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Title: THERE IS A CONSPIRACY
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Published: May 9, 2013
Author: Chuck Baldwin
Post Date: 2013-05-09 11:17:25 by christine
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Views: 930
Comments: 45

The title of today’s column, “There Is A Conspiracy,” is a direct quote from Ezekiel 22:25. In this passage, God instructed Ezekiel to blow the whistle on the conspiracy of Israel’s prophets to deny people truth, to devour people’s souls, to defraud people’s substance, and to destroy people’s lives. I dare say this conspiracy is still alive and well today. Many pastors and religious leaders in 2013 America are as guilty of Ezekiel’s charges as were Israel’s ancient prophets.

However, use the word “conspiracy” today and even most Christians will roll their eyes in disbelief. And, of course, the mainstream media is so paranoid of the word conspiracy that one has to speculate that the reason for this aversion to objectively dealing with the subject is simply due to the fact that they are among the co-conspirators.

But once in awhile, someone in the media has the guts to broach the subject of conspiracy. My friends at TruthAlliance.net recently covered a report written by Matt Taibbi of Rolling Stone Magazine. Taibbi begins his report saying, “Conspiracy theorists of the world, believers in the hidden hands of the Rothschilds and the Masons and the Illuminati, we skeptics owe you an apology. You were right. The players may be a little different, but your basic premise is correct: The world is a rigged game. We found this out in recent months, when a series of related corruption stories spilled out of the financial sector, suggesting the world's largest banks may be fixing the prices of, well, just about everything.”

Speaking of the LIBOR and other Wall Street scandals, Taibbi goes on to write, “All of these stories collectively pointed to the same thing: These banks, which already possess enormous power just by virtue of their financial holdings--in the United States, the top six banks, many of them the same names you see on the Libor and ISDAfix panels, own assets equivalent to 60 percent of the nation's GDP--are beginning to realize the awesome possibilities for increased profit and political might that would come with colluding instead of competing. Moreover, it's increasingly clear that both the criminal justice system and the civil courts may be impotent to stop them, even when they do get caught working together to game the system.

“If true, that would leave us living in an era of undisguised, real-world conspiracy, in which the prices of currencies, commodities like gold and silver, even interest rates and the value of money itself, can be and may already have been dictated from above. And those who are doing it can get away with it. Forget the Illuminati--this is the real thing, and it's no secret. You can stare right at it, anytime you want.”

See the report at Truth Alliance

Hallelujah! Just about everybody with an IQ over 80 knew it; so it’s about time someone finally said it: gold and silver prices are “rigged.” So is the Petro-Dollar. So is the ammo shortage. So are the headlines on ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, and MSNBC. And so are many of our national catastrophes.

Back in 2011, Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis was added to the list of “conspiracy nuts” when tapes that were recorded within months of President John F. Kennedy’s assassination, which had been sealed in a vault at the Kennedy Library in Boston, were released. In the tapes, former First Lady Jackie Kennedy revealed that she believed Vice President Lyndon Baines Johnson and other “influential individuals” orchestrated the Dallas shooting that killed her husband.

Wow! Jackie Kennedy didn’t believe the official government story that her husband was killed by a “lone gunman.” She believed there was a conspiracy of “influential individuals” who colluded in killing her husband.

I’m with Jackie! Even though I was only a little boy when President Kennedy was assassinated, I could never wrap my head around the “lone gunman” theory. And the older I got, and the more I studied that tragedy, the more I became convinced there was a giant conspiracy involved in both killing the President and covering it up after he had been killed. I still believe that today.

While we are talking about conspiracies, let’s talk about a few more.

TWA Flight 800 “Explosion”

Do you really believe the official story of the crash of TWA flight 800 in 1996? What if an American missile accidentally shot down that jetliner? Do you really think the federal government would come clean about it?

Read this report from The Washington Weekly, if you are willing to be enlightened:

TWA

Oklahoma City Bombing

Do readers really believe the official story that Timothy McVeigh acted alone in igniting the explosion that took down the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, and that there was no cover-up as to what actually happened? I don’t.

Here is where you can get started on this one: "OKC Bombing"

And here: "OK State Representative Charles Key States His Case"

9/11 Twin Towers and Pentagon Attacks

There has been so much written on this subject, I will let readers fend for themselves as to personal research on the matter. Without wading too deeply into this discussion (and for the sake of column space), let me ask just one simple question. Pray tell, what took down Building 7? To this good hour, I have not heard one single plausible explanation proffered by any government or media representative that explains why Building 7 collapsed.

Do I know what really happened on 9/11? No. But do I believe that the government is purposefully keeping the American people in the dark as to what really happened on 9/11/01? You bet I do! Do I believe that there is a cover-up of crucial evidence related to 9/11 by both the federal government and the national news media? You bet I do!

Haiti Earthquake

Another event that the official version is just completely unbelievable to me is the earthquake in Haiti in January of 2010. I will always believe that there was so much to this story that we were not being told. It didn’t “smell” right to me when it happened; it doesn’t “smell” right to me now. If you’re interested, try perusing through some of this information:

Haiti

Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria Wars

Let me be so blunt as to say I don’t believe the official story about any of the wars America is waging in the Middle East. I believe virtually every reason George W. Bush gave the American people for attacking and invading Iraq was a premeditated, bald-faced lie! And I believe every reason Barack Obama gives for staying at war in the Middle East is a premeditated bald-faced lie!

I believe the so-called “War on Terror” which justifies endless wars abroad and endless surveillance at home is completely manufactured by those in government and business for personal economic and political interests. In the name of fighting for freedom overseas, the central government in Washington, D.C., is turning America’s homeland into a giant prison-camp. Pray tell, what good does it do to send American troops overseas to fight a war for freedom, then turn around and use the war for freedom overseas as an excuse to expunge the freedoms of the American people here at home? If that doesn’t smell of conspiracy, nothing does!

Ron Paul was right! “Blowback” truly is a reality; and America’s “War on Terror” is actually making the United States less safe, not more. In fact, if you really want to get sick to your stomach over what this so-called “War on Terror” is accomplishing and why so many people around the world are coming to hate us, take a look at this report:

The Pentagon's New Power Elite: A Secret War in 120 Countries

The Boston Bombings

Noted researcher and analyst, Joel Skousen, recently wrote a detailed and lengthy exposé on the Boston Bombings in his excellent World Affairs Brief (which I highly recommend). Here is just a short clip:

“It seems very suspicious that the FBI would release so many photos and video excerpts (including even partial and grainy shots as if they are presenting everything possible) showing the brothers [accused bombers] in the area, but then they fail to produce the most conclusive evidence that matches what the indictment says.

“This narrative is so specific that it would be very risky for a federal official to make such detailed reference to video evidence if they did not actually possess it--unless they already had a legal strategy worked out where the claimed evidence would be suppressed under the government’s habitual use of the State Secrets doctrine or via a compliant judge who has agreed in advance to seal the evidence. The suppression of key evidence has been a central part of every major government cover-up including the JFK and Martin Luther King assassinations, Oklahoma City bombing and both WTC attacks."

Subscribe to Skousen’s World Affairs Brief.

Skousen is right to be suspicious. Agencies of the federal government have long-facilitated terrorist plots in this country. Even the New York Times carried an editorial outlining a long list of examples of how the FBI hatches and then “discovers” terrorist plots.

See the Times editorial, "Terrorist Plots Helped Along By The FBI"

Furthermore, writing for Infowars.com, Paul Joseph Watson chronicles the long-established pattern of central governments in creating national terror as a vehicle with which to blame other groups and set in motion whatever predetermined plan had been previously concocted.

See Watson’s report, "Why Government Should Be The First Suspect In Any Terror Attack"

The Connecticut School Shootings, The Colorado Theater Shootings, etc.

There are so many inconsistencies, changed stories, and conflicting reports with virtually every official report regarding these mass shootings, so much so that it is difficult for any rationally thinking person to believe them. Unfortunately, the absence of true objective investigative reporting by the national news media means the vast majority of the American people will never have the information they need and, thus, they will never know the truth about any of these mass shootings. All the news media does today is simply regurgitate the official government story, without question. (That’s why, if you truly want to be informed, you must abandon the controlled propaganda press corps and research independent sources. But even there, one must be careful.

Not every independent source is reliable. Plus, government propagandists are at work planting bogus information on the Internet and elsewhere in an attempt to make government critics appear foolish.) But there is one constant that surrounds every mass shooting: the push for increased gun control by anti-freedom politicians. Yes, I realize we could put this under the “You never want a serious crisis to go to waste” (Rahm Emanuel) category. But I’m so cynical now that I’m seeing the potential for the dark side of government behind every mass shooting.

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#1. To: FormerLurker, Turtle (#0)

christine  posted on  2013-05-09   11:18:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: christine (#0)

Nice break-down by Brother Baldwin.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2013-05-09   11:48:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: christine, Turtle, Original_Intent, Twenty Twelve, Katniss (#1)

Why are you pinging ME to this christine, when it was I and several others such as Michael Rivero over at TOS who uncovered much of what was posted there in terms of OKC and TWA 800?

I've provided ample scientific evidence and facts amongst other documented evidence concerning 9/11 as well.

Just because I didn't jump onto the "stumpy is a lying weasle who's an actor faking having his blown off" bandwagon, or the "all the kids who were shot at Sandy Hook are lying little bastards" bandwagon, doesn't put me into the same category as Turtle.

And oh yeah, the "no planes hit the towers on 9/11" sideshow is a load of BS as well.

Additionally, I've also posted copius information on vaccines (especially the smallpox vaccine when Bush wanted to force everyone to get the shot), which is one major reason I got booted from "Freerepublic.com".

That I showed my disdain for those over at LP who were dancing in the blood of UN observers killed by Israel got me booted from there.

But hell, since I don't join in on some rather questionable beliefs these days, I must be a disinfo guy.

Whatever, I guess I don't know people as well as I thought.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-09   12:28:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: FormerLurker, christine (#3)

Why are you pinging ME to this christine,

And how come you didn't ping me?!

"Mr. Prime Minister, there is only one important question facing us, and that is the question whether the white race will survive." -- Leonid Brezhnev to James Callahan

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2013-05-09   12:52:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#4)

It's been claimed that Turtle and I are in cahoots. Would you like to be in that camp alongside us?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-09   12:55:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: FormerLurker (#5)

Neither of you are on my bozo list, so that's fine.

"Mr. Prime Minister, there is only one important question facing us, and that is the question whether the white race will survive." -- Leonid Brezhnev to James Callahan

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2013-05-09   13:16:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: FormerLurker (#3)

you're jumping to conclusions. i pinged you to it because of our discussion in pm and your question to me.

also, because Chuck Baldwin is someone whose opinion i find credible and i wanted you to read it. no biggie. ;)

christine  posted on  2013-05-09   13:33:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: christine (#7)

Which discussion, the one where you thought Turtle and I were a team?

Or the one where you verified Jeff Bauman is a real person who actually worked at Costco in Nashua NH?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-09   13:54:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: FormerLurker (#8)

It COULD have been guided along by those with an agenda, but for what purpose? What was accomplished?

it was that question.

christine  posted on  2013-05-09   13:57:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: christine (#9) (Edited)

And the question remains, what exactly WAS accomplished? The FBI has egg on its face over this, and if anything the people have seen how incompetent the government is.

As far as the cops going wild in Watertown and all of Boston getting locked down, well perhaps that's a "plus" in their book. Don't know if the rest of the country sees it that way or not.

Being that it WAS a real event that killed and maimed REAL people, the entire sideshow of "fake blood" and "actors" should cause you to question what the motive was for THAT sort of reporting, and who exactly benefits from THAT...


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-09   14:07:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: FormerLurker (#10)

Being that it WAS a real event that killed and maimed REAL people, the entire sideshow of "fake blood" and "actors" should cause you to question what the motive was for THAT sort of reporting, and who exactly benefits from THAT...

i am. i am questioning everything. my mind isn't made up on anything related to this incident.

christine  posted on  2013-05-09   14:23:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: christine (#11)

James Fetzer said:

As a former Marine Corps officer and retired professor of philosophy, who has devoted himself since his retirement to the study of complex and controversial issues of public importance, I have been astonished at the gullibility of the American people. I have published three articles about the Boston bombing, including my latest, in which I honor Stella Trembly, "Man of the Year: Stella Tremblay, NH Legislator", http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/05/04/man-of-the- year-stella-trimblay-nh-legislator/ where I honor her as "Man of the Year" rather than as "Woman of the Year" or even "Person of the Year" because she is the only one who has the ***** to "tell it like it is". I have consulted experts on different aspects of the case and, for those of us who have actually analyzed the evidence, the Boston bombing was an obvious staged event, where some bystanders were injured or killed but where the perps were not those two brothers but members of the paramilitary company, Craft International; where the older brother was taken alive and then killed while in police custody; where the scene reeks with fakery, including the absence of spurting blood from Jeff Bauman's leg, the wrong color blood that was used to create false impressions; and a host of other subtle points, including that he had also lost the little finger of his left hand before the bombing. I don't claim to be incapable of making mistakes, but I think those who are praising Bauman for his performance here have missed the boat, big time!
May 9, 2013 3:42 am


"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow

wudidiz  posted on  2013-05-09   14:30:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: wudidiz (#12)

Fetzer is about as reliable as Sorcha Faal. Or do you hold Faal in high esteem as well?

Yeah, I guess REAL people who were REALLY killed or injured bled the wrong color blood for Mr. Fetzer. Perhaps he can go bleed somewhere and film what "real" blood is supposed to look like...


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-09   14:35:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: FormerLurker (#13)


"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow

wudidiz  posted on  2013-05-09   14:43:31 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: wudidiz (#12)

"Person of the Year" because she is the only one who has the ***** to "tell it like it is".

He doesn't even have the balls to say "balls".

I guess it takes balls to be a nutcase.

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Can you demonstrate a single instance in history where incursion by niggers blacks has resulted in excellence, prosperity, or improvement owing to their presence, inventiveness, or disposition?

PSUSA2  posted on  2013-05-09   14:43:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: wudidiz (#14)

Is that a self portrait, or one of Fetzer's publicity photos?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-09   14:51:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: FormerLurker (#16)

Is that a self portrait, or one of Fetzer's publicity photos?

I think it was your dumb ass being put on bozo, because sometimes you say shit that is too stupid to listen too. I'm sure if you had any friends in the real world they would of told you about this short coming of yours.. Alas , People with two tone personalities such as yourself don't get friends long.

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titorite  posted on  2013-05-09   14:57:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: All (#11)

very good interview with Joel Skousen who doesn't like the false conspiracies regarding actors.

christine  posted on  2013-05-09   14:58:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: wudidiz (#12)

As a former Marine Corps officer and retired professor of philosophy, who has devoted himself since his retirement to the study of complex and controversial issues of public importance, I have been astonished at the gullibility of the American people.

Yes, and so have I. Anyone who believes everything this guy says is lacking rudimentary skills in critical thinking.

And BTW, not all retired USMC officers are "good guys". He seems to wear that badge on his sleeve to bolster his credibility. Being that he only achieved the rank of captain (as per Wiki), why does he feel the need to so that?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-09   14:59:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: titorite (#17)

sometimes you say shit that is too stupid to listen too.

Being that you ALWAYS have something too stupid to listen to (it's to not too BTW), what's your point?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-09   15:00:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: titorite, All (#17)

why don't we stop the personal attacks and stick to debate about the topic? all that does is degenerate valuable discussion.

we all have the same objective, as far as i'm concerned and, that is, a search for truth.

christine  posted on  2013-05-09   15:01:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: christine, all (#18)

While I sometimes differ with his conclusions Skousen did not fall off the Turnip Truck yesterday. He is generally on top of things and has sources well beyond anything available to most of us.

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2013-05-09   15:07:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: christine, titorite, wudidiz, FormerLurker, all (#21) (Edited)

why don't we stop the personal attacks and stick to debate about the topic?

May I commend to all this brief musical interlude:

Part Deux:

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2013-05-09   15:13:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: wudidiz (#12)

James Fetzer said:

Am posting this from a comment he made at undergrounddocumentaries.com because it explains something about why what is shown to us of a false flag/PsyOp event with ulterior motives will, of course, be presented to the public as real but are pre-designed behind the scenes in minute detail with false trails of evidence and false legends for witness entrance and exit strategies, etc.:

Never-published declassified CIA documents appear to support a link between the assassination of John F. Kennedy and the Watergate scandal that brought down Richard Nixon. To find out for sure, Jesse Ventura goes to Dallas, where he meets Lee Harvey Oswald’s widow, Marina, and investigates the “Two Oswalds” theory that a CIA-groomed double killed JFK.

Fetzer: The problem with John Armstrong’s “two Oswalds” theory is that, since the CIA creates a false history for their agents to enable them to return to civilian live with a cover-story,

My best guess is that the abundant evidence that he provides is the record created by the CIA for Lee to return to civilian life, where Armstrong seems to have completely missed the importance of the agency’s practice in this regard.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-05-09   17:23:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: All (#24) (Edited)

I view Sibel Edmonds with more skepticism than many people do but this Corbett Report video discusses the Boston "narrative". To me, the alleged uncle's voice sounds similar to a 9/11 alleged witness. Not saying I'm convinced they're one and the same. Just saying, I've considered the possibility.:

Who Is Graham Fuller?

Published on May 8, 2013 by corbettreport

TRANSCRIPT AND SOURCES: http://www.corbettreport.com/?p=7341

Edited for link corrections.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-05-09   17:38:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Original_Intent, All (#23)

May I commend to all this brief musical interlude:

Liked the music. While I'm here, am posting this newsitem on a Pennsylvania drill scheduled for May 13:

Massive disaster drill planned for Dorney Park: Multiple agencies will simulate a high-casualty incident on May 13.

Also, this excerpt from The Recruit Script at script-o-rama.com:

remember, everything is a test.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-05-09   18:23:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: GreyLmist (#26)

Multiple agencies will simulate a high-casualty incident on May 13.

You have GOT to be shitting me.

Are these people totally bonkers?

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2013-05-09   20:29:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: christine (#18) (Edited)

very good interview with Joel Skousen who doesn't like the false conspiracies regarding actors.

Bingo. While most people here are bickering about so-called actors with fake injuries and fake blood, the TRULY important questions are being ignored.

You don't have "actors" who can magically appear as if they just got blown up within seconds in the middle of a national event in the heart of one of the largest cities in the US amongst a bunch of real people in a matter of seconds without anyone else noticing.

That's besides the fact these were real people, not actors. For anyone to promote such nonsense must have something to gain by clouding the waters and steering people in the wrong direction.

Same goes for Sandy Hook and other such events.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-09   20:54:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Shill alert (#28)

Same goes for Sandy Hook and other such events.

While most people here are bickering about so-called actors with fake injuries and fake blood, the TRULY important questions are being ignored.

His words here remind me of obama reassuring the grads that they do not live in tyranny.

sarc/ PAY NO ATTENTION TO THE OBVIOUS. DO NOT LOOK AT THE MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN. SUBMIT OBEY /sarc

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titorite  posted on  2013-05-09   20:58:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Lod (#27)

Multiple agencies will simulate a high-casualty incident on May 13.

You have GOT to be shitting me.

Are these people totally bonkers?

The video above at #25 mentions (starting about the 4 minute mark) somebody named Gulen who was allegedly kicked out of Turkey for trying to overthrow the secular government there and then went to Pennsylvania. Coincidence that the scheduled drill is slated there, maybe -- or maybe not.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-05-09   22:24:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: titorite, All, *Black Ops - Psyops* (#29)

sarc/ PAY NO ATTENTION TO THE OBVIOUS. DO NOT LOOK AT THE MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN. SUBMIT OBEY /sarc

That is exactly what you are accomplishing with your "they are all actors" bullshit.

Any serious observations or facts are ignored, and you get to play drama queen once more.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-09   22:43:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: FormerLurker, christine, all (#31)

"they are all actors"

Who said that?


"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow

wudidiz  posted on  2013-05-10   2:06:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: wudidiz (#32)

Define "they".


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-10   2:53:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: FormerLurker (#5)

It's been claimed that Turtle and I are in cahoots

It's been claimed I'm a paid shill because I don't fall for every B.S. conspiracy theory that comes down the line.

"Have Brain, Will Travel

Turtle  posted on  2013-05-11   16:13:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Turtle (#34)

It's been claimed I'm a paid shill because I don't fall for every B.S. conspiracy theory that comes down the line.

Thing is Turtle, you see ANY evidence contrary to government claims as "nutty".

There's a difference between you and I, and it's that my eyes aren't closed to anything out there, and I take the time to consider what is most likely to be true and what isn't.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-11   17:20:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: FormerLurker (#35)

contrary to government claims as "nutty".

Strap-on bones? Anyone who believes that is the nut.

"Have Brain, Will Travel

Turtle  posted on  2013-05-11   18:34:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Turtle (#34)

It's been claimed I'm a paid shill because I don't fall for every B.S. conspiracy theory that comes down the line.

If the government is paying you to shill, I demand that my share of those tax dollars be returned immediately!!

It's the bankers fault !

Buzzard  posted on  2013-05-12   11:37:32 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Turtle, 4 (#36)

Strap-on bones? Anyone who believes that is the nut.

No, it's true!

I once saw a film where a girl was wearing one.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2013-05-12   11:47:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Buzzard (#37)

I actually saved that photo. That's a good one.

"Have Brain, Will Travel

Turtle  posted on  2013-05-12   15:17:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Lod, Turdle, Turtle (#38)

Strap-on bones? Anyone who believes that is the nut.

No, it's true!

I once saw a film where a girl was wearing one.

Having had a lot of first aid training I can assure you with utter confidence that there are all sorts of injury props, called moulages, for first aid training. There would be no great difficulty in either procuring one or putting it to use, and the data suggests, an emphasize on "suggests" - it is not proved, that as a possibility.

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2013-05-12   15:38:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: FormerLurker, Turtle (#35)

It's been claimed I'm a paid shill because I don't fall for every B.S. conspiracy theory that comes down the line.

Thing is Turtle, you see ANY evidence contrary to government claims as "nutty".

There's a difference between you and I, and it's that my eyes aren't closed to anything out there, and I take the time to consider what is most likely to be true and what isn't.

It should always be, What does the evidence say? It should never be "What does the government say? Or the media, or any other official source. The government lies we already know that. The media routinely lies and anyone with a scrap of intelligence or discernment knows that.

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2013-05-12   15:42:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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