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Title: 9 11 Fake Video Stars: The J Star Clones – Why Covert Operation’s Cointel Must Have ‘Fake’ Video and ‘No Planes’
Source: Ed Ward, MD's Blog: US Tyranny & Treason
URL Source: http://edwardmd.wordpress.com/
Published: May 5, 2013
Author: Ed Ward M.D.
Post Date: 2013-05-05 20:49:50 by Original_Intent
Keywords: planes, no-planes, 911, towers
Views: 28342
Comments: 451

9 11 Fake Video Stars: The J Star Clones – Why Covert Operation’s Cointel Must Have ‘Fake’ Video and ‘No Planes’

9 11 Fake Video Stars: The J Star Clones - Why Covert Operation's Cointel Must Have 'Fake' Video

US Government Problem: Video of the planes needed to actually fly into the WTCs are readily available to the public.

US Government Solution: Promote the Videos as ‘fake’ based on ‘pixel’ BS – This solves the ‘evidence’ problem while never noting that the planes are NOT commercial airliners – which are not structurally capable of performing the tasks and look nothing like the photographic proof that commercial airliners are ‘not in the picture’ and US Government Military Planes are ‘in the picture’. Actually, an excellent scam premise when pumped out by the covert op truth troops.

Wingtips say B 767-400ERE-10A is THE CLONE USED to fly into the WTCs – Unless someone has a version that matches the video better.

The videos show that a Boeing 767-400ER E-10A was the supposed Super-Powered’ Commercial Airliner’. (One of these all very similar clones is clearly seen – one version of these clones has the ‘swept’ back wingtips used to discredit the video as fakery by some… Boeing 767-400ER E-10A) All early videos show the pod and the swept back wing – Recently, I’ve seen newer posts of truth videos in which the planes have neither.

Something that is fake can prove nothing, except that it is fake. It can not prove whether, how, or even if an actual event happened or not. Of course for this premise of ‘fake’ video proving anything one must also believe that during planning…

Someone says, since the plan is to use hijacked airliners, “Hey, let’s not use real planes. Let’s truck the plane parts in, crews to lay them out, people to say they saw planes, etc, et al, and just make some fake videos of planes going into the towers. Now, when we make these fake videos, instead of photoshopping in a commercial airliner with windows, we’ll photoshop in the plane needed to actually do it. Everybody high fives and says, ‘yeah, it’s just our lives on the line for treason.’ ”

Next day, the moron is no longer a threat… most likely scenario, taken out by their own family out of fear they’d all be taken out. It’s ludicrous on multiple levels.. Not just one.

The Ivy Flats Video, the testing of the first micro nuke, the Davy Crockett, is a perfect example of a camera that simply is too slow. Sure, cameras are a lot faster now, so have the travel speeds. They capture erratic images AT BEST when velocity exceeds capture speed images/PIXELS distort. Fact as clearly seen on the Ivy Flats video as soldiers move off train watch what happens to their legs. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nv_q8q6Z9_I

Fake video is only important if one NEEDS to disprove video evidence that a SUPER POWERED IRREGULAR SHAPED, NON WINDOWED ‘COMMERCIAL AIRLINER’ FLEW INTO THE WTCS – INDIRECTLY, without drawing attention to the fact a military aircraft flew into the WTCs. It’s still being done today by so called ‘truthers’. Did the ‘truther orgs’ say? The US government has been caught using its own planes to destroy the WTCs? No everything was silent and then came the need for the ‘fake video’ call.

No Windows in Flight 175 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRC4lCQuBmc&feature=related

Evaluation of Video Footage – for WTC comparisons…

http://911review.org/Wiki/Wtc2PlanePod.shtml

Photo: Boeing N256BA – E-10 MC2A http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3040/2351680318_dcaff7147e_z.jpg?zz=1

Related photos: http://www.spyflight.co.uk/767%20mc2a.htm

There are additional photos in original article ’9 11 Fake Video Stars: The JSTAR Clones. Why Covert Ops Must Have Fake Video 9-11 Fake Video Stars – The JSTAR Clones 10-1-10 Note, the little blue decal up front – one of the WTC witnesses claims to have seen one on the ‘plane that flew into..) BTW, eye witness testimony – the LEAST valuable information WITHOUT additional evidence. http://www.rense.com/general92/911fk.htm

F-4 Phantom at 500 mph into a solid concrete wall http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AB4IEa7jTJw

(Bullets Into Steel – Under pressure and friction metals tend to liquefy) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfFoMyMoiX4

The wall was 12 ft thick, THE PLANE WAS NOT FILLED WITH WATER, but the tanks were to simulate fuel.

“But there was a test similar to what is described above. In 1988, an
unmanned F-4 Phantom, ballasted with water and mounted on rails, was
“flown” into a concrete wall at 480 MPH. As reported, the plane crumpled,
and penetrated only about 2 inches of concrete. A very impressive test -
except it wasn’t meant to be a test of nuclear reactor safety. The wall
the F-4 crashed into was not a simulation of a nuclear plant’s wall. It
was a 12-foot-thick wall mounted on an air cushion. The test was designed to study impact forces by measuring how far the impact would push the wall. Breaking through the concrete was the last thing any of the involved scientists wanted to achieve. Furthermore, the F-4 was ballasted with water to give it the same weight as a plane fully loaded with fuel, and its final weight was 42,000 pounds. Needless to say, crashing a 412,000 pound 767 loaded with fuel into a fixed wall would have slightly different results.

Because according to a 1982 study by the Argonne National Laboratory in Illinois – a study which was conducted by request of the DOE and the NRC – the explosion from a 707 crashing into a containment dome at 466 MPH would probably overwhelm the reactor’s shielding. Note – that’s a 707, which weighs 336,000 pounds. In 1982 those were big jets. But we’ve “advanced” considerably since then. The 767s that were flown into the World Trade Center weighed 80,000 pounds more than that and carried a lot more fuel.

Other studies, again conducted for the NRC at the Lawrence Livermore
National Laboratory, found that a 125,000 pound jet had a 32 % chance of piercing a containment building’s six-foot base and an 84 % chance of
breaking through the dome.” http://everything2.com/user/DejaMorgana/writeups/Nuclear+Power

“A key report, Sugano et al 1992, covers a rocket sled crash experiment using an F-4D Phantom jet fighter impacting into a 10 foot thick reinforced concrete block.

Sandia notes:
The purpose of the test was to determine the impact force, versus time, due to the impact, of a complete F-4 Phantom — including both engines — onto a massive, essentially rigid reinforced concrete target (3.66 meters thick). Previous tests used F-4 engines at similar speeds. The test was not intended to demonstrate the performance (survivability) of any particular type of concrete structure to aircraft impact. The impact occurred at the nominal velocity of 215 meters per second (about 480 mph). The mass of the jet fuel was simulated by water; the effects of fire following such a collision was not a part of the test. The test established that the major impact force was from the engines. The test was performed by Sandia National Laboratories under terms of a contract with the Muto Institute of Structural Mechanics, Inc., of Tokyo.

With very minimal damage to the concrete target block, the plane and its engines were easily converted into small chunks of metal confetti and shrapnel at the physical interface of the two impact objects. Upon initial impact, the follow-on rear portions of the plane yet to make contact retained their shape integrity until their respective impact. (This seriously contradicts claims by Jean-Pierre Desmoulins that the wings of a 757 would have folded forward, as well as claims in the popular press that the wings folded back before entering the “too-small” hole.) The resulting shear caused debris being spread out to the left, right, and rear of the impact locus, having no ability to proceed in their original vector path, having grossly failed the test of strength with the concrete block. However, the wings are wider than the concrete block, so the wingtips are sheared off whole, and they tumble forward after being cleanly separated from the aircraft.

F4 aircraft impacting a solid concrete barrier. Note that the wings and tail do not fold as the nose impacts the concrete. (source: don’t bother moved -http://www.sandia.gov/media/NRgallery00-03.htm)

Sugano (in itself) doesn’t show that a 757 hitting the Pentagon would be turned into confetti and small chunks, but it does show that an F4 was completely destroyed in arguably similar circumstances. Furthermore, it wasn’t anywhere close to an even contest between the wall and the F4. The F4 started with a speed of 215 m/sec — and the tail was still traveling at 185 m/sec when it smashed into the wall. The F4 is a very strongly build aircraft, although at 18 meters long and 19 kg, it’s about a third the length and a fifth the weight of the 757. In terms of comparing what would happen to a 757 versus what happened to the F4, it would be difficult to do an accurate calculation without detailed design information on both aircraft. In a preliminary analysis, the extra length of the 757 means that it has three times the distance to decelerate — but the 757 is also much heavier, so it’s more difficult for the crushing process to supply enough force to decelerate even as rapidly as the F4 did.” http://www.911-strike.com/missing-confetti.htm The article from the ‘pentagon disinformation unit’ counters the information from the ‘WTC no planes disinformation unit’.

Ed Ward, MD – http://edwardmd.wordpress.com/ ;
https://www.facebook.com/EdWardMD3 ; http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EdWard-MD/messages

More US Drill Death in Waco Explosion – Drill Stops for Reality, Again http://edwardmd.wordpress.com/2013/04/28/more-us-drill-death-in-waco-drill-stops-for-reality-again/

Boston Marathon: The Finish Line For US Treason. Drill Death. Everything’s In Place For Police State. by Ed Ward, MD http://edwardmd.wordpress.com/2013/04/16/boston-marathon-the-finish-line-for-us-treason-drill-death-everything-is-in-place-for-police-state-by-ed-ward-md/

Pictures: US Boston Weapon – Both ‘Explosions’ – The Secret of the Pure Fusion Weapon – Li7 – Lithium 7 http://edwardmd.wordpress.com/2013/04/19/photograph-of-boston-fireball-2nd-explosion/

Dr. Ed Ward MD, AS, BS, MD – Reporting and investigating Constitutional abuses of the US government for almost 2 decades. AS, BS in Medical Technology – Minor in Organic Chemistry and Physics, volunteer during the Viet Nam war 6 years stateside active duty ‘med tech’ ‘US Air Farce’ – a decade experience in Medical Technology. MD degree from LSU, New Orleans – 2 decades in the field of General Practice. (My) Articles are also referenced by valid experts in their field.


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#85. To: Original_Intent (#0)

Why is this bullshit being re-hashed? The only significant official truth about 9- 11 is that two 767s hit the towers.

SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2013-05-12   0:23:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: SKYDRIFTER (#85)

Why is this bullshit being re-hashed? The only significant official truth about 9- 11 is that two 767s hit the towers.

Wanna explain how they did that with out any trace of wake vortex following them into and through the smoke?

Basic laws of aerodynamics.....

Ignorance begets tyranny.

titorite  posted on  2013-05-12   0:30:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: titorite (#86)

Wanna explain how they did that with out any trace of wake vortex following them into and through the smoke?

Show where the 2nd plane flew thru any smoke.

PSUSA2  posted on  2013-05-12   7:25:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: PSUSA2 (#99)

Wake vortex follows the plane Pusa.

The Planes are not the point of focus. The vortex of wind the is made by the wings splice through the air creating uneven currents of air pressure is the focus.

The wake.

Planes slam into buildings creating explosion, fire, smoke, yada yada.

Just like the wake of a boat that scuttles into land it did not just dissappear. The wake should be visible on all cameras on all film footage.

The text book "swirl" that makes all those con/chemtrails spiraled. ... It should be clearly evident in the smoke and explosions of the days event.

If you know about it then you get nagged by the question.

The more you know the less of a hold tyranny has on you.

Ignorance begets tyranny. I had to learn alot all about this. Now that I have learned stuff I share what I have learned that so that others will be free from the ignorance.

Or at least I try.

titorite  posted on  2013-05-12   7:36:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: titorite (#100) (Edited)

You didn't answer my question.

In order for there to be any visible "swirl" caused by wingtip vortices, it must fly thru a medium such as smoke.

Show where the 2nd plane flew thru smoke.

PSUSA2  posted on  2013-05-12   7:42:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#117. To: PSUSA2 (#101)

In order for there to be any visible "swirl" caused by wingtip vortices, it must fly thru a medium such as smoke.

That must be the source of my confusion.

And I know the vortex is formed behind the wings. What I am trying to get across is that the vortex FOLLOWS the wings....

So if the wings fly into a wall

The wake vortex will follow right into that wall.

You do know these vortexes to follow along at lengths of miles yeah?

Full speed into a building should of netted a half hour of spinning wind smashing into a crash site. It should be observable in the pictures and videos.

The vortex.. It follows behind and INTO!

follow me yet?

titorite  posted on  2013-05-12   10:21:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#118. To: titorite (#117)

And I know the vortex is formed behind the wings. What I am trying to get across is that the vortex FOLLOWS the wings....

WEll that goes without saying. If it is behind the wings, it follows the wings.

Yes I follow you.

The key word is "follow". Where we differ is you allege that vortices will continue in front of the wing if a plane stops.

Then you say that because there is no vortex evident in the fire and smoke, that means there was no plane. That fire was propelled out the opposite side of the building where there would be no vortex because it is in front of the airplane.

PSUSA2  posted on  2013-05-12   10:33:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#119. To: PSUSA2 (#118) (Edited)

Where we differ is you allege that vortices will continue in front of the wing if a plane stops.

Yes. That is not an alligation... it is a newtonian law.

It is called momentum.

The plane had something to stop it... a building.

The Vortex followed the wings... INTO THE BUILDING.

Or it would of had their been real wake vortex.

And yes I do assert that if we do not see the evidence for wake vortex it can only be because it isn't there... and if it isn't there then the thing that should of caused it is an illusion.

So..we agree that wake vortex can linger right? and that the vortex follows the wings and should the wings crash into a building the wake vortex created will also follow the wings slamming into whatever the wings slammed into.

Are we in agreement on that much?

titorite  posted on  2013-05-12   10:50:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#120. To: titorite (#119)

So..we agree that wake vortex can linger right?

Yes.

"and that the vortex follows the wings and should the wings crash into a building the wake vortex created will also follow the wings slamming into whatever the wings slammed into. "

Yes.

Key word = "follow".

Not sure if the word "slamming" is accurate. How powerful is a wing tip vortex? It can flip a plane if one is following too closely but how much power is there I don't know.

Again, you seem to be saying that this vortex would have traveled thru the building and out the other side, leaving evidence of it in the smoke and fire that exited the building on the other side. That we don't agree on.

PSUSA2  posted on  2013-05-12   11:00:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#121. To: PSUSA2 (#120)

How powerful is a wing tip vortex? It can flip a plane if one is following too closely but how much power is there I don't know.

It can flip over a plane.

Do you think it can swirl fire and smoke given you know it can flip over a plane (their used to be this awesome video of a plane flipping over a car that was too close to a runway... I used to use that one for these kinds of expositions... alas.. the new youtube sucks.. just know it can flip cars too)

Again these vortexs can be miles long. Thats why they linger.

And no, they will not precede the plane.

However.. plane crashes and they will follow unto the point of impact...

The wake vortex would not of flown "through" the building.. but rather into the building,fireball,and smoke.

We should be able to see the same kind of swirl as shown off on the wiki pages about wake vortex turbulence.

That we can not should be a red flag.

You asked me for a picture of what I was speaking about and I let you know why I can not find one.

Can you find proof of the wake vortex effect where I could not?

titorite  posted on  2013-05-12   11:11:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#122. To: titorite (#121)

We should be able to see the same kind of swirl as shown off on the wiki pages about wake vortex turbulence.

Should?

I'm not sure what you mean. I dont believe we are on the same page here.

Do you mean where the plane hit the building, or where the fire and debris exited at the other side of the building?

What proof of wing tip vortices do you mean? there are plenty of images on google.

If you mean why the vortices weren't seen where the plane impacted the tower, well most of the fire and debris exited the building on the other side of the tower.

PSUSA2  posted on  2013-05-12   11:50:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#123. To: PSUSA2 (#122)

If you mean why the vortices weren't seen where the plane impacted the tower, well most of the fire and debris exited the building on the other side of the tower.

NOOOOOOO Noooo non no no

Nope no

That is not how the laws of physics works... Like you, bullshitting about what coulda been is not my style.

The fire and debris were not all ejected from only one side of the building. You did not say that was so, but how you imply it... No man.. It was a big fire ball

Emphasis on the word FIREBALL

Then smoke.

The wake vortex following a plane travelling at full speed would of been miles long. It would of followed into the fireball and made a mess of that smoke trail...

It would not of flown through the building.

Into it yes.

Threw it?

no

Swirled fire and smoke?

that would of been present had the wake vortex been there... since it wasn't that leads it self to an uncofortable conclusion.

Remove all that you know is false once you know it is false for certain.

titorite  posted on  2013-05-12   12:05:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#124. To: titorite (#123)

The fire and debris were not all ejected from only one side of the building. You did not say that was so, but how you imply it... No man.. It was a big fire ball

www.youtube.com/watch?fea...lpage&v=EFiEgwLQVJk#t=57s

I implied nothing.

PSUSA2  posted on  2013-05-12   12:58:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#125. To: PSUSA2 (#124)

And this is why I went with anology. For me it is a really easy concept understand . Wind vortex follows the plane. This can be googled.

Even if the plane blows up the created vortex will still follow forward.

Seems like an easy concept.

I have severe trouble understanding what you fail to grasp about it?

Again : just because the a plane crashes , this does not make the wake vortex disappear.

NOr does it run through the building like you imply.... Not with out wofting the fire ball.

I don't know how some people can look at something before them and swear to god that it isnt there.... I can't lie to myself like that.

titorite  posted on  2013-05-12   14:00:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#133. To: titorite (#125)

Wind vortex follows the plane. This can be googled.

No need. I already knew this

" Even if the plane blows up the created vortex will still follow forward. "

Forward past the nose of the (crashed) plane? Prove it.

" Again : just because the a plane crashes , this does not make the wake vortex disappear. "

I can see how it would exist for a time, BEHIND the wings.

PSUSA2  posted on  2013-05-12 14:25:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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