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Title: Israeli death squads involved in Sandy Hook bloodbath: Intelligence analyst
Source: Press TV
URL Source: http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/1 ... quads-tied-to-newtown-carnage/
Published: May 22, 2013
Author: Gordon Duff
Post Date: 2013-05-22 15:52:26 by X-15
Keywords: None
Views: 933
Comments: 48

Days later, the Sandy Hook Massacre, the iconic slaughter of twenty small children, is now looking like a terrorist attack, not a “murder suicide.” Was “lone gunman” Adam Lanza a “patsy,” the same word Lee Harvey Oswald used to describe himself before being “silenced” in November 1963?

Today, Michael Harris, former Republican candidate for governor of Arizona and GOP campaign finance chairman, in an internationally televised news broadcast, cited “Israeli revenge” in, what he called, “the terrorist attack in Connecticut.”

Harris cited Israeli “rage” against the US and against President Barack Obama. By “Israel,” we mean “Netanyahu.”

The mission was to teach America a lesson, knowing that “America would take the punishment, keep “quiet,” and let a ‘fall guy’ take the blame.”

A “fall guy” is another word for “patsy.”

Harris, citing the flood of inconsistencies in the “cover story,” pointed out the following, “The facts are now becoming obvious. This is another case where Israel has chosen violence and terrorism where their bullying in Washington has failed. Israel believes the US “threw them under the bus,” particularly after the recent Gaza war, allowing Israel to be humiliated in the United Nations. Their response was to stage a terror attack, targeting America in the most hideous and brutal way possible, in fact, an Israeli “signature attack,” one that butchers children, one reminiscent of the attacks that killed so many children in Gaza?”

Washington is terrified of Israel, their powerful lobby and its relationship with organized crime. Now, a key former Senator, Chuck Hagel, who has helped expose this fact, is likely to be nominated as the secretary of defense, despite vocal protests from Israel.

Today, Israeli news gave further credence to Harris’ analysis when they issued the following statements regarding the probable nomination of Hegel:

“Chuck Hagel’s statements and actions regarding Israel have raised serious concerns for many Americans who care about Israel,” said the Republican Jewish Coalition (RJC) Executive Director, Matt Brooks. “The Jewish community and every American who supports a strong US-Israel relationship have cause for alarm if the president taps Hagel for such an important post.”

“The appointment of Chuck Hagel would be a slap in the face for every American who is concerned about the safety of Israel,” he asserted

Citing a 2006 interview with Hegel, the news continued, “The political reality is…that the Jewish lobby intimidates a lot of people up here. I have always argued against some of the dumb things they do because I don’t think it’s in the interest of Israel. I just don’t think it’s smart for Israel.”

Hagel also said he didn’t think he had ever signed one of the letters the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) regularly circulates to demonstrate support for Israel or tough stands against parties such as Iran.

“I didn’t sign the letter because it was a stupid letter…I’m not an Israeli senator, I’m a United States senator.”

During his interview today, Mike Harris explained his rationale for looking to Israel as responsible for Sandy Hook, saying “This is exactly what Israel did in Norway; the political party that voted sanctions against Israel was retaliated against by a “lone gunman” who killed 77 children. This is what Israel always does, they go after the children. It is what they do in Gaza every day. It is what was done in Norway. It is what happened at Sandy Hook. Nobody buys the “lone gunman” story anymore, not with the Gabby Giffords’ shooting, not with the Aurora “Batman” shooting, certainly not with Breveik, and certainly not in Connecticut.”

After Harris’ broadcast, key members of the military and law enforcement community contacted Veterans Today in full support of Harris’ analysis.

One three star general is quoted as saying, “Harris hit the nail right on the head and it is about time someone spoke up.”

As days have passed, key issues involving the Sandy Hook terror attack have been cited as “debunking” the “lone gunman” cover story: From a viral email that is growing every hour with more reasons to doubt the official story: According to the official story, Adam Lanza was found with his older brother’s ID, and it was not stolen. However, older brother Ryan - whom officials say is very cooperative - claims not to have even seen his brother since 2010. Where would Adam get this ID? And why does such use not qualify as a theft?

According to the official story, Adam Lanza was wearing a black outfit with a mask and bulletproof vest. Why would he want to hide his identity, and why would he wear a bulletproof vest if he planned to kill himself?

The medical examiner asserts that all wounds were caused by a rifle or other long weapon, and police/FBI say that the school was littered with 223 (rifle) casings. However, Adam Lanza was found dead at the school with only handguns - a rifle was found in the trunk of his car. Then he could not have possibly been firing the rifle, and could not have committed the murders. Who did then?

According to the official story, the killings was tightly confined to two classrooms. Then why were so many children told to close their eyes while leaving the building?

Joanne Didonato, the principal’s secretary, called in sick on Friday - something she rarely does. So presumably, she must have been awfully ill. Yet she then felt well enough to give an interview. “Of all days,” she said, emphasizing the strange coincidence.

Why were there such persistent reports that Mrs. Lanza was a kindergarten teacher, and that she died at the school when the new official story is that she was not connected to the school and was killed at home?

What happened to the report that Adam Lanza’s girlfriend and another friend were missing in New Jersey?

What happened to the woodsman in a black jacket and camo pants who was arrested and handcuffed outside the school? He actually shouted to parents, “It wasn’t me.” Who was he and what was he doing there?

What happened to the dark van or SUV that the police surrounded in the parking lot or the maroon sedan with a blown-out back window they were on the lookout for?

The official story is that Nancy Lanza was a gun collector, who obeyed the law. But since 20-year-olds are not permitted to buy guns or ammo or carry guns in Connecticut, why would she give her “autistic” son access to both guns and ammo?

A child asserts that he/she heard someone say, “Put your hands up,” followed by the reply, “Don’t shoot.” This indicates that the police took a suspect into custody inside the school. But if that was Adam Lanza, how did he kill himself after that point?

Another child asserts that he/she saw a man pinned down to the ground with handcuffs on. Again, this indicates that the police took a suspect into custody. If that was Adam Lanza, how did he then kill himself?

Is it reasonable for a geeky 20-year-old to carry two pistols and hundreds of rounds of ammunition while wearing a bulletproof vest and a mask?

Did the school have one or more security cameras? What do they show?

Why did a police officer specifically mention on radio that “they’re coming at me through this wood” followed by a fellow officer saying, “This is it”?

One officer at the school said, “We’ve got one suspect down.” Who was that? Down in this situation generally means in custody (on the ground and cuffed) not dead.

Why is Adam Lanza reported to be a loner when a teenager said (oxymoronically), “[Lanza and his friends] always gathered alone in a corner in school”?

Why are Ryan Lanza and his roommates still in custody, and why are the police pretending that it is for their own benefit?

Is it a coincidence that Nancy Lanza’s brother is Kingston Police Officer James Champion, who lives next door to the former Lanza home?

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This is only a small percentage of the irregularities noted in what now seems to be more of a cover-up than investigation.

In truth, the public may well just be sick of hearing stories about “lone gunmen.” Of all possible horrors, this one, even more than the Benghazi killings, is loaded with political implication, not just “gun control,” but a clear attack on the security of every American family.

The simplest thing would be to sit back and accept what we are told without examining who gains, who loses and “why now?”

Is Harris right? Would Israel order the deaths of twenty tiny children to make a political point? Have they done this before?

Is Harris right about that too?

Moments ago, Harris phoned me. I asked him if, hours later, he was still willing to back up his statements.

His answer was simple: “You murder children as part of ‘business as usual,’ you shouldn’t be surprised that when children are murdered, people look to you.”

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#1. To: X-15, 4um (#0)

The correct date for this is: Tue Dec 18, 2012 7:33PM

I thought I'd seen this before.

On a long enough timeline the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.

Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)

Esso  posted on  2013-05-22   16:04:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: X-15 (#0)

I'm gonna have to see some shells on the ground before I believe shots were fired.

Shells on the ground and holes in the walls where the bullets would of gone through.

Children were used but I don't think any were murdered. Forced to lie for the tyranny YES. Murdered no.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=peWjhfrowHY

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titorite  posted on  2013-05-22   16:08:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: X-15 (#0)

Wow!

Is the world waking up to the reality of it all?

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2013-05-22   17:04:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: titorite (#2)

Children were used but I don't think any were murdered. Forced to lie for the tyranny YES. Murdered no.

Can you not see the logical problems with your statement?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-22   17:10:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Lod (#3)

Is the world waking up to the reality of it all?

The World maybe, but not Duhmerkka.

On a long enough timeline the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.

Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)

Esso  posted on  2013-05-22   17:19:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: FormerLurker (#4)

Can you not see the logical problems with your statement?

The tyranny rules through ignorance, deception, mis direction , and opinion control.

I note that you do not touch the physical evidence like my want of shell casings and bullet holes and instead you prefer to rely on the emotional pleas quoting only my bit about the children (wont someone please think about the poor children/sarc).

Also Why even bother addressing me at all former lurker unless it is your sole intent to cause further 4um disruption here by continuing to fuck with me?

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titorite  posted on  2013-05-22   17:19:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: X-15, Lod, RickyJ (#0)

It was most certainly a multiple shooter assassination. WHO carried it out would be just a guess, but it IS certainly possible it was Mossad. They are ruthless killers with no qualms about killing little kids.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-22   17:20:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: titorite, christine (#6)

Also Why even bother addressing me at all former lurker unless it is your sole intent to cause further 4um disruption here by continuing to fuck with me?

Making a polite observation is "fucking with you" now, eh?

I was commenting on how you were boldly asserting that the parents of 20 children FORCED THEM TO LIE FOR TYRANNY. Are you not aware how insane that sounds to a normal person?

Do you think people all of a sudden call each other on the phone and say, "Hey Joe, let's pretend to have our kids killed tomorrow at school, it'll be fun. Let's call the Illuminati and have them set it up for us, and we can get the school staff in on it too".

You don't appear to be able to think through what you claim, yet hurl insults and accusations at people who try to educate you in things you obviously are not thinking through clearly.

YOU sir are helping "the tyranny" by choosing to spread unfounded conjecture which reflects poorly on those who ARE concerned about the inconsistencies with the official story.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-22   17:34:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: X-15 (#0)

Interesting article.

Coming from the Iranian press, it is bound to be somewhat biased tho.

It does however bears Israelis stench with the whole who's sponsored the assault weapon ban that came in the wake of the Sandy event.

Can the school kids be trusted to tell us the truth of what really happened up there?

They were led outside with their eyes closed shut, they did not see anything. Kids being of a natural trusty nature will accept the explanation of grown ups. They will grow up believing the official story.

SilverStorm  posted on  2013-05-22   22:36:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: FormerLurker (#8)

If I may add a comment while the hubby is at work in the hopes of not getting accused of being a sock?

Post hunting is what occurred. Did you really have the need to let him know that he was incorrect in his assessment? Even if the observation was polite, was it really necessary?

Did you need to ping Christine over this?

SilverStorm

SilverStorm  posted on  2013-05-22   22:45:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: FormerLurker, titorite (#8)

Very valid argument.

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2013-05-22   22:48:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: SilverStorm, FormerLurker (#10)

I realize that you are simply standing up for your dearheart, but as long as an observation does not amount to a personal attack it is perfectly valid to register a disagreement with someone's reasoning (regardless of any bad blood that may have previously been exchanged). It is the nature of debate.

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2013-05-22   22:51:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: X-15 (#0)

Assuming the list of inconsistencies to be correct then this pretty well shoots the official cover legend full of holes.

Gee. I'm so surprised.

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2013-05-22   22:54:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: FormerLurker, titorite, Original_Intent (#7)

It was most certainly a multiple shooter assassination.

You don't appear to be able to think through what you claim, yet hurl insults and accusations at people who try to educate you in things you obviously are not thinking through clearly.

YOU sir are helping "the tyranny" by choosing to spread unfounded conjecture which reflects poorly on those who ARE concerned about the inconsistencies with the official story. (I stole that)


"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow

wudidiz  posted on  2013-05-23   0:02:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: X-15 (#0)

This guy, Michael Harris, is no 'intelligence analyst' except in his own pipe dreams. When he ran for Governor of Arizona he lost by a landslide.

This accusation by him is not new and the 'international TV broadcast' which gave him this opportunity was Iranian TV!

heebmagazine.com/accordin...rnatorial-candidate-jews- did-sandy-hook/41423

Otherwise, he's tried to attribute every mass shooting, and not only in the US, to the Israelis, with a total absence of serious evidence.

Shoonra  posted on  2013-05-23   0:31:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: wudidiz (#14)

You don't appear to be able to think through what you claim, yet hurl insults and accusations at people who try to educate you in things you obviously are not thinking through clearly.

Yes that is true of you. If you DID think it through clearly wud you'd realize that.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-23   0:31:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Original_Intent (#11) (Edited)

Very valid argument.

Thanks.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-23   0:34:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Original_Intent (#12)

I realize that you are simply standing up for your dearheart, but as long as an observation does not amount to a personal attack it is perfectly valid to register a disagreement with someone's reasoning (regardless of any bad blood that may have previously been exchanged). It is the nature of debate.

Can you not see the logical problems with your statement?

This was no observation, this was personal. An attack, politely disguised, but an attack none the less and promptly pinged Christine when he got what he wanted, an emotional response.

Major goading.

If you agree with this type of behavior...

I just can't

SilverStorm  posted on  2013-05-23   0:56:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: SilverStorm, Original_Intent, christine (#18)

OMG give it a break. I'll bozo your husband if he'll do the same, but I don't want to hear snide side attacks against me either.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-23   0:59:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: FormerLurker (#19)

Noone should have to bozo anyone. You and Turtle and PSUSA the second and Shoonra and the axis of insanity can have your opinions, but stop with the vile trolling and you'll be fine.


"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow

wudidiz  posted on  2013-05-23   1:10:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Original_Intent (#12) (Edited)

All I said was "Can you not see the logical problems with your statement? "

And that's somehow some evil dastardly thing. Unless I were to say "hey dude that sounds cool, all those kids are lying little bastards and their parents are pure evil", I'd get some sort of similar response back as I did.

Now wifey wants to play the victim as well.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-23   1:11:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: wudidiz (#20)

stop with the vile trolling and you'll be fine.

I don't know what sort of drugs you've done over the past few years wud, but you used to look up to me and repeated my every move practically. It was the Madonna thing wasn't it. That pissed you off and now you're mad, and you've statyed mad ever since.

So now you follow some OTHER screen name and look up to him as if he's spouting the word of Jesus.

It's very clear to me wud that you have an issue or two.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-23   1:14:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: FormerLurker (#22)

It was the Madonna thing wasn't it. That pissed you off and now you're mad, and you've statyed mad ever since.

Get some sleep.


"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow

wudidiz  posted on  2013-05-23   1:15:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: wudidiz, christine (#20)

You and Turtle

Ah, now I know where THAT accusation came from.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-23   1:16:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: FormerLurker (#19)

I'll bozo your husband if he'll do the same, but I don't want to hear snide side attacks against me either.

Pinging the owner of this forum is not a constructive effort.

On this end, I am submitted to read your attacks daily. I could ignore you but I will not do this.

Ignorance is bliss and the opium of the mass.

If you do not wish to read snide side attacks (which were remarks, not attacks...where have read this previously... I ponder) I suggest you let go.

If you cannot stop yourself, what makes you think that I can stop anyone?

For the love of God allmighty, please stop antagonizing Christine.

SilverStorm

The 25 Rules of Disinformation 18. Emotionalize, Antagonize, and Goad Opponents. If you can’t do anything else, chide and taunt your opponents and draw them into emotional responses which will tend to make them look foolish and overly motivated, and generally render their material somewhat less coherent. Not only will you avoid discussing the issues in the first instance, but even if their emotional response addresses the issue, you can further avoid the issues by then focusing on how “sensitive they are to criticism”.

SilverStorm  posted on  2013-05-23   1:22:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: FormerLurker (#24)

You know nothing. You're way too personally involved. It's not about you.

Here, check this out.


"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow

wudidiz  posted on  2013-05-23   1:22:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: SilverStorm (#25)

Do you want to argue the point of what I posted, or do you just wish to make personal remarks and comments?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-23   1:24:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: FormerLurker (#21)

To: Original_Intent

All I said was "Can you not see the logical problems with your statement? "

And that's somehow some evil dastardly thing. Unless I were to say "hey dude that sounds cool, all those kids are lying little bastards and their parents are pure evil", I'd get some sort of similar response back as I did.

Now wifey wants to play the victim as well.

Said what I needed to say.

I refuse to be sucked in a pissing contest.

on this

Laters y'all :o)

The 25 Rules of Disinformation 18. Emotionalize, Antagonize, and Goad Opponents. If you can’t do anything else, chide and taunt your opponents and draw them into emotional responses which will tend to make them look foolish and overly motivated, and generally render their material somewhat less coherent. Not only will you avoid discussing the issues in the first instance, but even if their emotional response addresses the issue, you can further avoid the issues by then focusing on how “sensitive they are to criticism”.

SilverStorm  posted on  2013-05-23   1:25:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: wudidiz (#26)

You know nothing

[link to]

Cold fusion reactor independently verified, has 10,000 times the energy density of gas

What the hell does that have to do with anything that's been said?

And I know NOTHING wud? WTF is that supposed to mean?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-23   1:26:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: SilverStorm (#28)

The 25 Rules of Disinformation 18. Emotionalize, Antagonize, and Goad Opponents. If you can’t do anything else, chide and taunt your opponents and draw them into emotional responses which will tend to make them look foolish and overly motivated, and generally render their material somewhat less coherent. Not only will you avoid discussing the issues in the first instance, but even if their emotional response addresses the issue, you can further avoid the issues by then focusing on how “sensitive they are to criticism”.

Seems like you have it down pretty well. Good job.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-23   1:28:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: SilverStorm, christine (#25)

For the love of God allmighty, please stop antagonizing Christine.

SilverStorm

You and your husband sound remarkably alike.

And Christine is my friend, so don't try to tell me to not speak with her or bring things to her attention.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-23   1:33:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: SilverStorm (#28)

I refuse to be sucked in a pissing contest.

May I validate the rightness in that statement Madame? Tres Bien.

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2013-05-23   2:02:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: FormerLurker (#31) (Edited)

And Christine is my friend

If their is any truth at all to that then you need to start treating your friends a HELL OF LOT BETTER!

My apoligies for addressing you.. just saw that and thought .. what a crock... but no really you say you are her friend.

Stop trying to pit her against her other friends!

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Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) (It's a more positive message)

titorite  posted on  2013-05-23   2:24:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: titorite, christine (#33) (Edited)

If you haven't done so already, check your PM and stop posting to me.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-23   2:26:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: All (#33) (Edited)

I believe I have asked the very same thing ~First!~..... Thats fine.

You leave me alone and I'll leave you alone and we'll leave each other alone and we'll all be very happy campers.

BTW FL... you could not of known I posted unless you did not have me on bozo.

______________________________________

Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) (It's a more positive message)

titorite  posted on  2013-05-23   2:30:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: titorite (#35)

BTW FL... you could not of known I posted unless you did not have me on bozo.

No I was waiting for you. Are you ready now?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-23   3:12:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: titorite, GreyLmist, Silverstorm, Lod, christine, *Lod for Mod* (#35)

Arguing with FL is futile. Let's just not. Not respond or engage. It's too easy and it works. For the sake of keeping that type of discussion unseen by curious eyes. Let's take the high road and simply ignore him. Let's try it for a few days and if he still continues to taunt and goad us, (which we all know he won't if he's ignored) then we can try something different.


"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow

wudidiz  posted on  2013-05-23   3:20:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: wudidiz (#37)

OK

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Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) (It's a more positive message)

titorite  posted on  2013-05-23   3:27:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Lod, wudidiz, 4um (#37)

*Lod for Mod*

You should hire me as your agent. $1,000/month should be sufficient to start.

Be thankful I didn't say anything about you being the next president (Eeeeek! Did I say that out loud?).

*Lodz for Prez* : P

On a long enough timeline the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.

Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)

Esso  posted on  2013-05-23   7:43:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Esso (#39)

As Prez, I'd be alive for maybe two days.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2013-05-23   7:49:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Lod (#40)

You'll need to work fast then, ol' buddy.

Lodz/Chrissy 2016!

On a long enough timeline the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.

Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)

Esso  posted on  2013-05-23   7:53:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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