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Title: Adam Kokesh of the DC gun protest ARRESTED for resisting arrest.
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Published: May 19, 2013
Author: life
Post Date: 2013-05-19 12:59:15 by titorite
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Views: 4885
Comments: 138

Ive just heard Adam Kokesh, the guy organising this march with loaded guns on washington has been arrested at a pro Cannabis protest in Philledelphia.

He is being held at: FEDERAL DETENTION CENTER 700 ARCH STREET PHILADELPHIA, PA 19106 Phone: 215-521-4000 E-mail address2: PHL/EXECASSISTANT@BOP.GOV

It's important to point out: 1. He was arrested by Federal Agents, not Police. 2. He did not smoke at the event. 3. When arrested, he was merely speaking. 4. He is being charged with "resisting arrest," which happens during the act of arrest, so what was he arrested for in the first place?

A genuine arrest or an excuse by the feds to question him about the upcoming pro gun march?

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This guy again?

He has the smell of Frank Collin (Joseph Cohen) who pretended to fight for the right to march in Skokie, Illinois in the 1970's.

The Feds have been looking for some way to remind Americans that self medicating is a federal crime. And Adam provided that opportunity for them.

And Adam is obviously in the self promotion biz, preferably without sustaining any serious injuries. He's a lot like another ubiquitous, bullhorn wielding activist who often shows up and never accomplishes anything.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2013-05-19   14:10:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

This guy again?

He has the smell of Frank Collin (Joseph Cohen) who pretended to fight for the right to march in Skokie, Illinois in the 1970's.

The Feds have been looking for some way to remind Americans that self medicating is a federal crime. And Adam provided that opportunity for them.

And Adam is obviously in the self promotion biz, preferably without sustaining any serious injuries. He's a lot like another ubiquitous, bullhorn wielding activist who often shows up and never accomplishes anything.

You are absolutely right! Everyone knows that real patriots don't actually DO anything. They just bitch and moan on internet forums.

He's obviously a government plant.

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2013-05-19   17:38:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

You are absolutely right! Everyone knows that real patriots don't actually DO anything. They just bitch and moan on internet forums.

He's obviously a government plant.

Well, if you consider his actions at The Jefferson Memorial laudable and "doing something for America" or anything other than an exercise in self promotion then you may be at risk of falling in with a cult.

And, how convenient that at the exact moment he was urging others to fire up some smoke he refrained from demonstrating the strength of his convictions.

You should stay away from him. You may be trampled if you get between him and a news camera.

I'm sorry if this offends you but you clearly implied that Adam's actions are above reproach then wrapped him in the flag as if everyone should just give him the benefit of any doubt.

But, if I can't trust my own instincts then by what logic should I trust yours?

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2013-05-19   21:08:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Well, if you consider his actions at The Jefferson Memorial laudable and "doing something for America" or anything other than an exercise in self promotion then you may be at risk of falling in with a cult.

I mentioned nothing about his actions at the Jefferson Memorial, nor did the article. That is something you pulled out of your ass. I don't even know what you are talking about nor do I care. I will support anyone willing to march on DC over our second amendment rights. I could care less if he is doing it for self-promotion if it furthers the cause of gun rights.

You should stay away from him. You may be trampled if you get between him and a news camera.

I am no where near him.

I'm sorry if this offends you but you clearly implied that Adam's actions are above reproach then wrapped him in the flag as if everyone should just give him the benefit of any doubt.

I have implied nothing. You read what you wanted to read out of my words. As anyone here can tell you, I don't imply things. If I have something to say then I outright say it, which I did. As for wrapping him in the flag, I consider marching on DC in support of our second amendment rights to be a patriotic act. You consider it to be proof he's a government plant. We'll have to agree to disagree.

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2013-05-24   20:30:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

You seem to be taking my post awfully personally, especially since you didn't start this thread and my post wasn't directed to you or anyone in particular.

And, here's a self improvement tip for you. If you want to do a point by point rebuttal you shouldn't skip over the relevant points and reply to that which requires no response. That only makes you appear angry but too impotent to react.

The fact that Adam is repeating the actions of a govt shill (Frank Collin) is obvious, especially since he suspiciously failed to "light up" as he encouraged others to do. That is pure govt theater as was his arrest.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2013-05-25   11:27:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

You seem to be taking my post awfully personally, especially since you didn't start this thread and my post wasn't directed to you or anyone in particular.

I find it hard to believe that you are saying that your post wasn't directed at me. Not only did you address it to me, you quoted me.

And, here's a self improvement tip for you. If you want to do a point by point rebuttal you shouldn't skip over the relevant points and reply to that which requires no response.

I did not do a point by point rebuttal to your post. I picked what I thought was relative and replied to it. You do not get to choose what is relative to me.

The fact that Adam is repeating the actions of a govt shill (Frank Collin) is obvious, especially since he suspiciously failed to "light up" as he encouraged others to do. That is pure govt theater as was his arrest.

The idea that you have to be a pot head to support drug legalization is ludicrous. I haven't smoked pot or partaken in any illegal drug in 25 or 30 years yet I support legalization of all drugs 100%. If there were a local gathering of this type in my neck of the woods I would go and show my support without "lighting up" as well and would have no problem encouraging those who do partake to smoke 'em if they got 'em. Not because I'm a government plant but because I support their right to do so. The drug war won't be won until there are more people at these gatherings who aren't "lighting up" than there are people who are. From what I've read, Kokesh is a political activist with libertarian leanings, if not an outright libertarian. Why wouldn't he show up and support a mainstream libertarian cause?

If you don't like the guy and think he's a government plant, that's fine by me but I do not find your reasoning convincing.

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2013-05-25   12:31:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Your last rant makes clear to any objective reader that your intent was to rebuke and punish me for daring to write something with which you disagree. And since we were not dialoguing at the time your magnanimous comment, "agree to disagree" was entirely improper. What meaningful points had you written then that I could have possibly disagreed with?

You seem to believe that it's obvious why Adam's agenda can't possibly be suspect, and in the process you've wasted valuable bandwidth that you could have used to explain why his motives should not be questioned. In fact, give us one reason if you can. (You can't)

Here's a point for you to consider. THE FACT THAT SOMEONE "DOES SOMETHING" (legit activists "do something" as do govt shills) proves nothing, which means it was a pointless thing to write. I certainly didn't use that to justify my suspicions of him, and you're obviously not savvy enough to put words in my mouth) IT WAS BEFITTING A SCHOOL KID WITH NO DEBATE SKILLS OR MATURE LOGIC AT HIS DISPOSAL. Please don't write it a third time.

Now, if you like I'll PM all of my future posts on this subject for your approval, and remove anything that you feel I'm not entitled to believe or share.

Would that be okay?

This is a reasonable offer considering you entered the fray despite the fact that no one mentioned or flagged you, then attempted to browbeat me into silence.

Every controversial individual or group (Hal Turner, Scientology, Alex Jones) has groupies and cult followers who defend them, and always with insults intended to deny others the sheer pleasure of having expressed opinions. And sadly, since you offered no meaningful response to my post except for a group of trees in which all activists and shills alike may seek shared cover, that description of shill apologist fits you like a glove.

The meaningless point that anybody who does anything is a govt plant is simply not up to the task of an insightful, witty or disarming response to what I wrote.

There are two reasons for that.

First, if we look at your response another way there is absolute truth in it. And that is this: Every govt plant that does things to get headlines or news coverage does so to further the govt's agenda. Now, if your TV has a running banner at the bottom of the screen that explains who the legit and phony news seekers are then you are indeed better informed that me.

Ergo, the fact that Adam "does something" does not by his actions alone vindicate him as a suspect.

Secret Agent Adam's publicity stunt was to lead a smoke in where he encouraged those in attendance to break the law and light up. Those who did were subject to felony arrest and conviction and the forfeiture of their right to own guns, to vote and to hold a US Passport.

Adam wasn't holding and he didn't light up. If he "doesn't smoke" then there was nothing stopping him from possessing a branch of industrial hemp to show solidarity with those he bravely offered to sacrifice to the govt's big life destroying machine. ("Yeah, ya'll jump into the govt's shark pool and I'll be here with the towels when you dry off!")

He'll use this stunt as an excuse to drop his armed march on DC. He knew he'd be subject to arrest when he announced it and now that he knows it's a definite consequence (and he won't have the safety of millions of armed Americans around him-his announcement resulted in people telling him that he's stupid and that they won't be there) and he can't very well lead the march without having guns on him so he has to cancel the march or to be otherwise unavailable to participate.. ("Oh, I don't own any guns or smoke reefer, BUT I'M DEFENDING THE RIGHTS OF GUN OWNERS AND MARIJUANA SMOKERS AT GREAT PERSONAL RISK!" I do like to dance at the Jefferson Memorial, though. Fortunately, that's only a misdemeanor! Whew!)

HAH!

This last stunt was a smokescreen, a chickenshit event to serve as a substitute. He can't admit that he's not really willing to risk prison the way real activists have always done.

That simple fact alone is all anyone needs to know to permanently ignore him.

I wouldn't incite others to break the law unless I was willing to risk the same penalties.

So far he's bravely risked misdemeanor charges in two of his outings. (Opting out of felony charges on the second while actually encouraging everyone else to risk ruining their own lives to further his name recognition. Only a coward of the lowest order would do that to another human being, even those foolish enough to follow him.

So once again: Don't all activists and govt shills alike "do something", such as the things Adam did?

Does "doing something" automatically establish credentials in your mind that Adam is a legit activist?

If so then why?

If not then why not?

That leaves the one fact that is unique in all of this: Adam's failure to "light up" or even have contraband in his possession clearly proves that he was not willing to risk the very same peril to which he exposed others.

He in effect said, "Those who have dope should light up and thumb your noses as the govt's laws! Let them know who you are and dare them to arrest you!"

Adam was not holding, and I'm quite certain he could have bummed a tater from someone if he wanted to walk the walk instead of talk the talk.

Question: Why didn't he risk the same life crumbling felony charges that he urged others to risk? Is it possible that he had an agreement with the govt not to arrest anyone but him, since it was really all about providing him with some (plausible in the minds of silly groupies) excuse to cancel the armed march on DC?

If the rising smoke was any indication only a select few actually followed the Judas Goat into the slaughter chute. The ratio of smokers to those who hadn't been suckered by Agent Adam was roughly the same as you'd find in any group of silly people who join cults or follow false prophets into suicide pacts, etc.,.

Judas Goat.

Look it up.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2013-05-25   17:51:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Your last rant makes clear to any objective reader that your intent was to rebuke and punish me for daring to write something with which you disagree.

Rebuke and punish? Hardly. It was a sarcastic response to what I considered to be a paranoid rant.

And since we were not dialoguing at the time your magnanimous comment, "agree to disagree" was entirely improper.

There was nothing improper about it. I made my first post to you in post #11. You responded to me in post #75. That began the dialogue. My agree to disagree comment was made in post #120 in response to your post #75. You believe Kokesh is a Frank Collin-type government agent. I did not and do not believe that, therefore, once again, we will have to agree to disagree.

You seem to believe that it's obvious why Adam's agenda can't possibly be suspect, and in the process you've wasted valuable bandwidth that you could have used to explain why his motives should not be questioned. In fact, give us one reason if you can. (You can't)

As I said before to someone else on this thread. You and people like you are why the so-called patriot movement will go absolutely no where. The minute someone does something other than run their mouth, they are accused of being government agents for the simple fact of having done something more than run their mouth. So Kokesh didn't handle the situation like you did. BFD. That doesn't make him a government agent or plant.

And by the way, you didn't question his motives. You outright called him a government agent with zero proof. That is your right, of course, but don't get butt-hurt when others don't buy into your theories.

Here's a point for you to consider. THE FACT THAT SOMEONE "DOES SOMETHING" (legit activists "do something" as do govt shills) proves nothing, which means it was a pointless thing to write. I certainly didn't use that to justify my suspicions of him, and you're obviously not savvy enough to put words in my mouth) IT WAS BEFITTING A SCHOOL KID WITH NO DEBATE SKILLS OR MATURE LOGIC AT HIS DISPOSAL. Please don't write it a third time.

And here's a point for you to consider. THE FACT THAT SOMEONE DOES SOMETHING IN A WAY YOU WOULDN'T DOESN'T MAKE HIM A GOVERNMENT SHILL.

This is a reasonable offer considering you entered the fray despite the fact that no one mentioned or flagged you, then attempted to browbeat me into silence.

My, my, how thin-skinned you are. Someone doesn't buy into your theory and speaks out and you think you are being "browbeat." Ludicrous.

Every controversial individual or group (Hal Turner, Scientology, Alex Jones) has groupies and cult followers who defend them, and always with insults intended to deny others the sheer pleasure of having expressed opinions. And sadly, since you offered no meaningful response to my post except for a group of trees in which all activists and shills alike may seek shared cover, that description of shill apologist fits you like a glove.

Considering I've never even heard of the guy until this thread, you would be hard pressed to call me a groupie or shill apologist. Not buying into your "he's a government agent because he didn't behave the way I think he should have behaved" does not fit the definition of either being a groupie or a shill apologist.

Secret Agent Adam's publicity stunt was to lead a smoke in where he encouraged those in attendance to break the law and light up. Those who did were subject to felony arrest and conviction and the forfeiture of their right to own guns, to vote and to hold a US Passport.

Adam wasn't holding and he didn't light up. If he "doesn't smoke" then there was nothing stopping him from possessing a branch of industrial hemp to show solidarity with those he bravely offered to sacrifice to the govt's big life destroying machine. ("Yeah, ya'll jump into the govt's shark pool and I'll be here with the towels when you dry off!")

I disagree with you that doing this proves anything. Had this rally been in my neck of the woods I would have went to show my support. However, I would not have lit up and I would not have been holding. Just because I support their right to smoke pot doesn't mean I'm willing to go to jail over it nor should I be expected to.

He'll use this stunt as an excuse to drop his armed march on DC. He knew he'd be subject to arrest when he announced it and now that he knows it's a definite consequence (and he won't have the safety of millions of armed Americans around him-his announcement resulted in people telling him that he's stupid and that they won't be there) and he can't very well lead the march without having guns on him so he has to cancel the march or to be otherwise unavailable to participate..

...This last stunt was a smokescreen, a chickenshit event to serve as a substitute. He can't admit that he's not really willing to risk prison the way real activists have always done.

That simple fact alone is all anyone needs to know to permanently ignore him.

That's the first thing you've said on this whole thread that makes sense. You make some good points. After looking at his Wikipedia and looking around the web, I come to a different conclusion about the guy than you do. You see government agent written all over him. I see a guy who is trying to get into politics. I think he wants to be a politician and is trying to dance on both sides of the head of the needle - be controversial in order to gather the votes of both young voters and gun rights activists without getting into any real trouble which night harm his aspirations. I hope we are both wrong and that he will go ahead with the march and that he is not manipulating his supporters in order to further his political aspirations.

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2013-05-25   21:01:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

You outright called him a government agent with zero proof.

When his antics end up as case law that only furthers the govt's agenda, no further proof is needed.

He doesn't even have to be conscious of the damage he does any more than Sirhan or any Manchurian Candidate is aware of their utility.

If he accomplishes anything other than adverse court decisions you be sure to let me know. Okay, Mr. "I'm no groupie" F.A. Hayak Fan?

These clusters of AR15 shootings serve a govt agenda, too, in case you didn't know. How do they program these sickos? I don't know. But it's more than fortuitous that they occurred just as the big push to disarm Americans is peaking in Washington.

And, as far as "people like me" being the reason that the "Patriot Movement" never goes anywhere, where have you been for the past 30 years?

Activist groups realized decades ago that organized resistance is pointless because of infiltrators, agitators and agents provocateur. And, the guy who leads the "movement" to "dance at The Jefferson Memorial" when there is absolutely nothing but publicity to be gained deserves nothing but scorn for his silly and self serving political short game. And those who defend him as if he's the hope for America "but not for me" are just plain stupid.

Now, I've been patient with you because you're obviously not aware of the purpose or desirable consequences of activism. But you have no excuse to hump my leg again unless you're willing to tell us all just what the Hell the idiot you're defending hopes to accomplish.

And, by your own admission you wouldn't have been holding at the reefa rally. Then, pray tell, why are you defending someone who hypocritically urged others to do so? I mean, you can't be that monumentally silly, can you?

"I'll defend Adam until my fingers bleed on 4um. BUT, I won't follow his direction to light up in public. What am I, stupid?"

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2013-05-27   5:36:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Activist groups realized decades ago that organized resistance is pointless because of infiltrators, agitators and agents provocateur.

Pointless my ass.

I disagree. SO very much.

When I tried to organize an anarchist union here I was prepared for fakers.

It is a given.

That does not mean you do not make the effort.

One does not fail to commit heart and soul just because of a little fear about benedict arnold.

"f" that.

Their is nothing illegal about open carry constitutionally.

If we can not open carry in the capitol of our nation then FUCK THIS NATION!!!!!

titorite  posted on  2013-05-27   5:56:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

When I tried to organize an anarchist union here I was prepared for fakers.

You wrote in the past tense.

How's that anarchist union doing, by the way?

And, open carry in eastern cities where sensibilities are offended by the mere presence of firearms will have the same result again and again. As soon as some old pawnbroker clutches his chest and says, "I thought the Nazis were coming for me again!" you'll be convicted of disturbing the peace and resisting arrest if you're lucky, and you'll spend thousands on lawyers who will take your money and make no serious efforts to get your firearm returned.

Every bad gun law we have in The US was passed by bipartisan efforts. You have no political support from either of the ruling dynasties for your efforts. Good luck trying to plow concrete to plant your pro gun crops. If you want to futilely toss yourself into the political gears in the hope of clogging the machine then you should tell prospective members that. You shouldn't sucker people in with the false hope of forming an anarchist union, pro open carry gun movement or anything else unless you subscribe to full disclosure of your lemming tendencies.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2013-05-27   6:08:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

You wrote in the past tense.

How's that anarchist union doing, by the way?

IT was a "never was" sort of thing. I pasted flyers all over town , invited friends, even promoted myself on the radio when and where a dj would let me.

In the end, on that special day only the man showed up.... one under cover parked and watched me for my miserable day of hoisting the black flag all by my lonesome. It sucked. But I was willing then and I am now.

It is a matter of principle.

The law clearly and in no unclear terms says we have the right to bear arms.

Now, if that is a bullshit lie then someone needs to go out there and show the world that it is a bullshit lie.

Principle. The right to bear arms shall not be infringed upon.

I don't think it is unreasonable in any way shape or form.

titorite  posted on  2013-05-27   16:19:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

The law clearly and in no unclear terms says we have the right to bear arms.

Actually, it reads that "Shall not be infringed" (By congress) but at the time of ratification there was no court decision that "required states to guarantee a republican form of govt interpretation" to mean what you believe it now means. And, in fact several states such as NY and NJ don't even attempt to comply and the feds take no action to force their compliance.

If there was an issue that I believed was "settled once and for all", it was the Miranda Warning. But, Bush appointees and a conservo majority have demonstrated that we have no absolute rights that are beyond the govt's ability to deprive us of them.

Also, the concealed weapons laws in effect then were not immediately overturned by ratification.

Why not, I wonder?

As the man said, the constitution either created the present tyrannical govt or failed to prevent it. Either way, the constitution is all but dead and it will do you no good to raise it in your defense, especially in a state court. (Where you may want to use the state constitution instead)

And LOOKY LOOKY HERE AT THE BIG BANNER HEADLINE AT WHAT REALLY HAPPENED.com!

THE US GOVERNMENT AGENDA BEHIND KOKESH'S ARMED MARCHES (AND ALL THE SHILLS PUSHING IT) IS TO CREATE A TINY "REVOLUTION" THAT CAN BE BRUTALLY CRUSHED TO DETER A GENERAL UPRISING BY THE ENTIRE AMERICAN PEOPLE THAT THEY COULD NOT HOPE TO CONTROL.

The only way that we can undermine the potential government propaganda value of Kokesh's stunt is if a million gun-owners and Second Amendment supporters sign this petition to make it clear Adam Kokesh does not speak or act for the majority of American gun owners.

CLICK HERE TO SIGN THE PETITION (You can choose to NOT have your name shown in the signature list!

Also, here are some bumper stickers to print and use.

______________________________________________________

Wow, you two must feel really stoopid by now, huh? Activists that put their money where their mouths are can see right through Adam's Little Kiddie Gun Owners' Theater Show.

No, this country will not be saved by people who think that threatening Natalie Maines with death for speaking heretical views or haranguing their fellow Americans is the way to bring about justice.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2013-05-28   23:29:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

You know what animal I dislike? Parrots.

titorite  posted on  2013-05-29   4:46:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

People who don't like parrots "just ain't right."

James Deffenbach  posted on  2013-05-29   12:08:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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