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Title: 9 11 Fake Video Stars: The J Star Clones – Why Covert Operation’s Cointel Must Have ‘Fake’ Video and ‘No Planes’
Source: Ed Ward, MD's Blog: US Tyranny & Treason
URL Source: http://edwardmd.wordpress.com/
Published: May 5, 2013
Author: Ed Ward M.D.
Post Date: 2013-05-05 20:49:50 by Original_Intent
Keywords: planes, no-planes, 911, towers
Views: 28141
Comments: 451

9 11 Fake Video Stars: The J Star Clones – Why Covert Operation’s Cointel Must Have ‘Fake’ Video and ‘No Planes’

9 11 Fake Video Stars: The J Star Clones - Why Covert Operation's Cointel Must Have 'Fake' Video

US Government Problem: Video of the planes needed to actually fly into the WTCs are readily available to the public.

US Government Solution: Promote the Videos as ‘fake’ based on ‘pixel’ BS – This solves the ‘evidence’ problem while never noting that the planes are NOT commercial airliners – which are not structurally capable of performing the tasks and look nothing like the photographic proof that commercial airliners are ‘not in the picture’ and US Government Military Planes are ‘in the picture’. Actually, an excellent scam premise when pumped out by the covert op truth troops.

Wingtips say B 767-400ERE-10A is THE CLONE USED to fly into the WTCs – Unless someone has a version that matches the video better.

The videos show that a Boeing 767-400ER E-10A was the supposed Super-Powered’ Commercial Airliner’. (One of these all very similar clones is clearly seen – one version of these clones has the ‘swept’ back wingtips used to discredit the video as fakery by some… Boeing 767-400ER E-10A) All early videos show the pod and the swept back wing – Recently, I’ve seen newer posts of truth videos in which the planes have neither.

Something that is fake can prove nothing, except that it is fake. It can not prove whether, how, or even if an actual event happened or not. Of course for this premise of ‘fake’ video proving anything one must also believe that during planning…

Someone says, since the plan is to use hijacked airliners, “Hey, let’s not use real planes. Let’s truck the plane parts in, crews to lay them out, people to say they saw planes, etc, et al, and just make some fake videos of planes going into the towers. Now, when we make these fake videos, instead of photoshopping in a commercial airliner with windows, we’ll photoshop in the plane needed to actually do it. Everybody high fives and says, ‘yeah, it’s just our lives on the line for treason.’ ”

Next day, the moron is no longer a threat… most likely scenario, taken out by their own family out of fear they’d all be taken out. It’s ludicrous on multiple levels.. Not just one.

The Ivy Flats Video, the testing of the first micro nuke, the Davy Crockett, is a perfect example of a camera that simply is too slow. Sure, cameras are a lot faster now, so have the travel speeds. They capture erratic images AT BEST when velocity exceeds capture speed images/PIXELS distort. Fact as clearly seen on the Ivy Flats video as soldiers move off train watch what happens to their legs. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nv_q8q6Z9_I

Fake video is only important if one NEEDS to disprove video evidence that a SUPER POWERED IRREGULAR SHAPED, NON WINDOWED ‘COMMERCIAL AIRLINER’ FLEW INTO THE WTCS – INDIRECTLY, without drawing attention to the fact a military aircraft flew into the WTCs. It’s still being done today by so called ‘truthers’. Did the ‘truther orgs’ say? The US government has been caught using its own planes to destroy the WTCs? No everything was silent and then came the need for the ‘fake video’ call.

No Windows in Flight 175 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRC4lCQuBmc&feature=related

Evaluation of Video Footage – for WTC comparisons…

http://911review.org/Wiki/Wtc2PlanePod.shtml

Photo: Boeing N256BA – E-10 MC2A http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3040/2351680318_dcaff7147e_z.jpg?zz=1

Related photos: http://www.spyflight.co.uk/767%20mc2a.htm

There are additional photos in original article ’9 11 Fake Video Stars: The JSTAR Clones. Why Covert Ops Must Have Fake Video 9-11 Fake Video Stars – The JSTAR Clones 10-1-10 Note, the little blue decal up front – one of the WTC witnesses claims to have seen one on the ‘plane that flew into..) BTW, eye witness testimony – the LEAST valuable information WITHOUT additional evidence. http://www.rense.com/general92/911fk.htm

F-4 Phantom at 500 mph into a solid concrete wall http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AB4IEa7jTJw

(Bullets Into Steel – Under pressure and friction metals tend to liquefy) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfFoMyMoiX4

The wall was 12 ft thick, THE PLANE WAS NOT FILLED WITH WATER, but the tanks were to simulate fuel.

“But there was a test similar to what is described above. In 1988, an
unmanned F-4 Phantom, ballasted with water and mounted on rails, was
“flown” into a concrete wall at 480 MPH. As reported, the plane crumpled,
and penetrated only about 2 inches of concrete. A very impressive test -
except it wasn’t meant to be a test of nuclear reactor safety. The wall
the F-4 crashed into was not a simulation of a nuclear plant’s wall. It
was a 12-foot-thick wall mounted on an air cushion. The test was designed to study impact forces by measuring how far the impact would push the wall. Breaking through the concrete was the last thing any of the involved scientists wanted to achieve. Furthermore, the F-4 was ballasted with water to give it the same weight as a plane fully loaded with fuel, and its final weight was 42,000 pounds. Needless to say, crashing a 412,000 pound 767 loaded with fuel into a fixed wall would have slightly different results.

Because according to a 1982 study by the Argonne National Laboratory in Illinois – a study which was conducted by request of the DOE and the NRC – the explosion from a 707 crashing into a containment dome at 466 MPH would probably overwhelm the reactor’s shielding. Note – that’s a 707, which weighs 336,000 pounds. In 1982 those were big jets. But we’ve “advanced” considerably since then. The 767s that were flown into the World Trade Center weighed 80,000 pounds more than that and carried a lot more fuel.

Other studies, again conducted for the NRC at the Lawrence Livermore
National Laboratory, found that a 125,000 pound jet had a 32 % chance of piercing a containment building’s six-foot base and an 84 % chance of
breaking through the dome.” http://everything2.com/user/DejaMorgana/writeups/Nuclear+Power

“A key report, Sugano et al 1992, covers a rocket sled crash experiment using an F-4D Phantom jet fighter impacting into a 10 foot thick reinforced concrete block.

Sandia notes:
The purpose of the test was to determine the impact force, versus time, due to the impact, of a complete F-4 Phantom — including both engines — onto a massive, essentially rigid reinforced concrete target (3.66 meters thick). Previous tests used F-4 engines at similar speeds. The test was not intended to demonstrate the performance (survivability) of any particular type of concrete structure to aircraft impact. The impact occurred at the nominal velocity of 215 meters per second (about 480 mph). The mass of the jet fuel was simulated by water; the effects of fire following such a collision was not a part of the test. The test established that the major impact force was from the engines. The test was performed by Sandia National Laboratories under terms of a contract with the Muto Institute of Structural Mechanics, Inc., of Tokyo.

With very minimal damage to the concrete target block, the plane and its engines were easily converted into small chunks of metal confetti and shrapnel at the physical interface of the two impact objects. Upon initial impact, the follow-on rear portions of the plane yet to make contact retained their shape integrity until their respective impact. (This seriously contradicts claims by Jean-Pierre Desmoulins that the wings of a 757 would have folded forward, as well as claims in the popular press that the wings folded back before entering the “too-small” hole.) The resulting shear caused debris being spread out to the left, right, and rear of the impact locus, having no ability to proceed in their original vector path, having grossly failed the test of strength with the concrete block. However, the wings are wider than the concrete block, so the wingtips are sheared off whole, and they tumble forward after being cleanly separated from the aircraft.

F4 aircraft impacting a solid concrete barrier. Note that the wings and tail do not fold as the nose impacts the concrete. (source: don’t bother moved -http://www.sandia.gov/media/NRgallery00-03.htm)

Sugano (in itself) doesn’t show that a 757 hitting the Pentagon would be turned into confetti and small chunks, but it does show that an F4 was completely destroyed in arguably similar circumstances. Furthermore, it wasn’t anywhere close to an even contest between the wall and the F4. The F4 started with a speed of 215 m/sec — and the tail was still traveling at 185 m/sec when it smashed into the wall. The F4 is a very strongly build aircraft, although at 18 meters long and 19 kg, it’s about a third the length and a fifth the weight of the 757. In terms of comparing what would happen to a 757 versus what happened to the F4, it would be difficult to do an accurate calculation without detailed design information on both aircraft. In a preliminary analysis, the extra length of the 757 means that it has three times the distance to decelerate — but the 757 is also much heavier, so it’s more difficult for the crushing process to supply enough force to decelerate even as rapidly as the F4 did.” http://www.911-strike.com/missing-confetti.htm The article from the ‘pentagon disinformation unit’ counters the information from the ‘WTC no planes disinformation unit’.

Ed Ward, MD – http://edwardmd.wordpress.com/ ;
https://www.facebook.com/EdWardMD3 ; http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EdWard-MD/messages

More US Drill Death in Waco Explosion – Drill Stops for Reality, Again http://edwardmd.wordpress.com/2013/04/28/more-us-drill-death-in-waco-drill-stops-for-reality-again/

Boston Marathon: The Finish Line For US Treason. Drill Death. Everything’s In Place For Police State. by Ed Ward, MD http://edwardmd.wordpress.com/2013/04/16/boston-marathon-the-finish-line-for-us-treason-drill-death-everything-is-in-place-for-police-state-by-ed-ward-md/

Pictures: US Boston Weapon – Both ‘Explosions’ – The Secret of the Pure Fusion Weapon – Li7 – Lithium 7 http://edwardmd.wordpress.com/2013/04/19/photograph-of-boston-fireball-2nd-explosion/

Dr. Ed Ward MD, AS, BS, MD – Reporting and investigating Constitutional abuses of the US government for almost 2 decades. AS, BS in Medical Technology – Minor in Organic Chemistry and Physics, volunteer during the Viet Nam war 6 years stateside active duty ‘med tech’ ‘US Air Farce’ – a decade experience in Medical Technology. MD degree from LSU, New Orleans – 2 decades in the field of General Practice. (My) Articles are also referenced by valid experts in their field.


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#206. To: FormerLurker (#171)

As I said, you are not here to debate, you are here to attack those who DO provide factual information.

Yes, all 3000 of them!

Why is it so important to link Titorite to LP? And why do you care so much about following him around like a cat in heat?

Just curious about your motivations.

SilverStorm  posted on  2013-05-13   1:47:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#207. To: Aquila, *9-11* (#199)

The first minute of this video shows a press conference held by Porter Goss [sic] at the Capitol on that fateful day.

It must be after what happened in NY but before whatever happened at the Pentagon.

What is making the jet noise?

Cross-referencing two posts at 4um Title: Former pilot and 9/11 conspiracy theorist shoots and kills 2 teen children, then himself | Link for the video posted there and above: 9/11: Is this AA Flight 77? And what is this explosion?

Post #220: at 2:05 of that video, Goss says that he got to the office of the Speaker of the House, Dennis Hastert, just as the plane hit the Pentagon; [sic] From that statement about the timing of his arrival at Hastert's office, it can be presumed that the clip of him in a press interview at the beginning of the video (with booming and plane sound effects) was not filmed during the Pentagon attack.

Post #205: Most interesting, imo, was G.W. Bush's statements starting at 5:58 that indicate he flew by the Pentagon, in a helicopter, while it was still in flames.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-05-13   1:51:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#208. To: FormerLurker (#204)

Yep, you're another "no-planer" aren't you.

So I suppose you're blind to the fact he attacked me first and hurled MUCH worse accusations towards me.

That is Mrs. no-planer to you :)

You gonna cry about that? Let me get a camera and film this for posterity :o)

SilverStorm  posted on  2013-05-13   3:55:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#209. To: SilverStorm (#208)

That is Mrs. no-planer to you :)

:)

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-05-13   5:51:00 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#210. To: SKYDRIFTER (#188)

You've already been advised by a trusted name to back off; listen - don't think - just listen to obviously good advice.

I want you to know that is a lie on your part. I have not sought nor received any advice regarding you.

I will tell you this much though. When I see two friends fighting I do not get in the middle nor do I take sides. Not all of my friends get along with each other. I do not insist that they do. I love my friends just the way they are.

And now to quote another lie from you skydrifter

Any pertinent/significant volume of following "inertial" airflow would possess a "compression" effect; which would diminish such as "wake vortex."

A fast moving aircraft would have a certain magnitude of "bow wave;" but it wouldn't have any significant or pertinent role worth mentioning in titorite's scenario.

..... My scenario is 911. I don't know what you think I am talking about but I am talking about the events of September eleventh. If you are going to engage in this conversation please keep up with the subject matter . Planes drag air. That dragged air spins into neat vortex. When a plane crashes it brings that dragged air with it all the way into the crash... Because the air dragging behind a plane has a momentum of its own.

I wish your high school science teacher had spent more time on Newton with you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drafting_%28aerodynamics%29

I didn't "call" anyone anything.

Ignoramuses, fools, idiots and disinformationists , thats what you called me and anyone else who is a proponent of the new plane theory.

Which makes you the hypocrite too... http://www.thepentacon.com/russell-pickering.htm

Kinda like this guy.

...this is gonna be my last word to you for awhile sky.

..... I've decided to bozo you out.

duces.

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titorite  posted on  2013-05-13   6:33:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#211. To: SilverStorm (#202)

It is not because a plane suddenly stop flying, in this case "crashed" into a building, that the wake vortex turbulence stops automatically, it continues until the momentum it gained is lost.

It doesn't retain forward momentum after a crash because there is no forward momentum.

Everyone with an interest in aviation knows that these vortices can last for a period of time. No one is arguing that point.

Now what does all this have to do with "no planes"?

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PSUSA2  posted on  2013-05-13   7:30:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#212. To: PSUSA2 (#211) (Edited)

You do know that you can stand to learn more about this subject PUSA?

The vortcies created by planes do indeed have a forward momentum. If they did not they could not be created in the first place. Forward is part of the spin in regards to the vortex.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wingtip_vortices

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dra...ynamics%29#Vortex_surfing

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lifting-line_theory

just saying.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wake

That link has both water and air wakes to learn about ;)

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titorite  posted on  2013-05-13   8:21:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#213. To: titorite (#212)

The vortcies created by planes do indeed have a forward momentum. If they did not they could not be created in the first place. Forward is part of the spin in regards to the vortex.

Proof. you are lacking proof.

Dont paste links. Anyone can do that. Post the proof and the source that vortices can overshoot a wing if a plane crashes into a building.

And what does this have to do with 9/11 PRECISELY????

I dont give a damn about vortices. That is because they have not been shown to be relevant to anything that happened on 9/11.

So, why the focus on vortices? Please answer that, clearly and concisely.

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PSUSA2  posted on  2013-05-13   8:32:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#214. To: PSUSA2 (#213)

So, why the focus on vortices? Please answer that, clearly and concisely.

OK... I have tried explaining this to you more than once...

YOu ask for proof but then say don't post links...

So you do not want any proof? or you wants pics. maybe videos... and you don't want me to link that stuff because????

As for why they are relevant; it is because they were present even if you can not see them with the naked eye. The air behind a wing still spins even if their is no smoke to make the act of observation easier.

On 911 we had lots of smoke and two fire balls.

If the wake vortex was really there we would be able to see the evidence of it. That it is NOT present indicates the things that should of caused the wake vortexes may not be real.

Some of this information could be found in those links.

YOur saying that the vortex has no forward momentum... How much do you know about this shit PUSA? Can you regurgitate it to me? Do you know what you are looking for should you attempt to look this shit up online?

encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.co...jHPNTCKBM-BnT-omeUWx4BE-A

Just to say, the effect follows the plane.... if the plane slams into the ground then the effect follows the plane into the ground.

You act as though david copperfield is responsible for flight and that these contrails magically switch on and off.... That is not how it works.... They take alot of momentum to form in the first place and they take a while to dissipate and if the bird making em flys into something and explodes the wake will following into the explosion.

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I don't know what to say now.... I wanna link a video but you want proof and you want it now and you want it concise and you don't want any links.....'

Seems like the end of the line.

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titorite  posted on  2013-05-13   9:17:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#215. To: All (#214)

I think you depend on me too much to make up your mind for you PUSA.. that or you give not a shit about this and you are just egging me on ad nasum because you think it is fun and nothing I do , say, or provide will be enough for you...

Some people still think box cutters brought down the towers. I am not comfortable with that. I am only comfortable with the truth... no matter how nasty.

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titorite  posted on  2013-05-13   9:20:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#216. To: titorite (#214)

On 911 we had lots of smoke and two fire balls.

If the wake vortex was really there we would be able to see the evidence of it. That it is NOT present indicates the things that should of caused the wake vortexes may not be real.

OK now we're getting somewhere. Finally.

The only way you'd see evidence of it (vortices) is if the plane flew thru smoke/fire.

Did that (plane flying thru smoke/fire) happen? Or did it not happen?

Evidently you claim that (flying thru smoke/fire) didn't happen, thereby proving by the lack of vortices that no planes were involved. Right?

Is that what you're saying?

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PSUSA2  posted on  2013-05-13   9:29:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#217. To: PSUSA2 (#216)

OK now we're getting somewhere. Finally.

The only way you'd see evidence of it (vortices) is if the plane flew thru smoke/fire.

Did that (plane flying thru smoke/fire) happen? Or did it not happen?

Evidently you claim that (flying thru smoke/fire) didn't happen, thereby proving by the lack of vortices that no planes were involved. Right?

Is that what you're saying?

Ok, now I am fairly certain you are just fucking with me.

You can "see" vortex in smoke, dust, thermal imaging (flicker cam), derbies...

If nothing is there it is still present.

It is an after effect of flight itself. Of the wings cutting through the air (you could educate yourself better if you were so inclined). It is present whether you can see it or not. It is a spiraling of air that follows the path of its creation.

If the plane flys south the wake vortex goes south. If the plane goes north then the wake vortex goes north.

The the plane crashes no new spiraling creation occurs.

The spiral of air already created will continue to spiral in the direction of its creation.

The spinning spiral wake of air does not instantly stop. It does not disperse immediately. It continues spinning in cycles outwards and forwards ever expanding into the entropy that is eventual dissipation.

The plane may crash but the wake vortex will live on for a moment longer. Long enough to follow through and into the fireball.

Here is a video link you don't want

www.youtube.com/watch?v=krL4fkrySZ4

Watch it or don't.... It proly doesn't matter.

What does matter is that if the wind following the plane has NO forward momentum then it can not really follow anything.

Jesus... It is like you are saying a trailer hauling liquid doesn't continue moving forward if you slam on your truck brakes.

Momentum.

It is a real thing.

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titorite  posted on  2013-05-13   9:47:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#218. To: titorite (#217)

Here is a video link you don't want

www.youtube.com/watch?v=krL4fkrySZ4

Watch it or don't.... It proly doesn't matter.

What the fuck is this shit?

That vid proves nothing other than the already acknowledged fact that wing tip vortices exist. And that blondes can put on boxing gloves... Not sure how that helps your case, but there we are.

GET THIS!! NO ONE IS DISPUTING THE FACT THAT THESE VORTICES EXIST! NO ONE. PERIOD, END OF DISCUSSION.

DID YOU GET THAT???

Now, here are my questions for you.

What is the relevance if these vortices to your ideas of 'no planes'?

Perhaps you have a video of your 'no planes' flying thru smoke? Fire?

FOCUS!

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PSUSA2  posted on  2013-05-13   10:04:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#219. To: SKYDRIFTER (#201)

I'd say a jet aircraft for sure; but it occurs significantly after the presented/assumed "event" at the Pentagon.

That press conference occurred between the NY events and whatever happened at the pentagon -or as it happened.. The video proves the timeline. If that press conference happened "significantly after" the event at the pentagon the people milling about while Goss speaks would have to be insane. Look at the people running for their lives. If you watch the whole thing it's clear as a bell.

That's flight 77 audio on tape. It could not be anything else.

Aquila  posted on  2013-05-13   12:10:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#220. To: PSUSA2, titorite (#218) (Edited)

What is the relevance if these vortices to your ideas of 'no planes'?

Planes leave wake vortexes behind their wings.

They can be seen on video.

There is no evidence of wake vortex behind any of the planes on any of the videos.

This is another indication that the videos of planes on 9/11 are fake.

(Edited for unnecessary language)


"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow

wudidiz  posted on  2013-05-13   12:40:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#221. To: wudidiz (#220)

Can we put this part of the fucking discussion aside for now?

No. We can't.

" There is no evidence of wake vortex behind any of the planes on any of the videos. "

Could it maybe possibly might sort-of be because the plane never flew through any medium (like smoke) to make a visible vortex?

Could that be why there is no evidence?

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PSUSA2  posted on  2013-05-13   12:46:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#222. To: PSUSA2 (#221)

Could it maybe possibly might sort-of be because the plane never flew through any medium (like smoke) to make a visible vortex?

Could that be why there is no evidence?

No.


"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow

wudidiz  posted on  2013-05-13   12:49:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#223. To: wudidiz (#222)

No

Please, do feel free to elaborate.

You no planers aren't doing a very good job presenting your case. It seems to be limited to arguing the existence of wing tip vortices. No one disputes that.

I'm trying to get you people to present your evidence that there were no planes hitting the towers. It seems my efforts are in vain.

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PSUSA2  posted on  2013-05-13   13:01:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#224. To: PSUSA2 (#223)

I'm trying to get you people to present your evidence that there were no planes hitting the towers. It seems my efforts are in vain.

You haven't offered me any money yet.


"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow

wudidiz  posted on  2013-05-13   13:02:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#225. To: wudidiz (#224)

You haven't presented anything worth paying for.

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Can you demonstrate a single instance in history where incursion by niggers blacks has resulted in excellence, prosperity, or improvement owing to their presence, inventiveness, or disposition?

PSUSA2  posted on  2013-05-13   13:05:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#226. To: PSUSA2 (#225)

I never said it was worth paying for.


"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow

wudidiz  posted on  2013-05-13   13:15:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#227. To: All (#224)

I'm trying to get you people to present your evidence that there were no planes hitting the towers.

Racist.

It seems my efforts are in vain.

Where there's a will there's a way. Believe what you want. If you want to believe the tv and the govt when they tell you that planes were used, fine. It's your life.

I'd like to see some evidence that is more convincing evidence than fake videos and "thousands" of mystery eyewitnesses.


"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow

wudidiz  posted on  2013-05-13   13:32:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#228. To: wudidiz (#227)

Believe what you want. If you want to believe the tv and the govt when they tell you that planes were used, fine.

Present your case for there being no planes hitting the towers.

It's a simple request. Allegations have been made. Now back them up with proof.

I'm asking you out in the open to do this. Personally I think the no-planers are full of shit, but I give you and others the chance to prove me wrong. So, go ahead. Prove me wrong. Make me go away in shame after being defeated by you no-planers.

Here's your chance. It's a golden opportunity to prove you are right and I am wrong. Show everyone here that you are 100% justified in saying "I TOLD YOU SO!"

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Can you demonstrate a single instance in history where incursion by niggers blacks has resulted in excellence, prosperity, or improvement owing to their presence, inventiveness, or disposition?

PSUSA2  posted on  2013-05-13   13:47:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#229. To: PSUSA2 (#228)

If you want to know the truth, like I did. Like I did with the holohoax and vaccines and other assorted myths.

You can take the time to figure it out in your own mind using your own resources.

I may be crazy, but I'm not stupid enough to think I can change your opinion against your will.

Take as much time as you like. There's no shortage of it.


"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow

wudidiz  posted on  2013-05-13   14:10:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#230. To: wudidiz, every last no-planer here (#229)

nonsense.

If what you claim is true, one average sized post could contain the necessary information, If you think it takes a book to tell your side of the story, all that means is that you think you can bury a bunch of crap and hope no one notices.

That you refuse to do that, and that every no planer here refuses to do that, tells me that you and other no-planers are using this to distract others from finding out what happened on 9/11.

You are full of shit, wud. You and every other no-planer here and elsewhere are full of shit.

I dont know if you and others are disinfo, or just a bunch blithering idiots. In the long run, it doesn't matter, because neither choice is good. Personally I think you are nothing but a bunch of morons, too fucking stupid to have any link to any kind of organized effort.

I gave you all the opportunity, out in the open, to prove your case. None of you had the balls to do so.

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Can you demonstrate a single instance in history where incursion by niggers blacks has resulted in excellence, prosperity, or improvement owing to their presence, inventiveness, or disposition?

PSUSA2  posted on  2013-05-13   15:12:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#231. To: PSUSA2, every last planer here (#230)

What Witnesses?


"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow

wudidiz  posted on  2013-05-13   15:38:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#232. To: wudidiz (#231)

Yes, you could feel it. It was a gigantic sonic boom.

jesus fucking christ.

A sonic boom.

I guess when a plane hits a building, it should go "pfft", like a little fart.

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Can you demonstrate a single instance in history where incursion by niggers blacks has resulted in excellence, prosperity, or improvement owing to their presence, inventiveness, or disposition?

PSUSA2  posted on  2013-05-13   15:46:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#233. To: PSUSA2 (#232)

That's it? You're done? Wow you're fast. And so easily satisfied.


"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow

wudidiz  posted on  2013-05-13   16:05:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#234. To: wudidiz (#233)

yeah i'm done adios

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Can you demonstrate a single instance in history where incursion by niggers blacks has resulted in excellence, prosperity, or improvement owing to their presence, inventiveness, or disposition?

PSUSA2  posted on  2013-05-13   16:14:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#235. To: PSUSA2 (#234)

Have fun


"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow

wudidiz  posted on  2013-05-13   16:22:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#236. To: PSUSA2 (#218)

What is the relevance if these vortices to your ideas of 'no planes'?

Perhaps you have a video of your 'no planes' flying thru smoke? Fire?

FOCUS!

Why are you married to the notion that their must be smoke for the wing vortecies to exists.

And how do you fail to understand.

OK a plane allegedly flew into a building. The plane allegedly exploded. The Wake vortex did not allegedly explode , just the alleged plane.

Now the wake vortex can not explode so that is not in question.

What is in question is how come we do not see the wake vortex slamming into the fireball?

No, their is no video of the 'no planes' not hitting the towers. Asking for such a video is stupidity. Foolishness. You are asking for a video of nothing and loling to yourself. Ha ha ha super funny but not very smart.

You can see the explosion from hundreds of different angles.

YOu never see the wake vortex that should of been following the planes. It should of swirled into the fire ball and resulting smoke.

The plane would of still had a huge wake vortex following it after it crashed... that vortex would of caught up to it and into it.

If a semi truck crashes the trailer he is pulling still has forward momentum.

Just because the planes crash does not negate the forward momentum of the wake vortex.

If those planes were real we would of seen that evidence.

That their is a lack of wake vortex means those planes were most likely not real.

And if you can not understand that it is only because you do not want to understand it.

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titorite  posted on  2013-05-13   17:32:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#237. To: titorite (#236)

Why are you married to the notion that their must be smoke for the wing vortecies to exists.

A) You should learn to spell if you wish to be taken seriously.

B) Nobody said you need smoke to have wing vortices. What was said is that you need smoke or fog to SEE those wing vortices.

C) Explain how wing vortices are formed and what makes them move in a spiral.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-13   17:40:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#238. To: FormerLurker (#237)

A) you must be new in that seat

B) the majority here know

c) what happened to the former dude in your seat. He didn't rely on notes so much.

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Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) (It's a more positive message)

titorite  posted on  2013-05-13   17:44:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#239. To: titorite (#238)

So you have nothing but nonsensical remarks, and have no intention of giving any sort of honest thought out answers.

It's clear what you're doing here. So are you working the 2nd shift, taking over for wud?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-13   18:00:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#240. To: titorite (#236)

Why are you married to the notion that their must be smoke for the wing vortecies to exists.

Where did I say that?

You need something like smoke to see it.

"YOu never see the wake vortex that should of been following the planes. It should of swirled into the fire ball and resulting smoke. "

The fire and smoke exited the building on the opposite site of the impact. Proof is on the videos. (yeah I know they are all fake blah blah blah) So how would a vortex affect that? Don't answer. I don't even want to hear it.

Sayonara. I'm done with your crap too.

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Can you demonstrate a single instance in history where incursion by niggers blacks has resulted in excellence, prosperity, or improvement owing to their presence, inventiveness, or disposition?

PSUSA2  posted on  2013-05-13   18:18:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#241. To: FormerLurker, SKYDRIFTER (#176) (Edited)

BAC to you.

Well chosen words.. LOL

Thing is BAC was MAGNITUDES more intelligent, and infinitely more polite.

BAC to 9/11 truthers ~ "You guys are kooks." He only appeared intelligent because of his sources of info, which was still debunked almost as easily as this no-plane hit the towers stuff is debunked.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2013-05-13   18:23:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#242. To: titorite (#180)

I am also sure wake vortex will follow a plane into a wall.

Huh? What the heck are you talking about? Follow into a wall? Do you know anything about physics? I think not talking like that.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2013-05-13   18:29:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#243. To: FormerLurker (#239)

So you have nothing but nonsensical remarks, and have no intention of giving any sort of honest thought out answers.

It's clear what you're doing here. So are you working the 2nd shift, taking over for wud?

Did I catch you off guard?

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Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) (It's a more positive message)

titorite  posted on  2013-05-13   18:30:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#244. To: titorite (#180)

I am also sure wake vortex will follow a plane into a wall.

Follow into a wall! Dumbest comment I have ever seen ever. First of all they don't follow, as in move the direction the plane is moving, they are produced by the plane flying through the air at the wingtips. They can last up to three minutes depending on the wind and other factors. Their force not comparable to the force of an explosion, which would dissipate the vortex immediately. Damn dude, please stop posting your drivel here.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2013-05-13   19:08:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#245. To: SKYDRIFTER, FormerLurker (#179)

Who taught you this sort of "science", Jim Fetzer?

That's a truly prominent name in the "no-planes" issue; another persistent but sore loser. I suspect he still loses sleep every time my name pops up.

Someone recently signed up on 4um with the name Jim Fetzer. I don't know if it is really him or not though. The no-brainers are having a field day here lately. I don't know why they are tolerated honestly, they hurt the movement.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2013-05-13   19:16:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#246. To: RickyJ, SKYDRIFTER, FormerLurker (#245)

To some degree the "no-planers" remind me of militant atheists. It is sort of a self righteous "how dare you believe differently" attitude.

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2013-05-13   19:38:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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