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Title: 9 11 Fake Video Stars: The J Star Clones – Why Covert Operation’s Cointel Must Have ‘Fake’ Video and ‘No Planes’
Source: Ed Ward, MD's Blog: US Tyranny & Treason
URL Source: http://edwardmd.wordpress.com/
Published: May 5, 2013
Author: Ed Ward M.D.
Post Date: 2013-05-05 20:49:50 by Original_Intent
Keywords: planes, no-planes, 911, towers
Views: 22843
Comments: 451

9 11 Fake Video Stars: The J Star Clones – Why Covert Operation’s Cointel Must Have ‘Fake’ Video and ‘No Planes’

9 11 Fake Video Stars: The J Star Clones - Why Covert Operation's Cointel Must Have 'Fake' Video

US Government Problem: Video of the planes needed to actually fly into the WTCs are readily available to the public.

US Government Solution: Promote the Videos as ‘fake’ based on ‘pixel’ BS – This solves the ‘evidence’ problem while never noting that the planes are NOT commercial airliners – which are not structurally capable of performing the tasks and look nothing like the photographic proof that commercial airliners are ‘not in the picture’ and US Government Military Planes are ‘in the picture’. Actually, an excellent scam premise when pumped out by the covert op truth troops.

Wingtips say B 767-400ERE-10A is THE CLONE USED to fly into the WTCs – Unless someone has a version that matches the video better.

The videos show that a Boeing 767-400ER E-10A was the supposed Super-Powered’ Commercial Airliner’. (One of these all very similar clones is clearly seen – one version of these clones has the ‘swept’ back wingtips used to discredit the video as fakery by some… Boeing 767-400ER E-10A) All early videos show the pod and the swept back wing – Recently, I’ve seen newer posts of truth videos in which the planes have neither.

Something that is fake can prove nothing, except that it is fake. It can not prove whether, how, or even if an actual event happened or not. Of course for this premise of ‘fake’ video proving anything one must also believe that during planning…

Someone says, since the plan is to use hijacked airliners, “Hey, let’s not use real planes. Let’s truck the plane parts in, crews to lay them out, people to say they saw planes, etc, et al, and just make some fake videos of planes going into the towers. Now, when we make these fake videos, instead of photoshopping in a commercial airliner with windows, we’ll photoshop in the plane needed to actually do it. Everybody high fives and says, ‘yeah, it’s just our lives on the line for treason.’ ”

Next day, the moron is no longer a threat… most likely scenario, taken out by their own family out of fear they’d all be taken out. It’s ludicrous on multiple levels.. Not just one.

The Ivy Flats Video, the testing of the first micro nuke, the Davy Crockett, is a perfect example of a camera that simply is too slow. Sure, cameras are a lot faster now, so have the travel speeds. They capture erratic images AT BEST when velocity exceeds capture speed images/PIXELS distort. Fact as clearly seen on the Ivy Flats video as soldiers move off train watch what happens to their legs. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nv_q8q6Z9_I

Fake video is only important if one NEEDS to disprove video evidence that a SUPER POWERED IRREGULAR SHAPED, NON WINDOWED ‘COMMERCIAL AIRLINER’ FLEW INTO THE WTCS – INDIRECTLY, without drawing attention to the fact a military aircraft flew into the WTCs. It’s still being done today by so called ‘truthers’. Did the ‘truther orgs’ say? The US government has been caught using its own planes to destroy the WTCs? No everything was silent and then came the need for the ‘fake video’ call.

No Windows in Flight 175 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRC4lCQuBmc&feature=related

Evaluation of Video Footage – for WTC comparisons…

http://911review.org/Wiki/Wtc2PlanePod.shtml

Photo: Boeing N256BA – E-10 MC2A http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3040/2351680318_dcaff7147e_z.jpg?zz=1

Related photos: http://www.spyflight.co.uk/767%20mc2a.htm

There are additional photos in original article ’9 11 Fake Video Stars: The JSTAR Clones. Why Covert Ops Must Have Fake Video 9-11 Fake Video Stars – The JSTAR Clones 10-1-10 Note, the little blue decal up front – one of the WTC witnesses claims to have seen one on the ‘plane that flew into..) BTW, eye witness testimony – the LEAST valuable information WITHOUT additional evidence. http://www.rense.com/general92/911fk.htm

F-4 Phantom at 500 mph into a solid concrete wall http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AB4IEa7jTJw

(Bullets Into Steel – Under pressure and friction metals tend to liquefy) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfFoMyMoiX4

The wall was 12 ft thick, THE PLANE WAS NOT FILLED WITH WATER, but the tanks were to simulate fuel.

“But there was a test similar to what is described above. In 1988, an
unmanned F-4 Phantom, ballasted with water and mounted on rails, was
“flown” into a concrete wall at 480 MPH. As reported, the plane crumpled,
and penetrated only about 2 inches of concrete. A very impressive test -
except it wasn’t meant to be a test of nuclear reactor safety. The wall
the F-4 crashed into was not a simulation of a nuclear plant’s wall. It
was a 12-foot-thick wall mounted on an air cushion. The test was designed to study impact forces by measuring how far the impact would push the wall. Breaking through the concrete was the last thing any of the involved scientists wanted to achieve. Furthermore, the F-4 was ballasted with water to give it the same weight as a plane fully loaded with fuel, and its final weight was 42,000 pounds. Needless to say, crashing a 412,000 pound 767 loaded with fuel into a fixed wall would have slightly different results.

Because according to a 1982 study by the Argonne National Laboratory in Illinois – a study which was conducted by request of the DOE and the NRC – the explosion from a 707 crashing into a containment dome at 466 MPH would probably overwhelm the reactor’s shielding. Note – that’s a 707, which weighs 336,000 pounds. In 1982 those were big jets. But we’ve “advanced” considerably since then. The 767s that were flown into the World Trade Center weighed 80,000 pounds more than that and carried a lot more fuel.

Other studies, again conducted for the NRC at the Lawrence Livermore
National Laboratory, found that a 125,000 pound jet had a 32 % chance of piercing a containment building’s six-foot base and an 84 % chance of
breaking through the dome.” http://everything2.com/user/DejaMorgana/writeups/Nuclear+Power

“A key report, Sugano et al 1992, covers a rocket sled crash experiment using an F-4D Phantom jet fighter impacting into a 10 foot thick reinforced concrete block.

Sandia notes:
The purpose of the test was to determine the impact force, versus time, due to the impact, of a complete F-4 Phantom — including both engines — onto a massive, essentially rigid reinforced concrete target (3.66 meters thick). Previous tests used F-4 engines at similar speeds. The test was not intended to demonstrate the performance (survivability) of any particular type of concrete structure to aircraft impact. The impact occurred at the nominal velocity of 215 meters per second (about 480 mph). The mass of the jet fuel was simulated by water; the effects of fire following such a collision was not a part of the test. The test established that the major impact force was from the engines. The test was performed by Sandia National Laboratories under terms of a contract with the Muto Institute of Structural Mechanics, Inc., of Tokyo.

With very minimal damage to the concrete target block, the plane and its engines were easily converted into small chunks of metal confetti and shrapnel at the physical interface of the two impact objects. Upon initial impact, the follow-on rear portions of the plane yet to make contact retained their shape integrity until their respective impact. (This seriously contradicts claims by Jean-Pierre Desmoulins that the wings of a 757 would have folded forward, as well as claims in the popular press that the wings folded back before entering the “too-small” hole.) The resulting shear caused debris being spread out to the left, right, and rear of the impact locus, having no ability to proceed in their original vector path, having grossly failed the test of strength with the concrete block. However, the wings are wider than the concrete block, so the wingtips are sheared off whole, and they tumble forward after being cleanly separated from the aircraft.

F4 aircraft impacting a solid concrete barrier. Note that the wings and tail do not fold as the nose impacts the concrete. (source: don’t bother moved -http://www.sandia.gov/media/NRgallery00-03.htm)

Sugano (in itself) doesn’t show that a 757 hitting the Pentagon would be turned into confetti and small chunks, but it does show that an F4 was completely destroyed in arguably similar circumstances. Furthermore, it wasn’t anywhere close to an even contest between the wall and the F4. The F4 started with a speed of 215 m/sec — and the tail was still traveling at 185 m/sec when it smashed into the wall. The F4 is a very strongly build aircraft, although at 18 meters long and 19 kg, it’s about a third the length and a fifth the weight of the 757. In terms of comparing what would happen to a 757 versus what happened to the F4, it would be difficult to do an accurate calculation without detailed design information on both aircraft. In a preliminary analysis, the extra length of the 757 means that it has three times the distance to decelerate — but the 757 is also much heavier, so it’s more difficult for the crushing process to supply enough force to decelerate even as rapidly as the F4 did.” http://www.911-strike.com/missing-confetti.htm The article from the ‘pentagon disinformation unit’ counters the information from the ‘WTC no planes disinformation unit’.

Ed Ward, MD – http://edwardmd.wordpress.com/ ;
https://www.facebook.com/EdWardMD3 ; http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EdWard-MD/messages

More US Drill Death in Waco Explosion – Drill Stops for Reality, Again http://edwardmd.wordpress.com/2013/04/28/more-us-drill-death-in-waco-drill-stops-for-reality-again/

Boston Marathon: The Finish Line For US Treason. Drill Death. Everything’s In Place For Police State. by Ed Ward, MD http://edwardmd.wordpress.com/2013/04/16/boston-marathon-the-finish-line-for-us-treason-drill-death-everything-is-in-place-for-police-state-by-ed-ward-md/

Pictures: US Boston Weapon – Both ‘Explosions’ – The Secret of the Pure Fusion Weapon – Li7 – Lithium 7 http://edwardmd.wordpress.com/2013/04/19/photograph-of-boston-fireball-2nd-explosion/

Dr. Ed Ward MD, AS, BS, MD – Reporting and investigating Constitutional abuses of the US government for almost 2 decades. AS, BS in Medical Technology – Minor in Organic Chemistry and Physics, volunteer during the Viet Nam war 6 years stateside active duty ‘med tech’ ‘US Air Farce’ – a decade experience in Medical Technology. MD degree from LSU, New Orleans – 2 decades in the field of General Practice. (My) Articles are also referenced by valid experts in their field.


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For you "no planers" there are other rational explanations other than the planted disinfo (to discredit questions on 911) that there were no planes.(1 image)

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#258. To: GreyLmist (#255)

I will gladly talk about the subject of No Planes if someone is sincerely interested in learning and conversing about it but not here in this acrid quagmire anymore.

Much has been made of wing tip vortices. Why? I don't know. Their relevance has never been explained, but evidently it is a key phenomenon.

I personally have gone out of my way in order to understand what the no-planers are talking about. It got me nowhere. And wasted effort tends to piss me off, hence my "acridity".

If you or other no-planers can't distill your ideas into a coherent, reasonably sized post, there is something wrong there. It should not take a book to do this. Just something like "Why I believe there were no planes that hit the towers", and then say WHY you believe this.

When it comes to slur slinging, that started from the no-planers, not me. I'm the one that stayed on topic.

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PSUSA2  posted on  2013-05-14   7:45:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#259. To: Original_Intent (#246)

To some degree the "no-planers" remind me of militant atheists. It is sort of a self righteous "how dare you believe differently" attitude.

They don't like people they can't lead by the nose.

Hell, you and I have had our spats. It's not personal. But they take it personally.

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PSUSA2  posted on  2013-05-14   10:09:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#260. To: PSUSA2 (#259)

It's not personal. But they take it personally.

I think it is rude for you to speak for other people's feelings. You don't know how they feel.

SilverStorm  posted on  2013-05-14   11:28:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#261. To: SilverStorm (#260)

Do you need a tissue?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-14   11:30:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#262. To: SilverStorm (#260)

I'm just going off of what they write.

Facts and feelings generally don't mix well.

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Can you demonstrate a single instance in history where incursion by niggers blacks has resulted in excellence, prosperity, or improvement owing to their presence, inventiveness, or disposition?

PSUSA2  posted on  2013-05-14   11:52:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#263. To: titorite, FormerLurker (#166)

confirming that titorite is rustyrale at LP and also registered here as rustyrale before using the titorite moniker.

christine  posted on  2013-05-14   12:58:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#264. To: christine (#263) (Edited)

confirming that titorite is rustyrale at LP and also registered here as rustyrale before using the titorite moniker.

I was getting him confused with a different but similar handle, rustynail. That person is nothing at all like "titorite".

In checking on LP, rustyrale signed on LP for one day of "fun", and it happened to be on April Fools Day a few years back.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-14   13:15:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#265. To: FormerLurker (#264)

In checking on LP, rustyrale signed on LP for one day of "fun",

Interesting. Some of the things he said, and some of the things he claims I've said, made me wonder if he's playing games here.

Not that it matters to me. I dont see his posts anymore.

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Can you demonstrate a single instance in history where incursion by niggers blacks has resulted in excellence, prosperity, or improvement owing to their presence, inventiveness, or disposition?

PSUSA2  posted on  2013-05-14   13:44:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#266. To: All, SKYDRIFTER (#249) (Edited)

some pretty good speculation about when this Porter Goss mini press conference actually took place:

1) Capitol Hill evacuation began as soon as 9:48 (see History Commons, 9:48 a.m. September 11, 2001: Capitol Building Evacuated due to Reports of Approaching Plane, but Evacuation Is Chaotic)
All sources report that the atmosphere at Capitol Hill after the Pentagon was hit was frantic, with congressmen, staffers, journalists and even tourists rushing to the streets around the House and the Capitol Police screaming very loudly to evacuate (see CNN transcripts, 9/11 2001). Also, it should be noted that the Capitol Police had had "word that an airplane is heading this way and could hit the building anytime." (Dana Bash quote on original page)

Question. Is such a frantic and chaotic scenario compatible with what we see in the footage? Is that apparently peaceful and uneventful setting (at least until the blast at 0:20 is heard) what you would expect to see at 10:10 AM? (edit-10:10AM is when the damaged section of the Pentagon collapsed)

2) Two tourists are clearly visible in Porter Goss' footage
Two young girls with a backpack are clearly visible during Porter Goss' interview. They show up on the left behind Porter Goss at around 0:07-0:08 (one is wearing glasses), then both show up again for some frames on his right (at around 0:10-0:11) before disappearing. No doubt they are tourists.

Question. Is it plausible that two young tourists would be still visiting the House at 10:10, apparently calmly and walking at their leisure, almost 25 minutes after the Capitol evacuation began and when the Capitol Police was frantically ordering people to leave the House because another plane was expected to hit the building within minutes?

3) A guard is clearly visible in the footage
A guard appears on the background for almost the whole lenght of the footage. He paces calmly and does not appear as someone who's nervously trying to evacuate hundreds of people due to an upcoming plane possibly hitting the building.

Question. Is the behavior of this guard compatible with the 10:10 expected scenario?

4) No smoke visible, no sirens audible
After 9:37 smoke was clearly visible from Capitol Hill. There are many reports about this, here are some:

QUOTE DANA BASH, CNN CONGRESSIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Good morning, Tony. And that's right, it was especially the attack on the Pentagon that immediately affected the people in the building, inside the Capitol, because the Pentagon is probably about two miles that way, behind the Capitol, and senators and staffers who were in meetings inside the Capitol could actually see the smoke billowing up from across the river at the Pentagon.

Question. While one could speculate that smoke is not visibile in Porter Goss' interview possibly due to the location of the interview (what can be easily proven as false, but let's forget about this detail for a moment), then why no sirens are audible during the clip as we would expect in a 10:10 AM scenario? Again, is the footage setting actually compatible with what we would expect to see and hear at Capitol Hill at 10:10?

All the above information and facts point to an earlier scenario than 10:10 AM, whereas 9:37 appears to me as the most probable.

So, which conflicting facts could possibly rule out a 9:37 scenario? The first is the Congressional Record of the House, from which we know that at 9:52 Goss was the House speaker pro tempore:(House record at webpage)

a) Please note that 9:52 is well 15 minutes after 9:37. What did prevent Goss to be outside of the building at 9:37 giving an interview and being two floors up inside the Capitol building at 9:52? There would have been all the time for him to do that.

b) Also, how can you explain that Goss and other people would gather just outside the building at 10:10 AM to give an interview when all people had long been evacuated and the word had spread that another plane could possibly hit the building? Is it plausible?

The second conflicting "fact" is the statement of Goss himself in the BBC documentary. In my opinion, his own statement does not prove that he was really inside the building at the time of the Pentagon attack. Along with the possibility he's lying (which I would not completely dismiss at all in the case of Porter Goss), I can also speculate that his recollections may be inaccurate or overlapping (for example he didn't associate the blast heard during the interview to the moment when the Pentagon was allegedly hit by Flight 77). While one could object that I am only speculating (which is basically true), I could reply that assuming Goss was giving an interview just outside the building at 10:10 AM in such an unplausible and unexpected setting in a location that had begun to be evacuated 25 minutes before under the upcoming threat of another plane hitting the building is probably a bigger and bolder speculation.

CONCLUSION

While no conclusive evidence of the flyover can in any case be drawn from the low pass jet noise we hear in the footage, facts and other sources do not rule out completely the possibility that Goss' interview took place at 9:37.

In fact, there are plenty of reasons to question that the footage scenario is compatible with what we would expect to see at 10:10 AM.

Full Version + More theories:

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/lofiversion/index.php?t21402.html

Aquila  posted on  2013-05-14   17:54:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#267. To: GreyLmist (#255)

I will gladly talk about the subject of No Planes if someone is sincerely interested in learning and conversing about it but not here in this acrid quagmire anymore.

Thank you, because I am sick of seeing it around here.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2013-05-14   18:14:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#268. To: FormerLurker, SilverStorm (#261)

Do you need a tissue?

LOL! You hurt me little feelings, bahhh, bahh bahh. I how dare you insert logic into this debate, can't you see the "invisible wings" reappearing at 19 seconds into the video? LOL!

And those wake vortexs, why didn't they follow that plane into the wall? LOL! For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction, they don't follow a plane, they move away from a plane in the opposite direction from the plane while decreasing in altitude until they dissipate. Yet they jump all over something they don't even understand and say this proves no planes at the towers when it only proves they are easily fooled.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2013-05-14   18:23:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#269. To: GreyLmist (#113)

Pyrotechnic pixie dust is what Steven Jones, Niels Harrit and others claim blew the towers down.

Are you now claiming that explosive devices do not exist and that they are the stuff of fairytales?

So again, where is your proof that NOTHING struck the WTC towers on the morning of 9/11/2001, contrary to what thousands of people witnessed who were outside watching the event live?

What sort of "pixie dust" created the aircraft shaped holes in each tower?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-14   19:15:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#270. To: RickyJ (#268)

And those wake vortexs, why didn't they follow that plane into the wall? LOL! For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction, they don't follow a plane, they move away from a plane in the opposite direction from the plane while decreasing in altitude until they dissipate. Yet they jump all over something they don't even understand and say this proves no planes at the towers when it only proves they are easily fooled.

Yep. Not one of them can even describe how the vortices are formed, what makes them "swirl", nor what sort of forces are at work..

Nor do they realize that if things were as they say (that these vortices have a mind of their own and actually FLY through the air at speeds similar to that of the jet which formed them), that airplanes would be flipped over by their own vortices once they slowed down to land. Flight would be impossible.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-14   19:25:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#271. To: FormerLurker (#270)

Nor do they realize that if things were as they say (that these vortices have a mind of their own and actually FLY through the air at speeds similar to that of the jet which formed them), that airplanes would be flipped over by their own vortices once they slowed down to land. Flight would be impossible.

That made me laugh. I never thought of it that way.

NOt just slowing down for landing, but slowing down for anything would have that effect.

Imagine how adventurous it would be to fly if that was the case. Planes would be disposable and everyone would need an ejector seat.

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PSUSA2  posted on  2013-05-14   19:36:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#272. To: titorite, PSUSA2 (#212)

The vortcies created by planes do indeed have a forward momentum. If they did not they could not be created in the first place. Forward is part of the spin in regards to the vortex.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wingtip_vortices

BTW, did you ever bother reading even the 1st sentence of the 1st link that you posted, or did you not understand the very clear wording of what is there?

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wi ki/Wingtip_vortices

Wingtip vortices are circular patterns of rotating air left behind a wing as it generates lift

Do you know what the words "LEFT BEHIND" mean? Do you not know that the word vortice (plural of the word vortex) is used to describe a circular flow? It does not mean a forward traveling flow, it means a ROTATING flow.

Try looking things up, and if necessary, have someone else read it to you...

Vortex


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-14   19:44:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#273. To: PSUSA2 (#271)

Imagine how adventurous it would be to fly if that was the case. Planes would be disposable and everyone would need an ejector seat.

If you could find anyone willing to fly knowing that they'd have to eject in order to get out.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-14   19:46:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#274. To: FormerLurker (#272)

titorite and wud were playing silly games. I got sick of it, and sick of them.

I dont bozo people I disagree with. but these 2 just weren't capable of any kind of intelligent discussion. I dont trust anything they say.

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Can you demonstrate a single instance in history where incursion by niggers blacks has resulted in excellence, prosperity, or improvement owing to their presence, inventiveness, or disposition?

PSUSA2  posted on  2013-05-14   19:50:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#275. To: PSUSA2 (#274) (Edited)

these 2 just weren't capable of any kind of intelligent discussion

I dont trust anything they say.

Neither do I. It's as if logic and reason are poison and they avoid it at all cost.

The insults, accusations, name calling, proclamations of "superior intelligence and knowledge", the "I have friends here, you don't" mentality, the victimhood, all of that crap really gets sickening very quickly, especially when it comes from someone who hasn't yet mastered 4th grade grammar and spelling.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-14   20:02:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#276. To: titorite (#212)

The vortcies created by planes do indeed have a forward momentum. If they did not they could not be created in the first place. Forward is part of the spin in regards to the vortex.

You might want to stop embarrassing yourself here.

Since you have shown no ability to grasp simple physics here are live video demonstrations of vortices for you.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2013-05-14   20:19:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#277. To: RickyJ (#276)

Since you have shown no ability to grasp simple physics here are live video demonstrations of vortices for you.

I'm sure he'll still insist they were "following" the plane... LOL


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-14   20:27:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#278. To: RickyJ (#276)

You might want to stop embarrassing yourself here.

Since you have shown no ability to grasp simple physics here are live video demonstrations of vortices for you.

This is one reason why I asked you to agree to disagree with me RickyJ.

Why are you taking the snarky tone with me?

Whats more, I am correct. I have a proper grasp on the aerodynamics involved and the laws of physics.

I find it shocking that so many just can not or will not understand some pretty basic shit...

I mean when you do facepalm your hand drags wind , that wind continues impacting the back of your hand for a few moments even though your hand stopped at your forehead.

The wings of a plane drag alot more wind and make awesome wake vortex. When a car is parked too close to a landing strip the wake vortex could pull it over and over end over end.

IGNORANCE BEGETS TYRANNY

Don't attack me, I can do a better job at it then you can, I know all my flaws and failures. Instead of focusing on me , why not prove where the observable wake vortex is in the fireballs.

Because that is all anyone has to do.

If it is real and there , point it out.

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titorite  posted on  2013-05-14   21:46:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#279. To: FormerLurker (#270)

Nor do they realize that if things were as they say (that these vortices have a mind of their own and actually FLY through the air at speeds similar to that of the jet which formed them), that airplanes would be flipped over by their own vortices once they slowed down to land. Flight would be impossible.

Your statement betrays your ignorance.

You obviously have not seen the dozens of dozens of hits one gets from a search engine on flipped planes due to wake vortex turbulence.

It happens.

Thats why air traffic control is there to help guide the planes and keep that from happening.

And you would already know all that if you had spent even an iota of attention and a moment of time researching some of this stuff for yourself... rather than refuting anything anyone has to say about it blindly and ignorantly.

....

For real tool, you should do a google first next time.

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titorite  posted on  2013-05-14   21:52:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#280. To: titorite, RickyJ (#278)

Whats more, I am correct. I have a proper grasp on the aerodynamics involved and the laws of physics.

I find it shocking that so many just can not or will not understand some pretty basic shit...

You DO seem to think very highly of yourself for some unknown reason, but that doesn't mean you're smart.

It simply means you really ARE quite dense.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-14   23:32:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#281. To: titorite (#279)

Your statement betrays your ignorance.

You obviously have not seen the dozens of dozens of hits one gets from a search engine on flipped planes due to wake vortex turbulence.

Hey Einstein, what part of IF "these vortices have a mind of their own and actually FLY through the air at speeds similar to that of the jet which formed them), that airplanes would be flipped over by their own vortices once they slowed down to land. Flight would be impossible. " do you fail to understand?

If a plane were to slow down to land, the vortices would catch up to the plane and flip it, right?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-14   23:34:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#282. To: titorite (#279)

And you would already know all that if you had spent even an iota of attention and a moment of time researching some of this stuff for yourself... rather than refuting anything anyone has to say about it blindly and ignorantly.

You really are a hoot. Are you practicing to be a comedian?

Or are you truly some sicko who projects exactly what he's doing at the moment onto others, and doesn't even realize he's doing it?

Have you ever sought help?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-14   23:40:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#283. To: titorite, RickyJ, PSUSA2 (#278)

The wings of a plane drag alot more wind and make awesome wake vortex

So they "drag wind", eh?

No. The wings PASS THROUGH AIR and cause differing air pressure between the stream of air going over the top of the wing and that passing under the wing.

The two streams of air pressure collide past the rear of the wing and create vortices due to the differing air pressures.

The vortices spin but do not move forward, and stop forming once there is no more airflow.

Stop embarassing yourself and look it up.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-14   23:58:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#284. To: FormerLurker (#283) (Edited)

LOL... Thats right cyber commando.

Wind drag is not a real thing, whatever you say.... LOL

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titorite  posted on  2013-05-15   0:03:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#285. To: titorite (#284) (Edited)

LOL... Thats right cyber commando.

Wind drag is not a real thing, whatever you say

A plane does not "drag wind", as you stated earlier. Wind is moving air.

Drag is experienced by the aircraft as it passes through air, but a plane does not drag air like a truck drags a trailer behind it.

Did that clear it up for you?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-15   1:06:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#286. To: titorite (#284)

BTW, did you go back and read what vortices are, or are you still putting that off?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-15   1:08:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#287. To: titorite (#284) (Edited)

Oh and BTW, drag is resistance to motion experienced by the aircraft due to the friction between it and the air that it is passing through, and that caused by the turbulance (leading to vortices in fact) formed by the differing air pressures passing over and under the wing creating lift.

Thought I'd clear that up for you too, in case you're interested.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-15   1:16:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#288. To: FormerLurker (#287) (Edited)

Disinformationanlists typically do this kind of three for one responding.

Oh And thank you for arguing against your previous point in post 283.

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titorite  posted on  2013-05-15   3:03:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#289. To: titorite (#288)

Disinformationanlists typically do this kind of three for one responding.

Uh huh. You should know all about what they do since you're one of them obviously. Some people think you're just a bat shit crazy dumb shit.

I think you're just pretending to be one.

Anyways, I had three different thoughts to post which you could independently respond to if you so chose, instead, you decided you're not going to respond to ANY with any degree of intelligence or effort, which is quite typical of a shill.

Oh And thank you for arguing against your previous point in post 283.

It's also obvious you can't tell the difference between what YOU claim, a plane "dragging wind", and a plane EXPERIENCING drag caused by movement through air.

Perhaps you should at least go try to get a GED, if you're capable, which is doubtful if you really ARE as stupid as you appear to be.

It's painfully apparent you have no idea what vortices are, what drag is, and are unable to perform the least demanding mental exercise such as picturing what would happen if what you said were true, that these vortices are chasing planes through the sky. You are seemingly incapable of following the thought of what would happen when the plane slowed down.

I know you can't understand the concept of lift and what creates it, and are absolutely ignorant of ANY laws of physics, although you love to toss buzz words around with no understanding whatsoever as to what they mean.

So what motivates you? Is it you just love to troll, or is there some sort of profit to be had?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-15   3:27:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#290. To: FormerLurker (#286)

BTW, did you go back and read what vortices are, or are you still putting that off?

They're experts. They don't need to read such things.

They have a thought. They think "if I thought it, it must be true"

Therefore, a link they post must have the same true information, so why bother reading it?

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PSUSA2  posted on  2013-05-15   7:28:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#291. To: PSUSA2 (#290)

They're experts. They don't need to read such things.

They have a thought. They think "if I thought it, it must be true"

How they ever gained a following is a mystery to me.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-15   13:00:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#292. To: Aquila (#219)

The video is quite clear that the Pentagon "event" happened much sooner than the jet noise.

There is no "viable" aircraft evidence at the Pentagon; there is overwhelming physical evidence that the purported 757 crash is 100% fake - to the last tangible detail.

SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2013-05-15   16:58:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#293. To: titorite, FormerLurker (#210)

The titboy is a coward! Obviously a very young one; radically over-impressed with himself.

I guess it does take all kinds.


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2013-05-15   17:04:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#294. To: FormerLurker (#21)

You and your brethen have the burden of PROVING that all the witnesses are liars, actors, scumballs, etc. including all of the thousands of bystanders, news crews, police, EMTs, firemen, families of the hijacked aircraft's victims, airport personnel, air traffic controllers, etc. etc.

There was enough testimony from firefighters and at least one maintenance worker that didn't fit. They were not subpoenaed and their video accounts have been completely ignored by officialdom.

The fact that the most heinous crime on American soil was not treated as crime, but was immediately entrained into a war agenda is enough reason to erect gallows. As those who know are marched out some will no doubt start talking to avoid delivery into Satan's waiting arms.

No one lost their job or was otherwise fingered for any dereliction of duty. And firefighters' remains were scooped up and delivered to a dump site to keep the project moving ahead.

We Americans have forfeited our right to honesty and truth in govt. Our indifference to that horror on 9/11 is the evidence of that.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2013-05-15   17:43:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#295. To: HOUNDDAWG (#294) (Edited)

I don't think you understand my point. It is quite obvious that 9/11 was an inside job, and it is ALSO quite obvious that the attacks were not the work of Hollywood nor some other studio fabricating live video coverage in real time.

The WTC towers WERE struck by aircraft, planes WERE hijacked that morning and most likely flown to clandestine locations, with the passengers and crew disposed of one way shape or form.

Military aircraft such as KC-767 tankers were most likely used to actually carry out the attacks, and that IS supported by more than a few witnesses who stated that the aircraft appeared to be military planes with no windows.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-15   17:48:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#296. To: HOUNDDAWG (#294)

If you're not aware of what the "no-planer" theory is all about, you may want to read the following link...

Saboteurs Attacking The 9/11 Truth Movement: The No-WTC-Planes/Video-Fakery/Energy-Beams Disinformation Gang


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-15   17:58:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#297. To: FormerLurker (#295)

I'm okay with that.

But, those of us in the five percentile cannot set things right when surrounded by cowardly collaborators, the ninety percentile who would rather jail us (as jurors) than accept the unpleasant truth about their govt. Given the choice between losing sleep after accepting the obvious or, labeling us as criminal fringe as the means of suppressing their nightmares which do you believe they'd choose?

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2013-05-15   18:03:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#298. To: FormerLurker (#296)

If you're not aware of what the "no-planer" theory is all about, you may want to read the following link...

Oh, but I am.

But it's just one of many pieces of evidence that were summarily buried to convert this criminal mass murder to a political tool for profit and power.

The fact that a plane supposedly wandered the friendly skies for over an hour without intercept (a first in US civil aviation history) is evidence of something terribly amiss.

So, there are countless reasons to stop, reset and begin again long before the planes allegedly struck. If we proceeded in an orderly manner with a proper criminal investigation the question about the planes would likely be answered before we ever reached the time of impact in the chronology of events.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2013-05-15   18:10:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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