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Title: 9 11 Fake Video Stars: The J Star Clones – Why Covert Operation’s Cointel Must Have ‘Fake’ Video and ‘No Planes’
Source: Ed Ward, MD's Blog: US Tyranny & Treason
URL Source: http://edwardmd.wordpress.com/
Published: May 5, 2013
Author: Ed Ward M.D.
Post Date: 2013-05-05 20:49:50 by Original_Intent
Keywords: planes, no-planes, 911, towers
Views: 28096
Comments: 451

9 11 Fake Video Stars: The J Star Clones – Why Covert Operation’s Cointel Must Have ‘Fake’ Video and ‘No Planes’

9 11 Fake Video Stars: The J Star Clones - Why Covert Operation's Cointel Must Have 'Fake' Video

US Government Problem: Video of the planes needed to actually fly into the WTCs are readily available to the public.

US Government Solution: Promote the Videos as ‘fake’ based on ‘pixel’ BS – This solves the ‘evidence’ problem while never noting that the planes are NOT commercial airliners – which are not structurally capable of performing the tasks and look nothing like the photographic proof that commercial airliners are ‘not in the picture’ and US Government Military Planes are ‘in the picture’. Actually, an excellent scam premise when pumped out by the covert op truth troops.

Wingtips say B 767-400ERE-10A is THE CLONE USED to fly into the WTCs – Unless someone has a version that matches the video better.

The videos show that a Boeing 767-400ER E-10A was the supposed Super-Powered’ Commercial Airliner’. (One of these all very similar clones is clearly seen – one version of these clones has the ‘swept’ back wingtips used to discredit the video as fakery by some… Boeing 767-400ER E-10A) All early videos show the pod and the swept back wing – Recently, I’ve seen newer posts of truth videos in which the planes have neither.

Something that is fake can prove nothing, except that it is fake. It can not prove whether, how, or even if an actual event happened or not. Of course for this premise of ‘fake’ video proving anything one must also believe that during planning…

Someone says, since the plan is to use hijacked airliners, “Hey, let’s not use real planes. Let’s truck the plane parts in, crews to lay them out, people to say they saw planes, etc, et al, and just make some fake videos of planes going into the towers. Now, when we make these fake videos, instead of photoshopping in a commercial airliner with windows, we’ll photoshop in the plane needed to actually do it. Everybody high fives and says, ‘yeah, it’s just our lives on the line for treason.’ ”

Next day, the moron is no longer a threat… most likely scenario, taken out by their own family out of fear they’d all be taken out. It’s ludicrous on multiple levels.. Not just one.

The Ivy Flats Video, the testing of the first micro nuke, the Davy Crockett, is a perfect example of a camera that simply is too slow. Sure, cameras are a lot faster now, so have the travel speeds. They capture erratic images AT BEST when velocity exceeds capture speed images/PIXELS distort. Fact as clearly seen on the Ivy Flats video as soldiers move off train watch what happens to their legs. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nv_q8q6Z9_I

Fake video is only important if one NEEDS to disprove video evidence that a SUPER POWERED IRREGULAR SHAPED, NON WINDOWED ‘COMMERCIAL AIRLINER’ FLEW INTO THE WTCS – INDIRECTLY, without drawing attention to the fact a military aircraft flew into the WTCs. It’s still being done today by so called ‘truthers’. Did the ‘truther orgs’ say? The US government has been caught using its own planes to destroy the WTCs? No everything was silent and then came the need for the ‘fake video’ call.

No Windows in Flight 175 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRC4lCQuBmc&feature=related

Evaluation of Video Footage – for WTC comparisons…

http://911review.org/Wiki/Wtc2PlanePod.shtml

Photo: Boeing N256BA – E-10 MC2A http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3040/2351680318_dcaff7147e_z.jpg?zz=1

Related photos: http://www.spyflight.co.uk/767%20mc2a.htm

There are additional photos in original article ’9 11 Fake Video Stars: The JSTAR Clones. Why Covert Ops Must Have Fake Video 9-11 Fake Video Stars – The JSTAR Clones 10-1-10 Note, the little blue decal up front – one of the WTC witnesses claims to have seen one on the ‘plane that flew into..) BTW, eye witness testimony – the LEAST valuable information WITHOUT additional evidence. http://www.rense.com/general92/911fk.htm

F-4 Phantom at 500 mph into a solid concrete wall http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AB4IEa7jTJw

(Bullets Into Steel – Under pressure and friction metals tend to liquefy) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfFoMyMoiX4

The wall was 12 ft thick, THE PLANE WAS NOT FILLED WITH WATER, but the tanks were to simulate fuel.

“But there was a test similar to what is described above. In 1988, an
unmanned F-4 Phantom, ballasted with water and mounted on rails, was
“flown” into a concrete wall at 480 MPH. As reported, the plane crumpled,
and penetrated only about 2 inches of concrete. A very impressive test -
except it wasn’t meant to be a test of nuclear reactor safety. The wall
the F-4 crashed into was not a simulation of a nuclear plant’s wall. It
was a 12-foot-thick wall mounted on an air cushion. The test was designed to study impact forces by measuring how far the impact would push the wall. Breaking through the concrete was the last thing any of the involved scientists wanted to achieve. Furthermore, the F-4 was ballasted with water to give it the same weight as a plane fully loaded with fuel, and its final weight was 42,000 pounds. Needless to say, crashing a 412,000 pound 767 loaded with fuel into a fixed wall would have slightly different results.

Because according to a 1982 study by the Argonne National Laboratory in Illinois – a study which was conducted by request of the DOE and the NRC – the explosion from a 707 crashing into a containment dome at 466 MPH would probably overwhelm the reactor’s shielding. Note – that’s a 707, which weighs 336,000 pounds. In 1982 those were big jets. But we’ve “advanced” considerably since then. The 767s that were flown into the World Trade Center weighed 80,000 pounds more than that and carried a lot more fuel.

Other studies, again conducted for the NRC at the Lawrence Livermore
National Laboratory, found that a 125,000 pound jet had a 32 % chance of piercing a containment building’s six-foot base and an 84 % chance of
breaking through the dome.” http://everything2.com/user/DejaMorgana/writeups/Nuclear+Power

“A key report, Sugano et al 1992, covers a rocket sled crash experiment using an F-4D Phantom jet fighter impacting into a 10 foot thick reinforced concrete block.

Sandia notes:
The purpose of the test was to determine the impact force, versus time, due to the impact, of a complete F-4 Phantom — including both engines — onto a massive, essentially rigid reinforced concrete target (3.66 meters thick). Previous tests used F-4 engines at similar speeds. The test was not intended to demonstrate the performance (survivability) of any particular type of concrete structure to aircraft impact. The impact occurred at the nominal velocity of 215 meters per second (about 480 mph). The mass of the jet fuel was simulated by water; the effects of fire following such a collision was not a part of the test. The test established that the major impact force was from the engines. The test was performed by Sandia National Laboratories under terms of a contract with the Muto Institute of Structural Mechanics, Inc., of Tokyo.

With very minimal damage to the concrete target block, the plane and its engines were easily converted into small chunks of metal confetti and shrapnel at the physical interface of the two impact objects. Upon initial impact, the follow-on rear portions of the plane yet to make contact retained their shape integrity until their respective impact. (This seriously contradicts claims by Jean-Pierre Desmoulins that the wings of a 757 would have folded forward, as well as claims in the popular press that the wings folded back before entering the “too-small” hole.) The resulting shear caused debris being spread out to the left, right, and rear of the impact locus, having no ability to proceed in their original vector path, having grossly failed the test of strength with the concrete block. However, the wings are wider than the concrete block, so the wingtips are sheared off whole, and they tumble forward after being cleanly separated from the aircraft.

F4 aircraft impacting a solid concrete barrier. Note that the wings and tail do not fold as the nose impacts the concrete. (source: don’t bother moved -http://www.sandia.gov/media/NRgallery00-03.htm)

Sugano (in itself) doesn’t show that a 757 hitting the Pentagon would be turned into confetti and small chunks, but it does show that an F4 was completely destroyed in arguably similar circumstances. Furthermore, it wasn’t anywhere close to an even contest between the wall and the F4. The F4 started with a speed of 215 m/sec — and the tail was still traveling at 185 m/sec when it smashed into the wall. The F4 is a very strongly build aircraft, although at 18 meters long and 19 kg, it’s about a third the length and a fifth the weight of the 757. In terms of comparing what would happen to a 757 versus what happened to the F4, it would be difficult to do an accurate calculation without detailed design information on both aircraft. In a preliminary analysis, the extra length of the 757 means that it has three times the distance to decelerate — but the 757 is also much heavier, so it’s more difficult for the crushing process to supply enough force to decelerate even as rapidly as the F4 did.” http://www.911-strike.com/missing-confetti.htm The article from the ‘pentagon disinformation unit’ counters the information from the ‘WTC no planes disinformation unit’.

Ed Ward, MD – http://edwardmd.wordpress.com/ ;
https://www.facebook.com/EdWardMD3 ; http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EdWard-MD/messages

More US Drill Death in Waco Explosion – Drill Stops for Reality, Again http://edwardmd.wordpress.com/2013/04/28/more-us-drill-death-in-waco-drill-stops-for-reality-again/

Boston Marathon: The Finish Line For US Treason. Drill Death. Everything’s In Place For Police State. by Ed Ward, MD http://edwardmd.wordpress.com/2013/04/16/boston-marathon-the-finish-line-for-us-treason-drill-death-everything-is-in-place-for-police-state-by-ed-ward-md/

Pictures: US Boston Weapon – Both ‘Explosions’ – The Secret of the Pure Fusion Weapon – Li7 – Lithium 7 http://edwardmd.wordpress.com/2013/04/19/photograph-of-boston-fireball-2nd-explosion/

Dr. Ed Ward MD, AS, BS, MD – Reporting and investigating Constitutional abuses of the US government for almost 2 decades. AS, BS in Medical Technology – Minor in Organic Chemistry and Physics, volunteer during the Viet Nam war 6 years stateside active duty ‘med tech’ ‘US Air Farce’ – a decade experience in Medical Technology. MD degree from LSU, New Orleans – 2 decades in the field of General Practice. (My) Articles are also referenced by valid experts in their field.


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#411. To: titorite, FormerLurker, PSUSA2 (#217) (Edited)

Here is a video link you don't want

www.youtube.com/watch? v=krL4fkrySZ4

That video shows undispersed wake vortex effects in a firey, explosive area and about zilch wake vortex effects in the fire and smoke at the WTC 1 strikezone.

Found this hint for calculating wake vortex strength at airspacemag.com: Is the Boeing 757 a threat to other airliners?

In the 1990s, engineers tested a number of airplanes to determine safe following distances. "We were really looking for ways to predict wake vortex behavior in general," Hinton says. "There's a formula: You can take the weight, the speed, and the wingspan of an airplane, and then you can predict the circulation strength from that.

Edit to add: article excerpt from Page 2 of 2.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-05-18   3:27:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#412. To: GreyLmist (#411)

More blonde boxing videos eh? WTF.

Any segment of WTC footage embedded between the blonde boxing clips shows the EXIT side of the blast, not the ENTRANCE side. So what ARE you trying to prove here?

Oh wait, I get it, you don't need ACTUAL proof you just need to SAY it's proof, hoping nobody watches the clip to see what sort of BS you're posting.


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FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-18   16:21:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#413. To: FormerLurker, PSUSA2, titorite, wudidiz, All (#412)

More blonde boxing videos eh? WTF.

Any segment of WTC footage embedded between the blonde boxing clips shows the EXIT side of the blast, not the ENTRANCE side. So what ARE you trying to prove here?

Oh wait, I get it, you don't need ACTUAL proof you just need to SAY it's proof, hoping nobody watches the clip to see what sort of BS you're posting.

titorite's video link at #217:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=krL4fkrySZ4

Reposted by me at #411. I'm hoping everyone who watches the clip will compare the WTC 1 footage there to the Naudet footage of their choice, FL, so they can see for themselves that titorite's video does show the purported ENTRANCE side of the blast where wake vortex effects should be evident but aren't. Other anomalies in the MSM promoted, WTC 1 "strikezone" footage by the Naudet Brothers are: smoke that weirdly moves off to the left side and also downward, displaying smokeless flames -- but the topic at issue here is the lack of visible vortex in the outflow of smokey fire at the time of the alleged crash. So, what are you and PSUSA2 trying to prove here, FL, by spinning the video linked by titorite as merely blonde boxer frivolity, by misdirecting viewers to think that the entrance side of the blast is the exit side, and by ignoring the main points of discussion that I posted at #411?:

[titorite's] video shows undispersed wake vortex effects in a firey, explosive area and about zilch wake vortex effects in the fire and smoke at the WTC 1 strikezone. Found this hint for calculating wake vortex strength at airspacemag.com: Is the Boeing 757 a threat to other airliners? [Page 2 of 2]
In the 1990s, engineers tested a number of airplanes to determine safe following distances. "We were really looking for ways to predict wake vortex behavior in general," Hinton says. "There's a formula: You can take the weight, the speed, and the wingspan of an airplane, and then you can predict the circulation strength from that.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-05-19   6:35:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#414. To: GreyLmist (#413)

titorite's video link at #217:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=krL4fkrySZ4

Reposted by me at #411. I'm hoping everyone who watches the clip will compare the WTC 1 footage there to the Naudet footage of their choice

No one disputes that a plane flying thru smoke or fire will leave a visible vortex. None of the 9/11 planes flew THRU smoke or fire.

the Naudet footage

Did you see the plane? Did you hear the plane? If not, try this one, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUw1Qqe1iMc

You are only concerned about what you didn't see (visible vortices), not what you did see and hear.

The only thing I may have been wrong about is when I said the flaming debris exited opposite the impact side. Or maybe I said most of it did. I don't know. I wont go back thru 400 posts to find out.

Does that matter? no.

You are relying on your understanding of wing tip vortices to prove ALL eyewitnesses and videos as frauds. That is what it all comes down to. So dont be too surprised that no one is buying what you're selling.

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Death to the Draconians!!!

PSUSA2  posted on  2013-05-19   7:53:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#415. To: PSUSA2 (#414)

Pusa I think it is you that is denying that these vortices exist even in the absence of smoke or fire.

These votrtices are always present in flight.

You do not understand flight properly if you think they do not exist at any time.

And yeah we are concerned about what we see..

Like the Gory amputee in boston...

Their was some bullshit afoul there. And once you see it you can not unsee it.

BUt you know whatever.

I think you'd rather talk about blondes and sports than the towers.

And if such is the case Why even bother enganging us unless it is only to troll or get your jollys like you did the other sday with the Gooey NWO plane thread.

That was immature. Just a childish adult looking to get off at the expense of others.

With that in mind, why not just spend more time at a troll site like ebaums world or 4chan?

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Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) (It's a more positive message) there is not one convincing piece of this which indicates it was a false flag. -Former Lurker on the Boston Bombing

titorite  posted on  2013-05-19   8:25:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#416. To: titorite (#415)

Pusa I think it is you that is denying that these vortices exist even in the absence of smoke or fire.

No one disputes that a plane flying thru smoke or fire will leave a visible vortex. None of the 9/11 planes flew THRU smoke or fire.

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Death to the Draconians!!!

PSUSA2  posted on  2013-05-19   9:07:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#417. To: titorite (#415)

These votrtices are always present in flight.

You do not understand flight properly if you think they do not exist at any time.

You are relying on your understanding of wing tip vortices to prove ALL eyewitnesses and videos as frauds. That is what it all comes down to. So dont be too surprised that no one is buying what you're selling.

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Death to the Draconians!!!

PSUSA2  posted on  2013-05-19   9:08:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#418. To: titorite (#415)

And if such is the case Why even bother enganging us

You want free rein to spew bullshit with no opposition. I engage because I choose to.

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Death to the Draconians!!!

PSUSA2  posted on  2013-05-19   9:10:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#419. To: PSUSA2 (#417)

You are relying on your understanding of wing tip vortices to prove ALL eyewitnesses and videos as frauds. That is what it all comes down to. So dont be too surprised that no one is buying what you're selling.

No.

You have assumed.

I am not saying all the videos are fake.

I am saying you have failed to show any proof of vortex.

The videos are really there. They are all we have to go on.

Now the eye witnesses... The Harly davidson man and the like... No ... I am not buying their testimony. The Physical evidence is stacked against.

And the vortices are not he only thing of impossible.

I am hedging my bets on the impossibles.

You wanna prove an inside job? Prove to me how the impossible was accomplished.

Because their is no fucking way any plane crashed into those buildings... and I do not believe holograms were used... if such was the case then they would of been reused.

This has not happened.

HOWEVER many more incidents of CGI / TV fakery have happened... and not just in the US. Other nations do the same thing. It is easy to manipulate with TV.

Terribly easy.

Another realm of impossible was rewriting to computer programing and or replacing any hardware necessary , so that the terrorists could achieve max speed at low altitude.

And at the pentagon we are to believe that a commercial air bus could fly like an f14 with out ripping its own wings off pulling Gs it can't handle.

Their are lots of impossibles associated with 911. I hang my hat on all of them.

And if you can't understand that maybe you should start spending more time researching this shit yourself , instead of thinking about how snarky you can make your next reply.

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Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) (It's a more positive message) there is not one convincing piece of this which indicates it was a false flag. -Former Lurker on the Boston Bombing

titorite  posted on  2013-05-19   10:33:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#420. To: PSUSA2 (#418)

You want free rein to spew bullshit with no opposition. I engage because I choose to.

US

as in plural.

You are not engaging just one person.

And if you choose to thats fine , I was just suggesting you work less on trolling and jollys and more on educating yourself.

www.barefootsworld.net/

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Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) (It's a more positive message) there is not one convincing piece of this which indicates it was a false flag. -Former Lurker on the Boston Bombing

titorite  posted on  2013-05-19   10:36:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#421. To: titorite (#419)

And at the pentagon we are to believe that a commercial air bus could fly like an f14 with out ripping its own wings off pulling Gs it can't handle.

Show where they flew like they were in a dogfight.

You really should keep going. It's entertaining to see what you'll write next.

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Death to the Draconians!!!

PSUSA2  posted on  2013-05-19   10:43:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#422. To: titorite (#420)

You are not engaging just one person.

True. I'm engaging multiple idiots.

Since you used a fighter pilot analogy: I'm in a P-51D, you're in a A6M. I'm at your 6 o'clock high. The sun is at my back, and I'm loaded for bear. What do you think I am going to do???

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Death to the Draconians!!!

PSUSA2  posted on  2013-05-19   10:46:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#423. To: PSUSA2 (#421)

Show where they flew like they were in a dogfight.

You really should keep going. It's entertaining to see what you'll write next.

Flight 77 made a complicated 330-degree turn around the Pentagon at 530 miles an hour according to the official story.

It also managed to miss a number of light poles in its way.

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Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) (It's a more positive message) there is not one convincing piece of this which indicates it was a false flag. -Former Lurker on the Boston Bombing

titorite  posted on  2013-05-19   10:49:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#424. To: PSUSA2 (#422)

True. I'm engaging multiple idiots.

Says the old fool distracted by a blonde bimbo over the subject matter of the topic...

It would of been alot less idiotic to pay attention to the information in the video...instead of the blonde bimbo.

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Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) (It's a more positive message) there is not one convincing piece of this which indicates it was a false flag. -Former Lurker on the Boston Bombing

titorite  posted on  2013-05-19   10:53:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#425. To: titorite (#423)

Flight 77 made a complicated 330-degree turn around the Pentagon at 530 miles an hour according to the official story.

The pentagon is a separate topic. We're talking towers here. The WTC 7 and the pentagon hit are the 2 weakest links in the official story.

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Death to the Draconians!!!

PSUSA2  posted on  2013-05-19   10:58:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#426. To: titorite (#424)

There was no information on the video.

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Death to the Draconians!!!

PSUSA2  posted on  2013-05-19   10:58:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#427. To: FormerLurker, titorite, Original_Intent, Lod, Artisan, Dakmar, PSUSA2, Jethro Tull, christine, James Deffenbach (#152)

It's clear to US that you are not interested in any sort of "truth", your only concern is to attack those who are.

So far my friends have tolerated my occasional seizures when I indirectly attack their beliefs.

And even though titorite's thoughts (post 146) ares of the colloquial, pull no punches variety he pretty well expressed my contempt for Big Church, Inc., and the expensive miracles they heave up.

We differ on the damage resulting from Christian fanaticism. Although not known for herpetic mohels or decapitation, Christian beliefs translate into devastating damage when navy and air force flight crews release bombs over wrong religion civilian targets. In too many cases the justifications for the air campaigns are so thin that even the implied lust for oil does not reconcile the deaths and destruction in my aching soul.

In short, I believe that there are more than a few Generals like "Jack D. Ripper" (Sterling Hayden in DR. STRANGELOVE) in the US Armed Forces. And the complete non observance of "love thy neighbor" and "thou shalt not kill" is because they cannot share the same universe with Christian hawks who hear different voices that order polar opposite mandates.

And one hard rule of the two party system (you know, the one that's required by the constitution or The Declaration or, well, I'm sure it's written somewhere) is that all "good, moderate lefties" must stand together with the murdering extremists. ("While I can't applaud the deaths caused by The Weathermen, I understand the frustration that ultimately resulted in those unfortunate deaths...")

And sadly, the rule seems responsible for many Christians/Conservatives remaining silent when The Pentagon paints villages red with "the blood of the lamb" and that of any collateral heathens within the blast radius.

The very existence of Christianity is proven by acts of men. Those who suspend their beliefs to conduct lop sided high tech laser-guided wars against raggedy assed goat herders do little to reinforce my belief in The King Of Kings.

And, before someone sets the record straight by pointing out that the wars benefit another Middle Eastern country, let me say this: Even if there was no such influence applying external pressure to our govt there would be wars that require the use (and replacement) of expensive weapons. War is indeed the health of the state. And, just who do I think I am when suggesting that thousands of defense workers are not doing the Lord's work and that they should be forced into other hopefully productive fields of endeavor?

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2013-05-19   20:13:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#428. To: HOUNDDAWG (#427)

In too many cases the justifications for the air campaigns are so thin that even the implied lust for oil does not reconcile the deaths and destruction in my aching soul.

A - freaking -men!

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Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) (It's a more positive message) there is not one convincing piece of this which indicates it was a false flag. -Former Lurker the liar on the Boston Bombing

titorite  posted on  2013-05-19   20:17:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#429. To: HOUNDDAWG, SKYDRIFTER (#427)

I don't disagree with anything you said. My issue is with a fairly obvious government shill pretending he's "on our side", when in reality he's acting no different than any other shill we've ever seen on the Internet. The only difference is that he's more selective with who he attacks (myself, SKYDRIFTER, and a few others who try to post factual info), and that he's WAY more vile than any other shill I've had the misfortune of crossing swords with.


"I got a letter from the local sheriff saying he was gonna arrest my felon ass" - "I recently made my rounds all over the place asking about a liberator"" - titorite the COINTEL plant

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-19   20:17:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#430. To: FormerLurker (#429)

I don't disagree with anything you said. My issue is with a fairly obvious government shill pretending he's "on our side", when in reality he's acting no different than any other shill we've ever seen on the Internet. The only difference is that he's more selective with who he attacks (myself, SKYDRIFTER, and a few others who try to post factual info), and that he's WAY more vile than any other shill I've had the misfortune of crossing swords with.

DO you think jews are gods chosen master race loved and favored above all other goy on earth?

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Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) (It's a more positive message) there is not one convincing piece of this which indicates it was a false flag. -Former Lurker the liar on the Boston Bombing

titorite  posted on  2013-05-19   20:24:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#431. To: titorite (#430)

DO you think jews are gods chosen master race loved and favored above all other goy on earth?

Uh no, why do you?

Did you even know that if anything I tend to be more of a Buddhist, even though I was born and raised Roman Catholic?

So what religion are YOU exactly?


"I got a letter from the local sheriff saying he was gonna arrest my felon ass" - "I recently made my rounds all over the place asking about a liberator"" - titorite the COINTEL plant

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-19   20:33:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#432. To: FormerLurker (#431)

Uh no, why do you?

Did you even know that if anything I tend to be more of a Buddhist, even though I was born and raised Roman Catholic?

So what religion are YOU exactly?

I do not believe jews are the master race of jack of shit. .

You wanna know the master race? it's gonna be the Chinese for bumping their childrens IQ every generation FUCK WHY ARENT WE DOING THAT!!!!!

As for my religion?

I don't know anymore. I am not an atheist. and I am not agnostic. I talk to God... In that regard I suppose I am no different than any other religious nut.

I guess it would be easiest to just say I believe.

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Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) (It's a more positive message) there is not one convincing piece of this which indicates it was a false flag. -Former Lurker the liar on the Boston Bombing

titorite  posted on  2013-05-19   20:39:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#433. To: HOUNDDAWG (#427)

Christian beliefs translate into devastating damage when navy and air force flight crews release bombs over wrong religion civilian targets.

When their god wipes out 57,000 men because someone looked into a box, well, what's a little collateral damage?

www.biblegateway.com/pass...amuel%206:19&version=KJ21

Want more examples? I have more. Oh yes, I have more.

They're just like their god.

That doesn't mean there aren't some nice christians out there, because there are. But they aren't good christians. They're good in spite of their religion and its scriptures, not because of their religion and scriptures. They're heretics.

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PSUSA2  posted on  2013-05-19   21:02:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#434. To: PSUSA2, HOUNDAWG (#433)

Jesus was a heretic.


"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow

wudidiz  posted on  2013-05-19   23:40:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#435. To: FormerLurker, titorite (#429)

"I got a letter from the local sheriff saying he was gonna arrest my felon ass" - "I recently made my rounds all over the place asking about a liberator"" - titorite the COINTEL plant

FL needs his di-di changed


"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow

wudidiz  posted on  2013-05-19   23:50:40 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#436. To: wudidiz (#435)

FL needs his di-di changed

wudidiz thinks he's very clever. You actually sound like a real doofus.


"I got a letter from the local sheriff saying he was gonna arrest my felon ass" - "I recently made my rounds all over the place asking about a liberator"" - titorite the COINTEL plant

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-20   0:19:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#437. To: FormerLurker (#436)

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"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow

wudidiz  posted on  2013-05-20   15:54:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#438. To: PSUSA2 (#414)

the Naudet footage

Did you see the plane? Did you hear the plane? If not, try this one, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUw1Qqe1iMc

?? The Naudet footage is of the 1st alleged crash into the North Tower. Your cited YouTube is of the 2nd alleged crash into the South Tower. Sound effects aren't the issue. Wake vortex effects or not in the outflowing smoke and fire of the alleged impact areas is the issue. titorite's video showed that smoke and fire in an explosive area was affected in that footage by wake vortex which remained from a plane that had travelled onward, not from flying through it. Your post that said "the flaming debris exited opposite the impact side" was #122. The rest of your post is a misrepresentation of my perspectives and a mass of confusion about yours and the building that was under review. Why you'd think, under those circumstances, that anyone should buy what you're selling is...I'm not sure what to call it. I guess I'll just say: Caveat Emptor/Buyer Beware.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-05-22   8:58:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#439. To: GreyLmist (#438)

alleged crash

?

titorite's video showed that smoke and fire in an explosive area was affected in that footage by wake vortex which remained from a plane that had travelled onward, not from flying through it.

And?

Yes, there are vortices behind an airplane. No one claimed there weren't.

How can I misrepresent your perspectives when I can't even figure out what they are?

There is no intentional misrepresentation on my part. This whole thing is so disorganized that it is not possible to understand. If you believe wing tip vortices are so key to understanding the no-plane case, then why not start another topic and discuss it in a FOCUSED and logical manner?

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Death to the Draconians!!!

PSUSA2  posted on  2013-05-22   9:13:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#440. To: PSUSA2, 4 (#439)

I believe that Rabbi Dov's remote-controlled aircraft hit the two towers creating the explosions and fires. NYFD was dealing with the fires professionally and well until the controlled demolitions were triggered.

Lucky Larry, the jew, stated that the decision was made to "pull" building 7.

It was the most dramatic false-flag op since Pearl to stampede the herd into another war.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2013-05-22   9:33:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#441. To: Lod (#440)

I believe that Rabbi Dov's remote-controlled aircraft hit the two towers creating the explosions and fires. NYFD was dealing with the fires professionally and well until the controlled demolitions were triggered.

Possible.

I'd have to look it up, but I seem to remember reading (from a good source) that airliners flight controls could be forcefully taken by remote.

And the NYFD had the fires under control. Then they were murdered.

Here's how hot the fires were:

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Death to the Draconians!!!

PSUSA2  posted on  2013-05-22   9:55:38 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#442. To: PSUSA2 (#441)

whoa! check it -

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_control

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2013-05-22   10:34:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#443. To: Lod (#442)

I used to fly them, and crash them, as a hobby. Good times.

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Death to the Draconians!!!

PSUSA2  posted on  2013-05-22   11:02:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#444. To: HOUNDDAWG (#427)

very well stated.

christine  posted on  2013-05-22   12:18:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#445. To: HOUNDDAWG (#427)

before someone sets the record straight by pointing out that the wars benefit another Middle Eastern country, let me say this: Even if there was no such influence applying external pressure to our govt there would be wars that require the use (and replacement) of expensive weapons. War is indeed the health of the state.

I can't agree that War is the health of the state. It benefits War Profiteers. What is needed for the health of the state, imo, is to replace the dysfunctional monetary/economic/banking/accounting/valuation systems where Defense weapons wouldn't be such an expense to make for deterring invasions here or to deconstruct and replace. It's all work that citizens could be doing to earn their incomes as a self-employed labor sector that benefits the well being of American society without them having to be subjected to revenue-siphoning "middlemen" in the business sector or their refusals of employment for Americans.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-05-22   13:17:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#446. To: FormerLurker, titorite (#429)

I don't disagree with anything you said. My issue is with a fairly obvious government shill pretending he's "on our side", when in reality he's acting no different than any other shill we've ever seen on the Internet. The only difference is that he's more selective with who he attacks (myself, SKYDRIFTER, and a few others who try to post factual info), and that he's WAY more vile than any other shill I've had the misfortune of crossing swords with.

Well my friend, titorite may indeed have a clear, anti sovereign USA agenda, but it just doesn't read that way to me.

Of course I couldn't tell you what most of our members' political leanings are unless they spelled them out for me, or others finger them and show me the evidence.

And the sheer viciousness that seems to accompany your exchanges is also a distraction. Perhaps I could see what it is you're trying to show us all if not for the shock factor of the dogfights. If you'd care to calmly and civilly underscore some quotes in context then I may agree with you. (Not to imply that my opinion should matter to you or anyone else)

The way things are I can't underwrite your campaign against another member because the posts that leave me stone cold aren't political but personal in nature.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2013-05-23   16:34:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#447. To: HOUNDDAWG, SKYDRIFTER (#446)

I guess you must of meant to post this to SKYDRIFTER since that's who titorite was posting to in the quoted section of the post you first apparently replied to.

As far as who is posting personal attacks and tossing out profanity, insults, and accusations, perhaps you should read this thread and pay attention to who is posting what.

http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=154772&Disp=152#C146


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-23   16:47:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#448. To: GreyLmist (#445)

before someone sets the record straight by pointing out that the wars benefit another Middle Eastern country, let me say this: Even if there was no such influence applying external pressure to our govt there would be wars that require the use (and replacement) of expensive weapons. War is indeed the health of the state.

I can't agree that War is the health of the state. It benefits War Profiteers. What is needed for the health of the state, imo, is to replace the dysfunctional monetary/economic/banking/accounting/valuation systems where Defense weapons wouldn't be such an expense to make for deterring invasions here or to deconstruct and replace. It's all work that citizens could be doing to earn their incomes as a self-employed labor sector that benefits the well being of American society without them having to be subjected to revenue-siphoning "middlemen" in the business sector or their refusals of employment for Americans

You've done a yeoman's job of explaining the way things should be.

The quote I borrowed is the way things are, however. Hell, even Lincoln bought the same, defective arms from crooked war profiteers several times, and yet he was powerless to prosecute or even drop the offenders from the list of approved suppliers.

And, how far back must we go (The Roman Empire and its road to conquest known as The Appian Way) to show that plunder has been the priority for govts for eons? Your noble treatment of the way things should be is indeed lofty and admirable. But I'd be interested in any examples you could cite as having adopted an ethical and exemplary alternative to war and plunder to maintain any enduring govt in recorded history. (Denmark doesn't count. They can't make tanks out of fish meal)

So, I suppose we could reduce it to a single definition of "the state". Do you remember Louis XIV's famous quote, "L'Etat c'est moi"? I've never seen any quotable quote from any powerful source that is more aligned with your understandable if not somewhat unsupportable reverie of "what the state isn't." You know, something memorable like, "Screw the rich and influential who put me in office! We're running this country to empower and benefit the little people!"

Please don't confuse my use of a quote as endorsement of same. And, I won't attempt to make your exception to it appear as the embrace of a fictitious morality play such as Walt Disney's Pollyanna.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2013-05-23   17:00:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#449. To: FormerLurker, SKYDRIFTER (#447)

I guess you must of meant to post this to SKYDRIFTER since that's who titorite was posting to in the quoted section of the post you first apparently replied to.

Yes, thank you.

ATT: SKYDRIFTER, please see post 446.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2013-05-23   17:10:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#450. To: HOUNDDAWG (#448)

So, I suppose we could reduce it to a single definition of "the state". Do you remember Louis XIV's famous quote, "L'Etat c'est moi"? I've never seen any quotable quote from any powerful source that is more aligned with your understandable if not somewhat unsupportable reverie of "what the state isn't."

:) Thanks for your gem of a post. Took a long, circuitous route getting back here but managed to do so today. As it turned out, the timing may have been somewhat fortuitous. In answer to your question, oui, yes I did vaguely recall the quotation from some point in my studies when I read that: I am the State/The State is me. Oddly enough, as I was on my way to make this reply, I happened upon a band called I Don't Speak French who have a newly debuted song called We Are The People. Couldn't hear all the words and couldn't find the lyrics online but this is a translated synopsis that I was able to locate fairly quickly at http://gaffa.se/nyhet/72931:

Today we premiere the video for, and indeed even the song We Are The People with I Do not Speak French . The Växjö band's debut single and a taste of what's to come when their debut album is released this summer.

The band began as a creative outlet for the singer Håkan Persson , who then joined forces with jazz drummer Peter Turesson and then add three more members to the band, and on the way it is. To describe the band the song itself: - It is inspired by the anxiety we feel about the consumer society that we in the West have created us. But in contrast to the serious message of the song has been given an uplifting and catchigt sound. The text is about how we are interconnected, and together they must be held accountable for the choices we make in our daily lives. video is an experiment where they mixed simple hand-drawn illustrations with printed images and then animated them digitally. - Large parts of the animations we have made by hand and filmed the movement directly. For example, we pasted pictures of instruments on skewers and moved them to the music with his hands, spun a drawn path between two curtain rods, to get the car to look like it is moving forward

Watch the video below:

I like the words "We Are The People" and the music presentation was up-tempo artsy so am posting it here:

Published on Jun 3, 2013

Buy it on iTunes!
https://itunes.apple.com/se/album/we-...

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-06-08   14:38:13 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#451. To: titorite (#419)

I am hedging my bets on the impossibles.

when one rules out the improbable only the impossible remains, the government's claims of how 9/11 went down are all improbabilities therefore all that remains is that what a minority of the populous would consider impossible, the government in question did in fact perpetrated the act.


I used to be in a hurry, then I figured out I was just getting nowhere fast.

IRTorqued  posted on  2013-06-08   15:58:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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