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Title: Adam Kokesh of the DC gun protest ARRESTED for resisting arrest.
Source: net
URL Source: http://yoff
Published: May 19, 2013
Author: life
Post Date: 2013-05-19 12:59:15 by titorite
Keywords: None
Views: 4642
Comments: 138

Ive just heard Adam Kokesh, the guy organising this march with loaded guns on washington has been arrested at a pro Cannabis protest in Philledelphia.

He is being held at: FEDERAL DETENTION CENTER 700 ARCH STREET PHILADELPHIA, PA 19106 Phone: 215-521-4000 E-mail address2: PHL/EXECASSISTANT@BOP.GOV

It's important to point out: 1. He was arrested by Federal Agents, not Police. 2. He did not smoke at the event. 3. When arrested, he was merely speaking. 4. He is being charged with "resisting arrest," which happens during the act of arrest, so what was he arrested for in the first place?

A genuine arrest or an excuse by the feds to question him about the upcoming pro gun march?

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#83. To: titorite, FormerLurker (#39)

Hey, if you really want to make it private then you should change your public tag line. I don't agree with Former Lurker about the Boston Marathon bombing but I think he is sincere in his beliefs and is not lying. He has some good points, but assumes the evil people who do these false flags think rationally like normal people do, they don't though. They really don't care if some know it was a false flag, I think they even want some people to think it was a false flag so they can prove once again to themselves that they can get away with obvious crimes in broad daylight if they control the main stream news about it. I think the first bomb probably wasn't real, but the second one probably was since the injuries from it do not seem fake. Anyway, I understand why he thinks what he thinks because it is not a very smart way to conduct a false flag event, but I think those behind these false flags are not very smart and rely too much on intimidation and the media to get away with their crimes. So far it has worked well for them, so I don't expect them to change their tactics. The next false flag event should have many clues before hand and after just like the Boston marathon bombings did.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2013-05-20   13:58:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#84. To: PSUSA2, titorite (#82)

It's not so much that he's a felon. I dont know what he was convicted of. But to try and get others to break the law and become felons themselves

the big scary jail man is coming to rape yer bum...

lmao you and your tragically skewed version of life

"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow

wudidiz  posted on  2013-05-20   14:06:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#85. To: Artisan, PSUSA2 (#81)

I don't know if your friend USED to be a decent guy, but he's the one that came after me with mindless accusations and insults.

That along with the fact he was acting JUST LIKE a shill where he'd ignore any logic or reason, along with the fact that his links said the opposite of what he claimed, and no matter HOW many different times that was pointed out to him, he'd continue on with his childish accusations.

He refused to discuss anything in a civil manner, instead he'd bombard the thread with insults, accusations, lies, and then pretend HE was the victim for anyone watching the thread at that point in time.

It was just too many things when seen together which indicated to me I wasn't dealing with someone who's here to discuss anything, rather I was dealing with someone who appears to be here to DISRUPT discussions.

He then started dragging my name through the mud across the forum with his tag line, and refused to change it.

I don't usually create spectacles here, but when someone starts slandering me across the forum just because he can get away with it, well I'm not just going to sit back and take it.

The issues I raised on this thread are valid concerns, and it's not that I brought it to the attention of people here solely out of spite, but out of concern for their safety.

If it quacks like a duck and acts like a duck, it probably IS a duck.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-20   14:16:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#86. To: RickyJ (#83)

In terms of the Boston bombing, like I asked on the other thread, why bother with actors when you can have the real thing? It'd be MUCH easier, cheaper, and would avoid involving hundreds of people or more, people who work for a living and have no motive to pretend blowing people up for the cameras.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-20   14:19:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#87. To: PSUSA2, Artisan (#82)

It's not so much that he's a felon. I dont know what he was convicted of. But to try and get others to break the law and become felons themselves, well, fuck him and the horse he rode in on.

When I first read his "let's confiscate those bullets from DHS" thread I assumed he was just being super dumb, that he was just some mindless idiot who thought himself in a movie and that he could do the impossible.

But after someone brought to my attenion the fact that he was hounding people in PM to make him a liberator, AFTER he had already alluded to his felony conviction, AND after dealing with his behavior on the forum where he was acting worse than yukon, it became apparent that it couldn't just be some very dumb yet innocent mistake.

I don't enjoy tearing someone down, even if they deserve it. But I felt like I had no choice.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-20   14:26:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#88. To: FormerLurker (#87)

He deserves every bit of it.

I wonder what other forums he posts at, trying to get people to commit felonies. I bet this isn't the only one.

lunaticoutpost.com/search...d66d292cc27d1745fd2a23680

There's one. Ban-Hammer dropped. Even something called "lunatic outpost" couldn't tolerate his shit.

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Death to the Draconians!!!

PSUSA2  posted on  2013-05-20   14:38:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#89. To: Artisan, titorite, FormerLurker (#85)

He refused to discuss anything in a civil manner, instead he'd bombard the thread with insults, accusations, lies, and then pretend HE was the victim for anyone watching the thread at that point in time.

It was just too many things when seen together which indicated to me I wasn't dealing with someone who's here to discuss anything, rather I was dealing with someone who appears to be here to DISRUPT discussions.


oh, the irony

It's embarrassing.

"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow

wudidiz  posted on  2013-05-20   14:41:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#90. To: FormerLurker (#80)

Sorry Fred, I was busy at the office and forgot to ping you.

As you know I get every third Monday off, so that's the reason for my delayed response. Thanks for the ping.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2013-05-20   15:04:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#91. To: wudidiz, Artisan (#89)

oh, the irony

It's embarrassing.

Well it SHOULD be embarrassing for the both of you, but apparently you have no shame.

Do you think you're the only person here that knows how to use the search feature?

wudidiz to FormerLurker

titorite to FormerLurker

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-20   15:24:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#92. To: Fred Mertz (#90)

As you know I get every third Monday off, so that's the reason for my delayed response. Thanks for the ping.

No problem Fred, enjoy the day off. I've already taken the trash out today so you won't need to do it yourself when you get back to the office.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-20   15:26:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#93. To: FormerLurker (#86)

In terms of the Boston bombing, like I asked on the other thread, why bother with actors when you can have the real thing? It'd be MUCH easier, cheaper, and would avoid involving hundreds of people or more, people who work for a living and have no motive to pretend blowing people up for the cameras.

Because the people who do these false flags give away clues all the time that it is a false flag event. The one and only show of "The Lone Gunman" predicted 9/11 almost exactly like it happened that day. The Family Guy cartoon a month before the bombings had people getting killed at the finish line of the Boston marathon. They then show a guy dialing a number twice and a bomb going off each time. The first time, it was just the bomb noise, and no other noise, the second time it was the bomb noise and then people screaming. This seems to indicate the first bomb was not real and the second bomb was, just like the evidence seems to fit what actually happened that day. People that want to rule the world and kill billions in wars, do not think rationally. They do not take the easy way all the time, because they are not thinking clearly and for some reason want people to know they did it! They are proud of it even.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2013-05-20   15:47:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#94. To: FormerLurker (#91)

.

How To Create An Angry American from PuppetGov on Vimeo.

"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow

wudidiz  posted on  2013-05-20   15:49:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#95. To: All (#94)

It looks to me like someone might have planted something on Adam just before he was arrested. I have suspicions about Adam because of his threat to both Obama and Romney and nothing being done to him about that. However here it appears that someone is trying to set him up, so Adam may be the real deal. I hope he is and I hope that he is released soon.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2013-05-20   16:04:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#96. To: RickyJ (#93)

Ricky, don't you think the police, EMTs, hospital staff, bystanders, runners, etc., would have noticed if it was all "fake"?

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-20   16:10:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#97. To: wudidiz (#94)

NH Rep. says Nashua worker Jeff Bauman “not in pain” when his legs were blown off at Marathon, later apologizes for offending anyone with comments (#79) [Full Thread] Post Date: 2013-05-20 16:03:01 From: wudidiz To: FormerLurker

BOSTON: IRRESPONSIBLE, DISGUSTING CONSPIRACY THEORIES (#43) [Full Thread] Post Date: 2013-05-20 16:00:23 From: wudidiz To: FormerLurker

9 11 Fake Video Stars: The J Star Clones – Why Covert Operation’s Cointel Must Have ‘Fake’ Video and ‘No Planes’ (#437) [Full Thread] Post Date: 2013-05-20 15:54:18 From: wudidiz To: FormerLurker

Boston Marathon: Federal Horror Movie By Ron Avery (#314) [Full Thread] Post Date: 2013-05-20 15:50:43 From: wudidiz To: FormerLurker

Adam Kokesh of the DC gun protest ARRESTED for resisting arrest. (#94) [Full Thread] Post Date: 2013-05-20 15:49:14 From: wudidiz To: FormerLurker

What are you a spambot?

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-20   16:14:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#98. To: wudidiz (#94)

Oh I see what you're doing, you're spamming the forum with videos and links to me to make it APPEAR you haven't been posting your typical bullshit lies and accusations at me. Must be because I posted a search link of your posts to me back on post 91 of this thread..

Well little man, the history is there no matter what you do. Go ahead and spam to your heart's content.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-20   16:19:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#99. To: PSUSA2 (#88)

There's one. Ban-Hammer dropped. Even something called "lunatic outpost" couldn't tolerate his shit.

That in and of itself doesn't mean much since a lot of us have been banned from other forums as well.

However, seeing how he acts HERE makes one wonder how badly he behaved at those other forums.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-20   16:29:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#100. To: FormerLurker (#96) (Edited)

Ricky, don't you think the police, EMTs, hospital staff, bystanders, runners, etc., would have noticed if it was all "fake"?

I am sure some of them did realize it was fake. What are they going to do about it though? Tell the press who will ignore them? Make themselves a target of these people who have no problem killing innocent people? I don't think so.

If the pictures are legit of Jeff then I and many others realize it was fake. But since I wasn't there they just call me a nut for calling them on it. People that did witness it that weren't in on it were probably identified and told to keep quiet, that a police investigation was going on about it behind the scenes and their lives could be in danger if they told what they saw.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2013-05-20   18:46:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#101. To: RickyJ (#100) (Edited)

Welcome to our world asshole. :) yeah that is meant playfully

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titorite  posted on  2013-05-20   18:49:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#102. To: RickyJ (#100)

I am sure some of them did realize it was fake. What are they going to do about it though?

What do you think they'd do, ignore it? Sure cops can oftentimes be dicks, but I don't think they'd ignore evidence of a bunch of people FAKING being blown up.

Do you think the EMTs would not have noticed if people weren't really injured, or that the truama teams at the hospitals wouldn't have been able to tell the difference between a real injury or a fake one?

And what of the dead, are they faking it too?

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-20   18:52:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#103. To: all (#102)

What of the children? Wont somebody please think about the children?

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titorite  posted on  2013-05-20   18:58:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#104. To: titorite (#101)

I have always thought 9/11 was a false flag even on 9/11/2001. I didn't think they actually did it themselves though until 2003, I just thought they let it happen. I have given serious consideration to the no plane theory, and I still don't think it is correct. I am not saying 100% it is wrong though, maybe 99%. It is much easier to keep a limited number of identifiable people quiet than thousands of people you have no way of identifying. Too many people would have saw no plane hit the towers, so faking that was not really practical or necessary.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2013-05-20   19:04:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#105. To: FormerLurker (#102) (Edited)

And what of the dead, are they faking it too?

I never said some people didn't really get hurt, and some die. I said I think the second bomb was real and the first was fake. Not many EMTs or cops had to be in on it for this to work. There was after all a bomb drill going on that day, they probably were instructed this was just part of the drill.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2013-05-20   19:07:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#106. To: RickyJ (#104) (Edited)

I dont want to talk about that subject with you . especially in this thread. I is nursing a but hurt. Still waiting for x-15s cream to kick in.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaqUJyUBozI&bpctr=1369093334

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titorite  posted on  2013-05-20   19:13:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#107. To: titorite (#106)

Nice video, but that is not the topic of this thread either, it is suppose to be about Adam Kokesh being arrested.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2013-05-20   19:20:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#108. To: RickyJ (#107)

you see what I mean then? I'm all upside down.

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titorite  posted on  2013-05-20   19:23:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#109. To: titorite (#108)

Please help me, I think there's something wrong with my brain.

corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - Tacitus

Dakmar  posted on  2013-05-20   19:26:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#110. To: Dakmar (#109)

Funny.

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titorite  posted on  2013-05-20   19:34:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#111. To: RickyJ (#105)

I said I think the second bomb was real and the first was fake.

Why use a fake one if they were already using a real one?

There was after all a bomb drill going on that day, they probably were instructed this was just part of the drill.

Don't you think they would have figured it out pretty quickly? I mean at least half the Boston police force probably showed up, and there were a LOT of EMTs as well.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-20   19:40:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#112. To: FormerLurker (#111)

Why use a fake one if they were already using a real one?

I don't know, you will have to ask them that. All I know is that Jeff should have been a dead man before they even got him to the hospital, yet the guy is out of the hospital just a mere two weeks later at a hockey game energetically waving a flag looking in excellent condition besides missing his lower legs.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2013-05-20   20:27:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#113. To: RickyJ (#112)

I know your story revolves around the idea that Jeff Bauman is somehow indispensible to the grand scheme of the attack. Could you explain that to me?

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-20   20:50:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#114. To: RickyJ (#112)

I don't know, you will have to ask them that.

It doesn't make one bit of sense why they'd use one real bomb and one fake one. I can see one or the other, but not both.

In fact it makes zero sense why they'd use a fake bomb and fake victims in the first place. You have to remember that this was a widely popular yearly event which is televised live around the world.

ANYONE could have been at either location, that of the first and the second explosions. There was no way to control who was there. Don't you think people would have noticed if all of a sudden they were still standing and people next to them were stripping down, removing clothes, taking limbs off, stuff like that?

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-20   20:54:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#115. To: FormerLurker (#114) (Edited)

I just noticed something odd about the arrest of Adam Kokesh. They took him away without cuffing him first. They made sure they cuffed the other speaker before taking him away, but not with Adam, they just took him away without the cuffs on. Isn't that against protocol when they arrest someone?

----- About the Boston bombings, I really don't know why or even what they did, I am just going off of the pictures and video of Jeff which makes me highly suspicious that he didn't just lose his legs there. Also in that shootout with the police, eyewitnesses have said the shootout was one way, the brothers were reportedly not shooting at the police, and they only had one gun. Also they reportedly said, "chill out guys, we didn't do it!" This might even be on some of the recorded video of that night.

Edit to add video ----

You can hear someone yelling "chill out, chill out" and then later on "we didn't do it."

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2013-05-20   21:19:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#116. To: titorite (#23)

Please remove the tag about FL. I'm with abraxas and Lod on this one. I'm tired of the public feud. Please avail yourself of the private mail. I've tried to mediate more than a couple of times, but it hasn't done any good.

christine  posted on  2013-05-20   21:35:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#117. To: christine (#116) (Edited)

I already did that like hours ago... (yesterday)

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titorite  posted on  2013-05-20   21:39:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#118. To: RickyJ (#115)

Also in that shootout with the police, eyewitnesses have said the shootout was one way, the brothers were reportedly not shooting at the police, and they only had one gun. Also they reportedly said, "chill out guys, we didn't do it!"

I'd be more interested in that part of the story, as there ARE witnesses reporting irregularities there.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-21   0:39:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#119. To: FormerLurker (#118)

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"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow

wudidiz  posted on  2013-05-21   1:50:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#120. To: HOUNDDAWG (#75) (Edited)

Well, if you consider his actions at The Jefferson Memorial laudable and "doing something for America" or anything other than an exercise in self promotion then you may be at risk of falling in with a cult.

I mentioned nothing about his actions at the Jefferson Memorial, nor did the article. That is something you pulled out of your ass. I don't even know what you are talking about nor do I care. I will support anyone willing to march on DC over our second amendment rights. I could care less if he is doing it for self-promotion if it furthers the cause of gun rights.

You should stay away from him. You may be trampled if you get between him and a news camera.

I am no where near him.

I'm sorry if this offends you but you clearly implied that Adam's actions are above reproach then wrapped him in the flag as if everyone should just give him the benefit of any doubt.

I have implied nothing. You read what you wanted to read out of my words. As anyone here can tell you, I don't imply things. If I have something to say then I outright say it, which I did. As for wrapping him in the flag, I consider marching on DC in support of our second amendment rights to be a patriotic act. You consider it to be proof he's a government plant. We'll have to agree to disagree.

Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because he doesn't come over and break your window - unknown

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Any perceived compliance with unconstitutional “laws” or orders put forth by government employees is NOT recognition of their authority; it is simply the result of carefully calculated submission to an entity exhibiting superior firepower.

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2013-05-24   20:30:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#121. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#120)

You seem to be taking my post awfully personally, especially since you didn't start this thread and my post wasn't directed to you or anyone in particular.

And, here's a self improvement tip for you. If you want to do a point by point rebuttal you shouldn't skip over the relevant points and reply to that which requires no response. That only makes you appear angry but too impotent to react.

The fact that Adam is repeating the actions of a govt shill (Frank Collin) is obvious, especially since he suspiciously failed to "light up" as he encouraged others to do. That is pure govt theater as was his arrest.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2013-05-25   11:27:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#122. To: HOUNDDAWG (#121) (Edited)

You seem to be taking my post awfully personally, especially since you didn't start this thread and my post wasn't directed to you or anyone in particular.

I find it hard to believe that you are saying that your post wasn't directed at me. Not only did you address it to me, you quoted me.

And, here's a self improvement tip for you. If you want to do a point by point rebuttal you shouldn't skip over the relevant points and reply to that which requires no response.

I did not do a point by point rebuttal to your post. I picked what I thought was relative and replied to it. You do not get to choose what is relative to me.

The fact that Adam is repeating the actions of a govt shill (Frank Collin) is obvious, especially since he suspiciously failed to "light up" as he encouraged others to do. That is pure govt theater as was his arrest.

The idea that you have to be a pot head to support drug legalization is ludicrous. I haven't smoked pot or partaken in any illegal drug in 25 or 30 years yet I support legalization of all drugs 100%. If there were a local gathering of this type in my neck of the woods I would go and show my support without "lighting up" as well and would have no problem encouraging those who do partake to smoke 'em if they got 'em. Not because I'm a government plant but because I support their right to do so. The drug war won't be won until there are more people at these gatherings who aren't "lighting up" than there are people who are. From what I've read, Kokesh is a political activist with libertarian leanings, if not an outright libertarian. Why wouldn't he show up and support a mainstream libertarian cause?

If you don't like the guy and think he's a government plant, that's fine by me but I do not find your reasoning convincing.

Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because he doesn't come over and break your window - unknown

I WITHDRAW MY CONSENT!
Any perceived compliance with unconstitutional “laws” or orders put forth by government employees is NOT recognition of their authority; it is simply the result of carefully calculated submission to an entity exhibiting superior firepower.

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2013-05-25   12:31:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#123. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#122)

Your last rant makes clear to any objective reader that your intent was to rebuke and punish me for daring to write something with which you disagree. And since we were not dialoguing at the time your magnanimous comment, "agree to disagree" was entirely improper. What meaningful points had you written then that I could have possibly disagreed with?

You seem to believe that it's obvious why Adam's agenda can't possibly be suspect, and in the process you've wasted valuable bandwidth that you could have used to explain why his motives should not be questioned. In fact, give us one reason if you can. (You can't)

Here's a point for you to consider. THE FACT THAT SOMEONE "DOES SOMETHING" (legit activists "do something" as do govt shills) proves nothing, which means it was a pointless thing to write. I certainly didn't use that to justify my suspicions of him, and you're obviously not savvy enough to put words in my mouth) IT WAS BEFITTING A SCHOOL KID WITH NO DEBATE SKILLS OR MATURE LOGIC AT HIS DISPOSAL. Please don't write it a third time.

Now, if you like I'll PM all of my future posts on this subject for your approval, and remove anything that you feel I'm not entitled to believe or share.

Would that be okay?

This is a reasonable offer considering you entered the fray despite the fact that no one mentioned or flagged you, then attempted to browbeat me into silence.

Every controversial individual or group (Hal Turner, Scientology, Alex Jones) has groupies and cult followers who defend them, and always with insults intended to deny others the sheer pleasure of having expressed opinions. And sadly, since you offered no meaningful response to my post except for a group of trees in which all activists and shills alike may seek shared cover, that description of shill apologist fits you like a glove.

The meaningless point that anybody who does anything is a govt plant is simply not up to the task of an insightful, witty or disarming response to what I wrote.

There are two reasons for that.

First, if we look at your response another way there is absolute truth in it. And that is this: Every govt plant that does things to get headlines or news coverage does so to further the govt's agenda. Now, if your TV has a running banner at the bottom of the screen that explains who the legit and phony news seekers are then you are indeed better informed that me.

Ergo, the fact that Adam "does something" does not by his actions alone vindicate him as a suspect.

Secret Agent Adam's publicity stunt was to lead a smoke in where he encouraged those in attendance to break the law and light up. Those who did were subject to felony arrest and conviction and the forfeiture of their right to own guns, to vote and to hold a US Passport.

Adam wasn't holding and he didn't light up. If he "doesn't smoke" then there was nothing stopping him from possessing a branch of industrial hemp to show solidarity with those he bravely offered to sacrifice to the govt's big life destroying machine. ("Yeah, ya'll jump into the govt's shark pool and I'll be here with the towels when you dry off!")

He'll use this stunt as an excuse to drop his armed march on DC. He knew he'd be subject to arrest when he announced it and now that he knows it's a definite consequence (and he won't have the safety of millions of armed Americans around him-his announcement resulted in people telling him that he's stupid and that they won't be there) and he can't very well lead the march without having guns on him so he has to cancel the march or to be otherwise unavailable to participate.. ("Oh, I don't own any guns or smoke reefer, BUT I'M DEFENDING THE RIGHTS OF GUN OWNERS AND MARIJUANA SMOKERS AT GREAT PERSONAL RISK!" I do like to dance at the Jefferson Memorial, though. Fortunately, that's only a misdemeanor! Whew!)

HAH!

This last stunt was a smokescreen, a chickenshit event to serve as a substitute. He can't admit that he's not really willing to risk prison the way real activists have always done.

That simple fact alone is all anyone needs to know to permanently ignore him.

I wouldn't incite others to break the law unless I was willing to risk the same penalties.

So far he's bravely risked misdemeanor charges in two of his outings. (Opting out of felony charges on the second while actually encouraging everyone else to risk ruining their own lives to further his name recognition. Only a coward of the lowest order would do that to another human being, even those foolish enough to follow him.

Questions of relevance

So once again: Don't all activists and govt shills alike "do something", such as the things Adam did?

Does "doing something" automatically establish credentials in your mind that Adam is a legit activist?

If so then why?

If not then why not?

That leaves the one fact that is unique in all of this: Adam's failure to "light up" or even have contraband in his possession clearly proves that he was not willing to risk the very same peril to which he exposed others.

He in effect said, "Those who have dope should light up and thumb your noses as the govt's laws! Let them know who you are and dare them to arrest you!"

Adam was not holding, and I'm quite certain he could have bummed a tater from someone if he wanted to walk the walk instead of talk the talk.

Question: Why didn't he risk the same life crumbling felony charges that he urged others to risk? Is it possible that he had an agreement with the govt not to arrest anyone but him, since it was really all about providing him with some (plausible in the minds of silly groupies) excuse to cancel the armed march on DC?

If the rising smoke was any indication only a select few actually followed the Judas Goat into the slaughter chute. The ratio of smokers to those who hadn't been suckered by Agent Adam was roughly the same as you'd find in any group of silly people who join cults or follow false prophets into suicide pacts, etc.,.

Judas Goat.

Look it up.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2013-05-25   17:51:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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