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Published: May 22, 2013
Author: Christine
Post Date: 2013-05-22 13:39:19 by christine
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As most of you know, I haven't had the time to participate in or monitor 4um as I once did. That's not going to change. I will not be able to read every post every day. Truthfully, when I created this forum, it was never my intention to be a heavy handed administrator and it was always my hope that participants appreciate that, respect it, and, thereby, exercise self control.
For the most part, that has been the case--until lately.
The animosity and incivility and accusations displayed towards one another has become almost intolerable to me. It's caused me to feel ashamed that I am the owner of this forum. I am actually considering pulling the plug as I cannot see any value in letting this continue.
I would like to know your thoughts and opinions. Subscribe to *4um Admin News*
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#24. To: HighLairEon, christine (#20)
Thank you for your eloquence. I can find nothing with which I disagree.
Perseverent Gardener"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
Original_Intent posted on 2013-05-22 17:25:03 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#25. To: Aquila (#16)
Bong? What's a bong? (snicker) ;-)
Perseverent Gardener"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
Original_Intent posted on 2013-05-22 17:27:16 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#26. To: Pinguinite (#22)
The plain truth is that most of us are pretty well set in what we believe, and "discussing" topics on a web forum isn't going to change that.

Maybe for older topics, but not newer ones. At first I was thinking that talk about the Boston bombing using actors faking injuries was crazy talk. Then I saw the evidence and based on that I don't think it is crazy talk at all anymore. It doesn't make much logical sense to use actors there, but then again it doesn't make much logical sense for people to want to rule the world and kill billions in wars either when they already have more money then they could spend in their lifetimes and the highest standard of living possible for any humans on planet Earth maybe ever, but they desire it nevertheless.
God is always good!
RickyJ posted on 2013-05-22 17:43:51 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#27. To: christine, Turtle (#0)
I would very much miss 4um if it was gone.
And I promise to make an effort to not pick on Turtle so much in the future.
It's the bankers fault !
Buzzard posted on 2013-05-22 17:46:43 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#28. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#21)
Yes, most of us miss the Cynicom and wish that he would return to posting here.
We have email communication, but I do miss his thoughts and responses in open 4um.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Lod posted on 2013-05-22 17:53:29 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#29. To: Buzzard, christine, Turtle (#27)
I would very much miss 4um if it was gone.
And I promise to make an effort to not pick on Turtle so much in the future.

I second that!
God is always good!
RickyJ posted on 2013-05-22 18:00:21 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#30. To: Esso (#23)
Sorry about the nomination for ban hammer duty, Loddy. I know that you probably don't want anything to do with that, but that's what makes you a perfect fit. Anybody volunteering for that job has an agenda and should be automatically excluded.

lol - just like politicians, anyone wanting to be one, shouldn't become one.
Thank you for the undeserved compliment, but the beauty of 4 is the lack of the MF mods.
Any site that has mods, has moronic-members.
We are better than that.
We really are.
Let's all of us call out a member who goes over the top against another member, and remind them what we're about here.
To paraphrase Superman, "Truth, Justice, and (what used to be) the American way."
Apologies for the rant.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Lod posted on 2013-05-22 18:02:08 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#31. To: Esso (#23)
"Any poster deliberately posting disinformation on behalf of a foreign government (whether paid or not) to subvert the United States or the Constitution, should be banned without explanation or discussion. There's only one here that I'm aware of."

There are at least two --- one for Israel and one for Mexico.

I don't want them banned though. Some people do more to hurt their cause than to help it. Goldi-lox is a good example.

Big Meanie posted on 2013-05-22 18:10:28 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#32. To: Esso (#23)
Powdered skyscrapers would come in handy while terraforming.
corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - Tacitus
Dakmar posted on 2013-05-22 18:13:45 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#33. To: Dakmar (#32)
Powdered skyscrapers would come in handy while terraforming.

Some damn rain would be good too.
On a long enough timeline the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.
Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)

Esso posted on 2013-05-22 18:16:22 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#34. To: Big Meanie, 4 (#31)
a nice thought for us all, enjoy -

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Lod posted on 2013-05-22 18:16:51 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#35. To: Esso (#33)
Some day a hard rain is gonna fall, washing out all my competitors. That's probably where all those ball-point pens I've paid for wound up too.
corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - Tacitus
Dakmar posted on 2013-05-22 18:22:04 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#36. To: Lod, christine (#34)
I'll see your Joan and raise you a Chrissie (Hynde).

On a long enough timeline the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.
Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)

Esso posted on 2013-05-22 18:24:44 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#37. To: christine (#0)
I come here to get news and data for my sick mind control experiments. Shutting this site down may possibly cause a .0003 rise in global flea and tick populations. What kind of monster wants to spread fleas and ticks?
Come on over back to the good side, Chrissie!
corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - Tacitus
Dakmar posted on 2013-05-22 18:31:40 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#38. To: Esso (#36)
No one sings Dylan like Baez - no one.
End of discussion. ;-)
Baez and Harris have aged so amazingly beautifully, I just can't say.
What amazing angels.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Lod posted on 2013-05-22 18:40:16 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#39. To: Buzzard (#27)
And I promise to make an effort to not pick on Turtle so much in the future.

Turtle is immune to Pickonitis.
"Have Brain, Will Travel
Turtle posted on 2013-05-22 18:42:12 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#40. To: Dakmar, christine, 4 (#37)
Listen, Christine has to go practice and train to become the C&W ballroom dancing queen of the world.
She comes back to her 4um and finds us acting like some 8th grade jerk-offs.
How else do you expect her to react?
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Lod posted on 2013-05-22 18:46:50 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#41. To: Lod (#40)
She comes back to her 4um and finds us acting like some 8th grade jerk-offs.
How else do you expect her to react?

Assured that nothing has changed?
:)
corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - Tacitus
Dakmar posted on 2013-05-22 18:49:22 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#42. To: Pinguinite, Fred Mertz (#22)
It's just not a substitute for having a big reunion somewhere where we all get to see what we all look like, in person, face to face, where most of us would be much more cordial.

I'm there Neil. I need a good party weekend :)
I echo Fred's sentiments at the top of this thread.

Jethro Tull posted on 2013-05-22 18:52:57 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#43. To: Jethro Tull (#42)
Ya gotta get down to check out the schools, etc.
We're waiting with open doors for you and yours!
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Lod posted on 2013-05-22 18:56:21 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#44. To: Lod (#43)
Looks like this coming Fall Jim. The first round is on me.

Jethro Tull posted on 2013-05-22 19:08:23 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#45. To: HighLairEon, christine (#20)
Whatever you do decide, you have the gratitude of all of us who have enjoyed the information exchange and the shelter from the storm of lies, here in the bosom of 4Um-land!
Thank you Christine!

I agree. I have enjoyed the time I have spent reading articles and posting my thoughts here. Would hate to see 4um shut down because of a few disruptors but I thought that was why we had the clown filter. I use it and it seems to have worked pretty well for me.
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.

Paul Craig Roberts
James Deffenbach posted on 2013-05-22 19:23:36 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#46. To: Esso, christine, Original_Intent, Dakmar, Lod, abraxas, farmfriend, James Deffenbach (#36)

“With the exception of Whites, the rule among the peoples of the world, whether residing in their homelands or settled in Western democracies, is ethnocentrism and moral particularism: they stick together and good means what is good for their ethnic group."
-Alex Kurtagic
X-15 posted on 2013-05-22 19:40:59 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#47. To: Jethro Tull (#44)
Tremendous! - keep us posted as things develop.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Lod posted on 2013-05-22 19:40:59 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#48. To: christine (#0)
I have seen 2 good conspiracy forum go to shit.
First one GTTO went the way of the dodo (not extinct yet... soon enough) because it was unmoderated and the owner and acolyte wanted only his own truth to shine out. You posted something that might negate the "truth", it was unwelcome. Other posters might have gotten confused and tough something else. It got to the point that it became an elitist clique that one have to be a member to even read threads. A totally screwed up environment. The only people now posting new threads there are the owner and his acolyte.
Regardless how one decide to view this, the result is the same, the truth is not coming out.

The other one was left to run amok in the name of free speech. Cliques formed over the span of 2 years, chasing everybody with their incessant trolling and incessant personal attacks, conspiracy theories that were posted, ridiculed by the same people who were left to keep the site up and running when the creator and owner left.
The end result, the site is still up and the bullies have won, they successfully have kicked out of their sandbox other members who had something to contribute by either post hunting them or trolling them out of the place. It was supposed to be a replacement to ATS without moderation, it has failed. The original owner does not even want to touch it with a 60 foot pole.

Leave a garden unattended, two things might happen.
1, It dries up, lack of water and becomes a patch of dried cracked earth (In Texas it will.)
2, If you do not weed it, grass, flowers, vegetables... will fight the weeds to get some sunshine, when they don't, they are overpowered withers and die. The weeds need to be pulled out, by the roots.

It would be sad if freedom4um were to go down this way, damn, it would be tragic :o(

Is it safe to assume that some members more than others have felt the lack of sunshine and are being suffocated by weeds?
You cannot ask a lot of people to get along under threat of pulling the plug without being willing to pull the weeds out. To do so is unfair. Might as well ask the flowers to do the job themselves, they are unable to do so, they do not have the means to do so.

If you want to try something new, I know someone who might be willing to code something. It would be a mean for us, posters to self moderate our own threads by post banning disruptors in the thread.
Just a thought.

SilverStorm

SilverStorm posted on 2013-05-22 21:16:55 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#49. To: Pinguinite, Jethro Tull (#22)
The plain truth is that most of us are pretty well set in what we believe, and "discussing" topics on a web forum isn't going to change that.

Amen to that, Neil. I just wanted to say that your forum software and format rock! I just registered on another site, rights-right; theirs is okay but yours is superior and I may be biased by being so used to it over the years. Thanks buddy!
Thanks JT for agreeing with me - for once!

Fred Mertz posted on 2013-05-22 21:22:24 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#50. To: Aquila, Pinguinite (#14)
i don't want to be a fuddy dud, but no joomla or any other canned CMS for that matter. The hackers know those scripts inside and out and know every possible way on earth to exploit the weaknesses.
The nice thing about 4um is that even people that can access the scripts from the inside have trouble figuring out just what the heck it is doing. ;)
Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit, because he doesn't come over your property and break your windows. - Dave Hebel Black Denim Jackets and Vests
Critter posted on 2013-05-22 21:35:01 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#51. To: christine (#0)
I love you baby. That's all that matters. ;) r

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2013-05-22 21:36:21 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#52. To: Buzzard, turtle (#27)
And I promise to make an effort to not pick on Turtle so much in the future.

Why? That's why we let turtle come here... to have someone to pick on.
Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit, because he doesn't come over your property and break your windows. - Dave Hebel Black Denim Jackets and Vests
Critter posted on 2013-05-22 21:37:08 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#53. To: All (#51)
will sunday 26 ever get here ? i'm having doubts now...

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2013-05-22 21:39:04 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#54. To: Lod, Esso (#34)
Sometimes Dylan does Dylan pretty good too:

Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit, because he doesn't come over your property and break your windows. - Dave Hebel Black Denim Jackets and Vests
Critter posted on 2013-05-22 21:43:22 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#55. To: Rotara (#51)
that made my day. lol.

christine posted on 2013-05-22 21:48:40 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#56. To: Pinguinite (#22)
What's the truth, Christine?

what each of us believes it is.;)
thanks for your input, Neil. i appreciate what you wrote very much.

christine posted on 2013-05-22 21:52:01 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#57. To: christine (#56)
I say do nothing, and let God figure it out.
Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit, because he doesn't come over your property and break your windows. - Dave Hebel Black Denim Jackets and Vests
Critter posted on 2013-05-22 21:53:52 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#58. To: Esso (#23)
There's nothing keeping anyone from just walking away. If they're so fucking unhappy with this website, then just leave, anything else is just drama.

really. it's so damn simple.
well said. the whole thing. you are so right about PC.

christine posted on 2013-05-22 21:55:08 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#59. To: Lod (#30)
no apologies! that was beautiful.

christine posted on 2013-05-22 21:57:02 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#60. To: christine, Pinguinite (#56)
What's the truth, Christine?
what each of us believes it is.;)
thanks for your input, Neil. i appreciate what you wrote very much.

"What is true is true for you."
Perseverent Gardener"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
Original_Intent posted on 2013-05-22 21:59:32 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#61. To: Critter (#57)
I say do nothing, and let God figure it out.

that was funny. :P

christine posted on 2013-05-22 22:02:41 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#62. To: SilverStorm (#48)
Christine is NOT going to let this go away.
If she doesn't want to pay the registration fee, I will.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Lod posted on 2013-05-22 22:06:54 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#63. To: Lod (#62)
Christine is NOT going to let this go away.
If she doesn't want to pay the registration fee, I will.

If it truly comes to this Lod, we will help with the costs. I'm sure others will as well.

SilverStorm posted on 2013-05-22 22:49:19 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#64. To: christine (#0)
Eventually, someone will bring pressure to bear on you, and they'll demand email addresses, names, et al.
That is how close the hour is.
Pull the plug if you can't cope. we're all going to be seeing an end to freedom soon, and in all honesty we should be focusing on the issues in the physical world. the cyber world is full of sunshine patriots. The real ones, are done with the virtual.
I don't post much anymore. I don't believe we have much time left.
"Call Me Ishmael" -Ishmael, A character from the book "Moby Dick" 1851. "Call Me Fishmeal" -Osama Bin Laden, A character created by the CIA, and the world's Hide And Seek Champion 2001-2011. -Tommythemadartist
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