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Title: 9 11 Fake Video Stars: The J Star Clones – Why Covert Operation’s Cointel Must Have ‘Fake’ Video and ‘No Planes’
Source: Ed Ward, MD's Blog: US Tyranny & Treason
URL Source: http://edwardmd.wordpress.com/
Published: May 5, 2013
Author: Ed Ward M.D.
Post Date: 2013-05-05 20:49:50 by Original_Intent
Keywords: planes, no-planes, 911, towers
Views: 28519
Comments: 451

9 11 Fake Video Stars: The J Star Clones – Why Covert Operation’s Cointel Must Have ‘Fake’ Video and ‘No Planes’

9 11 Fake Video Stars: The J Star Clones - Why Covert Operation's Cointel Must Have 'Fake' Video

US Government Problem: Video of the planes needed to actually fly into the WTCs are readily available to the public.

US Government Solution: Promote the Videos as ‘fake’ based on ‘pixel’ BS – This solves the ‘evidence’ problem while never noting that the planes are NOT commercial airliners – which are not structurally capable of performing the tasks and look nothing like the photographic proof that commercial airliners are ‘not in the picture’ and US Government Military Planes are ‘in the picture’. Actually, an excellent scam premise when pumped out by the covert op truth troops.

Wingtips say B 767-400ERE-10A is THE CLONE USED to fly into the WTCs – Unless someone has a version that matches the video better.

The videos show that a Boeing 767-400ER E-10A was the supposed Super-Powered’ Commercial Airliner’. (One of these all very similar clones is clearly seen – one version of these clones has the ‘swept’ back wingtips used to discredit the video as fakery by some… Boeing 767-400ER E-10A) All early videos show the pod and the swept back wing – Recently, I’ve seen newer posts of truth videos in which the planes have neither.

Something that is fake can prove nothing, except that it is fake. It can not prove whether, how, or even if an actual event happened or not. Of course for this premise of ‘fake’ video proving anything one must also believe that during planning…

Someone says, since the plan is to use hijacked airliners, “Hey, let’s not use real planes. Let’s truck the plane parts in, crews to lay them out, people to say they saw planes, etc, et al, and just make some fake videos of planes going into the towers. Now, when we make these fake videos, instead of photoshopping in a commercial airliner with windows, we’ll photoshop in the plane needed to actually do it. Everybody high fives and says, ‘yeah, it’s just our lives on the line for treason.’ ”

Next day, the moron is no longer a threat… most likely scenario, taken out by their own family out of fear they’d all be taken out. It’s ludicrous on multiple levels.. Not just one.

The Ivy Flats Video, the testing of the first micro nuke, the Davy Crockett, is a perfect example of a camera that simply is too slow. Sure, cameras are a lot faster now, so have the travel speeds. They capture erratic images AT BEST when velocity exceeds capture speed images/PIXELS distort. Fact as clearly seen on the Ivy Flats video as soldiers move off train watch what happens to their legs. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nv_q8q6Z9_I

Fake video is only important if one NEEDS to disprove video evidence that a SUPER POWERED IRREGULAR SHAPED, NON WINDOWED ‘COMMERCIAL AIRLINER’ FLEW INTO THE WTCS – INDIRECTLY, without drawing attention to the fact a military aircraft flew into the WTCs. It’s still being done today by so called ‘truthers’. Did the ‘truther orgs’ say? The US government has been caught using its own planes to destroy the WTCs? No everything was silent and then came the need for the ‘fake video’ call.

No Windows in Flight 175 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRC4lCQuBmc&feature=related

Evaluation of Video Footage – for WTC comparisons…

http://911review.org/Wiki/Wtc2PlanePod.shtml

Photo: Boeing N256BA – E-10 MC2A http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3040/2351680318_dcaff7147e_z.jpg?zz=1

Related photos: http://www.spyflight.co.uk/767%20mc2a.htm

There are additional photos in original article ’9 11 Fake Video Stars: The JSTAR Clones. Why Covert Ops Must Have Fake Video 9-11 Fake Video Stars – The JSTAR Clones 10-1-10 Note, the little blue decal up front – one of the WTC witnesses claims to have seen one on the ‘plane that flew into..) BTW, eye witness testimony – the LEAST valuable information WITHOUT additional evidence. http://www.rense.com/general92/911fk.htm

F-4 Phantom at 500 mph into a solid concrete wall http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AB4IEa7jTJw

(Bullets Into Steel – Under pressure and friction metals tend to liquefy) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfFoMyMoiX4

The wall was 12 ft thick, THE PLANE WAS NOT FILLED WITH WATER, but the tanks were to simulate fuel.

“But there was a test similar to what is described above. In 1988, an
unmanned F-4 Phantom, ballasted with water and mounted on rails, was
“flown” into a concrete wall at 480 MPH. As reported, the plane crumpled,
and penetrated only about 2 inches of concrete. A very impressive test -
except it wasn’t meant to be a test of nuclear reactor safety. The wall
the F-4 crashed into was not a simulation of a nuclear plant’s wall. It
was a 12-foot-thick wall mounted on an air cushion. The test was designed to study impact forces by measuring how far the impact would push the wall. Breaking through the concrete was the last thing any of the involved scientists wanted to achieve. Furthermore, the F-4 was ballasted with water to give it the same weight as a plane fully loaded with fuel, and its final weight was 42,000 pounds. Needless to say, crashing a 412,000 pound 767 loaded with fuel into a fixed wall would have slightly different results.

Because according to a 1982 study by the Argonne National Laboratory in Illinois – a study which was conducted by request of the DOE and the NRC – the explosion from a 707 crashing into a containment dome at 466 MPH would probably overwhelm the reactor’s shielding. Note – that’s a 707, which weighs 336,000 pounds. In 1982 those were big jets. But we’ve “advanced” considerably since then. The 767s that were flown into the World Trade Center weighed 80,000 pounds more than that and carried a lot more fuel.

Other studies, again conducted for the NRC at the Lawrence Livermore
National Laboratory, found that a 125,000 pound jet had a 32 % chance of piercing a containment building’s six-foot base and an 84 % chance of
breaking through the dome.” http://everything2.com/user/DejaMorgana/writeups/Nuclear+Power

“A key report, Sugano et al 1992, covers a rocket sled crash experiment using an F-4D Phantom jet fighter impacting into a 10 foot thick reinforced concrete block.

Sandia notes:
The purpose of the test was to determine the impact force, versus time, due to the impact, of a complete F-4 Phantom — including both engines — onto a massive, essentially rigid reinforced concrete target (3.66 meters thick). Previous tests used F-4 engines at similar speeds. The test was not intended to demonstrate the performance (survivability) of any particular type of concrete structure to aircraft impact. The impact occurred at the nominal velocity of 215 meters per second (about 480 mph). The mass of the jet fuel was simulated by water; the effects of fire following such a collision was not a part of the test. The test established that the major impact force was from the engines. The test was performed by Sandia National Laboratories under terms of a contract with the Muto Institute of Structural Mechanics, Inc., of Tokyo.

With very minimal damage to the concrete target block, the plane and its engines were easily converted into small chunks of metal confetti and shrapnel at the physical interface of the two impact objects. Upon initial impact, the follow-on rear portions of the plane yet to make contact retained their shape integrity until their respective impact. (This seriously contradicts claims by Jean-Pierre Desmoulins that the wings of a 757 would have folded forward, as well as claims in the popular press that the wings folded back before entering the “too-small” hole.) The resulting shear caused debris being spread out to the left, right, and rear of the impact locus, having no ability to proceed in their original vector path, having grossly failed the test of strength with the concrete block. However, the wings are wider than the concrete block, so the wingtips are sheared off whole, and they tumble forward after being cleanly separated from the aircraft.

F4 aircraft impacting a solid concrete barrier. Note that the wings and tail do not fold as the nose impacts the concrete. (source: don’t bother moved -http://www.sandia.gov/media/NRgallery00-03.htm)

Sugano (in itself) doesn’t show that a 757 hitting the Pentagon would be turned into confetti and small chunks, but it does show that an F4 was completely destroyed in arguably similar circumstances. Furthermore, it wasn’t anywhere close to an even contest between the wall and the F4. The F4 started with a speed of 215 m/sec — and the tail was still traveling at 185 m/sec when it smashed into the wall. The F4 is a very strongly build aircraft, although at 18 meters long and 19 kg, it’s about a third the length and a fifth the weight of the 757. In terms of comparing what would happen to a 757 versus what happened to the F4, it would be difficult to do an accurate calculation without detailed design information on both aircraft. In a preliminary analysis, the extra length of the 757 means that it has three times the distance to decelerate — but the 757 is also much heavier, so it’s more difficult for the crushing process to supply enough force to decelerate even as rapidly as the F4 did.” http://www.911-strike.com/missing-confetti.htm The article from the ‘pentagon disinformation unit’ counters the information from the ‘WTC no planes disinformation unit’.

Ed Ward, MD – http://edwardmd.wordpress.com/ ;
https://www.facebook.com/EdWardMD3 ; http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EdWard-MD/messages

More US Drill Death in Waco Explosion – Drill Stops for Reality, Again http://edwardmd.wordpress.com/2013/04/28/more-us-drill-death-in-waco-drill-stops-for-reality-again/

Boston Marathon: The Finish Line For US Treason. Drill Death. Everything’s In Place For Police State. by Ed Ward, MD http://edwardmd.wordpress.com/2013/04/16/boston-marathon-the-finish-line-for-us-treason-drill-death-everything-is-in-place-for-police-state-by-ed-ward-md/

Pictures: US Boston Weapon – Both ‘Explosions’ – The Secret of the Pure Fusion Weapon – Li7 – Lithium 7 http://edwardmd.wordpress.com/2013/04/19/photograph-of-boston-fireball-2nd-explosion/

Dr. Ed Ward MD, AS, BS, MD – Reporting and investigating Constitutional abuses of the US government for almost 2 decades. AS, BS in Medical Technology – Minor in Organic Chemistry and Physics, volunteer during the Viet Nam war 6 years stateside active duty ‘med tech’ ‘US Air Farce’ – a decade experience in Medical Technology. MD degree from LSU, New Orleans – 2 decades in the field of General Practice. (My) Articles are also referenced by valid experts in their field.


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For you "no planers" there are other rational explanations other than the planted disinfo (to discredit questions on 911) that there were no planes.(1 image)

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#152. To: titorite, SKYDRIFTER, *9-11* (#146)

I think calling me a disinformation agent is pretty fucking stupid when you can call me or text me. When people here know me. I think calling me "attack sport" is indicative of your true intent here. I don't have any "supporters" here. I have friends here. I hope you leave my friends the hell alone regardless of your reasons you might make up for fucking with them. My friends are not to be fucked with.

Some of us have known each other for a LONG time before you showed your face on this forum.

It's clear to US that you are not interested in any sort of "truth", your only concern is to attack those who are.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-12   17:51:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#153. To: FormerLurker, PUSA2 (#152)

Some of us have known each other for a LONG time before you showed your face on this forum.

No way.

You shouldn't make a dick measuring contest outta this FL. You won't win.

ANYWAYS ,

I found a neat vid showing of the wake vortex effect here

cospilot.wordpress.com/20...ake-turbulence-explained/

And in it you can see the formation of the vortex and that once it is created it is self sustaining for a bit... lingering if you will... and should that plane crash into a wall its wake vortex will follow it into that wall.

Don't listen to the like of FL.. it does not magically appear if the plane explodes or stops suddenly.

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titorite  posted on  2013-05-12   17:55:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#154. To: titorite, SKYDRIFTER (#148)

See now that is why you should not listen to this man... he has no fucking clue what he is talking about... Pusa I think you already know the votices follow the wings and not the plane...

AND

I think you know that the effect can linger... and that it follows the plane with its own momentum once created.

And what former lurker suggests their violates that laws of motion

Did you ever graduate Jr. High?

The vortices are circular currents of air formed BEHIND THE PLANE, they are not jet streams which travel along with the plane with any sort of forward velocity.

Oh, but you know more than airline pilots and others who have studied these matter WELL beyond anything you could ever possibly fathom.

Who taught you this sort of "science", Jim Fetzer?

Do you even have a clue as to what the "Laws of Motion" are?

What sort of force causes the air currents to form in the first place? Do you even know that?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-12   17:56:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#155. To: titorite (#153)

No way.

And no way are you rustyrail from LP. You are an imposter.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-12   17:56:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#156. To: titorite (#153)

Don't listen to the like of FL..

Uh huh. Professor titOR ite has spoken, so everyone obey his words because, well, he orders it.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-12   17:58:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#157. To: FormerLurker (#154)

The vortices are circular currents of air formed BEHIND THE PLANE, they are not jet streams which travel along with the plane with any sort of forward velocity.

LOL.

Better to keep your mouth shut and be thought of as a fool rather than to open your mouth and prove it.

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titorite  posted on  2013-05-12   17:58:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#158. To: titorite (#153)

So again, do you have ANY sort of proof that the hundreds of thousands of people who watched the events unfold live in front of their eyes are LYING, and that they all conspired together to murder 3000 people that morning?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-12   18:00:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#159. To: titorite (#157)

Better to keep your mouth shut and be thought of as a fool rather than to open your mouth and prove it.

You've already displayed your stupidity here, so you may want to heed your own advice.

But if you wish to continue, go ahead and explain how wing vortices are formed. And oh yeah, try to get the spelling right if you don't want people to think that you never even finished elementary school.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-12   18:01:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#160. To: FormerLurker, christine, wudidiz, GreyLmist, PUSA2, EVERYONE (#155)

And no way are you rustyrail from LP. You are an imposter.

That is correct.

its Rale boot licker.

not rail.

And just how do you know this information?

Is it saved to your hard drive?

What the fuck are you doing keeping such old information on people.

Fuck you tyranny lover.

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titorite  posted on  2013-05-12   18:04:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#161. To: titorite (#160)

You posted that information along the way, or made that claim at least.

As far as "tyranny lover", I'm sure you've handed over some info to your handlers as far as personal info on some here who believe you're really just an immature innocent little thing whose "heart" is in the "right place".


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-12   18:13:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#162. To: FormerLurker (#161) (Edited)

What are you doing with any information about me sitting right by your side?

Stop gathering information about members here.

Its creepy as fucking sin.

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titorite  posted on  2013-05-12   18:14:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#163. To: titorite (#160)

Again, it's quite obvious that you're not here to learn anything or search for truth, you're here to discredit those who ARE. Your form of "debate" revolves around INSISTING that you're smarter than pilots and everyone else, then hurling insults and accusations if they don't lick your boots.

Keep it up, I'm sure you'll win new converts.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-12   18:16:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#164. To: titorite (#162)

Stop posting shit about yourself you'd rather keep private, and stop acting like such a drama queen.

But no, I don't think you really are rustyrail. He seemed like a decent enough guy, but then again I've haven't really spoken to him for years, so if it IS you, what sort of drugs have you done that made you lose your mind?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-12   18:18:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#165. To: titorite (#162)

Oh my mistake, it wasn't rustyrail, it was rustynail.

I doubt you are him.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-12   18:21:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#166. To: FormerLurker, christine (#164)

But no, I don't think you really are rustyrail.

Christine I think this problem is worth your time and attention. When you get the time to pay attention. I know you're a busy girl.

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titorite  posted on  2013-05-12   18:24:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#167. To: titorite (#150)

Again , these vortices can be miles long.

Yes I know. You are stating the obvious.

How does that tie in with no planes? Please be concise. Start another thread if you want, because this thread is a mess.

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PSUSA2  posted on  2013-05-12   18:26:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#168. To: titorite, christine (#166)

Christine I think this problem is worth your time and attention. When you get the time to pay attention. I know you're a busy girl.

I think you are a liar and a swindler.

As far as your claims here on this forum of being another poster on LP, I think you are lying about THAT, although you HAVE posted that claim ON the forum in full view.

So stop acting all butthurt over something YOU did.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-12   18:27:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#169. To: FormerLurker (#165)

Oh my mistake, it wasn't rustyrail, it was rustynail.

I doubt you are him.

So what is this you showing off your ballz?

This clever little tactic does not excuse the action you meant to set into motion.

Of late your screen account has made me ponder... is it really good to kick out the known disinformation agents..

The known information gatherers.

If we kick out the thugs they can re-register over and over. But if we let them be all they can do is pass around their active account. ....Sometimes though...

Sometimes a line may be crossed and the question should be put up again...

What is better.. to keep em here under our nose where we can see em or to toss them to the curb and pray for traffic?

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titorite  posted on  2013-05-12   18:30:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#170. To: PSUSA2 (#167)

If you ping me with a PM you can hold me too it. Otherwise I might lose track... and I'd like to try.

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titorite  posted on  2013-05-12   18:32:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#171. To: titorite (#169)

As I said, you are not here to debate, you are here to attack those who DO provide factual information, then act all butthurt when you're called on your own bullshit.

And oh yes, you MUST hurl the lies, accusations, and drama.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-12   18:34:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#172. To: FormerLurker (#171)

Former Lurker Are you or are you not the one accusing me and interrogating me over whether or not I might be another poster on another forum?

Why are you trying to gather information on me?

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titorite  posted on  2013-05-12   18:41:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#173. To: titorite, Christine, FormerLurker, Lod, Artisian, Wudidiz, GreyLmist, IRTorqued, Robin, StephenLendman, Original_Intent, RickyJ, Tartarwitz, BTPHoldings, itisalreadytolate (#146)

I think Pusa has known me longer then he has had a 2 in his name and darn sure longer than you have been a member here Skydrifter.

I think calling me a disinformation agent is pretty fucking stupid when you can call me or text me. When people here know me.

I think calling me "attack sport" is indicative of your true intent here.

I don't have any "supporters" here. I have friends here.

I hope you leave my friends the hell alone regardless of your reasons you might make up for fucking with them. My friends are not to be fucked with.

You wanna think differently , thats fine. Lord knows Pusa Thinks differently... as do others.

Threats to attack me or my friends is total bullshit. I might make a bunch of quips and sarcastic remarks from time to time however you won't find me resorting to empty petty threats ...it is beneath me. So please , do not attack. It ain't welcome.

I haven't seen such amateurish application of semantics and context-shifting in a while. So mote it be.

It may have been a mistake, but out of reasonable respect, I gave you a competent answer to your "wake vortex" issue; and more. I began with an apology. Any truly decent person would have thanked me; or possibly asked for further clarification. In similar respect I cautioned you; I didn't "call" anyone anything. Instead of appropriately responding, you chose to fly your true colors. That's ironically to be appreciated.

You don't seem to know much about my 4-um 'seniority' or the magnitude of respect which I have always commanded among those who are to be counted as fact and truth seekers. I doubt that my history has any meaning to you; but that makes no difference to me.

As to your impotent childish and vitriolic drivel; bad move! OR, to be more accurate, "... another bad move!" You're best advised to choose your next words and attitude very carefully. If in doubt, ask Christine.

BAC to you.


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2013-05-12   18:49:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#174. To: titorite (#172)

You claimed both myself and SKYDRIFTER are newcomers here compared to you, and that you are "friends" with everyone here.

I simply pointed out that we've been around MUCH longer than you, and your claims that you were some other poster on LP is a load of shit.

As far as WHERE you made that claim, it was somewhere on this forum, I didn't save the link but I should have just to hold it in plain view of everyone here.

If I come across it I'll be sure to bring it to your attention. Or are you going to retract the claim and admit that you are not who you claimed to be?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-12   18:52:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#175. To: SKYDRIFTER (#173)

I think you need to spend less time threatening people bubba.

And it is a sin of pride to think that much of yourself.

Just FYI.

ALSO

WAKE VORTEX DOES HAVE FORWARD A MOMENTUM.

If you were really a pilot you'd know that. Otherwise you can read the equations on the NASA link Pusa provided much much earlier. The numbers explaining your mistake properly are there.

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titorite  posted on  2013-05-12   18:54:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#176. To: SKYDRIFTER (#173)

BAC to you.

Well chosen words.. LOL

Thing is BAC was MAGNITUDES more intelligent, and infinitely more polite.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-12   18:54:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#177. To: FormerLurker (#174)

NO NO NO.

You are using a bad context FL.. I told you that one is not allowed to use NLP like that.

It is obvious and it will bite you on the ass.

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titorite  posted on  2013-05-12   18:55:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#178. To: titorite (#175)

If you were really a pilot you'd know that.

Everyone here who's been in touch with this forum over the years already know that SKYDRIFTER IS a real pilot.

He's quite famous actually.

You are a nobody.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-12   18:55:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#179. To: FormerLurker (#154)

Who taught you this sort of "science", Jim Fetzer?

That's a truly prominent name in the "no-planes" issue; another persistent but sore loser. I suspect he still loses sleep every time my name pops up.


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2013-05-12   18:58:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#180. To: FormerLurker (#178)

Yeah, everyone online is someone famous.

I'm sure.

I am also sure wake vortex will follow a plane into a wall.

HOPEFULLY SKYDRIFTER will recant and admit to this as well....

But I am not holding my breath.

Also I like being a nobody. So that happened.

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titorite  posted on  2013-05-12   18:58:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#181. To: SKYDRIFTER (#179)

What is your real name John Lear?

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titorite  posted on  2013-05-12   18:59:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#182. To: SKYDRIFTER (#179)

That's a truly prominent name in the "no-planes" issue; another persistent but sore loser. I suspect he still loses sleep every time my name pops up.

He's apparently started a religion over this crap, whose worshippers cling to every word out of his mouth as if he were Jim Jones.

I wonder when they'll be drinking the extra special Kool-Aid. Oh wait...


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-12   19:01:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#183. To: titorite (#170) (Edited)

If you ping me with a PM you can hold me too it. Otherwise I might lose track... and I'd like to try.

Well, do your part and quit with the crap, and state your case.

People are trying to manoeuver for the kill, but this is a dogfight that no one will win.

Stay on target...

If the facts are on your side, then the facts are on your side. If they're not, they're not.

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Can you demonstrate a single instance in history where incursion by niggers blacks has resulted in excellence, prosperity, or improvement owing to their presence, inventiveness, or disposition?

PSUSA2  posted on  2013-05-12   19:10:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#184. To: SKYDRIFTER (#141) (Edited)

You’re on the verge of becoming everyday automatic “attack sport;” as are any of your seeming supporters.

"Attack sport" targeting No Planers is the purpose of this thread.

If you’re truly interested in 9-11 “no-planes” facts; look to the 9-11 Pentagon and Shanksville. Those locations offer some of the most powerful truth to argue “inside-job.” The same WTC “no-planes” ignoramuses, fools, idiots and disinformationists won’t or can’t go there – for obvious reasons.

I don't know where you got that impression but let's move the jet airflow discussion to the Pentagon site for a moment and over the cars on the highway. If a high speed jet stream can flip planes, what's your thoughts on the impact of that or not to those cars?

Edited first sentence of last paragraph for grammar + 2nd quote section for strikethrough, spacing and highlighting.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-05-12   19:15:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#185. To: titorite, PSUSA2, FormerLurker (#181)

What is your real name John Lear?

The question speaks to your intellectual limitations. A strong indication that you're not going to like what's coming at you.

SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2013-05-12   19:40:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#186. To: titorite, FormerLurker (#166)

Christine I think this problem is worth your time and attention. When you get the time to pay attention. I know you're a busy girl.

You whine like a little girl; bad move.


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2013-05-12   19:46:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#187. To: GreyLmist (#184)

I don't know where you got that impression but let's move the jet airflow discussion to the Pentagon site for a moment and over the cars on the highway. If a high speed jet stream can flip planes, what's your thoughts on the impact of that or not to those cars?

I'm not aware of a case of high speed airfoil related forces flipping cars. Certainly not at the 9-11 Pentagon scenario - there is no viable evidence of an aircraft; as 'officially' claimed.

In an independent scenario, the engine thrust, well above idle thrust, of a parked jet transport can flip cars if they are close enough; that's evident in history.


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2013-05-12   19:59:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#188. To: titorite, FormerLurker (#153)

ANYWAYS ,

I found a neat vid showing of the wake vortex effect here

cospilot.wordpress.com/20...ake-turbulence-explained/

Titorite, you dumb shit, you referred to a "wake turbulence" site. Not the same critter as "wake vortex;" Duh'oh!

By the way, where are all those "friends" you mentioned? OR, have you embarrassed them that badly? Nobody likes a dumb shit or a loser; you're both.

You've already been advised by a trusted name to back off; listen - don't think - just listen to obviously good advice.


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2013-05-12   20:37:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#189. To: SKYDRIFTER, titorite (#141)

Please be advised that my aviation credentials are factual; not “alleged.” Comparably, your bullshit “no-planes” assertions are factual; not “alleged.”

The WTC “no-planes” issue has been competently debunked from early on. Only ignoramuses, fools, idiots and disinformationists go there.

If you’re truly interested in 9-11 “no-planes” facts; look to the 9-11 Pentagon and Shanksville. Those locations offer some of the most powerful truth to argue “inside-job.” The same WTC “no-planes” ignoramuses, fools, idiots and disinformationists won’t or can’t go there – for obvious reasons.

If you need or want a competent and detailed account of 9-11, please pack a big lunch and see:

“9-11 and the Truth”

I've read this. Very impressive, thank you.

According to the official line as conveyed through the media, 4 airliners crashed on 9/11.

We agree no plane hit the pentagon and no plane crashed in shanksville?

What gives you the idea a plane hit the wtc?

I mean, if a prosecutor were arguing a case to a jury, what evidence are you aware of that could be presented to prove a plane hit the wtc?


"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow

wudidiz  posted on  2013-05-12   20:53:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#190. To: SKYDRIFTER, titorite, *No Planers*, *9-11* (#188)

referred to a "wake turbulence" site. Not the same critter as "wake vortex;"

Internet says it's the same thing?


"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow

wudidiz  posted on  2013-05-12   20:56:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#191. To: SKYDRIFTER (#188)

Nobody likes a dumb shit or a loser; you're both.

I am both a loser and a dumb shit according to your foolish words

You know nothing but you come off like this and you think you are deserving of my respect.

Degenerate.

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titorite  posted on  2013-05-12   21:18:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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