4um: 9 11 Fake Video Stars: The J Star Clones – Why Covert Operation’s Cointel Must Have ‘Fake’ Video and ‘No Planes’

Title: 9 11 Fake Video Stars: The J Star Clones – Why Covert Operation’s Cointel Must Have ‘Fake’ Video and ‘No Planes’
Source: Ed Ward, MD's Blog: US Tyranny & Treason
URL Source: http://edwardmd.wordpress.com/
Published: May 5, 2013
Author: Ed Ward M.D.
Post Date: 2013-05-05 20:49:50 by Original_Intent
Keywords: planes, no-planes, 911, towers
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9 11 Fake Video Stars: The J Star Clones – Why Covert Operation’s Cointel Must Have ‘Fake’ Video and ‘No Planes’

9 11 Fake Video Stars: The J Star Clones - Why Covert Operation's Cointel Must Have 'Fake' Video

US Government Problem: Video of the planes needed to actually fly into the WTCs are readily available to the public.

US Government Solution: Promote the Videos as ‘fake’ based on ‘pixel’ BS – This solves the ‘evidence’ problem while never noting that the planes are NOT commercial airliners – which are not structurally capable of performing the tasks and look nothing like the photographic proof that commercial airliners are ‘not in the picture’ and US Government Military Planes are ‘in the picture’. Actually, an excellent scam premise when pumped out by the covert op truth troops.

Wingtips say B 767-400ERE-10A is THE CLONE USED to fly into the WTCs – Unless someone has a version that matches the video better.

The videos show that a Boeing 767-400ER E-10A was the supposed Super-Powered’ Commercial Airliner’. (One of these all very similar clones is clearly seen – one version of these clones has the ‘swept’ back wingtips used to discredit the video as fakery by some… Boeing 767-400ER E-10A) All early videos show the pod and the swept back wing – Recently, I’ve seen newer posts of truth videos in which the planes have neither.

Something that is fake can prove nothing, except that it is fake. It can not prove whether, how, or even if an actual event happened or not. Of course for this premise of ‘fake’ video proving anything one must also believe that during planning…

Someone says, since the plan is to use hijacked airliners, “Hey, let’s not use real planes. Let’s truck the plane parts in, crews to lay them out, people to say they saw planes, etc, et al, and just make some fake videos of planes going into the towers. Now, when we make these fake videos, instead of photoshopping in a commercial airliner with windows, we’ll photoshop in the plane needed to actually do it. Everybody high fives and says, ‘yeah, it’s just our lives on the line for treason.’ ”

Next day, the moron is no longer a threat… most likely scenario, taken out by their own family out of fear they’d all be taken out. It’s ludicrous on multiple levels.. Not just one.

The Ivy Flats Video, the testing of the first micro nuke, the Davy Crockett, is a perfect example of a camera that simply is too slow. Sure, cameras are a lot faster now, so have the travel speeds. They capture erratic images AT BEST when velocity exceeds capture speed images/PIXELS distort. Fact as clearly seen on the Ivy Flats video as soldiers move off train watch what happens to their legs. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nv_q8q6Z9_I

Fake video is only important if one NEEDS to disprove video evidence that a SUPER POWERED IRREGULAR SHAPED, NON WINDOWED ‘COMMERCIAL AIRLINER’ FLEW INTO THE WTCS – INDIRECTLY, without drawing attention to the fact a military aircraft flew into the WTCs. It’s still being done today by so called ‘truthers’. Did the ‘truther orgs’ say? The US government has been caught using its own planes to destroy the WTCs? No everything was silent and then came the need for the ‘fake video’ call.

No Windows in Flight 175 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRC4lCQuBmc&feature=related

Evaluation of Video Footage – for WTC comparisons…

http://911review.org/Wiki/Wtc2PlanePod.shtml

Photo: Boeing N256BA – E-10 MC2A http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3040/2351680318_dcaff7147e_z.jpg?zz=1

There are additional photos in original article ’9 11 Fake Video Stars: The JSTAR Clones. Why Covert Ops Must Have Fake Video 9-11 Fake Video Stars – The JSTAR Clones 10-1-10 Note, the little blue decal up front – one of the WTC witnesses claims to have seen one on the ‘plane that flew into..) BTW, eye witness testimony – the LEAST valuable information WITHOUT additional evidence. http://www.rense.com/general92/911fk.htm

F-4 Phantom at 500 mph into a solid concrete wall http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AB4IEa7jTJw

(Bullets Into Steel – Under pressure and friction metals tend to liquefy) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfFoMyMoiX4

The wall was 12 ft thick, THE PLANE WAS NOT FILLED WITH WATER, but the tanks were to simulate fuel.

“But there was a test similar to what is described above. In 1988, an
unmanned F-4 Phantom, ballasted with water and mounted on rails, was
“flown” into a concrete wall at 480 MPH. As reported, the plane crumpled,
and penetrated only about 2 inches of concrete. A very impressive test -
except it wasn’t meant to be a test of nuclear reactor safety. The wall
the F-4 crashed into was not a simulation of a nuclear plant’s wall. It
was a 12-foot-thick wall mounted on an air cushion. The test was designed to study impact forces by measuring how far the impact would push the wall. Breaking through the concrete was the last thing any of the involved scientists wanted to achieve. Furthermore, the F-4 was ballasted with water to give it the same weight as a plane fully loaded with fuel, and its final weight was 42,000 pounds. Needless to say, crashing a 412,000 pound 767 loaded with fuel into a fixed wall would have slightly different results.

Because according to a 1982 study by the Argonne National Laboratory in Illinois – a study which was conducted by request of the DOE and the NRC – the explosion from a 707 crashing into a containment dome at 466 MPH would probably overwhelm the reactor’s shielding. Note – that’s a 707, which weighs 336,000 pounds. In 1982 those were big jets. But we’ve “advanced” considerably since then. The 767s that were flown into the World Trade Center weighed 80,000 pounds more than that and carried a lot more fuel.

Other studies, again conducted for the NRC at the Lawrence Livermore
National Laboratory, found that a 125,000 pound jet had a 32 % chance of piercing a containment building’s six-foot base and an 84 % chance of
breaking through the dome.” http://everything2.com/user/DejaMorgana/writeups/Nuclear+Power

“A key report, Sugano et al 1992, covers a rocket sled crash experiment using an F-4D Phantom jet fighter impacting into a 10 foot thick reinforced concrete block.

Sandia notes:
The purpose of the test was to determine the impact force, versus time, due to the impact, of a complete F-4 Phantom — including both engines — onto a massive, essentially rigid reinforced concrete target (3.66 meters thick). Previous tests used F-4 engines at similar speeds. The test was not intended to demonstrate the performance (survivability) of any particular type of concrete structure to aircraft impact. The impact occurred at the nominal velocity of 215 meters per second (about 480 mph). The mass of the jet fuel was simulated by water; the effects of fire following such a collision was not a part of the test. The test established that the major impact force was from the engines. The test was performed by Sandia National Laboratories under terms of a contract with the Muto Institute of Structural Mechanics, Inc., of Tokyo.

With very minimal damage to the concrete target block, the plane and its engines were easily converted into small chunks of metal confetti and shrapnel at the physical interface of the two impact objects. Upon initial impact, the follow-on rear portions of the plane yet to make contact retained their shape integrity until their respective impact. (This seriously contradicts claims by Jean-Pierre Desmoulins that the wings of a 757 would have folded forward, as well as claims in the popular press that the wings folded back before entering the “too-small” hole.) The resulting shear caused debris being spread out to the left, right, and rear of the impact locus, having no ability to proceed in their original vector path, having grossly failed the test of strength with the concrete block. However, the wings are wider than the concrete block, so the wingtips are sheared off whole, and they tumble forward after being cleanly separated from the aircraft.

F4 aircraft impacting a solid concrete barrier. Note that the wings and tail do not fold as the nose impacts the concrete. (source: don’t bother moved -http://www.sandia.gov/media/NRgallery00-03.htm)

Sugano (in itself) doesn’t show that a 757 hitting the Pentagon would be turned into confetti and small chunks, but it does show that an F4 was completely destroyed in arguably similar circumstances. Furthermore, it wasn’t anywhere close to an even contest between the wall and the F4. The F4 started with a speed of 215 m/sec — and the tail was still traveling at 185 m/sec when it smashed into the wall. The F4 is a very strongly build aircraft, although at 18 meters long and 19 kg, it’s about a third the length and a fifth the weight of the 757. In terms of comparing what would happen to a 757 versus what happened to the F4, it would be difficult to do an accurate calculation without detailed design information on both aircraft. In a preliminary analysis, the extra length of the 757 means that it has three times the distance to decelerate — but the 757 is also much heavier, so it’s more difficult for the crushing process to supply enough force to decelerate even as rapidly as the F4 did.” http://www.911-strike.com/missing-confetti.htm The article from the ‘pentagon disinformation unit’ counters the information from the ‘WTC no planes disinformation unit’.

Ed Ward, MD – http://edwardmd.wordpress.com/ ;
https://www.facebook.com/EdWardMD3 ; http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EdWard-MD/messages

More US Drill Death in Waco Explosion – Drill Stops for Reality, Again http://edwardmd.wordpress.com/2013/04/28/more-us-drill-death-in-waco-drill-stops-for-reality-again/

Boston Marathon: The Finish Line For US Treason. Drill Death. Everything’s In Place For Police State. by Ed Ward, MD http://edwardmd.wordpress.com/2013/04/16/boston-marathon-the-finish-line-for-us-treason-drill-death-everything-is-in-place-for-police-state-by-ed-ward-md/

Pictures: US Boston Weapon – Both ‘Explosions’ – The Secret of the Pure Fusion Weapon – Li7 – Lithium 7 http://edwardmd.wordpress.com/2013/04/19/photograph-of-boston-fireball-2nd-explosion/

Dr. Ed Ward MD, AS, BS, MD – Reporting and investigating Constitutional abuses of the US government for almost 2 decades. AS, BS in Medical Technology – Minor in Organic Chemistry and Physics, volunteer during the Viet Nam war 6 years stateside active duty ‘med tech’ ‘US Air Farce’ – a decade experience in Medical Technology. MD degree from LSU, New Orleans – 2 decades in the field of General Practice. (My) Articles are also referenced by valid experts in their field.

For you "no planers" there are other rational explanations other than the planted disinfo (to discredit questions on 911) that there were no planes.(1 image)

if Remote tech was that good in 1984, just imagine how good it must have been in 2001

Most certainly. It IS the most likely scenario, due to it's relative simplicity and ease of implementation.

Being that more than a few of the alleged hijackers are alive to this day (or were just several years ago), we know THEY didn't fly those planes.

Throw in that the Air Traffic Controllers tracked the aircraft, and were subsequently put under a gag order that has not yet been lifted, and it builds a reasonably strong case against the "no-planes" disinfo plant.

As well William Rodriguez, who blew the whistle on bombs going off in the towers before the plane impact, nevertheless provides indirect confirmation of actual plane impacts as that is his reference in saying that there were explosions in the basement before impact. In short he noticed the impact and the shudder that went through the building.

just found incredible footage of plane hitting WTC from a different angle at 54:54:

The fact that so much is left to the imagination (in the absence of known forensic protocols and proper investigations) is not something I'm prepared to lay at the doorsteps of those who strive to fill in the blanks.

How can anyone accurately gauge the quality of others' opinions since all we've been fed is bullshit propaganda? The fact that numerous ongoing SEC and other criminal investigations were conveniently terminated as a result of bldg 7 is certainly enough to aggravate my neuroses. And, when speculating about the worst possible explanations involving govt conspiracies I simply apply DAWGGIE'S RAZOR: Pick out the most heinous and depraved from the list and we'd likely be shocked by the truth because decent folk are by their very natures precluded from attributing enough blame or evil to our overlords in rebellion.

To put it another way, we don't have souls black enough to intuit just how evil the 9/11 architects really are. This would also include weapons developed in secret and used that day because we the fleeced are the enemy....

So, if you're looking for a moderate and sensible ally to inject calm reflection when discussing the possibilities then I'm no good for that. I admit that I want to believe the worst about the shadowy men behind the curtain.

There are some pathologies so deviant that we can't hope to understand them. It's like trying to dig where murdering cannibals are coming from. Unless we share their impulses their motivations will remain mysteries to us.

While I agree that there is a lot that has been left open we do have a core of data that is, if not quantifiable in all cases, is of sufficient strength and corroboration from multiple data points as to legitimately demand a full and proper investigation (which we will not get with current corrupt regime) without going out on a limb and championing a theory that relies upon individual interpretation of a hand full of videos - some of which are very shaky.

I would agree that there is a strong likelihood that there was some sort of "exotic" technology used in controlling the collapse of the twin towers. However, the evidence is inconclusive, but the way the buildings crumbled into microfine dust suggests the use of either a sonic weapon or a Tesla derived scalar beam. However, if those exist they are so buried in secrecy not even CONgress would be allowed to have knowledge of their existence. However, there are a variety of leaks, innuendoes, and rumors which suggest that such technology does exist in the way above Top Secret world.

However, so far as the nuts and bolts of 911 are concerned we have more than enough solid data without risking our credibility on questionable data.

If dee pwane that flys threw da air disappears the wind stank following it dissappered toos

If the planes crashes the wind vortex the was following it follows it right into the crash.

Just like you can understand the safe guard put into the microchips and processing boards of the commercial aircraft top prevent reaching max speeds in low (improper) altitudes. That is because the mere act of high speed low altitude flight can shake apart a commercial air liner. It is an idiot proof. Just in case a passenger has to fly it , he wont be able to throttle to max speed at low altitude (ideally). The circuit board limitation was over come on all four planes.

Like how the remaining flights escaped radar so well despite being singled out in the sky ,after air traffic was grounded.

But if you wanna act like a stupid fucking monkey and shit on educational links offered and generally refuse every attempt to uplift you educationally while clinging to your ignorance like a small man of limited means ... fuck it. Can't save everybody.

Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) (It's a more positive message)

That is awfully rude. Lots people have been studying 9/11 since it's inception as a false flag operation.

My compliments on a linear, logical and well reasoned treatment of the primary rub here.

However, I'm inclined to grant latitude to theories that you may be reluctant to internalize, or to simply reject as lacking credibility. Under the circs (an open rebellion by our leaders and the mass murder of thousands) I cannot pass judgement on any offerings simply because, if our members can visualize it you can bet that the evil ones behind the obscene events of Sept. Eleventh have also. They may be working with tools that we can scarcely imagine such as reversed engineered alien technology which invalidate our understanding of physics, and those seemingly incredible offerings could be closer to the truth than we know.

Those horned demons approached this massive and ghastly undertaking with supreme confidence, as if they have the comedy team of Klaatu and Gort in reserve should we challenge their serial whoppers.

When pondering revolution we assume that conventional means will be employed by both factions, and that may not be the case. In short, just because I don't know how fake planes can be recorded doesn't automatically preclude that possibility. I defy anyone to show me the evidence to the contrary because we've let the bastards skate on the gruesome deaths they wrought on thousands of our fellow human beings. Bush and Condi playing the shy debutantes, refusing to testify unless they were not sworn, and the further condition that they would act as a tag team? And this after Bush unsuccessfully attempted to kill the commissions and then to seat Henry The Fixer as the chair?

I suppose I could ponder some of the out there theories and join you in your skepticism, but that would involve commencing the investigation somewhere in the murky middle. And, I'm holding out for a thorough airing of the evidence starting at the beginning.

For instance, did the premiums for the billion dollar (sic) insurance policies on the twins consume the monthly lease receipts? If so, why would any savvy real estate mogul do that unless he knew it was for only six months? I'm sure he leased them as a corporation thereby insulating his personal assets in the event of a massive earthquake that destroyed the buildings owned by the port authority.

And, what changes have been made to structural steel building codes since plane-proof towers crumbled into talc, with the steel broken into convenient 20 ft sections for hauling on flatbeds?

No, we can spend the first year just squeezing the weasel, and we may have the answers we need if we begin at the beginning and relentlessly pursue one lying bastard. When it's concluded we may have yet another resentful enemy agent whose hidden anger at the US "for our treatment of Israel" is finally offered as mitigation when sentenced. (like Pollard) That would leave every other player including Giuliani naked and possibly seeking asylum in a country with no extradition treaty. (Israel)

And once the threat of retaliation is absent our scientists and logicians may open the floodgates of truth and offer that which has been conspicuously missing for 12 years.

That doesn't mean every scatter brain with his own wild assed fairytale to spin is a "9/11 researcher", it only means that some people like to troll online forums and stir up trouble.

Now he's calling it a "wind vortex" instead of a wing vortex. Thing is he doesn't know the difference between air, wind, and has no clue as to what a vortex is.

Then he pretends he's a professor. Too bad he doesn't bother reading his own links, which state pretty much the opposite of what he's posting.

By golly you have done it! You have proven that there were no planes hitting the towers! Bravo!

There is no reverse in flight. Fucking BRILLIANT! You did it! Congratulations! You have single-handedly saved the republic! You're a hero!

There is no reverse in flight. Wow. It was so simple, right in front of my eyes the entire time, but it took an educated person like yourself to point it out to ignorant little ol' me.

Thank you! You are a credit to the human race. I shall sing your praises until the last breath on the day I die!

Can you demonstrate a single instance in history where incursion by ~~niggers~~ blacks has resulted in excellence, prosperity, or improvement owing to their presence, inventiveness, or disposition?

Too bad he can't figure out what would happen if he were right, that planes are constantly being chased by these vortices.

It's beyond his comprehension what would happen once a plane were to slow down, that if there were a high speed stream of air (his superduper wind vortex or whatever he's currently naming them) traveling as fast as the plane HAD been traveling prior to slowing down, the vortex would catch up with the plane and flip it around like a rag doll.

It really isn't all that complicted. Those who control world banks and governments, who wish to literally take over the world, eliminating a bunch of "useless eaters" and using the rest as slave labor, have NO qualms murdering 3000 people.

They instigated wars of profit and adventure which have killed millions and maimed more.

Many of those killed and maimed are civilians; men, women, and children who were going about their daily routine till they came upon a checkpoint manned by a bunch of trigger happy punks who have no qualms blowing their heads off for sport, or were having dinner in their home while some "brave" lad sitting in Nevada was playing with a video game type console which unfortunately controlled a Predator drone armed with Hellfire missiles.

9-11 is loaded with illogical 'stuff.' Examining the impossible and extremely improbable is the core approach to the truth.

Because that is EXACTLY what happens, these Vortices's ARE constantly following planes.

They can not follow one another to close or else a plane will get swept up in the wake vortex.

Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) (It's a more positive message)

Can you demonstrate a single instance in history where incursion by ~~niggers~~ blacks has resulted in excellence, prosperity, or improvement owing to their presence, inventiveness, or disposition?

Because that is EXACTLY what happens, these Vortices's ARE constantly following planes.

Are you here to prove exactly how stupid you are? Are you too lazy to even peek at the link you posted from Wiki concerning wing vortices, or to look at the one I posted for you describing what a vortex is?

They can not follow one another to close or else a plane will get swept up in the wake vortex.

What part of they don't chase the planes because they have no forward velocity don't you understand? Sure they exist, nobody is disputing that. They DO NOT travel forward however, and if you had any intelligence at all you'd understand why.

Huh? Are you now saying people didn't die in those towers on 9/11? Are you going to tie 9/11 in with the Holocaust now?

Do you? The real issue on that subject isn't titorite and whether he believes correctly or not about it. That's like a smoke obscurant tactic for the real question: Would the smoke from the buildings have reached the point where the vortices might still be present outside the burning buildings -- not just at the WTC but at the Pentagon too -- or would the vortex trails have dissipated/been dispersed completely by the explosions before then? If the smoke reached a point where the vortices should still be present for some minutes or however long, smoke swirl would have been noticeable, I would think.

I generally don't discuss that aspect of 9/11 investigations because that's about all I know about it, basically, other than that the jet stream over the highway at the Pentagon would likely have flipped some vehicles [in the official scenario] but didn't. I'm not posting this to discuss planes vs. no planes here with raging plane-gatekeepers. Just wanted to try and bring the vortices issue into clearer focus.

"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

He's the one who brought it up in post 1 of this thread, and he's the one who gets all sloppy rude when people try to help him out with actual info on vortices.

Would the smoke from the buildings have reached the point where the vortices might still be present outside the burning buildings -- not just at the WTC but at the Pentagon too -- or would the vortices trail have dissipated/been dispersed completely by the explosions before then?

Let's forget about the Pentagon for the purpose of this discussion, since for one there is no ACTUAL video of the aircraft striking the Pentagon in the public domain, if any exists at all.

As far as the WTC, I am not aware of any videos of the 2nd crash which display smoke in the direction of the approach, at least not immediately after the crash.

Vortices stop forming once air stops moving over the wings, and their persistance depends on many factors, some of which are temperature, air pressure, and resistance to airflow caused by the environment such as adjacent buildings. I would also think the explosive force of the fireballs would have pushed air outwards towards the vortices thus causing them to breakup.

I won't pretend to have the equations in hand to calculate how long they would have persisted, but I would logically assume that they would dissipate within several minutes at most.

But that's all besides the point GL. Not only would it be virtually impossible to produce an ongoing live action video with inserted fabricated events in real time, but the people on the ground and watching it unfold live would have noticed that what they were seeing was not what was being broadcast around the world as actual live footage.

I'm not a "raging plane gatekeeper". The only ones raging are some of the the no-planers.

All I am saying is that those that claim no planes hit the towers, they better explain it better than has been "explained" here on this thread. There have been NO explanations of this; just assertions. Assertions without proof are nothing but crap.

Watch the vids of the 2nd impact. The flame and debris exited from the side of the building opposite the impact. So, how would any vortex affect this? The only way it could is if the vortex carried clear thru the building and out the other side where the smoke and flames were located. This idea seems to be a key point in the no-planers ideas on what happened. It has been stated here that the vortices continue to travel FORWARD independently of a planes motion (or the lack of motion). I call bullshit on this. This requires proof, not assertions.

Can you demonstrate a single instance in history where incursion by ~~niggers~~ blacks has resulted in excellence, prosperity, or improvement owing to their presence, inventiveness, or disposition?

Well troll, it's most obvious you aren't interested in clearing anything up, rather you are here to obscure things and muddy the waters.

"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

So now you're resorting to your tried and proven technique of attacking a person's character rather than address the logical and factual response I just replied to you with, right?

As far as wud, are you his wife? I think he can speak for himself here, and you need not chastise me for responding to him in kind after his rather snarky comment towards me.

You and your crew really do behave like drama queens, crying like rape victims after kicking someone in the nuts for no reason.

Rather than clutter the board with a rearguing from the beginning, there are several long 4um threads on 9/11, soon before the Sandy Hook controversy, that have much explanatory info and evidence presented by no planers. One is a video playlist by me titled "9-11 Anthology - No Planes and Media Fakery Research +", if you'd rather not do a lot of tedious reading.

The vortices aspect is not a key point with most no planers, afaik. I'm not concerned about whether or not they travel forward. My concern is whether or not the smoke reached the point where traces of the vortices might still be lingering outside of the buildings.

"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

Yep. They love drama. And where there is no drama, they'll create it out of nothing. They behave like little girls.

Can you demonstrate a single instance in history where incursion by ~~niggers~~ blacks has resulted in excellence, prosperity, or improvement owing to their presence, inventiveness, or disposition?

I dont care about other threads. They're probably as screwed up as this one is. It shouldn't take that much effort to present your case. Or someone present their case, not just you. Although you seem to be a little more reasonable than a couple of others here.

Can you demonstrate a single instance in history where incursion by ~~niggers~~ blacks has resulted in excellence, prosperity, or improvement owing to their presence, inventiveness, or disposition?

Strike two, FL. Three strikes and I think we can be sure that you're not really interested in clearer focus on the vortices issue. No, I am not his wife. Why don't you and your crew quit degrading no planers if you don't want to be critically critiqued? Why do you seem to think that only planers can converse together permissably about their opponents and as derogatorily as they want to? Like I noted at Post #113: The point that personalized attacks were blatantly inserted into this thread was your post at #21, FL.

"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

They are focused on discrediting those who disagree with the official 9/11 fairytale and who post legitimate facts and scientific proofs concerning the events of that day.

They also spew whatever is flowing out of Jim Fetzers bowels at that point in time.

Wow, just wow. YOU divert the thread into mudslinging with the help of your little partner, and even AFTER I remind you that I responded to your post in a polite and factual manner, which you ignored, you continue to accuse ME of what you are yourself guilty of.

Another master of projection. I suppose that's part of what being a "no-planer" is all about isn't it.

Have a "partner" sling mud or make snide comments, then when said person is called on his behavior, you act the part of the victim, get all indignant, and claim that PROVES that you were right all along.

No wonder people view "no-planers" as a bunch of whackjobs, it's because you ARE.

It's readily apparent you aren't here to "discuss" ANYTHING, you are here to act like a huge drama queen. Are you going to act like an adult, stay out of other people's affairs, and have a polite conversation, or are you just here to provoke people and sling mud?