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Title: 9 11 Fake Video Stars: The J Star Clones – Why Covert Operation’s Cointel Must Have ‘Fake’ Video and ‘No Planes’
Source: Ed Ward, MD's Blog: US Tyranny & Treason
URL Source: http://edwardmd.wordpress.com/
Published: May 5, 2013
Author: Ed Ward M.D.
Post Date: 2013-05-05 20:49:50 by Original_Intent
Keywords: planes, no-planes, 911, towers
Views: 28246
Comments: 451

9 11 Fake Video Stars: The J Star Clones – Why Covert Operation’s Cointel Must Have ‘Fake’ Video and ‘No Planes’

9 11 Fake Video Stars: The J Star Clones - Why Covert Operation's Cointel Must Have 'Fake' Video

US Government Problem: Video of the planes needed to actually fly into the WTCs are readily available to the public.

US Government Solution: Promote the Videos as ‘fake’ based on ‘pixel’ BS – This solves the ‘evidence’ problem while never noting that the planes are NOT commercial airliners – which are not structurally capable of performing the tasks and look nothing like the photographic proof that commercial airliners are ‘not in the picture’ and US Government Military Planes are ‘in the picture’. Actually, an excellent scam premise when pumped out by the covert op truth troops.

Wingtips say B 767-400ERE-10A is THE CLONE USED to fly into the WTCs – Unless someone has a version that matches the video better.

The videos show that a Boeing 767-400ER E-10A was the supposed Super-Powered’ Commercial Airliner’. (One of these all very similar clones is clearly seen – one version of these clones has the ‘swept’ back wingtips used to discredit the video as fakery by some… Boeing 767-400ER E-10A) All early videos show the pod and the swept back wing – Recently, I’ve seen newer posts of truth videos in which the planes have neither.

Something that is fake can prove nothing, except that it is fake. It can not prove whether, how, or even if an actual event happened or not. Of course for this premise of ‘fake’ video proving anything one must also believe that during planning…

Someone says, since the plan is to use hijacked airliners, “Hey, let’s not use real planes. Let’s truck the plane parts in, crews to lay them out, people to say they saw planes, etc, et al, and just make some fake videos of planes going into the towers. Now, when we make these fake videos, instead of photoshopping in a commercial airliner with windows, we’ll photoshop in the plane needed to actually do it. Everybody high fives and says, ‘yeah, it’s just our lives on the line for treason.’ ”

Next day, the moron is no longer a threat… most likely scenario, taken out by their own family out of fear they’d all be taken out. It’s ludicrous on multiple levels.. Not just one.

The Ivy Flats Video, the testing of the first micro nuke, the Davy Crockett, is a perfect example of a camera that simply is too slow. Sure, cameras are a lot faster now, so have the travel speeds. They capture erratic images AT BEST when velocity exceeds capture speed images/PIXELS distort. Fact as clearly seen on the Ivy Flats video as soldiers move off train watch what happens to their legs. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nv_q8q6Z9_I

Fake video is only important if one NEEDS to disprove video evidence that a SUPER POWERED IRREGULAR SHAPED, NON WINDOWED ‘COMMERCIAL AIRLINER’ FLEW INTO THE WTCS – INDIRECTLY, without drawing attention to the fact a military aircraft flew into the WTCs. It’s still being done today by so called ‘truthers’. Did the ‘truther orgs’ say? The US government has been caught using its own planes to destroy the WTCs? No everything was silent and then came the need for the ‘fake video’ call.

No Windows in Flight 175 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRC4lCQuBmc&feature=related

Evaluation of Video Footage – for WTC comparisons…

http://911review.org/Wiki/Wtc2PlanePod.shtml

Photo: Boeing N256BA – E-10 MC2A http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3040/2351680318_dcaff7147e_z.jpg?zz=1

Related photos: http://www.spyflight.co.uk/767%20mc2a.htm

There are additional photos in original article ’9 11 Fake Video Stars: The JSTAR Clones. Why Covert Ops Must Have Fake Video 9-11 Fake Video Stars – The JSTAR Clones 10-1-10 Note, the little blue decal up front – one of the WTC witnesses claims to have seen one on the ‘plane that flew into..) BTW, eye witness testimony – the LEAST valuable information WITHOUT additional evidence. http://www.rense.com/general92/911fk.htm

F-4 Phantom at 500 mph into a solid concrete wall http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AB4IEa7jTJw

(Bullets Into Steel – Under pressure and friction metals tend to liquefy) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfFoMyMoiX4

The wall was 12 ft thick, THE PLANE WAS NOT FILLED WITH WATER, but the tanks were to simulate fuel.

“But there was a test similar to what is described above. In 1988, an
unmanned F-4 Phantom, ballasted with water and mounted on rails, was
“flown” into a concrete wall at 480 MPH. As reported, the plane crumpled,
and penetrated only about 2 inches of concrete. A very impressive test -
except it wasn’t meant to be a test of nuclear reactor safety. The wall
the F-4 crashed into was not a simulation of a nuclear plant’s wall. It
was a 12-foot-thick wall mounted on an air cushion. The test was designed to study impact forces by measuring how far the impact would push the wall. Breaking through the concrete was the last thing any of the involved scientists wanted to achieve. Furthermore, the F-4 was ballasted with water to give it the same weight as a plane fully loaded with fuel, and its final weight was 42,000 pounds. Needless to say, crashing a 412,000 pound 767 loaded with fuel into a fixed wall would have slightly different results.

Because according to a 1982 study by the Argonne National Laboratory in Illinois – a study which was conducted by request of the DOE and the NRC – the explosion from a 707 crashing into a containment dome at 466 MPH would probably overwhelm the reactor’s shielding. Note – that’s a 707, which weighs 336,000 pounds. In 1982 those were big jets. But we’ve “advanced” considerably since then. The 767s that were flown into the World Trade Center weighed 80,000 pounds more than that and carried a lot more fuel.

Other studies, again conducted for the NRC at the Lawrence Livermore
National Laboratory, found that a 125,000 pound jet had a 32 % chance of piercing a containment building’s six-foot base and an 84 % chance of
breaking through the dome.” http://everything2.com/user/DejaMorgana/writeups/Nuclear+Power

“A key report, Sugano et al 1992, covers a rocket sled crash experiment using an F-4D Phantom jet fighter impacting into a 10 foot thick reinforced concrete block.

Sandia notes:
The purpose of the test was to determine the impact force, versus time, due to the impact, of a complete F-4 Phantom — including both engines — onto a massive, essentially rigid reinforced concrete target (3.66 meters thick). Previous tests used F-4 engines at similar speeds. The test was not intended to demonstrate the performance (survivability) of any particular type of concrete structure to aircraft impact. The impact occurred at the nominal velocity of 215 meters per second (about 480 mph). The mass of the jet fuel was simulated by water; the effects of fire following such a collision was not a part of the test. The test established that the major impact force was from the engines. The test was performed by Sandia National Laboratories under terms of a contract with the Muto Institute of Structural Mechanics, Inc., of Tokyo.

With very minimal damage to the concrete target block, the plane and its engines were easily converted into small chunks of metal confetti and shrapnel at the physical interface of the two impact objects. Upon initial impact, the follow-on rear portions of the plane yet to make contact retained their shape integrity until their respective impact. (This seriously contradicts claims by Jean-Pierre Desmoulins that the wings of a 757 would have folded forward, as well as claims in the popular press that the wings folded back before entering the “too-small” hole.) The resulting shear caused debris being spread out to the left, right, and rear of the impact locus, having no ability to proceed in their original vector path, having grossly failed the test of strength with the concrete block. However, the wings are wider than the concrete block, so the wingtips are sheared off whole, and they tumble forward after being cleanly separated from the aircraft.

F4 aircraft impacting a solid concrete barrier. Note that the wings and tail do not fold as the nose impacts the concrete. (source: don’t bother moved -http://www.sandia.gov/media/NRgallery00-03.htm)

Sugano (in itself) doesn’t show that a 757 hitting the Pentagon would be turned into confetti and small chunks, but it does show that an F4 was completely destroyed in arguably similar circumstances. Furthermore, it wasn’t anywhere close to an even contest between the wall and the F4. The F4 started with a speed of 215 m/sec — and the tail was still traveling at 185 m/sec when it smashed into the wall. The F4 is a very strongly build aircraft, although at 18 meters long and 19 kg, it’s about a third the length and a fifth the weight of the 757. In terms of comparing what would happen to a 757 versus what happened to the F4, it would be difficult to do an accurate calculation without detailed design information on both aircraft. In a preliminary analysis, the extra length of the 757 means that it has three times the distance to decelerate — but the 757 is also much heavier, so it’s more difficult for the crushing process to supply enough force to decelerate even as rapidly as the F4 did.” http://www.911-strike.com/missing-confetti.htm The article from the ‘pentagon disinformation unit’ counters the information from the ‘WTC no planes disinformation unit’.

Ed Ward, MD – http://edwardmd.wordpress.com/ ;
https://www.facebook.com/EdWardMD3 ; http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EdWard-MD/messages

More US Drill Death in Waco Explosion – Drill Stops for Reality, Again http://edwardmd.wordpress.com/2013/04/28/more-us-drill-death-in-waco-drill-stops-for-reality-again/

Boston Marathon: The Finish Line For US Treason. Drill Death. Everything’s In Place For Police State. by Ed Ward, MD http://edwardmd.wordpress.com/2013/04/16/boston-marathon-the-finish-line-for-us-treason-drill-death-everything-is-in-place-for-police-state-by-ed-ward-md/

Pictures: US Boston Weapon – Both ‘Explosions’ – The Secret of the Pure Fusion Weapon – Li7 – Lithium 7 http://edwardmd.wordpress.com/2013/04/19/photograph-of-boston-fireball-2nd-explosion/

Dr. Ed Ward MD, AS, BS, MD – Reporting and investigating Constitutional abuses of the US government for almost 2 decades. AS, BS in Medical Technology – Minor in Organic Chemistry and Physics, volunteer during the Viet Nam war 6 years stateside active duty ‘med tech’ ‘US Air Farce’ – a decade experience in Medical Technology. MD degree from LSU, New Orleans – 2 decades in the field of General Practice. (My) Articles are also referenced by valid experts in their field.


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#85. To: Original_Intent (#0)

Why is this bullshit being re-hashed? The only significant official truth about 9- 11 is that two 767s hit the towers.

SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2013-05-12   0:23:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: SKYDRIFTER (#85)

Why is this bullshit being re-hashed? The only significant official truth about 9- 11 is that two 767s hit the towers.

Wanna explain how they did that with out any trace of wake vortex following them into and through the smoke?

Basic laws of aerodynamics.....

Ignorance begets tyranny.

titorite  posted on  2013-05-12   0:30:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: titorite (#86)

Wanna explain how they did that with out any trace of wake vortex following them into and through the smoke?

Show where the 2nd plane flew thru any smoke.

PSUSA2  posted on  2013-05-12   7:25:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: PSUSA2 (#99)

Wake vortex follows the plane Pusa.

The Planes are not the point of focus. The vortex of wind the is made by the wings splice through the air creating uneven currents of air pressure is the focus.

The wake.

Planes slam into buildings creating explosion, fire, smoke, yada yada.

Just like the wake of a boat that scuttles into land it did not just dissappear. The wake should be visible on all cameras on all film footage.

The text book "swirl" that makes all those con/chemtrails spiraled. ... It should be clearly evident in the smoke and explosions of the days event.

If you know about it then you get nagged by the question.

The more you know the less of a hold tyranny has on you.

Ignorance begets tyranny. I had to learn alot all about this. Now that I have learned stuff I share what I have learned that so that others will be free from the ignorance.

Or at least I try.

titorite  posted on  2013-05-12   7:36:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: titorite (#100) (Edited)

You didn't answer my question.

In order for there to be any visible "swirl" caused by wingtip vortices, it must fly thru a medium such as smoke.

Show where the 2nd plane flew thru smoke.

PSUSA2  posted on  2013-05-12   7:42:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: PSUSA2 (#101)

No no no....

First of all the effect is present whether smoke is there or not... Smoke does not make the vortex.

Flying does.

You know the birds that fly in a V formation... you can't see their lift but you know why they fly in a V. (Right?)

You are correct about me explaining the thing with out showing you a picture.

I can not show you a picture because their isn't one. That is my problem.

Their should be lots of examples of the wake Vortex slamming into the fireball explosion and subsequent smoke.

The fireball should swirled like an airplane crash... not bloosomed like a typical ordinance explosion.

titorite  posted on  2013-05-12   7:47:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: titorite (#102)

First of all the effect is present whether smoke is there or not... Smoke does not make the vortex.

Yes I know.

Are you saying that the wingtip vortices continue moving forward after the plane crashes?

It's caused by movement. When movement stops, vortices stop. Do you dispute that? It sounds like you do.

PSUSA2  posted on  2013-05-12   7:53:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: PSUSA2 (#104)

Ok... follow me here like the wake vortex follows a plane.

As a plane flys it is creating a votex of air current that follows it.

It crashed. No new vortex is created. The vortex behind it does not stop existing though... No it follows the direction of forward and outward as it was created until dissipation.... which can take several minutes.

The wind wake should of blasted into those explosions.

I can not show you a picture of this.

That is the problem.

titorite  posted on  2013-05-12   7:58:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: titorite (#105) (Edited)

It crashed. No new vortex is created. The vortex behind it does not stop existing though... No it follows the direction of forward and outward as it was created until dissipation.... which can take several minutes.

Yes. It is BEHIND the plane, not in front.

You seem to have a problem with there being no vortex effects in FRONT of the plane after it hits the towers.

Quote:

"Their should be lots of examples of the wake Vortex slamming into the fireball explosion and subsequent smoke. "

The fireball was on the other side of the building after it crashed thru it. That's on video.

Quote:

"The text book "swirl" that makes all those con/chemtrails spiraled. ... It should be clearly evident in the smoke and explosions of the days event. "

No, because that is BEHIND the plane. Why would it be visible?

PSUSA2  posted on  2013-05-12   8:13:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: PSUSA2 (#107)

No, because that is BEHIND the plane.

Yes behind. It follows the plane.

If the plane crashes into towers then the vortex crashes into the towers too.

Unlike the plane, the vortex effect reforms and continues spinning forward and outward ... until it dissipates.

The explosion and subsequent smoke should of shown off the wake vortex effects typical of any winged aircraft (choppers included).

The effect should be able to be pointed out in the numerous photos and videos.

Should should should.

The tyranny relies on ignorance to oppress us.

This debate may not matter in the larger scheme of things.

I was just pointing this shit out because you gave me the post nod about it several posts back. If I can not educate you proper to all the details then I guess I am not a super duper teacher. Lord knows I had to learn all this shit myself.

Regardless of any of this it is like I said with the boats... you know a wake follows a boat. That boat scuttles aground and the wake is still, flowing outwards in the water, there while your cussing lifes little events. The wake vortex should of slammed into the fireball and swirled the smoke.

And this is just the planes we are speaking too.

We have not even touched on all the dare devil helicopters that never seem to affect burning towers smoke.

titorite  posted on  2013-05-12   8:25:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: titorite (#108) (Edited)

Unlike the plane, the vortex effect reforms and continues spinning forward and outward ... until it dissipates.

Show me where the vortex continues forward after forward movement of the airplane stops. Dont just make the allegation. If you want to prove something, if you want to convince others, then use proof.

Since the vortex is created by movement, then when movement stops, the vortex is no longer being created. What you are saying is that the vortex continues to be created and travels forward after forward movement of the airplane stops.

PSUSA2  posted on  2013-05-12   8:41:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: PSUSA2 (#109) (Edited)

Show me where the vortex continues forward after forward movement of the airplane stops. Dont just make the allegation. If you want to prove something, if you want to convince others, then use proof.

Since the vortex is created by movement, then when movement stops, the vortex is no longer being created. What you are saying is that the vortex continues to be created and travels forward after forward movement of the airplane stops.

It is not an allegation Pusa.

The laws of physics are there regardless of what we say or think.

And I keep using the example of a boat wake because i am hopefull you have seen more water in your life... I am hopefull my example is relateable.

A boat speeds through the water... it makes a wake... it crashes on land and stops. The wake it made in the water continues to crash on the banks.

When a plane begins to make a wake vortex it takes awhile for the effect to dissipate.

Just like the boat.

titorite  posted on  2013-05-12   8:52:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#111. To: titorite (#110) (Edited)

Your boat analogy doesn't cut it.

www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/k-12/airplane/downwash.html

www.flywestwind.com/wtc/pprograms/turbulance.htm

Boats do not have wings. Wings are necessary in order to generate wingtip vortices. Airplanes do not fly on water.

I believe you are saying these things because you believe it all sounds right to you.

PSUSA2  posted on  2013-05-12   9:06:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#202. To: PSUSA2 (#111)

Your boat analogy doesn't cut it.

http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/k-12/airplane/downwash.html

http://www.flywestwind.com/wtc/pprograms/turbulance.htm

Boats do not have wings. Wings are necessary in order to generate wingtip vortices. Airplanes do not fly on water.

I believe you are saying these things because you believe it all sounds right to you.

Yes it does, the boat analogy is perfect for the wake can physically be seen on the surface of the water whereas it is much harder to spot it in atmosphere.

from another site that is not affiliated with the disinfo agents (USofA) ;)

Wake Vortex Turbulence Categories: Wake Vortex Turbulence | Operational Issues

Definition

Wake Vortex Turbulence is defined as turbulence which is generated by the passage of an aircraft in flight. It will be generated from the point when the nose landing gear of an aircraft leaves the ground on take off and will cease to be generated when the nose landing gear touches the ground during landing. Where another aircraft encounters such turbulence, a Wake Vortex Encounter (WVE) is said to have occurred.

Description

Potentially hazardous turbulence in the wake of an aircraft in flight is principally caused by wing tip vortices. This type of turbulence is significant because wing tip vortices decay quite slowly and can produce a significant rotational influence on an aircraft encountering them for several minutes after they have been generated. Jet Efflux and Prop Wash can also hazard the control of an aircraft both on the ground and in the air but, whilst these effects are often extreme, their effects are more short-lived.

www.skybrary.aero/index.php/Wake_Vortex_Turbulence

It is not because a plane suddenly stop flying, in this case "crashed" into a building, that the wake vortex turbulence stops automatically, it continues until the momentum it gained is lost.

Kanuck education system is flawed but not enough that we are not taught this in depth when in college attending physics class.

Sheesh you guys, Is this common sense trying to prevail over science or science used to prevail over common sense...

This is why planes cannot take off one after the other, they have to wait for the vortex to dissipate in order to take off safely when taking off on the same runway.

SilverStorm  posted on  2013-05-13   0:57:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#211. To: SilverStorm (#202)

It is not because a plane suddenly stop flying, in this case "crashed" into a building, that the wake vortex turbulence stops automatically, it continues until the momentum it gained is lost.

It doesn't retain forward momentum after a crash because there is no forward momentum.

Everyone with an interest in aviation knows that these vortices can last for a period of time. No one is arguing that point.

Now what does all this have to do with "no planes"?

PSUSA2  posted on  2013-05-13   7:30:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#212. To: PSUSA2 (#211) (Edited)

You do know that you can stand to learn more about this subject PUSA?

The vortcies created by planes do indeed have a forward momentum. If they did not they could not be created in the first place. Forward is part of the spin in regards to the vortex.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wingtip_vortices

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dra...ynamics%29#Vortex_surfing

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lifting-line_theory

just saying.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wake

That link has both water and air wakes to learn about ;)

titorite  posted on  2013-05-13   8:21:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#276. To: titorite (#212)

The vortcies created by planes do indeed have a forward momentum. If they did not they could not be created in the first place. Forward is part of the spin in regards to the vortex.

You might want to stop embarrassing yourself here.

Since you have shown no ability to grasp simple physics here are live video demonstrations of vortices for you.

RickyJ  posted on  2013-05-14   20:19:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#278. To: RickyJ (#276)

You might want to stop embarrassing yourself here.

Since you have shown no ability to grasp simple physics here are live video demonstrations of vortices for you.

This is one reason why I asked you to agree to disagree with me RickyJ.

Why are you taking the snarky tone with me?

Whats more, I am correct. I have a proper grasp on the aerodynamics involved and the laws of physics.

I find it shocking that so many just can not or will not understand some pretty basic shit...

I mean when you do facepalm your hand drags wind , that wind continues impacting the back of your hand for a few moments even though your hand stopped at your forehead.

The wings of a plane drag alot more wind and make awesome wake vortex. When a car is parked too close to a landing strip the wake vortex could pull it over and over end over end.

IGNORANCE BEGETS TYRANNY

Don't attack me, I can do a better job at it then you can, I know all my flaws and failures. Instead of focusing on me , why not prove where the observable wake vortex is in the fireballs.

Because that is all anyone has to do.

If it is real and there , point it out.

titorite  posted on  2013-05-14   21:46:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#283. To: titorite, RickyJ, PSUSA2 (#278)

The wings of a plane drag alot more wind and make awesome wake vortex

So they "drag wind", eh?

No. The wings PASS THROUGH AIR and cause differing air pressure between the stream of air going over the top of the wing and that passing under the wing.

The two streams of air pressure collide past the rear of the wing and create vortices due to the differing air pressures.

The vortices spin but do not move forward, and stop forming once there is no more airflow.

Stop embarassing yourself and look it up.

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-14   23:58:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#284. To: FormerLurker (#283) (Edited)

LOL... Thats right cyber commando.

Wind drag is not a real thing, whatever you say.... LOL

titorite  posted on  2013-05-15   0:03:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#286. To: titorite (#284)

BTW, did you go back and read what vortices are, or are you still putting that off?

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-15   1:08:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#290. To: FormerLurker (#286)

BTW, did you go back and read what vortices are, or are you still putting that off?

They're experts. They don't need to read such things.

They have a thought. They think "if I thought it, it must be true"

Therefore, a link they post must have the same true information, so why bother reading it?

PSUSA2  posted on  2013-05-15   7:28:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#311. To: PSUSA2 (#290) (Edited)

They're experts. They don't need to read such things.

They have a thought. They think "if I thought it, it must be true"

Therefore, a link they post must have the same true information, so why bother reading it?

No no no...

You see some of the ignorant folks here are acting like baboons.

Uba gooba monkeys.

If dee pwane that flys threw da air disappears the wind stank following it dissappered toos

ignorance.

Fucking ignorance.

Their is no reverse in flight.

If the planes crashes the wind vortex the was following it follows it right into the crash.

That you refuse to understand that makes you ignorant!

I believe you can understand it.

Just like you can understand the safe guard put into the microchips and processing boards of the commercial aircraft top prevent reaching max speeds in low (improper) altitudes. That is because the mere act of high speed low altitude flight can shake apart a commercial air liner. It is an idiot proof. Just in case a passenger has to fly it , he wont be able to throttle to max speed at low altitude (ideally). The circuit board limitation was over come on all four planes.

One of the many irregularities of the day.

Like how the remaining flights escaped radar so well despite being singled out in the sky ,after air traffic was grounded.

And if I ever gave a link it was to help pull you out of your ignorance.

But if you wanna act like a stupid fucking monkey and shit on educational links offered and generally refuse every attempt to uplift you educationally while clinging to your ignorance like a small man of limited means ... fuck it. Can't save everybody.

Just saying, educate yo'self fo.

titorite  posted on  2013-05-16   3:08:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#318. To: titorite (#311)

Their is no reverse in flight.

If the planes crashes the wind vortex the was following it follows it right into the crash.

That you refuse to understand that makes you ignorant!

By golly you have done it! You have proven that there were no planes hitting the towers! Bravo!

There is no reverse in flight. Fucking BRILLIANT! You did it! Congratulations! You have single-handedly saved the republic! You're a hero!

There is no reverse in flight. Wow. It was so simple, right in front of my eyes the entire time, but it took an educated person like yourself to point it out to ignorant little ol' me.

Thank you! You are a credit to the human race. I shall sing your praises until the last breath on the day I die!

PSUSA2  posted on  2013-05-16   11:16:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#319. To: PSUSA2 (#318)

Too bad he can't figure out what would happen if he were right, that planes are constantly being chased by these vortices.

It's beyond his comprehension what would happen once a plane were to slow down, that if there were a high speed stream of air (his superduper wind vortex or whatever he's currently naming them) traveling as fast as the plane HAD been traveling prior to slowing down, the vortex would catch up with the plane and flip it around like a rag doll.

But HE'S the scientist here. Yeah, JUNK SCIENTIST.

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-16   11:34:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#323. To: FormerLurker, PUSA2, SKYDRIFTER, Any other ignorant cuss I may of missed. (#319)

Too bad he can't figure out what would happen if he were right, that planes are constantly being chased by these vortices.

Do not wallow in ignorance like former lurker.

Because that is EXACTLY what happens, these Vortices's ARE constantly following planes.

That is exactly correct.

That is why planes are staggered at take off and landing.

They can not follow one another to close or else a plane will get swept up in the wake vortex.

Wallowing in ignorance begets tyranny. Educate yourself.

titorite  posted on  2013-05-16   17:19:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#326. To: titorite (#323)

Do not wallow in ignorance like former lurker.

Because that is EXACTLY what happens, these Vortices's ARE constantly following planes.

That is exactly correct.

Are you here to prove exactly how stupid you are? Are you too lazy to even peek at the link you posted from Wiki concerning wing vortices, or to look at the one I posted for you describing what a vortex is?

Do you care at all about vortices, or are you here just to troll?

That is why planes are staggered at take off and landing.

They can not follow one another to close or else a plane will get swept up in the wake vortex.

What part of they don't chase the planes because they have no forward velocity don't you understand? Sure they exist, nobody is disputing that. They DO NOT travel forward however, and if you had any intelligence at all you'd understand why.

Wallowing in ignorance begets tyranny. Educate yourself.

You must love tyranny then.

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-16   17:42:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#329. To: FormerLurker, PSUSA2, titorite (#326) (Edited)

Do you care at all about vortices, or are you here just to troll?

Do you? The real issue on that subject isn't titorite and whether he believes correctly or not about it. That's like a smoke obscurant tactic for the real question: Would the smoke from the buildings have reached the point where the vortices might still be present outside the burning buildings -- not just at the WTC but at the Pentagon too -- or would the vortex trails have dissipated/been dispersed completely by the explosions before then? If the smoke reached a point where the vortices should still be present for some minutes or however long, smoke swirl would have been noticeable, I would think.

I generally don't discuss that aspect of 9/11 investigations because that's about all I know about it, basically, other than that the jet stream over the highway at the Pentagon would likely have flipped some vehicles [in the official scenario] but didn't. I'm not posting this to discuss planes vs. no planes here with raging plane-gatekeepers. Just wanted to try and bring the vortices issue into clearer focus.

Edited for bracketed insert in paragraph 2 and spelling changes in paragraph 1.

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-05-16   18:54:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#332. To: GreyLmist (#329)

I'm not posting this to discuss planes vs. no planes here with raging plane-gatekeepers.

I'm not a "raging plane gatekeeper". The only ones raging are some of the the no-planers.

All I am saying is that those that claim no planes hit the towers, they better explain it better than has been "explained" here on this thread. There have been NO explanations of this; just assertions. Assertions without proof are nothing but crap.

Watch the vids of the 2nd impact. The flame and debris exited from the side of the building opposite the impact. So, how would any vortex affect this? The only way it could is if the vortex carried clear thru the building and out the other side where the smoke and flames were located. This idea seems to be a key point in the no-planers ideas on what happened. It has been stated here that the vortices continue to travel FORWARD independently of a planes motion (or the lack of motion). I call bullshit on this. This requires proof, not assertions.

PSUSA2  posted on  2013-05-16   19:16:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#336. To: PSUSA2 (#332)

The only ones raging are some of the the no-planers.

I disagree.

All I am saying is that those that claim no planes hit the towers, they better explain it better than has been "explained" here on this thread. There have been NO explanations of this; just assertions. Assertions without proof are nothing but crap.

Rather than clutter the board with a rearguing from the beginning, there are several long 4um threads on 9/11, soon before the Sandy Hook controversy, that have much explanatory info and evidence presented by no planers. One is a video playlist by me titled "9-11 Anthology - No Planes and Media Fakery Research +", if you'd rather not do a lot of tedious reading.

Watch the vids of the 2nd impact. The flame and debris exited from the side of the building opposite the impact. So, how would any vortex affect this? The only way it could is if the vortex carried clear thru the building and out the other side where the smoke and flames were located. This idea seems to be a key point in the no-planers ideas on what happened. It has been stated here that the vortices continue to travel FORWARD independently of a planes motion (or the lack of motion). I call bullshit on this. This requires proof, not assertions.

The vortices aspect is not a key point with most no planers, afaik. I'm not concerned about whether or not they travel forward. My concern is whether or not the smoke reached the point where traces of the vortices might still be lingering outside of the buildings.

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-05-16   19:43:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#338. To: GreyLmist (#336)

My concern is whether or not the smoke reached the point where traces of the vortices might still be lingering outside of the buildings.

Did it?

I dont care about other threads. They're probably as screwed up as this one is. It shouldn't take that much effort to present your case. Or someone present their case, not just you. Although you seem to be a little more reasonable than a couple of others here.

PSUSA2  posted on  2013-05-16   19:50:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#343. To: PSUSA2, titorite (#338)

My concern is whether or not the smoke reached the point where traces of the vortices might still be lingering outside of the buildings.

Did it?

I don't know but think that's what the real issue in question is rather than titorite.

I dont care about other threads. They're probably as screwed up as this one is. It shouldn't take that much effort to present your case. Or someone present their case, not just you. Although you seem to be a little more reasonable than a couple of others here.

I could contest who's been more unreasonable without provocation but let's not debate that. Just in this thread, I posted a half-hour video at #34 that you could view as an introduction about the No Planes issue for beginners. I noted too at #35 and elsewhere here that there is tangible evidence that alleged Flt. 11 didn't fly in New York that day. I also stated at #30 that there is evidence that alleged Flt. 77 didn't fly at the Pentagon that day. I mentioned there: unidentifiable scraps, mismatched plane parts, suspect audio and film, and conflicting testimonies. Additonally, there is other evidence about the registration numbers of alleged 9/11 planes staying activated; as well as MSM video analysis that indicates real planes weren't used. I don't know what else you think I should say or present to make a short summary of the No Planes investigation but, if all that wasn't good enough at the time or now to show sound cause for our research in that direction, what would suffice for you? Kind of makes my point that only No Planers are expected to keep starting over and over again as if others are unaware of anything about the subject in all these years beyond reflexively attacking and dismissing it.

I don't want to debate this subject further in this ambush thread but don't mind discussing it elsewhere with those whose motivations aren't defamation and such. One of my main concerns is the possibility of black marketeering in dual-use plane parts because of the alleged 9/11 planes largely disappearing in the scenarios with scant traceable evidence, if any. That and the other points I've highlighted here again are more than sufficient reasons, in my view, for No Planes research to be taken even more seriously than speculation about remote control -- or at least as seriously valid a field of 9/11 investigation as that. For now, I'll repeat what I said at #30: If there is one thing you can be completely sure of about the No Planes investigation without working through any of the evidence, it's that it is the one theory which can't possibly be planted disinfo. It exists by virtue of the fact that the alleged planes essentially vanished in the storylines

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-05-16   21:52:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#345. To: GreyLmist (#343)

Just curious, what is the no plane theory as to what appears in the video in post #305 at 28:34 and in post 307 at 54:54?

These "no plane" and "yes plane" wars seem silly. No one reading this was there, we all have to interpret it differently. Maybe some of what the "planers" say is right and some of what the "no planers" say is right and it all has to be put together.

I take it both sides just want the truth in the end, why be divided and conquered?

Aquila  posted on  2013-05-16   22:23:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#346. To: Aquila, *9-11*, *No Planers* (#345)

what is the no plane theory as to what appears in the video in post #305 at 28:34 and in post 307 at 54:54

As I've posted before in this thread, all the videos of alleged planes on 9/11 are archived here:

killtown.911review.org/2nd-hit.html

These have been analyzed by no planers and the no plane theory is that all the videos of planes hitting a building on 9/11 are fake.

wudidiz  posted on  2013-05-16   22:54:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#349. To: wudidiz (#346) (Edited)

These have been analyzed by no planers and the no plane theory is that all the videos of planes hitting a building on 9/11 are fake.

Really, you don't use logic, you just look at videos edited after the fact and say, NO PLANES! LOL! Please, the disinfo agents WANT you to believe such nonsense. Too many witnesses saw the planes for the government to have any chance to try to pull a stunt like this, and it makes no sense since it would have been so easy for them to make a plane hit its target. No need to fake anything, the real thing is always better anyway.

RickyJ  posted on  2013-05-17   0:38:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#353. To: RickyJ (#349)

IF you are going to argue this RickyJ do so honestly with out the attitude. Be better than me. Strive to be as civil as GreyLmist.

And ask yourself why is FL so freaking vile to GreyLmist when she has been nothing but the height of civil.

We can disagree peacefully. She proves that. But lurker... He is vile to her...

just vile.

Their is no call for it and it disgusting on his part. I am uncivil to those that are not civil with me... But GreyL... She turns the other cheek and for her politness she has to suffer the slams and slurs of FL.

Their is no call for it.

His parents obviously need to re-educate him on morality.

It is on thing to disagree. It is quite another to do so like a jew.

Yall aint jews.

We aint palistinians.

Quit yalls fucking shit and play fucking nice for christ sake... if not with me then at least,. (For the love of GOD) please play nice with those that are treating you nice.

Their is just no call for it.

titorite  posted on  2013-05-17   0:48:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#355. To: titorite (#353)

If you are going to keep on lying then why are you here? You don't understand physics at all and we are all laughing at you dude. You suck at this trolling.

RickyJ  posted on  2013-05-17   0:54:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#360. To: RickyJ, EVERYONE HELP ME ON THIS USING TERMS HE CAN UNDERSTAND!?!?! (#355) (Edited)

If you are going to keep on lying then why are you here? You don't understand physics at all and we are all laughing at you dude. You suck at this trolling.

Well fuck you too then.

I thought we had met at a cross roads. Shaken hands and buried a hatchet.

I guess you better change your mind about Sandy hook and Boston. Because you know I and the others all think those were CGI TV fakery false flags too. Complete with actors.

In fact I think that one actor might be at all three events. But that is a theory.

For my guessings and theories you act like a scum bag calling me a liar saying I do not understand the physics while you yourself fail to prove any understanding of it nor an ability to show me what you argue must of been present.

....

You say the plane does not drag air.

Did you want me to say "disturbed" the air instead?

It amounts to the same thing. Friction. We don't live in a vacuum.

Cars drag or "disturb" the air too.

That is why when one runs over a plastic bag , even though it is the only car on the road for miles, one might see the wind wake it was pulling , continue to roll the bag end over end.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVlbJJO_4gA

Their is no bag in that video. Instead a dude drives a car through smoke.

After he exits the smoke , some of the smoke follows the car.

It is not magical smoke.

It is because the car was going fast enough to drag some air behind it. Pulling the smoke.

Now that car is driving faster than the smoke and leaves the vicinity of the smoke in seconds.

HOWEVER the smoke continued to move forward.

that is because

THEIR IS NO FUCKING REVERSE IN FUCKING FLIGHT

and the forward moving air current will continue to move forward.

and the larger and faster you are the more air one will drag or "disturb" .

A litte air doesn't go very far.

ALOT OF AIR SHOULD BE EASY TO POINT OUT TO ME ON ANY NUMBER OF VIDEOS.

So why haven't you done that yet?

titorite  posted on  2013-05-17   1:37:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


Replies to Comment # 360.

#361. To: titorite, *9-11* (#360)

Well fuck you too then.

Ah, the "no-planes" science professor proves his point, using the very sort of scientific, educated, insightful, and eloquent manner of speech which won him his standing in the "no-planes" community.

It's a tough act to follow, but thanks to titorite, the beat goes on.

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-17 01:41:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#363. To: titorite (#360) (Edited)

THEIR IS NO FUCKING REVERSE IN FUCKING FLIGHT

Did you just figure that one out?

and the forward moving air current will continue to move forward.

So no matter how many scientific references to the contrary, no matter how many ways it's explained to you, you simply CAN NOT UNDERSTAND what a vortex is, nor can you get it in your head THEY DO NOT MOVE FORWARD, THEY SIMPLY ROTATE.

Other than stomping your feet like a little girl, do you have ANY scientific reference which states wing vortices MOVE FORWARD rather than simply FORMING BEHIND THE AIRCRAFT.

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-17 01:46:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#369. To: titorite (#360)

ALOT OF AIR SHOULD BE EASY TO POINT OUT TO ME ON ANY NUMBER OF VIDEOS.

I see a lot of air rushing out of that building in the jet-fuel fireball explosion, do you see that too? That explosion created a lot of force. That force would have immediately dissipated any nearby vortex. Duh! Try thinking for once tit instead of repeating what idiots in the no plane community keep pushing.

RickyJ  posted on  2013-05-17 02:04:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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