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Title: We Don’t Need Obama’s Birth Certificate
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The Western Center For Journalism
URL Source: http://www.westernjournalism.com/we ... need-obamas-birth-certificate/
Published: Apr 9, 2013
Author: Louise Hodges
Post Date: 2013-04-09 15:41:16 by Original_Intent
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Keywords: O-ba-a-a-a-ama, Kenya, Fraud, Birth Certificate
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Comments: 30
I have no use for Barack Obama. I don’t need a President with a history of drug abuse who puts the dreams of his father above the interests of the United States. Obama’s presidency is like a giant sinkhole, swallowing up everything we ever valued as Americans. It’s almost an insult to our intelligence, to ask us to believe that Obama is a US citizen. He has a schizophrenic timeline of unexplained foreign travel, a list of aliases, and uncomfortable friendships with communists and hostile governments. We can drop this debate over his birth certificate because we have something even more valuable. We have his mother’s passport files. Stanley Ann Dunham’s passport files were obtained through the Freedom of Information Act and then posted online. (Strunk v. US Department of State) When Obama was young, children traveled as an addition to their parents’ passports. Passport regulations required a photo of parent and child together, as well as a certified copy of a hospital birth certificate. State-issued IDs came much later. If Obama was born in the United States, as everybody says, then there should be a photo of little Barack Obama with his mother, as well as a certified copy of his Hawaiian birth certificate in her file. Surprise. There are no photos of little Barack Obama in the file. And of course, there is no birth certificate from any hospital in Hawaii. I know the passport laws for children. Obama’s mother and I would be approximately the same age if she survived. I filled out the very same passport applications for my own daughter, three years after Obama’s mother took him to Jakarta. The laws were the same for both of us. My daughter was born in an Army hospital in Japan in 1971, when my husband was in the Navy. I added her to my passport so I could bring her back to the United States. I remember it like it was yesterday because my ex-husband complained about how complicated it was. We had to go to the hospital and get a certified copy of her birth certificate, re-take my passport photo with my daughter, crop it until it fit the requirements, and then go all the way to the US Consulate in Tokyo and stand in line. If there was anything the man hated, it was anything that cost him money or inconvenienced him. I carried a joint passport for myself and my daughter through US Customs and Immigration in Hawaii. I can tell you from experience that if Obama’s mother tried to take her son through US Customs and Immigration in Hawaii without a joint passport for herself and her son, she would have been stopped. The obvious question is, who took him through US Customs and Immigration and helped him board the plane in Hawaii? And who brought him back? The only mention of little Barack Obama is when his mother tried to renew her passport at the US Consulate in Jakarta a few years later. We see evidence of that in the file. She tried to trick the passport office. She went to the US Consulate in Jakarta and wrote “Barack Obama” in the section where you add your child. She thought, like we did, that they were going to add him to her passport, no questions asked. They probably laughed and asked her how her son got to Jakarta without a US Passport. When she failed to go get this Hawaiian birth certificate and retake her photo, the Passport Office crossed out his name. She found herself stuck in Jakarta, trying to sneak her son back to the United States. All Congress has to do is ask the Passport Legal Office to explain how Obama’s mother took him through US Customs and Immigration without a US passport. I don’t see that happening. If there was a logical explanation, Obama should look forward to clearing his name. Or maybe we’ll get lucky, and he’ll just get on a helicopter and leave. 
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#1. To: Original_Intent (#0)
First time I've seen this angle presented - thanks. buckie is the cia's ultimate black-op on the world. “The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken Yes - although the Cocaine Importation Agency answers to a higher level. They are the ravages of the disease but not the disease itself. Most effective agents of Satan.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken I have an unfair advantage because I worked in the US Passport Office in NYC, 1971-73. Up to about 1972 group passports were possible; husband & wife, mother & children, minor siblings, both parents and all the minor children. The rules changed then and it all switched to one person - one passport, even for babies. You might remember, before that change, there were these occasional news stories of small children who were somehow left behind in some strang foreign place and not allowed on an airplane to come home -- that was because the parent in a group passport had (possibly in an emergency) had flown back to the US without the kid who was on the same passport and, without a passport where he was - which meant he couldn't be on another passport elsewhere - the kid was stuck. It would require either the parent flying back (not always possible because this time the kid on the passport was going with her) or else first cancelling the kid off mama's passport and then getting photos and a passport all his own. The change of rules eliminated that craziness. So back when Obama was a baby he didn't NEED to be on the same passport as his mama, he could have had a passport all to himself (and after 1972 he'd have to do it that way). Knowing that he was not Required to be on the same passport with his mother sort of blows apart this woman's whole theory. Back around 1971, in Jakarta, Mama Obama filled out some passport papers, evidently to renew her own passport (which apparently had expired), and mentioned baby Barack as someone she was Excluding. Meaning he had been on her passport until then -- he wouldn't have been on her passport (or on one of his own) to begin with unless the State Dept had first been shown his US birth certificate. And, having seen his birth certificate and put him on her passport previously, the Passport Office did not have to be shown his birth certificate a second time for the new passport just for Barack - he had been on one US passport already, and the paperwork for that passport should be in the State Dept files, so he didn't need to show other proof of citizenship to be on a new passport. If baby Barack hadn't been on someone's US passport (his own or his mother's) to get from Hawaii to Indonesia, the Jakarta Embassy would NEVER have issued him a passport of his own.
You can of course produce evidence of such a passport? At the same level of rigor as his "Birth Certificate" I presume? I suppose if I still worked at the State Dept - and in the DC HQ - I might have access to Obama's old passport applications. Of course, I'd be fired, the way the Poppy Bush administration fired the passport agent who went into the files to blow apart the Republican rumor that Clinton had once tried to renounce his citizenship. Otherwise it's simple logic: Like finding a turtle on top of a fencepost and KNOWING that he didn't jump up on his own. Baby Barack was on his mother's passport, at some point got a passport of his own, went back and forth between the US and Africa and between the US and Indonesia. He couldn't have done that without a passport, and he couldn't have done that with a non-US passport.
Well that is partially verifiable as we know "Barry Soetoro" had an Indonesian Passport when he came to the U.S. as a Foreign Student.
No. One of the things brought out in the Strunk litigation was that Barack Obama NEVER had an Indonesian passport, and was not known (except maybe inside an Indonesian school) as Soetoro. The litigation also revealed that Barack had never relinguished his US citizenship (legally, he couldn't, as a minor), and had not been adopted by Lolo Soetoro. In US schools he was ALWAYS listed by the name Obama and ALWAYS regarded as a US, not foreign, student.
so you swabbed the bathrooms there also!?! your oral source of DNA could clear that up by showing the world his school admissions and transcripts in there entirety. The birth certificate pictured in your post is a LIE and I can prove it!! In 1961 the states used older postal abbreviations (Tex. - Texas, Okla. - Oklahoma), Hawaii was just Hawaii, NOT HI as shown above!! CONSPIRACY!! FRAUD!! SUBTERFUGE!!! :)
#2. To: Lod (#1)
buckie is the cia's ultimate black-op on the world.
#3. To: Original_Intent (#2)
#4. To: Original_Intent (#0)
(Edited)
#5. To: Shoonra, all (#4)
#6. To: Original_Intent (#5)
You can of course produce evidence of such a passport?
#7. To: Shoonra (#6)
#8. To: Original_Intent (#7)
#9. To: Shoonra (#4)
I have an unfair advantage because I worked in the US Passport Office in NYC, 1971-73.
I used to be in a hurry, then I figured out I was just getting nowhere fast.
#10. To: Shoonra (#8)
In US schools he was ALWAYS listed by the name Obama and ALWAYS regarded as a US, not foreign, student.
I used to be in a hurry, then I figured out I was just getting nowhere fast.
#11. To: Original_Intent (#0)
-Alex Kurtagic
#12. To: Original_Intent (#0)
Everybody doesn't say that he was born in the United States but there is an interesting post in the Comments section of the article that suggests he was born in Topeka, Kansas and that his Dunham granparents had custody of him, not his mother, so it is their passports rather than her's that would be at issue. If Obama was born in the United States, as everybody says, then there should be a photo of little Barack Obama with his mother, as well as a certified copy of his Hawaiian birth certificate in her file.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#13. To: GreyLmist (#12)
Passport regulations required a photo of parent and child together, as well as a certified copy of a hospital birth certificate. State-issued IDs came much later. If Obama was born in the United States, as everybody says, then there should be a photo of little Barack Obama with his mother, as well as a certified copy of his Hawaiian birth certificate in her file. When Obama was young, children traveled as an addition to their parents’ passports. This was an option when Obama was a baby, it was not required. Subsequently (circa 1972) joint passports were no longer issued and each person, adult or infant, had to be on an individual passport. Passport regulations required ... a certified copy of a hospital birth certificate. .....If Obama was born in the United States ... then there should be a certified copy of his Hawaiian birth certificate in her (Mama Obama's) file. No. Passport regs required that the Passport Adjudicator be shown a birth certification (before 1972 it could also be a hospital birth certificate or a church baptismal certificate) with the official seal --- but not that the Passport Office keep the birth certificate nor make a photocopy of it. The adjudicator would simply jot down the few essential details to show that he had seen a genuine birth document, and then return the document to the parent. As for the photograph, the Strunk litigation brought out Stanley Ann Dunham's own passport papers, because she was dead and no longer was entitled to secrecy under the FOIA, but not the papers that included the Prez who is alive and therefore legally entitled to confidentiality under the FOIA. So we aren't able to see the photo that was on their joint passport. However, in Indonesia, Mama Obama submitted a passport amendment to have baby Barack taken off her passport -- and indication that henceforth they might be traveling separately on individual passports. That she filed such a paper shows that baby Barack had been on her passport originally, itself proof that she had shown the original passport adjudicator Barack's US birth document. When Obama was young, children traveled as an addition to their parents’ passports.
#14. To: Original_Intent (#0)
perfect just as the powers planned. Obama’s presidency is like a giant sinkhole, swallowing up everything we ever valued as Americans.
A man will never speak the truth if his salary depends on perpetuating a lie. -Upton Sinclair
#15. To: christine (#14)
Sadly true.
#16. To: Shoonra (#13) (Edited)
I don't know if you meant to post that to me or not because my post was about possible grandparent custody. Since you did, I'm going to ask if you can give us an explanation for why, on page 3 of 14 for the scribd docs, his mother would have written "Stanley Armour Dunham, Bank of Hawaii, Honolulu" in the box for emergency notification. Edited sentence 1 and 2 + punctuation.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#17. To: Original_Intent (#0)
Interesting article that was linked in the Comments section: Obama Naturalized as a U.S. Citizen in 1983 by Sven Magnussen
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#18. To: GreyLmist (#16)
In the next document, the Passport Renewal form on pink paper, she identified Stanley A. Dunham at the Bank of Hawaii as her father. Looking over the scribd docs you linked to, I can think of a second reason why she had written in baby Barack for exclusion from her passport and then crossed out his name: She was renewing her US passport using the easy method. Back then, when joint passports were allowed, the joint passports still had one drawback - they couldn't be renewed the fast way (using the pink form); when joint passports expired, IF the members of that group still wanted (and were still entitled) to appear jointly, they had to have a new group picture of the whole group (primarily because minor children change appearance markedly in the lifespan of a passport) with a new complete application (on white paper, at least four times longer than the pink renewal form). So Mama Obama was renewing her expiring passport - the one with her AND baby Barack - and doing this using the renewal procedure that can be done entirely by mail, but only allows for one person on the passport. She filled out the Amendment form to exclude Barack from her passport unnecessarily because the renewal itself effectively dropped him from sharing a passport with her, and that's why his name, once written in the form, was crossed out. .....why, on page 3 of 14 for the scribd docs, his mother would have written "Stanley Armour Dunham, Bank of Hawaii, Honolulu in the box for emergency notification?
#19. To: Shoonra (#18) (Edited)
In the next document, the Passport Renewal form on pink paper, she identified Stanley A. Dunham at the Bank of Hawaii as her father. Odd that she didn't give her parent's home address. If there had been an emergency call to the Bank of Hawaii in Honolulu, a receptionist might have said, "We don't have anyone working here named Stanley Dunham," because it's her mother that is associated with a banking career in Hawaii, not her father, afaik. Stanley Armour Dunham - Wikipedia The only mention of a bank at all in that biographical reference for him is about her mother. Also, I don't think it can be presumed that Obama was ever on his mother's passport earlier because page 1 of the Scribd docs says that passport records were destroyed in the 1980s. Edited for spelling. .....why, on page 3 of 14 for the scribd docs, his mother would have written "Stanley Armour Dunham, Bank of Hawaii, Honolulu in the box for emergency notification?
The Dunhams then moved to Honolulu, Hawaii, where Stanley found a better furniture store opportunity. Madelyn started working at the Bank of Hawaii in 1960, and was promoted as one of the first female bank vice presidents in 1970.[16][17]
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#20. To: GreyLmist (#19)
It can be presumed because when Mama Obama was doing paperwork to renew her ppt (that's the abbreviation for it) while in Indonesia when Barack was about 10 or 11, she put his name in the square on the amendment form to have him excluded from her ppt. In view of how she renewed her ppt (namely, for herself only) the amendment form was unnecessary but the fact that she wrote it indicates that he had been on her ppt up to that point. Otherwise she'd have no reason to mention him at all. As for identifying her father as being at the bank, I cannot be sure of the reason for that. I am sure that if this document were a recent forgery someone would have carefully followed the Wikipedia or other published bio to write something different in that square. It seems possible that she was not sure her parents would stay at the same residence address for the entire life of the ppt, so she made use of a business contact that was more certain to be there 7 years into the future. Possibly her father was well known at the bank, so if an emergency call came in someone at the bank would be able to connect it with her father or mother. Also, I don't think it can be presumed that Obama was ever on his mother's passport earlier because page 1 of the Scribd docs says that passport records were destroyed in the 1980s.
#21. To: Shoonra (#20)
Seems unnecessarily risky when she could just as easily have written her mother's name as the bank contact instead of her father's but thanks for your guesstimations. No further questions about that at this point. It seems possible that she was not sure her parents would stay at the same residence address for the entire life of the ppt, so she made use of a business contact that was more certain to be there 7 years into the future. Possibly her father was well known at the bank, so if an emergency call came in someone at the bank would be able to connect it with her father or mother.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#22. To: GreyLmist (#17)
Regardless of whichever way we look more and more stuff comes out to question this criminal's legitimacy. Of course there have been plenty of false trails planted as well so we need to tread carefully.
#23. To: GreyLmist (#21)
It is additionally possible that, although the usual biographies don't mention it, her dad was somehow employed at the bank at the time she wrote out this ppt form. It may have been short-term and it may have been missed by biographers. My own experience in the Passport Office was that an enormous number of people were singularly helpless about answering the query of who to contact in an emergency. A very considerable number wrote their own names! At least as many wrote down their spouse - who was very likely to be traveling with them at the time of the emergency. Of the answers that were not so obviously stupid, I don't know how many were to contacts/addresses/phones that would be very temporary (sometimes a travel agency was listed) or to persons who would be legally or otherwise incapable of doing anything helpful in an emergency.
#24. To: Shoonra (#4)
stories of small children who were somehow left behind in some strang foreign place and not allowed on an airplane to come home LOL......working as a grunt in the Passport Office 40 years ago equates to "expert" status? Oh yes, surely all remember the epidemic of small children left behind in strange lands. Weren't they using cattle prods on the tarmac to keep those children off the planes? I have an unfair advantage because I worked in the US Passport Office in NYC, 1971-73.
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
#25. To: Shoonra (#23)
somehow may have been may have been missed very likely I don't know In a sea of speculation, one fact slips out. It is additionally possible
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
#26. To: abraxas (#25)
Well met fair Lady.
#27. To: abraxas (#25)
Yeah, it's true that I don't know everything. But the woman whose story started this thread KNEW - absolutely KNEW - that children MUST be on mama's ppt. And she was wrong about that. Elsewhere, Orly Taitz KNEW - absolutely KNEW - that the one reason that baby Barack may have been excluded from mama's ppt was that he was renouncing his US citizenship. Except that was wrong; it wouldn't even be legally possible. I'd like to have a nickel for every factoid that the birfers KNEW that turned out to be wrong.
#28. To: abraxas (#25)
Very good. In a sea of speculation, one fact slips out.
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#29. To: Original_Intent (#22) (Edited)
His father of record isn't an American citizen. That should be enough disqualification evidence. Additionally, I think his mother acquired British citizenship by marriage, which further compromises the undivided allegiance issue of natural born citizenship. Edited for spelling. Regardless of whichever way we look more and more stuff comes out to question this criminal's legitimacy. Of course there have been plenty of false trails planted as well so we need to tread carefully.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#30. To: Shoonra (#23)
Even if so, her mother's name as a bank contact of prominent affiliation would have been the more logical entry but I'm willing to consider that her father had something like a covert connection to that banking business. It is additionally possible that, although the usual biographies don't mention it, her dad was somehow employed at the bank at the time she wrote out this ppt form. It may have been short-term and it may have been missed by biographers.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
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