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Title: We Don’t Need Obama’s Birth Certificate
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The Western Center For Journalism
URL Source: http://www.westernjournalism.com/we ... need-obamas-birth-certificate/
Published: Apr 9, 2013
Author: Louise Hodges
Post Date: 2013-04-09 15:41:16 by Original_Intent
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Keywords: O-ba-a-a-a-ama, Kenya, Fraud, Birth Certificate
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Comments: 30
I have no use for Barack Obama. I don’t need a President with a history of drug abuse who puts the dreams of his father above the interests of the United States. Obama’s presidency is like a giant sinkhole, swallowing up everything we ever valued as Americans. It’s almost an insult to our intelligence, to ask us to believe that Obama is a US citizen. He has a schizophrenic timeline of unexplained foreign travel, a list of aliases, and uncomfortable friendships with communists and hostile governments. We can drop this debate over his birth certificate because we have something even more valuable. We have his mother’s passport files. Stanley Ann Dunham’s passport files were obtained through the Freedom of Information Act and then posted online. (Strunk v. US Department of State) When Obama was young, children traveled as an addition to their parents’ passports. Passport regulations required a photo of parent and child together, as well as a certified copy of a hospital birth certificate. State-issued IDs came much later. If Obama was born in the United States, as everybody says, then there should be a photo of little Barack Obama with his mother, as well as a certified copy of his Hawaiian birth certificate in her file. Surprise. There are no photos of little Barack Obama in the file. And of course, there is no birth certificate from any hospital in Hawaii. I know the passport laws for children. Obama’s mother and I would be approximately the same age if she survived. I filled out the very same passport applications for my own daughter, three years after Obama’s mother took him to Jakarta. The laws were the same for both of us. My daughter was born in an Army hospital in Japan in 1971, when my husband was in the Navy. I added her to my passport so I could bring her back to the United States. I remember it like it was yesterday because my ex-husband complained about how complicated it was. We had to go to the hospital and get a certified copy of her birth certificate, re-take my passport photo with my daughter, crop it until it fit the requirements, and then go all the way to the US Consulate in Tokyo and stand in line. If there was anything the man hated, it was anything that cost him money or inconvenienced him. I carried a joint passport for myself and my daughter through US Customs and Immigration in Hawaii. I can tell you from experience that if Obama’s mother tried to take her son through US Customs and Immigration in Hawaii without a joint passport for herself and her son, she would have been stopped. The obvious question is, who took him through US Customs and Immigration and helped him board the plane in Hawaii? And who brought him back? The only mention of little Barack Obama is when his mother tried to renew her passport at the US Consulate in Jakarta a few years later. We see evidence of that in the file. She tried to trick the passport office. She went to the US Consulate in Jakarta and wrote “Barack Obama” in the section where you add your child. She thought, like we did, that they were going to add him to her passport, no questions asked. They probably laughed and asked her how her son got to Jakarta without a US Passport. When she failed to go get this Hawaiian birth certificate and retake her photo, the Passport Office crossed out his name. She found herself stuck in Jakarta, trying to sneak her son back to the United States. All Congress has to do is ask the Passport Legal Office to explain how Obama’s mother took him through US Customs and Immigration without a US passport. I don’t see that happening. If there was a logical explanation, Obama should look forward to clearing his name. Or maybe we’ll get lucky, and he’ll just get on a helicopter and leave. 
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#12. To: Original_Intent (#0)
Everybody doesn't say that he was born in the United States but there is an interesting post in the Comments section of the article that suggests he was born in Topeka, Kansas and that his Dunham granparents had custody of him, not his mother, so it is their passports rather than her's that would be at issue.
Passport regulations required a photo of parent and child together, as well as a certified copy of a hospital birth certificate. State-issued IDs came much later. If Obama was born in the United States, as everybody says, then there should be a photo of little Barack Obama with his mother, as well as a certified copy of his Hawaiian birth certificate in her file. When Obama was young, children traveled as an addition to their parents’ passports. This was an option when Obama was a baby, it was not required. Subsequently (circa 1972) joint passports were no longer issued and each person, adult or infant, had to be on an individual passport. Passport regulations required ... a certified copy of a hospital birth certificate. .....If Obama was born in the United States ... then there should be a certified copy of his Hawaiian birth certificate in her (Mama Obama's) file. No. Passport regs required that the Passport Adjudicator be shown a birth certification (before 1972 it could also be a hospital birth certificate or a church baptismal certificate) with the official seal --- but not that the Passport Office keep the birth certificate nor make a photocopy of it. The adjudicator would simply jot down the few essential details to show that he had seen a genuine birth document, and then return the document to the parent. As for the photograph, the Strunk litigation brought out Stanley Ann Dunham's own passport papers, because she was dead and no longer was entitled to secrecy under the FOIA, but not the papers that included the Prez who is alive and therefore legally entitled to confidentiality under the FOIA. So we aren't able to see the photo that was on their joint passport. However, in Indonesia, Mama Obama submitted a passport amendment to have baby Barack taken off her passport -- and indication that henceforth they might be traveling separately on individual passports. That she filed such a paper shows that baby Barack had been on her passport originally, itself proof that she had shown the original passport adjudicator Barack's US birth document.
I don't know if you meant to post that to me or not because my post was about possible grandparent custody. Since you did, I'm going to ask if you can give us an explanation for why, on page 3 of 14 for the scribd docs, his mother would have written "Stanley Armour Dunham, Bank of Hawaii, Honolulu" in the box for emergency notification. Edited sentence 1 and 2 + punctuation.
In the next document, the Passport Renewal form on pink paper, she identified Stanley A. Dunham at the Bank of Hawaii as her father. Looking over the scribd docs you linked to, I can think of a second reason why she had written in baby Barack for exclusion from her passport and then crossed out his name: She was renewing her US passport using the easy method. Back then, when joint passports were allowed, the joint passports still had one drawback - they couldn't be renewed the fast way (using the pink form); when joint passports expired, IF the members of that group still wanted (and were still entitled) to appear jointly, they had to have a new group picture of the whole group (primarily because minor children change appearance markedly in the lifespan of a passport) with a new complete application (on white paper, at least four times longer than the pink renewal form). So Mama Obama was renewing her expiring passport - the one with her AND baby Barack - and doing this using the renewal procedure that can be done entirely by mail, but only allows for one person on the passport. She filled out the Amendment form to exclude Barack from her passport unnecessarily because the renewal itself effectively dropped him from sharing a passport with her, and that's why his name, once written in the form, was crossed out.
In the next document, the Passport Renewal form on pink paper, she identified Stanley A. Dunham at the Bank of Hawaii as her father. Odd that she didn't give her parent's home address. If there had been an emergency call to the Bank of Hawaii in Honolulu, a receptionist might have said, "We don't have anyone working here named Stanley Dunham," because it's her mother that is associated with a banking career in Hawaii, not her father, afaik. Stanley Armour Dunham - Wikipedia The only mention of a bank at all in that biographical reference for him is about her mother. Also, I don't think it can be presumed that Obama was ever on his mother's passport earlier because page 1 of the Scribd docs says that passport records were destroyed in the 1980s. Edited for spelling.
It can be presumed because when Mama Obama was doing paperwork to renew her ppt (that's the abbreviation for it) while in Indonesia when Barack was about 10 or 11, she put his name in the square on the amendment form to have him excluded from her ppt. In view of how she renewed her ppt (namely, for herself only) the amendment form was unnecessary but the fact that she wrote it indicates that he had been on her ppt up to that point. Otherwise she'd have no reason to mention him at all. As for identifying her father as being at the bank, I cannot be sure of the reason for that. I am sure that if this document were a recent forgery someone would have carefully followed the Wikipedia or other published bio to write something different in that square. It seems possible that she was not sure her parents would stay at the same residence address for the entire life of the ppt, so she made use of a business contact that was more certain to be there 7 years into the future. Possibly her father was well known at the bank, so if an emergency call came in someone at the bank would be able to connect it with her father or mother.
Seems unnecessarily risky when she could just as easily have written her mother's name as the bank contact instead of her father's but thanks for your guesstimations. No further questions about that at this point.
#23. To: GreyLmist (#21)
It is additionally possible that, although the usual biographies don't mention it, her dad was somehow employed at the bank at the time she wrote out this ppt form. It may have been short-term and it may have been missed by biographers. My own experience in the Passport Office was that an enormous number of people were singularly helpless about answering the query of who to contact in an emergency. A very considerable number wrote their own names! At least as many wrote down their spouse - who was very likely to be traveling with them at the time of the emergency. Of the answers that were not so obviously stupid, I don't know how many were to contacts/addresses/phones that would be very temporary (sometimes a travel agency was listed) or to persons who would be legally or otherwise incapable of doing anything helpful in an emergency.
Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestIf Obama was born in the United States, as everybody says, then there should be a photo of little Barack Obama with his mother, as well as a certified copy of his Hawaiian birth certificate in her file.
#13. To: GreyLmist (#12)
When Obama was young, children traveled as an addition to their parents’ passports.
#16. To: Shoonra (#13)
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#18. To: GreyLmist (#16)
.....why, on page 3 of 14 for the scribd docs, his mother would have written "Stanley Armour Dunham, Bank of Hawaii, Honolulu in the box for emergency notification?
#19. To: Shoonra (#18)
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.....why, on page 3 of 14 for the scribd docs, his mother would have written "Stanley Armour Dunham, Bank of Hawaii, Honolulu in the box for emergency notification?
The Dunhams then moved to Honolulu, Hawaii, where Stanley found a better furniture store opportunity. Madelyn started working at the Bank of Hawaii in 1960, and was promoted as one of the first female bank vice presidents in 1970.[16][17]
#20. To: GreyLmist (#19)
Also, I don't think it can be presumed that Obama was ever on his mother's passport earlier because page 1 of the Scribd docs says that passport records were destroyed in the 1980s.
#21. To: Shoonra (#20)
It seems possible that she was not sure her parents would stay at the same residence address for the entire life of the ppt, so she made use of a business contact that was more certain to be there 7 years into the future. Possibly her father was well known at the bank, so if an emergency call came in someone at the bank would be able to connect it with her father or mother.
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