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Title: NAACP calls for Mount Rushmore to be demolished
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League of the South/Rebellion blog
URL Source: http://www.lsrebellion.blogspot.com/
Published: Apr 1, 2013
Author: Old Rebel
Post Date: 2013-04-01 21:39:12 by X-15
Keywords: None
Views: 2993
Comments: 127
At a hastily organized news conference today, the national president of the NAACP asserted that images of two of the presidents honored on Mount Rushmore, George Washington and Thomas Jefferson, are "offensive and hurtful." National NAACP president Rev. William Barber claimed that he was shocked Friday when he was shown a picture of the monument. Upon researching the memorial's history on Wikipedia, he discovered what he described as "disturbing truths" that require the site's "total demolition." Both former presidents were slaveowners. One historian who disagrees is Civil War historian Kevin M. Levin. "I sympathize with Reverend Barber, and normally I do not disagree with black people, especially those who are bigger than me. But as a student of history, I think we need to appreciate Mount Rushmore in its historical context." These arguments have not changed Barber's mind. "He is right that it has a historical context," Barber said. "But what is that history? The history of racism. The history of lynchings. The history of death. The history of slavery. If you say that shouldn't be offensive, then either you don't know the history, or you are denying the history." When asked why the images of Lincoln and Roosevelt should suffer the same fate, Barber laughed. "They've been hangin' with George and Tom too long to be innocent. They had their chance."
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#1. To: X-15 (#0)
LOL that's what he chose to make a stink about? The creator of the monument was a member of the KKK. LOL A study group recently released its findings as to the best presidents of the United States of America. Obama has been rated as the 4th best president ever: Reagan and 9 others tied for first, 15 presidents tied for second, 18 tied for third, and Obama came in fourth. PPP bump! (pretti pfukin pfunni) “The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken LOL A study group recently released its findings as to the best presidents of the United States of America. Obama has been rated as the 4th best president ever: Reagan and 9 others tied for first, 15 presidents tied for second, 18 tied for third, and Obama came in fourth. Very good. :)
"Mr. Prime Minister, there is only one important question facing us, and that is the question whether the white race will survive." -- Leonid Brezhnev to James Callahan
This guy must really have a problem then with the memorial carving on Stone Mountain honoring Jefferson Davis, Generals Robert E. Lee and Thomas J. "Stonewall" Jackson. I doubt he would ever dare say demolish it. He isn't that brave.
God is always good!
This is an April Fools joke, right? On the other hand, it's stupid enough to be real. This country is so fucked. Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner. Nigger didn't know until then who was on Mount Rushmore? If he found out the truth about Lincoln his pea-brain would explode. "Have Brain, Will Travel
hahahahaha. i burst out laughing on that one too. you're making my night, Jim, and you would not believe how much in need of some good laughs i am.
(pretti pfukin pfunni) LOL!!!!!!
whatever's bothering you, if you ignore it, it will go away sooner or later
maybe you're not tough enough to run a forum like this... i mean, the continual barrage of chicken littles cant be doing you any good if you're not mean enough to blow them off see what i mean?
of course, i'm speaking on the assumption that you're a real human female ...and i'm speaking from the viewpoint of a supposedly human male . so, once we get the gender shit sorted out, we have to assume that a female would be disturbed more by a relationship problem than by an occupational problem so what's your problem? is the job getting to be too much for you? ...is it a job, or is it not? are you cover for some kind of psychological profiling of radical texans? ...is the job wearing you down? or is it something personal that we have no right to ask about?
my mom and i are walking through the hospital parking lot on the way to see my dad after his second or third heart attack... she says, "i hope he dies." that seemed kinda inappropriate
they dont know why they do it . maybe they wake up one morning, look in the mirror, and "baby" is stamped on their forehead in big red letters *shrug* . so they enslave themselves to a man that will... ...protect their genetic investment?
once the kids are gown up and fending for themselves, the game changes, doesnt it?
the golden years, parked in front of the television... hoping against hope that something appears that will make sense of it
no wonder you need a laugh
Former lurker takes a vacation , you pop up out of the blue from your hiatus to take up for his slack. Shill agent IF you ain't I'll eat my hat. __ There are only two kinds of americans left in the USA those opposed to the tyranny and those that are wrong. Resist propaganda, Support strict constitutional adherence!
dont blame me if your wife poisons you once the kids are grown
I wouldn't. I would blame the perpetrator. Which would not be her because she loves me. __ There are only two kinds of americans left in the USA those opposed to the tyranny and those that are wrong. Resist propaganda, Support strict constitutional adherence!
no doubt
Why did you choose lead.and.lag as your screen name ? Curious.
__ There are only two kinds of americans left in the USA those opposed to the tyranny and those that are wrong. Resist propaganda, Support strict constitutional adherence!
IF you ain't I'll eat my hat. It is interesting how l&l/Buckaroo shows up to SPAM threads. Because Buckaroo got worn out and banned. "lead and lag" is a term used to explain helicopter aerodynamics to compensate for the forward motion of the helicopter and resulting difference in lift, blades are hinged so the retreateing blade can "lead" and the advancing blade can "lag"... that equalizes the lift so the helicopter doesnt roll
Thats why he was talking about being banned... OK I get it now.... Wow... that is alot of dead energy invested/wasted into this. __ There are only two kinds of americans left in the USA those opposed to the tyranny and those that are wrong. Resist propaganda, Support strict constitutional adherence!
to compensate for the forward motion of the helicopter and resulting difference in lift, blades are hinged so the retreateing blade can "lead" and the advancing blade can "lag"... that equalizes the lift so the helicopter doesnt roll Believe it or not that just sank in , complete with mental imagery forfilling an understanding of the functioning. I'll be dipped in shit I learned something. __ There are only two kinds of americans left in the USA those opposed to the tyranny and those that are wrong. Resist propaganda, Support strict constitutional adherence!
we really dont know what's going on here, at all we dont know what's causing christine's distress, we dont know if christine is really in distress... maybe she's faking distress to make sympathy we dont know shit except that we know that millions of dollars are being spent to manipulate opinion.
and we also know that chrisitne's husband is a psychologist maybe he's got a contract
we dont know what's causing christine's distress, we dont know if christine is really in distress. we dont know shit except that we know that millions of dollars are being spent to manipulate opinion. From where I sit I just see you grilling her just to do it. I mean I can say that Christine does seem a bit more downtrodden of late. In this world aren't we all? Most all of us here can see the writing on the walls. Who among us wants to lose our loved ones over an insane nations war lust? The world looks like shit and the writing on the walls says it is only gonna get worse before it gets better. So yeah, who could blame anyone that is enlightened for being a little perma bummed about that fact. Thats no reason to apply pressure and vice. __ There are only two kinds of americans left in the USA those opposed to the tyranny and those that are wrong. Resist propaganda, Support strict constitutional adherence!
maybe christine's husband is a psychologist, and he, along with a million other psychologists, have decided that the israeli american empire is unsustainable in psychological terms maybe that's getting christine down
maybe that's getting christine down Maybe that is the stupidest batch of horse shit I have read here that is on par with the banterings of Yukon.... For real dude? I mean for REAL!?!?!? This is hard for me to swallow. Maybe you have an improper attitude? Do you refuse that possibility? You shouldn't. __ There are only two kinds of americans left in the USA those opposed to the tyranny and those that are wrong. Resist propaganda, Support strict constitutional adherence!
well, christine's husband is a psychologist ...and you got to admit that bombing people, willy-nilly worldwide, is not good psychology
...unless you believe that might makes right pychologically, cooperation works better than might makes right in the long run
Lead..... Do you drink? Because I suspect you do. I recently stopped drinking myself. Regardless of any of that I fail to see how or why her man and her would co operate with the nation state of Isreal or any of its lobbies or organizations. I am pretty darn sure they remember Rachel Corrie. Semite supremacy is bullshit and I am certain they get it. Don't you get that too? __ There are only two kinds of americans left in the USA those opposed to the tyranny and those that are wrong. Resist propaganda, Support strict constitutional adherence!
Oh, Bucky is not that bad - unless he's on the sauce. It is just that he has a tendency to be obstreperously logorrheic.
Do you drink? Is the Bear Catholic? Does a Pope shit in the woods? we dont know, but christine, whatever she is, seems to have investested a lot in this forum. it's all going haywire, and that could be causing her distress... maybe, maybe not... maybe it's something else
And what did the nice pope say recently? Respond to evil with good. I have a shit load of good quips,wits , and truths to share Thats how its done right? __ There are only two kinds of americans left in the USA those opposed to the tyranny and those that are wrong. Resist propaganda, Support strict constitutional adherence!
Der of course Christine has alot invested in this forum... THIS IS HER FORUM! DERRRR OMG that last glistening nugget of obvious burned me a bit lead.and.lag. I don't think I can take that much more ...obviousness. Night. __ There are only two kinds of americans left in the USA those opposed to the tyranny and those that are wrong. Resist propaganda, Support strict constitutional adherence!
christine has been sitting on the fence so long her pretty little butt looks like a gridiron... except for encouraging racists... that seems strange but it's been so long now, she surely know what she's doing we dont know anything is christine really depressed, or is that a ploy for sympathy?
Humor is always the best antidote. Bucky and I have been around the block a few times and while he has occasionally managed to actually annoy me I generally take him with a grain of salt, make allowance, and respond with humor. That just frosts his little bobber even more. ;-)
Got Whiskey?
i notice the alternate site has gone tits up... what's that about?
OH GAWD ! F what I said! Drop the Ban hammer on him like like he's on fire and you got the gasoline!
__ There are only two kinds of americans left in the USA those opposed to the tyranny and those that are wrong. Resist propaganda, Support strict constitutional adherence!
we dont really know why christine is catering to idiots, but she is. assuming that christine herself is not an idiot, catering to idiots has got to be tiresome for christine
So spaketh the man banned - more than once.
the problem for christine, if she gives a shit about this forum, is her belief in free speech. by that free speech yardstick, idiots are entitled to speak, no matter how bad it tears her up *shrug*
Last I checked the thread was supposed to be about the NAACRAP. We wouldn't be trying to divert the thread now? Would we? you seemed to be a willing participant in the diversion until you got your ass handed to you
LOL! Got Delusions? forty minutes to register your spontaneous "LOL"
there's a couple things that will help us understand your desperation first would be hitler's description of jewish debate tactics second would be your realization that you're losing third would be your faith in lying
it's absolutely incomprehensible that people would use debate tactics as described by hitler in debates nowadays. must be a gene thing
if christine pulls the plug --in interest of preserving her sanity... who could blame her?
we dont need these forums any more... the truth is geting so obvious we dont need to debate... the truth is plain as the day on your face
How is it that you can so self-righteously conduct your rudeness ? Christine's purpose in making this forum available shouldn't concern you in the least. Please do Christine and the rest of us a favor and leave us with ONE LESS IDIOT to cater to. We should all be livid. Stop acting like docile, mentally castrated pussies and grow a pair. It's time to get in their face. Why should we speak in hushed tones and act all polite when we are being raped every day?
Speak for your self, mate. If I were you, I'd find something else to do. You do ask challenging questions at times, but you can't meet the challenge of a discussion without turning on folks you disagree with and imputing attitudes and motivations of a doubtful sort that seem to have their origins in projections peculiar to your own big self. Take a pill. Know guns, know safety, know liberty. No guns, no safety, no liberty.
wonderful
randge is scared shitless it's starting to dawn on people that hitler didnt need the internet now it's becoming obvious that the internet is a bust... nothing has really changed . pretty fucking scary, isnt it?
randge is scared shitless of what? let's explore that Know guns, know safety, know liberty. No guns, no safety, no liberty.
you're scared because israel's actions and the actions of the israel lobby and its toadies in congress are confirming hitler's opinion of jews down the line somewhere, this is all gonna have consequences it's the consequences you're scared of
if you listen to this song... listen a couple levels down... we used to listen that way... the girl that wrote this song probably listened to it a million times herself, trying to figure out what she was saying... .
And yet you feel compelled to add post after post after post, like a moth drawn to a flame. Both former presidents were slaveowners.
#2. To: X-15 (#0)
#3. To: Lod (#2)
(pretti pfukin pfunni)
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Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
#7. To: X-15 (#0)
National NAACP president Rev. William Barber claimed that he was shocked Friday when he was shown a picture of the monument.
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#9. To: Lod (#2)
PPP bump!
#10. To: christine (#8)
you would not believe how much in need of some good laughs i am
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how much in need of some good laughs
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dont blame me if your wife poisons you once the kids are grown
#21. To: titorite (#20)
she loves me
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#23. To: titorite, lead.and.lag (#18)
Shill agent
#24. To: titorite, lead.and.lag (#22)
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Why did you choose lead.and.lag as your screen name ?
#25. To: titorite (#22)
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Why did you choose lead.and.lag
#26. To: Original_Intent (#24)
Because Buckaroo got worn out and banned.
#27. To: lead.and.lag (#25)
lead and lag" is a term used to explain helicopter aerodynamics
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#30. To: lead.and.lag (#28)
we really dont know what's going on here, at all
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#32. To: lead.and.lag (#31)
maybe christine's husband is a psychologist, and he, along with a million other psychologists, have decided that the israeli american empire is unsustainable in psychological terms
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Lead.....
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#39. To: Original_Intent (#37)
Does a Pope shit in the woods?
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#57. To: lead.and.lag (#46)
assuming that christine herself is not an idiot, catering to idiots has got to be tiresome for christine
#58. To: lead.and.lag, All (#56)
we dont need these forums any more...
#59. To: randge (#58)
Take a pill.
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#64. To: lead.and.lag (#56)
we dont need these forums any more... the truth is geting so obvious we dont need to debate... the truth is plain as the day on your face
-Alex Kurtagic
#65. To: lead.and.lag (#55)
who could blame her? Christine could always pull YOUR posting privileges -- in the interest of preserving her sanity!! I've got an idea: why don't you go debate at http://www.libertypost.org and tell Goldi-Lox that she should shut down her forum because debate isn't necessary?? if christine pulls the plug --in interest of preserving her sanity...
-Alex Kurtagic
#66. To: X-15 (#65) (Edited)
the problem is that christine seems to recognize that i've got a valid point of view... so she tolerates me, up to a point... i post here because i got nothing else to do . these music people dont have much to do when they're touring... they do the show, they're wired... if you think they're mental cripples because they're entertainers... the truth leaks into them, then it leaks out again in their songs
#67. To: lead.and.lag (#66)
You're an attention-whore.
-Alex Kurtagic
#68. To: X-15 (#67) (Edited)
name-calling is always a valid defense attention-whore
#69. To: lead.and.lag (#68)
. . . when the sobriquet fits what size shoe do you wear?? name-calling is always a valid defense
Know guns, know safety, know liberty. No guns, no safety, no liberty.
#70. To: randge (#69)
about the same size you wear what size shoe do you wear??
#71. To: All (#70) (Edited)
anyhow, the hasbara has failed, the israeli american empire seems to sink into deeper shit every day, and it's all becoming too obvious to deny it's hard to say what christine's agenda is... maybe she doesnt have one doesnt matter... the truth is creeping out
#72. To: X-15, farmfriend, randge, Original_Intent (#0)
State names road after Mount Rushmore sculptor - Rapid City Journal, Mar 29, 2013
"I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it." - William S Burroughs
#73. To: X-15, lead.and.lag, christine, Jethro Tull, James Deffenbach, Original_Intent, Tatarewicz, Lod, Buzzard, X-15 (#67)
You're an attention-whore. Any sufficiently advanced troll is indistinguishable from a genuine kook.[5] (Note Arthur C. Clarke's Third Law.) ___________________________________ lead.and.lag has an unhealthy fixation on christine's personal life which is sufficient to disqualify him/her/it from any polite dialogue with us. We should ignore "him" for the duration until chris tires of "his" heel nipping and again banishes "him" to "his" private asylum-mastubatorium,where "he" can fixate on her from afar.... To: lead.and.lag
#74. To: HOUNDDAWG (#73)
LOL! :-)
#75. To: HOUNDDAWG (#73)
He wants to be a moderator :-o
-Alex Kurtagic
#76. To: lead.and.lag (#11)
Sounds to me like you're speaking of Global Warming/Peak Oil agendists there. the continual barrage of chicken littles
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#77. To: GreyLmist (#76)
about this chicken little stuff... myabe we can start with areas of agreement... can we agree that there are people in the world that think they're entitled to run the world? can we agree that this entitlement is based on their belief in their racial superiority? can we agree that, so far and despite their supposed superiority, these people have not demonstrated enough sense to pour piss out of a boot? can we agree that production from individual oil wells peaks, then declines? can we agree that production from fields of oil wells peaks, then declines? can we agree that production from entrie countries peaks, then declines? can we agree that all this implies that global oil production will, someday, peak and then decline? can we agree that co2 warms the atmosphere? can we agree that burning a gallon of gas produces about 20 pounds of co2? can we agree that humans are putting over 30 billion tons of extra co2 into the atmosphere every year? can we agree that if we put all the co2 back in the atmosphere, we will eventually return to a tropical climate that will melt the ice in greenland and antarctica? can we agree that there's enough water locked up in that ice that, if melted, sea level will rise by 70 or 80 meters? can we agree that a 70 or 80 meter sea level rise would not be a good thing for "business as usual"? so it looks to me that there's enough real chicken little stuff to worry about without people manufacturing more chicken little stuff like chemtrails and hysteria about "global extinction events" like the gulf oil spill and fukushima. now then, these people who are convinced that they're entitled to run the world... what if they believe the evidence of peak oil and global warming? what if they're especially vulnerable to both peak oil and global warming? what if they staged an event in response to peak oil and global warming... a truly despicable event, but one that would serve as a pretext to grab control of the remaining oil before oil shortages cripple their support system? what if that staged event was just another in a succession of bad ideas? ...ideas that dont prove their superiority, but instead prove how haywire their basic philosophy is?
#78. To: All (#77) (Edited)
the worst part of it is this: peak oil and global warming would not be nearly so "chicken little" if we were not wasting so much time and money and good will in defense of peole who are demonstrably sick... driven nuts by thousands of years of goofy philosophy if instead we were using those resources --the time, the money, the will-- to deal with peak oil and global warming, we'd have a lot better chance of avoiding chicken little events but the phony chicken little scenarios are confusing some people so badly that they are eliminated from the "will" pool... they waste their will and their brains and their concern on shit that is destructive... their preoccupation with this phony stuff destroys the consensus needed to muster the will... ...which is exactly what it's intended to do
#79. To: All (#78) (Edited)
so we degenerate into whining and carping and bickering... we're ineffective because we cant agree on what's "real"... and that's exactly the way these assholes have planned it... the assholes who are convinced they're so powerful, so superior, they can create their own reality
#80. To: lead.and.lag (#77) (Edited)
Chaff Chemtrails Detected by NWS Louisville Radar: During the afternoon hours of 7 January 2006, the Louisville NEXRAD radar (KLVX) detected what appeared to be chaff. Weatherman Explains Chemtrails on Radar Weatherman Slips... CHEM TRAILS, page 1 at abovetopsecret.com [My note: video reference at 8:13-8:51] ...now they won't confirm that but i was in the marine corp for many years and i tell you right now, thats what it is It's chaff. As he says, used by the military and does in fact show up on doplar radar. It's no secret. Do a google search for "chaff on weather radar". NOAA talks about it. The FAA talks about it. Chaff has been around as long as radar has. Both the British and the Germans developed it during World War II as a countermeasure for radar. It is presently used to throw radar guided missiles off their target More from the Comments at abovetopsecret.com: "No worries people, your safe to breath in this particular aluminum and plastic.. in fact anything you call 'chaff' automatically becomes harmless." I think that last comment was sarcasm and the one above it is wrong. Can we agree on that? Edited for punctuation. ...it looks to me that there's enough real chicken little stuff to worry about without people manufacturing more chicken little stuff like chemtrails...
It has been documented in the past, particularly in western states, that NWS NEXRAD radar can detect chaff. What is that you ask? Chaff is a radar countermeasure used by military aircraft consisting of very small pieces of metal such as aluminum. It can appear as narrow bands of reflectivity on the radar since they are dispersed by planes flying at high speeds along a path.
Here we have an Anchorman/Weather Man explaining in detail Chaff that is ejected from Military aircraft
That is not rain, that is not snow. Believe it or not, military aircraft flying through the region dropping chaft(sp?). Small bits of allummanim, plastic or sometimes metalized paper products
"nothing to do with chemtrails"
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#81. To: GreyLmist (#80) (Edited)
ah now chemtrails are not barium or aluminum , or sulfur or whatever other flavor of the day is in fashion now they're "allummanim, plastic or sometimes metalized paper products" and they're not intended to poison us all or geoengineer a cooler climate (and that's a relief, because global warming doesnt exist, anyhow) nope, chemtrails are radar countermeasures
#82. To: lead.and.lag (#81) (Edited)
So are we in agreement, then, that such radar countermeasures don't amount to chicken little hysteria (as you've characterized the concerned) but do account to some extent as actual chemtrails containing aluminum and other metals? Edited punctuation. chemtrails are radar countermeasures
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#83. To: GreyLmist (#82) (Edited)
i picked the wrong day to forget a sarcasm tag... chaff has been around for since WWII, they used it in the vietnam war... not that it makes any difference . the problem you guys got is that you're unable to prove the existence of chemtrails chemtrails are radar countermeasures /sarc
#84. To: lead.and.lag (#83)
No, you're unable to admit that such radar countermeasures prove the existence of chemtrails to some extent. the problem you guys got is that you're unable to prove the existence of chemtrails
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#85. To: GreyLmist (#84)
we can get bogged down in legal hairsplitting about the definition of chemtrails, if you want to. are those chemtrails or contrails or chaff? 
#86. To: lead.and.lag (#85)
You tell me: Are those just contrails or are they chaff-chemtrails? are those chemtrails or contrails or chaff?
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#87. To: GreyLmist (#86)
probably contrails... i'd say with 99.99% certainty... . now then, we might as well be methodical about this... starting with: "what percentage of observed trail phenomena are chemtrails?" Are those just contrails
#88. To: lead.and.lag (#87)
starting with: "what percentage of observed trail phenomena are chemtrails?" I don't know. Do you? we might as well be methodical about this...
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#89. To: GreyLmist (#88) (Edited)
so you dont belong to the wudidiz/original_intent "i know a chemtrail when i see one" school of thought I don't know
#90. To: All (#89)
...the point being, if you cant tell the difference between a chemtrail and a contrail, how do you know that all "chemtrails" are not really contrails?
#91. To: lead.and.lag, wudidiz, Original_Intent (#90)
I haven't studied the subject of chemtrails as extensively as others but have seen what I suspected were lingering chemtrails rather than contrails. You didn't answer my question, though. Do you know what percentages of observed trail phenomena are contrails or chemtrails?
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#92. To: GreyLmist (#91) (Edited)
everything i've observed (including making my own contrails at sea level in the arctic, starting at about 35 below and colder) can be explained as contrails. there's ton of air going into those big engines every second, and a ton of co2 and nitrogen, plus a gallon of water, vaporized, coming out every second that water vapor is distributed evenly throughout the ton of co2 and nitrogen you got to ask yourself how much space a ton of co2, nitrogen and water vapor occupies at 30,000 or 40,000 feet... when the temperature, humidity and pressure are right, you get varying types of contrails, including persistant contrails. all this has been common knowledge in aviation circles since WWII you know what percentages of observed trail phenomena are contrails or chemtrails?
#93. To: All (#92)
i got to think that your chaff theory is lacking, mostly in visibility... if chaff were visible enough to be mistaken for contrails, there'd be pictures of the stuff... but i cant find any pictures... lots of pictures and videos of white phosphorus flares, though, but they are going off at low altitudes where contrails are not forming. ...white phosphorus because it's burning, and is effective against heat- seekers... cant be mistaken for contrails
#94. To: lead.and.lag (#92)
Are you licensed to shill or simply a freelancer ?
We should all be livid. Stop acting like docile, mentally castrated pussies and grow a pair. It's time to get in their face. Why should we speak in hushed tones and act all polite when we are being raped every day?
#95. To: noone222 (#94) (Edited)
i was licensed to fly helicopters until 2001... and i got a good education in navy flight school, and flew helicopters commerically until the summer of 2000. when you fly helicopters commercially, one of the first things you learn is that the customers will try to kill you ...they simply dont know any better so you learn to tell yourself the truth or you dont survive Are you licensed to shill
#96. To: lead.and.lag (#93)
Well, I did link to pictures of the stuff on weather radar screens. Ordinary contrails wouldn't show up so. if chaff were visible enough to be mistaken for contrails, there'd be pictures of the stuff
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#97. To: GreyLmist (#96) (Edited)
well, you'd expect radar countermeasures to show up on radar, wouldnt you? you might even expect chemtrails to show up on radar if they existed... seeing as how they're supposedly composed of aluminum and barium... or sulfur or silver iodide or whatver the fact remains: other than eyewitness reports, you guys have no evidence of chemtrails' existence... no evidence with a solid provenance you're unwilling to hire a jet and take samples directly from a supposed chemtrail, you're unwilling to acknowledge that you need temperature, humidity and altitude information to tell if contrails, including persistent contrails, are likely to form. there's just no evidence at all from reliable sources it's as simple as that Ordinary contrails wouldn't show up so.
#98. To: All (#97) (Edited)
i'm leaving out one critical aspect, though... that would be "faith" if alex jones is the second coming (or maybe the jewish first coming), then he's capable of turning loaves and fishes into unlimited amounts of chemtrails EDIT: oops... forgot the "/sarc" tag again
#99. To: lead.and.lag (#97)
You've got a point there. Nevertheless, they apparently did show up. I didn't say that countermeasure was flawless. You have no reasonable reason to not simply agree that the metallized chaff -- which you know is used for Military purposes and has been for quite some time -- is evidence of chemtrails to some extent. well, you'd expect radar countermeasures to show up on radar, wouldnt you?
the fact remains: other than eyewitness reports, you guys have no evidence of chemtrails' existence... no evidence with a solid provenance
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#100. To: GreyLmist (#99) (Edited)
You've got a point there. Nevertheless, they apparently did show up. I didn't say that countermeasure was flawless. you're missing the whole point of "countermeasures" they are designed to show up on radar to divert radar-guided incoming missles from the airplane well, you'd expect radar countermeasures to show up on radar, wouldnt you?
#101. To: lead.and.lag (#100)
Like I said before, I haven't extensively studied this subject. I'd rather discuss other issues instead but not right now. Maybe this evening.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#102. To: GreyLmist (#101) (Edited)
. myabe we can start with areas of agreement... can we agree that there are people in the world that think they're entitled to run the world? can we agree that this entitlement is based on their belief in their racial superiority? can we agree that, so far and despite their supposed superiority, these people have not demonstrated enough sense to pour piss out of a boot? can we agree that production from individual oil wells peaks, then declines? can we agree that production from fields of oil wells peaks, then declines? can we agree that production from entrie countries peaks, then declines? can we agree that all this implies that global oil production will, someday, peak and then decline? can we agree that co2 warms the atmosphere? can we agree that burning a gallon of gas produces about 20 pounds of co2? can we agree that humans are putting over 30 billion tons of extra co2 into the atmosphere every year? can we agree that if we put all the co2 back in the atmosphere, we will eventually return to a tropical climate that will melt the ice in greenland and antarctica? can we agree that there's enough water locked up in that ice that, if melted, sea level will rise by 70 or 80 meters? can we agree that a 70 or 80 meter sea level rise would not be a good thing for "business as usual"? so it looks to me that there's enough real chicken little stuff to worry about without people manufacturing more chicken little stuff like chemtrails and hysteria about "global extinction events" like the gulf oil spill and fukushima. now then, these people who are convinced that they're entitled to run the world... what if they believe the evidence of peak oil and global warming? what if they're especially vulnerable to both peak oil and global warming? what if they staged an event in response to peak oil and global warming... a truly despicable event, but one that would serve as a pretext to grab control of the remaining oil before oil shortages cripple their support system? what if that staged event was just another in a succession of bad ideas? ...ideas that dont prove their superiority, but instead prove how haywire their basic philosophy is? have a nice nap, if that's what you intend to do not right now.
about this chicken little stuff...
#103. To: lead.and.lag (#102)
So lead, Chemtrail and con... Folks give you all kinds of links to the college boys that are doing new fangled things like cloud seeding and such. And you think what? That research like that isn't real? That Chemtrails do not exist? Do you really think their is no such thing as a chemtrail? I'll not be one to blame all manner of anything and everything on those chemical trails in the sky but I am not so completely ignorant or arrogant so as to say they are all benign contrails. as an avid daily radio listener both fm and am I think this article might be on to something rense.com/general79/chem.htm lord knows when the skys get unnaturally cloudy it does ruin my reception.
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#104. To: titorite (#103) (Edited)
if chemtrails exist, then you should be able to provide proof. so far, nobody's been able to apparently proof and evidence are too much to ask . you guys would rather whine and piss and moan rather than get off your asses and come up with real evidence but that's what you're expected to do... whine, piss and moan... that's what you're supposed to do you have unshakeable faith that... something's happening!... but you dont know if they're poisoning you or trying to control global warming (which, according to you, doesnt exist), you dont seem to have any idea what they're spraying you have nothing but contempt for suggestions that you take a methodical scientific approach to finding out if the problem even exists proof that the problem does not exist would jeopardize your victimhood and you cant stand for that
#105. To: titorite (#103) (Edited)
have you googled cloud seeding? if we've been seeding clounds for 60 years, is it "newfangled"? new fangled things like cloud seeding
#106. To: lead.and.lag (#105)
if we've been seeding clounds for 60 years, is it "newfangled"? Ah yes and yet you failed to answer my question regarding your (irrational) belief that chemtrails are imaginary. As for your google ponder? Top hit en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_seeding With an NFPA 704 rating of Blue 2, silver iodide can cause temporary incapacitation or possible residual injury to humans and mammals with intense or continued but not chronic exposure. However, there have been several detailed ecological studies that showed negligible environmental and health impacts.have you googled cloud seeding?
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#107. To: titorite (#106)
*shrug* ...negligible environmental and health impacts
#108. To: lead.and.lag (#107)
"Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking; where it is absent, discussion is apt to become worse than useless." ~ Leo Tolstoy
#109. To: wudidiz (#108)
#110. To: All (#109) (Edited)
if this is a joke, i'm not in on it, so all i can do is play it straight if it's not a joke, and you people are serious, i can see a grant here, and maybe a research paper entitled "masochistic behavior in chatrooms" ...which would lead to another research paper entitled, "why are some people compelled to beat dead horses?" then... there'd be "why are some people compelled to beat dead horses when they know the horse is not really dead, and isnt really a horse, either?"
#111. To: lead.and.lag (#102) (Edited)
Don't be silly. I replied about this part: I surmised from most of the rest that you were at least in semi-agreement on Global Warming/Peak Oil agendists being chicken littles of some measure. Are you ever going to agree or not that chaff-trails are chemtrails and so is cloud- seeding geo-engineering? It wasn't so I didn't. Edited for formatting. i'll post this again in hopes we can find more areas of agreement, seeing as how you didnt respond the first time
it looks to me that there's enough real chicken little stuff to worry about without people manufacturing more chicken little stuff like chemtrails
have a nice nap, if that's what you intend to do
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#112. To: GreyLmist (#111) (Edited)
please post pictures of chaff trails and silver iodide trails that chaff-trails are chemtrails and so is cloud- seeding
#113. To: GreyLmist (#111)
oh... i forgot you cant tell the difference between a chemtrail or a contrail, much less the difference between a chaff trail and a silver idodide trail... not to mention that chaff trails apparently are not very visible except by radar, and silver iodide isnt visible by all, given the amount used and application technique. then there's the problem of supposed chemtrails visibly forming directly behind the engines, with no spray apparatus visible... are we to assume that the chaff and silver iodide are coming out f the engines?
#114. To: GreyLmist (#111) (Edited)
let's take a little different approach, here... when did people start experimenting with cloud seeding? ...what was their purpose? what chemicals were used, how were they applied, and what were the results? are cloud seeders part of your illuminati scheme to combat global warming that doesnt exist? or does global warming exist? or is global warming a hoax that can be used as a pretext to use geoengineering which is a hoax that provides a pretext for exterminating humanity by spraying them with deadly chemicals like aluminum- and plastic-coated paper?
#115. To: GreyLmist (#111) (Edited)
i am saying that if we continue to waste resources on wars to defend israel and wars to achieve global hegemony, the situation could turn into a global near- extinction event. it's gonna be bad enough even if we all cooperate. ...but if radical jews have decided that this is their last chance to achieve tikkun olam, and they intend to achieve tikkun olam by force of arms, and they're willing to commit nuke suicide in the effort, all then bets are off ...you were at least in semi-agreement on Global Warming/Peak Oil agendists being chicken littles of some measure...
#116. To: All (#115) (Edited)
source: http://www.unce.unr.edu/publications/files/ag/other/sp8707.pdf ...page 70 
#117. To: All (#116) (Edited)
so if an aircraft is flying at 40,000 feet, and it's spraying us with a fog that contains deadly chemicals or bugs, and the air mass is uniformly moving, from the ground up to 40,000 feet, at 3 miles per hour... ...where is that deadly fog gonna wind up? well, it takes this fog 66 minutes (we'll call it an hour to make the arithmetic easier) to fall ten feet... the stuff falls 10 feet per hour... so, if it's be released at 40,000 feet, it will take 4000 hours to hit the ground. the wind is blowing 3 miles per hour... multiplied by 4000 hours gives us a distance of 12,000 miles... ...so the stuff will hit the ground 12,000 miles from the place it was released. . well, that's no problem, is it, cowboy? ...not if you intend to exterminate life on the whole goddamned planet.
#118. To: All (#117) (Edited)
i didnt much like the idea of spraying crops... but the company wanted me to go down to lodi and work for this outfit that was trying to use those obsolete kamans to spray... so i went... the object being, sell these doofus californians some obsolete helicopters but first i had to get a california pesticide applicators' license, and that was a scary damn test... testing your knowledge of stuff in that dismal applicators document posted as "source" above. . anyhow, my crop spraying career didnt last long... not after i watched the boss stampede a few hundred thousand dollars' worth of quarter horses through the fence and he didnt even shut down to tell the owner which direction they went... ...well, they went in every direction possible. the guy topped it off by spraying a little girl who was waiting next to the field for the school bus.
#119. To: lead.and.lag (#118)
I'm going to surmise from your last 7 posts that the answer to my question at #111 is: N-o. No, you are not ever going to agree. So, I have a different question this time that I'd like to ask a helicopter expert such as yourself. I read this comment at rumormillnews.com and have been wondering since then why helicopters don't travel about 1,000 miles or more in one hour just by staying in hover-mode if the earth is rotating at over 1,000 mph. I realize that the rotation speed is supposedly much slower at the poles but let's say you were hovering over the equator for an hour. Is it just gravity that would keep you from being 1,000 miles from where you started hovering 60 minutes earlier?
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#120. To: GreyLmist (#119)
i guess the only thing that keeps the earth from whizzing past under you is the friction of your feetsies against the ground for instance, if you were to jump up in the air, and leave the earth behind for, say, a tenth of a second, well, you'd land 144 feet from where to took off from try it rotating at over 1,000 mph
#121. To: lead.and.lag (#120) (Edited)
try it That's never happened to me when I've jumped up in the air. Why do you suppose not? Oddly enough, some people in my area who have a trampoline in their yard recently put some netting around it. True story -- so I'm not ruling out yet that it's to keep whoever jumps on it from landing 144 feet or so away. Edited for spelling. if you were to jump up in the air, and leave the earth behind for, say, a tenth of a second, well, you'd land 144 feet from where to took off from
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#122. To: GreyLmist (#121) (Edited)
what?!? you were jumping on a trampoline and you didnt wind up in cleveland? . guess we need a different theory...
#123. To: lead.and.lag (#122) (Edited)
No, I wasn't jumping on their trampoline. I just noticed that they put netting around it. I have jumped on other trampolines, though, and didn't even overfly them, let alone wind up in Cleveland. Yes, I think we do need a different theory besides just gravity. Edited for spelling.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#124. To: GreyLmist (#123) (Edited)
maybe inertia... some weird thing like that if you're standing on the ground, you're going 1000 mph... that's a lot of inertia or momentum or whatever you call it... it'd take lots of energy to slow you to a dead stop but then we're going around the sun, too... how fast is the earth going around the sun? and the sun is moving, too... how fast is the sun moving? do you spose there's any place in the universe that's not in motion? we do need a different theory besides just gravity
#125. To: GreyLmist (#123)
we need a reference point... someplace that's absolutely dead in the water... and we can use that place as the reference... everything's speed is measured by its speed in relationship to that point
#126. To: All (#125)
he'd been following me for a mile or so and he finally gives me a blip on his siren i pull over, he says, "you were doiing 75,417.3 miles an hour in a 75,410 zone." i say, "well, my mind was wandering..."
#127. To: lead.and.lag (#126)
If you were driving that fast on the Autobahn in Germany, you probably wouldn't have been pulled over. I hope he gave you just a warning instead of a ticket.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
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