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Published: May 22, 2013
Author: Christine
Post Date: 2013-05-22 13:39:19 by christine
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As most of you know, I haven't had the time to participate in or monitor 4um as I once did. That's not going to change. I will not be able to read every post every day. Truthfully, when I created this forum, it was never my intention to be a heavy handed administrator and it was always my hope that participants appreciate that, respect it, and, thereby, exercise self control.
For the most part, that has been the case--until lately.
The animosity and incivility and accusations displayed towards one another has become almost intolerable to me. It's caused me to feel ashamed that I am the owner of this forum. I am actually considering pulling the plug as I cannot see any value in letting this continue.
I would like to know your thoughts and opinions. Subscribe to *4um Admin News*
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#42. To: Pinguinite, Fred Mertz (#22)
It's just not a substitute for having a big reunion somewhere where we all get to see what we all look like, in person, face to face, where most of us would be much more cordial.

I'm there Neil. I need a good party weekend :)
I echo Fred's sentiments at the top of this thread.

Jethro Tull posted on 2013-05-22 18:52:57 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#43. To: Jethro Tull (#42)
Ya gotta get down to check out the schools, etc.
We're waiting with open doors for you and yours!
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Lod posted on 2013-05-22 18:56:21 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#44. To: Lod (#43)
Looks like this coming Fall Jim. The first round is on me.

Jethro Tull posted on 2013-05-22 19:08:23 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#45. To: HighLairEon, christine (#20)
Whatever you do decide, you have the gratitude of all of us who have enjoyed the information exchange and the shelter from the storm of lies, here in the bosom of 4Um-land!
Thank you Christine!

I agree. I have enjoyed the time I have spent reading articles and posting my thoughts here. Would hate to see 4um shut down because of a few disruptors but I thought that was why we had the clown filter. I use it and it seems to have worked pretty well for me.
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.

Paul Craig Roberts
James Deffenbach posted on 2013-05-22 19:23:36 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#46. To: Esso, christine, Original_Intent, Dakmar, Lod, abraxas, farmfriend, James Deffenbach (#36)

“With the exception of Whites, the rule among the peoples of the world, whether residing in their homelands or settled in Western democracies, is ethnocentrism and moral particularism: they stick together and good means what is good for their ethnic group."
-Alex Kurtagic
X-15 posted on 2013-05-22 19:40:59 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#47. To: Jethro Tull (#44)
Tremendous! - keep us posted as things develop.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Lod posted on 2013-05-22 19:40:59 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#48. To: christine (#0)
I have seen 2 good conspiracy forum go to shit.
First one GTTO went the way of the dodo (not extinct yet... soon enough) because it was unmoderated and the owner and acolyte wanted only his own truth to shine out. You posted something that might negate the "truth", it was unwelcome. Other posters might have gotten confused and tough something else. It got to the point that it became an elitist clique that one have to be a member to even read threads. A totally screwed up environment. The only people now posting new threads there are the owner and his acolyte.
Regardless how one decide to view this, the result is the same, the truth is not coming out.

The other one was left to run amok in the name of free speech. Cliques formed over the span of 2 years, chasing everybody with their incessant trolling and incessant personal attacks, conspiracy theories that were posted, ridiculed by the same people who were left to keep the site up and running when the creator and owner left.
The end result, the site is still up and the bullies have won, they successfully have kicked out of their sandbox other members who had something to contribute by either post hunting them or trolling them out of the place. It was supposed to be a replacement to ATS without moderation, it has failed. The original owner does not even want to touch it with a 60 foot pole.

Leave a garden unattended, two things might happen.
1, It dries up, lack of water and becomes a patch of dried cracked earth (In Texas it will.)
2, If you do not weed it, grass, flowers, vegetables... will fight the weeds to get some sunshine, when they don't, they are overpowered withers and die. The weeds need to be pulled out, by the roots.

It would be sad if freedom4um were to go down this way, damn, it would be tragic :o(

Is it safe to assume that some members more than others have felt the lack of sunshine and are being suffocated by weeds?
You cannot ask a lot of people to get along under threat of pulling the plug without being willing to pull the weeds out. To do so is unfair. Might as well ask the flowers to do the job themselves, they are unable to do so, they do not have the means to do so.

If you want to try something new, I know someone who might be willing to code something. It would be a mean for us, posters to self moderate our own threads by post banning disruptors in the thread.
Just a thought.

SilverStorm

SilverStorm posted on 2013-05-22 21:16:55 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#49. To: Pinguinite, Jethro Tull (#22)
The plain truth is that most of us are pretty well set in what we believe, and "discussing" topics on a web forum isn't going to change that.

Amen to that, Neil. I just wanted to say that your forum software and format rock! I just registered on another site, rights-right; theirs is okay but yours is superior and I may be biased by being so used to it over the years. Thanks buddy!
Thanks JT for agreeing with me - for once!

Fred Mertz posted on 2013-05-22 21:22:24 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#50. To: Aquila, Pinguinite (#14)
i don't want to be a fuddy dud, but no joomla or any other canned CMS for that matter. The hackers know those scripts inside and out and know every possible way on earth to exploit the weaknesses.
The nice thing about 4um is that even people that can access the scripts from the inside have trouble figuring out just what the heck it is doing. ;)
Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit, because he doesn't come over your property and break your windows. - Dave Hebel Black Denim Jackets and Vests
Critter posted on 2013-05-22 21:35:01 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#51. To: christine (#0)
I love you baby. That's all that matters. ;) r

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2013-05-22 21:36:21 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#52. To: Buzzard, turtle (#27)
And I promise to make an effort to not pick on Turtle so much in the future.

Why? That's why we let turtle come here... to have someone to pick on.
Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit, because he doesn't come over your property and break your windows. - Dave Hebel Black Denim Jackets and Vests
Critter posted on 2013-05-22 21:37:08 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#53. To: All (#51)
will sunday 26 ever get here ? i'm having doubts now...

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2013-05-22 21:39:04 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#54. To: Lod, Esso (#34)
Sometimes Dylan does Dylan pretty good too:

Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit, because he doesn't come over your property and break your windows. - Dave Hebel Black Denim Jackets and Vests
Critter posted on 2013-05-22 21:43:22 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#55. To: Rotara (#51)
that made my day. lol.

christine posted on 2013-05-22 21:48:40 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#56. To: Pinguinite (#22)
What's the truth, Christine?

what each of us believes it is.;)
thanks for your input, Neil. i appreciate what you wrote very much.

christine posted on 2013-05-22 21:52:01 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#57. To: christine (#56)
I say do nothing, and let God figure it out.
Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit, because he doesn't come over your property and break your windows. - Dave Hebel Black Denim Jackets and Vests
Critter posted on 2013-05-22 21:53:52 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#58. To: Esso (#23)
There's nothing keeping anyone from just walking away. If they're so fucking unhappy with this website, then just leave, anything else is just drama.

really. it's so damn simple.
well said. the whole thing. you are so right about PC.

christine posted on 2013-05-22 21:55:08 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#59. To: Lod (#30)
no apologies! that was beautiful.

christine posted on 2013-05-22 21:57:02 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#60. To: christine, Pinguinite (#56)
What's the truth, Christine?
what each of us believes it is.;)
thanks for your input, Neil. i appreciate what you wrote very much.

"What is true is true for you."
Perseverent Gardener"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
Original_Intent posted on 2013-05-22 21:59:32 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#61. To: Critter (#57)
I say do nothing, and let God figure it out.

that was funny. :P

christine posted on 2013-05-22 22:02:41 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#62. To: SilverStorm (#48)
Christine is NOT going to let this go away.
If she doesn't want to pay the registration fee, I will.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Lod posted on 2013-05-22 22:06:54 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#63. To: Lod (#62)
Christine is NOT going to let this go away.
If she doesn't want to pay the registration fee, I will.

If it truly comes to this Lod, we will help with the costs. I'm sure others will as well.

SilverStorm posted on 2013-05-22 22:49:19 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#64. To: christine (#0)
Eventually, someone will bring pressure to bear on you, and they'll demand email addresses, names, et al.
That is how close the hour is.
Pull the plug if you can't cope. we're all going to be seeing an end to freedom soon, and in all honesty we should be focusing on the issues in the physical world. the cyber world is full of sunshine patriots. The real ones, are done with the virtual.
I don't post much anymore. I don't believe we have much time left.
"Call Me Ishmael" -Ishmael, A character from the book "Moby Dick" 1851. "Call Me Fishmeal" -Osama Bin Laden, A character created by the CIA, and the world's Hide And Seek Champion 2001-2011. -Tommythemadartist
TommyTheMadArtist posted on 2013-05-22 23:07:53 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#65. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#64)
None of us have much time left no matter what the elite do. We are all going to die regardless eventually, I would rather die fighting than cowering in fear.
God is always good!
RickyJ posted on 2013-05-22 23:47:04 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#66. To: christine (#61)
that was funny. :P

Funny, it was meant to be serious, sorta.
When I have problems and can't figure out what to do about them, I just opt to do nothing and let God figure it out for me. He generally does a better job than me. :)
Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit, because he doesn't come over your property and break your windows. - Dave Hebel Black Denim Jackets and Vests
Critter posted on 2013-05-22 23:48:56 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#67. To: christine (#0)
You dont need a moderator. if people dont like the insane dreadful constant bickering between certain posters, just ignore them all. thats what the ignore button is for. problem solved. although i also think that your remarks to the offenders to 'knock it off' help.

Really, there is something wrong with people who get so worked up over their percieved 'enemies' on a silly internet forum. i thought this was a place to read news and share insights.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
Artisan posted on 2013-05-22 23:59:11 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#68. To: TommyTheMadArtist, all (#64)
I don't post much anymore. I don't believe we have much time left.

interesting perspective.

I believe we have plenty of time left and in 10 years the 4um will still be here and so will we., unless people die from illness, accidents, etc.

ive been hearing about this gloom and doom crap for decades and life still goes on everyday. people go to work, date, raise their families, earn their living. this will continue as usual.
when i was a kid my dad told me a good saying., work and plan as if youll live forever, live and pray as if youll die tomorrow. i think that good advice still stands.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
Artisan posted on 2013-05-23 0:04:18 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#69. To: Critter, christine, all (#66)
When I have problems and can't figure out what to do about them, I just opt to do nothing and let God figure it out for me. He generally does a better job than me. :)

Wise and very effective :)
"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow

wudidiz posted on 2013-05-23 0:27:26 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#70. To: Pinguinite (#22)
What's the truth

Truth is reality as proven by various tests and accepted by most. A belief is acceptance without proof in the context of one's experiences. To know is a notch above to believe.
As to Christine's general question members can do much of a mod's work by simply ignoring uncivil behavior, not posting any reply. Some boards deal with bad behavior with "Report Abuse."

Tatarewicz posted on 2013-05-23 0:35:17 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#71. To: Pinguinite (#22)
things like disbanding the EPA and absolutely no business regulation keep TONS of people away

personal integrity is hard to come by sometimes.

It's just not a substitute for having a big reunion somewhere where we all get to see what we all look like, in person, face to face, where most of us would be much more cordial.

maybe but not necessarily.
A study group recently released its findings as to the best presidents of the United States of America.
Obama has been rated as the 4th best president ever:
Reagan and 9 others tied for first, 15 presidents tied for second, 18 tied for third, and Obama came in fourth.
farmfriend posted on 2013-05-23 1:49:11 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#72. To: Tatarewicz (#70)
members can do much of a mod's work by simply ignoring uncivil behavior, not posting any reply

That works.
"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow

wudidiz posted on 2013-05-23 2:00:13 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#73. To: farmfriend (#71) (Edited)
It's just not a substitute for having a big reunion somewhere where we all get to see what we all look like, in person, face to face, where most of us would be much more cordial.
maybe but not necessarily.

Oh, I am almost always a gentleman - in public. ;-)
Although I do subscribe to Oscar Wilde's observation: "A gentleman is never unintentionally rude."
Perseverent Gardener"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
Original_Intent posted on 2013-05-23 2:06:00 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#74. To: christine, Lod, Esso (#61)
I agree with Esso, Lod would make a very good moderator. Sometimes the only solution with a real troll is banning. Sure the bozo filter and ignore thread are great for posters to ignore them, but they don't work for lurkers to ignore them. I think that is the main reason for any trolls here, to keep most lurkers from reading this forum and learning something.
God is always good!
RickyJ posted on 2013-05-23 2:14:08 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#75. To: RickyJ (#74)
Astute observation. I also think that is why 4um does not always show up in Search Engine results.
Perseverent Gardener"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
Original_Intent posted on 2013-05-23 2:18:37 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#76. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#64)
I don't post much anymore. I don't believe we have much time left.

Nor do I. In fact I think this recent rash of shit is just the first phase. The second phase won't be any more pleasant. What wonders we may see by july...
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Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) (It's a more positive message)
titorite posted on 2013-05-23 2:41:59 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#77. To: titorite, TommyTheMadArtist (#76)
I agree that they have gone more uptempo, but I also think that is fear that too many people are beginning to wake up. At this point it still remains a race against time. However, I think that the scales are beginning to shift ever so slightly. We are not out of the woods, but there are a few rays of light. Psychotics are brittle. They will keep coming at you, and coming at you, but a few defeats and they shatter. So, I am very guardedly optimistic that we may yet avoid the fall of darkness.
Perseverent Gardener"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
Original_Intent posted on 2013-05-23 2:51:17 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#78. To: christine (#0)
4um, smorum pull the plug already. All this information just hurts my head. I could use some help up here with the cows, goats, hogs and the dogs. (You might want to leave them cats behind, for their own safety)
On second thought maybe I should sell some of the livestock and become a moderator!!! If you want me to I could moderate the HELL out of these SOB's, by the time I'd get done with'em there'd be nobody left around here.
What's base pay for moderating these days?
“Anti-semitism is a disease–you catch it from Jews”–Edgar J. Steele
“The jew cries out in pain, as he strikes you.”–Polish proverb
“I would like to express my heartfelt apologies for the unfortunate and tasteless quotes I published in my tag lines. I am very sorry and ashamed. I never wanted to offend anyone, or to encroach human rights."- Hmmmmm
Hmmmmm posted on 2013-05-23 2:55:11 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#79. To: RickyJ, christine, Lod, Esso (#74)
I agree with Esso, Lod would make a very good moderator. Sometimes the only solution with a real troll is banning. Sure the bozo filter and ignore thread are great for posters to ignore them, but they don't work for lurkers to ignore them. I think that is the main reason for any trolls here, to keep most lurkers from reading this forum and learning something.

Yeah, yeah, yeah and yeah.
"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow

wudidiz posted on 2013-05-23 2:58:03 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#80. To: RickyJ (#74)
I think that is the main reason for any trolls here, to keep most lurkers from reading this forum and learning something.

As it has always been. Silence those who have inconvenient things to say, and make anyone trying to pull things into perspective appear to be the villain.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2013-05-23 3:08:57 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#81. To: christine (#0)
I'm thinking that this site has a better traffic rank compared to FreeRepublic or Libertypost. You might want also want to read the reviews about those two sites here too. http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/freedom4um.com

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