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Title: Homosexuality is a Sin
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The homosexual activist movement and organized pedophiles are linked together by a common goal: To gain access to children for seduction into homosexuality.
Serial killers, government tyrants, academic liberals, Catholic priests, politicians, Mormon Church higher-ups, Jewish rabbis, environmental extremists, communists, religious heretics, mass murderers, occultists, spies, and the Illuminati share something hideous and grotesque in common. Almost all are homo-sexual. Worse, most of the sick-minded men who comprise these demented social groups are not only homosexual, they practice the most kinky and perverted forms of sexual licentiousness-pedophilia, satanic bondage, physical torture, bisexuality, transvestitism, and even bestiality.
If you doubt this, I invite you to consider the wicked lives of some of these moral degenerates—men like Lenin, Mussolini, Hitler, Marx, Jim Jones, Alfred Kinsey, Michael Jackson, Jacques DeMolay, Bill Clinton, Jim Bakker, Jimmy Swaggart, Mick Jagger, Aleister Crowley, Hubert Humphrey, Paul Tsongas, Martin Luther King, Mario Cuomo, Rudy Giuliani, Jeffrey Dahmer, Richard Speck, and John Wayne Gacy.
Homosexuality in the Mystery Religions
In the ancient pagan Mystery Religions, homosexuality and pedophilia were popularized. Worshippers of Baal erected shrines and temples of male prostitution (I Kings 14). Roman Emperors Nero, Caligula, and Commodus engaged in incest, sex with boys, bondage, and a variety of evil crimes. So, too, did those in Pharaoh's court. Alexander the Great was a homosexual who loved little boys.
When the Spanish Conquistadors conquered Central America and the Yucatan in Mexico, they found that most native Indian priests were sodomites. In their pagan temples were sacred statues depicting gay sex acts. In Babylon, people sacrificed and prayed to gods and goddesses requesting sexual favors and carnal pleasures.
Seal of Knights Templar
Two versions of the official seal of the Knights Templar, precursors of the Freemasons. Note that in the version at right, the two riders carry a shield. But, in the other version of the seal (left), one's shield is gone and the knight has placed his hand in a most sensitive area of his body.
The Knights Templar and Baphomet
In the 14th century, a Catholic band of crusaders known as the Order of Knights Templar grew in power and riches. They and their leader, their Sovereign Grand Master, Frenchman Jacques DeMolay, built temples and tabernacles of worship. Only Knights Templar initiates could enter therein. Soon, reports spread of the grotesque and unseemly mode of worship of these depraved men. Their secret religion was based on worship of an androgynous (1/2 male, 1/2 female) satanic goat god named Baphomet.
In the Knights Templar rituals, a crucifix of Jesus was reviled and urinated on, and homosexual orgies were rumored. Strangely, the seal, or coat of arms, of the Order depicted two knights riding on one horse! Was this an emblem of their homosexual passion or, as the Templars protested, a statement of their "brotherly love?"
When the rumors and gossip of their antichrist activities reached a feverish pitch, the Kings of continental Europe were forced to move against the Order. Their Sovereign Grand Master, DeMolay, was tried, convicted and burned at the stake, their temples shut down. Amazingly, the Knights Templar survived, hiding out in Scotland and underground in Europe. Then, in the 1800s, they made a startling comeback in the new form of Freemasonry! Today, the Masonic youth group is even named the DeMolays. Bill Clinton, as a teenager, was a member of this organization. Baphomet
Baphomet, the half male, half female goat god of the Knights Templar, was revived by Eliphas Levi, the infamous 19th century Freemason and magician and reportedly is worshipped today by homosexual cults.
Communists, Homosexuality, and Perversion
Communism, as propounded by Satanist Karl Marx, was an offshoot of Templarism. As Jüri Lina documents in his sensational book, Under the Sign of the Scorpion, Vladimir Lenin, the communist monster who founded the bloody communist regime in Soviet Russia, frequented brothels and maintained three mistresses.
Laventi Beria, Stalin's decadent Chief of Secret Police, a man who arrested, tortured, imprisoned, and executed some 20 million innocent victims in Russia, was truly a heinous sex criminal. Beria would have his chauffeur drive him around Moscow in a limo evenings searching for a young girl or boy out walking alone. Then, Beria would order his security police to grab and kidnap the hapless youth. What horrible fate transpired to such victims I do not wish to recount here. Obviously, Stalin knew of Beria's evil criminality and had no objections.
Hitler & Mussolini enjoy a homoerotic exhibit
In 1937 at the House of German Art Museum, Nazi Führer Hitler and Italian dictator Mussolini enjoy a homoerotic exhibit—an immense statue of two naked muscular men holding hands. (For decency's sake, Power of Prophecy has blackened out the genital area of one of the naked men pictured)
The Pink Swastika
Hitler, Nazi founder, was similarly a sex pervert. As Chancellor, he carried on sexually with his 15-year-old niece, who killed herself rather than continue giving in to his bizarre and beastly sexual fetishes. As a young Bohemian streetwalker and "starving artist," the man who later would rule most of Europe sold his body to gay men.
Hitler is noted as a fanatical fan of Wagnerian operas. Less known is the fact that before he rose to become the Fuhrer, in the 1920s, Hitler sexually abused Richard Wagner's grandson, Wieland Wagner (Time magazine, August 15, 1994, p. 56).
Hitler, of course, was catapulted to power largely by the Brown Shirts (SA), a fascist youth organization led by and composed primarily of "butch" type homosexual militarists. The head of the thuggish Brown Shirts was Ernst Roehm, who was a notorious molester of young boys. Roehm was executed by Hitler after his sexual excesses became widely known.
As Scott Lively writes in his revealing book, The Pink Swastika-Homosexuality and the Nazi Party, "Homosexuals are the perfect foot soldiers for the devil."
Interestingly, Hitler and his henchmen intensely disliked feminine gay men, even sent many to concentration camps. The Nazis preferred masculine, butch, soldier-types-like Field Marshall Reinhard Heydrich-willing to take orders. On the other hand, in Soviet Russia, the Communists and Bolsheviks favored gay Jews with female traits and affectations.
Religious Sodomites are Legion
Religious fakes who are sodomites predominate. Jim Bakker, PTL televangelist disgraced and defrocked for sexually abusing church secretary Jessica Hahn, actually preferred young boys. He frequently had young homo staffers go swimming nude with he and his top aides. Like Bakker, Assembly of God television preacher Jimmy Swaggert also was a sexual deviant-reportedly into porno literature, trampy prostitutes, etc. He stayed away from real sex with real women-desired bizarre acts.
Satan loves to debauch religious charlatans. A headline in The Houston Chronicle newspaper, page one of its May 9, 1999 issue, trumpeted, "Mormons Caught up in Wave of Pedophile Accusations." In fact, Power of Prophecy has received startling information about satanic rituals and pedophile Mormon elders in the so-called Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (LDS). No Wonder! Joseph Smith and Brigham Young, Mormon founders, took numerous wives, and Smith was an occultist and sexual pervert of the highest order, as even many of his biographers confess.
Legions of Catholic priests are now recognized as plunderers of little boys. It is estimated that at least 80 percent of all Catholic priests are queers, and most nuns are lesbians! Father Ritter, the priest who founded Covenant House, a New York City shelter, to "help" homeless teens, was discovered to be molesting his charges. At Boys Town, the famous Catholic boys' orphanage founded by Father Flanagan (played by actor Spencer Tracy in the classic movie), a scandal recently broke when it got out that little boys were being passed around by priests to local gay politicians.
Some orphans from Omaha's Boys Town were even flown to Washington, D.C. for sex parties with top-level Republican Party chieftains. You can read about this in John Van De Camp's shocking exposé, The Franklin Cover-up (available from Power of Prophecy, $15, book order-line 800-234-9673).
Religious cultist Jim Jones, who, the controlled news media alleged, induced hundreds of his followers to commit mass suicide in Guyana by drinking poisoned Kool-Aid (actually, most were murdered—but that's another story) was both a Communist and a vile homosexual. Jim Jones was also a leading Democratic Party boss in California and a loyal initiate of the Masonic Lodge. The filthy Reverend Jones had his choice of boys, girls, and grown-ups among his "congregation" as sex partners.
David Koresh of Branch Davidian infamy had a taste for young girls and other men's wives, claiming that, as the Messiah, he had a perfect right. Strangely, Koresh was murdered at the behest of Janet Reno, a butch lesbian; FBI Director Louis Freeh, a member of the reportedly homosexual-oriented Opus Dei Catholic secret society; and Hillary Clinton, a flaming, lesbian activist.
Bill Clinton and other Homosexual Masons
President Bill Clinton became famous for the Monica Lewinsky affair. But actually, Bill Clinton never had conventional sexual relations with the young Jewish woman. Clinton enjoys kinky perversion and it is well known in some circles that old Bill is bisexual. Indeed, Clinton is a woman-hater, and documented evidence proves he has brutally raped at least two women.
One report says that Bill Clinton and a former pal, Arkansas Governor, Winthrop Rockefeller, had a fling. Winthrop, of the monied Rockefeller family, was well known as a homosexual. It is also possible that Clinton was himself abused and molested as a youthful member of the Masonic Lodge's DeMolay organization.
Albert Pike, the 19th century occultist who, as Masonry's Sovereign Grand Commander, created its rituals for the 33 degrees of the craft, was himself a notorious sodomite. Albert Pike
Albert Pike
"Cuomo the Homo"
Political networks of both political parties are eaten up by gay men. Former New York Governor Mario Cuomo, a Democrat, has been labeled "Cuomo the Homo." New York's former Mayor, Rudy Giuliani, a Republican, has been known to dress up as a woman transvestite.
The Mayor also carried on an open affair with a female assistant. And when Giuliani and his wife separated, the Mayor moved in with two gay male friends. He now resides in the Manhattan apartment the gay couple share.
Rudia
New York's Mayor Rudolph Giuliani performed on stage as "Rudia," transvestite, at the annual Inner Circle banquet for the elite. Giuliani now lives in an apartment with two homosexual men but has a female lover. Time magazine named Giuliani its "Person of the Year" for 2001.
Indeed, according to The New York Times, the Mayor actually performed in female attire, posing as "Rudia the Transvestite" at a nightclub. The occasion: The annual "Inner Circle" show.
The late Senator and Vice-President Hubert Humphrey often frolicked about nude in the YMCA swimming pool in Minneapolis. President Lyndon B. Johnson skinny-dipped with male friends, including evangelist Billy Graham and his Vice President, Hubert. In fact, the "Y" is a popular meeting place for homo politicians and religious bigwigs. The gay disco group, The Village People, in coded language revealed such wicked goings on in their national hit record tune, Y-M-C-A!
The Republicans even have a sodomite lobby group, which calls itself the Log Cabin Republicans. Senator Bob Dole heavily pandered to these "conservative" queers during his presidential campaign.
Same Sex Marriages
This year the Mayor of San Francisco, California broke the law by issuing Same Sex marriage licenses to homosexual couples at City Hall and performing marriages. Among those who practice perversion to get “married” were celebrity Rosie O’Donnell and her lesbian girlfriend. Rosie attacked President Bush right after the ceremony stating that they performed this so-called “marriage” as an act of defiance against President Bush and those who oppose the homosexual agenda.
Well thank God the California State Supreme Court ruled that the Mayor overstepped his boundaries. The California State Supreme Court further annulled all 4000 homosexual marriages that were performed including Rosie’s, deeming them illegal, null and void! Chalk one up for our side!
Has this stopped the homosexual agenda? Not on your life. The Democratic Party nation wide is endorsing Same Sex marriages and helping to push the homosexual agenda through the legal system.
Sadly many Christians support Same Sex Marriages either by openly supporting this travesty or remaining silent and refusing to get involved. Silence means approval in this case.
You cannot call yourself a Christian and be a supporter of Same Sex Marriages. It is against the word of God to support any homosexual agenda. The bible says it is sin period. Leviticus 18:22 22 "`Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable." Leviticus 20:13. "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 9 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
Romans 1:25-27 25 They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator-- who is forever praised. Amen. 26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
Genesis 19:1-29 says God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah because of homosexuality. It stinks in the nostrils of God. Genesis 13:13 identify the men of Sodom as exceedingly wicked sinners. Genesis 18:20 says that the sin of Sodom is "very grievous." Genesis 18:23 adds emphasis to the portrayal of the inhabitants of Sodom as "wicked." Genesis 18:24-33 shows that God could not find even 10 righteous souls in Sodom. The perverts who inhabited Sodom, even wanted to rape God's Angels who had come to Sodom to rescue Lot.
It is clear. The same sex marriage agenda is against God, and is SIN, and that my friend is the bottom-line because the Word of Our Most Holy God says so.
The homosexual agenda not only includes Same Sex Marriage but they have successfully pushed forward their lifestyles to the public over the television sets conditioning the public to accept their perversion and depravity. TV shows like “Will and Grace”, “Queer Eye For The Straight Guy”, “The L Word”, “Queer Folks”, MTV Videos, and even cartoons such as “The Simpsons”, and “Southpark” portray Christians who take a stand against homosexuality as evil, hateful, and wacky, while portraying the homosexual lifestyle as normal. As if there wasn’t enough shows on TV promoting homosexuality, MTV is preparing to launch a “24-Hour All-Gay All Day Channel” which will include programming geared at teaching kids that it is cool to be a homosexual and perfectly normal. They will even include a homosexual dating game. Now I am going to have to be a little crude here, but parents need to know about this so they can keep their kids from watching these shows. As if Jerry Springer wasn’t enough, with promoting homosexuality in just about every show whipping the audience into a frenzy as they scream and yell, “We Love Lesbians” while girls get naked and lick all over each other right in front of a nationwide live audience! Springer features homosexual sodomites that kiss and fondle each other while the audience cheers them on. Parents, Jerry Springer is shown in many states around 3-4pm in the afternoon, so you should know that might be what your kids are watching when they get home from school. Now they will have the 24-Hour All Gay All Day Channel to look at also! Your kids also are subjected to singers who promote the homosexual lifestyle such as open lesbian singers Tatu, Melissa Etheridge, and K.D. Lang, along with open bisexual Satan worshipper Marilyn Manson who encourages homosexuality among children.
Once upon a time in America, we used to have a thing called morality and laws that protected the children and the average family. One could be arrested for indecent exposure in America, but now it is not uncommon to drive down the streets of LA or New York City and see some homosexual doing ungodly things to his buddy right there on the corner. The police turn a blind eye to this and I am sure in places like California some cops would gladly join in disgusting episodes of sodomy.
In the 1970’s Anita Bryant took a stand for decency and morality standing up and speaking out against the homosexual agenda. For her efforts, she was rewarded with being abandoned by the Christian churches across the Nation and ultimately suffered a divorce when the homosexuals began to make phone calls to the churches she was speaking at threatening to blow them up. The churches decided to give in to this terrorist tactic and abandon Anita. Then in the 1980’s Pastor Jerry Falwell took a stand against the homosexual agenda and many leading pastors and churches also ostracized him across the country as being a little too political and getting off focus of preaching the gospel. As a result the churches joined in with the liberal media in labeling Falwell as a hatemonger. Well today, churches are getting to reap what they have sown. Galatians 6:7 "Be not deceived, God is not mocked; for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.".
Gary Condit, Satanism, and Homosexuality
The Democrats don't need an exclusive special homo group. Almost all active Democratic Party political professionals are bisexual and gay. Those who aren't are into other weird, abnormal sexual behavior—satanic sex bondage rituals, etc.
Congressman Gary Condit, suspected of having something to do with the disappearance of intern Chandra Levy, is known in the Washington, D.C. gay community as a bisexual into major sexual deviance.
Butch
A "butch" type homosexual shows off at a "Gay Pride" demonstration. Reportedly, Congressman Gary Condit also wears leather and homo-fascist garb when in bed in threesomes with men and women.
Condit reportedly dresses up in leather and chains, practices satanic bondage, and has had multiple male sex partners. Condit, an owner of a Harley Davidson motorcycle, is also a regular at Hell's Angels biker parties, especially when "butch" male homo bikers are throwing a shindig. Yet, Condit enjoys degrading and despoiling young women, too. Clintonesque, isn't he?
Remember Senator Paul Tsongas, the Massachusetts Democrat who ran for President and was so beloved by the media? Well, as The Washington Post newspaper (2/4/92) noted, the gay Mr. Tsongas had quite a stable of homo pals. He was noted for lustfully staring at young men's bodies, and the newspaper remarked that, "No one sat around the pool when Paul Tsongas was there."
Massachusetts Democrat Congressman Barney Frank (whom a Texas Republican congressman once called "Barney Fag") and his live-in male lover were discovered several years ago running a homosexual prostitution ring out of Frank's home. An attempt in the House of Representatives to censor Frank for his criminal misconduct fell flat when Republican leader Newt Gingrich came to his rescue. House Speaker Gingrich later resigned after it was about to come out that he was cheating on his wife with a female member of his own congressional staff. Gingrich warmly praised homosexuals in Congress for their "courage in running for office."
Homosexuality A "Wonderful Thing"—Al Gore
Former Vice President Al Gore and his wife, Tipper, also were big backers of queers and sodomites. In June 2000, Al and Tipper threw a party in their home for 150 brazen homos. Gore gushingly told the group, "It's a wonderful thing to do what you are doing… It's an outgrowth of the way you live your entire lives."
Say what, Al? Are you kidding us? Homos are the ominous bringers of AIDS, a variety of other sexual diseases, wide-ranging child abuse and molestation, and sundry other evils-and you say that's a "wonderful thing?"
Recently, some 600 homosexual congressmen and politicians threw another wild party, this time inside a certain federal building in Washington, D.C. Security guards were led to vomit at what they saw going on inside and even outside, on the grounds. You may be interested in knowing that among the "proud" sponsors of this disgusting homo-sex gala were wealthy corporations such as American Airlines, Snapple beverages, Miller Lite beer, Starbucks coffee, and Ben and Jerry's ice cream.
Gay Jews and Hollywood
Jewish rabbis and intellectuals are into homosexuality in a big way. James Klugman, British Communist Party leader; U.S. Supreme Court Justice Stephen Breyer; wealthy socialist Victor Rothschild; and British economist John Maynard Keynes come to mind. The ADL, ACLU, and Southern Poverty Law Center are Jewish organizations noted both for their antichrist liberal views and the perverted sexual orientation of some of their leaders.
Jewish rabbis are frequently in the news, with charges of child molestation highlighted. Meanwhile, Jews virtually run the entire inter-national porn industry. Even Jerusalem World Report, a prominent Jewish publication, has admitted that the kingpins of the "ecstasy" drug trade are Jews based in Israel.
Michael Eisner, a Jew and head of Disney Corporation, is actively pushing the gay agenda, as are most other Hollywood moguls—almost all of whom are Jewish. Sodomite Tom Schumaker was chosen by Disney to be executive producer of the kids movie, The Lion King. Homosexual singer Elton John was chosen to do the music score for the movie. Schumaker brags that Disney is actively recruiting homosexuals and that already, "There are a lot of gay people at every level" in the company.
Sharon Stone
Actress Sharon Stone said she relished her role in one film as a masculine lesbian lover.
Hollywood has long been much more gay than traditional America has known. The Christ-hating Jews that run the movie industry have always gotten their kicks from secretly pushing homosexual actors and actresses into leading roles as "romantic" leads. Katherine Hepburn was a lesbian deceptively dressed up as a lover of men like Spencer Tracy. Lesbian actress Marlene Dietrich pranced about in male suits with pants and yet the movie audiences were led to believe she was "All Woman." Male stars like comedian Danny Kaye and British actor Laurence Olivier were lovers, and comedian Jack Benny was queer as a three-dollar bill.
Pedophile Criminals Evade Punishment
In places like Hollywood and San Francisco, homosexual crime is rampant and never do the police intervene. Pedophile black singer Michael Jackson molests little boys and jokes are made—but no arrest. Little boys are molested at gay masquerade balls, and police look the other way. Corrupt Congressmen back in Washington know, but they are too busy running their own sex rings to care. Washington, D.C. is a place where homosexual masked men and women cavort in secret places—mansions, federal building auditoriums, military installations, and so forth. In November of 2003 Jackson was arrested on allegations of molesting several young boys at his Neverland Ranch in California. He was released the next day on $3,000,000 bond to go back to Las Vegas to finish a music video. Unbelievably, authorities said they didn't want to bring any official charges until after the Thanksgiving Day holiday (in spite of concrete testimony from one of the young victims and evidence found at the ranch). So they just let him go free in public!
Michael Jackson then! Michael Jackson Today!
Rock Music Stars
Heavy metal rock music stars are predominantly homosexual. That's the reason for the leather garb, the satanic tattoos, the long hair, and the transvestite make-up and appearance. Perhaps the top rock idol of all time, Mick Jagger of the Rolling Stones group, is a sick bisexual. In her autobiography, Marianne Faithful wrote that, while in bed with her, Mick Jagger said, "If Keith (a member of his band) were here right now, I'd lick him all over."
And some Christian parents allow their kids to listen to the music of these addle-brained homo sickos!
Michael Jackson
Singer/entertainer Michael Jackson reportedly molested little boys, then paid their parents hush money. Police and law enforcement looked the other way.
Sodomite Freddie Mercury of the rock band, Queen, died of AIDS at only 46 years of age. He reportedly had homosexual lovers all over the world.
Mick Jagger
Moral reprobate Mick Jagger, initiated into the Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame, has talked openly about how much he enjoys performing sex acts on other men.
Sodomites Madonna and Britney Spears. The Bible expressly forbids such homosexual activities.
Sodomites Madonna and Britney Spears
Left: Tolerant Americans have made lesbian activist, comedian Rosie O'Donnell, a rich and famous entertainer. O'Donnell and her homosexual partner were allowed by Florida to adopt a child. She is pictured here off-stage with Britain's Boy George, a popular actor and singer who starred in a Broadway production, Taboo.
Above: Tammy Faye Messner (formerly Tammy Faye Bakker of PTL fame) recently helped host a "drag bingo" fund-raising event to generate money for homosexual causes. Tammy Faye reportedly had lesbian sex with another "Christian" woman while married to her TV evangelist husband, Jim Bakker. (Note: Jim Bakker was himself a notorious closet homosexual.) (Photo: The Herald Sun, Jan. 6, 2004)
Left: The Episcopal Church recently elevated a gay activist, the "Reverend" Gene Robinson, to the high position of Bishop. Robinson earlier had abandoned his wife and children and began shacking up with a homosexual lover. The Episcopal Church had no problem with his behavior and declared him a "man of God." (Photo: Newsweek, Nov. 17, 2003)
Serial Killers are Homosexuals
However, if you really want to know to what depths of degradation the homosexual lifestyle takes people, all you need to do is study the inner lives of the world's most dangerous criminals—serial killers. In his book, Violence and Homosexuality, Dr. Paul Cameron noted that the top serial killers were all homosexual: "The nexus between homosexuality and violence is notorious. We have motorcycle gangs, black leather boys and rough trade addicted to chains, torture, slaves, and sadism. Hitler rose on the backs of "Storm Troopers" led from the top by a gang of homosexuals headed by Ernst Roehm."
According to the Associated Press, as reported in Christian News newspaper (July 23, 2001 p. 3), the seven worst serial killers in the U.S.A. were all homosexual deviates:
o Donald Harvey - 37 murders o John Wayne Gacy - 33 murders o Patrick Kearney - 32 murders o Bruce Davis - 28 murders o Dean Corll, Elmer Wayne Henley, and David Owen Brooks - 27 murders
The monstrous conduct of these homo killers is almost beyond belief. John Wayne Gacy, the sadistic torturer and raper of 33 boys, dressed up as a circus clown to attract victims. "A clown can get away with murder," Gacy once boasted.
Jeffrey Dahmer, who was a satanist and a cannibal, homosexually raped and killed 17 boys and young men after slipping "knockout" pills in their drinks. He attempted to keep some alive as sex zombies, but they, too, died from his fiendish brain operations.
Mormons caught up in wave of pedophile accusations Catholic priests are not the only religious leaders molesting children today, as evidenced by this newspaper headline in the Houston Chronicle.
Why is it the controlled mass media never tells America these savage serial murderers are always homosexuals? Why do CBS, ABC, NBC, and all the others cover-up and consistently paint gays as gentle, loving, caring, and compassionate humanitarians? Is it not because most of the TV and news executives and broadcasters are themselves homosexual, bisexual perverts and weirdos?
The case of homo serial killer Andrew Cunanan is interesting in that most of Cunanan's victims were themselves gay men. Among the five men he killed in a cross-country spree was wealthy fashion designer Gianni Versace. Time magazine (April 5, 1999) commented that Cunanan was "a gregarious, wildly clever mythomaniac and petty thief in the kinky gay netherworld of alcohol, drugs, prostitution, and sadomasochism." Andrew Cunanan's torrent of death ended in 1997 in Miami Beach with the demon-possessed homosexual taking his own life.
Reliable sources tell us that Andrew Cunanan's rage was triggered when he was horribly abused at a Chicago mansion during a homo-satanic ritual at a gay "masquerade ball." Cunanan, a handsome but confused young man in his 20s, had been used as a sexual gigolo by an inner circle of rich, gay Illuminati adepts—he was passed around and used up like a mildewed sack of potatoes. Gianni Versace, a billionaire who had singer Elton John as one of the frequent live-ins at his luxurious residence, was reputed to be a figure in this inner circle of kinky Illuminist homosexuals.
Why are homosexuals almost uniformly so corrupt, evil, and wicked? The truth is that such men (and women) have spiritually been turned over to Satan. The scriptures declare that the grievous and damaging sin of homosexuality leads one straight to a reprobate mind. The world applauds and rewards the homosexual, but God brands this conduct as "vile," "unclean," "unnatural" (Romans 1:24-32) and an "abomination" (Leviticus 18:22; Deuteronomy 23:17-18; I Kings 14:24).
Thomas Jefferson- "Castrate Homosexuals!"
Thomas Jefferson, one of our nation's illustrious founders, was not, history records, a strong biblical Christian. Yet, as Governor of Virginia, in 1779 Jefferson introduced bills to punish homosexual sodomy with the penalty being banishment and castration. There is no record that anyone at the time accused Mr. Jefferson of bigotry or hatred. Americans back then were a great degree wiser than they are today.
Bill Clinton & Paul Tsongas
Then Arkansas Governor Bill Clinton and U.S. Senator Paul Tsongas (D-Mass) were Democratic presidential candidates in 1992. Like many other Democratic politicians, both were bisexual.
Today, no politician, no king, no man admired by the public dares to declare the homosexual what he is: a "sinful reprobate." If they were to do so, their heads would, figuratively, be immediately lopped off by the media, and their careers and reputations destroyed. However, the biblical Christian has no option but to tell the truth—that homosexuality is a vile abomination, for God Almighty has declared it. And who among all the world's powerful and famous can reasonably criticize His commandments? Who is so foolish as to even attempt to annul His decision?
Clinton Featured at http://www.gayheroes.com
"I am proud of the part that my Administration has played to achieve these goals. Today, more openly gay and lesbian individuals serve in senior posts throughout the Federal Government than during any other Administration." -President Bill Clinton, June 2nd, 2000
SEE I TOLD YOU SO
For years I have been warning the public about Hillary Clinton's penchant for lesbian proclivities; a precursor to her sadistic megalomaniac behaviors.
Now, after many years of public apprehension the controversy has been confirmed by insider sources and will soon be revealed to the public.
According to a published article in the March 28 issue of a prominent magazine the "GLOBE," "reliable sources will soon release a shocking list of Hillary's lesbian lovers from the past and including the present." According to reliable sources the list includes:
* A beauty in her early 30s who often travels with Hillary. * A popular TV and movie star. * The daughter of a top government official. * A stunning model who got a career boost after sleeping with Hillary. * President Clinton's former lover, Gennifer Flowers writes in her book "Passion & Betrayal" of Bill confessing to her that Hillary sleeps with more woman than he does. * The famous commentator Jack Wheeler writes: "My sources indicate that Hillary is bisexual and fools around more than her husband." He also credits Hillary for being the force behind the "White House's homosexual agenda." * According to the insiders report, Hillary had sex with women during her college days at Wellesly College.
SO NOW YOU KNOW THE REST OF THE STORY
President Clinton's former mistress Gennifer Flowers (left) claims Bill told her Hillary was a lesbian. Rumors have swirled about Hillary's relationship with cabinet member Donna Shalala (center) and New York Lawyer Susan Thomases.
A show of hands: Hillary signals her support of gay rights at a rally in New York. 'My sources indicate Hillary is bisexual and fools around much more than her husband'
-Political Commentator Jack Wheeler
Will Hillary be the first female president? Many think so. If so, will she announce to the world that she is a homosexual lesbian after securing the Office of President? The reality of such wickedness is upon America today. Expect a pack of lies from Senator Clinton if she does run for the Presidency. FOX News has already by trying to whitewash Hillary by claiming that she's actually starting to move towards the "right" concerning abortion and other issues. Don't you believe it! Hillary is as left as they come, a Jezebel in disguise. --FOCUS--
When trying to dissertate the imposing lesbian threat to our culture, the most frustrating conundrum I face is persuading heterosexuals not to-do not focus one's attention and displeasure with their sex acts. Surprising as it may seem, this one short-fall is the Trojan-horse for the lesbian takeover. This is exactly their weasel: To keep the heterosexual mind in shock about their sex acts and all the while slithering their way into high government positions, court systems, universities and large private corporations. (stealing billions along the way) For this very reason, I urge the reader to not fall into their "smoke and mirror" trap; but, concentrate on how Hillary's lesbian addiction propels her mental psychoses into rage and hatred against the American people and even herself. A factor of grave concern, making Hillary and Janet Reno the two most dangerous persons on the face of this earth.
No...You don't know the rest of the story, but stay tuned on how her "evil empire" intends to overthrow America... However, foremost and above all , start asking questions, it's your duty to God.
Steve Lashuk
Hillary Gets Gay Endorsements
The Associated Press - Thursday July 27, 2000
NEW YORK (AP) - Hillary Rodham Clinton's Senate campaign won the endorsement of two gay advocacy organizations Thursday, the Empire State Pride Agenda and the Washington-based Human Rights Campaign.
"Mrs. Clinton is the clear leader on every single issue of importance to the lesbian and gay community," said Tim Sweeney of the Empire State Pride Agenda during a news conference on the steps of City Hall.
Clinton was cited for her support of civil unions providing legal recognition for gay couples; for favoring homosexuals being allowed to serve openly in the military; for supporting laws against hate-crimes; and for backing abortion rights.
Another organization, Housing Works, which provides housing for homeless people with AIDS, defended Lazio, pointing out his support for funding for housing and jobs for AIDS patients. "Lazio has real achievements in the area of HIV/AIDS," the group said.
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"Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them."
-Romans 1:24-32
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#746. To: A K A Stone (#745)
Then - kindly define your terms, please, so I can understand where you are coming from. What exactly do you mean when you say "The Word of God" ?
I will defend the King James version. I trust that one. I will probably not answer every one of your questions if you just cut and paste some big list. I'm not your sucker.
Jesus is the ONLY way to Heaven!!!
Believe it or not, I am not just "cutting and pasting" - everything I am doing I am typing up by hand from my own research. That's why it takes me a while to collect, process, and post. I have to go sifting through paper and physical notes. I'm only selecting the "really good" ones for you. Otherwise, you'd wind up with thousands upon thousands of errors to deal with. There is quite a bit of editing that I am going through here so that I don't just throw softballs at you. This is the tough stuff, the hard to defend stuff, the things debated in Seminaries, and the absolutely unanswerable and undefendable problems. There are hundreds and hundreds of mathematical, historical, quotational, and other errors plaguing the KJV. My point is simple: These errors exist and they cannot be defended without allowing the possibility of error in the text. I believe I can prove that easily. Most of these errors are not easily 'explained away' without resorting to the old saw "scribal error" - which is, in itself, an admission of error in the text. That is my only point: The text has problems that are not easily "explained" - many apologetics rely on smoke, mirrors, and BS to do that. I am happy to analyze any apologetic response and point out the errors and/or logical fallacies in it if presented one. The street runs both ways, you know :-)
it is the thread that never ends..... it just goes on and on my friends.....
Elias is Greek for Elijah. Acutally Elias/Elijah are mentioned in prophecy from the Old testament. From Malachi Chapter 5. That debunks your point. I'll get to some more later. Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments. 5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:
Jesus is the ONLY way to Heaven!!!
Read my comment again: "There are no prophecies in the OT of things that were to happen to Elias or Elijah" Mark 9:13 says "But I say unto you that Elias is indeed come, and they have done unto him whatoever they listed, as it is written of him." What things happenned to him? What did people do to him that was prophecied? This has not been debunked. The escape hatch of "He will arrive" does not meet the problem of the non-prophecy of things happenning to him. Malachi simply says that he will arrive *for Judgment Day* - which is what I understand "Day of the LORD" to mean. As we know, Judgment Day has yet to occur....another false statement? Perhaps. What say you? Is my analysis flawed here?
Judgement day hasn't come yet. So that was a prophecy of something to come in the future. I will look at your other points later and address them as time permits. Thanks.
That thy beloved may be delivered; save with thy right hand, and hear me.
How could it be a prophecy of something to come in the future if Elias came nearly 2000 years ago according to Mark? Its a conundrum, isn't it? How can Elias be prophecied to come for Judgment Day in the OT, yet Mark says he has already come .... ? I'll save the second batch of problems including the infamous "pi" problem for some time in the future. I get the feeling this batch will tie you up in knots for a while.
Its a conundrum, isn't it? How can Elias be prophecied to come for Judgment Day in the OT, yet Mark says he has already come .... ? I'll save the second batch of problems including the infamous "pi" problem for some time in the future. I get the feeling this batch will tie you up in knots for a while. He is coming back. duh
That thy beloved may be delivered; save with thy right hand, and hear me.
Where does it say Elijah comes *twice* ?? The *one* time was for the Judgment, right? I'm confused now. Where did the second coming of Elijah come from? That's not in Scripture!
The *one* time was for the Judgment, right? I'm confused now. Where did the second coming of Elijah come from? That's not in Scripture! Go back and read your bible. Elijah never died.
That thy beloved may be delivered; save with thy right hand, and hear me.
Yes it is. In Malachi where I quoted from. Also in Revelation. If you are going to be making stuff up I'm not going to answer your questions.
That thy beloved may be delivered; save with thy right hand, and hear me.
Uh wrong again. (Deuteronomy 18:15,18-19).
That thy beloved may be delivered; save with thy right hand, and hear me.
the longest thread on 4 so far: Who is your favorite TOS bot? posted by Dude
Mark 1:2 is one sentence from this quote: 2 As it is written in Isaiah the prophet: "BEHOLD, I SEND MY MESSENGER AHEAD OF YOU, WHO WILL PREPARE YOUR WAY; 3 THE VOICE OF ONE CRYING IN THE WILDERNESS, `MAKE READY THE WAY OF THE LORD, MAKE HIS PATHS STRAIGHT.' " Which is from Isaiah 40:3 A voice of one crying out: Prepare the way of the Lord in the wilderness; make a straight highway for our God in the desert. Mark 9:13 See Malachi 4:5 Look, I am going to send you Elijah the prophet before the great and awesome Day of the Lord comes. Luke 13:4 Because these people rejected the slowly flowing waters of Shiloah and rejoiced with Rezin and the son of Remaliah, Just because it wasn't called the same name doesnt mean the reference wasnt to the same place.. "SW corner of Jerusalem in the Kidron valley, mentioned in the Bible. A nearby 1,700-foot-long (518 m) tunnel, dating from the time of Hezekiah, diverted water underneath Jerusalem to the pool inside the city wall; it deprived the invading Assyrians of water during their siege of Jeruslaem. An inscription discovered in 1880 describes the cutting of the tunnel. It appears as Shiloah in Isaiah, and as Shelah in Nehemiah. Jesus directed the healed blind man to go and wash in the pool." John 5:46 Are you trying to say that because Moses didnt use Jesus by name he never referred to a coming savior...messiah? John 7:38 38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, from within him shall flow rivers of living water. See Zec 14: 8 And in that day it shall be That living waters shall flow from Jerusalem... Now no doubt you will say that because it says Jerusalem vs HIM this is incorrect.. but much of the OT did prophesize a Messiah but they referred to the concept.. not to Jesus by name. John 20:9 For as yet they knew not the scripture, that he must rise from the dead. <-- I dont get your point on this one it makes no sense. Acts 20:35 I have shown you in every way, by laboring like this, that you must support the weak. And remember the words of the Lord Jesus, that He said, 'It is more blessed to give than to receive.' " This is not referenced in the Gospels, possibly something that was said to only Paul.. of course can't be proven one way or another.. And also perhaps although the Gospels recorded the words of Jesus over his ministry, there was no way that every word that was uttered from his mouth was recorded in 3 books ? Other than that .. I have no answer for this one. Acts 3:21 whom heaven must receive until the period of restoration of all things about which God spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets from ancient time. Matt 8:32 And Jesus stood still, and called them, and said, What will ye that I should do unto you? < -- Not the verse I think you meant to post? 1 Thess 5:21 "21 prove all things; hold fast that which is good; 22 abstain from every form of evil." Who can prove the existance of God? The Bible places the burden of proof on the Bible believer if one takes this statement to be true. < --- this scripture doesnt have to do with proving God's existence but rather testing things against scripture just as those today aren't doing when certain preachers preach anti bibilical sermons. Now enough of this for now..
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2 As it is written in Isaiah the prophet: "BEHOLD, I SEND MY MESSENGER AHEAD OF YOU, WHO WILL PREPARE YOUR WAY; 3 THE VOICE OF ONE CRYING IN THE WILDERNESS, `MAKE READY THE WAY OF THE LORD, MAKE HIS PATHS STRAIGHT.' " Which is from Isaiah 40:3 A voice of one crying out: Prepare the way of the Lord in the wilderness; make a straight highway for our God in the desert. Mark 9:13 See Malachi 4:5 Look, I am going to send you Elijah the prophet before the great and awesome Day of the Lord comes. Luke 13:4 Because these people rejected the slowly flowing waters of Shiloah and rejoiced with Rezin and the son of Remaliah, Just because it wasn't called the same name doesnt mean the reference wasnt to the same place.. "SW corner of Jerusalem in the Kidron valley, mentioned in the Bible. A nearby 1,700-foot-long (518 m) tunnel, dating from the time of Hezekiah, diverted water underneath Jerusalem to the pool inside the city wall; it deprived the invading Assyrians of water during their siege of Jeruslaem. An inscription discovered in 1880 describes the cutting of the tunnel. It appears as Shiloah in Isaiah, and as Shelah in Nehemiah. Jesus directed the healed blind man to go and wash in the pool." John 5:46 Are you trying to say that because Moses didnt use Jesus by name he never referred to a coming savior...messiah? John 7:38 38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, from within him shall flow rivers of living water. See Zec 14: 8 And in that day it shall be That living waters shall flow from Jerusalem... Now no doubt you will say that because it says Jerusalem vs HIM this is incorrect.. but much of the OT did prophesize a Messiah but they referred to the concept.. not to Jesus by name. John 20:9 For as yet they knew not the scripture, that he must rise from the dead. <-- I dont get your point on this one it makes no sense. Acts 20:35 I have shown you in every way, by laboring like this, that you must support the weak. And remember the words of the Lord Jesus, that He said, 'It is more blessed to give than to receive.' " This is not referenced in the Gospels, possibly something that was said to only Paul.. of course can't be proven one way or another.. And also perhaps although the Gospels recorded the words of Jesus over his ministry, there was no way that every word that was uttered from his mouth was recorded in 3 books ? Other than that .. I have no answer for this one. Acts 3:21 whom heaven must receive until the period of restoration of all things about which God spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets from ancient time. There were no prophets when the world began.< --- On this I beg to differ... the prophesies began in Genesis w/ Adam and Eve. Matt 8:32 And Jesus stood still, and called them, and said, What will ye that I should do unto you? < -- Not the verse I think you meant to post? 1 Thess 5:21 "21 prove all things; hold fast that which is good; 22 abstain from every form of evil." Who can prove the existance of God? The Bible places the burden of proof on the Bible believer if one takes this statement to be true. < --- this scripture doesnt have to do with proving God's existence but rather testing things against scripture just as those today aren't doing when certain preachers preach anti bibilical sermons. Now enough of this for now.. That's a lot of work you put into that. Good job.
That thy beloved may be delivered; save with thy right hand, and hear me.
Well that's not near all of them but it wouldve taken all night I'll address the rest another time
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As soon as that batch is complete, im sure another batch will be posted. Good night.
That thy beloved may be delivered; save with thy right hand, and hear me.
I never said he died. Where do you get that from? Elijah was taken up to heaven *to be sent down* for Judgment Day, right?
Have any of you ever read the bible and interpreted it as a PERSONAL JOURNEY THROUGH LIFE rather than taking everything so freakin' literally as if each and every prophecy would happen simultaneously to everyone? (second coming of Christ... maybe it's not what you EXPECT at all? Maybe it's a personal experience rather than a worldwide one?) Ever think outside of the box for yourself without asking OTHER people to tell you what something means? I mean, the bible DOES tell the story of a single person's LIFE from birth through death told through parables and prophesies... An example: Revelations quite aptly describes the death of a single (wo)man... Genesis describes the cycle of birth... It's an incredible compilation of words but unless you dare to break away from the forcefed views, you simply won't see that side of it. Do this and THEN read the same chapter every day for a week from the day's new & different perspective and you'll come away amazed at how different it reads today from yesterday. It fits what's happening TO YOU at any given time. Yet what has changed? The words? NO... only you have. Just a thought tossed out for your consideration...
Don't force feed me your views... talk to me so I can hear you...
But where's the fun in that for my inner lawyer?
Close :) John 5:46 Are you trying to say that because Moses didnt use Jesus by name he never referred to a coming savior...messiah? Acts 20:35 I have shown you in every way, by laboring like this, that you must support the weak. And remember the words of the Lord Jesus, that He said, 'It is more blessed to give than to receive.' " Acts 3:21 whom heaven must receive until the period of restoration of all things about which God spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets from ancient time. There were no prophets when the world began.< --- On this I beg to differ... the prophesies began in Genesis w/ Adam and Eve. See Malachi 4:5 Look, I am going to send you Elijah the prophet before the great and awesome Day of the Lord comes. All I've said is that these are "problems" and that there are lot of mathematical, dating, and non-quote parts of the Bible. These are just some. The Isaiah one is a misquote at best, a non-quote at worst. The NT is full of "As is written..." and there is nowhere one can find it. There are a lot of paraphrases and misquotes as well. The Jeremiah one is a non-quote. A "close" phrase can be found in Zecariah, but it still leaves the error intact. Probably the most famous error is a mathematical one in 1 Kings 7:23 and 2 Chron 4:2 which says: A circle cannot be 10 cubits in diameter and 30 cubits in circumference. Since the circumference of a circle is the diameter times pi (which can be approximated as 22/7 or 3.14) the circumference of the "molten sea" must be 31.4 cubits. This is pure mathematical error and is a well known problem with the OT.
tee hee... hell, farm him out to those in need of a good bible attorney... there's plenty of folks your inner lawyer can toy with even while you stay above the battle...
Don't force feed me your views... talk to me so I can hear you...
That's the point I'm trying to make. Its a book filled with *religious truth* and has real errors if one tries to take it literally. It should be used as a guide to learn from and also to be inspired by. That's about all it can be used for. If one thinks it is inerrant, it can be absolutely shredded due to the multiple errors it contains. I've said that many many many times and stand by it. Besides, if one were to take it literally, one would have to advocate for slavery. I doubt anyone in this day and age would be willing to do that.
"In the First Century, the coming Messiah was expected to be a military or political leader to bring about the Kingdom on earth." .. what does this have to do with this passage? nothing. As far as a chronological problem.. as I said the prophesies began in Genesis.. Abraham prophesized, those that did weren't 'official' prophets I suppose they needed to have some initiation process? Interesting how you jumped to passages I didnt even address as yet.. I wonder if you are looking for exact quotes to prove your point or do references to concepts not count in your mind?
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you know what mirage - you don't know what you're talking about. you've got a lot of opinions about the bible. but I don't trust a word you say. you are an obstinate naysayer.
Naw, check the time on it. I was out all night getting my mom ready for snowfall, got home, and didn't want to be up all night :-) Figured I'd say "don't waste your time" on some of it and just gave the answer up. The quote from KJV on prophets is that they were there from the beginning of the world, which is inaccurate. It doesn't matter if it started in Genesis 'somewhere'. It says "beginning of the world" which means before people, period. Later translations (I used KJV) like RSV or NIV are more nebulous in timing. I guess it is for that specific reason. As I've said, these are *problems* with the book. The math stuff is simply inexplicable. Most of this comes from research I did for a paper when finishing college. Jesuit universities tend to have some interesting curriculum and the errors come from research from a paper entitled "What I'd tell God about the Bible" - I said it was error prone, problematic, and difficult to deal with, and it is. References to concepts don't count. If it says "foo, bar, baz, AS IT IS WRITTEN" then it had better be there or its a misquote or nonquote. The statement says it is written somewhere; you should be able to cross-check and find it, not have to go searching for a 'concept'.
No, I'm an obstinate researcher. If you want to take the math problem on, feel free. Pi != 3.0 and nothing can change that.
On this I disagree..
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Additionally, if you are an 'obstinate' researcher as you say, then you know that the KJV is a poor translation..
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Absolutely I do, but, unfortunately, people who wish to claim "absolute inerrancy" claim that KJV is "absolutely inerrant." If you're going to build a list of errors, why not start with the most common and error-prone translation out there?
If you're going to build a list of errors, why not start with the most common and error-prone translation out there? IMO that's not being honest..
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I have to disagree. The dishonesty is in trying to say "it doesn't say what it says" when it plainly does or deny an error where it exists. That's the business of apologetics, both political and religious. Some honest apologists will say "This can't be resolved" but other dishonest ones will continue with the "It doesn't say what it says, but says X instead" which is completely dishonest. An honest person would say "The text is in error" or "the translation has an error" as opposed to trying to defend something that cannot be defended, but that doesn't ever seem to happen.
Well I will say that the KJV is a poor translation.. I never refer to the KJV because of it.. if you are truthfully trying to seek the truth and/or errors then why not refer to a better translation rather than to use the KJV as a 'gotcha'?
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I do often. However, a lot of people insist on KJV, like Stone. What do you do with them when they won't acknowledge that it has problems and also won't even consider anything else? Well, you have to give them what they're willing to look at, right? The gotcha with that is not mine, it is theirs. Typically, I use a copy of the Layman's Parallel Bible, which has four translations on each page. I can scan all four at the same time. Other times, I'll use an old RSV that I've gotten to like.
yes I have a parallel bible and an interlinear. I use the New American Standard.. Im not sure why people think the KJV is the ONLY translation that's correct.. once I asked one of these people..when she told me that the KJV is the only correct bible.. I asked her what about the Japanese? And her answer? They use the Japanese King James Version LOL!
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Its a Baptist thing for the most part. They've concluded that there was divine intervention when doing the translation and that the 1611 KJV is the only "divinely authorized" version out there and it is one of their doctrines. Don't try to talk sense into them; they won't listen and all they will do is gripe and bitch at you and call you names if you don't agree with them. Hence, my usual statement when I run into such hide-bound folk, "These so-called Christians aren't very Christian." Anyhow, the real problem is their "Doctrine of Inerrancy" - since they figure God himself wrote the book, and, in the case of Baptists, sat down and guided the hands creating the 1611 KJV, it must be perfect in every way and is frozen until the end of time. The major problem with that is that the book is not inerrant, regardless of what spin, smoke, mirrors, and BS the apologists try. The real deal is that they fear that if an admission of error gets out without being stomped into submission, that everything will be lost if their Bible is shown to have but one error in it. After all, a flawed work cannot be the product of a perfect being. That is really what is going on and you'll actually get apologists and SBC people to admit to that if you talk to them outside of their "business" environment. Occasionally, an apologist will confess to this in an interview as well, but those admissions are few and far between.
It seems it's no longer theology but an ideology.
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Exactly. One of the things I've been researching is why people do this and why they cling to such doctrines. I've also been trying to figure out why the over-violent reactions. I have more than enough data to draw conclusions with. This is a similar problem to what was wrong with the Catholic Church and brought on the Reformation and Counter-Reformation. The reformers have become what they beheld and are content that they have done right. It is sad, but true.
I posted this in reply to BAclinger and recieved no reply. Not a "KOOK" or a "ROTFLOL". http:// libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=118893&Disp=20#C20
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#747. To: mirage (#746)
#748. To: A K A Stone (#747)
I will probably not answer every one of your questions if you just cut and paste some big list. I'm not your sucker.
#749. To: Dakmar (#740)
#750. To: mirage (#735)
Mark 9:13 "But I say unto you, that Elias is indeed come, and they have done unto him whatsoever they listed, as it is written of him." There are no prophecies in the Old Testament of things that were to happen to Elias or Elijah
#751. To: A K A Stone (#750)
#752. To: mirage (#751)
#753. To: A K A Stone (#752)
So that was a prophecy of something to come in the future.
#754. To: mirage (#753)
How could it be a prophecy of something to come in the future if Elias came nearly 2000 years ago according to Mark?
#755. To: A K A Stone (#754)
He is coming back. duh
#756. To: mirage (#755)
Where does it say Elijah comes *twice* ??
#757. To: mirage (#755)
The *one* time was for the Judgment, right? I'm confused now. Where did the second coming of Elijah come from? That's not in Scripture!
#758. To: mirage (#735)
John 5:46 "For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me." Moses never referred to Jesus in any recognizable way.
#759. To: A K A Stone, Dude Lebowski (#758)
#760. To: mirage (#735)
There were no prophets when the world began.< --- On this I beg to differ... the prophesies began in Genesis w/ Adam and Eve.
#761. To: Zipporah (#760)
Mark 1:2 is one sentence from this quote:
#762. To: A K A Stone (#761)
#763. To: Zipporah (#762)
Well that's not near all of them but it wouldve taken all night I'll address the rest another time
#764. To: A K A Stone (#756)
Go back and read your bible. Elijah never died.
#765. To: All (#764)
#766. To: siagiah (#765)
Have any of you ever read the bible and interpreted it as a PERSONAL JOURNEY THROUGH LIFE rather than taking everything so freakin' literally as if each and every prophecy would happen simultaneously to everyone?
The craft was manned by a crew that had been frozen to death. The heating equipment of the ship had been destroyed and the unimaginable cold of outer space had done the rest. The result was instant death for the men who were the last of the Trigans, all that were left of a once-mighty civilization, pride of the planet Elekton.
#767. To: Zipporah (#760)
Now enough of this for now..
In the First Century, the coming Messiah was expected to be a military or political leader to bring about the Kingdom on earth.
The point is simply that there is no other reference to it, that's all.
The world began before Adam and Eve. There were no prophets at the beginning of things, only after Adam and Eve. Its a chronological problem.
This is a miss because it does not say that people would do things to Elijah as the NT states in Mark 9:13 which says "But I say unto you, That Elias is indeed come, and they have done unto him whatoever they listed, as it is written of him." He made a molten sea, ten cubits from the one brim to the other: it was round all about, and its height was five cubits: and a line of thirty cubits in circumference.
#768. To: Tauzero (#766)
But where's the fun in that for my inner lawyer?
#769. To: siagiah (#765)
Have any of you ever read the bible and interpreted it as a PERSONAL JOURNEY THROUGH LIFE rather than taking everything so freakin' literally as if each and every prophecy would happen simultaneously to everyone?
#770. To: mirage (#767)
#771. To: mirage (#769)
#772. To: Zipporah (#770)
Interesting how you jumped to passages I didnt even address as yet.. I wonder if you are looking for exact quotes to prove your point or do references to concepts not count in your mind?
#773. To: Red Jones (#771)
you are an obstinate naysayer.
#774. To: mirage (#772)
References to concepts don't count. If it says "foo, bar, baz, AS IT IS WRITTEN" then it had better be there or its a misquote or nonquote. The statement says it is written somewhere; you should be able to cross-check and find it, not have to go searching for a 'concept'.
#775. To: mirage (#773)
#776. To: Zipporah (#775)
Additionally, if you are an 'obstinate' researcher as you say, then you know that the KJV is a poor translation..
#777. To: mirage (#776)
Absolutely I do, but, unfortunately, people who wish to claim "absolute inerrancy" claim that KJV is "absolutely inerrant."
#778. To: Zipporah (#777)
IMO that's not being honest..
#779. To: mirage (#778)
An honest person would say "The text is in error" or "the translation has an error" as opposed to trying to defend something that cannot be defended, but that doesn't ever seem to happen.
#780. To: Zipporah (#779)
if you are truthfully trying to seek the truth and/or errors then why not refer to a better translation rather than to use the KJV as a 'gotcha'?
#781. To: mirage (#780)
#782. To: Zipporah (#781)
Im not sure why people think the KJV is the ONLY translation that's correct.
#783. To: mirage (#782)
#784. To: Zipporah (#783)
It seems it's no longer theology but an ideology.
#785. To: mirage, All (#784)
Exactly. One of the things I've been researching is why people do this and why they cling to......
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