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Title: 9 11 Fake Video Stars: The J Star Clones – Why Covert Operation’s Cointel Must Have ‘Fake’ Video and ‘No Planes’
Source: Ed Ward, MD's Blog: US Tyranny & Treason
URL Source: http://edwardmd.wordpress.com/
Published: May 5, 2013
Author: Ed Ward M.D.
Post Date: 2013-05-05 20:49:50 by Original_Intent
Keywords: planes, no-planes, 911, towers
Views: 22901
Comments: 451

9 11 Fake Video Stars: The J Star Clones – Why Covert Operation’s Cointel Must Have ‘Fake’ Video and ‘No Planes’

9 11 Fake Video Stars: The J Star Clones - Why Covert Operation's Cointel Must Have 'Fake' Video

US Government Problem: Video of the planes needed to actually fly into the WTCs are readily available to the public.

US Government Solution: Promote the Videos as ‘fake’ based on ‘pixel’ BS – This solves the ‘evidence’ problem while never noting that the planes are NOT commercial airliners – which are not structurally capable of performing the tasks and look nothing like the photographic proof that commercial airliners are ‘not in the picture’ and US Government Military Planes are ‘in the picture’. Actually, an excellent scam premise when pumped out by the covert op truth troops.

Wingtips say B 767-400ERE-10A is THE CLONE USED to fly into the WTCs – Unless someone has a version that matches the video better.

The videos show that a Boeing 767-400ER E-10A was the supposed Super-Powered’ Commercial Airliner’. (One of these all very similar clones is clearly seen – one version of these clones has the ‘swept’ back wingtips used to discredit the video as fakery by some… Boeing 767-400ER E-10A) All early videos show the pod and the swept back wing – Recently, I’ve seen newer posts of truth videos in which the planes have neither.

Something that is fake can prove nothing, except that it is fake. It can not prove whether, how, or even if an actual event happened or not. Of course for this premise of ‘fake’ video proving anything one must also believe that during planning…

Someone says, since the plan is to use hijacked airliners, “Hey, let’s not use real planes. Let’s truck the plane parts in, crews to lay them out, people to say they saw planes, etc, et al, and just make some fake videos of planes going into the towers. Now, when we make these fake videos, instead of photoshopping in a commercial airliner with windows, we’ll photoshop in the plane needed to actually do it. Everybody high fives and says, ‘yeah, it’s just our lives on the line for treason.’ ”

Next day, the moron is no longer a threat… most likely scenario, taken out by their own family out of fear they’d all be taken out. It’s ludicrous on multiple levels.. Not just one.

The Ivy Flats Video, the testing of the first micro nuke, the Davy Crockett, is a perfect example of a camera that simply is too slow. Sure, cameras are a lot faster now, so have the travel speeds. They capture erratic images AT BEST when velocity exceeds capture speed images/PIXELS distort. Fact as clearly seen on the Ivy Flats video as soldiers move off train watch what happens to their legs. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nv_q8q6Z9_I

Fake video is only important if one NEEDS to disprove video evidence that a SUPER POWERED IRREGULAR SHAPED, NON WINDOWED ‘COMMERCIAL AIRLINER’ FLEW INTO THE WTCS – INDIRECTLY, without drawing attention to the fact a military aircraft flew into the WTCs. It’s still being done today by so called ‘truthers’. Did the ‘truther orgs’ say? The US government has been caught using its own planes to destroy the WTCs? No everything was silent and then came the need for the ‘fake video’ call.

No Windows in Flight 175 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRC4lCQuBmc&feature=related

Evaluation of Video Footage – for WTC comparisons…

http://911review.org/Wiki/Wtc2PlanePod.shtml

Photo: Boeing N256BA – E-10 MC2A http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3040/2351680318_dcaff7147e_z.jpg?zz=1

Related photos: http://www.spyflight.co.uk/767%20mc2a.htm

There are additional photos in original article ’9 11 Fake Video Stars: The JSTAR Clones. Why Covert Ops Must Have Fake Video 9-11 Fake Video Stars – The JSTAR Clones 10-1-10 Note, the little blue decal up front – one of the WTC witnesses claims to have seen one on the ‘plane that flew into..) BTW, eye witness testimony – the LEAST valuable information WITHOUT additional evidence. http://www.rense.com/general92/911fk.htm

F-4 Phantom at 500 mph into a solid concrete wall http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AB4IEa7jTJw

(Bullets Into Steel – Under pressure and friction metals tend to liquefy) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfFoMyMoiX4

The wall was 12 ft thick, THE PLANE WAS NOT FILLED WITH WATER, but the tanks were to simulate fuel.

“But there was a test similar to what is described above. In 1988, an
unmanned F-4 Phantom, ballasted with water and mounted on rails, was
“flown” into a concrete wall at 480 MPH. As reported, the plane crumpled,
and penetrated only about 2 inches of concrete. A very impressive test -
except it wasn’t meant to be a test of nuclear reactor safety. The wall
the F-4 crashed into was not a simulation of a nuclear plant’s wall. It
was a 12-foot-thick wall mounted on an air cushion. The test was designed to study impact forces by measuring how far the impact would push the wall. Breaking through the concrete was the last thing any of the involved scientists wanted to achieve. Furthermore, the F-4 was ballasted with water to give it the same weight as a plane fully loaded with fuel, and its final weight was 42,000 pounds. Needless to say, crashing a 412,000 pound 767 loaded with fuel into a fixed wall would have slightly different results.

Because according to a 1982 study by the Argonne National Laboratory in Illinois – a study which was conducted by request of the DOE and the NRC – the explosion from a 707 crashing into a containment dome at 466 MPH would probably overwhelm the reactor’s shielding. Note – that’s a 707, which weighs 336,000 pounds. In 1982 those were big jets. But we’ve “advanced” considerably since then. The 767s that were flown into the World Trade Center weighed 80,000 pounds more than that and carried a lot more fuel.

Other studies, again conducted for the NRC at the Lawrence Livermore
National Laboratory, found that a 125,000 pound jet had a 32 % chance of piercing a containment building’s six-foot base and an 84 % chance of
breaking through the dome.” http://everything2.com/user/DejaMorgana/writeups/Nuclear+Power

“A key report, Sugano et al 1992, covers a rocket sled crash experiment using an F-4D Phantom jet fighter impacting into a 10 foot thick reinforced concrete block.

Sandia notes:
The purpose of the test was to determine the impact force, versus time, due to the impact, of a complete F-4 Phantom — including both engines — onto a massive, essentially rigid reinforced concrete target (3.66 meters thick). Previous tests used F-4 engines at similar speeds. The test was not intended to demonstrate the performance (survivability) of any particular type of concrete structure to aircraft impact. The impact occurred at the nominal velocity of 215 meters per second (about 480 mph). The mass of the jet fuel was simulated by water; the effects of fire following such a collision was not a part of the test. The test established that the major impact force was from the engines. The test was performed by Sandia National Laboratories under terms of a contract with the Muto Institute of Structural Mechanics, Inc., of Tokyo.

With very minimal damage to the concrete target block, the plane and its engines were easily converted into small chunks of metal confetti and shrapnel at the physical interface of the two impact objects. Upon initial impact, the follow-on rear portions of the plane yet to make contact retained their shape integrity until their respective impact. (This seriously contradicts claims by Jean-Pierre Desmoulins that the wings of a 757 would have folded forward, as well as claims in the popular press that the wings folded back before entering the “too-small” hole.) The resulting shear caused debris being spread out to the left, right, and rear of the impact locus, having no ability to proceed in their original vector path, having grossly failed the test of strength with the concrete block. However, the wings are wider than the concrete block, so the wingtips are sheared off whole, and they tumble forward after being cleanly separated from the aircraft.

F4 aircraft impacting a solid concrete barrier. Note that the wings and tail do not fold as the nose impacts the concrete. (source: don’t bother moved -http://www.sandia.gov/media/NRgallery00-03.htm)

Sugano (in itself) doesn’t show that a 757 hitting the Pentagon would be turned into confetti and small chunks, but it does show that an F4 was completely destroyed in arguably similar circumstances. Furthermore, it wasn’t anywhere close to an even contest between the wall and the F4. The F4 started with a speed of 215 m/sec — and the tail was still traveling at 185 m/sec when it smashed into the wall. The F4 is a very strongly build aircraft, although at 18 meters long and 19 kg, it’s about a third the length and a fifth the weight of the 757. In terms of comparing what would happen to a 757 versus what happened to the F4, it would be difficult to do an accurate calculation without detailed design information on both aircraft. In a preliminary analysis, the extra length of the 757 means that it has three times the distance to decelerate — but the 757 is also much heavier, so it’s more difficult for the crushing process to supply enough force to decelerate even as rapidly as the F4 did.” http://www.911-strike.com/missing-confetti.htm The article from the ‘pentagon disinformation unit’ counters the information from the ‘WTC no planes disinformation unit’.

Ed Ward, MD – http://edwardmd.wordpress.com/ ;
https://www.facebook.com/EdWardMD3 ; http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EdWard-MD/messages

More US Drill Death in Waco Explosion – Drill Stops for Reality, Again http://edwardmd.wordpress.com/2013/04/28/more-us-drill-death-in-waco-drill-stops-for-reality-again/

Boston Marathon: The Finish Line For US Treason. Drill Death. Everything’s In Place For Police State. by Ed Ward, MD http://edwardmd.wordpress.com/2013/04/16/boston-marathon-the-finish-line-for-us-treason-drill-death-everything-is-in-place-for-police-state-by-ed-ward-md/

Pictures: US Boston Weapon – Both ‘Explosions’ – The Secret of the Pure Fusion Weapon – Li7 – Lithium 7 http://edwardmd.wordpress.com/2013/04/19/photograph-of-boston-fireball-2nd-explosion/

Dr. Ed Ward MD, AS, BS, MD – Reporting and investigating Constitutional abuses of the US government for almost 2 decades. AS, BS in Medical Technology – Minor in Organic Chemistry and Physics, volunteer during the Viet Nam war 6 years stateside active duty ‘med tech’ ‘US Air Farce’ – a decade experience in Medical Technology. MD degree from LSU, New Orleans – 2 decades in the field of General Practice. (My) Articles are also referenced by valid experts in their field.


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For you "no planers" there are other rational explanations other than the planted disinfo (to discredit questions on 911) that there were no planes.(1 image)

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#133. To: titorite (#125)

Wind vortex follows the plane. This can be googled.

No need. I already knew this

" Even if the plane blows up the created vortex will still follow forward. "

Forward past the nose of the (crashed) plane? Prove it.

" Again : just because the a plane crashes , this does not make the wake vortex disappear. "

I can see how it would exist for a time, BEHIND the wings.

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PSUSA2  posted on  2013-05-12   14:25:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#134. To: FormerLurker (#132)

I dont even think we're on the same page here. This whole thread is a mess.

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PSUSA2  posted on  2013-05-12   14:26:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#135. To: wudidiz (#98)

And IF this "fake video" were truly produced with the intent of killing 3000 people on that fateful morning, and broadcast as if it were truly happening, they would have gotten it right BEFORE airing it worldwide?

And don't you think the hundreds of thousands of bystanders who actually SAW what was going on would have said what they were seeing was different than what was aired?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-12   14:29:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#136. To: PSUSA2 (#134)

I dont even think we're on the same page here. This whole thread is a mess.

No we are. I was just stating that no matter HOW you explain it to him, he will refuse to concede ANYTHING which will eliminate one of his programmed "facts" which he's been fed.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-12   14:30:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#137. To: FormerLurker (#136)

Well he did say that I was lying to myself.

If people want to believe there were no planes, more power to them. Just so they know they are going to meet some stiff resistance if they try and convince other people.

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Can you demonstrate a single instance in history where incursion by niggers blacks has resulted in excellence, prosperity, or improvement owing to their presence, inventiveness, or disposition?

PSUSA2  posted on  2013-05-12   14:34:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#138. To: titorite, PSUSA (#119) (Edited)

Yes. That is not an alligation... it is a newtonian law.

It is called momentum.

I bet you couldn't explain the Law of Momentum even if you had a physics book right in front of you.

Thing is, vortices have no momentum in the direction of travel of the aircraft, they are simply circular air currents which form behind the aircraft, they do not travel forward.

Again, do you think those who masterminded 9/11 would have rolled the dice and hoped nobody on the scene would have noticed that no aircraft hit the WTC, it simply blew up with an aircraft shaped entrance hole?

THOUSANDS of people at minimum saw the second aircraft strike the WTC. People WERE jumping off to their deaths, contrary to your comrades claim that they were mannequins being tossed off by "conspirators inside the building".


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-12   14:39:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#139. To: PSUSA2 (#137) (Edited)

If people want to believe there were no planes, more power to them. Just so they know they are going to meet some stiff resistance if they try and convince other people.

They simply call people who don't believe them "tyranny loving disinfo agents", sort of like how Larouche supporters call those who don't support their hero "homosexuals".


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-12   14:40:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#140. To: FormerLurker (#139)

They simply call people who don't believe them "tyranny loving disinfo agents", sort of like how Larouche supporters call those who don't support their hero "homosexuals".

Some do. They aren't doing themselves any favors by exposing their own stupidity like that. They seem to have an authoritarian streak. They will be believed, or else, and reason be damned.

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Can you demonstrate a single instance in history where incursion by niggers blacks has resulted in excellence, prosperity, or improvement owing to their presence, inventiveness, or disposition?

PSUSA2  posted on  2013-05-12   15:05:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#141. To: titorite, Christine, FormerLurker, Lod, Artisian, Wudidiz, GreyLmist, IRTorqued, Robin, StephenLendman, Original_Intent, RickyJ, Tartarwitz, BTPHoldings, itisalreadytolate (#95)

How could a person such as yourself be ignorant to this fact?

I want you and EVERYONE to note that I specifically asked you (an alleged qualified pilot captain) about wake vortex.


Titorite, my apologies, I took it for granted that you were referring to the more commonly known “wake turbulence.” In my personal experience, I’ve known few qualified pilots to use the term “wake vortex.” In fact, I'm more than surprised that you know that particular term. However, the term. “wake vortex,” is pertinent and – in fact – is documented on 9-11 to anyone’s intelligent satisfaction. As I illustrate, I hope you are also satisfied.

"Wake vortex" is most prominently witnessed by the human eye in the presence of reasonably dense clouds, fog or smoke. It can also be evidenced at high cruise altitudes by ice crystals; most commonly the product of jet engine exhaust contrails. It is far less commonly evidenced by the aerodynamic condensation of water vapor (humidity).

In the last few 9-11 video clips of the second aircraft hitting the WTC, a seeming “pod” is seen under the right wing-root. Detailed examination of those clips shows that the “pod” grows – but leaves vapor “wisps.” In concert, the “pod” is seen as the aircraft is maneuvered, aerodynamically creating the condensation dynamics for the wake vortex to be witnessed/recorded.

The same effect is occasionally seen during the takeoff of a commercial jet; as the aircraft rotates, during the takeoff – in the presence of high humidity or fog. The effect evidences the real-time aerodynamic “lift” airflow. Again, as the aircraft is maneuvered.

What few qualified pilots appreciate is that the compounded curves of jet transport wing-roots effect the greatest localized magnitude for the “Bernoulli effect,” the ‘stuff’ of aerodynamic “lift;” aka, pressure differential. Thus, the appearance of the apparent “pod” is not an arbitrary location.

The “pod,” ironically serves your position – though probably not to your pleasure.

Please be advised that my aviation credentials are factual; not “alleged.” Comparably, your bullshit “no-planes” assertions are factual; not “alleged.”

The WTC “no-planes” issue has been competently debunked from early on. Only ignoramuses, fools, idiots and disinformationists go there.

If you’re truly interested in 9-11 “no-planes” facts; look to the 9-11 Pentagon and Shanksville. Those locations offer some of the most powerful truth to argue “inside-job.” The same WTC “no-planes” ignoramuses, fools, idiots and disinformationists won’t or can’t go there – for obvious reasons.

If you need or want a competent and detailed account of 9-11, please pack a big lunch and see:

“9-11 and the Truth”

Please pardon the ‘pulled’ graphics, the ‘official’ powers have their proverbial “vays.” More and more, we’re seeing the onset of Next-Generation Nazism; don’t you think?

Titorite, if you’re factually interested in pertinent 9-11 facts, I’ve opened a major door for you. As due and timely notice, pass the opportunity at your own peril. You’re on the verge of becoming everyday automatic “attack sport;” as are any of your seeming supporters. If you ask any of the 4-um "old timers," you'll discover that I'm the last person that you want to cross swords with; directly or indirectly. Or, if you're an 'old' disinformationist who has dealt with me before (under a different moniker); you already know that.


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2013-05-12   16:25:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#142. To: FormerLurker, titorite, PSUSA2 (#128)

It is formed BEHIND the plane, but does NOT follow it with its own motion.

Relative to this discussion, you're totally correct. Any pertinent/significant volume of following "inertial" airflow would possess a "compression" effect; which would diminish such as "wake vortex."

The only possible example of following "inertial" airflow which comes to my mind is radical windshear, requiring something on the order of a major thunderstorm or tornado.

A fast moving aircraft would have a certain magnitude of "bow wave;" but it wouldn't have any significant or pertinent role worth mentioning in titorite's scenario.

Titorite is voluntarily and desperately leaning on the tip of his own sword.

SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2013-05-12   17:02:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#143. To: SKYDRIFTER (#142)

Their beliefs get in the way of the facts.

That's not unusual. I've done it. So has everyone else.

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Can you demonstrate a single instance in history where incursion by niggers blacks has resulted in excellence, prosperity, or improvement owing to their presence, inventiveness, or disposition?

PSUSA2  posted on  2013-05-12   17:07:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#144. To: PSUSA2 (#143)

Their beliefs get in the way of the facts.

That's not unusual. I've done it. So has everyone else.

No no no Letting your faith blind you to the facts IS unusual.

One should never allow their faith to make liars of themselves.

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titorite  posted on  2013-05-12   17:14:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#145. To: titorite (#144)

I disagree.

If what you're saying was true, the 3 abrahamic faiths would have died many centuries ago.

Faith is what blinds.

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Can you demonstrate a single instance in history where incursion by niggers blacks has resulted in excellence, prosperity, or improvement owing to their presence, inventiveness, or disposition?

PSUSA2  posted on  2013-05-12   17:27:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#146. To: SKYDRIFTER (#141)

Titorite, ...... You’re on the verge of becoming everyday automatic “attack sport;” as are any of your seeming supporters...... If you ask any of the 4-um "old timers," you'll discover that I'm the last person that you want to cross swords with; directly or indirectly. (SIC)Or, if you're an 'old' disinformationist who has dealt with me before (under a different moniker); you already know that.

I think Pusa has known me longer then he has had a 2 in his name and darn sure longer than you have been a member here Skydrifter.

I think calling me a disinformation agent is pretty fucking stupid when you can call me or text me. When people here know me.

I think calling me "attack sport" is indicative of your true intent here.

I don't have any "supporters" here. I have friends here.

I hope you leave my friends the hell alone regardless of your reasons you might make up for fucking with them. My friends are not to be fucked with.

You wanna think differently , thats fine. Lord knows Pusa Thinks differently... as do others.

Threats to attack me or my friends is total bullshit. I might make a bunch of quips and sarcastic remarks from time to time however you won't find me resorting to empty petty threats ...it is beneath me. So please , do not attack. It ain't welcome.

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titorite  posted on  2013-05-12   17:30:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#147. To: PSUSA2 (#145)

I disagree.

If what you're saying was true, the 3 abrahamic faiths would have died many centuries ago.

Faith is what blinds.

Well I think christianity is doing a great job and kicking the ass outta the other two abrhamic faiths.... and is it fair to call the cult of the jews a faith?

I mean honestly , they practice ritual sacrifice... they suck babys off, fuck them. I ain't calling no jew faith faithful. Thats a fucking cult...

And Islam.... IDK... I ain't to fond of their blood sacrifices.

I don't read the xtians doing much of the same when it comes to the extreme... the mormons might fuck it all up with multiple underage wives ... but at least they wait for the babys to learn potty control.....

Alas... faith... how screwy.

No, when it comes to facts , the facts should be stuck with. let the religious keep to the faith.

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titorite  posted on  2013-05-12   17:35:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#148. To: FormerLurker (#128)

It is formed BEHIND the plane, but does NOT follow it with its own motion.

See now that is why you should not listen to this man... he has no fucking clue what he is talking about... Pusa I think you already know the votices follow the wings and not the plane...

AND

I think you know that the effect can linger... and that it follows the plane with its own momentum once created.

And what former lurker suggests their violates that laws of motion.

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titorite  posted on  2013-05-12   17:38:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#149. To: titorite (#147)

No, when it comes to facts , the facts should be stuck with. let the religious keep to the faith.

Just so they keep it far away from me, then live and let live.

But they don't do that. You know, the "great commission" etc. They love to spread their cancer. Misery loves company.

But I know I've done in the past what they do now. So I don't hate them, unless they try and interfere.

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Can you demonstrate a single instance in history where incursion by niggers blacks has resulted in excellence, prosperity, or improvement owing to their presence, inventiveness, or disposition?

PSUSA2  posted on  2013-05-12   17:41:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#150. To: PSUSA2 (#133)

Forward past the nose of the (crashed) plane? Prove it.

OK I meantion something about this here all being provable with just any old search engine.. but here you are saying you still know all about it and that I need to "prove it".

https://www.google.com/search?q=wake+vortex+explained

I don't think you really understand yet. These vortixes are miles long.

Again , these vortices can be miles long.

The plane is not 1 miles long.

The vortex a plane creates can be multiple miles long.

Should the plane slam into a wall the miles long vortics will follow the path of its creation.... into the direction of that wall.

This is not that hard to grasp.

How can you not be understanding it unless you just in gods truth , don't want to understand it?

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titorite  posted on  2013-05-12   17:48:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#151. To: All (#150)

LOL mind boggling

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titorite  posted on  2013-05-12   17:49:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#152. To: titorite, SKYDRIFTER, *9-11* (#146)

I think calling me a disinformation agent is pretty fucking stupid when you can call me or text me. When people here know me. I think calling me "attack sport" is indicative of your true intent here. I don't have any "supporters" here. I have friends here. I hope you leave my friends the hell alone regardless of your reasons you might make up for fucking with them. My friends are not to be fucked with.

Some of us have known each other for a LONG time before you showed your face on this forum.

It's clear to US that you are not interested in any sort of "truth", your only concern is to attack those who are.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-12   17:51:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#153. To: FormerLurker, PUSA2 (#152)

Some of us have known each other for a LONG time before you showed your face on this forum.

No way.

You shouldn't make a dick measuring contest outta this FL. You won't win.

ANYWAYS ,

I found a neat vid showing of the wake vortex effect here

cospilot.wordpress.com/20...ake-turbulence-explained/

And in it you can see the formation of the vortex and that once it is created it is self sustaining for a bit... lingering if you will... and should that plane crash into a wall its wake vortex will follow it into that wall.

Don't listen to the like of FL.. it does not magically appear if the plane explodes or stops suddenly.

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titorite  posted on  2013-05-12   17:55:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#154. To: titorite, SKYDRIFTER (#148)

See now that is why you should not listen to this man... he has no fucking clue what he is talking about... Pusa I think you already know the votices follow the wings and not the plane...

AND

I think you know that the effect can linger... and that it follows the plane with its own momentum once created.

And what former lurker suggests their violates that laws of motion

Did you ever graduate Jr. High?

The vortices are circular currents of air formed BEHIND THE PLANE, they are not jet streams which travel along with the plane with any sort of forward velocity.

Oh, but you know more than airline pilots and others who have studied these matter WELL beyond anything you could ever possibly fathom.

Who taught you this sort of "science", Jim Fetzer?

Do you even have a clue as to what the "Laws of Motion" are?

What sort of force causes the air currents to form in the first place? Do you even know that?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-12   17:56:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#155. To: titorite (#153)

No way.

And no way are you rustyrail from LP. You are an imposter.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-12   17:56:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#156. To: titorite (#153)

Don't listen to the like of FL..

Uh huh. Professor titOR ite has spoken, so everyone obey his words because, well, he orders it.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-12   17:58:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#157. To: FormerLurker (#154)

The vortices are circular currents of air formed BEHIND THE PLANE, they are not jet streams which travel along with the plane with any sort of forward velocity.

LOL.

Better to keep your mouth shut and be thought of as a fool rather than to open your mouth and prove it.

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titorite  posted on  2013-05-12   17:58:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#158. To: titorite (#153)

So again, do you have ANY sort of proof that the hundreds of thousands of people who watched the events unfold live in front of their eyes are LYING, and that they all conspired together to murder 3000 people that morning?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-12   18:00:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#159. To: titorite (#157)

Better to keep your mouth shut and be thought of as a fool rather than to open your mouth and prove it.

You've already displayed your stupidity here, so you may want to heed your own advice.

But if you wish to continue, go ahead and explain how wing vortices are formed. And oh yeah, try to get the spelling right if you don't want people to think that you never even finished elementary school.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-12   18:01:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#160. To: FormerLurker, christine, wudidiz, GreyLmist, PUSA2, EVERYONE (#155)

And no way are you rustyrail from LP. You are an imposter.

That is correct.

its Rale boot licker.

not rail.

And just how do you know this information?

Is it saved to your hard drive?

What the fuck are you doing keeping such old information on people.

Fuck you tyranny lover.

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titorite  posted on  2013-05-12   18:04:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#161. To: titorite (#160)

You posted that information along the way, or made that claim at least.

As far as "tyranny lover", I'm sure you've handed over some info to your handlers as far as personal info on some here who believe you're really just an immature innocent little thing whose "heart" is in the "right place".


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-12   18:13:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#162. To: FormerLurker (#161) (Edited)

What are you doing with any information about me sitting right by your side?

Stop gathering information about members here.

Its creepy as fucking sin.

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titorite  posted on  2013-05-12   18:14:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#163. To: titorite (#160)

Again, it's quite obvious that you're not here to learn anything or search for truth, you're here to discredit those who ARE. Your form of "debate" revolves around INSISTING that you're smarter than pilots and everyone else, then hurling insults and accusations if they don't lick your boots.

Keep it up, I'm sure you'll win new converts.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-12   18:16:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#164. To: titorite (#162)

Stop posting shit about yourself you'd rather keep private, and stop acting like such a drama queen.

But no, I don't think you really are rustyrail. He seemed like a decent enough guy, but then again I've haven't really spoken to him for years, so if it IS you, what sort of drugs have you done that made you lose your mind?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-12   18:18:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#165. To: titorite (#162)

Oh my mistake, it wasn't rustyrail, it was rustynail.

I doubt you are him.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-12   18:21:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#166. To: FormerLurker, christine (#164)

But no, I don't think you really are rustyrail.

Christine I think this problem is worth your time and attention. When you get the time to pay attention. I know you're a busy girl.

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titorite  posted on  2013-05-12   18:24:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#167. To: titorite (#150)

Again , these vortices can be miles long.

Yes I know. You are stating the obvious.

How does that tie in with no planes? Please be concise. Start another thread if you want, because this thread is a mess.

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PSUSA2  posted on  2013-05-12   18:26:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#168. To: titorite, christine (#166)

Christine I think this problem is worth your time and attention. When you get the time to pay attention. I know you're a busy girl.

I think you are a liar and a swindler.

As far as your claims here on this forum of being another poster on LP, I think you are lying about THAT, although you HAVE posted that claim ON the forum in full view.

So stop acting all butthurt over something YOU did.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-12   18:27:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#169. To: FormerLurker (#165)

Oh my mistake, it wasn't rustyrail, it was rustynail.

I doubt you are him.

So what is this you showing off your ballz?

This clever little tactic does not excuse the action you meant to set into motion.

Of late your screen account has made me ponder... is it really good to kick out the known disinformation agents..

The known information gatherers.

If we kick out the thugs they can re-register over and over. But if we let them be all they can do is pass around their active account. ....Sometimes though...

Sometimes a line may be crossed and the question should be put up again...

What is better.. to keep em here under our nose where we can see em or to toss them to the curb and pray for traffic?

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titorite  posted on  2013-05-12   18:30:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#170. To: PSUSA2 (#167)

If you ping me with a PM you can hold me too it. Otherwise I might lose track... and I'd like to try.

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titorite  posted on  2013-05-12   18:32:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#171. To: titorite (#169)

As I said, you are not here to debate, you are here to attack those who DO provide factual information, then act all butthurt when you're called on your own bullshit.

And oh yes, you MUST hurl the lies, accusations, and drama.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-12   18:34:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#172. To: FormerLurker (#171)

Former Lurker Are you or are you not the one accusing me and interrogating me over whether or not I might be another poster on another forum?

Why are you trying to gather information on me?

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titorite  posted on  2013-05-12   18:41:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#173. To: titorite, Christine, FormerLurker, Lod, Artisian, Wudidiz, GreyLmist, IRTorqued, Robin, StephenLendman, Original_Intent, RickyJ, Tartarwitz, BTPHoldings, itisalreadytolate (#146)

I think Pusa has known me longer then he has had a 2 in his name and darn sure longer than you have been a member here Skydrifter.

I think calling me a disinformation agent is pretty fucking stupid when you can call me or text me. When people here know me.

I think calling me "attack sport" is indicative of your true intent here.

I don't have any "supporters" here. I have friends here.

I hope you leave my friends the hell alone regardless of your reasons you might make up for fucking with them. My friends are not to be fucked with.

You wanna think differently , thats fine. Lord knows Pusa Thinks differently... as do others.

Threats to attack me or my friends is total bullshit. I might make a bunch of quips and sarcastic remarks from time to time however you won't find me resorting to empty petty threats ...it is beneath me. So please , do not attack. It ain't welcome.

I haven't seen such amateurish application of semantics and context-shifting in a while. So mote it be.

It may have been a mistake, but out of reasonable respect, I gave you a competent answer to your "wake vortex" issue; and more. I began with an apology. Any truly decent person would have thanked me; or possibly asked for further clarification. In similar respect I cautioned you; I didn't "call" anyone anything. Instead of appropriately responding, you chose to fly your true colors. That's ironically to be appreciated.

You don't seem to know much about my 4-um 'seniority' or the magnitude of respect which I have always commanded among those who are to be counted as fact and truth seekers. I doubt that my history has any meaning to you; but that makes no difference to me.

As to your impotent childish and vitriolic drivel; bad move! OR, to be more accurate, "... another bad move!" You're best advised to choose your next words and attitude very carefully. If in doubt, ask Christine.

BAC to you.


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2013-05-12   18:49:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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