235. To: siagiah (#1230)
Since you brought it up, I type 120 wpm and manage to spell correctly 99.74% of the time. Why not just ask God to help you. With all the attention you're bringing to her sacred words, the LEAST she can do is give you some more speed and accuracy with yours. You're fast. You must work in an office. I just had one year of typing in High Schoo. Oh and God is male. He made adam in his image. Jesus also refers to him as father.
Damn, we'll get to to vs too vs two next week~!! (that's damn, not dam btw)
If you hate the American people, your going to really love their government.
#1236. To: A K A Stone (#1090)
Suggested reading material: Oh that explains a lot. You have been turned off by a bunch of fakers.
#1237. To: 82Marine89 (#1233)
That is a lot of work, to put every post through a spell checker. Maybe there is one built in Firefox or an extension for it. Anyone have a clue.
I went to the College of Hunt and Peck and use a spell-checker.
If you hate the American people, your going to really love their government.
#1238. To: A K A Stone (#1220)
One thing I hope is that you are not getting your readings out of the Schofield Reference Bible. That is the creation of exactly the type of person you are talking about. A lying, convicted felon, womanizer with ties to the Illuminati (which has plenty of queers and pedophiles amongst its membertship.) Are you a believer in the dispensational doctrine and its pre trib "Rapture"? If you are than I would advise that you trade your Bible in for a plain King James without all the Schofield/Illuminati "footnotes".
#1239. To: A K A Stone (#1235)
Publik skool?
I just had one year of typing in High Schoo.
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#1240. To: A K A Stone (#1225)
To AKA Stone: Once I'm sure you're comfortable with your vs you're, we'll move on to their vs there vs they're. Now THAT'S a mouthful! To: siagiah Oh man. You had me laughing. I know they're and their. I just have one question though. Why is THAT's capitalized? Why indeed? Well, I'll tell you why. I capitalized it for EMPHASIS. I like EMPHASIS. Say the word out loud with FEELING. It's a POWERFUL word. EMPHASIS~!! and secondly, because the spirit moved me to do it. I can't explain it. A feeling came over me that said (in a POWERFUL voice full of EMPHASIS) Sia, you must capitalize THAT'S for EMPHASIS... praise the lord~!!
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#1241. To: mirage (#1236)
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If you hate the American people, your going to really love their government.
#1242. To: A K A Stone (#1235)
God is neither male nor female.. Adam was made in his image not because he was male .. it had to do with his SPIRIT.. What do you think the name El Shaddai is referring to? One of the names of God?
Oh and God is male. He made adam in his image. Jesus also refers to him as father.
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#1243. To: A K A Stone (#1237)
It's built into my IE. I'd share it, but I enjoy laughing at you.
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#1244. To: A K A Stone (#1235)
Damn, we'll get to to vs too vs two next week~!! (that's damn, not dam btw) Since you brought it up, I type 120 wpm and manage to spell correctly 99.74% of the time. Why not just ask God to help you. With all the attention you're bringing to her sacred words, the LEAST she can do is give you some more speed and accuracy with yours. You're fast. You must work in an office. I just had one year of typing in High Schoo. Oh and God is male. He made adam in his image. Jesus also refers to him as father. Actually, I work in a hospital emergency room treating all the unfortunates who've CLEARLY pissed God off. I can tell that God's angry with them because not only are they sick or injured, but they are forced to PAY for their healing too~!!
To: siagiah
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#1245. To: A K A Stone (#1241)
Too funny. The link worked for me, but then again, Amazon gets a lot of my money anyhow. Try this link if you want to see about this book. If that doesn't work, just search Amazon for a book entitled "Where we got the Bible" and it'll pop up with this one written by an Anglican Priest.
#1246. To: Coral Snake (#1238)
Put down the pipe.
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#1247. To: Coral Snake (#1238)
No I don't use a schofield Bible. I never even owned one. Read part of it before. It has that Gap theory in genesis. I used to believe in the rapture. Now I don't. Mainly because of Matthew Chapter 24. There is no rapture mentioned their. Jesus said pray that your flight is not in the winter. Why would he ask you to pray that if you were going to be raptured out. I think there is a "rapture if you will" calling up at the end, after the last trump. Judgement day and the so called rapture are the same event. That is the conclusion I have come to.
One thing I hope is that you are not getting your readings out of the Schofield Reference Bible. That is the creation of exactly the type of person you are talking about. A lying, convicted felon, womanizer with ties to the Illuminati (which has plenty of queers and pedophiles amongst its membertship.) Are you a believer in the dispensational doctrine and its pre trib "Rapture"? If you are than I would advise that you trade your Bible in for a plain King James without all the Schofield/Illuminati "footnotes".
If you hate the American people, your going to really love their government.
#1248. To: 82Marine89 (#1227)
Now THAT'S a mouthful! To: siagiah Please refrain from such terminology on "gay" threads. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to get anyone excited... giggle... just having some fun playing with words...
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#1249. To: Coral Snake (#1238)
Scofield certainly was an interesting person wasn't he? Have you read the book Scofield and His Incredible Book? Not an easy read but well documented.. its online I think.
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#1250. To: 82Marine89 (#1239)
Yep. But my kids don't go to no government school.
Publik skool?
If you hate the American people, your going to really love their government.
#1251. To: Zipporah (#1242)
I think God has a body. I think there is reference to it in the Bible. Tell me about your fancy word.
God is neither male nor female.. Adam was made in his image not because he was male .. it had to do with his SPIRIT.. What do you think the name El Shaddai is referring to? One of the names of God?
If you hate the American people, your going to really love their government.
#1252. To: A K A Stone (#1247)
That's because He knew the airlines watered down the de-icing agents.
Jesus said pray that your flight is not in the winter.
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#1253. To: Zipporah, coral snake (#1249)
I inherited a Dakes Bible. What are your thoughts on it. I don't think much of it. At least the footnotes.
Scofield certainly was an interesting person wasn't he? Have you read the book Scofield and His Incredible Book? Not an easy read but well documented.. its online I think
If you hate the American people, your going to really love their government.
#1254. To: A K A Stone (#1250)
Please tell me they're not home schooled.
Yep. But my kids don't go to no government school.
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#1255. To: 82Marine89 (#1252)
So you believe in prophecy now? How would he have known about airplanes thousands of years ago if he wasn't God?
That's because He knew the airlines watered down the de-icing agents.
If you hate the American people, your going to really love their government.
#1256. To: 82Marine89 (#1233)
LIKE O MI GOD... the language on this thread is getting sooo.. sooo... VILE and smutty~!! Hunt rhymes with... and checker rhymes with... and Peck is a kissin' cousin to... What would MR RODGERS THINK?????
To: siagiah I went to the College of Hunt and Peck and use a spell-checker.
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#1257. To: siagiah (#1256)
WWMRD?
What would MR RODGERS THINK?????
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#1258. To: 82Marine89 (#1254)
Please tell me they're not home schooled. Why are you one of those it takes a village people? Actually we homeschooled our oldest daughter for kindergarten. She was very shy. Not anymore. No they go to a Christian school.
Yep. But my kids don't go to no government school.
If you hate the American people, your going to really love their government.
#1259. To: A K A Stone (#1247)
Then I take it you have a Postmellenial or Amellenial view. (All of the Premellenial versions, Pre Trib, Mid trib, Pre Wrath and Post Trib Separate the Ressurection/Translation (the event the dispensationalists call the "Rapture") and the Judgement Day by 1000 years.
#1260. To: Coral Snake (#1259)
Tell me more about this thousand years.
If you hate the American people, your going to really love their government.
#1261. To: A K A Stone (#1253)
I had a friend that used Dakes.. IMO it's not much different than the Scofield.. the notes.. are problematic.. its fine to have references to other scriptures etc.. and you have an issue w/Roman Catholics.. now is it much different using someone else's interpretation of scripture.. telling you what to believe about passages??
I inherited a Dakes Bible. What are your thoughts on it. I don't think much of it. At least the footnotes.
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#1262. To: A K A Stone (#1144)
Some people are born with sexual deformaties, others with a tendency towards schizophrenia, diabetes, even alcoholism. They don't choose to have these problems, though granted some of them are more socially frowned upon than others.
What's so hard to understand. God said it was a sin.
#1263. To: Zipporah (#1261)
I agree it was very similar to schofield. I agree the Notes are problematic. I look at it this way. NO WAY THEY GOT THEM ALL RIGHT. No man can know everything about the Bible and have 100 percent correct interpretations of everything.
I had a friend that used Dakes.. IMO it's not much different than the Scofield.. the notes.. are problematic.. its fine to have references to other scriptures etc.. and you have an issue w/Roman Catholics.. now is it much different using someone else's interpretation of scripture.. telling you what to believe about passages??
If you hate the American people, your going to really love their government.
#1264. To: 82Marine89 (#1257)
To: siagiah WWMRD? Indeed... what WOULD MR do? He might begin by putting on his sweater and tying his shoes... No need to be chilled or to stub his toe is there?
What would MR RODGERS THINK?????
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#1265. To: Diana (#1262)
They don't choose to have these problems, though granted some of them are more socially frowned upon than others. The Bible does say something about iniquities ..... to a certain number of generations.
Some people are born with sexual deformaties, others with a tendency towards schizophrenia, diabetes, even alcoholism.
If you hate the American people, your going to really love their government.
#1266. To: A K A Stone (#1253)
I usually stay away from footnotes even though the Bible I have (The Hebrew-Greek Key Study Bible) has them. They are just too full of the ideas of Schofield, Wescott and Hort. I say learn to tranlate the Old English of the King James with a Strong's Concordance (probably the LEAST corrupt Bible study tool) and let the Bible speak for itself.
#1267. To: All (#1264)
Can't do GOD'S work with a stubbed toe (or high heels btw... too hard to run from all the ruffians trying to stifle the good word)
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#1268. To: Coral Snake (#1266)
I agree with that.
let the Bible speak for itself.
If you hate the American people, your going to really love their government.
#1269. To: A K A Stone (#1258)
How many years in kindergarten did YOU have??? Do they speak English there or only in tongues?
Why are you one of those it takes a village people? Actually we homeschooled our oldest daughter for kindergarten. She was very shy. Not anymore. No they go to a Christian school.
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#1270. To: Red Jones (#1145)
I find it odd how doctors all over the country practically push drugs like prozac on people. I've thought the pharmaceutical companies must be making a lot of profit off of those drugs, or there could be some other reason they want so many people to take them. On the other hand, if people are in terrible pain, they are lucky if their doctor gives them a few pills, like 8 or 10 tylenol #3s (which is probably dirt-cheap). In many countries in Europe they have bans on American beef because of the hormones, over there they recognise it as a health hazard.
they made some water as an experiment that had the same quantity of prozac in it as the mississippi river, then they grew fish in that water, the fish were born with both gender features, just like in the miss river.
#1271. To: A K A Stone (#1251)
It's not a fancy word.. it's one of the names of God in scripture.. El means God (almighty) and shaddai is derived from the word for breast..
I think God has a body. I think there is reference to it in the Bible. Tell me about your fancy word.
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#1272. To: siagiah (#1269)
Only in Tongues of course. English is frowned upon.
How many years in kindergarten did YOU have??? Do they speak English there or only in tongues?
If you hate the American people, your going to really love their government.
#1273. To: Zipporah (#1271)
I just wasn't familar with that word. Didn't want to go back and see how it was spelled. So fancy got the point across. By the way men have breasts too.
It's not a fancy word.. it's one of the names of God in scripture.. El means God (almighty) and shaddai is derived from the word for breast..
If you hate the American people, your going to really love their government.
#1274. To: A K A Stone (#1263)
Also consider there were and are political agendas..
I look at it this way. NO WAY THEY GOT THEM ALL RIGHT.
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#1275. To: Zipporah (#1274)
Agreed.
Also consider there were and are political agendas..
If you hate the American people, your going to really love their government.
#1276. To: A K A Stone (#1273)
Really??
The name has to do with providing ..nurture.. as in a woman breast feeding.. God
the provider..
By the way men have breasts too.
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#1277. To: A K A Stone (#1272)
To AKA Stone: How many years in kindergarten did YOU have??? Do they speak English there or only in tongues? To: siagiah Only in Tongues of course. English is frowned upon. Excellent... it's about time that schools recognized the evil in speaking English. If they'd just left the bible in HEWBREW, we'd have nothing to argue about here~!!! It's those damn ENGLISH that caused it all. Translating and twisting the words of God. Btw, you do realize that we are probably gonna get a lickin' for talking about tongues in a gay thread?
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#1278. To: A K A Stone (#1148)
Does God make some people blind, or schizophrenic, or are those normal too? That is part of the curse. You know from the fall of adam and eve in the garden of eden. I think it is telling of us how we treat those people. On that we agree, I think. It's our duty to lend a hand and to pray that they may be healed, and to be kind when others in their ignorance are cruel.
To: Dakmar
#1279. To: siagiah (#1277)
brat :P
Btw, you do realize that we are probably gonna get a lickin' for talking about tongues in a gay thread?
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#1280. To: Zipporah (#1279)
Hey, it's a dirty job but SOMEONE has to do it~!! btw, have you noticed how sore your leg is?
brat :P
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#1281. To: siagiah (#1280)
btw, have you noticed how sore your leg is? Should I ask?? LOL No Cath I've not noticed ...
Hey, it's a dirty job but SOMEONE has to do it~!!
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#1282. To: Zipporah (#1281)
Aw Lois, someone's been YANKIN' our legs just about out of their sockets~!! Someone too weird to live and too rare to die... tee hee...
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#1283. To: A K A Stone (#1260)
What is supposed to happen during this 1000 years. mentioned ONLY ONCE toward the end of the the Book of Revelation is one of the things that turned me off to Premellenialism (though NOT to Christianity) at least the way the Schofieldian dispensationalists interpret it because it simpy does not make sense. Basically it starts with Jesus's returning, binding Satan and throwing him in the oart of Hell known as the Bottomless Pit and ruling over the thousand year period as a glorified human king in a temple/palace where old style Jewish animal sacrifice and other aspects of the Law of Moses and Talnudic Law are supposed to continue. (This completely repudiates Jesus's own sacrifice which was to END ALL BLOOD SACRIFICE as a neccessity for pleasing God.) When this thousand years is up Jesus RELEASES SATAN and ALLOWS ONE MORE SINFUL REBELLION before the Final Judgement and the Kingdom of God being renewed in its Eternal form.
#1284. To: A K A Stone, 82Marine89 (#1176)
Actually they think it's the result not of a gene, but an improper ratio of hormones that floods the fetus during a specific period of gestation which ends up messing with their gender.
I didn't say there was a gay gene. I said that if you believe in a gay gene. Wouldn't it run in the family. Wouldn't you be a carrier since it runs in your family.
#1285. To: A K A Stone, zipporah (#0)
Serial killers, government tyrants, academic liberals, Catholic priests, politicians, Mormon Church higher-ups, Jewish rabbis, environmental extremists, communists, religious heretics, mass murderers, occultists, spies, and the Illuminati share something hideous and grotesque in common. Almost all are homo-sexual. Worse, most of the sick-minded men who comprise these demented social groups are not only homosexual, they practice the most kinky and perverted forms of sexual licentiousness-pedophilia, satanic bondage, physical torture, bisexuality, transvestitism, and even bestiality. !!!!!!"they practice the most kinky and perverted forms of sexual licentiousness-pedophilia, satanic bondage, physical torture, bisexuality, transvestitism, and even bestiality. " I stand in awe!! (Could you elaborate on the beastality??,) O never mind, Old Yeller just died, what about the anamial necrophillia, then?? (Retorical)
The homosexual activist movement and organized pedophiles are linked together by a common goal: To gain access to children for seduction into homosexuality.
#1286. To: siagiah (#1282)
If not I'm extremely concerned :P
Aw Lois, someone's been YANKIN' our legs just about out of their sockets~!! Someone too weird to live and too rare to die... tee hee..
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#1287. To: Coral Snake (#1283)
Absolutely.. and is in direct contradiction with Hebrews chapter 9..
This completely repudiates Jesus's own sacrifice which was to END ALL BLOOD SACRIFICE as a neccessity for pleasing God.)
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#1288. To: A K A Stone, christine (#1178)
that's right..just ignore the fact that the child had the sexual organs of both male and female--probably the hormones of both too. damn him/her for choosing that! I didn't damn anyone. I just pointed out what the Bible said. At that point the kid was not old enough to be gay or strait, last I saw him he was around 2. The point in this case is that the child was born with both male and female parts to him, which is a birth defect. He did not make the choice to be born deformed, so I fail to see how the bible would damn him for being born deformed.
To: christine
#1289. To: Diana (#1288)
That child couldnt be depicted as homosexual ..
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#1290. To: Diana (#1284)
AKA Stone: I didn't say there was a gay gene. I said that if you believe in a gay gene. Wouldn't it run in the family. Wouldn't you be a carrier since it runs in your family. To: A K A Stone, 82Marine89 Actually they think it's the result not of a gene, but an improper ratio of hormones that floods the fetus during a specific period of gestation which ends up messing with their gender. Actually, new interpretations of Matthew, Mark, and Luke Perry strongly suggest that a fetus CHOOSES to be gender challenged and gay long before birth PROVING that it's life CHOICE! In the book of Peter, Paul, & Mary, it CLEARLY states that it is a woman's right to choose to abort that damned little misfit!! After all, why should she carry that fetus to term after it chose to be a sinner? Is it her fault? NOooooooo...
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#1291. To: Diana (#1288)
so I fail to see how the bible would damn him for being born deformed. YEE BE BESPOKE TO BE BURNED AT THE FIRE OF TRUTH.... What suckers modern peoples are. In SO many ways.
so I fail to see how the bible would damn him for being born deformed.
#1292. To: Zipporah (#1249)
I've been reading up on Albert Pike, Giuseppe Mazzini, Cyrus Ingerson Schofield (his full name) Cecil Rhodes and all the figures of the early formation of the New World Order in the 19th and early 20th centuries. My new 00-Hotherp reports are deisgned to supply this info in simplified form that can be commented on for the folks here and at Foil if it remains. Maybe there will be some Song parodies in this too. (I think my 19th century song updates are perfect for dealing with these persons "Doug from Upland" style.)
#1293. To: Zipporah (#1181)
It still seems odd to me that God would direct anyone to kill others, especially a whole group of people. It's one of those things in the bible that doesn't compute to me.
the KJV uses the word 'kill'.. when in fact it shouldve been translated 'murder'.. God wouldnt direct people to break his commandments.. so.. the 'perfect' KJV is flawed..
#1294. To: Diana (#1288)
Chapters in Matthew, Mark, and Luke Perry CLEARLY state that the sins of the father will be thrust onto their descendents for generations. It is plain to see that his grandfather is a sinner and should be put to death IMMEDIATELY, if not sooner. Surely, he's a closet pervert who tortures ants and daddy long legs by pulling off their legs one by one!!!
The point in this case is that the child was born with both male and female parts to him, which is a birth defect. He did not make the choice to be born deformed, so I fail to see how the bible would damn him for being born deformed.
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#1295. To: Zipporah (#1293)
In fact since God knows everything past, present and future, he would have done away with the evil Canaanites by directing an earthquake in their area or something. But for him to order his people to kill, just makes no sense to me because he's getting them to sin, blood on their hands.
#1296. To: Zipporah (#1289)
I doubt the child in question would be able to practice any sex at all as an adult. In these cases neither "set" is usually functional.
#1297. To: Zipporah (#1295)
I believe it's very harmful to the soul to kill. It turns too many into monsters. I still think if God wanted to wipe out those Caananites he should have given them the plague or something.
#1298. To: Diana (#1295)
YOU, Diana, are an advanced Theologian. Of the first order. So go slaughter some sheeps... and throw them off a cliff...
But for him to order his people to kill, just makes no sense to me because he's getting them to sin, blood on their hands.
#1299. To: A K A Stone (#1182)
I have to say I think some people are born to murder, like they have these compulsions to kill where the rest of us don't. That is not to say such people should not be locked up, society needs to be protected from monsters who would harm or kill others.
Do you think people are born murderers
#1300. To: Diana (#1295)
Apparently God doesn't see death in quite the same way HUMANS do. The bible alternately REWARDS and PUNISHES with death. Killing, murder, and slavery are part & parcel of the ways of the lord. We get the "idea" from religious leaders that only the wicked are slain, murdered, or enslaved... But the godly die horrible deaths too and God LETS them. More proof that God is female~!! PMS at its finest hour was hurricane katrina~!!
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#1301. To: Diana (#1297)
It turns too many into monsters. I still think if God wanted to wipe out those Caananites he should have given them the plague or something. The OT has a spiritual meaning for Christians under the new covenant.. the Caananites were symbolic of sin.. sin is to be destroyed in us.. And the Caananites were involved in the most corrupt and vile behavior.. and if they weren't eradicated their sin.. and depravity would corrupt the rest.. We dont have the mind of God.. to understand all his reasoning but basically it was not an evil thing but something that had to take place.. just as with the flood.. Seems that God knows human behavior far better we do.. consider this.. influence never is from the good to the evil but vice versa.
I believe it's very harmful to the soul to kill.
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#1302. To: Coral Snake (#1296)
Actually, that's not really accurate. Neither set will allow for the procreation of CHILDREN but either set can produce pleasurable sexual responses. It's more of a mental sexual confusion factor combined with an inability to reproduce rather than a pleasure factor.
I doubt the child in question would be able to practice any sex at all as an adult. In these cases neither "set" is usually functional.
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#1303. To: tom007 (#1298)
So go slaughter some sheeps... and throw them off a cliff... OY vay... sheep Tom.... SHEEP... that's singular AND plural... Diana, just throw some SHEEP off a cliff... after you slaughter them, of course... but if you'd rather not have their blood ON YOUR HANDS, push 'em off and blame the rocks for killing 'em... Either way gets the deed done... (j/k)
YOU, Diana, are an advanced Theologian. Of the first order.
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#1304. To: Diana (#1297)
It turns too many into monsters. I still think if God wanted to wipe out those Caananites he should have given them the plague or something. Indeed~!! Far better to have them die slow, agonizing deaths anyway with the added benefit of having a clean conscience~!!
I believe it's very harmful to the soul to kill.
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#1305. To: A K A Stone (#1232)
Please refrain from such terminology on "gay" threads A while back on this thread you said you had your head COCKED. I let it slide. Is that a freudian slip? Question: "How many Freudians does it take to change a light bulb?" I apologize. No offense intended to anyone. It is just a play on words. In my feeble defense, I did manage to stay silent for 1000+ posts. I just could not pass on this one though. Shame on me!
Now THAT'S a mouthful!
Answer: "Two! One to turn the bulb and one to hold the penis. Err, ladder."
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#1306. To: Zipporah (#1204)
Kinsey was an evil SOB who molested children. I wouldn't put it past one of his proteges to do such a thing.
What Dr John Money did to those kids was horrible.. he was a protege of Kinsey.. I wondered after I saw the documentary if this hadnt happened purposefully as an experiment.. ?
#1307. To: BTP Holdings (#1211)
Good point! Many great scientists and artists are and have been a bit on the strange side.
For surely anyone who achieves anything is, essentially, abnormal.” Dr. Karl Menninger, “The Human Mind", 1930
#1308. To: markm0722 (#1305)
Don't apologize for having a little fun... it's all in jest. Anyone taking themselves so seriously that they can't appreciate a giggle now and then needs to lighten up anyway... Good play on words~!! and good catch too~!!
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#1309. To: Diana (#1306)
he was.. and he's lauded as this great scientist.. all of those people were monsters IMO.. have you ever read the The Children of Table 34.. there has been an attempt to debunk this but.. within Kinsey's research is this: Table 34, page 180, of Sexuality and the Human Male, by Alfred C. Kinsey, Kinsey was an evil SOB who molested children. I wouldn't put it past one of his proteges to do such a thing.
Age 5 mon. 11 mon. 11 mon. 2 yr. 2 yr. 2.5 yr. 4 yr. 4 yr. 4 yr. 7 yr. 8 yr. 9 yr. 10 yr. 10 yr. No. of Orgasms 3 10 14 7 11 4 6 17 26 7 8 7 9 14 Time Involved ? 1 hr. 38 min. 9 min. 65 min. 2 min. 5 min. 10 hr. 24 hr. 3 hr. 2 hr. 68 min. 52 min. 24 hr. Age 11 yr. 11 yr. 12 yr. 12 yr. 12 yr. 12 yr. 12 yr. 13 yr. 13 yr. 13 yr. 13 yr. 13 yr. 13 yr. 14 yr. No. of Orgasms 11 19 7 3 9 12 15 7 8 9 3 11 26 11 Time Involved 1 hr. 1 hr. 3 hr. 3 min. 2 hr. 2 hr. 1 hr. 24 min. 2.5 hr. 8 hr. 70 sec. 8 hr. 24 hr. 4 hr.
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#1310. To: Zipporah (#1309)
Did Kinsey do the jerkin' of the gherkin' HIMSELF?? Yikes... whatta pig that guy was, eh? Why do we need to know how long it takes for an infant to orgasm? It's not even LEGAL to witness, nevermind participate... geez...
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#1311. To: siagiah (#1310)
More than sick.. can you imagine this? And the man wasn't prosecuted?? I'm sure this wasnt mentioned in the newest film about Kinsey.. sick man.
Did Kinsey do the jerkin' of the gherkin' HIMSELF?? Yikes... whatta pig that guy was, eh? Why do we need to know how long it takes for an infant to orgasm? It's not even LEGAL to witness, nevermind participate... geez...
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#1312. To: siagiah (#1310)
I read about this quite a few years ago.. here is a link with more info on what happened to those children:
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#1313. To: siagiah (#1230)
120 wpm?! I didn't think that was humanly possible!
I type 120 wpm and manage to spell correctly 99.74% of the time.
#1314. To: 82Marine89, siagiah (#1233)
I learned to type about 6 years ago using the Mavis Beacon Teaches Typing program. I type about 40 wpm which I thought was pretty good!
I went to the College of Hunt and Peck and use a spell-checker.
#1315. To: Diana (#1313)
I didn't think that was humanly possible! Yes, it's totally possible.
120 wpm?!
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#1316. To: A K A Stone (#1235)
I thought God was sexless.
Oh and God is male. He made adam in his image. Jesus also refers to him as father.
#1317. To: All (#1315)
http://www.calculatorcat.com/ty ping_test/ http://izzy.typepad.com/undisclosedlocation/2005/03/typing_speed_sh.html check it out.
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#1318. To: Diana (#1316)
Hmmm... if that's so, then WHY make humans sexy? For the funuvit? but seriously, God is supposedly NEITHER male nor female...
I thought God was sexless.
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#1319. To: Zipporah (#1242)
That's what I believe.
God is neither male nor female.. Adam was made in his image not because he was male .. it had to do with his SPIRIT..
#1320. To: siagiah (#1300)
That's another point that bothers me, the slavery issue which the bible appears to back up, like it's an okey practice and it even gives guidelines on how to treat your slaves. This may be blasphemous but too much of the bible sounds like it was written by men steeped in their culture and time period, not by God.
Killing, murder, and slavery are part & parcel of the ways of the lord.
#1321. To: Diana (#1133)
*sigh* That poor kid is going to have real problems later on. Fortunately, help is available - expensive - but available. Our receptionist when I was in California transitioned -- it was weird getting used to, but it solved her problems.
#1322. To: Zipporah (#1309)
Aren't they making a movie glorifying Kinsey the way they made that movie about that remarkable American hero Larry Flynt? Funny how our media likes to make perverts into idols..
#1323. To: siagiah, Zipporah (#1310)
OMG that is sick, sick, sick. When I saw that chart it made my blood boil. And a movie is being made promoting this freak sicko?! Our country is doomed. We are like the new Caananites... they could not have been any less evil than those in charge of us today.
Why do we need to know how long it takes for an infant to orgasm? It's not even LEGAL to witness, nevermind participate...
#1324. To: mirage (#1321)
I suspect when he gets older he will have surgery to turn himself into a complete female, as much as that is possible. At least he does have ovaries, it's probably why he thinks he's a girl, I guess he is part female, or more so than male. I think it's very sad and must be horrific for the parents, especially having to go through their child being bullied and ridiculed.
That poor kid is going to have real problems later on. Fortunately, help is available - expensive - but available. Our receptionist when I was in California transitioned -- it was weird getting used to, but it solved her problems.
#1325. To: Mr Christian, all christians and non-christians alike (#1324)
And the "catch" of being saved is that you cannot ask for forgivness and continue to sin while continue to repeatedly ask for forgivness for the same exact sin. Even the best parent has their limits. On top of this and my post below - someone tell me from a Christian perspective, exactly how many souls have been won to Christ by this thread? (that IS what we are called to do, isn't it?) And how many have forever been turned from His arms because of the wrong-headedness, vileness and HUMAN condemnation and judgement posted in some of these replies? No one knows who will enter the Kingdom, those who are sure may likely be VERY surprised by Saint Peter, as may some of those who didn't think they stood a chance! Guard your words - they have meaning and they can never be taken back once spoken or typed... All sin is sin in the eyes of God. If you lie, you have sinned. If you cheat, you have sinned. God does not grade sin on a curve. There is no such thing as a "little sin" or a "big sin". Revelation 21:8: But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. The Bible says that even liars will have their part in the Lake of Fire right along with the murderers. One might say that, "everyone has lied." This may be true but it does not negate the fact that lying is still a sin and one who lies, or has lied in the past, cannot be allowed in God's presence. Just one sin will keep a person out of heaven and that is because God cannot allow even one sin into his presence. One might say, "this is not fair." It is very fair because although we have all sinned, Jesus made it possible for us to spend eternity in heaven in the very presence of God. This is why one must receive the Lord Jesus Christ as their Savior. The greatest sin has to be the rejection of God's Love-- rejection of Jesus Christ and His sacrifice upon the Cross for our sins. There is no other way to heaven except through the Lord Jesus Christ. We all have sinned but He, being sinless, paid the price for our sins. He died in our place. Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Jesus paid the price for our sin by taking the sins of the world upon Himself. It was prophecied that Messiah would die for our sins in the Book of Isaiah: Isaiah 53:11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities. Isaiah 53:12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors. God the Father sent His Son, Jesus, to be the Savior of the world. The Lord loves us. Jesus died in our place so that we would not have to die. All who receive Him have their sins forgiven and erased. Jesus rose from the dead so that all who receive Him may have His righteousness and stand justified in the eyes of God. The Bible says in Romans 4:25 that Jesus "was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification." The Apostle Paul writes in Philippians 3:9, "And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:" Revelation 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, THE GREATEST SIN: I say this only to say that I believe the greatest sin that will forever plague the minds of the those in hell is the rejection of God's LOVE and the FREE GIFT of salvation that comes by believing on the Lord Jesus Christ and receiving Him as Savior. Jesus paid a high price for our salvation. Salvation is offered freely to all and the rejection of the Lord Jesus Christ will be the sin that will gnaw at the conscience of those in the Lake of Fire for all eternity. God is love and He loves us and He provided us a way to spend eternity with Him. If one rejects God's love, I believe this will be the sin that will forever plague his mind in the Lake of Fire. Jesus said that God loves us but He also stated that if one rejects God's Love, rejects the free gift of salvation, rejects God's Only Son, they will be condemned: John 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. Jesus called unbelief in Him: a sin! John 16:9 Of sin, because they believe not on me; John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. 1John 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. 1John 4:9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him. 1John 4:10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation [substitute--Jesus took our place] for our sins. Ephesians 2:7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus. Ephesians 2:8-9 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. The Bible says that we cannot be saved by our own good works. It is only by grace through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. My dear friends, do not reject God's precious gift of salvation. Receive Jesus into your heart today. We all have sinned and deserve the penalty of our sin but because of Jesus' death and resurrection, one can be forgiven today. The Bible says, "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved." What does it mean to believe? Believe what the Bible says. Believe that Jesus is God. The Second Person of the Trinity. Believe that He became flesh and was born of a virgin. Believe that He lived a pure and sinless life. Believe that God the Father loves you and He sent His Only Begotten Son to die for your sins and that you cannot save yourself by your good works. 1John 4:9-10 says, "In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him. Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins." Believe that Jesus rose again and that He is seated at the Right Hand of God the Father. Romans 8:34 ... It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us. Believe the words that Jesus said in the Bible. He said in John 14:6: Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. Believe that by receiving Him, you too will have eternal life. John 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. All you have to do is BELIEVE that Jesus died for you and acknowledge that your own merits and good works CANNOT save you and pray from your heart and ask Jesus to be your Savior. Ask God to forgive you of your sins and put your trust in Jesus that He paid the price for your sins upon the Cross.
This entire thread is pointless, isn't it? There is NO GREATER SIN then the rejection of the Love of God. All other sin is sin. Murderes will be cast down with liars (please raise your hand if you have never lied, thank you, you may put them down now). Adulterers will be swimming in fire along with cheaters and gluttons. IMO, this thread was posted as bait - nothing more, nothing less.
#1326. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#1325)
Excellent points you made above. Two questions. 1. Did you write all that above, because it was very good. 2. How did sin enter into the world?
All you have to do is BELIEVE that Jesus died for you and acknowledge that your own merits and good works CANNOT save you and pray from your heart and ask Jesus to be your Savior. Ask God to forgive you of your sins and put your trust in Jesus that He paid the price for your sins upon the Cross.
If you hate the American people, your going to really love their government.
#1327. To: Diana (#1323)
I agree, our society has become by in large evil.
We are like the new Caananites... they could not have been any less evil than those in charge of us today.
If you hate the American people, your going to really love their government.
#1328. To: markm0722 (#1305)
Is that a freudian slip? I noticed that after I typed it too. So I guess it was a freudian slip.
A while back on this thread you said you had your head COCKED. I let it slide.
If you hate the American people, your going to really love their government.
#1329. To: Diana (#1288)
The point in this case is that the child was born with both male and female parts to him, which is a birth defect. He did not make the choice to be born deformed, so I fail to see how the bible would damn him for being born deformed. Someone that age hasn't reached the age of accountability. Also God wouldn't punish someone for they way they were born. It's the actions that get us in trouble.
At that point the kid was not old enough to be gay or strait, last I saw him he was around 2.
If you hate the American people, your going to really love their government.
#1330. To: A K A Stone (#1328)
COCK
#1331. To: Diana (#1278)
On that we agree, I think. It's our duty to lend a hand and to pray that they may be healed, and to be kind when others in their ignorance are cruel. I'm sure glad we agree on something. :)
I think it is telling of us how we treat those people.
If you hate the American people, your going to really love their government.
#1332. To: Jethro Tull (#1330)
Are the roosters crowing? It is early morning.
COCK
If you hate the American people, your going to really love their government.
#1333. To: Diana (#1284)
Some people think there is a gay gene.
Actually they think it's the result not of a gene, but an improper ratio of hormones that floods the fetus during a specific period of gestation which ends up messing with their gender.
If you hate the American people, your going to really love their government.
#1334. To: A K A Stone (#1333)
Some people think there is a gay gene.
#1335. To: Diana (#1307)
Good point! Many great scientists and artists are and have been a bit on the strange side. Perhaps you mean eccentric. There have sure been many of those. It's tough having to be brilliant in some way since you never quite seem to fit in with the average folks around you.
For surely anyone who achieves anything is, essentially, abnormal.” Dr. Karl Menninger, “The Human Mind", 1930
"The consolidation of the States into one vast empire, sure to be aggressive abroad and despotic at home, will be the certain precursor of ruin which has overwhelmed all that preceded it." General Robert E. Lee
#1336. To: All (#1335)
Well, now for my REAL OPINION on this topic... IMHO, homosexuality is NOT a sin, it is simply part of some people's nature through no CHOICE of their own. Why do I say this? Because I don't believe the bible was written by God. It was written by MEN who cherry picked whatever they liked & DIDN'T LIKE (a practice that continues today in every church and every human heart) and afterwards it was translated by MEN who made tons of mistakes AND altered sentences to suit THEIR beliefs. Furthermore, if slavery is (now) wrong but is OKAY in the bible and up until about 150 years ago it was ACCEPTED... if killing is wrong but is OKAY in the bible for chosen ones to kill evil ones (of course, it all depends on which side you are on who gets to be chosen and who gets to be evil- Jesus was considered evil, remember?) ... If eating pork was forbidden (because the ancients had no way to ensure its safety with their crude cooking methods... but NOW it's okay) If remaining celebate and single while giving up ALL your possessions to be a follower of Jesus was the preferred lifestyle, but NOW it's a quaint idea kept only by sequestered men and traditional Catholics... If vengeance was the lord's, but now it's fine to wage war on whomever trespasses against us... then why should homosexuality be any different? IOW, I hold the bible to be a book of good rules to live by but NOT the ultimate word of God... (assuming she really exists in the form y'all believe she does... (teasing about the she)... I will concede ONLY that humans consider homosexuality to be a sin but logically, IF GOD CREATED ALL OF US & KNEW FROM OUR CONCEPTION WHAT WE WOULD BECOME AND DO IN OUR LIVES, then isn't it all just part of the "plan"?? Is God so powerless that a measly HUMAN could supercede God's perfect plan? yeah yeah, free will... another buncha hooey... Homosexuals were created by God too. If he truly considered it an abberration, then why create homosexuality IN THE FIRST PLACE...??
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#1337. To: siagiah (#1336)
Just damn.
#1338. To: Jethro Tull (#1337)
Damned straight~!!
To: siagiah Just damn.
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#1339. To: siagiah, Jethro Tull, ALL (#1336)
I agree. I have read that this was the case with King James. Does anyone know his political and philosophical ideology? Was he a professed Christian? Did he reign as a tyrant or did he, like Jesus, have respect for the individual liberty and sovereignty of the people? Was he a moral man?
It was written by MEN who cherry picked whatever they liked & DIDN'T LIKE (a practice that continues today in every church and every human heart) and afterwards it was translated by MEN who made tons of mistakes AND altered sentences to suit THEIR beliefs.
#1340. To: christine, siagiah, (#1339)
I'm curious too. I'll google him in a bit.
King James
#1341. To: siagiah (#1336)
Exactly. The notion of free will "absolves" the Creator from any blame for whatever goes wrong w/ his creations. He always has the dual outs of "I'm the creator, by definition anything I do is fine" and "I put the things out there for you, you chose the manner in which they were used, it's YOUR deal, not mine", etc, etc, on through the night. I never understood or had it adequately explained to me how the concept of an omniscient god (all knowing...every outcome, every thought, every word, deed, action, etc) was in step with the notion that we have free will. If He knows our every move, then the logical conclusion is "he moves us", and thus we are not free moral agents within that framework. I've always said that knowing all the outcomes before they happen, and that IS one of THE requirements for an "omni" god, effectively destroys free will among the lesser beings. If it's all part of the plan, and we dont' know the plan... get it? Kindly spare me the word "faith", because that's nothing more than pulling stuff out of your ass and hoping things will work out fine.
IF GOD CREATED ALL OF US & KNEW FROM OUR CONCEPTION WHAT WE WOULD BECOME AND DO IN OUR LIVES, then isn't it all just part of the "plan"?? Is God so powerless that a measly HUMAN could supercede God's perfect plan? yeah yeah, free will... another buncha hooey... Homosexuals were created by God too. If he truly considered it an abberration, then why create homosexuality IN THE FIRST PLACE...??
#1342. To: Samuel Gray (#1341)
Hey SG. Good to see you!!!
#1343. To: Samuel Gray (#1341)
hey, it's good to see you again. welcome back.
#1344. To: Samuel Gray (#1341)
standard Catholic explanation: "Its a mystery!" I don't buy it either. Doesn't make logical sense. There is a reason for everything. The mere fact that we don't have it right now doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
#1345. To: Diana (#1322)
The movie has been released I think.. the lead role was by Liam Neeson.
Aren't they making a movie glorifying Kinsey the way they made that movie about that remarkable American hero Larry Flynt? Funny how our media likes to make perverts into idols..
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#1346. To: Diana (#1323)
Amazing isnt it? Kinsey is being lauded and his 'work' was based on child molestors and freaks.. make sense of it... there were some others that were involved w/ Kinsey.. I couldnt recall their names til today.. one was named Pomeroy and the other was a woman named Mary Calderone..
OMG that is sick, sick, sick. When I saw that chart it made my blood boil. And a movie is being made promoting this freak sicko?! Our country is doomed. We are like the new Caananites... they could not have been any less evil than those in charge of us today.
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#1347. To: Zipporah, CAPPSMADNESS (#1345)
Oh NO!!!
The movie has been released I think.. the lead role was by Liam Neeson.
#1348. To: siagiah (#1304)
Indeed~!! Far better to have them die slow, agonizing deaths anyway with the added benefit of having a clean conscience~!! To me the whole thing is cruel, whether they killed those Caananites with swords and axes, or whether they were to die by plague or earthquake. That whole story just doesn't sound right to me, I know others say they were wicked and had to be killed but the idea of God wanting his people to do the deed is so strange to me.
#1349. To: Diana (#1347)
yea, I hear he was supposedly great in it - but seeing as how it was about that monster Kinsey, it tanked as well as it should have. I never said I liked Liam for his smarts or political leanings, you know.....
#1350. To: siagiah (#1336)
Very good post, many good points.
IF GOD CREATED ALL OF US & KNEW FROM OUR CONCEPTION WHAT WE WOULD BECOME AND DO IN OUR LIVES, then isn't it all just part of the "plan"?? Is God so powerless that a measly HUMAN could supercede God's perfect plan?
#1351. To: Samuel Gray (#1341)
Same here... Good to see you here!
I never understood or had it adequately explained to me how the concept of an omniscient god (all knowing...every outcome, every thought, every word, deed, action, etc) was in step with the notion that we have free will.
#1352. To: CAPPSMADNESS, Zipporah (#1349)
That's good to know, that it didn't do so well. There are no movie theaters where I live (there aren't even any car washes) so I only hear about movies that come out, I assumed this one hadn't come out yet.
yea, I hear he was supposedly great in it - but seeing as how it was about that monster Kinsey, it tanked as well as it should have.
#1353. To: A K A Stone, CAPPSMADNESS (#1326)
This is all you got from CAPPS post? gawd
Excellent points you made above. Two questions. 1. Did you write all that above, because it was very good. 2. How did sin enter into the world?
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#1354. To: Zipporah (#1353)
;0) yes, I noticed the "skip right past the point" play as well. Very good counter-play there cuz.....
#1355. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#1354)
Isnt that the truth? Which version of scripture did you post btw?
yes, I noticed the "skip right past the point" play as well. Very good counter-play there cuz.....
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#1356. To: Zipporah (#1353)
That was all I had time for this morning. Was just trying to be nice.
This is all you got from CAPPS post? gawd
Death to the NWO!!!
#1357. To: Zipporah (#1355)
If I told you - I would have to kill you.
#1358. To: A K A Stone (#1356)
OH... are you going to go back and rethink you're reply then?
That was all I had time for this morning. Was just trying to be nice.
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#1359. To: Zipporah (#1358)
I planned to go back and read where I left off later. I might. It was still a good question. The second one.
OH... are you going to go back and rethink you're reply then?
Death to the NWO!!!
#1360. To: christine (#1339)
I heard he was a king. [:{)
I agree. I have read that this was the case with King James. Does anyone know his political and philosophical ideology? Was he a professed Christian? Did he reign as a tyrant or did he, like Jesus, have respect for the individual liberty and sovereignty of the people? Was he a moral man?
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#1361. To: 82Marine89 (#1360)
Only because I told you. ;)
I heard he was a king. [:{)
Death to the NWO!!!
#1362. To: 82Marine89 (#1360)
ROFL!
I heard he was a king. [:{)
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#1363. To: 82Marine89 (#1360)
I thought the posted article described him as kinda "queen-Like". Did I read it wrong? I hate when that happens!
#1364. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#1363)
LOL!! Hey royalty is royalty.. they all wore those furs and velvet..so whats the diff? :P
I thought the posted article described him as kinda "queen-Like".
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#1365. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#1363)
I thought the posted article described him as kinda "queen-Like".
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#1366. To: Zipporah (#1364)
What's underneath???
#1367. To: 82Marine89 (#1365)
yep..... that's some queen iffin I ever saw a queen.
#1368. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#1366)
depends I guess if they're a king or a queen.. wait a minute.. let me rethink that .. :P
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#1369. To: 82Marine89 (#1360)
laughing...
I heard he was a king.
#1370. To: Zipporah, CAPPSMADNESS, christine, AKA Stone (#1368)
http://www.av1611.org/kjv/kjvhist. html A Brief History of the King James Bible By Dr. Laurence M. Vance
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#1371. To: 82Marine89 (#1370)
Thanks for the link.
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#1372. To: 82Marine89 (#1365)
#1373. To: 82Marine89 (#1370)
Very interesting Mr. Marine. I'll have to study this for a while before I offer an opinion. Thank You.
Death to the NWO!!!
#1374. To: 82Marine89 (#1370)
I'm looking for text now to the geneva Bible. It seems to only be the new testament. Is that correct, or am I just unable to find it yet?
Death to the NWO!!!
#1375. To: 82Marine89, A K A Stone (#1370)
From the link.. so .. remember you saying that the NASV took out words that the KJV had.. the BEST translation huh?
The King James Bible was, in its first editions, even larger than the Great Bible. It was printed in black letter with small italicized Roman type to represent those words not in the original languages.
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#1376. To: Zipporah (#1375)
All in all, I'd rather be in Florida... it's too chilly here tonight! Hey~! Did you hear about God's LATEST plan gone awry? Tom Delay wasn't set FREE even though he's associated with the chosen one who hears God's words firsthand~!! DeLay's gonna face charges like a common criminal~!! Can you imagine that? One of God's chosen ones being treated like a commoner... Damn, God better get some better enforcers to ensure that his best laid plans aren't foiled any further!! I mean, with the mess in Iraq about to be blamed on God not being clear when she whispered her wishes in GWB's ear and all... It ain't easy being green... and harder still being God... what with all those screw ups calling themselves his army & all. I'm not bucking to replace her anytime soon...
Don't force feed me your views... talk to me so I can hear you...
#1377. To: Samuel Gray (#1341)
Hi Sam! It's like a big chess game, he knew in advance what moves we would make freely.
Death has a tendency to encourage a depressing view of war. – Donald Rumsfeld
#1378. To: robin (#1377)
Either he knows everything or he doesn't. If he does, then his creations cannot possibly surprise him by anything we do, and it's all a rigged game from the start (like the chess analogy, though). There is evidence in scripture to suggest that humans have "surprised" him before. Moses had to back him down off a big time Righteously Pissed Off when he was going to kill all the children of Israel for behaving badly. Why get pissed off if he KNEW what they were going to do in the first place? He had no frame of reference, so far as we know, for human interaction, unless he pulled off a creation event on some other planet somewhere. His own powers are supposedly so vast that they preclude any event that he didn't foresee. It then becomes, to me, an almost programmed behavior sequence, and guess who programmed us? Uh-huh.
#1379. To: Samuel Gray (#1378)
great circular argument! ....but this is where FAITH comes in... ;0) (I know... I know.... Shut Up Cappy) Good to *see* you here!
#1380. To: Samuel Gray (#1378)
Who says He is surprised? "Nothing new under the sun", is more like it. We're made in His image, and we have a free will. Look at all the demonic behavior going on right now. Transporting "detainees" to torture them. The evil among us made a choice to be evil, that's free will too. Did God make them evil? No. They chose to be evil. Did God know they would become evil? Yes. Why didn't He stop them from becoming evil? Because of free will.
Death has a tendency to encourage a depressing view of war. – Donald Rumsfeld
#1381. To: robin (#1380)
it's free will that some people get drowned, born blind, or killed by post-deluvian brontosaurus
And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush
#1382. To: Dakmar (#1381)
That's not about free will, and I don't know why bad things happen, but they do, even w/o a post-deluvian brontosaurus.
Death has a tendency to encourage a depressing view of war. – Donald Rumsfeld
#1383. To: robin (#1382)
bump
Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson
#1384. To: buckeroo (#1383)
This article describes you to a T.
Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson
#1385. To: All (#0)
bump to annoy the homos
Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson
#1386. To: A K A Stone (#1385)
In my experience, everyone who is obsessed with queers in some funny sort of way ... like you ... eventually turns out to be queer in some funny sort of way. Just my personal observation.
#1387. To: Anonymous Dead Indian (#1386)
Not obsessed. Just brokeback author is in the news, whining about not winning an oscar. So I posted another article I found. Angie said I was an asshole for posting it. So i pointed her to this thread and decided to bump it. Did you read the article. What do you disagree with in the article?
In my experience, everyone who is obsessed with queers in some funny sort of way ... like you ... eventually turns out to be queer in some funny sort of way.
Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson
#1388. To: A K A Stone (#1387)
I read the first two sentences. They guy is more full of vile hate than a fundamentalist christian. I don't think he has a lot to say on any subject.
#1389. To: Anonymous Dead Indian (#1388)
If you only read the first two sentences, you shouldn't be commenting on it.
I read the first two sentences.
Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson
#1390. To: All, Eric Stratton (#0)
bump
#1391. To: A K A Stone (#1389)
Your stuff is like a rotten egg, oh he who bobs for Israeli shlongs; one taste, you know it's foul and you throw it away.
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