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Title: 9 11 Fake Video Stars: The J Star Clones – Why Covert Operation’s Cointel Must Have ‘Fake’ Video and ‘No Planes’
Source: Ed Ward, MD's Blog: US Tyranny & Treason
URL Source: http://edwardmd.wordpress.com/
Published: May 5, 2013
Author: Ed Ward M.D.
Post Date: 2013-05-05 20:49:50 by Original_Intent
Keywords: planes, no-planes, 911, towers
Views: 23008
Comments: 451

9 11 Fake Video Stars: The J Star Clones – Why Covert Operation’s Cointel Must Have ‘Fake’ Video and ‘No Planes’

9 11 Fake Video Stars: The J Star Clones - Why Covert Operation's Cointel Must Have 'Fake' Video

US Government Problem: Video of the planes needed to actually fly into the WTCs are readily available to the public.

US Government Solution: Promote the Videos as ‘fake’ based on ‘pixel’ BS – This solves the ‘evidence’ problem while never noting that the planes are NOT commercial airliners – which are not structurally capable of performing the tasks and look nothing like the photographic proof that commercial airliners are ‘not in the picture’ and US Government Military Planes are ‘in the picture’. Actually, an excellent scam premise when pumped out by the covert op truth troops.

Wingtips say B 767-400ERE-10A is THE CLONE USED to fly into the WTCs – Unless someone has a version that matches the video better.

The videos show that a Boeing 767-400ER E-10A was the supposed Super-Powered’ Commercial Airliner’. (One of these all very similar clones is clearly seen – one version of these clones has the ‘swept’ back wingtips used to discredit the video as fakery by some… Boeing 767-400ER E-10A) All early videos show the pod and the swept back wing – Recently, I’ve seen newer posts of truth videos in which the planes have neither.

Something that is fake can prove nothing, except that it is fake. It can not prove whether, how, or even if an actual event happened or not. Of course for this premise of ‘fake’ video proving anything one must also believe that during planning…

Someone says, since the plan is to use hijacked airliners, “Hey, let’s not use real planes. Let’s truck the plane parts in, crews to lay them out, people to say they saw planes, etc, et al, and just make some fake videos of planes going into the towers. Now, when we make these fake videos, instead of photoshopping in a commercial airliner with windows, we’ll photoshop in the plane needed to actually do it. Everybody high fives and says, ‘yeah, it’s just our lives on the line for treason.’ ”

Next day, the moron is no longer a threat… most likely scenario, taken out by their own family out of fear they’d all be taken out. It’s ludicrous on multiple levels.. Not just one.

The Ivy Flats Video, the testing of the first micro nuke, the Davy Crockett, is a perfect example of a camera that simply is too slow. Sure, cameras are a lot faster now, so have the travel speeds. They capture erratic images AT BEST when velocity exceeds capture speed images/PIXELS distort. Fact as clearly seen on the Ivy Flats video as soldiers move off train watch what happens to their legs. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nv_q8q6Z9_I

Fake video is only important if one NEEDS to disprove video evidence that a SUPER POWERED IRREGULAR SHAPED, NON WINDOWED ‘COMMERCIAL AIRLINER’ FLEW INTO THE WTCS – INDIRECTLY, without drawing attention to the fact a military aircraft flew into the WTCs. It’s still being done today by so called ‘truthers’. Did the ‘truther orgs’ say? The US government has been caught using its own planes to destroy the WTCs? No everything was silent and then came the need for the ‘fake video’ call.

No Windows in Flight 175 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRC4lCQuBmc&feature=related

Evaluation of Video Footage – for WTC comparisons…

http://911review.org/Wiki/Wtc2PlanePod.shtml

Photo: Boeing N256BA – E-10 MC2A http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3040/2351680318_dcaff7147e_z.jpg?zz=1

Related photos: http://www.spyflight.co.uk/767%20mc2a.htm

There are additional photos in original article ’9 11 Fake Video Stars: The JSTAR Clones. Why Covert Ops Must Have Fake Video 9-11 Fake Video Stars – The JSTAR Clones 10-1-10 Note, the little blue decal up front – one of the WTC witnesses claims to have seen one on the ‘plane that flew into..) BTW, eye witness testimony – the LEAST valuable information WITHOUT additional evidence. http://www.rense.com/general92/911fk.htm

F-4 Phantom at 500 mph into a solid concrete wall http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AB4IEa7jTJw

(Bullets Into Steel – Under pressure and friction metals tend to liquefy) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfFoMyMoiX4

The wall was 12 ft thick, THE PLANE WAS NOT FILLED WITH WATER, but the tanks were to simulate fuel.

“But there was a test similar to what is described above. In 1988, an
unmanned F-4 Phantom, ballasted with water and mounted on rails, was
“flown” into a concrete wall at 480 MPH. As reported, the plane crumpled,
and penetrated only about 2 inches of concrete. A very impressive test -
except it wasn’t meant to be a test of nuclear reactor safety. The wall
the F-4 crashed into was not a simulation of a nuclear plant’s wall. It
was a 12-foot-thick wall mounted on an air cushion. The test was designed to study impact forces by measuring how far the impact would push the wall. Breaking through the concrete was the last thing any of the involved scientists wanted to achieve. Furthermore, the F-4 was ballasted with water to give it the same weight as a plane fully loaded with fuel, and its final weight was 42,000 pounds. Needless to say, crashing a 412,000 pound 767 loaded with fuel into a fixed wall would have slightly different results.

Because according to a 1982 study by the Argonne National Laboratory in Illinois – a study which was conducted by request of the DOE and the NRC – the explosion from a 707 crashing into a containment dome at 466 MPH would probably overwhelm the reactor’s shielding. Note – that’s a 707, which weighs 336,000 pounds. In 1982 those were big jets. But we’ve “advanced” considerably since then. The 767s that were flown into the World Trade Center weighed 80,000 pounds more than that and carried a lot more fuel.

Other studies, again conducted for the NRC at the Lawrence Livermore
National Laboratory, found that a 125,000 pound jet had a 32 % chance of piercing a containment building’s six-foot base and an 84 % chance of
breaking through the dome.” http://everything2.com/user/DejaMorgana/writeups/Nuclear+Power

“A key report, Sugano et al 1992, covers a rocket sled crash experiment using an F-4D Phantom jet fighter impacting into a 10 foot thick reinforced concrete block.

Sandia notes:
The purpose of the test was to determine the impact force, versus time, due to the impact, of a complete F-4 Phantom — including both engines — onto a massive, essentially rigid reinforced concrete target (3.66 meters thick). Previous tests used F-4 engines at similar speeds. The test was not intended to demonstrate the performance (survivability) of any particular type of concrete structure to aircraft impact. The impact occurred at the nominal velocity of 215 meters per second (about 480 mph). The mass of the jet fuel was simulated by water; the effects of fire following such a collision was not a part of the test. The test established that the major impact force was from the engines. The test was performed by Sandia National Laboratories under terms of a contract with the Muto Institute of Structural Mechanics, Inc., of Tokyo.

With very minimal damage to the concrete target block, the plane and its engines were easily converted into small chunks of metal confetti and shrapnel at the physical interface of the two impact objects. Upon initial impact, the follow-on rear portions of the plane yet to make contact retained their shape integrity until their respective impact. (This seriously contradicts claims by Jean-Pierre Desmoulins that the wings of a 757 would have folded forward, as well as claims in the popular press that the wings folded back before entering the “too-small” hole.) The resulting shear caused debris being spread out to the left, right, and rear of the impact locus, having no ability to proceed in their original vector path, having grossly failed the test of strength with the concrete block. However, the wings are wider than the concrete block, so the wingtips are sheared off whole, and they tumble forward after being cleanly separated from the aircraft.

F4 aircraft impacting a solid concrete barrier. Note that the wings and tail do not fold as the nose impacts the concrete. (source: don’t bother moved -http://www.sandia.gov/media/NRgallery00-03.htm)

Sugano (in itself) doesn’t show that a 757 hitting the Pentagon would be turned into confetti and small chunks, but it does show that an F4 was completely destroyed in arguably similar circumstances. Furthermore, it wasn’t anywhere close to an even contest between the wall and the F4. The F4 started with a speed of 215 m/sec — and the tail was still traveling at 185 m/sec when it smashed into the wall. The F4 is a very strongly build aircraft, although at 18 meters long and 19 kg, it’s about a third the length and a fifth the weight of the 757. In terms of comparing what would happen to a 757 versus what happened to the F4, it would be difficult to do an accurate calculation without detailed design information on both aircraft. In a preliminary analysis, the extra length of the 757 means that it has three times the distance to decelerate — but the 757 is also much heavier, so it’s more difficult for the crushing process to supply enough force to decelerate even as rapidly as the F4 did.” http://www.911-strike.com/missing-confetti.htm The article from the ‘pentagon disinformation unit’ counters the information from the ‘WTC no planes disinformation unit’.

Ed Ward, MD – http://edwardmd.wordpress.com/ ;
https://www.facebook.com/EdWardMD3 ; http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EdWard-MD/messages

More US Drill Death in Waco Explosion – Drill Stops for Reality, Again http://edwardmd.wordpress.com/2013/04/28/more-us-drill-death-in-waco-drill-stops-for-reality-again/

Boston Marathon: The Finish Line For US Treason. Drill Death. Everything’s In Place For Police State. by Ed Ward, MD http://edwardmd.wordpress.com/2013/04/16/boston-marathon-the-finish-line-for-us-treason-drill-death-everything-is-in-place-for-police-state-by-ed-ward-md/

Pictures: US Boston Weapon – Both ‘Explosions’ – The Secret of the Pure Fusion Weapon – Li7 – Lithium 7 http://edwardmd.wordpress.com/2013/04/19/photograph-of-boston-fireball-2nd-explosion/

Dr. Ed Ward MD, AS, BS, MD – Reporting and investigating Constitutional abuses of the US government for almost 2 decades. AS, BS in Medical Technology – Minor in Organic Chemistry and Physics, volunteer during the Viet Nam war 6 years stateside active duty ‘med tech’ ‘US Air Farce’ – a decade experience in Medical Technology. MD degree from LSU, New Orleans – 2 decades in the field of General Practice. (My) Articles are also referenced by valid experts in their field.


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For you "no planers" there are other rational explanations other than the planted disinfo (to discredit questions on 911) that there were no planes.(1 image)

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#65. To: ALL (#63) (Edited)

This debate of no-planes vs. planes does no good and is just what the disinfo agents want, division. None of us know the exact truth, and we may never, but we do know that our government and the media are covering it up and we also know that the buildings could not have fallen like that due to fires and the planes hitting them. We know that 19 Muslims didn't take those buildings down, and we know the US government is covering up the truth, so why argue about trivia that hasn't been proven 100% either way when we have a smoking gun in WTC7?

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2013-05-11   20:33:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: PSUSA2 (#64)

Which in turn assumes someone bright enough to make their case. I have apologized to other people on multiple occasions when I was in error. You simply have had to try and manufacture a case out of distortions and unsupported slurs. Much like much of the rest of your drool commentary. However, keep trying I get a charge out of watching you slobber all over the board.

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2013-05-11   20:36:06 ET  (2 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: RickyJ (#65)

This is true.

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Can you demonstrate a single instance in history where incursion by niggers blacks has resulted in excellence, prosperity, or improvement owing to their presence, inventiveness, or disposition?

PSUSA2  posted on  2013-05-11   20:36:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: RickyJ (#65)

This debate of no-planes vs. planes does no good and is just what the disinfo agents want, division. None of us know the exact truth, and we may never, but we do know that our government and the media are covering it up and we also know that the buildings could not have fallen like that due to fires and the planes hitting them. We know that 19 Muslims didn't take those buildings down, and we know the US government is covering up the truth, so why argue about trivia that hasn't been proven 100% either way when we have a smoking gun in WTC7?

Thank You. Exactly my point.

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2013-05-11   20:37:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: PSUSA2, RickyJ (#67) (Edited)

This is true.

Well I disagree with you both and happyly agree to disagree. I know where yall stand and yall seen how I stand recently if you saw that anti Texas isreali day thread....

I can't beat a dead horse with out exhausting myself by I can say we all know the score. :)

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titorite  posted on  2013-05-11   20:39:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: Original_Intent (#66)

I have apologized to other people on multiple occasions when I was in error.

Well if you were talking about "potentials", then you can comfort yourself that you weren't "wrong".

There is nothing to apologize for when one is wrong. An admission is enough. Then if the other person does an Internet Victory Dance, it's on him or her.

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Can you demonstrate a single instance in history where incursion by niggers blacks has resulted in excellence, prosperity, or improvement owing to their presence, inventiveness, or disposition?

PSUSA2  posted on  2013-05-11   20:40:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: titorite (#69)

Hell, I disagree with almost everyone here at one time or another. Disagreements are no big deal, so long as they're honest disagreements.

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Can you demonstrate a single instance in history where incursion by niggers blacks has resulted in excellence, prosperity, or improvement owing to their presence, inventiveness, or disposition?

PSUSA2  posted on  2013-05-11   20:42:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: PSUSA2 (#70)

The problem though is that I never said my predictions were set in stone, but most of what I did predict has come to pass in one form or another. And the level of environmental damage the ecosphere is sustaining is approaching a critical level. Is survival possible? Well, likely but the Hobbesian "Nasty, brutish, and short" also comes to mind.

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2013-05-11   20:46:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: Original_Intent (#72)

We've had population bottlenecks before.

We haven't been good stewards of this planet, but I think we are full of ourselves if we think we can influence the climate. Yes I believe there has been a change, but it's a natural change. This whole GW bullshit is just an example of Rahms' Law, of not letting a crisis go to waste.

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Can you demonstrate a single instance in history where incursion by niggers blacks has resulted in excellence, prosperity, or improvement owing to their presence, inventiveness, or disposition?

PSUSA2  posted on  2013-05-11   20:59:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: titorite (#49) (Edited)

Post 46 should be deleted for it's open nerolingustic attack upon a specific individual.

You remind me of someone's tag line, it goes something like;

A certain kind of person cries out in pain as they strike you in the face. That sort of person be like you...


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-11   22:09:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: titorite, *9-11* (#41)

All your grandstanding aside, do you have anything INTELLIGENT to say about what I originally said?

Do you have ANY real proof of how or why what you say is even possible, where the fact is it would have been MUCH easier and foolproof to actually fly aircraft remotely into the tower, and it wouldn't require the involvement of hundreds of thousands of people from every aspect of the event to conspire together to kill 3000 people with beams from space?

Do you have anything to offer that would explain why the attacks required fake footage of an airplane striking the tower, and having ALL emergency personel involved, all victims and their families involved, and having ALL news media across the world, their engineering staffs, production teams, reporters, cameramen, etc., ALL be involved in this murderous idea?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-11   22:28:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: PSUSA2 (#62)

Fukishima IS an ONGOING world disaster. There IS radiation from it poisoning the entire world.

The Gulf oil spill IS still wreaking damage across the Gulf of Mexico and areas which the Gulf stream passes through. Corexit IS worse than oil, and I'd bet the entire ecosystem in that area is saturated with it.

So what's to argue? Things ARE messed up, and they COULD have been worse, but even if it IS worse than is being reported, do you think they'd tell us?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-11   22:34:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: PSUSA2 (#47)

Some people are too emotionally invested in their own beliefs. It's like a religion. Believe or burn!

Yep. If they're being honest about it that is, which in this case is dubious. Too much drama for it to be real, and that was my earlier point.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-11   22:46:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: GreyLmist (#26)

Me:
You also have the burden of proof of providing facts, not conjecture, allegations, accusations, and doctored videos, to show ANYTHING in the way of valid evidence that planes DID NOT strike the WTC towers on 9/11.

Your side has not done so, but sure scream "disinfo" like little girls when anyone disagrees with you.

You:

The "disinfo" shrillness has been coming mostly from people like you

Take a peek at post #41.

Do you not see any hypocrisy in what you write?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-11   23:02:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: FormerLurker, crazy bitches (#75)

Who cares.

You're wrong and you're nuts and you argue like a crazy bitch.

It's gross.

Hope I haven't offended any crazy bitches.


"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow

wudidiz  posted on  2013-05-11   23:41:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: All (#79)

crazy bitches


"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow

wudidiz  posted on  2013-05-11   23:44:49 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: All (#80)

crazy bitch


"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow

wudidiz  posted on  2013-05-11   23:48:04 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: All (#81)


"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow

wudidiz  posted on  2013-05-11   23:49:14 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: All (#82)

more of same


"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow

wudidiz  posted on  2013-05-11   23:55:46 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: All (#83)


"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow

wudidiz  posted on  2013-05-11   23:56:50 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: Original_Intent (#0)

Why is this bullshit being re-hashed? The only significant official truth about 9- 11 is that two 767s hit the towers.

SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2013-05-12   0:23:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: SKYDRIFTER (#85)

Why is this bullshit being re-hashed? The only significant official truth about 9- 11 is that two 767s hit the towers.

Wanna explain how they did that with out any trace of wake vortex following them into and through the smoke?

Basic laws of aerodynamics.....

Ignorance begets tyranny.

______________________________________

Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) (It's a more positive message)

titorite  posted on  2013-05-12   0:30:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: titorite (#86)

Wanna explain how they did that with out any trace of wake vortex following them into and through the smoke?

Through what smoke?

If you don't know, I'm captain qualified on the 757/767.

Wake turbulence is a feature of a slow-moving aircraft at takeoff and landing speeds 120 - 150 knots; with flaps extended.

The 767's would have been at a minimum airspeed of 250 knots; given that no flaps were extended.

SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2013-05-12   0:38:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: wudidiz (#79)

ME: All your grandstanding aside, do you have anything INTELLIGENT to say about what I originally said?

YOU Who cares.

You're wrong and you're nuts and you argue like a crazy bitch.

And here chimes in another one who can't see himself in the mirror.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-12   0:41:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: wudidiz (#84)

Have any more shit on your harddrive that you feel a need to share with everyone on 4um?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-12   0:43:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: SKYDRIFTER (#87)

Just give it a few hours SKYDRIFTER. I'm sure you'll get a well thought out response.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-12   0:43:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: SKYDRIFTER, Original_Intent, titorite (#85)

The only significant official truth about 9- 11 is that two 767s hit the towers.


"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow

wudidiz  posted on  2013-05-12   0:46:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: wudidiz (#91)

So once again Mr. wud, what the hell is that supposed to prove? That one guy out of millions who were there in the area watching the events unfold appears a bit rehearsed in his responses? Truly, what IS that supposed to prove?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-12   0:52:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: FormerLurker (#92)

a bit rehearsed???

You're dishonest and, like I say, not deserving of my time


"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow

wudidiz  posted on  2013-05-12   0:54:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: wudidiz (#93)

You're dishonest and, like I say, not deserving of my time

Like I said, you need to take a good long hard look in the mirror dude.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-12   1:01:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: SKYDRIFTER (#87) (Edited)

Through what smoke?

If you don't know, I'm captain qualified on the 757/767.

Wake turbulence is a feature of a slow-moving aircraft at takeoff and landing speeds 120 - 150 knots; with flaps extended.

The 767's would have been at a minimum airspeed of 250 knots; given that no flaps were extended.

I want you and EVERYONE to note that I specifically asked you (an alleged qualified pilot captain) about wake vortex.

Not wake turbulence.

Wake vortex happens as an after effect of the wings moving through the air. Like a boat cutting through the water it is always present. It does not "not happen" just because a plane is in take off or landing. It is a feature of all aircraft at all times. It is basic aerodynamics.

How could a person such as yourself be ignorant to this fact?

Are you messing around with me?

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titorite  posted on  2013-05-12   5:03:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: FormerLurker (#94)

Like I said, you need to take a good long hard look in the mirror dude.

No he doesn't Wudidiz is just fine.

You on the otherhand former lurker, are a tyranny worshipping monster.

One more time in case you did not process it in the first reading.

You former Lurker, are a tyranny worshipping monster.

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titorite  posted on  2013-05-12   5:04:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: titorite (#95)

huh


"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow

wudidiz  posted on  2013-05-12   5:26:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: FormerLurker, titorite, christine, Original_Intent, GreyLmist, *9-11* (#96)

I don't expect a reasonable, sensible response from you, so I will post this for anyone else reading. FormerLurker, you keep demanding an answer for how everyone can be in on it if no planes were used. Noone except yourself here has made the claim that in order for a psyop to happen the whole populaton of New York must be conspirators. Noone has insisted that it is impossible for them to have gotten away with exploding the wtc with bombs unless "millions" were in on it. Why must everyone be in on it if there were no planes? It's ludicrous. It doesn't take too many people to do a conspiracy. Most are willing dupes or play only a small part in a chain of command. They're all understanding that to reveal secrets would be a security risk, if not suicidal. They don't hire people that ask pesky questions. Now you're smart enough to know all this. So why do you continue to constantly harrass anyone who disagrees with the points in the official story that you so passionately and tenaciously defend? Why do you seem to have such a personal interest in this argument as if you own it and must protect it. Isn't the truth all that should be important? Since when is the truth movement organized? Who will benefit from regulating discussion? Who's in charge here? You? Why do you have no interest in examining this objectively, you make false claims and don't back them up, you evade direct questions, you've not once yet provided me with any credible witnesses like I've repetitively asked. Your spamming terroristic style is annoying, gross and disgusting. If I had any shame I'd be embarrassed to be posting on the same page as you. You're like a childish bully with no desire for civil discourse, no respect for the truth and an obsessive compulsion to win the argument in your own mind at any cost.


"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow

wudidiz  posted on  2013-05-12   6:29:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: titorite (#86)

Wanna explain how they did that with out any trace of wake vortex following them into and through the smoke?

Show where the 2nd plane flew thru any smoke.

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PSUSA2  posted on  2013-05-12   7:25:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: PSUSA2 (#99)

Wake vortex follows the plane Pusa.

The Planes are not the point of focus. The vortex of wind the is made by the wings splice through the air creating uneven currents of air pressure is the focus.

The wake.

Planes slam into buildings creating explosion, fire, smoke, yada yada.

Just like the wake of a boat that scuttles into land it did not just dissappear. The wake should be visible on all cameras on all film footage.

The text book "swirl" that makes all those con/chemtrails spiraled. ... It should be clearly evident in the smoke and explosions of the days event.

If you know about it then you get nagged by the question.

The more you know the less of a hold tyranny has on you.

Ignorance begets tyranny. I had to learn alot all about this. Now that I have learned stuff I share what I have learned that so that others will be free from the ignorance.

Or at least I try.

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titorite  posted on  2013-05-12   7:36:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: titorite (#100) (Edited)

You didn't answer my question.

In order for there to be any visible "swirl" caused by wingtip vortices, it must fly thru a medium such as smoke.

Show where the 2nd plane flew thru smoke.

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PSUSA2  posted on  2013-05-12   7:42:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: PSUSA2 (#101)

No no no....

First of all the effect is present whether smoke is there or not... Smoke does not make the vortex.

Flying does.

You know the birds that fly in a V formation... you can't see their lift but you know why they fly in a V. (Right?)

You are correct about me explaining the thing with out showing you a picture.

I can not show you a picture because their isn't one. That is my problem.

Their should be lots of examples of the wake Vortex slamming into the fireball explosion and subsequent smoke.

The fireball should swirled like an airplane crash... not bloosomed like a typical ordinance explosion.

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titorite  posted on  2013-05-12   7:47:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: All (#102) (Edited)

OK let me try the bathtub method.

We have all seen the whirlpool in a bath tub. Now when we pull the plug to the drain that vortex forms right away. We could put red food coloring into the water near the drain and see it before the water levels get all the way down to the bottom of the bathtub.

The whirlpool spiral vortex into the drain is always there even if their is no food coloring dye to show it off.

Same is true of wake vortex for planes.

Even if their is no smoke to show it off, the effect is still present.

One effect forms going down a drain the other effect forms following a plane.

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titorite  posted on  2013-05-12   7:51:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: titorite (#102)

First of all the effect is present whether smoke is there or not... Smoke does not make the vortex.

Yes I know.

Are you saying that the wingtip vortices continue moving forward after the plane crashes?

It's caused by movement. When movement stops, vortices stop. Do you dispute that? It sounds like you do.

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PSUSA2  posted on  2013-05-12   7:53:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: PSUSA2 (#104)

Ok... follow me here like the wake vortex follows a plane.

As a plane flys it is creating a votex of air current that follows it.

It crashed. No new vortex is created. The vortex behind it does not stop existing though... No it follows the direction of forward and outward as it was created until dissipation.... which can take several minutes.

The wind wake should of blasted into those explosions.

I can not show you a picture of this.

That is the problem.

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titorite  posted on  2013-05-12   7:58:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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