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London’s false flag even more pathetic than the Boston Bombing

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Woolwich beheading: Security tightened at all London army barracks

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The gruesome scene of a decapitated actor with no police or paramedics at the scene and no blood!!

Note the  offenders are shot by armed police who are in attendance in the background but the murder scene has not been secured!!

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I am sure many of you have woken up to this amazing Shakespearean play that has unfolded in Woolwich, London where all the actors were so bad they would not even qualify for an interview as an extra in some third rate movie!! 

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First we had the overhead helicopter shots taken soon after the incident at the junction of the A205 and the B210 (so called crime scene). The first pictures emerged showing a police tent covering the body of the victim….but wait a minute this tent must have been blown away by the wind to another location…….were the actors involved in this flase flag caught with their trousers down?…….take a look at the original tent location below.

Scene 1

The tent can be seen at the crossroads (upper centre) next to the median strip and not at the scene of the alleged crime which is behind the block of flats!!

Scene 2A close up of this bodged forensic scene

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Suddenly the tent moves (just like Dr. Who’s Tardis) to its next prepared scene with its prepared actors in the street around the corner as shown below

Scene 3

The new forensic tent location – note the conveniently place truck blocking the intersection

Scene 4

Close up of the scene of crime once they managed to get things right LOL!!

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Another shot of the tent as they repositioned it -  otherwise known as sprucing up the scene to make it look good!!

Scene 13

Now you can see the scene taken from the helicopter and compare to the first one above with the tent in the wrong location

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Now let’s look again at those that carried out this alleged terrorist attack:

Scene 6

“Oh My God” we have both just cut off the head of the victim and look not a trace of blood on our clothing and no one at the scene were screaming or running away……………most unusual don’t you think?

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Look at the look alike blood on my hands and not on my coat (after such a vicious attack)…..they flew over the false blood from the Boston Bombing…..looks very impressive don’t you think?

Scene 8eyreinternational.files.w.../scene-8.jpg?w=700&h=393" width="700" height="393">Hey look at the victim without his head and no blood and people simply watching….wouldn’t you be running?

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Lets not look at what people were saying: and the comments by the PM, Police and Whitehall etc:

Victim was wearing a red “Help the Hero’s” T shirt

He was repeatedly stabbed and hacked and his body dragged into the middle of the road

Note….Can you see any red T shirt or blood on the road?

The police commander said he was unable to give any  information about the man that had died ….two men who we believe from earlier reports had been carrying weapons  were shot by police …they have both been sent to separate London hospitals where they are receiving treatment for their injuries…….I can understand that this will cause community concern…..and I would like to reiterate that we are investigating the circumstances of this incident.

Note Obviously he could not say anymore until he had been brainwashed.

Reports say that it was politically motivated

Note: You bet it was but what do they have up their sleeve?

PM

TV interview with British PM – He confirmed that they are considering this as a terrorist incident -He rushed back to London to chair an emergency meeting on the incident

Note: Yes he and his cabal will be conjuring up some thing rather nasty that could well bring in even more “Police State Laws” or even blame it on some group in the Middle East!!

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ITV News has broadcast footage of a man with bloodied hands talking to a camera, following a machete attack in south-east London.

He makes a series of political statements before walking towards a man, who is believed to be a soldier, lying on the street.

One man died and two were injured in the incident in a Woolwich street, which the government is reported to be treating as a terrorist incident.

Note I guess we were all waiting for that word “Terrorist” to spread fear into the hearts of all those who live in the UK!!

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Once again the good old Zionist controlled BBC put their foot in it when they released there coverage of the incident showing again the original scene of the crime before the wind blew it around the corner!!!………..as shown below:

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Gotch you…….did they drag the body around the corner?

BBC stated  a man wearing a Help the Hero’s T Shirt was hit by a car, then attacked and killed with a machete or sword by the cars occupants……so much  vivid violence and yet still no blood at the scene……..why?…….because the actors had not had time to splash it around before the filmed the scene…….it was however added later as the picture below shows………the blood is only on the pavement and not on the road!!……….do you think they attempted to copy the Boston Bombing but somehow did not get it right?

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Blood around the signpost – Tomato Ketchup!!

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Then we had the final nail in the coffin when they pointed a finger at Islamic Terrorists:

BBC said senior Whitehall sources say they are treating  the killing as a serious Islamist  terrorist attack ….  Cobra meetings say there is a strong connection with a terrorist connection.

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scene 11

Then we had the good old BBC make another mistake when the tent was filmed with the truck being very close to the alleged victim…….the actual scene they first released shows the truck being much further away (as per below)…….tut tut Mr.BBC!!!

Scene 3

Finally we have to have an heroic story to add meaning to this terrible false event when a mother of two confronted the killers as shown in the picture and article below……..boy oh boy how much more of this bullshit do we have to take………….its time the New World Order were removed from the face of this planet and put away for life!!

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‘Appalling attack’ in Britain likely terrorist-related: PM

This is the moment a British mother-of-two confronted a man who had allegedly just cut off a soldier’s head in broad daylight, telling him he would ‘lose’ his crusade.

Ingrid Loyau-Kennett jumped off a bus to check a soldier’s pulse, after he was brutally attacked and hacked to death by two men on a busy London street.

Ms Loyau-Kennett then stood up to the man, who was still armed with a large knife, and gave him a piece of her mind.

“Right now it is only you versus many people, you are going to lose, what would you like to do?”, she reportedly told him.

“We want to start a war in London tonight”, the man responded.

The man and his accomplice had allegedly just murdered a serving British soldier in broad daylight without provocation.

Eyewitnesses have said the men launched a ferocious attack on the soldier, hacking at him with machetes.

The men then gloated to onlookers, praising Allah and saying, ‘We swear by almighty Allah we will never stop fighting you’, while still carrying knives in their bloody hands.

British police shot and wounded the men following the attack which Prime Minister David Cameron called “truly shocking”.

In a dramatic move, the government’s emergency response committee was being summoned following the killing which some eyewitness reports suggested was an attempted beheading using machete-like knives.

Some early reports suggested the attack might be Islamist-related, although there was no official confirmation.

The incident took place mid-afternoon in a street around 200 metres from the Royal Artillery Barracks in Woolwich, a district of southeast London.

Police were called at 2:20 pm (1320 GMT) to reports of one man being assaulted by two others.

“A number of weapons were reportedly being used in the attack, and this included reports of a firearm,” said police commander Simon Letchford.

Local police officers, then firearms officers arrived on the scene where they found a man who was later pronounced dead.

“Two men, who we believe from early reports to have been carrying weapons, were shot by police. They were taken to separate London hospitals, they are receiving treatment for their injuries,” Letchford said.

He said there would be a heightened police presence in the area and urged locals to remain calm.

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You can watch this Micky Mouse saga pan out in the following video clips:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9h7NppxbWI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksS8moko5xs" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksS8moko5xs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1sf_XQdGdE

I would like to remind you all that this type of false flag activity appears rather miniscule to the much greater crimes that the New World Order have committed………..a good starter would have to be the introduction of HIV/AIDS into black communities in Africa and their current long term depopulation goals via the UN sponsored Agenda 21.

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So there you have it folks…..if you have finished throwing up……….. yet another classic bodged false flag and maybe after my next article you will better understand how these puppets of the New World Order work!

Peter Eyre – Broadcaster – Investigative Journalist – Middle East Consultant – Political Analysis – 23/5/2013


Poster Comment:

http://www.bestgore.com/beheading/nick-berg-beheading-video-death-conspiracy/ http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/22/world/europe/uk-london-attack/index.html http://www.infowars.com/london-terror-attack-blamed-on-anti-government-sentiment/ http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=154979(17 images)

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#60. To: christine (#57)

Well, it is 2013. Maybe people can be beheaded and/or shot and there's no blood now. It's a new thing. Anyway, how the hell could everybody be in on it? Do you actually think that everyone in the City of London could possibly be in on this conspiracy? Do you think they're all lying? Do you realize how many millions thousands of people would have to be in on it? How preposterous. To even suggest that they would even try that....

Look, often your eyes will fool themselves and it's just not healthy to question everything. Anyway, we don't need to question things anymore. The media does that for us and they have the answers.

Just stop this conspiracy madness. It's really starting to get to me. It's ruining the forum and dividing the movement.

/sarc


"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow

wudidiz  posted on  2013-05-24   12:09:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: wudidiz (#60)

Well, it is 2013. Maybe people can be beheaded and/or shot and there's no blood now. It's a new thing. Anyway, how the hell could everybody be in on it? Do you actually think that everyone in the City of London could possibly be in on this conspiracy? Do you think they're all lying? Do you realize how many millions thousands of people would have to be in on it? How preposterous. To even suggest that they would even try that....

Look, often your eyes will fool themselves and it's just not healthy to question everything. Anyway, we don't need to question things anymore. The media does that for us and they have the answers.

Just stop this conspiracy madness. It's really starting to get to me. It's ruining the forum and dividing the movement.

Good! You found your meds.

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PSUSA2  posted on  2013-05-24   12:13:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: wudidiz (#39)

Didn't know it was him that said that.

I might've paraphrased that just a wee bit. :)

On a long enough timeline the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.

Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)

Esso  posted on  2013-05-24   12:19:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: PSUSA2 (#61)

/sarc

Good! You found your meds.

The sarcasm was before I found my "meds"


"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow

wudidiz  posted on  2013-05-24   12:21:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: christine, Jethro Tull, All (#57)

Here's the truth about the supposed lack of blood: the victim was run over and killed, his heart was no longer pumping blood so his body retained most of his blood as it was being hacked by the islamo-nignogs. It's as simple as that. If he had been alive, yeah, blood would have been spurting all over the pavement.

When I shoot a deer and the bullet passes through (entrance and exit wound) and the deer runs a little ways it looks like somebody took a can of red krylon paint to the woods, it's a bloody trail that a blind man could follow. But, when I field-dress a deer there isn't much blood involved (exit wound or not), I generally get a little blood on my disposable surgical gloves and anything on my wrists washes right off with a little water. It's nearly bloodless considering that I'm basically operating and removing ALL of the internal organs (windpipe/lungs/heart/liver/kidneys/stomach/lower intestine) in order to have a completely empty body cavity. I suppose that I can take pictures next deer season to document the dispersal of blood during death and after death if that's what it takes to dispel the erroneous notion that the British man wasn't killed.

The blood (or lack thereof) matches the manner of death for that White Man.

“With the exception of Whites, the rule among the peoples of the world, whether residing in their homelands or settled in Western democracies, is ethnocentrism and moral particularism: they stick together and good means what is good for their ethnic group."
-Alex Kurtagic

X-15  posted on  2013-05-24   12:23:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: wudidiz (#60)

About the bloodless beheading.

The report goes he was struck by the savages car, then attacked (see what appears to be blood in front of the car, right side) then dragged into the street (a trail of what might also be blood is evident).

Jethro Tull  posted on  2013-05-24   12:23:49 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: X-15 (#64)

Yes, see #65 X-man.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2013-05-24   12:25:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: Jethro Tull (#65) (Edited)

Assuming that the hacking and beheading happened in the street, the blood on the sidewalk came out of the victims nose/mouth/ears as his body shut down. He suffered multiple broken bones and died very quickly, if not instantly.

“With the exception of Whites, the rule among the peoples of the world, whether residing in their homelands or settled in Western democracies, is ethnocentrism and moral particularism: they stick together and good means what is good for their ethnic group."
-Alex Kurtagic

X-15  posted on  2013-05-24   12:27:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: wudidiz (#60)

Well, it is 2013. Maybe people can be beheaded and/or shot and there's no blood now

or have their legs blown off and sat upright in a wheelchair for how many minutes?

no femoral gushing. no carotid artery gushing.

we're seeing medical miracles.

disclaimer: i don't know what happened in either of these two incidents, but there's certainly enough evidence in my mind to consider that there is some staging going on.

christine  posted on  2013-05-24   12:28:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: Jethro Tull (#65)

The report goes he was struck by the savages car, then attacked (see what appears to be blood in front of the car, right side) then dragged into the street (a trail of what might also be blood is evident).

ok. that's plausible.

christine  posted on  2013-05-24   12:30:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: wudidiz, 4 (#63)

The sarcasm was before I found my "meds"

You need to lose them again.

This is just another example of people that have reached a conclusion and only then do they go in search of something that justifies that conclusion.

They get the process reversed.

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PSUSA2  posted on  2013-05-24   12:30:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: X-15 (#67)

Assuming that the hacking and beheading happened in the street, the blood on the sidewalk came out of the victims nose/mouth/ears as his body shut down. He suffered multiple broken bones and died very quickly, if not instantly.

Multiple times more plausible than a staged scene using tree Negros as actors.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2013-05-24   12:34:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: Jethro Tull (#65)

About the bloodless beheading.

The report goes he was struck by the savages car, then attacked (see what appears to be blood in front of the car, right side) then dragged into the street (a trail of what might also be blood is evident).

I see that, thank you.

There's still the problem of no blood on his hands in the original video and blood on his hands in the video shown on tv.

Difficult to ignore that anomaly.

The bit with the lady with the baby stroller walking right by him is a very strong indicator that something is fake about this scene.

Sorry, but I can't imagine people standing around calmly as the crowd was given the alleged circumstances.


"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow

wudidiz  posted on  2013-05-24   12:35:18 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: Jethro Tull (#71)

using tree Negros as actors.

laughing....

christine  posted on  2013-05-24   12:36:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: Jethro Tull (#71)

Multiple times more plausible than a staged scene using tree Negros as actors.

They're good liars and they'll do anything for money.

You're kidding me.


"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow

wudidiz  posted on  2013-05-24   12:36:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: wudidiz (#72)

There's still the problem of no blood on his hands in the original video and blood on his hands in the video shown on tv.

Difficult to ignore that anomaly.

Anomalies are why the Creator made criminal defense attorneys.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2013-05-24   12:44:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: Jethro Tull (#75)

"This incident has all the earmarks of a staged event.
(1) Street blocked off by large vehicles
(2) Passersby completely unconcerned
(3) People walking up to the bloodless beheaded corpse lying in the street and making small talk with the murderers
(4) Murderer's hang around waiting for police
(5) Red hands, no other blood on the murderer
(6) people walking right by the murderer as he talks to the camera, apologizing to women for having to see such a horrific incident
(7) The requisite Allah Akbar
(8)In particular, the lady with the shopping cart. Completely unconcerned with a man wielding a meat cleaver and a headless man lying 30 feet away in the street.
(9) They erect a tent around the headless corpse so that no one can see what they do to remove him from the scene.

No, I'm sorry, this whole thing is not plausible."

youtu.be/xjUgay8rWMM


"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow

wudidiz  posted on  2013-05-24   13:06:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: Jethro Tull, christine, All, *Black Ops - Psyops* (#72)

About the bloodless beheading.

The report goes he was struck by the savages car, then attacked (see what appears to be blood in front of the car, right side) then dragged into the street (a trail of what might also be blood is evident).

If the guy was beheaded by t he car where the pool of blood is and dragged to the road where he was lying, he should be minus a head.

Unfortunately for the offical story spreaders and believers, the guy on the road has a head and the lady is checking his pulse and sitting on the road beside a beheaded guy with his head still on.

Still doesn't make sense.

Of course the part about them tinting his hands red to make it look like there's blood on them should throw up a red flag in the mind of any observer.

Ya'd think.


"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow

wudidiz  posted on  2013-05-24   13:24:07 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: wudidiz (#77)

If the guy was beheaded by t he car where the pool of blood is and dragged to the road where he was lying, he should be minus a head.

And you know the beheading was completed where the pool of (possible) blood is how? For that matter I'm not prepared to call it a beheading - partial or full - w/o more information.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2013-05-24   14:07:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: wudidiz (#76)

"This incident has all the earmarks of a staged event. (1) Street blocked off by large vehicles (2) Passersby completely unconcerned (3) People walking up to the bloodless beheaded corpse lying in the street and making small talk with the murderers (4) Murderer's hang around waiting for police (5) Red hands, no other blood on the murderer (6) people walking right by the murderer as he talks to the camera, apologizing to women for having to see such a horrific incident (7) The requisite Allah Akbar (8)In particular, the lady with the shopping cart. Completely unconcerned with a man wielding a meat cleaver and a headless man lying 30 feet away in the street. (9) They erect a tent around the headless corpse so that no one can see what they do to remove him from the scene.

No, I'm sorry, this whole thing is not plausible."

Been to crime scenes much?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2013-05-24   14:16:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: Jethro Tull (#78)

And you know the beheading was completed where the pool of (possible) blood is how? For that matter I'm not prepared to call it a beheading - partial or full - w/o more information.

Who needs information when you have people here who can just tell you what happened, because well, they say so...


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-24   14:21:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: FormerLurker, PSUSA2, All (#80)

PSUSA2 at Post #70: "This is just another example of people that have reached a conclusion and only then do they go in search of something that justifies that conclusion.

They get the process reversed. "

FL at Post #80: "Who needs information when you have people here who can just tell you what happened, because well, they say so..."

No, this is another example of people getting the process reversed who reach a conclusion as soon as official stories are reported that the only thing objectionable about the renditions is that anyone questions and investigates further.

Cross-referencing statements from a 4um posted article by Paul Craig Roberts:

We have reached the point where evidence is no longer required. The government’s statements suffice. Only conspiracy kooks produce real evidence.

What I have noticed is that whenever a stunning episode occurs, such as 9/11 or the Boston Marathon bombing, most everyone whether on the right or left goes along with the government’s explanation, because they can hook their agenda to the government’s account.

The leftwing likes the official stories of Muslims creating terrorist mayhem in America, because it proves their blowback theory and satisfies them that the dispossessed and oppressed can fight back against imperialism.

The patriotic rightwing likes the official story, because it proves America is attacked for its goodness or because terrorists were allowed in by immigration authorities and nurtured by welfare, or because the government, which can’t do anything right, ignored plentiful warnings.

Whatever the government says, no matter how problematical, the official story gets its traction from its compatibility with existing predispositions and agendas.

In such a country, truth has no relevance. Only agendas are important.

A person can see this everywhere. I could write volumes illustrating how agenda-driven writers across the spectrum will support the most improbable government stories despite the absence of any evidence simply because the government’s line can be used to support their agendas.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-05-24   18:23:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: GreyLmist (#81)

God help us.

______________________________________

Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) (It's a more positive message)

titorite  posted on  2013-05-24   18:31:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: GreyLmist, X-15, Jethro Tull (#81)

No, this is another example of people getting the process reversed who reach a conclusion as soon as official stories are reported that the only thing objectionable about the renditions is that anyone questions and investigates further.

So in other words the analysis by JT and X-15 are mute because they disagree with what you want to hear, or if not that, then what ARE you saying?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-24   18:35:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: GreyLmist (#81)

The leftwing likes the official stories of Muslims creating terrorist mayhem in America, because it proves their blowback theory

This is RPs position.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2013-05-24   18:36:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: GreyLmist (#81)

What I have noticed is that whenever a stunning episode occurs, such as 9/11 or the Boston Marathon bombing, most everyone whether on the right or left goes along with the government’s explanation, because they can hook their agenda to the government’s account.

That is a lie.

It pays to question everything and everyone. Including PCR.

In such a country, truth has no relevance. Only agendas are important.

Everyone has an agenda. Including PCR. There is nothing wrong about having an agenda. YOU have an agenda.

PCR is limiting the choices to believing him or believing the government. That is a false choice. I believe none of them.

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Death to the Draconians!!!

PSUSA2  posted on  2013-05-24   18:51:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: PSUSA2, GreyLmist (#85)

PCR is limiting the choices to believing him or believing the government. That is a false choice. I believe none of them.

Exactly.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-24   18:52:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: Jethro Tull, All (#36)

if this was staged, wouldn't it be made to look as horrific as possible by making it appear a bloody mess? To me the very open conspiracy here, and elsewhere, are the ones whereby the political class, at the behest of the MIC and banksters, wave into country these walking time bombs and then use their deeds for political utility (more war).

I think they're less concerned with how convincing a staging looks than manufacturing emotional triggers for their "Clash of Civilizations" agenda or whatever else they want to have advanced unthinkingly from the aftershocks. People who aren't convinced aren't the audience they're aiming for anyway. The "Asleeples" are who will fight others over the Op production company's storylines. The rest they're probably aiming to taunt with their slapdashery. Likely their objective is to get the scenario(s) premiered on their schedule to rev up tensions, legislation, war, etc., quicker, more than getting their scriptings screened flawlessly for the public.

I also think that the open conspiracy you mentioned only increases the chances the stagers of that setting will then stage something like this using those premises to cause more conflict "believably". It's not a simple matter, imo, of: If Open Conspiracy A is True, then a Covert Conspiracy B with fakery tactics is False. I see it more as: If A is True, then B can also be True and the plausibility is higher that there is deception involved with this horrific display.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-05-24   19:39:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: titorite (#82)

God help us.

Amen.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-05-24   19:40:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: GreyLmist (#81)

We have reached the point where evidence is no longer required. The government’s statements suffice. Only conspiracy kooks produce real evidence.

What I have noticed is that whenever a stunning episode occurs, such as 9/11 or the Boston Marathon bombing, most everyone whether on the right or left goes along with the government’s explanation, because they can hook their agenda to the government’s account.

The leftwing likes the official stories of Muslims creating terrorist mayhem in America, because it proves their blowback theory and satisfies them that the dispossessed and oppressed can fight back against imperialism.

The patriotic rightwing likes the official story, because it proves America is attacked for its goodness or because terrorists were allowed in by immigration authorities and nurtured by welfare, or because the government, which can’t do anything right, ignored plentiful warnings.

Whatever the government says, no matter how problematical, the official story gets its traction from its compatibility with existing predispositions and agendas.

In such a country, truth has no relevance. Only agendas are important.

A person can see this everywhere. I could write volumes illustrating how agenda-driven writers across the spectrum will support the most improbable government stories despite the absence of any evidence simply because the government’s line can be used to support their agendas.

dead on, imo.

christine  posted on  2013-05-24   20:14:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: PSUSA2 (#85)

PCR is limiting the choices to believing him

that's not the impression i get from his words.

christine  posted on  2013-05-24   20:17:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: Jethro Tull (#84)

The leftwing likes the official stories of Muslims creating terrorist mayhem in America, because it proves their blowback theory

This is RPs position.

Yes, blowback is Ron Paul's position. Few politicians will even go on the record that far from the official spin, on the Right or the Left. I don't know why. It's basically the official line for people who don't believe the specious spin that "they hate us for our Freedom".

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-05-24   20:18:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: FormerLurker, PSUSA2, Jethro Tull, X-15 (#83)

So in other words the analysis by JT and X-15 are mute

No, I didn't say that their analysis is mute. There are other analyses to consider as well.

because they disagree with what you want to hear, or if not that, then what ARE you saying?

Post #81: "this is another example of people [like you and PSUSA2] getting the process reversed who reach a conclusion as soon as official stories are reported that the only thing objectionable about the renditions is that anyone questions and investigates further."

See also: Post #87

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-05-24   20:24:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: christine (#90)

We have reached the point where evidence is no longer required. The government’s statements suffice. Only conspiracy kooks produce real evidence.

OK, perhaps PCR isn't a conspiracy kook? Or is he?

Either believe the conspiracy kooks because they are the "only" ones that "produce real evidence", or "The government’s statements suffice".

False choice. I believe neither.

A person can see this everywhere. I could write volumes illustrating how agenda-driven writers across the spectrum will support the most improbable government conspiracy stories despite the absence of any evidence simply because the government’s conspiracy theorists line can be used to support their agendas.

I modified that slightly.

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Death to the Draconians!!!

PSUSA2  posted on  2013-05-24   20:32:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: christine, PSUSA2, FormerLurker (#90) (Edited)

PSUSA2: PCR is limiting the choices to believing him

christine: that's not the impression i get from his words.

I didn't get that impression either.

Edited for poster recognition in the quote section.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-05-24   20:32:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: GreyLmist (#94)

#93

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Death to the Draconians!!!

PSUSA2  posted on  2013-05-24   20:35:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: GreyLmist, PSUSA2, Jethro Tull, X-15, RickyJ, Original_Intent, Lod, christine (#92) (Edited)

Post #81: "this is another example of people [like you and PSUSA2] getting the process reversed who reach a conclusion as soon as official stories are reported that the only thing objectionable about the renditions is that anyone questions and investigates further."

You're lying.

I didn't give my opinion one way or another here other than agree that people are quick to jump the gun and make their proclamations without looking at all the facts.

On other matters such as Sandy Hook, Aurora, 9/11, and so forth, I NEVER believed the "official" story when it first came out or anytime thereafter. With 9/11 I FIRST thought it was controlled demolition when I saw those towers come down, and then KNEW it was most likely an inside job once the government was quick to dismiss the possibility that explosives were used.

So you cut and paste a section from a lengthy editorial and attempt to color myself and others here with the words of an author who was referring to those who believe the official story no matter what.

Well I think there are more than a few people here who know that I am not one of those people who the author was referring to...


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-24   20:37:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: GreyLmist (#87)

I think they're less concerned with how convincing a staging looks than manufacturing emotional triggers for their "Clash of Civilizations" agenda or whatever else they want to have advanced unthinkingly from the aftershocks

Our intentionally failed illegal immigration policy – the mixing of 3rd world people with civilized people – guarantees this Clash of Civilizations you mention. Forced national integration, driven by the erasure of our borders, has injected US and others with an element of people who have no desire to integrate, nor adopt to the cultural norms of the host country. Speaking of 3rd world swill, I have yet to hear a motive for the London crime from those who push forward the Actors Guild Theory. Why would government cobble together a troupe of actors when actual murderous anger exists among many? For an element of people to jump down the rabbit hole of government inspired actors, sans proof, is to diminish any effort to expose the very people we both know are destroying nations.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2013-05-24   20:38:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: FormerLurker (#96)

I didn't give my opinion one way or another here other than agree that people are quick to jump the gun and make their proclamations without looking at all the facts.

Same here.

So you cut and paste a section from a lengthy editorial and attempt to color myself and others here with the words of an author who was referring to those who believe the official story no matter what.

That's it. PCR is no fool. He knows what he's doing. He's lumping those of us that don't automatically believe the alternative media with those that always believe the .gov story.

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Death to the Draconians!!!

PSUSA2  posted on  2013-05-24   20:43:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: christine, Ada (#89)

Pinging a nod to Ada who posted the Paul Craig Roberts article for us.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-05-24   20:43:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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