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Title: 9 11 Fake Video Stars: The J Star Clones – Why Covert Operation’s Cointel Must Have ‘Fake’ Video and ‘No Planes’
Source: Ed Ward, MD's Blog: US Tyranny & Treason
URL Source: http://edwardmd.wordpress.com/
Published: May 5, 2013
Author: Ed Ward M.D.
Post Date: 2013-05-05 20:49:50 by Original_Intent
Keywords: planes, no-planes, 911, towers
Views: 28477
Comments: 451

9 11 Fake Video Stars: The J Star Clones – Why Covert Operation’s Cointel Must Have ‘Fake’ Video and ‘No Planes’

9 11 Fake Video Stars: The J Star Clones - Why Covert Operation's Cointel Must Have 'Fake' Video

US Government Problem: Video of the planes needed to actually fly into the WTCs are readily available to the public.

US Government Solution: Promote the Videos as ‘fake’ based on ‘pixel’ BS – This solves the ‘evidence’ problem while never noting that the planes are NOT commercial airliners – which are not structurally capable of performing the tasks and look nothing like the photographic proof that commercial airliners are ‘not in the picture’ and US Government Military Planes are ‘in the picture’. Actually, an excellent scam premise when pumped out by the covert op truth troops.

Wingtips say B 767-400ERE-10A is THE CLONE USED to fly into the WTCs – Unless someone has a version that matches the video better.

The videos show that a Boeing 767-400ER E-10A was the supposed Super-Powered’ Commercial Airliner’. (One of these all very similar clones is clearly seen – one version of these clones has the ‘swept’ back wingtips used to discredit the video as fakery by some… Boeing 767-400ER E-10A) All early videos show the pod and the swept back wing – Recently, I’ve seen newer posts of truth videos in which the planes have neither.

Something that is fake can prove nothing, except that it is fake. It can not prove whether, how, or even if an actual event happened or not. Of course for this premise of ‘fake’ video proving anything one must also believe that during planning…

Someone says, since the plan is to use hijacked airliners, “Hey, let’s not use real planes. Let’s truck the plane parts in, crews to lay them out, people to say they saw planes, etc, et al, and just make some fake videos of planes going into the towers. Now, when we make these fake videos, instead of photoshopping in a commercial airliner with windows, we’ll photoshop in the plane needed to actually do it. Everybody high fives and says, ‘yeah, it’s just our lives on the line for treason.’ ”

Next day, the moron is no longer a threat… most likely scenario, taken out by their own family out of fear they’d all be taken out. It’s ludicrous on multiple levels.. Not just one.

The Ivy Flats Video, the testing of the first micro nuke, the Davy Crockett, is a perfect example of a camera that simply is too slow. Sure, cameras are a lot faster now, so have the travel speeds. They capture erratic images AT BEST when velocity exceeds capture speed images/PIXELS distort. Fact as clearly seen on the Ivy Flats video as soldiers move off train watch what happens to their legs. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nv_q8q6Z9_I

Fake video is only important if one NEEDS to disprove video evidence that a SUPER POWERED IRREGULAR SHAPED, NON WINDOWED ‘COMMERCIAL AIRLINER’ FLEW INTO THE WTCS – INDIRECTLY, without drawing attention to the fact a military aircraft flew into the WTCs. It’s still being done today by so called ‘truthers’. Did the ‘truther orgs’ say? The US government has been caught using its own planes to destroy the WTCs? No everything was silent and then came the need for the ‘fake video’ call.

No Windows in Flight 175 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRC4lCQuBmc&feature=related

Evaluation of Video Footage – for WTC comparisons…

http://911review.org/Wiki/Wtc2PlanePod.shtml

Photo: Boeing N256BA – E-10 MC2A http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3040/2351680318_dcaff7147e_z.jpg?zz=1

Related photos: http://www.spyflight.co.uk/767%20mc2a.htm

There are additional photos in original article ’9 11 Fake Video Stars: The JSTAR Clones. Why Covert Ops Must Have Fake Video 9-11 Fake Video Stars – The JSTAR Clones 10-1-10 Note, the little blue decal up front – one of the WTC witnesses claims to have seen one on the ‘plane that flew into..) BTW, eye witness testimony – the LEAST valuable information WITHOUT additional evidence. http://www.rense.com/general92/911fk.htm

F-4 Phantom at 500 mph into a solid concrete wall http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AB4IEa7jTJw

(Bullets Into Steel – Under pressure and friction metals tend to liquefy) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfFoMyMoiX4

The wall was 12 ft thick, THE PLANE WAS NOT FILLED WITH WATER, but the tanks were to simulate fuel.

“But there was a test similar to what is described above. In 1988, an
unmanned F-4 Phantom, ballasted with water and mounted on rails, was
“flown” into a concrete wall at 480 MPH. As reported, the plane crumpled,
and penetrated only about 2 inches of concrete. A very impressive test -
except it wasn’t meant to be a test of nuclear reactor safety. The wall
the F-4 crashed into was not a simulation of a nuclear plant’s wall. It
was a 12-foot-thick wall mounted on an air cushion. The test was designed to study impact forces by measuring how far the impact would push the wall. Breaking through the concrete was the last thing any of the involved scientists wanted to achieve. Furthermore, the F-4 was ballasted with water to give it the same weight as a plane fully loaded with fuel, and its final weight was 42,000 pounds. Needless to say, crashing a 412,000 pound 767 loaded with fuel into a fixed wall would have slightly different results.

Because according to a 1982 study by the Argonne National Laboratory in Illinois – a study which was conducted by request of the DOE and the NRC – the explosion from a 707 crashing into a containment dome at 466 MPH would probably overwhelm the reactor’s shielding. Note – that’s a 707, which weighs 336,000 pounds. In 1982 those were big jets. But we’ve “advanced” considerably since then. The 767s that were flown into the World Trade Center weighed 80,000 pounds more than that and carried a lot more fuel.

Other studies, again conducted for the NRC at the Lawrence Livermore
National Laboratory, found that a 125,000 pound jet had a 32 % chance of piercing a containment building’s six-foot base and an 84 % chance of
breaking through the dome.” http://everything2.com/user/DejaMorgana/writeups/Nuclear+Power

“A key report, Sugano et al 1992, covers a rocket sled crash experiment using an F-4D Phantom jet fighter impacting into a 10 foot thick reinforced concrete block.

Sandia notes:
The purpose of the test was to determine the impact force, versus time, due to the impact, of a complete F-4 Phantom — including both engines — onto a massive, essentially rigid reinforced concrete target (3.66 meters thick). Previous tests used F-4 engines at similar speeds. The test was not intended to demonstrate the performance (survivability) of any particular type of concrete structure to aircraft impact. The impact occurred at the nominal velocity of 215 meters per second (about 480 mph). The mass of the jet fuel was simulated by water; the effects of fire following such a collision was not a part of the test. The test established that the major impact force was from the engines. The test was performed by Sandia National Laboratories under terms of a contract with the Muto Institute of Structural Mechanics, Inc., of Tokyo.

With very minimal damage to the concrete target block, the plane and its engines were easily converted into small chunks of metal confetti and shrapnel at the physical interface of the two impact objects. Upon initial impact, the follow-on rear portions of the plane yet to make contact retained their shape integrity until their respective impact. (This seriously contradicts claims by Jean-Pierre Desmoulins that the wings of a 757 would have folded forward, as well as claims in the popular press that the wings folded back before entering the “too-small” hole.) The resulting shear caused debris being spread out to the left, right, and rear of the impact locus, having no ability to proceed in their original vector path, having grossly failed the test of strength with the concrete block. However, the wings are wider than the concrete block, so the wingtips are sheared off whole, and they tumble forward after being cleanly separated from the aircraft.

F4 aircraft impacting a solid concrete barrier. Note that the wings and tail do not fold as the nose impacts the concrete. (source: don’t bother moved -http://www.sandia.gov/media/NRgallery00-03.htm)

Sugano (in itself) doesn’t show that a 757 hitting the Pentagon would be turned into confetti and small chunks, but it does show that an F4 was completely destroyed in arguably similar circumstances. Furthermore, it wasn’t anywhere close to an even contest between the wall and the F4. The F4 started with a speed of 215 m/sec — and the tail was still traveling at 185 m/sec when it smashed into the wall. The F4 is a very strongly build aircraft, although at 18 meters long and 19 kg, it’s about a third the length and a fifth the weight of the 757. In terms of comparing what would happen to a 757 versus what happened to the F4, it would be difficult to do an accurate calculation without detailed design information on both aircraft. In a preliminary analysis, the extra length of the 757 means that it has three times the distance to decelerate — but the 757 is also much heavier, so it’s more difficult for the crushing process to supply enough force to decelerate even as rapidly as the F4 did.” http://www.911-strike.com/missing-confetti.htm The article from the ‘pentagon disinformation unit’ counters the information from the ‘WTC no planes disinformation unit’.

Ed Ward, MD – http://edwardmd.wordpress.com/ ;
https://www.facebook.com/EdWardMD3 ; http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EdWard-MD/messages

More US Drill Death in Waco Explosion – Drill Stops for Reality, Again http://edwardmd.wordpress.com/2013/04/28/more-us-drill-death-in-waco-drill-stops-for-reality-again/

Boston Marathon: The Finish Line For US Treason. Drill Death. Everything’s In Place For Police State. by Ed Ward, MD http://edwardmd.wordpress.com/2013/04/16/boston-marathon-the-finish-line-for-us-treason-drill-death-everything-is-in-place-for-police-state-by-ed-ward-md/

Pictures: US Boston Weapon – Both ‘Explosions’ – The Secret of the Pure Fusion Weapon – Li7 – Lithium 7 http://edwardmd.wordpress.com/2013/04/19/photograph-of-boston-fireball-2nd-explosion/

Dr. Ed Ward MD, AS, BS, MD – Reporting and investigating Constitutional abuses of the US government for almost 2 decades. AS, BS in Medical Technology – Minor in Organic Chemistry and Physics, volunteer during the Viet Nam war 6 years stateside active duty ‘med tech’ ‘US Air Farce’ – a decade experience in Medical Technology. MD degree from LSU, New Orleans – 2 decades in the field of General Practice. (My) Articles are also referenced by valid experts in their field.


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#35. To: FormerLurker (#32) (Edited)

Apparently you're oblivious to the rantings of your cohorts.

The reality is that the vast bulk of disinfo charges have been emanating fiercely from your sector from the get go. Since you are obviously oblivious to even that evidence trail, I say that's yet another reason why you should recuse yourself from the debates, as is this:

To date I have not seen one iota of valid evidence from the "no planers".

There is no original network footage at the time of the first alleged plane strike in New York. The North Tower was targeted explosively first, imo, to disrupt the antennae and impede localized reports. You have chosen to dismissively ignore all available and presented evidence that analyzes footage broadcast by the MSM throughout that day showing different trajectories, improbable cookie-cutter and melting FX with no crash debris outside of the buildings, etc. As I've said, there is tangible evidence that alleged Flt. 11 didn't fly that day. I don't have to posit some alternate thesis for that. You do.

As for your next post, you must have missed where I said that the burden of proof is on the official storytellers and their parroters. Remote control/altered or swapped planes/other flying possibilities like missiles being an adjunct of that, where's your proof? The only actual evidence to date of remote control planes in the 9/11 scenarios are the toys found in the Dancing Israelis' van and it's not my job to argue with your obstinate denialism.

Edited for spelling and apostrophe correction.

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GreyLmist  posted on  2013-05-11   15:22:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: GreyLmist (#35)
(Edited)

The reality is that the vast bulk of disinfo charges have been emanating fiercely from your sector from the get go. Since you are obviously oblivious to even that evidence trail, I say that's yet another reason why you should recuse yourself from the debates, as is this:

If you'd like I can find the post where the accusations first got hurled. Upon looking up the matter quite some time ago, I pretty much saw what's going on, and it simply confirmed what I was seeing first hand...

Saboteurs Attacking The 9/11 Truth Movement: The No-WTC-Planes/Video-Fakery/Energy-Beams Disinformation Gang


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-11   16:27:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: GreyLmist (#35)

There is no original network footage at the time of the first alleged plane strike in New York.

But there IS voluminous amounts of video footage of the SECOND strike.

The North Tower was targeted explosively first, imo, to disrupt the antennae and impede localized reports.

Pure conjecture. The WTC was not the only tower in the area, so it wouldn't have made a difference one way or the other.

You have chosen to dismissively ignore all available and presented evidence that analyzes footage broadcast by the MSM throughout that day showing different trajectories, improbable cookie-cutter

You have produced doctored footage from after the fact compilations. You have NOT produced ONE SINGLE SHRED of raw footage which shows anything close to what you claim.

There IS a panoramic collection of RAW video which shows that the trajectory of the aircraft was perfectly matched between all angles. Eyewitnesses watched the actual strikes first hand.

AND, say IF what you claim had ANY chance of being true, if they were able to pull off a REAL TIME event coordinated across ALL the world media simaltaneously with fabricated footage, don't you think they would have gotten the kinks out before the actual airing occured?

You give some unnamed menace who can murder 3000 people in real life yet rely on "fake footage" to "make their point" the extraordinary ability to pull off the highly improbable and defy physics while there at it, without anyone noticing in real time, yet claim they couldn't perfect the final cut before air time.

Don't you see where the logical fallicy is with that?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-11   16:37:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: GreyLmist (#35)

melting FX with no crash debris outside of the buildings, etc

Uh huh. So everyone is lying about it eh? Again you falsely claim that thousands, if not hundreds of thousands or more, couldn't tell that what they were seeing with their own eyes was NOT what was broadcast in real time around the world.

You ignore the facts which invalidate your claims, yet expect people to agree with you just because you make CLAIMS that in reality have no basis.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-11   16:41:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: GreyLmist (#35) (Edited)

As I've said, there is tangible evidence that alleged Flt. 11 didn't fly that day.

So everyone who had anything to do with flying that aircraft, from the flight crew, Boston Logan Airport staff, flight control tower, baggage handlers, gate personnel, FAA Air Traffic Control, American Airlines personnel, the victims and their families, they ALL conspired to fake an aircraft taking off from Logan just so that they could murder 3000 people by space beams, right?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-11   16:44:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: GreyLmist (#35)

As for your next post, you must have missed where I said that the burden of proof is on the official storytellers and their parroters

So if someone said fairies with boots blew the towers over with fairie dust, the burden of proof would rest with those who claim that DIDN'T happen?

Thing is you don't just disagree with the "official story" as do most other people, you claim the impossibile occured with ZERO evidence of it being true.

Then you turn around and claim it's everyone else's job to PROVE that what you say is untrue.

Nice trick, but it doesn't work that way.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-11   16:49:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: FormerLurker, Lod, Artisian, Wudidiz, GreyLmist, IRTorqued, Robin, StephenLendman, Original_Intent, RickyJ, Tartarwitz, BTPHoldings, itisalreadytolate (#33)

You and your brethen have the burden of PROVING that all the witnesses are liars, actors, scumballs, etc. including all of the thousands of bystanders, news crews, police, EMTs, firemen, families of the hijacked aircraft's victims, airport personnel, air traffic controllers, etc. etc.

You also have the burden of proof of providing facts, not conjecture, allegations, accusations, and doctored videos, to show ANYTHING in the way of valid evidence that planes DID NOT strike the WTC towers on 9/11.

Only true blue disinformation agents talk and act like this.

FL has asked for nothing less than proof of everyone on earth lying to him. The Goal can not be met. IF you even begin to get close he changes his mind and asks for different proofs.

If you want to know what a real cyber command troll looks like then we need look no further than former lurker... I know he sucked me in originally but I have seen through the counter intelligence. With most all of those whom I might suspect.... it remains suspicion. In former Lurker it is confirmed... If it were so desired,we could easily make the man the subject and plow throw the lies and cointelpro and proof of his deceptions and coercions.

I am writing this all out to say that FL does not make a good debate partner but rather a good examination subject to judge how they tyranny pushes propaganda online.

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titorite  posted on  2013-05-11   17:14:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: titorite (#41)

Only true blue disinformation agents talk and act like this.

COINTEL is your game isn't it Mr. titorite.

FL has asked for nothing less than proof of everyone on earth lying to him. The Goal can not be met. IF you even begin to get close he changes his mind and asks for different proofs.

You make the extraordinary claim that hundreds of thousands of people are LYING TO YOU, then turn it around to those questioning your claim as it being THEM who are asking you to prove the impossible. Well it's impossible because your claims ARE impossible, yet you expect everyone to believe you just because YOU said it.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-11   17:25:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: titorite, Lod, christine, Original_Intent, Katniss, Dakmar, Esso, noone2, RickyJ (#41)

If you want to know what a real cyber command troll looks like then we need look no further than former lurker

Are you not aware how YOU look to the average person, or are you too infatuated with your self to notice?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-11   17:27:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: FormerLurker (#42)

No no no you vile semite supremacist. It is not the hundreds of people that are be claimed as liars . Just you former lurker.

Just you.

You are the liar.

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titorite  posted on  2013-05-11   17:28:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: ALL (#41)

I am writing this all out to say that FL does not make a good debate partner but rather a good examination subject to judge how they tyranny pushes propaganda online.

To everyone here on 4um.

THIS is how a REAL COINTEL operative speaks and behaves. He can't win a logical argument, so instead he heaps on the scorn, lies, and inflammatory accusations, all the while trying to "fit in" with those whom he sees as influential on this forum.

If you CAN'T see that, then perhaps you should look a little harder.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-11   17:30:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: titorite (#44)

You know, once people DO find out you're working against them, and are trying to sucker them into VERY bad situations, I wouldn't want to be you.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-11   17:31:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: all (#45)

Amazing.

So many problems that are known, that no one can argue about because they are so obvious, and yet people are arguing over this crap. AND questioning others loyalty because they aren't believed because no reason was ever given to believe them and their wacky "theories".

Some people are too emotionally invested in their own beliefs. It's like a religion. Believe or burn!

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Can you demonstrate a single instance in history where incursion by niggers blacks has resulted in excellence, prosperity, or improvement owing to their presence, inventiveness, or disposition?

PSUSA2  posted on  2013-05-11   17:46:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: PSUSA2 (#47)

For my part, it is not a mans faith that bugs me. Believe what you like, just don't make an ass out of yourself doing so. Even if one has an agenda that does not grant one the right to spam and coerce.

Now me and you Pusa, we are not the type.

OThers.....

Others gotta make up their own mind

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Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) (It's a more positive message)

titorite  posted on  2013-05-11   18:04:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: anyone (#46) (Edited)

Thought better of it.....

Post 46 should be deleted for it's open nerolingustic attack upon a specific individual.

That is not how you are allowed to use NLP. It will bite you on the ass.

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Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) (It's a more positive message)

titorite  posted on  2013-05-11   18:13:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: titorite (#49)

Go to the Old Testament, read Psalms and Proverbs, and learn for free what God has to say to us.

Wonderful messages for us there.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2013-05-11   18:26:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: titorite (#48)

I could argue religion all day. I could prove my case by showing them what was in their history and their own bibles. It would be a waste of time. Although I admit I like to have some fun on occasion.

But again, it is a waste of time. Even though imho it would be more beneficial for liberty if the 3 abrahamic "faiths" were destroyed.

I agree with you in that people have a right to believe as they will. Up until the point where they start infringing on my rights.

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Can you demonstrate a single instance in history where incursion by niggers blacks has resulted in excellence, prosperity, or improvement owing to their presence, inventiveness, or disposition?

PSUSA2  posted on  2013-05-11   18:28:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Lod (#50)

Now who doesn't love psalms and/or proverbs.

For everything their is a season.

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titorite  posted on  2013-05-11   18:30:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: GreyLmist (#30)

You might not consider that as rising to the level of a verbalized attack but I consider it, at the very least, to be a left-handed undercut.

You may consider it as you wish. If differing opinions upset you so then there is a simple way to handle it: Don't read them.

I stand by my tentative conclusion (tentative saving the presentation of conclusive evidence) that the "no planes" is most likely a disinformation line planted to kookify those who question the "Official Fairy Tale®©". I have seen it done too many times where later the rug was pulled out from under those who had bit on a disinfo plant. Be aware that this is a routine procedure conducted by the flunkies of the PTB.

As well planes or no planes is, as I have commented before, almost irrelevant. That is another point which causes me to look at it as probable disinfo as the resolution of the issue with any certainty is virtually impossible with the current data set and is a side issue that distracts from the main data set. A perfect choice for planted disinformation.

There is an abundance of more easily checked evidence showing that the official story cannot possibly be true. So, for me it is not an issue of any great significance.

Which "no plane" hit building 7?

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"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2013-05-11   18:32:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: All (#52) (Edited)

Just kidding About my ripping on the beatles there... (still don't none of you do it!)

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titorite  posted on  2013-05-11   18:33:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: PSUSA2 (#31)

If you are waiting for me to commit seppuku please hold your breath.

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2013-05-11   18:36:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: FormerLurker, titorite, Lod, christine, Katniss, Dakmar, Esso, noone2, RickyJ (#43)

If you want to know what a real cyber command troll looks like then we need look no further than former lurker

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Are you not aware how YOU look to the average person, or are you too infatuated with your self to notice?

Oooh! That one has to have left a mark. ;-)

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2013-05-11   18:39:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: Original_Intent (#56)

Oooh! That one has to have left a mark. ;-)

Well, I must admit I have done a bunch of editing to correct my buthurt pride but in the end I think his seeds of division shall find only salty earth.....

eh.

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titorite  posted on  2013-05-11   18:44:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: Original_Intent (#55)

If you are waiting for me to commit seppuku please hold your breath.

I've already seen you do it. No breath holding necessary.

Fukushima and Corexit. If you were to be believed, we'd all be dead now.

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PSUSA2  posted on  2013-05-11   18:48:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: titorite, Original_Intent (#57)

but in the end I think his seeds of division shall find only salty earth.....

eh.

In the end.


"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow

wudidiz  posted on  2013-05-11   19:49:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: BSUSATOO, PSUSA2 (#58) (Edited)

If you are waiting for me to commit seppuku please hold your breath.

I've already seen you do it. No breath holding necessary.

Fukushima and Corexit. If you were to be believed, we'd all be dead now.

A. Your childish distortion of what I said aside (at no time did I make an absolute apocalyptic prediction - I did say that unchecked that it had the potential (I know, I know, its another one of them thar biig werdz you don't like) to be a near extinction level event. A statement I still believe to be true.) Thankfully it was slowed down, although, at this time, it is still leaking. Nevertheless everything I predicted about the Gulf has come to pass. Some of it not as quickly as I thought it would, but it was an accurate prediction based upon the available evidence. Recent reports from fisherman show that their catch has declined precipitously, and despite heavy handed suppression of scientific results it has leaked out that much of the seafood that is still coming out of the Gulf is contaminated with residues of corexit and crude oil. People who have come in contact with the corexit do become sick, and it IS more toxic than crude oil. However, a lot has, for the time being, settled to the bottom of the Gulf where its effects are making their way felt up the food chain.

B. Fukushima is still leaking large amounts of radiation. The suppressed NOAA report that leaked out shows that a large chunk of the West was heavily blanketed with Cesium in the days following the event. The cores have escaped containment and lie bare in the ground which is connected via the water table to both the local aquifer and directly into the ocean. Seafood coming out of the North Pacific (Salmon, Crab, Halibut, etc.,) is showing signs of radiation contamination. However, I heartily encourage you to eat all of the Gulf seafood, and North Pacific Seafood, that you can hold. Hint: Radiation is cumulative and although one serving may not be a lethal dose it builds up in your body and does not leave. So, if you consume enough they may well bury you in a lead coffin. Not that I would think that a pleasant thought of course.

Ground Under Fukushima Reactor 4 Is Sinking: nuclear-news.net/2013/05/...ushima-unit-4-is-sinking/

Scary - Japan Stroke Rate Spiked 3.4x Higher In 3564 Yr Olds: fukushima-diary.com/2013/...-times-much-in-35-64-y-o/

16,740 Bq/Kg From PROCESSED Shiitake Mushroom: fukushima-diary.com/2013/...cessed-shiitake-mushroom/

TEPCO To Pump Fukushima Groundwater To Sea: ajw.asahi.com/article/031.../fukushima/AJ201305080062

Fukushima Forests Found To Be Radioactive: nuclear-news.net/2013/05/...-found-to-be-radioactive/

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2013-05-11   20:02:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: titorite (#57)

Sorry, I'm not taking sides, but it was good comeback.

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2013-05-11   20:03:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: Original_Intent (#60)

hat it had the potential

yeah. Potential. That's funny.

I wonder what will be the next disaster that will have the "potential" to make us all die horrible deaths.

I guess we'll find out, right? I'm sure you'll keep us informed. And I'm sure that you will accuse those that call bullshit on your hyperbole of being disinfo shills. There's precedent for that.

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PSUSA2  posted on  2013-05-11   20:16:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: BSUSATOO, PSUSA2 (#62)

Geee! What a great comeback. I am just sooooooooooooo chastened. Oh, boo hoo.

Play Again?

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2013-05-11   20:21:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: Original_Intent (#63) (Edited)

You're not capable of being chastened. That requires a conscience and the ability to say "I was wrong".

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Can you demonstrate a single instance in history where incursion by niggers blacks has resulted in excellence, prosperity, or improvement owing to their presence, inventiveness, or disposition?

PSUSA2  posted on  2013-05-11   20:29:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: ALL (#63) (Edited)

This debate of no-planes vs. planes does no good and is just what the disinfo agents want, division. None of us know the exact truth, and we may never, but we do know that our government and the media are covering it up and we also know that the buildings could not have fallen like that due to fires and the planes hitting them. We know that 19 Muslims didn't take those buildings down, and we know the US government is covering up the truth, so why argue about trivia that hasn't been proven 100% either way when we have a smoking gun in WTC7?

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2013-05-11   20:33:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: PSUSA2 (#64)

Which in turn assumes someone bright enough to make their case. I have apologized to other people on multiple occasions when I was in error. You simply have had to try and manufacture a case out of distortions and unsupported slurs. Much like much of the rest of your drool commentary. However, keep trying I get a charge out of watching you slobber all over the board.

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2013-05-11   20:36:06 ET  (2 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: RickyJ (#65)

This is true.

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PSUSA2  posted on  2013-05-11   20:36:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: RickyJ (#65)

This debate of no-planes vs. planes does no good and is just what the disinfo agents want, division. None of us know the exact truth, and we may never, but we do know that our government and the media are covering it up and we also know that the buildings could not have fallen like that due to fires and the planes hitting them. We know that 19 Muslims didn't take those buildings down, and we know the US government is covering up the truth, so why argue about trivia that hasn't been proven 100% either way when we have a smoking gun in WTC7?

Thank You. Exactly my point.

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2013-05-11   20:37:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: PSUSA2, RickyJ (#67) (Edited)

This is true.

Well I disagree with you both and happyly agree to disagree. I know where yall stand and yall seen how I stand recently if you saw that anti Texas isreali day thread....

I can't beat a dead horse with out exhausting myself by I can say we all know the score. :)

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titorite  posted on  2013-05-11   20:39:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: Original_Intent (#66)

I have apologized to other people on multiple occasions when I was in error.

Well if you were talking about "potentials", then you can comfort yourself that you weren't "wrong".

There is nothing to apologize for when one is wrong. An admission is enough. Then if the other person does an Internet Victory Dance, it's on him or her.

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Can you demonstrate a single instance in history where incursion by niggers blacks has resulted in excellence, prosperity, or improvement owing to their presence, inventiveness, or disposition?

PSUSA2  posted on  2013-05-11   20:40:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: titorite (#69)

Hell, I disagree with almost everyone here at one time or another. Disagreements are no big deal, so long as they're honest disagreements.

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Can you demonstrate a single instance in history where incursion by niggers blacks has resulted in excellence, prosperity, or improvement owing to their presence, inventiveness, or disposition?

PSUSA2  posted on  2013-05-11   20:42:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: PSUSA2 (#70)

The problem though is that I never said my predictions were set in stone, but most of what I did predict has come to pass in one form or another. And the level of environmental damage the ecosphere is sustaining is approaching a critical level. Is survival possible? Well, likely but the Hobbesian "Nasty, brutish, and short" also comes to mind.

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2013-05-11   20:46:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: Original_Intent (#72)

We've had population bottlenecks before.

We haven't been good stewards of this planet, but I think we are full of ourselves if we think we can influence the climate. Yes I believe there has been a change, but it's a natural change. This whole GW bullshit is just an example of Rahms' Law, of not letting a crisis go to waste.

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Can you demonstrate a single instance in history where incursion by niggers blacks has resulted in excellence, prosperity, or improvement owing to their presence, inventiveness, or disposition?

PSUSA2  posted on  2013-05-11   20:59:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: titorite (#49) (Edited)

Post 46 should be deleted for it's open nerolingustic attack upon a specific individual.

You remind me of someone's tag line, it goes something like;

A certain kind of person cries out in pain as they strike you in the face. That sort of person be like you...


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-11   22:09:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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