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Title: Can you opt out of Obamacare?
Source: www.freerepublic.com
URL Source: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2963782/posts
Published: Nov 28, 2012
Author: TurboZamboni
Post Date: 2013-04-03 11:35:39 by sizzlerguy
Keywords: Obamacare, Section 1555, government, Nazicare
Views: 250
Comments: 10

Two weeks ago, I pointed out Section 1555, one of the major chinks in PPACA's armor according to an attorney at the Goldwater Institute. Section 1555 is the law under "Subtitle-G - Miscellaneous Provisions." Since brining this up, I've heard from some who believe that this section is limited solely to those who sell ("issue") health insurance.

Here again is Section 1555: "No individual, company, business, nonprofit entity, or health insurance issuer offering group or individual health insurance coverage shall be required to participate in any Federal health insurance program under this Act (or any amendments made by this Act), or in any Federal health insurance program expanded by this Act (or any such amendment), and their shall be no penalty or fine imposed upon any such issuer for choosing not to participate in such programs."

I've contacted Goldwater Institute's attorney Nick Dranius, and other attorneys for more information and opinions. I've also transcribed Mr. Dranius's webinar comments so you can read them for yourself. See "News to Know" below.

Posters note: lots more at the link listed above

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#1. To: sizzlerguy (#0)

It seems to affect sellers/issuers only.

And since the insurance industry wrote the accursed legislation, why would they opt out?

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2013-04-03   12:04:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

It seems to affect sellers/issuers only.

I dunno.

It says, "No individual (comma) company, etc."

I believe that "individual" means a natural person. I can never understand how they put these Rube Goldberg monstrosities of laws togther. All of this was sold as a way to force all of us into one system of health care.

The clause cited above seems to say, "Never mind."

Know guns, know safety, know liberty. No guns, no safety, no liberty.

randge  posted on  2013-04-03   12:09:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

"No individual, company, business, nonprofit entity, or health insurance issuer offering group or individual health insurance coverage...

The verb offering is key here.

Individual just means the agents.

Correctly diagramming sentences was hammered into my mush-head from the seventh grade on.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2013-04-03   12:22:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

You're right there Lod. I did misread the thing.

It's a cinch that with the insurers writing the damn thing, they'd leave themselves an out while leaving the rest of us slobs on the hook.

Know guns, know safety, know liberty. No guns, no safety, no liberty.

randge  posted on  2013-04-03   12:52:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I believe that "individual" means a natural person.

I believe you are correct about this. "Individual" means "person" which has a specific definition in the legal dictionary. It also means "corporation" since those entities are "fictions of law" and not a "natural" person. They are still "individuals".

Recall, in the movie, "Wizard of Oz" When the scarecrow is dancing and singing he relates about "individdle" or "individual". There was a lot of code in that movie that exposed the scam being perpetrated on us all. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2013-04-03   16:41:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

All corporation are "persons" albeit "artificial persons."

But only peeps like you and me are "natural persons."

Corporations are bit by bit usurping the rights and attributes of natural persons, which is contrary to the situation that existed when the Constitution and Bill of Rights were framed.

Know guns, know safety, know liberty. No guns, no safety, no liberty.

randge  posted on  2013-04-03   17:15:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

You vill do ass der state says ssssssitizen. You vill buy der state mandated program und you vill like it!

Original_Intent  posted on  2013-04-03   18:48:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

"No individual, company, business, nonprofit entity, or health insurance issuer offering group or individual health insurance coverage... The verb offering is key here.

Individual just means the agents.

if that's the case, then becoming an insurance agaent would be a way to opt out of obamacare. becoming a health/life agent, by the way is a peice of cake.

however that seems a silly way to oppose this garbage. how about we say we dont want or need this largely useless overpriced garbage so-called 'health coverage' and F-off if you dont like it?

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2013-04-03   23:39:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

You vill do ass der state says ssssssitizen. You vill buy der state mandated program and you vill like it!

Jo Wohl. Mein Fuhrer!

sizzlerguy  posted on  2013-04-04   10:22:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Corporations are bit by bit usurping the rights and attributes of natural persons, which is contrary to the situation that existed when the Constitution and Bill of Rights were framed.

Correct! The corporations continue to usurp authority and are becoming more powerful than individuals.

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2013-04-04   16:35:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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