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Title: BOSTON: IRRESPONSIBLE, DISGUSTING CONSPIRACY THEORIES
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Published: Apr 29, 2013
Author: Devvy Kidd
Post Date: 2013-04-29 03:21:26 by Original_Intent
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Keywords: OKC, PsyOp, murder, FedGov
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By: Devvy Over the past nearly two decades, every time some horrific 'event' happens, wanna be "journalists" come out of the wood work with their conspiracy theories based on absolutely nothing. Bloggers who specialize in no facts, just rank speculation. Irresponsible people out to make a name for themselves or to get people to their web sites. They have zero credibility and hurt the rest of us by being lumped together. I have debunked conspiracy theories in the past based on documentation. I get attacked as if I'm the bad guy for pursuing the truth! There are conspiracies and cover-ups, but we want the truth, not speculation. As someone who works at home, I have been able to see events as they unfold where most folks are at work; perhaps at school. Way back when, the Communist News Network (CNN) was pretty much the only source for manufactured "news" besides the "big three". The media lies about the first World Trade Center bombing in 1993 were taken as fact until one of the FBIs CI's opened his mouth. It was a sting operation the FBI let get out of control: "Law-enforcement officials were told that terrorists were building a bomb that was eventually used to blow up the World Trade Center, and they planned to thwart the plotters by secretly substituting harmless powder for the explosives, an informer said after the blast. The informer was to have helped the plotters build the bomb and supply the fake powder, but the plan was called off by an F.B.I. supervisor who had other ideas about how the informer, Emad A. Salem, should be used, the informer said. "The account, which is given in the transcript of hundreds of hours of tape recordings Mr. Salem secretly made of his talks with law-enforcement agents, portrays the authorities as in a far better position than previously known to foil the Feb. 26 bombing of New York City's tallest towers. The explosion left six people dead, more than 1,000 injured and damages in excess of half a billion dollars. Four men are now on trial in Manhattan Federal Court in that attack." I researched that bombing. Janet (Butch) Reno and Bill Clinton covered up the truth and then spun the new official lie. Not one single person involved in the FBI was ever indicted and tried for facilitating the murder of six people, those injured and all the damage to the building. I watched the media deliberately lie about the murder of former Commerce Secretary Ron Brown. CNNs reporter on the ground at the Dubrovnik airport reported live the rescue was underway in the ocean. Within an hour, suddenly, the plane is found washed clean up on the side of a mountain. Ron Brown had a bullet hole in the top of his head. How is that possible if the plane crashed into the ocean? Another cover-up aided and abetted by the disgraced media. I watched Ruby Ridge unfold. Then the massacre at WACO and yes, it was just that. David Koresch could have been arrested in town several times before the first confrontation. The ATF and FBI lied to the military and the slaughter began. It was murder. Murder of almost 100 Americans including 17 children. It was a publicity stunt gone bad and I'm not the only one who thinks so. Again, no government official involved was ever held accountable. It was all "justified" and the American people went back to watching their favorite tv show or shopping. I watched the media deliberately lie from morning until night the day the Murrah Building was blown in OKC. I am very fortunate to have had many long discussions while visiting my dear friend, retired Brigadier General Ben Partin, about WACO and OKC; Oklahoma City Bombing: Expert Analysis. Ben briefed U.S. senators on both 'events'; they have gone along with the cover-up. There's no question in my mind it was a sting that went bad based on my endless hours of research and watching videos. Besides McVeigh and Terry Nichols, rogue FBI agents responsible for that bombing not only have never been prosecuted, many of them were promoted. In June 1998, I put on a day long event at the Santa Clara Convention Center to launch The Wallace Institute with Larry Becraft. Ben was a key note speaker. The links to his speech are at the bottom of this column. He explains both in great detail; I hope you'll take the time to watch his presentation. TWA Flight 800. Again, a first class cover up. In discussions with Ben, he is convinced it was likely a missile. Ben based his conclusions on his 33 years experience in the U.S. Air Force as someone who had hands-on experience in designing many different types of weapons systems. Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, dubbed the "underwear bomber" was clearly government entrapment: • Terror War Cheerleader Gets Reality Check On Underwear Bomber Facts None of the FBI or CIA involved have ever been held accountable. They risked the lives of everyone on that flight. Damn good thing Abdulmutallab was a bumbling idiot. Sandy Hook slaughter in Connecticut. Many have emailed and ask why I haven't written about it? Well, there has been some excellent coverage already. There's also the garbage spewed out by people who never went there, never did anything other than speculate while making wild allegations and accusations. What I do is collect articles, columns and videos. In the case of Sandy Hook, the only way to get answers is the same way I went about getting them for Columbine: you order autopsy reports, copies of search warrants and affidavits, toxocology reports, ballistics reports, etc. Those things take time and in some cases, agencies will not release them for months because it's an on-going, active investigation. Some have been released: Finally some answers about the Sandy Hook school shooting Do I have questions about Sandy Hook? But, yes, but not because I believe it was a false flag operation. I have some because I believe local law enforcement was simply overwhelmed from minute one. Very few rural police and sheriff's departments have the kind of training necessary to respond to a mass shooting because everyone thinks it can't happen where they live. Sure, they train and might read a few bulletins or pamphlets from the FBI, but reality is a whole different thing. Honest mistakes are made, but not corrected which would expose them and make law enforcement look incompetent. The confusion in real time adds fuel to the fire. But, that does not excuse some of the grossly irresponsible, splashy head lines on the Internet about Sandy Hook being staged; dead children not dead. You name it, some mush head has slapped it up on some web site. When I get the documents and sort through everything, then I will write a column and scan whatever documents I receive that might be different from the ones in the link above. Then, of course, we have the grand daddy of them all: 9/11. In particular, the deluge of yellow "journalism" about Flight 93 turned my stomach. Individuals who sat at computer keyboards declaring Flight 93 did not crash outside of Shanksville, PA. Their rank speculation is then taken as fact and is still plastered all over the Internet. It's very difficult for the average American to go to all the locations for disasters over the past 20 years. I went to Columbine and OKC. I also went to Shanksville to do my own on site investigation in an effort to try and find out the truth. It wasn't cheap since I lived in Sacramento at the time, but I wanted to try to sift through the bull and find the truth. One jackass put up "headlines" on the Internet: Da plane, Da plane! A parody from the old tv program, Fantasy Island. Yeah, some joke. One thing I can tell you, the good people of Shanksville and surrounding bergs highly resent the conspiracy theories posted all over the Internet. I ask a friend of mine who is an attorney to meet me in Shanksville. One of our stops was the local airport. Besides being a lawyer, Dane is also a pilot. While there we spoke with a couple of first responders who happened to be in the building at the time. They were angry about all the conspiracy theories the plane never crashed where it did and I don't blame them. People really cannot appreciate what happened to all the folks in that area; the horror and clean up. Before the dust even settled out in Boston, irresponsible individuals slapped their crap up on the Internet. Why, do you know those were actors in Boston? The amputees were actors faking it? Do you know fake blood was used? And, fake bomb dust! Of course! All the EMTs who were already there because at big marathons like that triage tents are common for runners or even bystanders who might have a medical problem, why they had to be actors, too! They're all part of a staged event as well as hundreds of average, ordinary Americans watching the runners. And, people believe it because they send me emails as "proof". The link above claims a vet who did lose his legs in Afghanistan was a knowing participant in perpetrating fraud on the American people. There is a resemblance, but how insulting to Nick Vogt to be used in such a way. Boston Bombing Story Unravels–Fake New York Times Article "The picture of a man in a wheel chair that supposedly lost his legs in the Boston bombing, was in fact that of an army vet called Nick Vogt that lost his legs in Afghanistan. He is an actor in the event–a stooge. Another Government false flag op eh? Like Sandy Hook. The Media said the Moslems did it. Sure…and next we'll have the tooth fairy posing topless for a Honda ad. See fake New York Times story below." On that site you will also see the photo of Carlos Arredondo, whose son was killed in Iraq in 2004. Do people really think that man who has suffered so much was a willing participant as an "actor" in the "fake Boston bombing"? Would he so dishonor his son's memory? But, wait! Arrendondo and Jeff Bauman, Jr. are still continuing their roles as actors: 'I gave him a kiss on the cheek as it was beautiful to see him doing so well': Boston victim who lost both legs reunited with the cowboy hat hero who saved his life". It's sickening. Not too long ago I was looking at a piece about people who could be twins, but don't even know each other. When you put their photos side by side, you'd swear they were the same person, but they weren't. Here's another one. Or, how about this mother and daughter? "Tragedy of woman, 18, in iconic Boston blast image being comforted by man in red t-shirt: Student had her limbs shredded and her mom's legs were amputated. Picture of a wounded Sydney Corcoran being aided by strangers was seen around the world." Oh, sure, those strangers who happened to be at the marathon that day helping people like Sydney Corcoran were all just part of a giant hoax. Mother and daughter must be continuing their starring roles: A different reality': Mother-daughter bombing victims look ahead The people involved in the Boston massacre in the hundreds had their lives changed forever that day. Dozens of people lost arms, legs or one of each or both. Think they don't get wind of all the grotesque conspiracy theories and that somehow they're involved because it was all a staged fake? I guess all the doctors and surgeons who worked around the clock to save lives were also part of the fakery. After all, the blood was fake, the bomb dust was fake, those who lost their limbs - all faked. Nightmares plague doctor who treated Boston victims Much has been made about bomb sniffing dogs. Well, I'm sorry to disappoint all the conspiracy people, but since 9/11, bomb sniffing dogs are at most big events. Allegedly, there was a drill that day regarding readiness for any kind of threat. That is still being checked out by many of us. The same thing happened right after 9/11: FEMA's Prior Knowledge of 9-11 Put to Rest. That's my investigation. If I got one, I got a hundred emails with similiar captions: Proof Craft/Blackwater did Boston Bombing! All of those theories stem from photos of a couple of guys wearing specific clothing. The same flavor of men I saw at while attending the GOP convention up in St. Paul in 2008. They were all over the place as well as FBI who weren't wearing jackets that identified them. Guess what? Those individuals have been identified as members of the Massachusetts National Guard Civilian Security Team (CST). Identity of the Khaki Wearing Boston Bombing Operatives Revealed (Do take the time to read the article and hit on the links.) "According to this article from the Air National Guard site: "The Massachusetts team was on duty during the running of the Boston marathon, augmented by similar civil support teams from the New York and Rhode Island National Guards." So it would appear that the CST team on duty during the explosion was the Massachusetts Army National Guard's 1st Civil Support Team, augmented by New York's 24th CST and Rhode Island's 13th CST." Do people see how harmful it is to send out emails proclaiming some company's employees were part of killing and maiming Americans when they had nothing to do with it? Proof my arse. Perhaps Craft should sue all irresponsible bloggers for slandering their company and accusing them of a heinous crime. How do all those bloggers and wanna be "journalists" think those Massachusetts Army National Guard guys feel about being fingered as perpetrators in the bombing? People whine the "mainstream" media and cable networks lie and don't give the facts. They should look in the mirror. It's one thing to ask responsible questions and we should, but never should such wild accusations be acceptable. The examples above by irresponsible individuals "reporting", if you can even call it that, is not acceptable. So, what really happened and who was behind the bombing? I have a lot of questions myself and since day one I've been building my file for purposes of filing state records act requests to FOIAs at the federal level as well as obtaining the search warrants, affidavits and a whole lot more. But, it takes time because law enforcement at all levels simply won't release a lot of documents until they're ready - or they refuse then you have to file a lawsuit. Too many people think the CSI programs on the boob tube is how it is in real life. It's not. The 19-year old reportedly confessed. After being read his Miranda rights, he decided not to talk anymore. Is that a lie? At this time, we don't know because I sure as hell don't believe anything that comes out of the mouth of the FBI, ATF, CIA or the Department of Justice. Unless some documents are released to the media by an individual(s) fed up with the lying or a big media outfit sues, it will be awhile before anything is released. If ever, just like the 23 videos the FBI still has under wraps of the OKC bombing. That's exactly what happened with Glen Beck: people sick of the lies and cover ups provided him with documentation: New evidence on Saudi national, Glenn reads cover of event file (Do read it) Many readers are familiar with Joel Skoussen and his history. Joel's research is impeccable and he doesn't publish hysterical claims with nothing to back them up. Joel has a weekly subscription newsletter that comes out every Friday. I believe he's done a superb job in giving a detailed over view about many aspects of that slaughter from the suspects, the lying by the FBI and much more. His analysis brings even more questions that must be answered. I have taken the liberty of putting his excellent (and rational) piece in an addendum (click below). He, like so many of us, are digging for the truth, not headlines. Is this another false flag operation where rogue elements within the federal government suckered a couple of brothers into murdering and maiming Americans? I believe there's a high probability some individuals within the federal government were involved. Or, it could be yet another sting operation that went bad involving individuals in alphabet soup agencies. We just don't know at this time. People will shake their heads and say, it can't be! Our government would never do anything like that! Knowing what I know about OKC and 9/11, it is very possible. Just like OKC and 9/11, Americans simply cannot process the evil gripping this country and who is behind it. That's why the truth about 9/11 is so important - it was the "next Pearl Harbor" needed to begin destroying our rights and freedoms for false security. Hacks like Sean Hannity & Bill O'Reilly and their million dollar a month plus paychecks will label anyone questioning the official story as tin foil hat people and other derogatory labels. Frankly, I don't care. What I care about is the truth, holding everyone responsible and seeing justice (executing them) done. As a matter of fact, I would say FOX viewers are the least educated on the issues and events like OKC and 9/11. When my dear friend and I were at the state capitol in Austin this past January, we visited the offices of many Republicans. Every office had FOX news on their tv. Yet, when ask about Agenda 21, the response was: What's that? Agenda 21 is one of the top hottest issues in this country, yet there are people who have never heard of it. Why? Because FOX picks and chooses what they want you to know. CNN and all the others do the same thing. When I say that, people get mad because FOX is the "only network that gives us the truth". Okay. Stay in denial and in your comfort zone. The American people continue to be lied to and kept in a state of terror to further the agenda of the shadow government. Foolishly, they have allowed a totalitarian police state to grow unchecked out of fear. I am reminded of something Dr. Edwin Vieira wrote back in 2005: Homeland Security: For What and Whom? "To answer the question "Why is this happening?" one must ask the deeper question: Cui bono? Who benefits? Whose "security" is being obtained by the systematic abridgment of common Americans' constitutional liberties? And by the step-by-step creation of a national police state that could (and doubtlessly is designed to) eliminate those liberties altogether? And by what is obviously a plan in the works to cement that police state into place by scrapping the Constitution when a suitable occasion and excuse arises or can be contrived? "Well, what good is the "security" of a thoroughgoing police state to its victims? Obviously, none. A police state provides security only for the elitists who run it and who benefit from the repression it imposes on the mass of citizens. By hypothesis, then, today's push for "homeland security" actually aims, not at the security of the United States or of the American people under the Constitution, but at the Establishment's security over the Constitution and against the people." ‘Boston Strong’: Marching In Lockstep With The Police State Tyranny How many more of these terror events are going to be covered up? If I lived in Boston, I would get together with trusted friends and begin gathering every bit of documentation and film I could, whether through state records act or FOIA's, and put it all together in a professional report. The next step would be a grand jury. Subscribe to the NewsWithViews Daily News Alerts! Enter Your E-Mail Address: Those murders and other crimes happened within Boston city limits and nearby towns. It is not a federal case. The 19-year old will be tried in civilian court because of jurisdiction and the fact he is a naturalized citizen. If I lived in Boston, I would not allow the feds or any other law enforcement steam roll over everyone by hiding the truth. I believe the people of Boston (as well as the rest of the country and the world) would fully support a grand jury investigation, but that will only happen if the investigators (the people) put together a solid case and make enough noise to force the DA to convene one. Important Links: OKC 1- McVeigh's Second Trial Flight 93 - 9/11 On site investigation - Flight 93 WACO & OKC Brig. Gen. Ben Partin video - Part 1 My investigation into the Alaska Airlines disaster, the murder of microbiologist, Dr. Don C. Wily (after 9/11), including the official 250 pg report, my on site investigation into Columbine and more are on my CD. Ashcroft Personally Rejected Specific Warnings of Impending Terrorist Attacks During the Summer of 2001 Click here to visit NewsWithViews.com home page. © 2013 - NewsWithViews.com and Devvy - All Rights Reserved Poster Comment: As much as I like Devvy I think that she has her own blind spots and occasionally jumps to conclusions. She needs to begin reading The 25 Rules of Disinformation. A lot of the kooky stories that she rails against are intentionally so and are planted to create a sense of "guilt by association" so as to make people asking legitimate questions look kooky. As well I agree that Sandy Hook was not necessarily a "planned" operation down to a "t" and a "decimal point" but it was very possibly a triggered even whether simply from someone on Psychotropic drugs going completely psychotic (a known side effect of such as Prozac) or from someone who was on Psychotropic medication and had some form of mind control (akin to hypnosis of Skinnerian conditioning) and was "triggered" when an incident was needed to try to pass gun legislation. The problem with Devvy is that she is very good at analysis from a firm data set but her world view blinds her in some areas.
April 28, 2013
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#12. To: Original_Intent, FormerLurker, titorite, GreyLmist, Itistoolate, christine, Lod, randge, all (#0)
Yep. It can be said about many things you are rallying for and insisting HAS to be true, just because you say so or read it on the Internet. Don't you think these same people you blame for everything would have the ability to plant fake stories on alternative media sites, such as those floating around about "actors", just to divert attention away from the actual events and inconvenient facts? Boston man confronts an Infowars.com reporter. Nice level of discourse there...
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
The dude seemed pretty hell-bent not to let anybody steal the thunder from his "victimhood." Where have we seen that before? Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner. Mixing the truth of past conspiracies with lies to cover up the truth of Boston marathon bombings is all she is doing here and that is disgusting! No blood anywhere after the bombs went off. That is not only fake, it doesn't get any faker than that!
God is always good!
Do you think they planted fake pictures of the Boston marathon bombing? It is possible, but I haven't heard anyone say the pictures aren't authentic yet. God is always good!
Exactly. he acted like his ox had been badly gored. George W Bush Practically Admits 9/11 was a 'Conspiracy' Plot The dude seemed pretty hell-bent not to let anybody steal the thunder from his "victimhood." Where have we seen that before? The painfully familiar disdain and contempt in his voice... That was behavior par for the course for New England or New York. PREACH ON BROTHER MAN!!!! These false flags have revedd up. Obummer unleashed is increasing the heat on us all.... God be with us. ______________________________________ Suspect all media / resist propaganda/Learn NLP
"It is really hard to protect the homeland" And he did say conspirac... organized.... FOlks.... NO ONE IS COMING TO SAVE YOU! If you want to be free from this tyranny we need to figure out for ourselves how we are going to accomplish that. I've never given up. I am free. I want you to be free too. ______________________________________ Suspect all media / resist propaganda/Learn NLP
ziiing...
That's one terminally effed-up chimpie.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Yeah, I'm a Boston Marathon denier. So sue me. Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner. Alex "COINTELPRO" Jewnz is a hack. Let's take the way back machine to one of his many meltdowns in his role as the Man With A Bullhorn:
"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow
#13. To: wudidiz (#12)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#14. To: Original_Intent (#0)
#15. To: Ferret (#14)
#16. To: Lod (#15)
Nice level of discourse there...
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
#17. To: Original_Intent (#0)
#18. To: FormerLurker (#13)
Don't you think these same people you blame for everything would have the ability to plant fake stories on alternative media sites, such as those floating around about "actors", just to divert attention away from the actual events and inconvenient facts?
#19. To: Esso (#16)
#20. To: Esso (#16)
Nice level of discourse there...
"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow
#21. To: Lod (#15)
"Nice level of discourse there..."
#22. To: RickyJ (#17)
No blood anywhere after the bombs went off. That is not only fake, it doesn't get any faker than that!
#23. To: Ferret (#19)
#24. To: Katniss (#2)
Like the rest of the establishment, I suppose that they "sit" when given some visual impulse by their handler(s) to detect false or planted drugs.
#25. To: titorite (#23)
#26. To: wudidiz (#20)
The painfully familiar disdain and contempt in his voice...
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
#27. To: Ferret, All (#14)
-Alex Kurtagic
#28. To: Ferret (#14)
Speaking of theories, would you care to explain the reasoning behind your prediction that the Boston bombers would more than likely turn out to be "...white, racist, homophobic, anti-Semitic Tea Partiers"?.....LINKBOSTON: IRRESPONSIBLE, DISGUSTING CONSPIRACY THEORIES
#29. To: Original_Intent (#0) (Edited)
She is so interesting to read and thorough like Will Grigg.
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#30. To: Original_Intent, All (#0)
Ok, ok, what is the bottom line? Is Devvy "with us or with the terrists."
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#31. To: Original_Intent, All (#0)
Some reports say that the New Hampshire National Guard also had personnel deployed there. Why were out-of-State National Guard units used? "According to this article from the Air National Guard site: "The Massachusetts team was on duty during the running of the Boston marathon, augmented by similar civil support teams from the New York and Rhode Island National Guards." So it would appear that the CST team on duty during the explosion was the Massachusetts Army National Guard's 1st Civil Support Team, augmented by New York's 24th CST and Rhode Island's 13th CST."
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#32. To: Big Meanie (#28)
Speaking of theories, would you care to explain the reasoning behind your prediction that the Boston bombers would more than likely turn out to be "...white, racist, homophobic, anti-Semitic Tea Partiers"?.....LINK I watched in real time... for 20 minutes , on drudge and on yahoo and elsewhere online... it was a white guy with blond hair. I watched the comment boards lite up about 4chan being right.... BOOM STORY CHANGE now it was the russians. ;) Fuck this propaganda.
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#33. To: GreyLmist (#31)
That is a bad development that needs more attention being paid to it... Yes indeed just What the fuck were other state national guards doing being involved in the politics and policies of other states? That stuff aint supposed to be nationalized. Some reports say that the New Hampshire National Guard also had personnel deployed there. Why were out-of-State National Guard units used?
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#34. To: titorite, GreyLmist, 4 (#33) (Edited)
All those outta state guys and gear were there because it was a state-sponsored event and they were ordered to be there, ready to spring into police-state action. Same as OKC and 911...
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
#35. To: titorite (#32)
Meanie just gets off on trying to bust my chops. I had forgotten about that off the cuff comment that proved both right and wrong. Many Russians are White, blonde, hate Jews, Gays, and are not very color blind when it comes to race. I would call my call as close enough and call it good. Now if he wants to gig me for not being a Tea Party type, more power to Meanie; I'm not and never will be. And I don't apologize for that; far from it.
"Stupidity is the same as evil if you judge by the results."; Margaret Atwood, "Surfacing"
#36. To: Ferret (#35)
Mike - to me a Tea Party-type is one who believes in the original meaning of our Constitution. What about that don't you like or support? Thanks.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
#37. To: Lod (#36) (Edited)
The U.S. Constitution is a living document, which is why we have the Supreme Court rule on issues as life in these United States chages over the years. I do not agree with the interpretation of some in the Tea Party Movement on what original intent of the framers of the Constitution is, and how it should be interpretted now. Remember, I am generally more liberal than your average Tea Party Movement person. But also remember I respect differences in opinion and always try to keep an open mind and am willing to consider anything anyone says; unless someone is bat shit crazy like an A K A Stone.
"Stupidity is the same as evil if you judge by the results."; Margaret Atwood, "Surfacing"
#38. To: Ferret (#37)
To me, the Constitution and the BoR, are like the Ten Commandments - they mean what they say, and say what they mean. End of story.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
#39. To: Lod, titorite, GreyLmist, all (#34)
Same as OKC and 911... Ptb knew it was going to happen. All those outta state guys and gear were there because it was a state-sponsored event and they were ordered to be there, ready to spring into police-state action.
"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow
#40. To: Lod (#38)
I can respect that. But remember too, I am a pagan, and not in any way Christian. I respect the religions of others, but my faith paints a different world view then yours' to a good degree. For example, I feel humans are a smart and capable species, but we are not the pinnacle of creation. We need to assume a proper niche in the overall ecosystem of the world and learn how to respect and protect other forms of life better. I think I know some of the ways we might interpret the Constitution differently, but I don't come here to 4UM to dwell on that sort of thing. I get a fresh perspective on many things lurking here, and I respect this venue, even when at times I may not concur to the fullest degree with the general group think of the posting body I appreciate greatly the food for thought.
"Stupidity is the same as evil if you judge by the results."; Margaret Atwood, "Surfacing"
#41. To: wudidiz, titorite, Lod, wakeup, All (#39)
Me: Some reports say that the New Hampshire National Guard also had personnel deployed there. Why were out-of-State National Guard units used? titorite: That is a bad development that needs more attention being paid to it Lod: All those outta state guys and gear were there because it was a state-sponsored event and they were ordered to be there, ready to spring into police-state action. Same as OKC and 911... wudidiz: Ptb knew it was going to happen. Both of these CST descriptions are misleading: From the article section that she quoted: "the Massachusetts Army National Guard's 1st Civil Support Team, augmented by New York's 24th CST and Rhode Island's 13th CST." They are not "Security" guards for civilians, as she seemingly understated, nor are they simply "Support" groups for civil functionaries. The article she cited goes on to say there that they are WMD-CSTs (Weapons of Mass Destruction Civil Support Teams). They were started by Clinton in 1998 and have expanded in stages since then: The mission of Weapons of Mass Destruction Civil Support Teams (WMD-CST) is to support local and state authorities at domestic WMD/NBC incident sites by identifying agents and substances, assessing current and projected consequences, advising on response measures, and assisting with requests for additional military support. NBC means Nuclear, Biologocal and Chemical. 12th WMD CST NH NG is listed there as New Hampshire's unit; which was reportedly assigned to the Boston Marathon but I don't know how many. [References freebeacon.com, infowars.com and examiner.com]. The washingtontimes.com reports the following for other CST WMD troops on duty at the Boston Marathon at the time of the explosion: Rhode Island Army NG: 2 (source: Commander Meriwether) New York Army NG: 5 (source: Staten Island Advance) So, 7 out-of-State NG WMD-CST personnel were deployed from New York and Rhode Island to active duty for the Boston Marathon event, along with an unknown number from New Hampshire -- supposedly at the request of the Massachusetts government. It's one thing for a Governor to ask the Guards of other States to be on standby alert in case of an emergency but not so permissable to have them sent in advance, despite pretenses that it's the "new normal"/Standard Operating Procedure for big events, United Nations events, etc. In addition to its own WMD-CST units, Massachusetts reportedly used 400+ of its National Guard for non-emergency, non-invasion, non-insurrection duty prior to the explosions; and approximately 500 more after. Presumably, Massachusetts will be billed for all Federal equipment and supplies used, as well as the out-of-State WMD-CSTs deployed there. Apparently, Devvy Kidd was unphased by any of those issues -- or was more concerned with downgrading the independent research of others as if she equates that and independent thinkers not in sync with her perspectives to the Borg Collective. wakeup: Ok, ok, what is the bottom line? Is Devvy "with us or with the terrists."
Devvy Kidd: "Those individuals have been identified as members of the Massachusetts National Guard Civilian Security Team (CST)."
Weapons of Mass Destruction Civil Support Teams - globalsecurity.org
Massachusetts Army NG: Unknown
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#42. To: GreyLmist (#41)
This thread screams against the tyranny. Right on.
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Suspect all media / resist propaganda/Learn NLP
#43. To: FormerLurker (#13)
.It can be said about many things you are rallying for and insisting HAS to be true, just because you say so or read it on the Internet.
"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow
#44. To: wudidiz (#43)
Get the word out! True stuff - thanks.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
#45. To: wudidiz (#43)
And the bankster crowd doesn't seem that fond of Putin, come to think of it. I know it sounds crazy, but what's wrong with the idea of elected officials looking out for the interests of the people they supposedly represent? Only 3 Countries Left Without a Rothschild Central Bank
corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - Tacitus
#46. To: wudidiz, Lod, Dakmar (#43)
Out of curiousity, what does that video have to do with anything posted on this thread? I know you just recently spammed me with a whole slew of videos and links minutes after I posted a link of your posts to me, which up till that time were mostly a series of accusations and insults. Then you posted the five or six videos within several minutes. SO what's up with that? If the posts were related to anything being discussed on those threads it'd be SOMEWHAT understandable but they are totally unrelated. Were you trying to hide what you had REALLY been posting to me perhaps?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#47. To: FormerLurker (#46)
I've converted a Cox .049 motor to run on benzene. Only leaks a little...
corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - Tacitus
#48. To: Dakmar (#47)
Why would you do that? I've converted a Cox .049 motor to run on benzene. Only leaks a little...
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#49. To: FormerLurker (#48)
Grant money for testing side-effects.
corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - Tacitus
#50. To: Dakmar (#49)
I see, I think.... LOL
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#51. To: FormerLurker (#50)
Before 9/11 guess what 2 countries DID NOT have a Rothschild owned and started Central Bank;
"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow
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