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Title: 9 11 Fake Video Stars: The J Star Clones – Why Covert Operation’s Cointel Must Have ‘Fake’ Video and ‘No Planes’
Source: Ed Ward, MD's Blog: US Tyranny & Treason
URL Source: http://edwardmd.wordpress.com/
Published: May 5, 2013
Author: Ed Ward M.D.
Post Date: 2013-05-05 20:49:50 by Original_Intent
Keywords: planes, no-planes, 911, towers
Views: 22758
Comments: 451

9 11 Fake Video Stars: The J Star Clones – Why Covert Operation’s Cointel Must Have ‘Fake’ Video and ‘No Planes’

9 11 Fake Video Stars: The J Star Clones - Why Covert Operation's Cointel Must Have 'Fake' Video

US Government Problem: Video of the planes needed to actually fly into the WTCs are readily available to the public.

US Government Solution: Promote the Videos as ‘fake’ based on ‘pixel’ BS – This solves the ‘evidence’ problem while never noting that the planes are NOT commercial airliners – which are not structurally capable of performing the tasks and look nothing like the photographic proof that commercial airliners are ‘not in the picture’ and US Government Military Planes are ‘in the picture’. Actually, an excellent scam premise when pumped out by the covert op truth troops.

Wingtips say B 767-400ERE-10A is THE CLONE USED to fly into the WTCs – Unless someone has a version that matches the video better.

The videos show that a Boeing 767-400ER E-10A was the supposed Super-Powered’ Commercial Airliner’. (One of these all very similar clones is clearly seen – one version of these clones has the ‘swept’ back wingtips used to discredit the video as fakery by some… Boeing 767-400ER E-10A) All early videos show the pod and the swept back wing – Recently, I’ve seen newer posts of truth videos in which the planes have neither.

Something that is fake can prove nothing, except that it is fake. It can not prove whether, how, or even if an actual event happened or not. Of course for this premise of ‘fake’ video proving anything one must also believe that during planning…

Someone says, since the plan is to use hijacked airliners, “Hey, let’s not use real planes. Let’s truck the plane parts in, crews to lay them out, people to say they saw planes, etc, et al, and just make some fake videos of planes going into the towers. Now, when we make these fake videos, instead of photoshopping in a commercial airliner with windows, we’ll photoshop in the plane needed to actually do it. Everybody high fives and says, ‘yeah, it’s just our lives on the line for treason.’ ”

Next day, the moron is no longer a threat… most likely scenario, taken out by their own family out of fear they’d all be taken out. It’s ludicrous on multiple levels.. Not just one.

The Ivy Flats Video, the testing of the first micro nuke, the Davy Crockett, is a perfect example of a camera that simply is too slow. Sure, cameras are a lot faster now, so have the travel speeds. They capture erratic images AT BEST when velocity exceeds capture speed images/PIXELS distort. Fact as clearly seen on the Ivy Flats video as soldiers move off train watch what happens to their legs. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nv_q8q6Z9_I

Fake video is only important if one NEEDS to disprove video evidence that a SUPER POWERED IRREGULAR SHAPED, NON WINDOWED ‘COMMERCIAL AIRLINER’ FLEW INTO THE WTCS – INDIRECTLY, without drawing attention to the fact a military aircraft flew into the WTCs. It’s still being done today by so called ‘truthers’. Did the ‘truther orgs’ say? The US government has been caught using its own planes to destroy the WTCs? No everything was silent and then came the need for the ‘fake video’ call.

No Windows in Flight 175 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRC4lCQuBmc&feature=related

Evaluation of Video Footage – for WTC comparisons…

http://911review.org/Wiki/Wtc2PlanePod.shtml

Photo: Boeing N256BA – E-10 MC2A http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3040/2351680318_dcaff7147e_z.jpg?zz=1

Related photos: http://www.spyflight.co.uk/767%20mc2a.htm

There are additional photos in original article ’9 11 Fake Video Stars: The JSTAR Clones. Why Covert Ops Must Have Fake Video 9-11 Fake Video Stars – The JSTAR Clones 10-1-10 Note, the little blue decal up front – one of the WTC witnesses claims to have seen one on the ‘plane that flew into..) BTW, eye witness testimony – the LEAST valuable information WITHOUT additional evidence. http://www.rense.com/general92/911fk.htm

F-4 Phantom at 500 mph into a solid concrete wall http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AB4IEa7jTJw

(Bullets Into Steel – Under pressure and friction metals tend to liquefy) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfFoMyMoiX4

The wall was 12 ft thick, THE PLANE WAS NOT FILLED WITH WATER, but the tanks were to simulate fuel.

“But there was a test similar to what is described above. In 1988, an
unmanned F-4 Phantom, ballasted with water and mounted on rails, was
“flown” into a concrete wall at 480 MPH. As reported, the plane crumpled,
and penetrated only about 2 inches of concrete. A very impressive test -
except it wasn’t meant to be a test of nuclear reactor safety. The wall
the F-4 crashed into was not a simulation of a nuclear plant’s wall. It
was a 12-foot-thick wall mounted on an air cushion. The test was designed to study impact forces by measuring how far the impact would push the wall. Breaking through the concrete was the last thing any of the involved scientists wanted to achieve. Furthermore, the F-4 was ballasted with water to give it the same weight as a plane fully loaded with fuel, and its final weight was 42,000 pounds. Needless to say, crashing a 412,000 pound 767 loaded with fuel into a fixed wall would have slightly different results.

Because according to a 1982 study by the Argonne National Laboratory in Illinois – a study which was conducted by request of the DOE and the NRC – the explosion from a 707 crashing into a containment dome at 466 MPH would probably overwhelm the reactor’s shielding. Note – that’s a 707, which weighs 336,000 pounds. In 1982 those were big jets. But we’ve “advanced” considerably since then. The 767s that were flown into the World Trade Center weighed 80,000 pounds more than that and carried a lot more fuel.

Other studies, again conducted for the NRC at the Lawrence Livermore
National Laboratory, found that a 125,000 pound jet had a 32 % chance of piercing a containment building’s six-foot base and an 84 % chance of
breaking through the dome.” http://everything2.com/user/DejaMorgana/writeups/Nuclear+Power

“A key report, Sugano et al 1992, covers a rocket sled crash experiment using an F-4D Phantom jet fighter impacting into a 10 foot thick reinforced concrete block.

Sandia notes:
The purpose of the test was to determine the impact force, versus time, due to the impact, of a complete F-4 Phantom — including both engines — onto a massive, essentially rigid reinforced concrete target (3.66 meters thick). Previous tests used F-4 engines at similar speeds. The test was not intended to demonstrate the performance (survivability) of any particular type of concrete structure to aircraft impact. The impact occurred at the nominal velocity of 215 meters per second (about 480 mph). The mass of the jet fuel was simulated by water; the effects of fire following such a collision was not a part of the test. The test established that the major impact force was from the engines. The test was performed by Sandia National Laboratories under terms of a contract with the Muto Institute of Structural Mechanics, Inc., of Tokyo.

With very minimal damage to the concrete target block, the plane and its engines were easily converted into small chunks of metal confetti and shrapnel at the physical interface of the two impact objects. Upon initial impact, the follow-on rear portions of the plane yet to make contact retained their shape integrity until their respective impact. (This seriously contradicts claims by Jean-Pierre Desmoulins that the wings of a 757 would have folded forward, as well as claims in the popular press that the wings folded back before entering the “too-small” hole.) The resulting shear caused debris being spread out to the left, right, and rear of the impact locus, having no ability to proceed in their original vector path, having grossly failed the test of strength with the concrete block. However, the wings are wider than the concrete block, so the wingtips are sheared off whole, and they tumble forward after being cleanly separated from the aircraft.

F4 aircraft impacting a solid concrete barrier. Note that the wings and tail do not fold as the nose impacts the concrete. (source: don’t bother moved -http://www.sandia.gov/media/NRgallery00-03.htm)

Sugano (in itself) doesn’t show that a 757 hitting the Pentagon would be turned into confetti and small chunks, but it does show that an F4 was completely destroyed in arguably similar circumstances. Furthermore, it wasn’t anywhere close to an even contest between the wall and the F4. The F4 started with a speed of 215 m/sec — and the tail was still traveling at 185 m/sec when it smashed into the wall. The F4 is a very strongly build aircraft, although at 18 meters long and 19 kg, it’s about a third the length and a fifth the weight of the 757. In terms of comparing what would happen to a 757 versus what happened to the F4, it would be difficult to do an accurate calculation without detailed design information on both aircraft. In a preliminary analysis, the extra length of the 757 means that it has three times the distance to decelerate — but the 757 is also much heavier, so it’s more difficult for the crushing process to supply enough force to decelerate even as rapidly as the F4 did.” http://www.911-strike.com/missing-confetti.htm The article from the ‘pentagon disinformation unit’ counters the information from the ‘WTC no planes disinformation unit’.

Ed Ward, MD – http://edwardmd.wordpress.com/ ;
https://www.facebook.com/EdWardMD3 ; http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EdWard-MD/messages

More US Drill Death in Waco Explosion – Drill Stops for Reality, Again http://edwardmd.wordpress.com/2013/04/28/more-us-drill-death-in-waco-drill-stops-for-reality-again/

Boston Marathon: The Finish Line For US Treason. Drill Death. Everything’s In Place For Police State. by Ed Ward, MD http://edwardmd.wordpress.com/2013/04/16/boston-marathon-the-finish-line-for-us-treason-drill-death-everything-is-in-place-for-police-state-by-ed-ward-md/

Pictures: US Boston Weapon – Both ‘Explosions’ – The Secret of the Pure Fusion Weapon – Li7 – Lithium 7 http://edwardmd.wordpress.com/2013/04/19/photograph-of-boston-fireball-2nd-explosion/

Dr. Ed Ward MD, AS, BS, MD – Reporting and investigating Constitutional abuses of the US government for almost 2 decades. AS, BS in Medical Technology – Minor in Organic Chemistry and Physics, volunteer during the Viet Nam war 6 years stateside active duty ‘med tech’ ‘US Air Farce’ – a decade experience in Medical Technology. MD degree from LSU, New Orleans – 2 decades in the field of General Practice. (My) Articles are also referenced by valid experts in their field.


Poster Comment:

For you "no planers" there are other rational explanations other than the planted disinfo (to discredit questions on 911) that there were no planes.(1 image)

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#383. To: FormerLurker (#380)

But you go on the attack and repeat lie after lie after lie, hoping that if you repeat it enough people will begin to believe it.

Not my forum, but I wouldn't tolerate those that keep repeating lies. Some people should be banned.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2013-05-17   2:45:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#384. To: RickyJ (#383)

Not my forum, but I wouldn't tolerate those that keep repeating lies.

BAC got banned for less.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-17   2:47:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#385. To: FormerLurker (#384)

BAC got banned for less.

I wasn't aware he got banned, I thought he just gave up, or he found a forum with more traffic to troll.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2013-05-17   2:54:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#386. To: RickyJ (#385)

Pretty sure he was banned.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-17   2:55:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#387. To: FormerLurker (#386)

pretty sure or certain?

Ask our administrator :)

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titorite  posted on  2013-05-17   3:01:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#388. To: titorite (#387)

pretty sure or certain?

Why do you care? Worried?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-17   3:02:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#389. To: RickyJ (#383)

Not my forum, but I wouldn't tolerate those that keep repeating lies. Some people should be banned.

By your own words you should ban yourself for calling me a liar so much.

Who the hell are you? You never told a lie. I could call you a liar all day for repeating lies. Be honest. Show me the wake vortex if you even know what to look for. You can't do it. It is not a matter of you wont . You can't Because you remain ignorant.

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titorite  posted on  2013-05-17   3:05:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#390. To: FormerLurker (#388)

Why do you care? Worried?

lol

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titorite  posted on  2013-05-17   3:05:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#391. To: FormerLurker (#382)

I don't claim to know much about this vortex subject and am not concerned for the purposes of this discussion if they move forward or not in the air or on the ground -- just if they might have still been present to some extent in the same areas as the smoke at the alleged 9/11 crash sites. Speed -- yes, that's what I think is more important to analyze about it than critiquing titorite.

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GreyLmist  posted on  2013-05-17   3:09:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#392. To: titorite, FormerLurker (#350)

Like hell, you just don't like the truth in front of your face so you'd rather believe some bullshit lie FL is peddling.

We simply agree on this topic.

We've disagreed on other topics.

I dont look to FL or anyone else for validating my opinions on any topic.

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PSUSA2  posted on  2013-05-17   7:42:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#393. To: titorite (#353)

It is on thing to disagree. It is quite another to do so like a jew.

Yall aint jews.

We aint palistinians.

Quit yalls fucking shit and play fucking nice for christ sake... if not with me then at least,. (For the love of GOD) please play nice with those that are treating you nice.

You are THE most uncivil, vile, nasty POS on this forum, so heed your own advice jackass.

It's as if you're trying to totally and absolutely discredit this forum and everyone on it.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-17   10:29:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#394. To: FormerLurker (#393)

I am certain I am not alone in my disagreement with your incorrect assessments.

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titorite  posted on  2013-05-17   16:14:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#395. To: All (#394)

Yeah, An aluminum "plane wing" did that. NOT!

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titorite  posted on  2013-05-17   16:20:36 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#396. To: titorite (#394)

And I am absolutely certain that I am not alone in my observations and assessments.

You can't give even ONE straight honest answer to ANYTHING concerning this topic, and refuse to concede ANYTHING no matter how voluminous and well sourced the proof is.

It's apparent you don't even read half the links you post, because if you did you'd see those links PROVE that you are full of it and have no clue whatsoever about what you're talking about, yet you act like everyone ELSE here (except for your two little friends) is being stupid and "dishonest".


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-17   16:24:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#397. To: titorite (#395)

So what caused that hole then, "pixie dust"?

And don't you think at least a few people with cameras would have captured an explosion on video where that hole is, showing no plane created it if that were true?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-17   16:26:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#398. To: FormerLurker (#396)

Their is nothing to prove here other than the fact that you have certainly helped us pass alot of time on this, older false flag... As opposed to the more recent ones.

I can't imagine why any former lurker might want to rehash older false flags as opposed to the latest ones. but you know whatever.

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titorite  posted on  2013-05-17   16:27:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#399. To: titorite (#398)

I can't imagine why any former lurker might want to rehash older false flags as opposed to the latest ones. but you know whatever.

#1. To: Original_Intent (#0) (Edited)

like the absence of jet exhaust trails at every scene? Or the complete lack of wake vortex effect following the planes?

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titorite posted on 2013-05-05 23:42:22 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

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"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-17   16:28:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#400. To: FormerLurker (#399)

Yes Original intent did post this thread.

Whats your point?

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titorite  posted on  2013-05-17   16:29:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#401. To: titorite (#400)

Apparently you can't read your own name, eh?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-17   16:34:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#402. To: FormerLurker (#401) (Edited)

I can read my own name just fine. You point has no logical standing. If you went this far to prove something of who started what then it would be you attempting to throw OI under the bus.

Besides if we count the number of posts each of us have made your verbage wins for most posting ... I swear you are worse than a spam bot sometimes. Disinfo trolls almost never use the edit button .

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titorite  posted on  2013-05-17   16:37:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#403. To: titorite (#402)

I swear you are worse than a spam bot sometimes. Disinfo trolls almost never use the edit button

You post hordes of nonsense ignoring the very links that you've posted yourself, make mindless accustions and assertions, play the victim, pounce on people with repeated lies, and then accuse others of "disinfo".

Not once have you posted anything valid here, you have NOT been able to explain what a vortex is, and act all indignant if anyone calls you on your bullshit.

Oh and you've used that "Edit" button more than once to change the content and meaning of what you've said to make you appear to be saying something totally different than what you said originally.

It could be said that frequent use of the "Edit" button suggests somebody is abusing it for other than purely grammatical reasons.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-17   16:45:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#404. To: FormerLurker (#403)

What are you lying about now?

I've explained Wake vortex turbulence dozens of times now in dozens of ways.

You can't blame me for your complete lack of understanding. I'd see a therapist if I were you.

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titorite  posted on  2013-05-17   16:47:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#405. To: titorite (#404)

I've explained Wake vortex turbulence dozens of times now in dozens of ways.

Uh, no. You REFUSE to acknowledge that a vortex is simply a rotating airflow, I doubt you would even understand what a rotating airflow IS.

You've LIED and CLAIMED to know ALL about these things, yet you know nothing whatsoever, you simply toss out whatever pops into your head and hope it sticks.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-17   16:49:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#406. To: FormerLurker (#405)

Stop Marking your words.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usj6uh49TPs

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titorite  posted on  2013-05-17   16:51:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#407. To: titorite (#406)

Screw off shillster. I can see why more than a few people have bozo'd you.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-17   16:52:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#408. To: FormerLurker (#407)

Screw off shillster. I can see why more than a few people have bozo'd you.

Using NLP abusively as you have done Former Lurker will not come of any benefit to you or anyone you represent.

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titorite  posted on  2013-05-17   16:54:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#409. To: titorite (#408)

Like I said early on, I wouldn't want to be you once people you know in real life get wise to what you're up to, and who and what you really are.

Good luck with that.

Or are you going to be giving your handlers the green light for a "take down" before that time comes?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-17   16:56:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#410. To: FormerLurker (#409)

Fine. Till laters

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titorite  posted on  2013-05-17   16:57:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#411. To: titorite, FormerLurker, PSUSA2 (#217) (Edited)

Here is a video link you don't want

www.youtube.com/watch? v=krL4fkrySZ4

That video shows undispersed wake vortex effects in a firey, explosive area and about zilch wake vortex effects in the fire and smoke at the WTC 1 strikezone.

Found this hint for calculating wake vortex strength at airspacemag.com: Is the Boeing 757 a threat to other airliners?

In the 1990s, engineers tested a number of airplanes to determine safe following distances. "We were really looking for ways to predict wake vortex behavior in general," Hinton says. "There's a formula: You can take the weight, the speed, and the wingspan of an airplane, and then you can predict the circulation strength from that.

Edit to add: article excerpt from Page 2 of 2.

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GreyLmist  posted on  2013-05-18   3:27:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#412. To: GreyLmist (#411)

More blonde boxing videos eh? WTF.

Any segment of WTC footage embedded between the blonde boxing clips shows the EXIT side of the blast, not the ENTRANCE side. So what ARE you trying to prove here?

Oh wait, I get it, you don't need ACTUAL proof you just need to SAY it's proof, hoping nobody watches the clip to see what sort of BS you're posting.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-18   16:21:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#413. To: FormerLurker, PSUSA2, titorite, wudidiz, All (#412)

More blonde boxing videos eh? WTF.

Any segment of WTC footage embedded between the blonde boxing clips shows the EXIT side of the blast, not the ENTRANCE side. So what ARE you trying to prove here?

Oh wait, I get it, you don't need ACTUAL proof you just need to SAY it's proof, hoping nobody watches the clip to see what sort of BS you're posting.

titorite's video link at #217:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=krL4fkrySZ4

Reposted by me at #411. I'm hoping everyone who watches the clip will compare the WTC 1 footage there to the Naudet footage of their choice, FL, so they can see for themselves that titorite's video does show the purported ENTRANCE side of the blast where wake vortex effects should be evident but aren't. Other anomalies in the MSM promoted, WTC 1 "strikezone" footage by the Naudet Brothers are: smoke that weirdly moves off to the left side and also downward, displaying smokeless flames -- but the topic at issue here is the lack of visible vortex in the outflow of smokey fire at the time of the alleged crash. So, what are you and PSUSA2 trying to prove here, FL, by spinning the video linked by titorite as merely blonde boxer frivolity, by misdirecting viewers to think that the entrance side of the blast is the exit side, and by ignoring the main points of discussion that I posted at #411?:

[titorite's] video shows undispersed wake vortex effects in a firey, explosive area and about zilch wake vortex effects in the fire and smoke at the WTC 1 strikezone. Found this hint for calculating wake vortex strength at airspacemag.com: Is the Boeing 757 a threat to other airliners? [Page 2 of 2]
In the 1990s, engineers tested a number of airplanes to determine safe following distances. "We were really looking for ways to predict wake vortex behavior in general," Hinton says. "There's a formula: You can take the weight, the speed, and the wingspan of an airplane, and then you can predict the circulation strength from that.

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GreyLmist  posted on  2013-05-19   6:35:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#414. To: GreyLmist (#413)

titorite's video link at #217:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=krL4fkrySZ4

Reposted by me at #411. I'm hoping everyone who watches the clip will compare the WTC 1 footage there to the Naudet footage of their choice

No one disputes that a plane flying thru smoke or fire will leave a visible vortex. None of the 9/11 planes flew THRU smoke or fire.

the Naudet footage

Did you see the plane? Did you hear the plane? If not, try this one, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUw1Qqe1iMc

You are only concerned about what you didn't see (visible vortices), not what you did see and hear.

The only thing I may have been wrong about is when I said the flaming debris exited opposite the impact side. Or maybe I said most of it did. I don't know. I wont go back thru 400 posts to find out.

Does that matter? no.

You are relying on your understanding of wing tip vortices to prove ALL eyewitnesses and videos as frauds. That is what it all comes down to. So dont be too surprised that no one is buying what you're selling.

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PSUSA2  posted on  2013-05-19   7:53:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#415. To: PSUSA2 (#414)

Pusa I think it is you that is denying that these vortices exist even in the absence of smoke or fire.

These votrtices are always present in flight.

You do not understand flight properly if you think they do not exist at any time.

And yeah we are concerned about what we see..

Like the Gory amputee in boston...

Their was some bullshit afoul there. And once you see it you can not unsee it.

BUt you know whatever.

I think you'd rather talk about blondes and sports than the towers.

And if such is the case Why even bother enganging us unless it is only to troll or get your jollys like you did the other sday with the Gooey NWO plane thread.

That was immature. Just a childish adult looking to get off at the expense of others.

With that in mind, why not just spend more time at a troll site like ebaums world or 4chan?

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titorite  posted on  2013-05-19   8:25:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#416. To: titorite (#415)

Pusa I think it is you that is denying that these vortices exist even in the absence of smoke or fire.

No one disputes that a plane flying thru smoke or fire will leave a visible vortex. None of the 9/11 planes flew THRU smoke or fire.

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PSUSA2  posted on  2013-05-19   9:07:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#417. To: titorite (#415)

These votrtices are always present in flight.

You do not understand flight properly if you think they do not exist at any time.

You are relying on your understanding of wing tip vortices to prove ALL eyewitnesses and videos as frauds. That is what it all comes down to. So dont be too surprised that no one is buying what you're selling.

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PSUSA2  posted on  2013-05-19   9:08:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#418. To: titorite (#415)

And if such is the case Why even bother enganging us

You want free rein to spew bullshit with no opposition. I engage because I choose to.

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PSUSA2  posted on  2013-05-19   9:10:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#419. To: PSUSA2 (#417)

You are relying on your understanding of wing tip vortices to prove ALL eyewitnesses and videos as frauds. That is what it all comes down to. So dont be too surprised that no one is buying what you're selling.

No.

You have assumed.

I am not saying all the videos are fake.

I am saying you have failed to show any proof of vortex.

The videos are really there. They are all we have to go on.

Now the eye witnesses... The Harly davidson man and the like... No ... I am not buying their testimony. The Physical evidence is stacked against.

And the vortices are not he only thing of impossible.

I am hedging my bets on the impossibles.

You wanna prove an inside job? Prove to me how the impossible was accomplished.

Because their is no fucking way any plane crashed into those buildings... and I do not believe holograms were used... if such was the case then they would of been reused.

This has not happened.

HOWEVER many more incidents of CGI / TV fakery have happened... and not just in the US. Other nations do the same thing. It is easy to manipulate with TV.

Terribly easy.

Another realm of impossible was rewriting to computer programing and or replacing any hardware necessary , so that the terrorists could achieve max speed at low altitude.

And at the pentagon we are to believe that a commercial air bus could fly like an f14 with out ripping its own wings off pulling Gs it can't handle.

Their are lots of impossibles associated with 911. I hang my hat on all of them.

And if you can't understand that maybe you should start spending more time researching this shit yourself , instead of thinking about how snarky you can make your next reply.

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titorite  posted on  2013-05-19   10:33:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#420. To: PSUSA2 (#418)

You want free rein to spew bullshit with no opposition. I engage because I choose to.

US

as in plural.

You are not engaging just one person.

And if you choose to thats fine , I was just suggesting you work less on trolling and jollys and more on educating yourself.

www.barefootsworld.net/

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Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) (It's a more positive message) there is not one convincing piece of this which indicates it was a false flag. -Former Lurker on the Boston Bombing

titorite  posted on  2013-05-19   10:36:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#421. To: titorite (#419)

And at the pentagon we are to believe that a commercial air bus could fly like an f14 with out ripping its own wings off pulling Gs it can't handle.

Show where they flew like they were in a dogfight.

You really should keep going. It's entertaining to see what you'll write next.

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PSUSA2  posted on  2013-05-19   10:43:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#422. To: titorite (#420)

You are not engaging just one person.

True. I'm engaging multiple idiots.

Since you used a fighter pilot analogy: I'm in a P-51D, you're in a A6M. I'm at your 6 o'clock high. The sun is at my back, and I'm loaded for bear. What do you think I am going to do???

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PSUSA2  posted on  2013-05-19   10:46:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#423. To: PSUSA2 (#421)

Show where they flew like they were in a dogfight.

You really should keep going. It's entertaining to see what you'll write next.

Flight 77 made a complicated 330-degree turn around the Pentagon at 530 miles an hour according to the official story.

It also managed to miss a number of light poles in its way.

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titorite  posted on  2013-05-19   10:49:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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